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On a cold, windy December night in 1926, hell was unleashed on a tenant farm near Farwell, the last Texas town before the New Mexico border. Prone to the bottle and fits of rage, the burly man with the smiling blue eyes was in no mood to quarrel with his third wife over his bootleg whisky and sexual abuse of his stepdaughter. He went from room to room in the house, killing his wife and each child with primitive cutting tools and his bare hands. By the time he concluded his bloody work, he had taken the lives of nine family members ranging in age from 2 to 41, committing what one local reporter called “the blackest crime” in the history of the West Texas Panhandle. Husband, father, uncle, embezzler, serial mass murderer, philanderer, child molester, convict, and military deserter, George Jefferson Hassell was many things to many people, most of them bad. His pattern of familicide crime had begun in 1917, when he slaughtered his common-law wife and her three kids in Whittier, California. Later, in Texas, he married his brother’s wife and became stepfather to her eight children. Using Hassell’s confessions and his many interviews with reporters as well as the trial transcripts and reminiscences of those who crossed paths with him in Texas, Oklahoma, and California, Mitchel P. Roth presents the first comprehensive account of the life and crimes of one of the least known multiple murderers in Texas, let alone American, history. Roth situates Hassell’s saga within the 1920s Texas criminal justice system, including the death penalty, which Hassell ultimately received from Old Sparky, the electric chair at Huntsville. THE MAN WITH THE KILLER SMILE: The Life and Crimes of a Serial Mass Murderer-Mitchel P. Roth Follow and comment on Facebook-TRUE MURDER: The Most Shocking Killers in True Crime History   https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100064697978510Check out TRUE MURDER PODCAST @ truemurderpodcast.com

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On a cold, windy December night in nineteen twenty six, Hell was unleashed on a tenant farm near Farwell, the last Texas town before the New Mexico Border. Thrown to the bottle in fits of rage, the burly man with the smiling blue eyes was in no mo to quarrel with his third wife over his bootleg whiskey and sexual abuse of his stepdaughter. He went from room to room in the house, killing his wife and each child with

primitive cutting tools and his bare hands. By the time he concluded his bloody work, he had taken the lives of nine family members, raging in age from two to forty one, committing what one local reporter called the blackest crime in the history of the West Texas Panhandle. Husband, father, uncle, Embsler, Syria, mass murderer, philanderer, child molester, convict, and military deserter. George Jefferson Hassel was many things to many people, most of

them bad. His pattern of familicide crime had begun in nineteen seventeen, when he slaughtered his common law wife and her three kids in Whittier, California. Later, in Texas, he married his brother's wife and became stepfather to her eight children.

Using Hassel's confessions and as many interviews with reporters as well as the trial transcripts and reminiscences of those who cross paths with him in Texas, Oklahoma, and California, Mitchell p. Roth presents the first comprehensive account of the life and crimes of one of the least known multiple murderers in Texas,

let alone American history. Roth situates hassel saga within the nineteen twenties Texas criminal justice system, including the death penalty which Hassel ultimately received from Old Sparky the Electric Chair

at Huntsville. The book that we're featuring this evening is The Man with the Killer Smile, The Life and Crimes of a serial mass murderer, with my special guest, journalist and author and professor of Criminal Justice and Criminology, Mitchell P. Roth, Welcome to the program, and thank you so much for this interview.

Speaker 1

Well, thank you for having me. Thanks, thank you so much.

Speaker 4

First off, tell us how you came to be the author of this book.

Speaker 1

Well, as it turns out, one of my favorite courses to two each has been on murder, serial homicide, and mass murder. And in my early years teaching, I had a young man come up to me after class and tell me that he was related to somebody that was the fifth white person to be electrocuted in Texas and

had committed mass murder. And I don't think he really knew a whole lot about what he did, but it piqued my interest because I had never heard of this person, and I consider myself an expert relatively on all the you know, major serial killers and mass murders. In any case, I asked him if he had any records or family documents, because a lot of people come up with these, you know,

stories and can't document them. And it turns out he did, and he was kind enough to make a copy of what had been gathered by his family members who had gone up to the Panhandle in the nineteen eighties, interviewed some of the last surviving jors and witnesses, and you know, basically had put it into this very short family manuscript. So anyway, I held on too it because I had a lot of other book projects going, and I kept telling myself, this is going to be my next book,

this is going to be my next book. I finally got to the point about three years ago, right before COVID outbreak, that had time to go up to the area that his family had been to and look for court transcripts and go to all the spots and start documenting it all for myself and going full throttle on writing this book. And as a result, I found a lot of interesting facts. I found a lot of interesting

inaccuracies in the family manuscript. And as I went on and on and did further research, which entailed lots of newspapers from around the country, entailed you know, even some pulp nonfiction, you know, detective magazines from the time period, as well as using archives in Austin, Texas State Library and in Huntsville the Texas Prison Museum. So I was able to cobble together the story of a guy who didn't leave my to a pay per trail. He was.

He was uneducated, but very smart, very cunning, and what we know about him, most of it comes from him. So whenever that happens, you need to go look at the ancestor record. You need to go try and you know, find birth records, family records and all of that. And apparently there weren't many people in his family that were proud of him, and he kind of was lost to history.

