THE "SUPREME GENTLEMAN" KILLER-Brian Whitney

He spent years trying to be cool so women would like him. Aught if he just wore expensive and fashionable clothing, had a better car, or if he were rich, then women would throw themselves at him. In fact, he thought himself to be the supreme gentleman, yet women paid no attention to him. His only conclusion was that they were genetically flawed, and because of this they ignored him and threw themselves at men who were ignorant savage brutes. In his mind, his lack of success with women had ruined

his life. He started to psychologically deteriorate. Roger decided to get revenge. He spent months planning his day of retribution and act where he would kill as many attractive women and the type of men that were drawn to they were drawn to as he could in a savage attack. Then he acted on his plan, killing six people and wounding numerous others in what became known as the Isla Vista Massacre. The story does not end with Roger, however,

as numerous other inceels have since committed copycat attacks. The Supreme Gentleman Killer by Brian Whitney is the story of Elliott Roger in how he turned from a nice, quiet, polite young man to the first self identified in cell involuntarily celibate killer. The book that we're featuring this evening is The Supreme Gentleman Killer, The Story of an INCEL mass murderer, with my special guest, journalist and author Brian Whitney. Welcome back to the program. Brian Whitney, Hey.

so I so I sat down and wrote it. And also he Elliott wrote a manifesto called My Twisted World, which you know, gives access to a lot of his thoughts about why and how he did what he did. So the whole thing has this always been very interesting to me.

father could advance his career and film. He's a very shy, very very kid, and he was always sort of obsessed with status and wealth and things of that nature, even when he was very young. And his time went on, I could, I could talk for about ten minutes on his piece, but I'm sure you'll have a follow up, Preston. But his time went on, he became more and more lost in a world where he felt that he didn't have any status, whether it be even in elementary school,

he felt that way any social status. Junior high school that increased, high school that increased even more. Women weren't interested in him. Girls weren't interested in him. And he was a very lonely, shy kid who kind of went off into fantasy a lot.

Tell us about something that some things about the private schools that he attended, and why.

who was a very attractive woman, an actress. Elliott he always was closer to his mom and his dad, so then he started going back and forth between two houses. His father lived in a bunch of different areas of California, but they were all very upper class areas, you know, with the swimming pool and the balconies and so on

and so forth. His mom lived in an apartment at one point, and Ellie was very upset by that, you know, that he had to live in a you know, what he considered to be like a poor environment, which his mother definitely was not poor, but in his mind she was so, and that definitely had had a lot to do with that. He also though thought his father, because his father almost immediately married, He thought his father was very powerful because he could attract such an attractive woman

so soon. So, you know, he and he did go to a lot of different private schools as he was growing up, which each school he hated more than the last one. His parents would remove him from one school and then put him in another school. He would just, in his words, he would be paralyzed with fear at school and he wouldn't dare to talk to anybody. But at the same point, this is what makes him really interesting. At the same point, even as he was paralyzed by fear,

wouldn't there to talk to anybody. He always thought that he was better and he couldn't understand why these women weren't attracted these girls weren't attracted to him. He couldn't understand why they were attracted to these jocks, these guys that he thought were brutish sort of slobs. So it just became this rather unique thing with him where he did have all these privileges and he had you know, he was a decent looking guy, and he had a lot of money and had good clothes.

Where does how does he develop these ideas of weakness and power? How does he come to that at such an early age? Where does that come from?

She would try to force him to go outside and play with other kids in the neighborhood, and Elliott just didn't want to do that. And occasionally, one time they made him to go to Morocco in the summer with her, which meant he couldn't play World of Warcraft at all, and he thought of Morocco as like a third World country.

