TROPHY KILL-Dan Zupansky

was being filmed in Winnipeg. The next day, Sidney Tearhus walked into a police station claiming he had awoken from a drunken blackout to discover a man dead in the bathtub, maintaining he had no memory of the killing. Police discover the victim cut into eight pieces, decapitated, disemboweled sawn in half, with all of the internal organs missing and mutilated. Corpse was posed crudely reassembled with Susan Sarandon's gold necklace found

a few feet away from the murder horror spectacle. Through a fateful turn of events, journalist Dan Zupansky has an opportunity to correspond with the killer. He gains his trust and is eventually sent a series of shocking letters and diagrams outlining every graphic and horrific detail of the murder, organ removal, and sex with the corpse. Then contacts authorities and is suddenly thrust into the trial as the prosecution star witness testifying against the killer, desperate to see him

sentenced to life in prison. Prosecutors have the burden to prove Sydney had the necessary intent to kill. If they fail, Sidney walks the streets again discover the incredible rule that Susan Sarandon's stole in jewelry had in the motive for one of the most horrifying murders of all time. Good Evening, this is your host Stanzepanski for the program True Murder, The most Shocking Killers in True crime History, and the

authors that have written about them. Now using this program as an opportunity to promote my upcoming book, my first book. This book is about Trophy Kill, the trial and revelations of a psychopathic killer. Then Shall We Dance Murder? I'm gonna explained and unfold the story to my audience tonight. I have seen over the past programs that there have

been some telephone callers. I don't want to be ignorant or anything, but let's wait till about half an hour thirty five minutes, wait till we have this story unfold. Gather your thoughts and your questions, and I would be more than happy believe me to answer any one of your questions. But please sit back and listen to this incredible story. I'm sure that you haven't heard this story. If you have heard something about this story, wait to

hear all the details. Now. This story starts in Winnipeg, and Winnipeg is in the province of Manitoba in Canada, near North Dakota, South Dakota, near that border. Those listeners in the United States, now Winnipeg, Manitoba. This is July one, two thousand and three, and the Miramax movie Shall We Dance starring Jennifer Lopez, Susan Sarandon and Richard Gear was

in Winnipeg. July first, happens to be our Canada Day, the American equivalent of July fourth, And a man named Robin Robert Green, Junior was in Winnipeg and he was visiting from a reserve, a Native reserve called Shoal Lake, Ontario. And this is about a couple hours drive east of Winnipeg, just the other side of the Manitoba border. And for those of you don't know, Winnipeg is about seven hundred thousand people, about the size of Seattle, Washington or Seattle

pardon me. And Seattle, however, is much bigger, as are many American cities in their metropolitan area the suburbs, whereas we certainly we have people going out to the suburbs and building and living out in the suburbs. But we have about seven hundred thousand people in our city primarily primarily now. Anyway, this gentleman, Robert Green, was a thirty eight year old Aboriginal man and he wanted to visit Winnipeg.

He wanted to visit Winnipeg for the Canada Day festivities and also to visit his sister, apparently now Susan Sarandon. On July first, her and her assistant were in a trailer and they had just changed some clothes after having filmed some scenes in the movie. And Susan Sarandon had been in Winnipeg for almost two weeks. She's finding the city very enjoyable. She had frequented some restaurants, shopped in some boutiques, and he had even gone to a baseball game.

Now Susan on this July first, And the gold necklace, by the way, is she wears this necklace in the movie. It's a gold necklace. It looks like an older necklace. There have been various reports that this is costume jewelry. However, it's very expensive jewelry. They listed the price at about four thousand dollars. Now, she removed her earrings, her engraved silver bracelet, and her antique looking at least gold necklace with pennant and as system was there, and they put

there away and they left the trailer. Now back to Robin Green. He was out near the area and he came upon a bunch of people assembled behind a barricade. And what he came upon was the movie set. They were doing some outdoor shots and there were a bunch of fans looking celebrity watching, trying to get a glimpse of Richard Gear or Susan Sarandon. Jennifer Lopez was the star of the movie. However, Jennifer Lopez wasn't in the city as of yet. She was not to arrive in