And I have a huge true crime library at my office, at home and at school, and I've never come across his name, which I'm kind of surprised since he's had He had thirteen victims in total, and that's at least thirteen when you consider, you know, other killers.

Speaker 4

Now, let's talk about the early years, as you call it. He's the youngest of seven children, and his mother is Martha Jane Stovell and his father is James William Hassel. So tell us where they resided and where their background was, and a little bit about what you could cobble together about his early life.

Speaker 1

Well, the family, mostly his immediate family was in the Fort Worth, southern Oklahoma area, just north of the Texas border, and he came from a long line of people that work pretty much agricultural jobs, farming and that sort of thing. And it went as far back as I could where I could find information, and found probably the person that

he probably got a lot of his traits from. It might have been a grandfather who had been a familiar presence in the court system in another part of Texas for arson and some other things, but nothing as nefarious as what he did. And you know, the most interesting things I found was that almost every account of the story has his father being poisoned by a second wife and him deciding in his young teens to go and kill that family. And he admitted this was his first

impulse to commit this type of crime, killing a whole family. Well, you know, it turns out, looking through ancestry dot com and other sites, the parents didn't die when when he said they did. He wasn't out on his own as early as he said he was, and he didn't commit any murders before as far as we know, I should say, his nineteen seventeen slaughter of his you know, first family.

Speaker 4

But you do talk and do have some substantiation of his earliest criminal career, So you talk about in in nineteen oh seven he was indicted for embezzling fifty dollars from his employers. Now, tell us about a little bit about his early criminal career and where he ends up and how much time does he do.

Speaker 1

Tell us about the results. Well, he ended up he was working for a guy that had a gin mill up in the Fort Worth area named sid Ross, and he became kind of a mentor. I'm sure he wouldn't be going to be called a mentor after what happened with his life. But he, you know, basically gave you know, George Hassel, you know, advice, gave him a job and unfortunately gave him some responsibility which entailed, you know, going into town to deliver you know, some cotton and you know,

do some trading. And he had some money that he ended up, he claimed. George claimed that he fell in with some bad ombres and they spent it all. And of course that was the story of his life, deflecting his bad behavior on other people as well. But in any case, he ended up getting arrested for embezzlement. He was about seventeen years old at the time and pushing eighteen,

and he was sentenced to two years in prison. And what this meant at that time was serving this a time in the different prison farm units in the Texas criminal justice system, and you know these have had, you know, terrible, justly terrible reputations over the years, and you know, he documents some of the things that happened to him. I was very lucky and that I was able to find his records in the Texas State Library of what farms he worked on, and I was able to figure out

what his tasks were. And you know, when he talked about what he had to do, whether it was working on a turpentine farm or cutting sugarcane at these different places, you know, this was some of the information I could actually validate. But you know it was for very short periods at each but enough to give you a taste of Texas justice.

Speaker 4

You say that he was released in March nineteen oh nine and he saw a recruitment sign. Men wanted tell us what he does, what decision he makes at that time.

Speaker 1

Well, he was, like many of his ilk, hit poor impulse control, and he would often, you know, make decisions and then think about it later. And in this case, he thought about joining the military might be a good job. And he doesn't really go into a lot of detail, but apparently he joined and apparently he deserted several days later, as you know many people have done in the military, but you know, he becomes a serial deserter essentially. You say that.

Speaker 4

Right after that, he goes and looks for a job. So he goes to who and asks for a job once again.

Speaker 1

Well, he goes back to sid Ross thinking that, you know, you know, perhaps that he'd done his penance and all of that, and sid Ross actually gave him another chance, kind of a forgiving type of guy, it seems, and he helped set George up on his own farm with an agreement that they would split some of the profits. George also got married. He met a young lady. And what's interesting is during this time is sid Ross's employer.

Evidently he knew the family of the woman that he married, and he also was familiar with George's sister, who was often kind of his only family member to give him

any type of sage advice. And anyway, ultimately George did everything he could to kind of make sure that this situation didn't work, and he ended up leaving to find a job somewhere else, leaving the farm and eventually as he claimed, leaving his wife and child, even though he claims there was an agreement for them to kind of separate and they would get back together, but once he found a job, You right.

Speaker 4

Though, that in truth they were they saw his abusive nature, and mother and child took off to their family. And meanwhile, the family had always thought he was either knew he was either a freshly released con or just was more suspicious of him in general and tried to dissuade their daughter from being with them in the first place.

Speaker 1

Well, the interesting thing is that we know probably less about this wife than any of the other women that played a central role in his life. And anyway, he talks about her the most, that she was the love of his life, and that you know, they communicated by letter once a week, and then she stopped writing, and he blamed it all in the family that knew he had been recently released ex con and didn't want him

married to her. Well, in any case, you know, he acted like she left him and kind of hit out from him, and you know, really destroyed his ego and his life. And I bought into this, you know, not to get too far ahead on my research or whatever, but I bought into this until the very end. And I found a letter written forty years after his death

by his only biological son, by his wife. And you know, in the letter he had written to the Texas Department of Public Safety saying he wanted to get information on his father. He didn't know a lot about him, and so anyway, he said the reason they left was because

they were afraid he was going to kill them. And this was right before I turned my manuscript in, and this kind of filled in a nice big gap there, showing that you know from the very beginning that he was a familicidal type of you know, individual.