And and so there were a lot of issues with with Elliott and his stepmother because she did end up marrying Peter's father, And there were also a lot of issues with him why he didn't understand why he is

Peter's son. Was was you know, forced to be secondary to this, to this woman in his life and that definitely he definitely And he also it should be said that at this point, when he was young, they also did bring him to psychiatrists and he had some diagnoses that he was on the autism spectrum, but it never was really that clear how far they went with that, and in fact, his father, Peter was sort of like, I don't think he really is autistic. He thought he

was as shy. His mother definitely thought he was autistic. And there were differing viewpoints from psychiatrists at that time, so they were aware that there were some issues and they were trying to get him help, but no one ever was aware even slightly of how deeply he was going astray. When he was young, right now.

to make himself taller. He tried to play basketball to make himself taller because he as a young child, he thought that that would make him tall as opposed to the tall people played basketball. He became obsessed at one point with skateboarding because he thought if he could skateboard, he'd be cool, and he dyed his hair blonde. This is when he's like in sixth or seventh grade. He dyed his hair blonde, and he's like, Oh, if I learned to skateboard and my hair is blonde, then I'll

be like everyone will think I'm cool. But then other kids were better at him in skateboarding, so he just quit skateboarding. So this is kind of a theme throughout his life. This these inferior things, but he considered himself

completely intellectually superior to just about everybody. The title of the book, The Supreme Gentleman, is sort of a theme throughout his life because in his writings he constantly refers to himself as him being a gentleman of class and tastes, and these other men that are boys, that women or girls are attracted to are slobs inferior to him, and he's very confused as to why these these young women or girls. I keep mixing that term up because this goes all the way from me. He's like, you know,

twelve until sure, until the end of his life. So so that's the that's the part of it. So in some ways he feels incredibly inferior, but in other ways he feels that the he's vastly superior, and you can't understand why young women are attracted to young men that have different qualities than he has. And he gets very, very angry about this. It's not like the kind of thing where he's sitting around ruminating on this. I mean, he's he is very very angry about it.

he would get extremely upset by it. At one point, he was at a cyber cafe where people could get on computers and he saw somebody else looking at porn and he upset to the point that in the cyber cafe, for example, he saw the person looking at porn and he got so freaked out that he left and he cried all the way home after seeing this image of pornography and his masturbation. He was very All he would ever think about was him, you know, having sex, and

it was always a beautiful blonde girl. One of the most interesting things about Elliott and I could say this later, but since this just came up, he never thought about himself being with a girl or a woman that was that was anything but the perfect looking woman. So it wasn't a situation where he was like if an average looking girl in high school approached him, he probably would have totally blown them off because in his mind he was destined to be with a beautiful blonde woman, or

if he wasn't, was ruined. It was pretty much those two absolutes.

whether they'd be male or female. As far as male friends, there were a few times he basically didn't have any when he was really young, and there were a few times that he had these little groups of friends that he'd play play World of Warcraft the way they go

to the cyber cafe. But then even then he would find out sometimes I could be playing World of Warcraft and with these three other kids, and and'd find out they were all in the same round, you know, at some other house playing where they didn't invite him to come. He had one good friend for quite a while named James that he sort of connected with around World of Warcraft and would get together with on occasions. That friendship

ended because of Elliott's behavior later in life. And it was the same sort of thing with guys who'd get really angry if say, he had a friend, even when he was thirteen or fourteen, and a friend had had a girlfriend. Elliott would get really really mad, really mad just that the person actually had a girlfriend, and would often end up getting in a fight, not a physical fight, but a verbal fight with that friend about that fact.

stepmother began to fight more and more. His father, in his mind, completely took and and again, as I'm saying this, most of this information I'm I'm getting from police reports and the background information that has been in investigations, and

also Elliott's own thoughts. So these are Elliott's thoughts about his relationship with his with his parents, that his father took took some a aside all the time, that you know, and and over as time went on, their relationship became more and more fractured, uh, because of as I've said before, that he felt that Peter always took her side and never his, So they became less and less close as time went on.

join a guild, which is kind of a group. You do things together in the guild, and it's kind of endless. You can just keep playing and playing and there's always something else to do. You can lose, you can lose hours, you can lose days, you know, in a game like this. So for Elliott is as it is for a lot of people, games of that nature just ways for them to get out of their reality and do something that they that they feel, you know, that they that they kind of fit in with and that they don't have

the pressures of day to day life. So he at a lot of points in his life. For for years, like it was all he wanted to do. Like he didn't want to I mean, he wanted to have a girlfriend, he wanted to have friends, but all basically all he really did was just play World of Warcraft for quite a while and and was just lost in it. And and it eventually it lost its luster and he he got tired of you not, but for years it was it was his thing.

a joke with and communicate with. But as it became more popular, he started to hate the game more and more because because there would be more and more quote unquote normal people on the game that would make jokes about virgins or the people that play the game have no life, and since Elliott was a virgin, and Elliott considered himself to not have a life, he he started

to get very angry and eventually quit. He also didn't like the fact that he played so much similar to like the sports thing he played so much, but he still wasn't all that great. There was still like if you if you play a game like World of Warcraft, there's there's a lot of competition as far as like you know, who's the best and who's the best healer, who's the best tank or whatever, and he wasn't that great.