Winnipeg un till about the fourth of July. Anyway, Robin Robin Green, Robert pardon me, Robin Robert Green hung around for a little while with the group that had assembled around this barricade, trying to get a glimpse along the stars. They didn't. Nobody got the spot anybody. And so he walked north of about two blocks or so, two or three blocks, and lo and behold, the actors' trailers were

set up. And for some reason, and we'll get into this a little bit later, the security wasn't there, and security never spotted him, and he went into probably the biggest and best looking trailer, looked around and quickly found the jewelry and headed towards Main Street. Half an hour or so later, and cause the movie set was set up by the Legislative building on what's the Cinnaboine Avenue,

and he wasn't maybe fifteen minutes. He was near the forks, and he was maybe fifteen minutes away from his destination. And so he went north, headed to Main Street and went into an old established bar called Woodbine Hotel. And according to and a lot of this story really is from the killer him self. But needless to say, Robin Green went from table to table trying to sell Susan Sarandon's gold necklace, one of the pieces of jewelry he had stolen, and for fifteen dollars. And Sidney teerhust was

sitting in the Woodbine. Woodbine is one of these bars. It opens at nine thirty in the morning. It's put it nicely. It's a hardcore bar. It's a decent looking place, but you know it caters to a pretty dedicated drinking audience, hence the hardcore. So Robin Green was trying to sell this gold necklace for fifteen dollars. Sidney tier Hughes was approached by Robin Green. They got to talking. Sidney tier

Hues is a self avowed bisexual. Robin Green and Sidney Teerhues agreed to go back to Sydney's hotel which is about block away called the Royal Albert Hotel, and he had rented this room. He had been in Winnipeg for about three weeks. He had lived out in Vancouver for quite a while and Edmonton as well. He worked as a chef. Sidney Tierhus was an Aboriginal as well, thirty

three years old. However, he had been adopted by a white family, a Dutch family in Winnipeg and taken from a small reserve, Little Grand Rapids in Northern Manitoba when he was just a small child and adopted into the white family and raised by this family. Adopted and raised by this family in Winnipeg. Then he'd moved out to the West Coast, became a chef and spent about ten years out there. So anyway, Robin Green, Sidney tire Husse go back to the hotel. They have some homosexual sex,

some oral sex. They drink some alcohol. That was the premise that Sydney had invited him back to the room for some drinks. July first, This was a really hot day, exceptionally hot day. It was very nice, sunny, a out of cloud in the sky, warm day, very warm day. And this is an old hotel building about nineteen thirteen with no air conditioning, so it's quite hot. Anyway, they

stayed in the room for a little while. They took some photos and Robin Green had brought taken out the gold necklace and put it around Sydney's neck apparently, and they admired it. Sydney realized that it was definitely a woman's necklace. Anyway, they decided they should go for a walk, pick up some beer, go outside sit by the river. So they eventually walked and made their way back to a Cineboine Avenue, and for those listening, a Cinneboyne Avenue

was where the Shall We Dance? Movie was set up. It was further down from the park that they ended up being at spending a few hours in the afternoon. Whoever, was just down the street from the Shall We Dance? Movie set outdoor location and all the hullabou hullabaloo were involved with that, and all the fans vying to see their star celebrities that they were interested in seeing, and the police were there and of course security. He's a

big celebrity. So anyway, they stayed at the park for a little while and then they came back and they talked to the bartender. It was one of the only witnesses at the trial that actually spoke to them, and apparently Robin Green was staggering, drunk, very intoxicated. Robin, pardon me, Sydney seemed to be fairly normal. They bid their goodbyes to the bartenders. Sydney wanted to go downstairs and get

some ice. He asked the bartender to watch him for a second, he introduced him, they went upstairs, and the story ends for the time being. Now the next morning, July second, Now I'm skipping ahead a little bit, of course, once the jewelry is stolen, Susan Surrandon and her assistant notice that the jeury is stolen and of course call police. So police are called to the Shall We Dance movie set on July first, concerning the theft of some jewelry.

And on July second, around nine thirty am, Sidney tierheues, thinking that he is walking into a police station, actually goes into a remand center, which is a holding center basically a jail, a little bit different than a police station. This is where somebody would go in to visit somebody that was in custody awaiting trial. So he walked in and asked to see someone, and he said, what's about, Well,

I just want to talk to someone. Seemed to be very very calm, cool and collect no signs of anything amiss. Asked to see someone. A senior officer named Donald Steenson came out from the back and said, what's this about. They went into a back room and he said, yes, can I help you? And he said, well, I just came in because I've killed someone. And he said, oh wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, hang on, don't tell me this. I'm not the kind of guy you should be telling this to.

You just totally caught him off guard because this is not, you know, this is definitely not something that he would expect, being that it's a Remann center and not a police station. Certainly even a police station. This is not this is completely out of the ordinary. Anyway, he walked in, he said, you know, I would like to speak to someone, and guard came out from the back, Donald Steveson, like I said, and he said, can I help you? And he said, matter of factly, I found a body chopped up in

my bathtub. I've turned myself in because I've killed somebody. And this is really With.

