THE MURDER OF BIGGIE SMALLS-Cathy Scott

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Biggie Smalls born Christopher Wallace and performing as a Notorious Big, grew up in the Bedstye neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, where he dropped out of high school to pursue street culture in his rapping style. Biggie began m seeing his original raps, which were discovered by producer Sean Patty Combs,

who took Biggie's gangsta image to the next level. Fame followed two successful rap albums earning millions of dollars, a nineteen ninety six Billboard Rapper of the Year award, marriage to R and B singer Faith Evans, a public affair with rapper Little Kim, and hanging out with Tupac Shakur. The high life for Biggie tragically ended March ninth, nineteen ninety seven, after a Los Angeles post Awards party, where he was gunned down in a drive by, much like

friend turn enemy Shakur six months earlier. Twenty four years later, LA police still have made no arrests, despite their early confidence that the case would be solved quickly, and after revealing identities of persons of interest who worked for the police department, they dropped the investigation before it ended, stalling the case. Best selling true crime author Kathy Scott shares

it all in this second edition. Books were featuring this evening as the Murder of Biggie Small's the second Edition, with my guest journalist and investigative investigative journalists and author Kathy Scott. Welcome back to the program, and thank you so much for this interview Kathy Scott.

like a drive by, similar to Tupac's. And and lots of mistakes were made at the beginning, lots of confusion, and and the rampart investigation of corruption at the l A p D was going on at the time, and they kind of had their hands full, and it never the case. You know. I started interviewing people, of course from day one, because you know, I had done the Biggie the Tupac case, and it was just a natural for me to go into that. And they wouldn't give

up the autopsy report the county won it. They wouldn't give I mean, I interviewed detective after detective and went to LA went to Van Parker Stentner, which was LAPD's headquarters, and they just weren't coughing up any information. It was odd to it almost felt like they didn't want to solve it. I love challenge you know, I love a challenge, so I go after it. So you know, I interviewed a ton of people, a ton of people.

a stage. So let's just go to that event, okay, being booted, and then we can go backwards in time to talk about secure uh Tupac and the shooting at the Quad Studios, which seems to be the impetus for all of.

his producer at the time. And he stood up and he was excited to go, and he had told his mother in a conversation, because I did interview his mother

and he got up and he was booed. But it was California and they were you know, it was East Coast West Coast rap War, and that was the result of their alliance and allegiance the fans to Tupac and there's Biggie from the East Coast and had been staying there for a month, you know, recording with Puffy Combs, and he was on their turf and they weren't happy. So he just worked through it and tried not to let it bother him. But it was almost an omen

of what was going to happen next. I don't believe the East Coast West Coast rap War itself is part of it, but I think it's up to cover up the crime.

and they went into the parking garage. It was full, so they kind of went down the street and parked on the street. There were lots of LAPD off duty cops there who were were seen before and after as they were walking in and as they were walking out, So they had to walk down the street and they

were very visible. You know, he was a big guy, well known, and they always have an entourage with him, you know, bodyguards and off duty police officers, worthy bodyguards, and so they make quite a splash when they go in and out so it's easy to be seen. And then they had the party and the police break it up at eleven o'clock or twelve o'clock whatever it was,

or firefighters break it up because it's two full. Too many people are there, so they opened all the doors and had everybody leave, and they walked out, you know, there was a huge crowd and got into their car. And in order to be able to or their vehicles through these suburbans, and in order to be able for someone to then pull up on the right of them that I mean the person was watching, had someone on the ground had to be telling him, okay, go, they're

there now. And then he was in the middle car. Puffy Combs was in the one in front of him, and they were to stop light, waiting to turn and onto Wilship Boulevard. I believe Fairfax. I think they were on and boom, boom boom. Car comes out, you know, sticks out the window and shoots into the passenger's side like Bonnie and Clyde, you know, rather a tat tat all over the car. And I think it was I'd

have to remind myself. I think it was two bullets set in him and of course it was a chess one that did it.

they didn't catch him. They took out out after him, but they didn't catch him, which I found rather unusual for police officers to haul after a vehicle right on its tail and lost them. And uh, then, yeah, I don't know if there's anything and that that you know, the people you know who were who are a key of one person at least there's another who was accused of being a part of it and ordering it, hiring the person to do it is was a police officer.