So even that, like he started to get angry that you put so much time in and he still wasn't one of the best at it, so he eventually quit.

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Like they'd go out for a birthday party or something, and his father would would be with Samaia. And he had a sister, but he barely talks about his sister. He also had a younger brother, but quite a bit younger, so at this point his brother adn't even born yet, so you know, and he would be his birthday and his father would be very pleased and proud of being nice to him, and Ellie would actually get mad at his father because how could his father be acting like

everything's okay when he's so miserable. But at the same point, all he would do is tell his father that everything's okay. So there was that kind of relationship. I wouldn't even say it was a bad relationship per se. It was just it was just a false relationship because neither one of them had any idea, you know, if the other one was really what was really thinking. At any point, there was no real communication going on between Elliott and anybody in his life.

would get incredibly angry. Sometimes he would cry it was that, you know, it was that extreme, And yes he did. He This is another one of the things about him that's it's confusing as well as interesting. He would he would look down on if there was a guy there

was for example, this is his term. But if his guy that was Mexican and he would that had an attractive girlfriend or would have sex with somebody el, he would get really not you know, he would be like, how can this obnoxious, low class Mexican I'm paraphrasing that. This is pretty much it, you know, have an attractive girlfriend. When he didn't, he would get so incredibly mad. So it wasn't just as you say. He would be mad at the beautiful young woman. He would be mad at

the jockel when he was dating. But then he would also be mad if someone he considered lesser than him, ended up with a good looking girlfriend or had sex.

and he's a you know, he's a weird guy. So I can even imagine the way he would even be looking at women, and then he would see an attractive woman and he would he would look at them, and then you know, they they would just keep walking and then he would get really angry. And as time went on he started to do really bizarre things. Were occasionally a drive past. For example, he would drive past two young women and one time he would smile smile at

them from his car. They ignored him, so he turned around and would like splashes, he'd pull up and throw his coffee on their pants and then and then drive away. Just a very very maladaptive way of thinking that you know that you would possibly meet somebody. And then he also was completely obsessed, even at a young age, was that if he was really rich, then woman would want him.

So that was another thing. He always wanted his mother to marry a rich guy, or his father to make more money, or his father's movies to be more successful, because if that happened, then in his mind he was guaranteed to have that beautiful blonde woman that he always.

Tell us about this college that and the idea of college and where he is at in terms of this mindset with there is some optimism at some point he'll give it a try, tell us about what college represented to him, and tell us a little bit about this college.

a sense. And then his parents took him up to dinner, his mother, not Semaia, but his actual mother and his father, and they were like, you know, we really think she could go to school, and he tried to go to He went to one school called Pearce, which was a community college, and dropped out right away for the same reasons. He would see an attractive woman with a guy and it'd get really mad and he would just leave. He drop his class because he couldn't even handle being the

class with him, and so on and so forth. So he decided to go to Santa Barbara College and his parents paid for that. They set him up and they gave him spending money. In his mind, it was in I live east of California, which is a party town.

It's known as a party town. Elliot had seen a movie called Alpha Dog when he was in high school that was set there, and he had it in his mind that if he went to this school, no one was going to know who he was because he was just in his mind again, he was a shy, little loser. He always called himself a little mouse. He was like this worthless little mouse that everybody picked on and everyone ignored.

And now he was going to go to college as a clean slate, and everything was going to be going to be great, and there'd be literally no way that he couldn't, you know, start having sex all the time and getting laid and his dreams would come to fruition. Basically, so his parents and his father brought him there. He had a room where he had his own room, and he had roommates, but he had his own room and

the other two I had to share another room. And in his mind, like when he first got there, he was nervous as hell, obviously, but he was still very excited for his life to change.