I killed someone yesterday. She asked, how'd you do it. I chopped up the guy. I blacked out. When I woke up, I found the body in the bathtub. So she asked what type of weapon he did He did you use to kill the victim? Says? I used the knife? Where's his knife now? I left it on the floor of the bathroom. Where did this occur? The Royal Albert Arms Hotel, Room three O nine. And where are you now? The remand center, She said, sir, police officers are on

their way now. Two police officers come, Officer August Marin and her his partner, Sylvia Schroeder, And he'd been a cop for about eight years, she'd been a cop about four years. And they walked into the facility, saw Sydney sitting on a small couch close to the entrance, and asked him to displain his story. So, besides what the two officers had already been informed of by the nine one one operators of Banski, Sydney told them that he

had met the victim. They'd gone to his room for drinks and this seemed odd to me, consensual sex and eventually had passed out intoxicated. When he woke, he went to the washroom and in the bathtub was a dismembered body. Now, I never gave any more details to these officers, and the three of them proceeded to the Royal Albert Arms Hotel in Sydney's room. So the hotel was not very far and they arrived during a few minutes. This is,

I say, an older hotel built in nineteen thirteen. Now it's a sort of a mainstay for punkin hardcore metal bands to play in the bar in the basement caters to it's a low income clientele in the hotel itself, and so maybe get the picture. Another cop joined them at the hotel and the three officers in Sydney that they went through the front entrance, past the barroom, up

the elevator into the third floor. Now they asked him for the key and he had it to him, and Officer Maren opened the door and walked in first and his partner, Officer Schroder followed, and Constable Beach he remained in the hallway with Sydney. Now it was an incredibly small room and it was beer bottles all over the place and a bunch of pairs of blood stained underwear. Now, female Officer Schroder found a bed sheet on the floor covered in blood, and the mattress had several seemed seemingly

deep knife cuts and was soaked with blood. Now there was blood splattered all over the wall by the bed and the wall leading to the washroom. Now Maren quickly completed looking about this little room, like I say, and proceeded to the washroom. When he pushed open the door, he froze in the antique cloth foot backhub Robin Green was displayed lying on his back facing the doorway. He

had been dismembered and posed crudely reassembled. The decapitated head with long, straight, coarse black hair, sat atop the neck and torso. One of the eyeballs was gone and the other punctured. The mouth was frozen wide open. Now the body was sawn in half at the waist. The severed forearms were positioned close to the elbows, as well as the severed legs, which had been cut cleanly surgically just

below the knees. Now the penis and testicles again were surgically removed together and placed where they would be normal. The chest had dozens of steep stab wooms, and it was carved in a figure eight pattern. Right nipple was cut off, and the right forearm and the hand were partially dissected. Now at the same time, simultaneously he's seeing all of this. There was one huge cut from the neck clear to the waist, and the chest and abdominal

cavity were completely empty. Flash hung from the two rib cages. The skin's color was gray. All of the internal organs, the intestines, everything that normally would have been in a body was gone. There was no blood inside the cavity or on any of the body parts. Now, this officer maren. He stood there for about two or three minutes. He couldn't move. He stood there, trends fixed. He couldn't move or say anything. His mind could simply not process what

he was witnessing. Despite the fact he had grown up in rough and tumble Winnipeg, despite his extensive police training in almost eight years working the streets of Winnipeg, and this is a murder capital of Canada many years running. Despite having been told by Sidney that there would be a chopped up body in the bathtub, the scene, this scene was overwhelming. This big, strong, tough and trained veteran officer found himself short of breath, tight chest sweating, shaking,

and needing to vomit. The sight and smell of the rotting corpse, surrounded by a horde of flies, began to finally snap him back to reality. Initial shock turned to cold, hard recognition, and then finally revulsion. He finally stumbled out of the washroom to the main room and then out quickly into the hallway. He tried his best to compose himself, steadying himself in the doorway, trying to catch his breath,

and finally told Officer Beach cougham and he did. Referring referring to the washroom, he told his partner, don't go inside there, you really don't need to see that. And Officer Maren locked the door and gave the key to Officer Beach so he could remain keeping the room secure. Now, the two officers Maren and Schroeder walked to the elevator and traveled downstairs to the lobby and then outside to the police car. Now, Officer Schroeder placed Sidney in the backseat,