And and and there were l A p L A p D. And there were l A p D officers who you know, uh uh, Biggie's cousin remembered seeing them. They all, you know, these guys were blood some of them, and they were you know, members of the Piru Blood street gang, and they're they're cops. You know, they were cops on the l A p D Force, which is sort of an interspersing of those sort of things they do overlap unfortunately back then. Uh so it's all, you know, it's it's it's as if though there were two there

were two police sketches as well. One was done from from witness at the scene, a couple of them, and the police schedule artist you know, did this drawing of the shooter and it changed and a second drawing was done with no name attributed to it.

in Compton, went to l a, I'm sorry. I went to Vegas with his homies and an uncle to see the Mike Tyson fight. He didn't have a ticket to get in, so he's waiting in a lobby near the lobby for his friends to come back after it was over. It was a real quick fight. Tupac and his entourage saw him, spotted him leaning up against the wall while you know, spotted Orlando. And Orlando they'd gotten into beef

with him two months earlier. One of Tupac's homies and so Tupac and his friend and shouldn't I Tupac's producer, all started beat him up. He was on the ground. They're kicking him and pouncing on him. Orlando, you know, did not want to press charges. And then six months later he ends up at the Peterson Automotive Museum to enjoy the party there that he was also Orlando had a studio and Compton apparently in a garage and he was starting to rap, and so he was trying to

hang out with rappers and that sort of thing. So the motivation on his being there is coincidental. I think. I don't think there was anything connect that. It was just an odd circumstance.

interfering or anybody knowing that he was there. Tell us more about this quad studio shooting.

the studio. And they had rented you know, Booker had rented studio times. So when you're not at his studio on time, you're you're paying for it. And so he kept calling, you know, kept calling to Puck, where are you? Where are you? It wasn't because they am to set you up and try to get you killed, you know, or shot. It wasn't that. It was that he was anxious where they had kuzzi because they had a studio time and and and you know, time is money at a recording studio.

Hanging off of it. And this from everything I can surmise. I went to went to KLUD Studios, interviewed and manager there. I also went to the Manhattan Police station that was you know, and that was investigating the case. They only investigated it for a week and there just wasn't they didn't have any evidence. There was a camera there and the lobby at KLUD Studios, but didn't have any film in and which is typical for places. It wasn't like they had it the day before and they took it

out that day. But Biggie, you know, Tupac was in the middle of a rape case as well and had to appear in court the next day. And he felt like once he got shot, you know, so he's in quad, he's in, he's in. He shot himself, you know that, right, Tupac shot himself.

see them. I think this is everything I've gotten is they're walking on the street about to go into the lobby of Quad Studios, and these guys see them, and they've got all this gold all over them, and they follow them into the lobby and start ripping their jewelry off of them, just start yanking the jewelry off. And those guys were not and correct me if I'm wrong. It's been you know, it's a lot of information, but

I don't believe those guys were armed. If they were, they didn't shoot the bad guys and Tupac and I think it was his cousin trying to get his gun, or he was getting his gun and his cousin was trying to stop him or something. Anyway, Tupac's gun went off right into his groin, you know, and he lost the you know, he lost the testicle because of it. And and so he's shot, but not not fatally or anything, but it's an injury, a bad injury. And they go

to the lobby and they're buzzy buzzy. The guys take off. Who did this to them?

were there too. And so then the next day Tupac goes to court and ends up in jail pending this rape trial. And from months earlier, and he's in jail, he's told, hey, hey, Biggie set you up. Biggie was there, He's the one who he did. And Tupac believed it. He believed that Biggie Smalls and Sean Combs set him up to be shot at Claud Studios, even though it was just it looked like a rob a robbery opportunity.

