THE SERIAL KILLER

journalist and author Dan Zupansky. Good evening, true crime fans, This is your host, Dan Zupanski, for the program True Murder, the most shocking killers in true crime history and the authors that have written about them. Today, We're going to have a special program because I'm going to be appearing on crime Beat on the Artist's First Radio Network with hosts Will Herb and true crime bestselling author Ron Chepsik,

who has appeared on the program. The title of the program is The Serial Killer and where we'll be discussing my book Trophy Kill, The Shall We Dance Murder, and the Mind of the serial Killer. On the eve of the Crime Beat program, I hope that I hope you will tune in for this will be the very first time that I will be reading excerpts of Sydney Tearhuse's incredibly shocking letters that specifically pertain to serial murder. This

is not for the faint of heart. These letters were the crucial evidence at trial and are the most shocking revelations ever written. I guarantee it. So if you're still interested in listening and want to stay tuned, please brace yourself. This episode is called The Serial Killer, Sydney Tear Hues and Trophy Kill. First off, I just want to tell you about upcoming shows. Next week, I'm going to have

an encore performance, so I think it's appropriate. The Casey Anthony case and Kaylee Anthony, the victim obviously has garnered incredible attention in America and throughout the world. I, however, have not done many programs, but if people are fans of this program, they'll know that I interviewed Diane Fanning, one of the best true crime writers in America today, and she had written a book previous to this trial,

which is very unusual. As most true crime fans know, most books do not come out till after the trial has been concluded. Saint Martin's press decided felt it necessary or worthy and warranted writing a book before the trial even occurred. Now, for those that say, well, how could

you write a book without the trial occurring? You can get the goods without the hysteria of CNN and Nancy Grace and some of these people, and speculation, the endless speculation of what will happen, and legal anlumly say this, and legal analysts say that at least Diane, Diane Fanning has written a book I believe the definitive book regardless of the trial, because it does tell the story without the bias and the speculation, and without the hysterics and

ranting and raving about what such a bad mother she was. So it comes from a seasoned journalist, a true crime best selling author, and a fine author at that, Diane Fanning. And next week we'll have an encore performance of Mummies Girl from last October twenty ten, and so we will tune in for that encore performance on Core program. After

that we are going to have our Barry Flowers. Is the first time we've had Detroit Warren journalist, noted award winning journalist and noted ripperologist are Barry Flowers with his incredible book Slave Masters, which was originally released in nineteen ninety six and I guess did so well that they re released it again ebook form. So anyway, we're going to be talking about that and get an opportunity to

speak with our Berry Flowers. If you do get a chance look at his vast incredible background of varied stories and his journalism and also his books that he's written, both fictional and true crime and nonfiction. After that, we have the pleasure of having Anthony di Stefano back onto the program. He has written King of the Godfathers, and we interviewed him regarding that incredible book about the mob New York, New York City mob American mobsters he has.

He's another noted journalist with incredible true crime pedigree and background, and we're going to be talking about his latest book called Mob Killer. And I'll just tell you, I'll give you a little bit on the Mob Killer. He dissolved the bodies of some of his victims and acid and poured them down the sewer. He hung grizzly souvenirs on nails in his junkyard. Charles Carneglia was a stone cold killer who fell in with the bloodthirsty John Gaudy crew.

As the infamous crime family rose to power with their murderous trail of sex, jealousy, greed and revenge, Carnelagia rose with them. This is the horror firing story of a misfit who fit perfectly into the New York mafia. In a horror harrowing journey inside a ruthless criminal underworld, Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Anthony M. Di Stefano chronicles one man's life in a world of depraved acts of violence and the horrors that went with being a member of the

Gambino family. This has been called thrilling American Crime Writing by Jimmy Breslin. This is not a program to be missed. It's a little bit out of the norm for me to do mob stories, but when you have the caliber of journalists, investigative journalist and true crime author like Anthony M. DiStefano, you should tune in because it's very much I think

a lot of people separate. I mean, true crime obviously has stories about bikers and mobsters, gang members, but in this particular case, we're looking at what's normally covered on this program, psychopathic killers and the very worst of the psychopathic killers. So that's keeping in with that tradition. Now, so we're going to talk about trophy kill. And for those that routinely listen to the program, they've probably heard me talk for an hour about trophy kill. But on

the eve of this program. And why it's important I think that we're mentioned serial killer is for me to explain this completely. Let me do that with this thing that I've written myself concerning that, and I title it, Who else did Sidney Tearhuse Murder? In my nonfiction book Trophy Kill the Shall We Dance?

Now you may say, well, what do you mean by question properly? And who in your mind? Who in my mind would be able to elicit that type of incredible confession from this killer from the killer himself. Now, I believe that if someone recognized as a serial killer expert or noted criminal profiler was to express an interest alone in interviewing him extensively, then I believe that Sidney Tearhuse would definitely reveal to that person information about the other

murders he has committed. Now why that? Why believe that is because Sidney Tearhuse has intimated, insinuated, and alluded to other murders and has written, for example, this is page seventy three and seventy four. When you kill someone, you experienced a frenzy, a vehemence for what cannot be changed. However, sometimes when a body dies, it twitches and makes noise.