and then she was concerned. She asked her partner you okay, and the guy was shaking, and the officer wiped his tears from his face and replied no, I'm not not after seeing something like that. So the three of them she had called headquarters report the murder and asked if you wanted to contact the laure and said he did. The coroner's van pulled up, then the Crown Victoria police car showed up. Shortly after that, four crime technicians, a coroner and the two cops center the hotel, went to

room three o nine. There had been a crowd started to gather almost immediately outside the hotel. CTV News showed up shortly after that, and a couple of the other news agencies, and it's almost like with the news agencies came all the curious onlookers. Someone who was even heard asking if the scene was being filmed. There's so many movies in Winnipeg. They thought it was being part of a movie. Now Sydney here who sent handcuffed in the police card. Nobody even noticed this guy, who's there for

about ten minutes or so. Three of them then proceeded to the Public Safety building. The crime scene investigators searching the room, however, had discovered Susan Sarandon stole in gold necklace. In the midst of this whole murder horror spectacle. Now, how I came to this story and my involvement is a central feature of this book. When I first became involved with this, I'll give you a little bit of the background. But when I first heard about this, I

had arrived back in Winnipeg. I'm originally from thunder Bay, Ontario, about five hundred miles away from Winnipeg East and anyway, I arrived back on the fourth of July after spending Canada Day and thunder Bay, and I saw the Winnipeg Sun newspaper with the headline victim cut in pieces, stole in film, jewelry and bizarre tale of murder. And in the subsequent days I saw the murder dismemberment story make

the front pages. And then on July twelfth, Sidney Tierhues again on the front page, this time with his smiling in the headline I Am not a monster, and inside there's another caption, I'm not Jeffrey Dahmer. And the headline in the paper on page three was Royal Albert hell a Qu's killer has no recall of grizzly events. Now I read the story about the gruesome murder and the statements made by Tearhuse and saying he had passed out

and he had no memory of the killing. I was doing a radio show since two thousand, called Off the Cuff, and I had the freedom to be able to interview anybody about anything I wanted. I was sort of an open format I came up with. It was a one hour weekly program live, and so I could handle some controversial topics. About a couple of years in and I had been in Winnipeg only both at that time, about six or eight years. But I was very dismayed by the kind of stuff I was reading in the newspapers.

Some of the most bizarre crimes in Canada are occurring right in Winnipeg. Like I say, it's the murder capital of Canada many years running by far, and so there are some serious problems here and we won't go into that, but suffice to say it is the murder capital anyway. I had been involved because I had read about a group a gentleman who had lost his son to another person, and he was dutifully outraged with the Canadian laws and

the leniency and seemingly the coddling of criminals. It's incredible compared if you looked at other jurisdictions like the US. It's night and day. Apparently we have the same basic judicial system, but you wouldn't know it anyway. He formed a group called People for Justice, and basically what we were talking about was dealing with the serious crime the rape murder, you know, official pedophiles, certified pedophiles, the most serious crime, violent criminals, So we're talking about the most

heinous criminals, most serious criminals. And then critical of some of the things like concurrent sentences. Instead of a consecutive sentence, say for three murders, you would get a twenty five year sentence, possibly for three for each murder, which would enable you'd have seventy five years. So in effect, you can't get a you will never be able to be released on parole, even if anyone wanted to let you out. In this country we have we don't have that. We

call it concurrent sentencing. So three murders counts the same as one. That's just one of the myriad of problems that we have that the group was critical of. And again some of the leniency and some of the just a completely different system. And so I was a very vocal critic and was involved with People for Justice as

a chairman of Media and Policy Affairs. And when I saw this story, it looked like an incredible example again of a guy that does jack the ripper, and beyond the removal of all the organs and then you know, the police never found them ever, so they were missing. Now the body was posed reassembled like some kind of well, it's hard to describe. It's a scarecrow. I mean it's definitely for a fact. Now the jewelry is not too far away, it's not hidden, it's it was not too

far away from the entire crimes is right there. And he walks into a police station and says nonchalantly, Hey, you know, I you know, I killed someone, but hey, I was drunk. I passed out. When I woke up, I saw the crime scene. I can't remember anything now. For again, for people that are listening, you're going, yeah, but still it's an open and shutcase. Not in Canada. As soon as alcohol is involved, it diminishes the responsibility

of the person. And many many times, and it's under many circumstances, somebody who has voluntarily consumed alcohol will have that as more than a mitigating circumstance. It lessens the murder charge from second degree murder to manslaughter. Now manslaughter allows for a life sentence. However, what's called precedent, and it's a precedent where the courts say they have to follow this ever increasing precedent of leniency they come up with.