Speaker 4

Absolutely after this, you write that he enlistened to Navy in San Francisco under his real name, and because he feared his earlier desertion from the army under his mom's maiden name, George Stowell could be revealed through fingerprints. What happens as a result of this plan of his.

Speaker 1

Well, he, as I said, he probably joined the Navy up in that area. Was that's you know, he was in California around this time and looking at you know, where the bases were and all that. And he deserted shortly after that as well. And you know, one of the problems with his desertion record is I couldn't find any of it in the military records, and I couldn't find it in any of the prison records, because he claimed he'd served time in Leavenworth and Mayor Island in

California and a couple other places. So the only thing I could go by was the years in which he really wasn't active doing anything else. And there was like a three or four year gap before World War One, leading up to World War One, where he must have been either in jail or you know, on the lamb somewhere. But I do believe that he spent two years in

succession of jails. I don't know which ones was he you know, he claimed he was in Virginia, he claims he was in California, and without those records, you know, you cannot substantiate it. But you know, just from everything I've learned about him, I this is what I what I assume looking at a lot of different accounts.

Speaker 4

Once he's released from prison, he you righte that he tries to reconcile with Minnie, and she was with her family in Texas. What happens with this attempt to reconcile and what does he do after after that?

Speaker 1

Afterwards, well, he claims that a couple of times he tried he wanted to see his son, James Delbert, and you know, so he would buy gifts and he wanted to, you know, come visit her in the family, and you know, she finally let him, according to you know, you know, his accounts and others, see the kid as long as he didn't share the fact that he was the father.

And anyway, none of these visits went well, and you know, he ended up kind of being ostracized from the family and just basically told to you know, hit the road and don't come back. And after leaving the Fort Worth area, he claims that he ended up in San Angelo, Texas. And in San Angelo he met a woman named Marie Vogel. I really doubt that this actually happened. I mean, it's a nice story, but in any case, she apparently had a boarding house and he's sweet talked to her and

pretty soon they're living together. And she had a biological child and she was separated from her husband in San Diego, and so they agreed to hit the road and go to California, and you know, kind of start over it together.

One of the problems with this story is, you know, she's got this kid, and that reminds him also of one of his child He's never mentioned as he's talking about his road trip and some of the things that he pulls along the way where they, you know, try to pull these extortion schemes, luring men into the bedroom when he's not there and him coming upon them and you know, demanding money to allow the person to leave it. Just you know this, it just doesn't this bunko scheme

and all that just doesn't sound right. I think what probably happened is he never met her in sant ane Angelo. There was no reason for her to be there, you know, there was she had no family or friends there, and that he probably met her when he went to California and got a job working on a ranch where she was working as kind of a kind of a caretaker mate and had her child there. You know, That's why

I think happened. It's a great story, like most of his stories, but you know, looking at you know, whatever records I could find it, there was nothing to substantiate that. I couldn't find her in any type of telephone directory or anything from that time period in San Angelo, Texas, and you know San Angelo was kind of the frontier. You know, what is she doing out there?

Speaker 4

You're right that she was born Marie Serlin. Her sister was Her sister was Gertrude Hoffman, and she lived in Pittsburgh. She's a central character in this story as well. She said she knew him only as a ranchan named Baker. So tell us what happens after with this relationship.

Speaker 1

Well, he ends up on this ranch, living on it as a doctor's spread outside Whittier, California, And you know, he's basically a ranch hand. And you know, from what I can determine, she was working there as well, and her sister came to visit and was introduced to him, and it seemed they were the only two people on the ranch. You know, they were the caretakers, and in all probability

were a couple by then. And you know, he introduced himself as a gee, George G. Baker, and you know, basically I was trying to, of course, you know, hide his background. And one of the things they needed to do, since she was married, was to assume the facade of being a married couple with a child in order to be accepted there. In any case, they end up getting two other children as well, that they supposedly got from an orphanage, claiming that they were a rich person, and

they ended up with these two other kids. And really it's hard to tell how they got these two kids. Some accounts say the sister brought them them. Others say that they got him through some type of orphanage arrangement. But in any case, by this time, about nineteen seventeen, nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventeen, him and Marie and these three little kids, and they're all under the age of six,

are living on this ranch. And if the sister goes back home, back to the Pittsburgh area and never sees her sister again, and George ends up telling people when she disappears and the kids disappeared, that they had moved on. She'd run off with another guide to Australia or San Francisco, and he continued to live on the property that they had that they were renting.

Speaker 4

And Wittier you right though, that there was a next door neighbor, Missus Shanker and her daughter Myrtle. What did she notice and observe a few weeks before this disappearance.

Speaker 1

Well, they had seen George digging under the house and in the driveway and that sort of thing. They didn't know exactly what he was doing. George would have an explanation later on, but you know, basically removing dirt. And shortly after they noticed all this, the family had disappeared, and he continued to work under the house and live in the house. And they asked him, was that they knew her a little bit. They would come over and visit with Marie and liked her very much, and question, well,

where'd they go? You know, you would think they would say goodbye, And he said, oh, they just took off. And this becomes this mantra whenever there is a family disappearance throughout the rest of his life. You right, though, that.

Speaker 4

The next door neighbor is pretty persistent and reports her suspicions to a police officer. What happens as a result of that, She's team points to activity in this garage.