When you cut off a human arm or leg, then hold it and admire it, you are overwhelmed with this ideology that the victim was sacrificed for the right reasons. Do you think I have the characteristics of a serial killer? Now? These are quotes from the killer himself, Tearhuse in his actions, his own words, and his characteristics and all the characteristics surrounding the murder post murder activities which include necrophilia and

organ removal and disposal. And then the communication with media and myself has provided clear evidence I believe of Sidney ture Hughes as a serial killer based on the established serial killer criminal profile. Now, Sidney ture Hues is clearly psychopathic and he came forward to police to direct them to his murder horror spectacle when he seized upon a unique opportunity in which he could achieve the infamy he

so desperately wanted now. Once he realized that he was in possession of Susan Sarandon's stolen gold necklace, he then decided that he would end his reign of horror with a murder so unforgettable that he would be infamous forever. His murder horror spectacle did get noticed because of the Hollywood connection, and stories abounded through throughout the world, especially

on celebrity sites. Terrhusse had granted the Winnipeg Son in exclusive interviews immediately after he was arrested, and based on his statements during those interviews, he was clearly psychopathic and definitely wanted to talk. By revealing that he had been questioned about similar murders that had occurred in Vancouver and Alberta in about the fourteen years he had lived out there, he has purposely led myself and other people anyone who would read these letters to believe that he likely has

killed before in Vancouver and Alberta. Now I will read that letter from you and I will explain this though that of course, what he talks about in the letter is that he was questioning about similar murders that occurred in Edmonton and Alberta. However, I did the research, and of course we're going to talk about the characteristics of this murder. And just for those who have never who have not heard past programs, the Sidney Tierhuse directed police

to this murder horror spectacle. And what do I mean with a murder horror spectacle? And why am I calling it? That? Is because the body was dismembered in eight pieces. It was posed and displayed for shock value. And when I say the body was crudely reassembled for shock value, what I mean is that the body was sawn in half. The body the victim was decapitated. So, for example, Sidney tier hues take took that decapitated head and put it

back on the severed windpipe and neck bone. Pardon me, but he put that head back where the head would have been for shock value. He had removed one of the eyes, he had punctured the other eye, he had stabbed the chest sixty eight times in an almost perfect symmetrical pattern, not a random pattern. He had disarticulated the arms at the knee, at the elbows, and the legs

at the knees, disarticulated, not just randomly savagely cut. He had disarticulated very much, very carefully, very much, as the pathologist said at the trial, surgical precision, dexterity, and obviously some knowledge or very clear knowledge of anatomy and also how to conduct an autopsy. He had careful, carefully dissected

one of the arms. He had And here is the thing that really sets this crime, this case, this killer, apart from all of the other killers that you may have read about and been shocked by their actions, is that he had sliced the chest cavity open, washed the body again, posed and displayed this body. He had castrated the victim, so he put where the genitals would be.

He put those back where they might be again, posed and displayed for that one unfortunate police officer to find in that room, while the killer stood out in the hallway and got to again experience the thrill and the shock that he was trying to convey and to perpetrate this. He had that ability to be able to stand out in the hallway and experience the horror again for someone else. But of course that's not enough. They need to relive it and reiterate and again recount, relive and repeat what

they have done to further shock the world. Now, with the all of the organs missing, every single solitary thing that would have been in a chess cavity was removed. Now, for those people that don't know, this would be called a ripper. But when I looked at calling this person the ripper, I understood if people didn't understand what the

ripper term actually meant. And the ripper term refers to of course, Jack the Ripper, and why he was called the ripper is not only did he use the knife, but it actually specifically refers to the removal of the organs. So Jack the Ripper's characteristic, his mo his signature, I would say, was to remove those organs, take them outside of the body. And at one point, as he escalated in his crimes, he had sent the kidney, part of the kidney or half of the kidney to police authorities

and a note identifying himself. So clearly these psychopathic serial killers wanting the press and media attention and to relive their crimes and to taunt the police and the victims. Isn't a new phenomena. That's eighteen seventy and there have

been other cases as well. Of course, Jack the Ripper is just the most famous, and part of that is that he was never ever caught, and so with Sidney Teerhues, he had created this horror spectacle about where this and no one has created this level of horror spectacle for police to find. And then he granted interviews with the media.

I recognized he wanted to talk, and of course then I became involved, corresponded with the killer to write this book, and at some point after nine months of correspondence about which included all of his background and all of his exploits very interesting, quite intelligent killer, quite articulate, but very very psychopathic and narcissistic, then I then asked him for details in the last three months of correspondence, in details specifically about the murder that he claimed to not remember.

And for those in the US, we have a different system that it has evolved, even though our legal system is based on the British system as many Australia and England. Obviously in America. In Canada we should have similar systems,

and we do for example. But however, in this particular case, why one of the reasons why it became involved, and one of the reasons why it was even more mortified by this killer and his incredible murder is that he had the distinct possibility that the distinct chance of actually having a murder reduced to manslaughter because he said, because he said, he claimed that he couldn't remember, and that he claimed to be intoxicated and claimed to have blacked out. So all these claims mean.

the murder occurred, apparently at six point twenty. All the details, every single horrifying, graphic, disturbing, chilling detail this person included, and I let him say these disgusting and incredible things because it was evidence. Now, anybody that reads the book. It looks at this case will realize the extent of what he had said in terms of damning incriminating evidence

against himself. They used the letters and the diagrams which referred that included necrophilia, the time of death, the drawings are just incredible and shocking, and those letters the correspondence referred to the murder itself, the disposal of the internal organs, the dismemberment, the necrophilia, the entire experience from the killer, and the drawings that corresponded with what he had done and his fantasies and the victim as a human trophy.