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everyone that he was the supreme gentleman. Tell us what happens at college with these roommates. The first roommates, he has temporary roommates because they put they enroll them in the school in the dorms in June or July, I belief, But he's not scheduled for school till September, so there's temporary roommates. Tell us about the experiences he has with these roommates.

friends with these roommates. He'd never been around people. For the most part, he just wanted to like have it be okay. So initially there were some that were kind of okay, but that was only lasted for a few weeks, as you said, because it was all pre before school

even started. Then he got in with some roommates that that he considered to be low class, didn't like them, and almost immediately his roommates had a friend over and the friend was talking about like you know, women and so on and so forth, and for some reason it came up whether or not Elliott was a virgin or He asked the roommate if they've all had sex, and

they all said yes, which made Elliot very angry. He went into his room and kind of freaked out and cried again and like you know, kicked and punched some things, and so on and so forth, and so he ended up fighting with those roommates like almost constantly, to the point that he ended up being moved to another unit because he just couldn't even deal with the fact that these people, like these low class people, had had sex

and that he had not had sex. Then he moved in with a roommate named Spencer, who was with quite for quite a while, and he didn't really mind Spencer that much for the same reason. The main thing he didn't like about Spencer was that Spencer was the only one that knew that he, you know, what his life was really like, that he was just not getting laid in his room all the time. But then Spencer brought home a young woman one day had sex with her,

which made Elliott very very angry. And again, the only reason that he wasn't he could even deal with it was he looked at the woman and didn't think she was that beautiful. So then he insulted Spencer for having sex for the woman that wasn't very attractive in Elliott's mind. So they ended up hating each other and getting in

a huge fight. So this kind of thing just continued to go on I don't want to get too ahead of myself and talk about his last roommates yet, but so he wasn't doing very well with his roommates, nor was he doing very well with his goal of meeting women.

because he wasn't talking to anybody else either. So he was dropping these classes, getting angry at women and guys same thing. So he started saying things to James which were things that he really thought was that, you know, women were basically inferior, they were stupid. You know, he was getting more and more angry that they were women in general acted the way they acted. He wished he could get revenge on people. Started to tell James even

some of the things that he wanted to do. He was often talking about, like you know, boiling people in oil and things of that nature. And there would be times that he and James would go out to dinner get a bite, and an attractive woman would come in with a guy, and James would just be like, you know, man, we're screwed, and because he knew Elliott was going to freak out, and Ellie would get really, really angry, and eventually James just pulled away because he just couldn't handle

how weird Arry honestly, Elliott was. Elliott was becoming.

was popularized, but they were basically in cells. They would they would join together and bemoan the fact that that women were only attracted to, you know, guys, flat abs and you know, and just attracted a stupid men instead of like, you know, intelligent men like them. And they'd kind of stoke each other's fires and get each other wound up. Not all of them, of course, that's the thing you have to be clear about with these kind

of things. It's not like I'm saying every person who identifies as an insult Back then too was being this dramatic about things. But Elliott did find some people that he could at least vent to online about the way he felt because he didn't have anyone in his real life that he could do so too, mostly because what he was venting about was so insane, obviously, but right.

of all this happening. He basically just dropped out of college, didn't tell his parents he wasn't even taking classes anymore. They'd keep sending his allowance. Then another semester would come out to take a class, drop that because he'd become incredibly angry seeing beautiful women in class and so on, and so that, you know, with the jocks and stupid guys.

So he is basically not basically he was spending all of his time in his room, not even playing Wow anymore, but just in his room, fantasized making plans playing the lottery, playing the lottery constantly because he he thought that if he won the lottery that he'd be rich and then that would solve everything and just deteriorating, and eventually he started thinking and plotting of this what he called the day of retribution, where he would you know, come out

pay for how they've treated him, you know, his whole life.