It was a robbery of jewelry, and nobody knew. Nobody could give a good description in any of the guys who pulled off the robbery. Couldn't. There was no no no one. There were nobodies, no one. Any of the people were associated with, but that's what's parked the hip hop wara. And that's when Biggie and Tupac became real rivals instead of buddies and Tupac bringing him up on the stage, which he often did. Tupac ut Biggie on the stake. He helped make him famous, and Biggie was upset,

you know, about the whole thing. And because he didn't have anything to do with at all, evidence points to you know him not and the police didn't pursue the case. The initially I thought it was different, but that it wasn't. They didn't pursue the robbery case because they had nothing to go on, nothing, and they pursued it for a week and two and then Tupac won it. Talked to them and they said they dropped it because you know, the victim want it cooperate, but you know, victims died.

You don't have to have the cooperation of the victim, as you know, to investigate a case dead victim. You don't not cover a murder because the victims daddy and can't cooperate. But there wasn't anything to go on and they would have been spinning their nail on their heels. I mean I don't know if they checked any pawn shops to see if they could find the jewelry. A lot of it was pretty prominent, prominently known, like the death Row gold medallion, things like that, and there was

always a bounty on one of those. But I don't think anybody intended to kill Tupac that night. You know, the only gunshot fired was was his. But that's, you know, the beginning, that that was it for the East coast, West coast, that's where it began.

course Tupac is considered West coast. So in September of ninety six in Vegas, tell us about Tupac is supposed to attend a Mike Well does attend a Mike Tyson Bruce Selden heavyweight boxing match in Vegas again was supposed to happen afterwards, Well.

I've learned shows, and they did. They did drive to Vegas and a white a rented white Cadillac, and the gunman's arm, you know, came out of that white Cadillac, and so Orlando and those guys kept going back and forth. They went down to Club six six two waiting for the white Cadillac, Orlando and his homies waiting for cupacin and and Shug Night to show up. And they did it.

And there was a line around Club sixty six two for people waiting to get in, and all the bodyguards were down there, and only one was with the entourage driving to it. And so had the shooting occurred at Quad Studios, which is apparently where they wanted to do it, there would have been a lot of people shot because so many people, it would have been a melee, you know.

And instead they were circling and they saw Tupac and you know, his his at one point he was standing up in the in there in the BMW, you know, he was sitting with shig Nai and Tupac was was riding shotgun and he at one point stood up in the in the sun roof of the of the car, and so you know, the windows are down his music's plane. And they you know, they had a big entourage, you know, lots of cars four or five behind them, so they

weren't hiding who they were. And and uh, Orlando and his homies came up on them on the street and it's just you know, just one straight, you know, two mile trip from Flamingo where they were, and they were just circling, coming back and forth on Flamingo to get you know, waiting for him, and they happened to see him, and so that's when they opened fire and got him, you know, and open fire into the passenger. The wind those were down, so they could see who it was.

They were aiming for Tupac, but you know, shig was on the other side, and I think they're probably aiming for him as well, because he was beating up Orlando. Also, you know she'd participated in the beating of Orlando. You have to look at gang mentality and there's nothing nothing organized about. It is quite disorganized. But it's a two for you did this for me, You did this to me, I do this to you. You know. They beat him up. Then they went and they retaliated. That's what they do,

street justice, they call it. There's nothing, you know, anything behind the scenes. It was just a moment they retaliated against him and killed him.

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of these people. The fastens that evening tell us what happens after this shooting.

They leave to get away, and the Cadillac goes in another direction, and two police officers were on the scene and up up above, two bike cops up above their parking garage right there, saw it and ran down. They left the scene of the crime, the shooting. They heard the shooting because they were right there, and they followed Shig's car and he ended up going up on the median, getting flat tires, hitting Las Vegas Boulevard and the strip

and ended up two blocks away on this strip. In the meantime, you know, cars are driving all over the crime scene and the Cadillac takes off and disappears, never to be seen again. And so Shugar ends up at the hospital overnight. Tupac of course, is in the trauma unit, and then Shig does visit uh Tupac during during the week he's and the police did not go to Shug Knight's room to interview him, and he checked out the next morning and they didn't interview him for it was