And as he had said, the dismembered creation was his ultimate work of art, and he fashions himself as an artist. And while he is in custody now he is reverted back to his artistic leanings and his painting Aboriginal themed paintings. However, he very much interesting that the son of Sam law so that killers would specifically not be able to profit

from the Nord riot of crime. It is about a thirty or thirty five year old law that was enacted so that Sam Berkowitz and other son of Sam Sam Burkowitz and other killers of that ilk would not be able to profit often a notoriety of their crimes. Now, what does that mean? While thirty five years later we had still not drafted a law to be able to

deal with that potential issue. And of course, with this psychopathic killer trying to taunt police, all of society, enacting his revenge on his adopted family and all of society, certainly this person, more so than anyone you've ever seen, wanted to make sure that he was known for what he had done. So Sidney Tierhuse has achieved the infamy

he wants to a certain extent. But I believe, I really do believe that, despite only having this murder, that he is a serial killer based on the established killer criminal profile. Now, I won't go into that criminal profile, but I will read something from as I just quoted a little bit. I will just read some of what he has said. So, did you get a clear idea

of why I believe he's a serial killer? Besides the select quotes that I've made, And so I will read what's in the two chapters that concern Sydney's letters Specifically. There are some letters that are spread throughout the entire book, but the most graphic and horrific, and letters that were specifically utilized at the trial are contained in chapter nine

and to a lesser extent, chapter eight. In chapter nine, I title this chapter the Dreaded Letters, and so these are the most important letters to the entire story and also the most important letters in the trial itself. Now I will just read the first letter, and I've written it so that you the information is revealed in the proper order. Now this is from October six, two thousand

and four, and I will read from his letter. I still need a list of offshore banks in the Bahamas that are not affiliated with the United States or Canada. I will have it set up as the check will go directly into the offshore account. If you do this appearance on CGOB with Charles Adler, I will give you an interview right after the preliminary hearing. If Adler asks you where you've got your information, just say a reliable source. Don't mention any names. As for this book titled Drunken Defense,

it's not eye catching. I want something more dramatic, like human trophy or Room three h nine or murder at six twenty pm the time of Green's death or kill time or use Green's last words, please don't kill me, Typer, write up what you have so far in the first chapter and send it to me. I need to get a sense of your style of writing. I'll prof rate it, make any necessary adjustments, and send it back to you. Send it in a large brown envelope, along with another

brown envelope inside with your return address. As for the book titled Trophy Kill, it sounds perfect except for the subtitle the Sydney teerhu story, I feel trophy Kill Murder in three oh nine would sound better, or trophy Kill the Murder of Robin Green, or even something a little more shocking, trophy kill Slaughterhouse at the Elbert. I'm even sure if you ask permission from Hollywood, you could call it trophy kill the shall we Dance Murder? It's what

Richard Gear and Sarandon called it. Perhaps on the cover we could have a photo of me greened in the necklace and the title, so I guess they could say this. I will read a little bit more from the Sidney teerhuse he's talking about Dennis Nielsen, And for those people that don't know, Dennis Nielson is an infamous killer, very much like Jeffrey Dahmer from Britain, and this person felt very necessary to be able to talk about his crimes.

He was also a homosexual chef, very much like Sydney and killed his victims were homosexuals, and very much like Jeffrey Dahmer, he had another added even more bizarre element to his crimes that he wanted to hang around or have his victims hang around, even though they were dead. So here's another letter. This is January twelfth, two thousand and five. You feel my situation is shockingly similar to the likes of Dennis Nilsen. I find it interesting. Do

you think Nielsen had any influence? I hadn't really thought about it that way. The only time I ever entertained the thought of Dahmer or Nielsen was when I sliced open greams abd them in, seeing the intricate design and coil of the transparent intestines. Only after playing with them I did I want to experience what Dahmer Nielsen did by inserting my arm deep inside Green's chest cavity and

exploring his insides. What fascinated me about Dennis was his first male victim and the skinhead I like to find out more about that. I would like to write to him. You wanted a list of missing organs, lungs, part of the esophagus, epiglottis, digestive track, heart spleen, stomach, liver, pancreas, arota, aorta, one of the eyes, the other was punctured. They said there was little to no blood. There was no blood to be found in Green's carcass. Green wasn't my ideal candidate.