Speaker 1

Right, everything seemed kind of fishy to her, and she contacted the Whittier Constable's office and they sent over a guy named Bob Way over to the house. And he sounds like he just did pretty much a cursory inspection. But by this point George had murdered the family and buried them under the house and did a very good job job of it. He would say that to his dying day that he did a great job, you know, getting rid of the bodies, and he couldn't come up

with anything. He couldn't find the bodies or you know, anything like that. And he still knew this family as George G. Baker. And this would become a problem later on when they're trying to parties are trying to you know, find George Hassele and Wittier at that time, which they would not find.

Speaker 4

So you write that Gertrude, he continues and is persistent with police and continues to querry them to what might have happened to her sister and the children. However, there was no report back from them of any progress in the investigation. And as you say, George G. Baker as he's known, leaves town, and now he leaves with his real name, George Jefferson Hassel. He joins the Merchant Marines, as you say, and works in the oil fields. Based on your research in nineteen twenty two and twenty three,

but on several occasions. You write that he visited his brother and his large family in Blair, Oklahoma, on the ranch between nineteen twenty and nineteen twenty four. Tell us about Tom, his brother and his wife Susan Ferguson, both nineteen years old.

Speaker 1

Well, Tom was his only brother, and apparently he was the closest sibling to him and his rather large family. And you know, and since his brother and his family all lived on a farm and you know, pretty much were very provincial folks and just stayed in one place. He would come back with all of these stories from California and the military, and no doubt he talked much about prison. But he, you know, was a favorite, especially among the adolescent and teenage girls in the brother's family.

And he had by this time, he had eight children, and you know, and soon would be his wife Susan would be pregnant with it with another child. Well, in any case, for some reason, they allow one of the daughters to go to California with George on a trip. And this is around nineteen two, twenty two or so,

and she comes back or she stays out there. Apparently she's pregnant, and George admits to having slept with her, and you know, didn't go into a lot of detail, but it was pretty obvious to understand this, and so she was going to stay in California and look for a husband. In his words, again, she was still a minor, you know when this was happening. And he goes back and you know, to see the rest of the family again. He's very popular with them. He's a joker, he always

a smile on his face. I mean, he's a complete chameleon. He's everything that you want him to be when you want him to be it essentially, and you know, on these trips back home, you know, really nothing really happened of note, except for the pregnancy, and he tried to you know, pretend that he had nothing to do with it. And I think his mother, his sister in law, you know, you know, believed that he had impregnated her. And you know,

this was a long running issue. And the brother, you know, seemed to be a down to earth, successful, hard working guy. He had some health problems at this time, and you know, he was well known in the community, and George was kind of a cipher you know when he came to visit, you know, he was just a you know, kind of

the brother that was there. And anyway, one day they're working in the corral by most accounts, and George claims that his brother was kicked by a mule and killed and they were the only two in the corral at the time, and so everybody you know went by, you know, George's count and you know, if you look at the death certificate, it said he died from a hernia, some type of hernia, and it you know, just it didn't sound quite right, and a lot of people suspected, you know,

that it might not have gone down that way. But in any case, there are still others that suggested, you know, maybe there'd been some hanky panky between George and Tom's wife. Others suggested that maybe they got in a fight over him impregnating the daughter. We'll never know, you know, what the with the attention and the story was, or if he really was killed by the it was a mule, actually killed by the mule. We right, really don't know that.

Speaker 4

Yeah, you're right, that was a strangulated hernia. But she got a modest insurance policy payout, you say, about sixteen thousand and twenty twenty terms of money. What is what happens. Weirdly enough, we mentioned it in the introduction. What happened shortly after between the two, Well, he ends up marrying the brother's wife.

Speaker 1

You know, they take a biblical approach to this, taking over the brother's family, and she's what's called a Russellite, kind of like a Jehovah witness, and they consulted the Bible together and thought that it would be okay if they married and he'd take over raising the eight children, which and this was like three months after the brother was killed, and in Oklahoma, I'm sure there was a lot of whispers going on, and you know, they felt that the best action would be to hit the road,

you know, with the family and with the insurance payout essentially.

Speaker 4

And where did they go to December nineteen twenty five, Well, they end up.

Speaker 1

And you know it's not real clear why they ended up there, but they went to Farwell, Texas or just outside Farwell, Texas, and they end up becoming tenant farmers on a judge's land there. And they're only there for you know, they are there for the next year. The kids are in school there. He's making his presence known in town. He's kind of a loud type of guy. He you know, he's someone that makes his presence known right away. And I doubt this town had ever seen

someone like George Jefferson. Hassel and the wife worked hard doing you know, the chores that a planes woman would be doing, and apparently, you know, they did a good job, you know, keeping the property up and all of that. In fact, neighboring farmers said, you know, he did a

much better job than would be expected. And really any of his jobs in California, and no one really knew him, nobody could really speak to you know, what kind of made him tick, and so you know, all of it was was that smile of his that was so disarming.

Speaker 4

You're right by the fall of nineteen twenty six that the couple is quarreling quite a bit, and he claims that she's always taking the side of the children. This is a five room house with ten people, and you write it. By December twenty sixth, nineteen twenty six, he had a master respectable amount of property, including thirteen head of cattle, ten horses and mules, chickens, rabbits and hogs, and plenty of feed and farming equipment. Tell us what

Missus Hamlin, the landlady Judge Hamlin's wife. What does she notice in on October of nineteen twenty six concerning the property.