If it was ten years for one person, ten years for another person similar circumstances, it just seems that the sentences always get less and less, So maybe manslaughter will be ten years. In Canada. After two thirds of that sentence, you're released mandatorily unless there is some major problem. There is the ability for parole at one sixth of your sentence, or certainly one third of your sentence, but at two

thirds six years out of a ten year sentence. And then we just went through something where we were talking about two for one credit. Every time spent in pre trial custody would count for twice in Canada up to three to five years for a trial. In this case,

over five years, that would count as double. Lots of people walk out after their pre trial custody time served under this manslaughter anyway, I wanted to go into that dry stuff so that you have sort of a background of what's going on, even Canadians aren't very sure of this, but definitely Americans I think will be surprised.

from originally from thunder Bay called me one day. The crime happened in July, and this was say November, early November. This person had been incarcerated for what a what ended up being charges that were dismissed. Anyway, he was in jail for a fairly short period of time and he asked me called if he could correspond with me. He was, I guess nobody wants to be inside jail. Whatsoever. I knew him, I thought there was no harm in letting

him call me from jail. In a couple months, he called me and asked me if I could guess who was in the same cell block as he was, And lo and behold it was Sidney Tearhuse, Jack the Ripper and beyond. Now I had my radio show, this weekly show with again the open format, and with my background with People for Justice, and I am a vocal critic. I saw this is an opportunity. I asked him if he wanted to be in my radio program. Let me

preface this as well. Immediately after he was arrested, and this is very unusual compared to most people, they were advised immediately not to speak to the media. This person felt it necessary to grant interviews like I had mentioned, I'm not Jeffrey Dahmer. I can't recall anything. It seemed to me that this person was at least psychopathic in terms of or narcissistic, whatever you want to call it, in terms of he was seeking attention, he was willing

to talk. He enjoyed the focus on him. That's what I could deduce instantly. So when my friend associate or acquaintance, what you want to call him. When this acquaintance said to me, a guess who's in the cell block, I immediately said, see if he wants to be interviewed. So apparently he said while at some point he would Now I'm molled this over in my mind for a few days and said, you know, I've been doing radio for a while, but I'd really like to write a book.

And this issue, I think, this example of this court case, and I didn't know what to expect whatsoever. I knew what his crime was. I knew that he was claiming he had no memory. I intuitively, or in my mind, thought it was a very interesting story. So in a few days I asked my friend Don to ask Sidney if he was interested in writing a book. I said, I was interested in his trial and in his story. He got back to me sort of a day later

or so and said, yes, he'd be interested. Now I asked this gentleman to request to share a cell, if you can believe this, share a celt with this guy Sydney, so that they could he could build a rapport with him, befriend him, and then begin the process of chronicling his whole life as part of any true crime book. It's certainly not the most interesting aspect of this story for me, but why might as well get the story of his

wife from him? And we'll go into why that was necessary to do that, why I think it's better, and again why it was just totally necessary anyway, So they start beginning with chronicling his life. Soon after, Sydney asked me if I'd like to come and visit him in jail at the remand Center. I said sure. I went to visit him. It was an interesting interview. He told me a lot of things that I thought. I thought

it was very open for the very first time. But the main purpose of this was to begin a rapport to show him, how you know, serious I was about this book. Agreement to write this and also to you know, basically have an interview with him. I thought, if I had, the more interviews I have with him, the more I can get on his personality, take a get a good

read on this person. And at that first visit, however, he's told me that likely they could be listening to the phone calls because you talk through telephones through the plexiglass in this caged visiting area at this Reman center. So I certainly he said to me that they likely could listen and would likely listen to conversations on the telephone. So he said, for any confidential information, be much better, much better to be written in a letter, to communicate

it in a letter. Now, once upon a time in correctional centers, I have researched this. Once a time, in correctional centers and penitentiaries, all mail was read for anything that could be a miss escape plans, or anything just communicating with the wrong people there. It was fairly strict rules. I was surprised that he felt confident that he could write me things in letters confidential information. Again, at this time, I did not know how much much information I could

get from this killer. However, the conversation I did have with the eventual cellmate, Don, who spent almost two months in the same cell as this guy in two separate times, building a rapport, building a trust, telling this person that I was the journalist that would be able to tell his story, to convey his story in its entirety. Now, Sidney then begins a correspondence with me in letters, and instead of Don writing this, Sydney writes it in his