I could have picked anyone I was looking for gay sex. This would have been no different from any other barroom sex encounter in a gay lifestyle. You meet someone, have sex, and go your merry way. So that's another letter from Sidney Tierhus. I will continue to read a little bit. This is January third, two thousand and five. We have covered a lot. Some of your questions I can't answer simply because certain things haven't even crossed my mind. Green

fulfilled my sexual needs. What makes it even more gratifying is that this was Green's last sexual experience before his death. There's nothing more beautiful knowing Green had died sexually satisfied. When Green took off his underwear and tossed him on the floor, it would be his. It would be that for the last time. I was the last person to have sex with Green. Little did Green know he'd be dead in an hour and a half. They would no

longer exist. Sex with Green's dead body was intoxicating. The silence remembered as I drove myself in and out of them the best sex I ever had. I can vaguely analyze the complexity of my thoughts at that tender moment. I enjoyed the sex so much because he was dead. Fucking Green like a locomotive, electrified me into a divine sexual vulgarity. When you kill someone, you experience a frenzy,

a vehemence for what cannot be changed. The triumphs and trophy Green's physical body had to offer when I carved him up was like working like was like working on him like a tramp leol. Having sex with a dead body was more powerful than anything you can fathom. The poetry of Green's viscera, the inexplicable beauty of his intestines elaborately coiled and folded their rich aroma of fresh human meat.

The sound of stainless steel cutting into bone, ripping out the lungs with my bare hands, when Green was sawed in half, the shreds of flesh hung from his ribbed cage like Coless Frond, randomly stabbing his corpse, butchering him for the mere pleasure of it, because I can. When you cut off a human armor leg and then hold it and admire it, you were overwhelmed with this ideology that the victim was ultimately sacrificed for the right reasons.

When I butchered Green's body, watching the steel blade enter the body and the sensation of pulling it out again, and was beyond any moral connection. I treated the corpse like a side of beef, like Green was a dead animal, and portioned him like a giant turkey, cutting off the arms and legs, guiding him scooping out the organs. I took my time. I made an evening of it, slowly dismembering Green's body, taking a break every now and then

to admire my culinary and meet. After Green had been dismembered, I held open the giant cut in his abdomen and took a nice, deep breath of his empty chest cavity. It was a sense of accomplishment. His flesh was starting to turn gray, his forearms were cold. The fingertips turned blue black under the nails. What sort of haunts me is that after I had Green on the bathroom floor and began to slice into his neck, I think he was still alive. There was a deep groan and a

deep a deep ahe and a groan. However, sometimes when a body dies, it twitches and makes noise. Even if he was a live I probably would have held him down and continued to chop his head off. What was really sexually gratifying was having Green's penis on my pillow beside my face while I masturbated. What a beautiful sight, knowing his body was cut to pieces in the next room. Anyway, do you feel compassion for Green? Do you think what I did to Green's body was an act of love

for him in a macabre manner? Or was it lust for a dead body? Would you consider what I did to Green's corpse a moral's crime according to the law. After Green died legally he was no longer a person. Would it be safe to say I'm guilty of doing indignities to a corpse? Incredible stuff, I will continue. I don't think I have told you anything about the actual last seconds of Green's life, the actual murder, the stabbing. Have I at this point, I wouldn't have anything to

say to Green's parents. Why the dissection of certain body parts. I don't think I was finished. Hadn't gotten a chance to smash Green's skull and dissect his brain or di sect the hands or feet. Do inmates treat me like a celebrity. No, I don't get much fanfare. I'm Yesterday's news. One inmate, in particular, Berri Antal, the American bank robber, found the gruesome details of Green's demise entertaining, as he said, as he smiled in his American accent, you're one sick

and that I reminded him of Ted Bundy. What made it erotic or sexy was the dead weight of his body, the sound of friction, Green's flesh being dragged over the carpet to weigh, his head nodded from side to side, his arms dragging over his shoulders and bumping into things. When I masturbate at night, my sexual fanities fantasies vary. When a fantasize about Green, it's when I'm sexying as

headless corpse after he's decapitated. That's all I like to remember Green as a naked, headless corpse on my bathroom floor before his dismemberment, disembowlment, and emasculation. You seemed to be focused on the missing internal organs. So here's a little quiz. Only one of these statements are true. What did I do with Robin Green's internal organs? Were they a flush down the toilet? B? Did I sell them the George for fifty dollars? C? Did I eat them

in a cannibalistic ritual? D? Were they tossed in a BFI dumpster near Health Sciences Center? E? Were some tossed in a vacant lot and a dumpster near Health Science Center? Only one of these statements is true. What do you personally think I did with Green's organs? Be realistic? Number two? Green's murder is similar to who a Dahmer B Zodiac Killer CE, John Wayne Gacy, D Dennis Nilsen. Three Do you think I have the characteristics of a serial killer? Yes?

Or no? Do you think I enjoyed the entire event, the murder, stabbing, death of Green and the necrophilia? And does this amendment from beginning to end? Yes? No, not sure? And one other letter the case, This case is more sensational than you can comprehend. If we go to trial, I have news that will shock the world. There is a lot that nobody knows of went on those early

morning hours of July second, two thousand and three. Now I want to explain things something because I'm not sure if people know maybe why it's important that I've included this information because as some people have called this true crime book reviews Burobar from True Crime Uncensored, they've used the word disgusting. Now, I really would have a hard time trying to sell a book that it can be deemed disgusting. But I think, well, I know what they're

speaking about. Is the actual revelations from the killer being disgusting. I'm and you've heard it. This is stuff that it mixes sex and homosexual sex, which is distasteful to many men and many people for various reasons. Why I've included this is because I could find no way to take it out and still give you the complete story of how this person, this suspected serial killer, this serial killer in my mind thinks actually thinks we have a treasure trove.