Speaker 1

Well, one of the first things she noticed was him he had two of his kids building a kind of a storm cellar or some type of you know pit that he would claim would be for protection, you know, from storms, and that sort of thing. Was They already had a root seller for keeping things cold and all that in the ground, and she was always wondering why they needed to build another one, and and then about trying to think the family kind of disappears out of nowhere.

And what led up to that was the fact that the wife and George have been quarreling. You know, this is the prohibition era. She's very religious and Russell Whites don't allow alcohol in the house, and he always has a kind of a bit of an alcohol air to him, and he goes out in the barn and drinks whiskey from time to time. But I think even worse than that, he apparently had impregnated another one of her children, one of his former nieces. So now he's impregnated two nieces

that are that are his step kids. And you know, he really doesn't want to hear about it. When he's going to bed, you know that, you know that he has done this. And when he comes to bed, he has alcohol in his breath and she basically basically kind of chases him out of the room temporarily. You know, it kind of starts, it starts the tragedy rolling that would you know take place.

Speaker 4

You right that the baby is sleeping with them, The two year old Sammy is with them in the bed. The children are divided up in the separate five rooms. The older son, Alton is away working, I believe. And so tell us what it seems happens that night December second, and why, well, it seems that night.

Speaker 1

As you noted in the prologue, you know, all hell was unleashed. He said he didn't remember doing it, but he picked up some type of ballpeen hammer and started beating his wife with it once she told him for the last time, talked to him about the alcohol, and when the baby started crying, who was in bed with her, he killed her the baby as well, and he finished it all up by strangling them. And so he decided at that point that you know, he once he started he had to finish the job in his terms, and

which would mean killing the rest of the kids. And so he went from room to room, killing them in their sleep, and until he got to two of the you know, teenage preteen boys who were hardy farm workers, and they gave him, you know, quite a fight, and he ended up having to get a shotgun, which was the only gun that was used in these killings, to kill one of them. But he strangled all the other kids, the really young ones, and used razor blades, and you know,

it was a very personal type of killing spree. You know, could have been done much easier with just a gun. And so anyway, he was worried that, you know, he knew he had to get rid of the bodies because his oldest son was supposed to come back the next day. Alton was about twenty one, and he would he was out on a work crew, and so he had to you know, develop an alibi. And all of this explained that they had all gone off to Oklahoma, when in fact he had buried them all in the pit that

he had dug. And the question, you know, remains that he dig this pit ahead of time. Was this something that was pre planned or was it spontaneous, and I have a tendency to believe that it was pre planned. And since it was kind of similar to his first mass.

Speaker 4

Murder, now he had to wait for Alton, and so he made preparations. Then Alton arrives to demonstrate this person's diabolical nature. What is the interaction that you write about with he and his son, Alton?

Speaker 1

Well, George tells Alton that the family had gone up to Oklahoma, up the shallow Water and he would be following suit. You know. Some of the explanations he gave is, you know, they weren't comfortable there anymore, or this or that, and Alton, you know, had a tendency to believe what his uncle said. And so they sat down, had dinner. George got him drunk. Basically, they played some cards. Alton went to bed and he didn't notice anything out of

the ordinary in the house when he was there. And in the middle of the night, George went in and shot him on his point blank in the head with a shotgun. And he would later say he died the easiest of all of them, you know, which is pretty much true. But at that point he'd wiped out, you know, the nine family members. Luckily, the first, you know, the woman, the girl that he had had a child with, had moved to California, stayed there and found a husband, so

she was the one remaining member of that family. And nobody heard a thing. Nobody heard the shotgun or anything like that, and he got everybody buried. And interesting, you know, he rather than flee right away, he sent you figured, well, I stayed around the last time I buried the four bodies, and nobody found out, and I just stayed in the house. So he decided to do that here. But I think also there was a financial reason too. He wanted to sell all the farm equipment and you know, everything that

he could. He found somebody to take over the lease from him. And you know, one of the interesting things leading up to this is his landlady, Miss Hamlin, had noticed he had some scratches on his hands and on his face, and someone else had too, and this was after he had killed the family, and he told them he'd fallen off a horse into a stubble pile or

stubble bush and that's how he got them. But that was it's the first start, you know, giving people, you know, reason to you know, question you know, his story about well did they actually leave, and also why would he fill that seller in when they just you know opened it. And you know, he wasn't responsible for filling it. He was just a tenant farmer. So everybody kind of marveled at that. But he started advertising a auction that he was going to have of all of his equipment, all

his farm animals and everything. And the auction basically took place right over the graves of his family. And you know, so you know, over one hundred and fifty people came to this. I mean, you know, there's not a whole lot to do on the high planes, and these were times for you know, families, husbands and wives to get together and talk and and you know, share stories. So anyway, he sells almost everything, and you know, really nobody's questioning

anything except the women. There are several women, including missus Hamlin, and they decided to go into the house where which was supposed to be off limits, and they find suitcases full of children's clothes and things that his wife would have taken with him when they were going up to their new home. And also she left behind all of her religious books. So they started, you know, really questioning

this missus Ford, missus Hamlin. They went to their husbands with their suspicions, and then the husbands took it further and went into town and talked to a law enforcement Let's Jesus as an opportunity.