I might have to go kill it. I don't want to, but I might have to just like, you know, go kill everybody. And then he he he started reading these law of attraction books that were basically about like positive thinking and so on and so forth. So he would he would envision that he was going to win the lottery, and then he would buy like numerous lottery tickets and

he would be sure. He wouldn't just think, he would be sure that he had won, and he would sit there and he'd be like, Okay, I'm not going to have to kill everybody, like I'm gonna I'm gonna win the lottery and everything's going to be fine. And then the day would come and then and he wouldn't win, and he would you know, he would he would freak out. He would you know, attack his mattress with a knife,

like just just lose his mind. And then he would plan the day of retribution again, and then again he would read another lot of Attraction book, or we'd played a lottery again and he'd stopped. It'd be like, okay, you know, if I win this and then I won't have to kill anybody. So this this period went on

for for a while. And during this period too, I mean not to not to ramble on, but like there's certain things like there was one time he was he was on a field just hanging out, and he saw like a bunch of guys playing football and some really attractive women like watching them, and he got so mad. He went to a walmart, got a super soaker, filled it with orange juice, came back, sprayed them all with this super soaker, like ran away, laughing like crazy. He

got in his car and drove off. So he was starting to sort of practice, you know, like these little attacks. Other times he would throw coffee on a couple walking down the street and then he just drive away and run back to his room and perseverate again for about five days on how he's gonna, you know how, he's gonna kill everybody. You know, it went on for a really really long time. It's processed.

schools and everything else. He never really was beat up. So now in the midst of this mindset, he's again he says a lot of things about last straws, but this beating is one of the last straws to put him and decide for certain that he's going to do this day of retribution, doesn't it.

just knew through Facebook, through stocking Facebook. There was this big kind of frat party thing going on with like a couple hundred people, and he went in and there was an Asian guy talking to a really attractive woman. So that made him really really mad, you know that this woman was talking to an Asian guy instead of him, and he ended up trying to insult the Asian guy. The Asian guy just is kind of worried about him, like thought he was too drunk, which made Elliot even.

He went outside and there was like a little ledge outside of the party, and he jumped up on the ledge. It's like a little wall, like a stone wall, and he jumped up and he sort of like made started making a gun motion and started trying to shoot people and they're passing by just with his hand. He didn't have a gun. And other people saw him on the on the wall and they jumped up too, and then he started trying to push off attractive women. He tried

to push them off the ledge. It was probably about, you know, four feet high. It wasn't like high, but but these guys saw him doing it, so they pushed him off instead, you know, And then Elliott hurt his leg. They actually did punch him a couple of times because he was like fighting with them, and yet to him, that was the ultimate end. He was he was the police were even called and like so on and so forth, and he was injured and had to stay with his

mom for a while. His leg was actually kind of messed up, but in his mind at that point, there was almost no going back, and he decided he had to go through with it, even though he still delayed it, like you said, because he had injured himself. He had to put it off because he wasn't ready. But that was sort of the end for him as far as like him thinking that he could fit in.

Retribution video you can still suffine like really easily. That's that's the one that he put up right before he you know, went off, and the Masker you can still find that one, and it's very chilling and creepy and it's pretty easy to find. But these other ones are not that easy to find. So he put up a whole bunch of videos like they was sort of like, you know, why don't girls like me? They've they've vacillated between I'm so cool and perfect and handsome and why

don't girls like me? And other ones were just sort of him driving in his expensive car with like walking on sunshine with Katrina and the waves going on in the background. But he he also some of them. He said some really weird, disturbing things, and his mother had seen one of them, and so she called the police. Shouldn't tell all yet, but she called the police kind of like to do a wellness check. So, yeah, they

showed up. He had like all sorts of writings, he had his guns, like, he had writings of his plans and his guns and so on and so forth, and he basically just told them that his mother was a quote unquote worry wart. And then he was fine, you know that that he you know, that he didn't really mean anything and that everything was good. And then he took all the police, you know, they taught to him, they left, and then he took all his videos down

at that point. He ended up uploading a bunch more again later, but at that point he took him all down and and just kind of went on with his stuff. But he was really frightened that they would have found his plans and stopped the whole thing. And they could have potentially if they if they went in and searched his own but there's all sorts of you know, there's all sorts of civil rights stuff around that too, So I'm not saying that they necessarily even should have done that.