If it's any appropriate term of actual revelations from this killer deep inside his mind, not the mind of somebody looking for excuses, because he does trot these out obviously in the book as well. Everyone abused them. Everyone wanted to have sex with them. Sex was the biggest part of his life. It happened everywhere. Everyone wanted them, everyone abused them. He worked as a male prostitute. He says, you know, again, you have to just report on what

these people say. Do they exaggerate, do they embellish? Are they pathological liars to a certain degree, or is there narcissism make them believe that everyone wants them, everyone thinks they're handsome. Everyone has abused him. I mean it's a mix of things. Is there people that may have abused him when he was young? Possibly could be Again, all I want to do is just get to the gist of the most important thing. This person butchered this human

being when he realized he had Susan Sarandon's gold necklace. Now, why would he do that? Because he's a movie fan. He's obsessed with celebrity, and many people are. But when he realized somewhere on the day of July first, I believe there's all the evidence that all the inferences, and I mean I'm talking about inferences that never have any exceptions. They're all inferences that lead to the same easy conclusion that I'm very confident about that he is a serial killer.

See why I believe that he would not actually talk about premeditation in this particular case, because he knew enough

about the law. He's a smart individual who must be reading the papers like everyone else and realize very much so about Canadian law and Canadian law procedures manslaughter because you say you're drunk, And even in this particular case, it is absolutely ridiculous and absurd to believe a person wouldn't be cognitive of their actions for this entire period it would take to carefully dissect and do an incredibly surgically precise autopsy and then walk considerable distance, even if

we believe, if we believe him, that it was miles away where he disposed of these organs, but it was certainly not in a two or three mile radius around the hotel that he disposed of these organs. So he certainly went out of his way to dispose of these organs, which indicates to me, obviously it has no problem removing organs dissecting certain body parts, but certainly taking those organs calmly and collectively in some kind of garbage bags and walking miles with them or two or three or four

miles to dispose of them. How he you know, it's inconceivable, very first murder, and I'm not it's because of the motivation itself. The motivation to come forward is very rare. There have been the Happy Face Killer. There have been certain people that were frustrated that the police could not catch up with them, the BTK killer. There's numerous examples of some of the worst serial killers contacting the police

because the police. In the Happy Face Killer case, someone else had come forward confessing, believe it or not, two murders that he had committed. So he contacted police and they had a hell of a time believing or he had a hell of a time convincing anyone that these other people didn't commit the murders. But when people are taking credit for someone else's murders or and like you see it on fictional programs and based on true life,

this has happened. Where in the BTK case, why he came forward is because a journalist they generated a story where they said he was likely retired or he's not

going to do it again. Basically, there are a lot of police agencies that are experienced enough to do some innovative things to be able to flush out these killers that hadn't been in bt case case hadn't been caught for over twenty years, and they were successful because a lot of these people obviously you could say they're intelligent, but how intelligent you have to be to kill someone that is no one really really cares about a homosexual

in this case, visiting a city, susceptible to alcohol or intoxication, or maybe even an alcoholic. I don't want to call people, you know, accuse people, or a label people as anything, but certainly serial killers pick the most vulnerable people, people on the street with addictions, that are going to jump

into a car because they're desperate for money. And then from there the killer had as a person that is willing to go into a vehicle that society, police, maybe even other people families don't really care as much about. So that's why they become victims. In this particular case with Sidney Tierhuse, he lays out in this book his MO, his method of operations, his signature, is again, if we do strict traditional criminal profiling, we would then look for

again I think this is a total mistake. We would look for similar murders where all of the victims internal organs were removed and they were stabbed numerous times in some kind of pattern and then mutilated, partially dissected, and then left posed and displayed crudely reassembled for shock value. Well, why that's not part of his signature? Is that I believe the part of the signature is complete disposal of

the victim after the experience. Why do I believe that after he left Winnipeg at nineteen years of age and moved out to Vancouver that he became a serial killer? Is at some point and it makes no other logical sense to me, is that Sydney Tierhus had dreamed of moving out to Vancouver. Vancouver. For those people in and America that don't know, is our California, the West coast,

the casual pot smoking is permissible. You know the next province over, it's conservative and politically and socially is very much like Texas and some of their laws. And so you have a mentality that goes from our province. The province with ten provinces and politically, socially historically they are different makeups of different kinds of people. The West coast Vancouver compared to winnipe Winnipeg is a midwest a prairie town, eighth or ninth biggest city in Canada, old, not the

most affluent, the coldest climate in Canada. Mosquitos infested in the summer. Because of our soil, which is basically clay. We have a city that is about seven hundred thousand people with not much of a surrounding area. Is isolated. For example, we are eight hours from Minneapolis by car. We are eight hours to anywhere, or ten hours or twelve hours by car to anywhere in Ontario, our most populous province, and Toronto being about six million in the

greater metro area. So getting back, Sydney moved out to Vancouver, became a chef and began his dream life out in Vancouver. Now he's plagued with drug addictions because his life didn't really work out the way he had wanted. There's many people like that. But as even worked as a chef and he made good money in Vancouver, which I mean

compared to Winnipeg or some other places. Vancouver, being I believe, the third biggest city in Canada, all these opportunities for good wages because it is an affluent community Vancouver and

surrounding area. People go to retire to Vancouver and there is a lot of money, and so as a chef, I can't see him making any more money, regardless of moving to another province, to the neighboring province of Alberta is where he moved after nine or ten years of living in Vancouver, which he had always dreamed of living in. Now some people might say, well, because he's odeing on cocaine and crack and doing heroin and oxy cotton out in West Coast, maybe he left Alberta for different paths,

for a different influence, a different friends. If we take that as one of the reasons, then why would he leave Edmonton and then go to a small, very small community called Canora, which is thousands of miles away. Again, when you're continually odeeing on crack, when you're living from paycheck to paycheck because of major addictions, there is no real reason to move as a chef, because I can't.