weeks and Tupac never regained consciousness. He was in a coma the entire time, so police were not able to

interview him. But there was lots of talk, and especially because the East Coast West Coast Rap War, Biggie was accused as well as being a part of it, what had to be Biggie because of the East Coast Rap Rap War, East Coast West Coast Rap War, and the media and the music industry really hyped that up and it sold records, you know, the East Coast West Coast Rap War, and so that, of course, fans and all kinds of people were surmising they're all kinds of conspiracy theories,

you know, surrounding Tupac's murder and then six months later, you know, Biggie smallsket gets killed. Well, it must have something to do with the East Coast West Coast rap War, which the people who shot him, the person who shot him. I think that's what was intended to try to make it look like it was connected. But it was connected

by the people who knew. But it wasn't any valiation or anything like that, because that was should Knight was accused of it being, you know, for it being a retaliation for Biggie's Biggie for Tupac's murder, but it wasn't retaliation, but it certainly was. You know, I think that Biggie Smalls was Tupac's biggest rival. You know, Tupac helped make

him famous. But after Tupac died and Biggie just you know, Tupac had a lot of music that was was unreleased and so that has come out since and he continued to stay very high in in in the sales. But Biggie was just flying high, you know, after that, and you want to take out one of your rivals and Tupac music kill him, you know, that appears to be what happened from everything I found.

plus Crips members. His record producer Sean Combs hired bodyguards who were Crypts members of the Streat King, the Crypts Street King as bodyguards. And you know, they're not trained bodyguards. You know, some of them might be muscular. I don't know. They come in all sizes, but for some reason he hired them for bodyguarding and Seawan Combes wasn't paying the bill, and that that was true, that he wasn't paying them, and so the rumor was that, you know, and Biggie

was budding up with them. They didn't appreciate it because you know, he was from the east, from the East Coast and they were on the West coast and the rap War and they they to get to to Combs for not paying the bills. They took out Biggie, but that wouldn't make sense because they that wanted to have given them any money. You know, it doesn't even make

sense why they would do it. And it was pretty pretty orchestrated the way the thing went down, and gang members or anything but organized in orchestra to pull that off at the Pietersturn Automative Museum. So but that that was investigated and then it tan out.

not cutting him into the outlaws. What was the straight out Compton, Straight out of Compton movie? Unrelated? But so Sugar is in prison, but still you know, David Mack had visited him recently, right before, right before Biggie's particulars right right before Biggie was Uh, I'm sorry, I'm messed up on the dates here, but but they they were still in communication. However it was, and Dave Mac should

should ordered. This is what There's an FBI report. The FBI only the FBI has no jurisdiction over murder cases. They only have jurisdiction over murder cases if they involved if the accused is a police police officer. So the FBI was investigating it. And of course, if you investigate Biggie's you have to investigate Kupax at the same time to rule anything out. But they were investigating Biggie Small There should Knight and David mac for the murder of Biggie Smalls and and a man by the name of

Amir Mohammed. I forget what his real name is. Start the last name of Harold or something that ends with the B. The last name is the B bullets or something, and he uh that yeah, that should Knight ordered it, and David Mack then found the guy to do it and had a mer do it, and he disappeared a mirrored pair. No one could find him. He's a realtor.

But they're all gang related. They're all David Mack was mem piru apparently, and he I think I think he's I think he served time for an unrelated case and he may be not with the l a p D anymore.

The l a p D, I mean, the FBI surmised that that was what happened, but the and and Valletta Wallace had a case against I interviewed her at length, but she had a case against the l a p D for wrongful death because she believed that members of the l a p D were involved, and and she she told me, and she told reporters that she would never drop the case, she would never go to la

again until the police solved her, solved the case. And then suddenly the police dropped the case, say they have you know, they're they're not investigating the case any longer. They stopped pursuing David mack should Knight and I bought amor or whatever it is mohammed and just dropped the case. And it's a cold case now, even though they know who did it. And then Philada Wallace, Biggie's mother, withdraws