own words. He's very articulate. He's also very a legible writer, printer. Lots of the stuff is printed, and he is expressive writer as well. And I guess he has you know, he saw this as a project where we would write the book together about his crimes, about the trial, about his life, and so that's what we started. And I started the correspondence in February or March of two thousand

and four. Meanwhile, this murder occurred July first. He went to police July second, two thousand and three, so it's not that many months after Don Abbott is released. After a few months his charges dismissed, he needed a place to stay. I had a home with a couple extra bedrooms. I invitems to move in, tried to question him about Tearhus anything about him, He might have said four sentences. He wanted to go to work and forget that he lived with the guy. He was with the guy. That's

about all I could get out of him. I really didn't. Don Abbott was really a conduit and then facilitated the meeting between Tearhus and me and we went together to write this book and work together now for months and months. It was his whole life, his life in Vancouver, his adventures, and many of these. Of course, these killers are sexual addicts. These people, sex and murder are mixed together, so anyway, the usually these people have a high sex drive. And

at least this is what this guy boasted about. Incredible sexual adventures of this guy, men, women anywhere anyhow, and anything goes. So he's into Stinem and all kinds of things. So I had to put up with reading that material and acting like none of this stuff shocked me, And

well that wasn't so shocking. I'm really more shocked by murder, dismemberment and everything that else had happened, and what I eventually found out anyway, in this one in subsequent months around October or so, and I asked him for everything I asked him, what was your conversations with your lawyer? And what I did feed upon was that he had an animosity towards this hiatrist, he had animosity towards the

judicial system. He had animosity towards his lawyer, the psychiatrist society, and maybe he felt that was an ally and was going to be helpful or I'm not sure exactly. Like I said, I think he's articulate and intelligent, but I didn't say he wasn't foolish and deluded, you know, so anyway, needless to say, in October he starts sending me. He sent me letters that were much more graphic, much more detailed,

incredibly disturbing, and he sent diagrams. And by the time January will pardon me, February or so, I had received one hundred and ninety pages of letters, thirteen I think or fifteen diagrams, many of those the murdered diagrams. Incredible, graphic, horrific.

Some people talk about no remorse. This person reveled, reveled, and the thing that I found out in that amount of amount of time as well in acrophilia, and again reveling in the fact, very articulate about the dismemberment again, enjoying the killing, gotting, butchering, defiling, dismembering, displaying this person as a human trophy, as he called him a piece

of meat. Now, one of the issues was that the Manitoba government, you know, behind so many other states and so many other provinces, was enacting a not no Profit from of the Profits from Criminal Nordoriety Act, basically not enabling killers, criminals to profit from the notoriety of their crime, and they were drafting legislation. This is at the exact same time that I was corresponding with me in March two thousand and four. Now I knew, I absolutely knew.

It was certain that the law would be passed. It isn't raised to not be passed. It's an easy political thing to get through. Everybody's going to agree with it, and it was a victim's father who was pushing it. So it's good political stuff, it's good fodder, and it makes political points and people don't do much. So there was a talk of this legislation, So I knew that. Now, my sin with some people is that I offered this killer thirty percent of the profits. It was legal. I

knew the law was going to be passed. And when the law had passed, I told the killer, hey, listen, did you hear about the law? He said, no, hung up on me. Correspondence ended, and then I went to police. I went to police with everything I had, and I became the star witness. Slated to go to trial in two thousand and six. There's a preliminary hearing. Not much happens. They just need a small burden of proof to be

able to take it to trial. I was the star witness. Now, I'll tell you the book features transcripts from the trial. You don't always get that, and these transcripts are incredible. That's why they're included. Almost not completely, but there's a

great amount of transcript trial transcript because this trial is incredible. Now, what's also included are the actual about thirty five pages of the most horrifying, shocking, disturbing, at the same time enlightening every talked about inside the criminal mind, inside the

psychopathic mind, inside the serial killer. Now, this person fits the serial killer profile perfectly, and that profile says that you could not be capable of this crime at this time, that this is the last murder, not the first murder, not the last murder, not the first murder, the last murder. Now, if you look for murders that are similar to this, you won't find them. So I'm not doing this trying to sell books. When you read this book, you will have read the words of one of the most heinous,

horrific and shocking killers the world has ever known. And I kid you not. If I kid you not. The diagrams, the words, the actual details, every graphic detail reveling in this Why is that import And it's not gratuitous because all this was deemed admissible as crucial evidence in this trial just to prove he had the necessary intent to kill. Unbelievably, the onus, the burden of proof was on the Crown attorney to prove that he had the necessary intent to kill. Now,