I cannot believe for a second that there is really any significant amount of money to be made moving from your city, taking in the consideration of that those costs to move to go to another job that will pay

essentially around the same amount of money. Now, another reason why I find it hard to believe that Sydney Tyer, who's the killer, would leave Vancouver is because Edmonton, where he went to, Alberta, the province itself, is very much like Texas for a homosexual drug user and a very flamboyant gay person, a very well, not a flaming gay,

but I'm just a person that's very obviously gay. And why he would plan to move to a province, to a city where it is noted for less than tolerance for gays and for drug users legally, socially, So I find it that's the I find it quite odd. Now, while he was in Alberta, he extended he was in a drug treatment program for six months, so obviously they felt and he felt that he had to go into

a clinic for an extended amount of time. I don't know about the rules of clinics, but four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, I mean that seems to be the norm, or even more than the norm. Six months is an extended a stay with obviously a serious hard drug problem. Now part of this as well is that when he came forward, I think it's a relief for some of these people to because he talks about constantly about scraping

and just getting by and oding continually. But again, I really do believe that he was running away also from murders. Why else would he put so much incriminating, damning evidence about attempted murders his mo where he knocks out men that he picks up at bus stations and then anally rapes these men. His total disregard for other people, trying to justify them as lesser people that just trash, is

very much like his hero's John Wayne Gacy. So he clearly stayed the case that he is influenced by other serial killers Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Dennis Nielsen, and he is interested in their notoriety for the same reasons they are notorious killers. He would like to be

known for those same types of things. So, if your heroes are serial killers, and you intimate, allude to, and insinuated your serial killer, and then you ask the question, which serial killer do I most closely resemble, and then you include quotes in your letters that refer to when the body dies, when you kill someone, it makes no sense to believe for a second that this person is

anything but a serial killer. In Canada, we have no consecutive sentences for murder regardless, no consecutive sentences for rape, no consecutive sentences for murder. So once he has been convicted, thanks to my efforts, this person was given the harshest sentence in our province for second degree murder, which is twenty five years before he's eligible for parole. Normally, if he was convicted a second degree murder, and in this particular case, it would have been difficult, believe it or not,

to convict him of second degree murder. And we won't even get into why that's possible. But this person could have received the sentence we'll say, for example, it's a misnomer. They'll say, will he received a life sentence with the possibility of parole in twelve years, And in twelve years, of course, if he's responding to rehabilitating, rehabilitation efforts in jail, whatever, those are as significant or insignificant as those are. Again,

how would you cure rehabilitate a psychopathic killer. Again, I could pose a question. There is no way of doing that, I believe, So a couple of years before he would be his first parole date possibility, they would prepare him for his eventual Again, the word eventual is what they use,

eventual release into society. Now by letting him out to the shopping mall and to the movie theater, they believe this demonstrates his trustworthiness and his harmlessness, now that he's been rendered harmless or safe or no risk to the public. And then they would use that information of his rehabilitation to indicate and give him the possibility of parole and release him into release them on the streets with some

kind of conditions, and they call that supervision. I do not know how going to a parole officer once a month or twice a month for an hour or half an hour is considered supervision in this case, because you've received twenty five years to life, you received the maximum sentence, which is equivalent to the harshest sentence we have in Canada, which is twenty five years before you're eligible for parole.

For example, Paul Bernardo Karl Halmalka, do you're not aware of these cases compete with anything in the world in terms of horrifying, incredibly charismatic and fascinating killers. Carlmalkam, Paul Bernardo, and Robert Picton. The person accused of had evidence of thirty three women being killed on his farm, but he has said to an undercover officer, I needed one more for fifty, So possibility of forty nine. At least thirty three. He has one murder conviction, not thirty three. So he

has a parole hearing in twenty years or so. Now, it's unlikely, based on all of the public outcry, that this person would ever actually be released on parole. And say with Paul Bernardo, however, this case, you know, didn't receive the kind of attention that those other cases. They were not as fascinated with the killer or the victim in this particular case. This is a faceless, non important victim from a family that doesn't understand the system and

has no status, is not high profile. What can I tell you, I mean, it happens in the case the

Anthony case, with Kaylee Anthony. It's there are certain victims that are much much more highly regarded and killers that happen to be handsome, and kids that are cute, and women that have not ever been in trouble at all with the authorities whatsoever, and a family of parents that are really, you know, really going to the media expressing their concern, pushing the media for for help in trying to in some cases finding the victim or trying to

get justice. So it's all the optics of the victim's family that looks good and is articulate, and of course I'll say the right color and the right socioeconomic status, and same with the victims. So in this case it's Winnipeg. So outside of Toronto are big megacity and Vancouver, which is the West Coast equivalent. It's just Winnipeg. It's just Winnipeg, and it's a victim that doesn't matter so much and

certainly a killer. Now when you throw in the necrophilia and the disgusting, horrific and graphic details that this guy provides, this book is getting, you know, judged by its cover and judge by people opening up and see the drawings that they're there. And in Canada we have no true crime market. We read American true crimes. We do have books about the Hell's angels in Canada and the Bandidos. There was a massacre a couple of years ago in Canada.