her case and it's dismissed. So I don't know if there was a settlement in her case with the police department that wasn't made public. But it's very surprising that she after adamantly seeing over and over to the media four years, and then that one case was dismissed and she turned around and refiled. And it's that refiling case that she that Malta Wallace dropped, you know. So I think maybe there might have been excuse me, a quiet settlement of some sort, because I don't see her doing

it otherwise. But it's you know, hopefully some point another detective will come along in homicide, and another chief of police not there a new one will decide to pursue it because as you know, there is no statute of limitations on murder, so you can't just drop I mean, you cannot pursue a case. But there's no statute of limitations. You can pick it up any any time you want. They could right now based on the evidence they have.

The driver of the shooter drove a Chevy and Paula S S and Paula or what in Paula S And guess what a mere mom and add in his garage that's what he drove in his garage. And I mean that, you know, you have circumstantial evidence, you have evidence he was available that night. You know he didn't have a good alibi. So it's you know, all all of the you know, all of the parts are there. I mean, you need need, means, motive, and opportunity, and it was

all there same. So it it's and so I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna write about it until the cows come home because in both cases, because I believe, I believe they're the underdogs and the police could save their both crimes and especially Biggie's, and they've got everything they need and it's all laid out in the FBI report and there, and there are police reports in there as well. I know they're they're choosing not to pursue it anymore.

from its site, its website. So it was based upon one little gang banger out of Compton who fed him this ridiculous thing. That Biggie was in town and paid a million dollars to a CRYPS member to shoot Tupacket was ridiculous and no evidence pointed to that and she said Biggie was upset that Tupac didn't want to be friends with him anymore. I mean they hung out together a lot. He would Biggie would go to bed Tupac would go to bed Sty in his in his limo and pick up Biggie and a and a buddy of his.

I interviewed that friend of Biggies who used to ride with them. They go to a corner bar and play fuse ball and you know, drink together and just party. And so he was and he would bring him on stage, so he thought they were friends. There are lots of photos of them together, you know, when they were friends. And Tupac bought into that set up at Klutts Studios,

which was just you know, on the opportunity robbery. But he when he died, she said he cried, and the letter did and said he was he was always upset that here's someone he thought was a friend turned heavily on and then very publicly and and and you know, they dissed each other and albums and records and it got pretty pretty nasty and he never he never forgot it.

that night flashing gang sign. So it was, as some people thought, an affront for Biggie Smalls to be and Puff Daddy to be on the West coast, especially shortly after Tupac had been killed, as a as a sign of disrespect. At least that was the story, wasn't it.

of rivalry stories were written about it surrounding it. They got a lot of press out of it, and he stayed for a whole month, and Biggie was actually looking at real estate, you know, thinking about buying a house and living there part time. And he certainly was not welcomed. And but it didn't it didn't put him off. And they, you know, we thought he could buddy up with the Cliffs members. And you know, Biggie Smalls wasn't a gang member.

He didn't hang out with gangs. He you know, he lived on and he sold dime bags on the corner. But he certainly wasn't you know, he's just a two bit player, you know, when he was a teenager, you know, selling dope on the streets. And his mom was a teacher and you know she had to sit down dinners every night. You know, I had a nice home. She made a good home for him. And so he wasn't you know, he wasn't a street kid out all the time.

You know. He he wanted to wear Raiders gears something I don't know, and he hit it up on the roof of his of the apartment building and his mom found it. Because he would change his clothes. He would get dressed for school, then go up change his clothes because he knew his mother wouldn't let him wear that stuff, and so he was trying to be a thug or whatever, but he wasn't. He was just, you know, he's a

nice kid. He spent summers in Jamaica with his grandfather, so he had a good upbringing, far far differently than Tupac. You know, poor Tupac was raised by you know, she was a member of the Black Panthers, but she was a crack addict. And he, you know, he literally was on the streets at times, and you know, and he's like tricity would be shut off because his mother couldn't pay the rent and pay the rent or the electricity, and so he he really did come up from the streets.