how are they going to do that? They had to discredit me convinced the jury threw me again that those letters were fictional and that they were actually cumulative, that he took the stories of Jeffrey Dahmer, Dennis Nilsen, the British Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy, and he put the stories of those three serial killers together and created what his lawyer called fiction that he sent to me

in those letters. The jury didn't believe it. Even though his second degree murder, they gave him twenty five years before par eligibility. So what the harshest sentence you can get in Canadian law. So the jury believed the killer's own words. The lawyer is defended more killers than anyone else in the English speaking world. Fact, he's almost at seven hundred murder cases, and almost all of those are paid by the Canadian taxpayer. We don't have lawyers assigned

to killers. They get to pick whoever they want, and we pay for it, and they defend these killers they offer. You're a very aggressive defense. Anyway, it's trophy kill the shall we Dance murder? I reveal in the book what Susan Sarandon's jewelry was in regards to the motive for this murder. You're going to have to read the book to find that out. It's you won't believe, he won't believe it's role, but you get inside one of the most shocking killers in true crime history? Is he a

serial killer? Read the book and you tell me. Let's see if we have any callers. And if we do, then we will see if we can connect them here and see if they've got any questions. Hello color, Well, I guess we don't. Okay, we don't have any colors. There we go anyway. This book, this started in two thousand and three. The trial was in two thousand and eight, December one to the nineteenth. It was three weeks. I was on the stand testifying for a full day. Again,

that was the defense lawyer's job to discredit me. The he was not successful. Whatsoever you will read in this book, it's that what we watch on TV and what we enjoy in fiction is just that. And it's very slick. When you watch Law and Order. Every single word is purposeful. Every single thing seemed strategic. It's very methodical. While you'll see how this isn't you'll see how inaccurate this is some of it. They're not even keeping track of factual information.

They're confused. They're making points that are seem to be ridiculous. There'd be no purpose to making that, to make any serious points. There seem to be a lot of unnecessary questioning of some of the witnesses in such a seemingly to most people open and shot case. This person should never get out of a mental institution, or he should never get out of a jail. But that's the way some people look at it. However, this person's psychopathic. They're

not insane, they just have no conscience. They're narcissistic. Again, I don't really like to term so much, but its psychopathic encompasses all of it. A psychopathic killer, a killer with no conscience, a killer that wants to be famous, a killer who has serial killers as his role models. Instead of giving validity, which the jury didn't, and the judge to some validity to the notion that he took three serial killer stories and put them together, except he

talks about the motive. He talks about the time of death. He talks about the actual dismemberment and defiling of this person as it is corroborated by the pathologist and other forensic evidence. These letters that he sent me were the crucial evidence used to prosecute him successfully and sentence him to report in the paper had never happened before. He got the equivalent of a first degree murder. In Canada, everybody gets a parole hearing. There is something called a

dangerous offender. There were multiple sexual convictions that could be deemed a dangerous offender. It's very hard to get that designation, and very few criminals actually get that, despite numerous violent convictions violent crime convictions. The thing is is that if you read this book, I don't care where you are, you're going to get a really good journey into fear.

On my part as well, because I thought that there was a really good chance, because there usually is, there is a very good possibility this person kind of got manslaughter. It could have been dependent on me something I did or didn't do, or didn't do right. There was so much trepidation that I had that And the trial was delayed for two and a half years because he challenged the jury composition. He said, well, I want a jury

of my peers. I'm Aboriginal, and you know, he killed an Aboriginal man who actually lived as an Aboriginal on a reserve as opposed to he didn't, and he won an Aboriginal tribunal. And of course his lawyer said, yes, with this may change the way we select juries. However, a jury of your peers, if you look up the definition of peer does not mean you are entitled to a jury of natives or a jury of women. If

you're women, or a jury of basketball players. If you're a black basketball player, peers only mean people of similar situation and circumstance in the community. That's all. So then I looked into well, well has this ever happened before? Well, sure, the judge that presided over it, his father presided over the same type of jury challenge, and there was six

or seven other ones similar that were dismissed. You know, there's no belt tightening in the Canadian judicial system, and the rights that are afforded the most serious criminals are incredible, and I understand the reason for it. But we have a situation in Canada where the outrage is slowly simmering.