So those stories to the late and fascinate people in Canada. We don't have much in terms of mob stories per se. That's definitely America has a hold on that. That being their own phenomena. Serial killers are not known. In fact, when Robert Picton was merely killing women at almost at women in the Vancouver area on his pig farm and feeding the victims to the pigs, again incredible, incredibly gory details, a police officer within the Vancouver Police said, I think

we have a serial killer on the loose. They demoted him, humiliated him, basically tried to get him off the force, and denied any of his observations and conclusions and refused to believe that there was a serial killer loose. Obviously,

there was at least one serial killer loose. So again, because there are no consecutive sentences, there is no or very little motivation, and probably with Canada's laws, not only no motivation or inclination to be able to question him further, they might have legal problems from any prospective confession that they would be able to get from him, because again, we just have a different system. We believe that we

can rehabilitate everyone. We do have criminals rights enshrined. It seems to many people that go through the system that there's much more rights for the criminal than there are for the victims. And we certainly don't have the kind of input that victims have in America to elicit the kind of outcomes that those victims, victims of the family of the victims might want, or push for or desire.

So what we have is that there is not much incentive, motivation, inclination, or interest in questioning Sidney Tyerhughes further because of his disgusting revelations. However, there are numerous missing men in Vancouver area and Alberta and across this country, and every victim deserves to be recognized as a victim, and the families need this closure and to find out what on earth

happened to their loved one. Sidney Tierhues. I'm very confident. I, for example, have approached a doctor Scott Bonn, and doctor Scott Bonn is a professor of sociology at the Rutgers University of New Jersey, and I've approached them about approaching Sidney tier Hues because he's a serial killer researcher, slash expert, to be able to elicit the kind of information that will certify certainly that Sidney Tierhues is a serial killer,

and to initiate further investigations, regardless of he's doing the maximum sentence in prison. It's just the truth. It's that That's what I'm committed to. That's why I did this in the first place. I had my instincts and my intuitions as to what he was doing, and that's how I got involved, and that's how I uncovered the information that I uncovered in my research. I happen to study serial killers. I did interview Robert K. Wrestler, and that

interview is included in my book. Robert K. Wrestler is one half of the team that created Criminal Profiling, along with John Douglass from the FBI. Robert K. Wrestler is the person that coined the phrase serial killer, and in two thousand and two, ironically, I had the pleasure to interview Robert K. Wrestler about Jeffrey Dahmer and about John Wayne Gacy. Ironically, the information that I learned from that interview is applicable, ironically and incredibly applicable to this case

where I'm actually speaking with a serial killer. A year and a half after that Robert K. Wrestler interview Inside the Criminal Mind he called it, and we talked about the serial killer criminal profile. Now Sidney Tierhues is a serial killer based on this profile, and part of that profile is this need for fame, this need to relive the murders and the crimes themselves, the idea that he

would commit this one murder. At first, it took me probably two or three years to stop thinking logically like I would or you would think, because they have a different mentality, sex and murder as fantasies combined indistinguishable of the two things. Then you can't apply your normal rational thought and then and then extrapolate or make inferences. You

have to understand the mindset of these people. So when you do understand the mindset, you kind of you will question why if these heroes are serial killers, why would he come forward after just one murder? And you say just one? But the incredible horror spectacle has never never been equalled, never, and I hope it never is equaled or surpassed. Not even Jack the Ripper did this. No killer on earth in the history of the world has

done what Sidney Tierhuse has done. There have been incredibly horrific murders and killers, but no one has taken all of the victim's internal organs and done what this person has done. Now when you add that he the horror spectacle that he created with the internal organs all missing and this mutilated, dismembered corpse for shock value, pose and display for police to discover, but then granting interviews with the media, trying to contact the major players in this city.

But they just were not interested, or they were I'm not sure why they didn't see this story for what it was. It doesn't matter to me. I can't spend too much time on that. But why he went and corresponded with me and gave me the information that he did the way that he did, the providing the letter, about the questioning by police in Winnipeg about other similar murders. As he said, again, you have to take apart some of it and say, well, obviously there are no other

murders that are similar. But then you start thinking of well, similar just means he did all these things to a body. He was capable in this case of removing and disposing of all the victims Organs, Why could he just not dispose of the entire body. Well, he could, he could have done at this time. Well, then why did he come forward? Because on July second is the day he came forward, he provides in his writing in the book