I mean, it would have been great if they did, obviously, but hindsight's always on twenty twenty. In situations like that.

he was seeing they had hired a life coach. They actually even hired some younger people that were that were that were almost like you know, paid friends that would go out and have coffee with him, things like that, And they had hired a life coach, and he had gone back to his he'd gone back to a psychiatrist too, you know that that was always spotty, and you when you go through his records and you go through the you know, the the reports, there's the reports of him

going to psychiatrists and and different doctors, but it's unclear like how much time there is in between. So I believe that he had not seen the psychiatrists for quite a while and they just started after these videos like, you know, having family sessions with psychiatrists. But really what they were talking about was what's Elliot's relationship with his with his stepmother and so on and so forth. They weren't no one was aware that that he even the

videos that he put up should be clear. He didn't threaten violence against anybody. He was just acting very weird. He wasn't saying he was going to kill everybody or anything like that. No, so he lied to the psychiatrist, he lied to his family, so nothing ever really came of it.

is true worth and so on and so forth. And he also is very clear that he's that he's aware that he's you know, he doesn't even want to survive it, like he he doesn't want to go to jail or prison. But him starting off as such a mild, meek young man and then turning into this you know, psychotic killer.

You know, it's a very interesting and scary, you know, transgression obviously, but the manifesto, just like the video, he can find it pretty easily online and as I stated before, us is one of the reasons I was interested in writing the book because it's an incredible it's an incredible thing to read. So yeah, I kind of got lost track there was what was your question about what he was thinking of?

one by one, torture them, flay the skins for the bones. Really, he gets really bizarre here, you know, I mean, the whole thing's bizarre, but at this point it's beyond bizarre. You know, he wants to cut off their heads and put them in bags, and then later during his day of retribution, he's going to like stand on the street and open up the bag and like you know, kind of throw all the heads out, and so on and so forth. The showroomin how powerful he is and is

really beyond the pale, absolutely bizarre. You know, at this point, what's in his manifesto and what he's thinking about what he's going.

like him. There was a variety of altercations. At one point he even called the police because he accused one of his roommates of stealing stealing a pair of like, you know, a couple of six dollars candles and so on and so forth. Didn't they did not like like each other at all. So so basically in the middle of the night. They don't know exactly when his roommates were killed, and they think they were killed about three hours before he went out and started his started his rampage.

But he killed his roommates one by one. And see, this is what to me, this is like so bizarre because even as he's writing all this stuff, and he's gonna be saying all this stuff, he's still Elliott Roger. Like he's five four, he probably weighs one hundred and twenty pounds. He'd never been in a fight in his life until he was beaten up. And even then he wasn't really in a fight. He basically just beaten, all right. So he goes from that to doing this. So these

roommates come in, two roommates and a friend. I always say roommates, but that's not true. There were three different victims, two roommates and a friend. So they came in one

by one, you know, half hour hour apart. No one knows for sure this part when they were killed for sure, but they were definitely killed separately, and he would attack them with a knife, each one individually with a knife stabbed them like numerous times until they were dead, and then he would drag a body into the bedroom, cover it with like towels and blankets, and wait for the next person to arrive. Now it's important to say too that in the manifesto, there's nothing about this, Like the

manifesto goes up. You know, he doesn't write about what he did with the with the roommates before he went back out and killed so so there were three different people he did that, and then he then he you know, sat in his apartment and I imagine, you know, his plan, which is so bizarre that he's going to lure people

in there and kill them and torture them. I mean, first of all, I'm not saying this to be funny or facetious, but I mean, he'd never been able to lure a woman into his apartment anyway, that's right not to mention with three dead bodies in there, so there's not much chance that he's going to be able to do it now. So that part never came to fruition.

I mean, he killed the roommates in theory because that was part of his plan, was to lure people knowing his apartment and kill other people in his apartment, but that never happened. So then there's like a period of a belief maybe like you know, again, no one knows exactly when, but for a period of time he didn't do anything at all. And then he was seen like outside in his car at one point, like you know, you know, plan on his laptop. He got a Starbucks

like coffee a few hours before. This is all like around eight thirty at night. So again, the roommates were killed sometime earlier in the day, their bodies weren't found until the next day. So then he went to a sorority house, the Alpha Pli sorority house, like where he considered it to be where the women were the most attractive sorority like at the school. So he had planned

this particular sorority house. His plan was he was going to go in and kill all of them basically purely for the crime of being, in his opinion, like really attractive, you know. So he went there and he knocked on the door, and he continued to knocking the door, and