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Speaker 1

And the women in there that their.

Speaker 4

Neighbors are also talking to people like their husband's Jo Ford, and other people in the community, and they go talk to the sheriff, as you had mentioned before the break tell us what happens with their investigation.

Speaker 1

That's how they proceed. Well, when Georgia comes into town occasionally, that's where the bank is and everything, and you know, basically they want the sheriff and the district attorney for Palmer County. I want him to come in and just to talk to them. And he really seems, you know, he's not that suspicious about what they want. Although anytime you're called into a sheriff's office and you know you get kind of nervous. But he thought he'd covered all of us tracks pretty well, and so got to the

point pretty quickly, you know, where'd your family go? And he went with his old story, and he basically told them that, you know, that they could telegraph send a telegram to a certain person in shallow Water that would say that the family got there safely. And so the attorney wanted to arrest George, but you know, they both got their heads together, the sheriff, Sheriff Martin and the attorney, and decided, you know, they would just keep an eye

on him as he went about his business. And he told the bank to let them know if he was withdrawing money or doing anything that might suggest he was ready to flee town. So they had an eye on him, and their suspicions mounted and were finally, you know, confirmed when they got a telegram back from the person they sent it to saying that the family never got there. The family's not there. And Cassel, you know, didn't know

that this was done, you know, at this point. And so in any case, he goes about his business, goes back home, he has dinner with the new leases who are living with him, a husband and wife, and that night, after a meeting with all of the people in town, he was starting to, you know, feel the walls kind of collapsing on him, you know, that he might you know,

being you know, danger of you know, being caught. And in the middle of the night he yells out that, you know, for the guy who's leasing the house to come in his room, that he needs help, and he's got blood all over him. It turns out he'd stabbed himself a bunch and he said, go get the sheriff, and go get you know, other the doctor and so forth, and so it looked like his attempt to kill himself.

He didn't say why or anything like that. And obviously, you know, as soon as this took place, people began to put two and two together. Perhaps you know, that he felt guilty, or you know, he just couldn't take it anymore. So they end up the sheriff comes comes in there and with the help and they take him to the sanitarium, the Baptist sanitarium and Clovis, which isn't real far away, and they treat him and he survives

all of this. But at the same time, everybody is convinced that the secret to where the family is, especially once they got the response that they hadn't reached it, that they were in the uh, you know, the filled in cellar root seller, and they get a group together, they unbury the body as they find it all out and George meanwhile, he's been treated at the hospital, he's

in jail. He doesn't know the bodies had been found, and he doesn't know that someone did not support his contention that his family had reached where he said that they were going right away. You write that the first discovery is the most terrific.

Speaker 4

It's the baby and a baby's arm and up to an elbow in a baby's hand, and so the gig is up. But he doesn't know, he's not aware that these discoveries have been made, and the sheriff wants to use the ruse with him to try to get him to confess potentially. So what happens as a result of this ruse, Well, they.

Speaker 1

Go to you know the jail, and they go to you know the jail where he's you know, recovering and basically tell him you know again. They go over his story and they say, well, you know, we got an answer back. Your family never reached there, and you know, at this point, you know, he kind of gives up the subterfuge and you know, kind of cops to what

he did. He gives the details, the horrific details of what he does in this confession, doesn't he, Yes, he kind of relishes, in fact, repeating it over and over again.

Speaker 4

Now, of course the police, the sheriff is making arrangements, but also at the same time they realize very very quickly that maybe the story of his brother's accidental death there might be something more to it.

Speaker 1

Right from the very beginning, George claimed that he wasn't even in the vicinity when the brother was killed, that he was down in New Orleans waiting for a ship, because you know, a merchant marine ship. But he says this in quite a few interviews. But then you have the other side. There's lots of accounts that he was the only person there when this took place, and so you know, he protests a little too, you know strong, you know, in this situation, and people were wondering that

he killed the brother. You know, the fact that this seemed to validate the good possibility of that, and of course it brings into question, well, if he killed the brother. Who else did he kill? Because eventually they'll find out. You know, the first mass murder was in nineteen seventeen, the second was in nineteen twenty six, and you know those were his only murders. So it brings up a lot more questions as far as the death toll. What's interesting, we didn't.

Speaker 4

Talk about how it comes that he confesses to the earlier murders of Marie and the three children. How does that come about? You tell it, you right about it with Deputy Hawkins.

Speaker 1

Yeah, he's well, he's in the plane view jail and you know, they don't have him under a lot of security simply he's you know, badly injured. He'd stab himself in the stomach and arms and that sort of thing.