We have about one tenth the murder rate that the US has, but cities like Winnipeg and Edmonton we can compete, and some of the crimes and some of the convictions that the people would be undoubtedly convicted of murder in the US are convicted of manslaughter and are out in

a few years. We're talking about gang members, We're talking about serious people represented vehemently, a vehement defense by a taxpayer paid state lawyer, a provincial lawyer, a lawyer working for the government, paid by the taxpayer in a judicial system made of other lawyers. A district attorney crown attorney is called in Canada prosecuting these kinds of cases, but

manslaughter is always there. Instead of first degree murder being a fairly easy thing to achieve, it's fairly difficult second degree murder. We have so many differences in Canada. If three people go to a are intending to rob someone, and one person goes in the house and kill someone, those other people are not accessories to that murder. I just did a program last week. Carla Malca Paul Bernardo, Carla hamalka sexual assault of her sister as a wedding

present to her husband. He gave her virginal sister and then was involved with three other pardon me, two other murders, rape and murders and then one other rape sexual assault. She is out after twelve years on flea bargain depicted as a battered woman Battered women syndrome. Unbelievable anyway, that's a trophy kill The Shall We Dance Murder? The Trial and Revelations of a Psychopathic Killer, and I vow this is the most shocking book you'll ever dare to read. Now,

next week we have Catherine Casey. She's written a book called Descent into Hell, true story of an altar boy, a cheerleader, and a twisted Texas murder. According to legendary true crime author Anne Rule, she is called Catherine Casey one of the best true crime writers today, So that's a good endorsement. Following week, we have someone called an

author named Mara Martingale with her true crime bestseller Cannibal Killers. Now, this includes the worst, the world's most evil psychopaths Jeffrey Dahmer, including Ed Gaine and Andre Chikatillo from the Siviet Union, I believe, and this is an incredible book as well, And she writes it from a psychological perspective, yet it's not dry. It's just a fascinating book. And that's why it's been a bestseller in true crime categories in bookstores

for years and years. Now, on March third, after Maura Martingale, we're really ramping it up. In March, we have Philip Carlo. Now, this is a really going to be amazing that I got this person on to talk about his book, The Nightstalker. This guy went right inside and talked to Richard Ramier The Life and Crimes of Richard Ramirez new exclusive Death Row interview. He conducted one hell of an interview with Rameirez and it's going to be one hell of a

show and so don't miss that. That's coming up on March third. After that, we have I might have the order change a little bit. We have an author named Stevie Cameron. This woman is a highly respected author and investigative journalist. He's written books about corrupt politicians, including Canada's own Prime Minister. And his book was called On the Take. And this person is fearless and she felt compelled to

cover the story of the Picton trial. Robert Willie Picton, one of the most notorious serial killers in the world and one of the strangest stories. If you haven't heard the story, go to a crime library for just a taste of it and then join me for this great author talking about incredible book, The Picton Files. Now, this pig farmer from British Columbia outside Vancouver. True craft fans

probably heard about this. DNA connected this guy to twenty six women at least found partially or completely on his farm that he owned with his brother. So that's another story. But suspected of at least fifty murders. Incredible case. Lots of publication, bands and secrecy, and you know the controversy over the cops not doing anything this guy. Apparently people have suspected this guy for years and years. Incredible, So

join me for that. The picton files of Stevie Cameron. Now, after that, we're going to have likely Sue Russell if she's not busy. She wrote the book Lethal Intent, story of Aileen Warnos, the notorious female hitchhiker serial killer, and Warnos was played by Charlie's Theerron in the Academy Academy Award winning Monster Movie. Now Terry Sullivan is another guest. It's going to be coming on. He wrote a fantastic

book called Killer Clown. He's the district attorney that investigated and helped prosecute or did prosecute John Wayne Gacy, one of the most infamous and notorious serial killers ever. After that, we have Burrel Bear with his incredible book called Body Account. He's considered one of the very best investigative true crime authors, second only to one of my favorites, the late great Jack Olson. After that, we have Caitlin Ruther. These are

all Pinnacle authors. If you haven't, if you haven't read some stuff from Pinnacle, it is right up there with Saint Martins Press. I actually think that Pinnacle is one of the best imprints ever from Kensington Press, the great authors, great stories. It's a great, great publishing company. Anyway, Caitlyn Ruther with her incredible book called Body Parts, and then after that we have Linda Rosenkrantz with her book called Ripper. So we've got stuff and a bunch of other people

coming on board after that. Though, I just wanted to thank you very much for listening to this program if you did enjoy it. Also, I wanted you to go for more information about this book if you're interested, and details of when exactly it's going to come out, and information how you can get your ebook right from my website. Go to trophy Kill dot tv Trophy Kill one word

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