The Stressors. He went back to his home with this adopted family had taken him in, and he talks at length about the sexual and physical physical abuse at the hands of his adopted family. His mother had given him up when she was fifteen. His family in Winnipeg took him into foster care, and then at July second, when he was three years old, that was the anniversary of his being adopted into this family in Winnipeg, this abusive,

allegedly abusive family. That's when he came forward was July second, the day after he had met this gentleman. July second, he came forward to the police. Now, if I had just put that together, that would be again, there wouldn't be so much weight to it. But he put that together. He provided the information about the stressors. Very much like a serial killer. He understands that has to be some reason for it. So he talks about the stressor about

going back to his neighborhood home. He had just been back in town for three weeks. He was thinking about his abusive family. So a couple days later, he meets

a man. He probably didn't have any intentions of murder that day, but when he found out that he had in his possession thanks to the victims stealing the jewelry from Susan Sarandon's trailer while she was on the set of Shall We Dance, he then hatched a plan to achieve the infamy that he always desired being a nobody, being frustrated, being a failed artist, and being a failed human by being hardly being able to stay alive o Dean continually squandering all his money, getting fired from jobs

because he was either drinking or just missing work, or just his character in general. So it was as very much as you know by reading all these books, it's the end of the road. They seem to be boxing in a corner, and this is what happens now. The other murders he alludes to. He talks about the other questioning, and I believe that what he's trying to tell me is other people were killed in Edmonton and Alberta our pardon me, Alberta, the province, and Vancouver, British Columbia. And

that is what he has given to me. Is all that information that when you put it all together, when you put all the characteristics, the post murder activities, the shared characteristics he has with the worst killers in true crime history. People don't lie about necrophilia, they don't brag

about necrophilia, brag about this memberment. This person deserves to be recognized as one of the worst serial killers of all time, one of the worst killers of all time, because if they were to get if anyone were to get the actual information from this killer, I can't even fathom what else this person would want to say and have to say about those other murders, what happened. This is a person that wants to be studied, that wants to be interviewed, that wants to talk, that wants to

be known, and wants to be infamous. We should use that opportunity now I've had this book. Trophy Kill has been studied by Professor Sue Williams and her class as one of the books about serial killing. This was called

the Social Construction of a serial killer. And my book has been included in with some of the biggest Catherine Ramsland, Harold Shanter, all these true crime bestselling authors who specialize in serial killing, and they looked at the book and they made their conclusions which I really don't agree with. But the book has been included in with other noted serial killer experts books and it's been accepted in this university class as a serial killer and the social construction.

I've now approached doctor Scott Bond. He is doing the again another construction of a serial killer again, the how these serial killers are formed, and he may have a problem with again Sidney Teerhus officially only being convicted of one murder. So I will continue my quest, my mission to have this guy recognize as a serial killer. And that's why I'm going to America, because America recognized the serial killers, and they recognized the profile. They created the

profile from their experience with serial killers. Canada may not care, but obviously people in America still are fascinated by again another unique serial killer. And this serial killer wanted to talk and did talk, and wow, did he talk. So anyway, I want to thank you very much for listening to this program. I hope I have enlightened you to why

I believe that Sidney Teerhues is a serial killer. And I will tell people too that there is no ebook version, but I am working on an ebook version and a relaunch of the book in an ebook form with a lot of reviews from true crime writers who have read the book so far. So I'm going to have that together and it should be available this year ebook form, and I want to make a couple changes to the

book now. The Amazon version, the published on demand version that you can get is seventeen dollars in the US, and I will tell you and explain why it is more expensive. Your average true crime writer is doing two true crime books a year in making fifty three cents royalty on each book. I had a small publisher. I'm not in America. I don't have the benefit of your

many of your programs to support. I'm probably not going to sell as many books just based on certain things, especially that it is a Canadian crime and will not interest everybody in America. But if you're interested in the mind of a serial killer, in a psychopathic killer, in a unique crime, in a fascinating story, of a journalist that gets inextricably involved in a case, and you have

the transcripts that you'd never get in most books. And why I've included that is because it's the most powerful way to get this information to you about Sidney Tierhughes and this incredible trial and Sydney Teerhughes, the killer took the stand and you won't believe the stuff they admitted to under cross examination. Very fast stuff. So that's what it is. The Trophy Killed, the Shall We Dance Murder? It is more expensive than your average true crime book.

It's four hundred pages in this bigger format. There's a lot of information jam packed into this book, and you will be first shocked by the murder itself, even more shocked by the revelations, and then hopefully you'll be shocked by the differences in our judicial system and the conduct of the most experienced murder trial lawyer in the English speaking world, which is Greg Brodsky, which was the defense lawyer in this particular case. So it's an incredible story,

despite being a Canadian story. Please don't dismiss it. This guy has deserves your consideration as a unique serial killer that you must read this book to have any inclination on how the serial killer really really thinks. Anyway, well, thank you for listening to the program. Any comments please contact me you know how to do that. Stay tuned next week for the casey Anthony case by Dan Fanning. It's called Mummy's Girl of Being an on core performance.

And after that are Barry Flowers with Sex Slave Masters incredible journalist, incredible story, don't miss it. And after that Anthony di Stefano with mob Killer Again. Some incredible shows coming up in the near future, and I'll keep you posted for stuff that happens later in July. We're trying to get the story of Colonel Williams, another Canadian story

that rivals any in America. Colonel Williams with a book called on a New Kind of Monster, very very very interesting case that captivated the world just in the last in this last six months or so. So anyway, thank you very much for listening. You've been listening to True Murder, the most shocking killers in true crime history, with your host Dan Zupanski. Please join me tomorrow if you get

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