Biggie didn't. And that's you know that I think. I think Biggie was naive, and I think Combs was naive and going to La pretending like nothing was going on when you're dealing with some really angry gang members, you know, and because Sue Knight, you know, was member of Mob pyrou and you know, had lots of connections and they didn't appreciate him being over there on their turf. And then the clips were all picked off because Combs wasn't paying his you know, security guard bill to them, and

so it yes, it was. It was almost an accident waiting to happen.

Sean Cones laid low for a long time. You know, a couple they were afraid, Well, if it happened to Biggie, it would the tupacket could happen to us. And so that's why it's so surprising. The letters guard down and they felt comfortable enough, and they went into that turf and and and you know it wasn't there fault that they went over there. There was no you know, Biggie

didn't do anything wrong, you know. But I do believe that people who did it tried to make it look similar to Tupac's murder, which is why I wrote about it, because they were so similar. And that's why the media just picked up on a big time because you know, another very eerily similar crime happened six months later. You know, they have to be related. That's basically what and that's what the that's what the killers wanted us to believe.

were talking to her. She had, you know, Kupac's best friend and cousin who was after scene and those guys are you know, they they're all connected and there everybody's seeing her disinformation. It turned out that the information was correct, according to the FBI reports that that it had to do that was related to Shag Knight and David mack and and Mohamed and that's laid out. It's been written up in all kinds of newspaper articles and analyzed and

everything else. And the police were ready to to indict and they dropped the dropped the cases, you know, and uh so it's an interesting turn, but no one could convince her that it was unrel it to the to the police department. That's her, that's her firm belief, and she was She had that fairly early on because of everybody talking to her. And she's different from uh uh a Fanny Shakur, who you know made she rest in peace, Tupac's mother who died a few years ago of a

heart attack. But to Tupac's mother, A Fanny was all about his legacy and his music, and she wasn't concerned with the conviction of someone. You know, he was gone, this is who he was. She wanted his his him to live on. And whereas b Letta is all about all about solving his murder, that was her. That was her purpose and it's quite different from I'm sure she wants his legacy to live as well, but that was a Fanny's move. From that she formed the foundation and

and kept kept him out there. You know that was a Vanish chorus. That's her legacy as her son as well. The letter all about getting justice.

made him famous. And then Tupac helped helped make him bigger than he was at that point. But he, you know, he did owe his his career too to Sean Combs and and it. You know, he and other people helped

him along the way as well. But you know, he put his all into him Combstead, because he, you know, he put a lot into into Biggie and and you know Biggie worked hard as well, but she Yeah, I don't think there's any love lost there, but I think that, uh, Biggie looked at Sean as a friend and and Sean, of course, you know, if you you heard that song after Biggie was killed, missing you, it's just you know, I tear up listening to it. It's it's and it

and it seemed like it was from the heart. And yeah, he was this big money maker and he made a lot of money off of him, but they considered each other's friends. And maybe the letter didn't know from Biggie how good of a friend he was, but I do believe they were friends. She was, she said, you know, basically she planned her son was self made, but he wasn't. You know, it takes it takes a village.

in her, which is incredible to me. She was the heir to his money and she is the mother of two children, the mother of one of them, right, and she she gave Valletta Wallace her son's estate, which was incredible. People do not do that. And that was said, so you have to give her credit for that was incredible, and she continued to see the children, spend time with them. They spent weekends with her, holidays and anytime she wanted to see the kids. And she has a good relationship

with Faith to this day. But Faith did her a big, big, you know, deal in giving her half of them the state which has allowed she stayed in in Biggie's Teaneck, New Jersey home that he condo he had bought, and that's and that went to Faith as well, and that's where that's where the Letta lived. She moved into it after the sundime. So Faith Faith Faith Evans was incredibly generous to Letta Wallace. It says a lot about her. I think, yeah, well she did what she knew. Yeah,

she did what she knew Biggie would have done. And yeah, it's quite a legacy.

not solved. So I you know, I mean, I'm proud to be a biographer for both Biggie Smalls and Tupac Security because their books are truly biographies, are not just true crime books. So I'm happy to be there biographers and tell their stories.

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