But he called the Deputy Hawkins in to tell him that, you know, basically there's you know, since you know about this, well, this wasn't my first rodeo essentially, and you know, I'd killed a family of four nine years earlier and the bodies have never been found, and you know, most people thought it was George was kind of a bragger that you know, this is a bit of braggadocio on his part. And since this crime had never been reported, so they checked with the Whittier police and so forth, and they

had no reports of a Hassle family missing. They had no reports of any people missing at all there, and you know, and it's almost like he wanted to, you know, prove that you know, he was, you know, much deadlier than they thought. And so he could remember where, you know, where the bodies in the house were. And so here we have him in jail, and you know, basically under his real name, Jefferson Hassle, George Jefferson Hassel, and they can't find any records of him ever living in the

Whittier area. He was living under the name Gee Baker at that time. So anyway, a picture appears in the newspaper of him after his arrest, and he's in I think the first picture of him was in his coal working on the railroad railroad tracks in the oil industry in California, and one of his ex neighbors kind of notices, it wasn't that our neighbor. And here nine years later he's being accused of committing a mass murder. And they're

kind of putting it all together. And so anyway, they reach out to you know, authorities and say, well, you know, we think this is who the person is, this is where he lived, this is Everything seemed fishy the way that family disappeared, and you know, they couldn't find the bodies. The same cop that had gone out there in nineteen seventeen. The last name was Way. I think his name was Bob ray Way. They still couldn't find it. So, you know,

George didn't like to be called a liar. You know, that's the one thing he didn't mind being killed, called a you know, a pedophile, a murderer, but don't call me a liar. And he drew a map when he was in the Walls unit by this time in Huntsville, and he drew a map where to find it, and they published it in the La Times. In fact, it showed where it was. And ultimately, you know, he was able to lead them to the bodies pretty quickly and validate what happened.

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Speaker 4

Now he we mentioned and you write about all of the horrific details that he fills in for authorities, but he does not give up the details of the murder of Marie and the three kids. He refuses to do that, but promises that he will do that at a later date, as the state is asking for the death penalty and

he believed that that might be his fate. Tell us about this seeking the death penalty and also his demeanor on everything that fascinatingly happens after he is indicted for this and is set to be executed.

Speaker 1

Well, one of the things that comes up in the book, and maybe it slows the book down. Was it talks about the appeals process because it took over a year to execute him after he'd been sentenced, and he had to be re sentenced and you know, getting into a lot of the judicial mumbo jumbo. But you know, he had no compunction about, you know, sharing the details of

all his crimes with other prisoners and everybody else. And you know, he wanted to make authorities wait until the you know, he was basically in the chair before he'd reveal you know, all the information on what took place in Wittier. But I think the more they doubted him, the less he could wait, because he wanted that office. He you know, wanted them to say, well, he's telling

the truth more than anything else. And so he gave it up, you know, a lot earlier than he had planned to, or the bodies were buried.

Speaker 4

Do you talk about alienists the term for psychiatrists at that time, and then also interviews by reporters, prestigious reporters. What did they remark and you chronicle some of the things that they saw and observed in speaking with him.

Speaker 1

Well, the psychiatrists, first of all, you know, psychiatry was you know, still kind of in its infancy, you know, in terms of dealing with psychopathy and other types of mental illnesses. But they basically, you know, once they spent a lot of time with them talking about it. They would often say afterwards, we have no better idea why he did it after speaking with him than we did before it. Because he could never explain why he did it or didn't want to explain why he did these crimes.

Speaker 4

They tried to portray him as insane, despite him confessing to these crimes, and despite maybe the rules of insanity being new, what was made of this flea of insanity?

Speaker 1

Well, the problem with it's more illegal than a medical distinction, and it's very hard to you know, to prove even today, even though you know it occasionally happens. But it was more his lawyer that wanted to, you know, wanted this at first, you know, George didn't want to say he was insane or anything, but he kind of went along

with it as time went on. Once he was on death row in Huntsville, he realized, you know, that his only chance of not being executed was to you know, you know, claim insanity, and so of course this came up with the resentencing hearing and all of that, and it pretty much fell on deaf ears simply for the fact of, you know, how much planning was entailed in this crime and the previous crime, and he was as sane as you could be, you know, considering the ability

to tell right from wrong. Was you know, the idea that he would kill himself, you know, over the bodies being found. You know, he knew that was wrong and having you know, remembered that he had the bodies buried and wittier. So psychiatric side of things that, you know, never really played out for him. And the thing is is when you're sentenced to death, you're given an automatic thirty days ninety days you know, to basically be observed

by psychiatrists and everything. And one of the problems was they'd sent him from plainview after he'd been sentenced back down to the death row in Huntsville, when in reality he should have been kept up in plain view until the appeals process played out. So he actually had two stints on death row and one of them was shorter than the other. But you know, he never really talked about being insane or anything. The only thing he could say is, you know, he doesn't know why he did these acts.

Speaker 4

You write about as well the trial itself and the garner the headlines throughout America and probably internationally as well at that time. Tell us about some of the highlights of this trial, and you and your commentary are one of the jury's commentary on the length of the trial, length of the jury.

Speaker 1

Process, and then the deliberations. Well, there was a you know, dozens of witnesses, but the trial was you know, relatively quick for death penalty trial, and the you know, the jurors basically pretty much came to a conclusion very quickly once they were set to make their decision, and they waited longer so that it would seem that they put more thought into it, but you know, it was pretty much to them an open, enclosed case, and they also wanted to you know, there was a lot of animosity.

There was talk about lynch law and people coming in breaking him out and hanging him and that sort of thing, although you know a lot of it was just bluster, and you know, they basically waited until most of the people were gone to you know, from the courtroom to give their you know, sentence again of death.

Speaker 4

I found it interesting. I'd never read something quite like that, where the prosecutor gives his scathing indictment of George Hassel and the defense lawyer breaks out in tears and runs out of the courtroom until he can compose himself.