for some reason, nobody answered it. It's kind of odd because people even said afterwards that they would hear people not the door is locked and he knocked, and people would hear people knocking on the door, and people would you know, someone would go see who it wasn't let him in, but for some reason nobody did. So now his plan has already gone completely. I mean, obviously his plan would never have gone the way he wanted it to because it was insane. But his plans already got

out the window. No torture chamber. He couldn't get into the sorority house, so he basically just starts shooting. He gets back in his car and he just starts shooting people randomly. He shoots two women, three women, actually two of them die, the other one survives. He just pulls up to them and just starts shooting. I mean, throughout this massacre, throughout this attack like this, a series of stories and people just saying that he just pulled up to them in his BMW. This guy up looked at

them and you know, started shooting. So two of those women died, one survived. He then just kept driving around the neighborhood, hitting people with his car. He killed another man with a shot that was trying to get into a deli, killed him, hit numerous bicyclists, side swept cars, just mayhem, I mean absolutely mayhem until eventually, I mean, obviously the police were on the scene fairly quickly. One

of them took a shot at Elliott. Well he was shot at before and missed, but one of them actually hit Elliott in the thigh. Elliott crashed his car and he ended up shooting himself in the head. And that was, you know, very different than what his and he died, very different than what his plan actually was. And what you were alluding to earlier was, yes, so that right before he went out and started these attacks, he had sent the manifesto. Andy had uploaded the video the day

of retribution video. His mother saw it, talked to his father, and as this was going on, they were racing from their home to Santa Barbara, trying to call his self, trying to get in touch with him, calling the police, until they were finally told to pull over and the police let them know that their son had died. A very very bizarre day and horrible day. Obviously.

that's right, that's right. But at the same point, there's a lot of people, whether it's jokingly or not, that they refer to Elliott Roger as Saint Elliott's. When I say a lot of people I'm saying insults, they refer to Saint Elliot's like they talk about going er I

meaning you know, his initials when they get angry. There's a lot of people on these sites that that say that women should be you know, put in concentration camps, that rape should be legal, that They basically say the very same things that Elliott Roger did in his manifesto. The whole Supreme Gentleman thing is kind of like because people, you know, they talk about it all the time on these sites, you know, they call him the Supreme Gentleman.

Some of them, of course, are trolling in a sense, but but some of them, you know, some of them aren't. And there have been a I wouldn't say a huge amount of copycuts, and some of them are. Some of them are sort of alluded to his being copycut killings, but but they might not be, but they're most The biggest one is Alec Maniason, who was in Toronto. He did a van attack right where he killed numerous people, I think around ten and injured a bunch of others.

He did it with a he just rammed people in his van and he you know, actually put on on Facebook, you know, something to the effect of the in cell rebellions has begun. I'll hail Elliott Roger. A bunch of other killers have referenced Elliott Roger and their writings before. They've before, they've before, they've all the same type of thing where a guy in Florida, Scott Barley. He's a Tallahassee guy that went into a yogas shop studio and

killed a bunch of women. So another guy, Christopher Harper Mercer. These guys all would reference Elliott Roger and or at least talk about themselves being in the cells before before they did their crime their killings. So it's become a thing. The Southern Poverty Law Centers now called in Cells a hate group because of their misogyny. The website that I just referenced, they used to be on Reddit read it shut them down because of the things that they were saying,

and Reddit doesn't shut people down that easily. Then they had a website hosted in the United States that host shut them down because the things that were saying. Last I knew they were posted out of the sight in Iceland. So it's a very bizarre subculture. And again I want to be clear that that, you know, I mean, internet trolls are everywhere. It's like, it's like you've got to be able to differentiate, you know that some of these guys are just this guy's messing around on the Internet.

I'm not saying it's cool. I'm just also not saying they're all potential potential killers because they're certainly not.

So it would be it would be kind of an irresponsible to think that Elliott Rodgers there was the reason Nicholas Crews did what he did. But there are a couple in particular Menassian, who waved that insult flag completely and that's the only reason, according to them, that they did it was their hatred of Warnable.

I wrote the book. As I said, I was like kind of surprising you've never had It's kind of like a story waiting to be told.