Speaker 1

H Yeah, that was a kind of wacky because, you know, once the whole process went down, his defense attorney was nowhere to be found, and he was the one who was supposed to, you know, do the original appeals process, and so this kind of you know, screwed that all up. But I think what bothered people the most, you know, even more than the killings was his sexual molestation of his nieces. And I think that bothered them the most.

And this came out during the trial. It wasn't published in most of the newspapers, but it was in the court transcripts. You know, you know, his confession was he confessed to all of this. You know, he basically distanced himself from the second pregnancy simply for the fact that she was, you know, between thirteen and fifteen years old, and he was trying to blame it on someone else who was on the scene at the time it supposedly

took place. And any case, this to most people was seen as the you know, the worst part of the crime.

Speaker 4

You write that he entertained journalists and other people that he was granting interviews till just before the execution, like I mean, right before. But they all commented on his demeanor. Again there you write about they weren't aware of psychopathy pathology, and so they weren't accustomed to it, and so they commented.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean, they were all they were. They were very mystified later on when they you know, kind of shared their interviews with other people about how someone could be so calm, how someone could talk so how much they loved children, which is one of the things he was always saying. He just loved children. In fact, the first child that he killed reminded him of his biological child. And here's a person that could strangle them with you know, no problem at all and talk about it later on

with no absolutely no remorse. You know, people would say, you know, they would say, well, you know, you know, are you know sorry you did this? You're sorry did that? But he you know, there was no mea culp was, you know, forthcoming from him.

Speaker 4

You pose the question in the epilogue that why are legions of criminals and murderers with much much less blood on their hands. Why are they famous and this family annihilator is not.

Speaker 1

Well, that's an interesting question. And if the thing is is that, you know, you wonder why hasn't garnered the

attention of so many other crimes. And you know, this was one of the you know, questions that came up with would anybody be interested in reading this book because it took place kind of in an area that really there's not a whole lot of the historical references about, but it took place out on the countryside in the nineteen twenties, you know, basically, you know, as far as a small community, most of the people wanted to move

beyond that. But no matter what, when you have a crime in that area, you know, it stays in kind of the DNA of the community for a very long time. And you know, and basically, I think that's why other people have never heard about this, which is surprising, and it made me wonder, well, what other cases are there

like this? You know, And so I right now as I'm looking at my next projects, you know, I'm trying to find cases that no one's ever written about, because you know, how many books can you write about Bundy and Dahmer and you know, you know, the Hall of Fame of serial killers, and but I think that the community just wanted to get beyond it because they didn't

want to be marked by this crime. But it's not great for chamber of commerce material and so surprisingly, until recently they were doing a play, a local play, a theater play based on the crime. And interesting when I went up there to start my research, you know, I would go into different places, you know, I thought might be helpful. In fact, the hospital where he was treated where he tried to kill himself as an antique store now and they had kept a lot of the hospital

architecture still there. And I went in there and spoke to a gentleman who ran the place. And as soon as I said I wanted to talk about the George Hassele case, you know, he was ready to kick me out the door because people don't want to talk about it, you know, you know, talk about a Nobel prize winner or you know, prize winning col or something, but not about a murder. But I won his confidence, I will say,

over time. And so anyway, so you know, he shared a little bit of information, but you know, all the witnesses from that time period are gone, and the only thing you have are family members of family members that were involved, and you have their you know, their store is about what happened, and you know, and that was the whole idea of this, is to set the record straight and perhaps you know, bring more attention you know, to this type of crime, to this crime and the Panhandle,

and over time, over the fact, more recently I found there's a lot more interest in this book up in the Panhandle than there is anywhere else, you know, So you know, I'm in talks with doing you know, you know, lectures and book signings and stuff up in the you know, up in the West Texas and Panhandle.

Speaker 4

It's interesting you write about the memorial the basically the historical cemetery plots in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1

Just tell us before I let you go about that. Well, you know, because of the weather and planes and the winds and everything, the original tombstone was very very weathered

and was falling apart. And you know, basically this might have shown too that there was you know a lack of interest or you know a lot of lack of interest of you know, remembering this particular type of crime and anyway, a historical group got together and you know, one of the people that I dedicated the book to a woman named Teresa and Sira, and she's been you know, one of the facilitators for you know, making the cemetery look a lot better, you know, cleaning it up and

getting it with others in the historical associations, a new tombstone. And so she gave me a tour, showed me where you know, this person was buried that was you know, tangential to the crime and it was hard to find the cemetery unless you had local knowledge. But it's brought you know, more attention to it, and there's been some findings you know, of other graves that people didn't know

existed there. You know, I'm hoping maybe this book will bring more attention you know, to the cemetery as a historical place, right and in any case, they have a you know, a beautiful gravestone there that was donated as well as all the help to clean the cemetery.

Speaker 4

Yes, absolutely, I want to thank you very much Mitchell p Roth for coming on and talking about your book, Man with the Killer Smile, The Life and Crimes of a serial mass murderer. For those that might want to take a look at your work, do you do any social media to us all that?

Speaker 1

Well, I'm in the process of putting a website together, but you know, you know, most of the information on my work can be found just googling my name or going on Amazon, which you know has descriptions of all of my books. Absolutely, thank you so much, Mitchell p. Roth.

Speaker 4

The Man with the Killer Smile, The Life and Crimes of a serial mass Murderer. Thank you so much for this interview. You have a great evening.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Dan, Thank you very much. Night.

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