THE JFK ASSASSINATION DISSECTED-Cyril Wecht and Dawna Kaufmann

Nobody else has wexed up close and personal experience in uncovering the facts behind this assassination, and now he is sharing it with the world. Co Authored by investigative journalist Donna Kaufman, this comprehensive book reveals Wex's analysis of the

case's forensic and medical evidence. With his keen eye and sharp tongue, weck wields his scalpel on JFK's dubious autopsy report, the inept Warren Commission report, the misshandling of crucial materials, all of the key players, and the medium malpractice that has allowed the truth to remain hidden for nearly six decades.

The book that we're featuring this evening is the JFK Assassination Dissected, an Analysis by forensic pathologist Cyril Weckt, with my special guest, investigative author and journalist Donna Kaufman and forensic pathologist and author Cyril Weckt. Welcome to the program, Donna Kaufman and Cyril Weckt. Pleasure to be with you, Dan, thank you very much for having thank you very much for this interview. Let's get right to the genesis of this book.

working on it. I think about five six years and a lot of time, a lot of effort, a tremendous amount of research by Donna to correlate with all that I had from my years working on the JFK assassination up to the present time, including just a couple of national conferences that finished up yesterday. And so that's how the book came about.

Attorney of Alleghany County. In January of sixty four and sixty five, I became sixty six, actually the coroner was elected, and I became chief Forensic Capologists sixty six to seventy and then I was cornered from seventy to eighty for ten years, and another ten year period later on from ninety six to oh six. So in sixty three, I

was just a young Whooper snapper. That day I was in Los Angeles for a deposition on a case, as I recall, or meeting with an attorney, and I popped in to a doctor Tom Degucci's Los Angeles Medical Examiner's office. He was not yet the chief. Tom and I had met each other at the American Academy of Forensic Sciences and we immediately became close friends, a relationship that exists to this day. And this is a true story. It sounds almost like it's made up. I had no reason

to create from bellies something like this. I was standing in the autopsy room of the LA Medical Examiner's office with doctor Degucci, looking at a gunshot room victim and other cases too. They're always jammed there, and as secretary came in, ashen faced, pulled doctor Degucci aside, whispered something to his ear, and then Tom turned and told me

the president has been shot. He and I immediately adjourned to the closest, a restaurant that had a TV set, and we sat down and sat there for a couple of hours as things unfolded. So that's what I was doing on Friday, November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.

the phone call. Then I want to point out this is very important for people to know that the assassination on a Friday, and by Sunday, Hoover had already made up his mind and on Monday officially proclaimed to the world officially on Monday that the case was solved, that Lee Harvey Oswald was a soul assassin. And on Monday, Lee Harvey All's role was already dead, having been killed the day before on Sunday, November twenty four, by Jack Ruby in the basement of the Dallas Public Safety Building.

So Hoover already knew, already knew, he had checked everybody out, and he was able to do that over a weekend. This concoction, this conspiracy. And I love to turn around that epithet which they always hurl at us, the Warren Commission defenders and sickofans at the critic researchers of the Warren Commission, calling us conspiratorialists and so on. They are the master conspiratorialists and they have gotten away with this

for going on fifty nine years. You talk about a conspiracy, baby, this is one to top every other and any other conspiracy that anybody can think of or find historically anywhere in the world. To continue, then with the link, we have what transpired in Dallas that Donna has referred to, and the body being taken then flown into Washington, d C. Over to the Professor Naval Center for the autopsy. To use the word in ept is being very gracious and very kind. Donna is not usually less soft and sweet.

This is so important for anybody listening to this program who has still a belief in the Warrant Commission report. I want you to know, folks, evidentiary burden is you can't make philis. Diller into Marilyn Monroe. You have here the two pathologists, career naval pathologists by the names of Yume's and Boswell at Profess Naval Center called in to do the autopsy. You've got President Kennedy multiple gunshot wounds.

You have to determine entrance and differentiate from exit, angle, range, trajectory, and sequence of shots. And you have to correlate those wounds in Kennedy with the multiple gunshot wounds John Hunley in his back and chest and wrists and fig That is an extremely formidable task that would make a trio of top match forensic pathologists of the utmost competence and expertise really sweat bullets. So who are Yumes in Boswell ready for this? They had never done a single gun

shot wound autopsy in their entire careers. They had never done a gunshot wound autopsy in their entire careers. I want people who are Americans, I want you to listen to this carefully, and I want you to tell me how this could have been accomplished if not for the highest level, the top echelon of conspiratorialists in the government. And it was our government. It wasn't the Russians, and

it wasn't the Cubans or the Chinese. That was ascertained very quickly by direct visits love of our ambassadors in Moscow, Beijing, and Havana, as well as phone calls from the White House. You can imagine it was determined darn quickly that they knew not a damn thing about this. And so that was the next link from what transpired in Dallas in taking the body out illegally, where the jurisdiction was clearly

in the Dallas medical examiners hams to Washington. Okay, fine, actually it could and should have worked out to their advantage because then they were within one hour or drive time the top forensic pathologist country in New York, Boston, Richmond, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Baltimore. They were all there, and they had seven seven and a half hours or so to bring them together. They did not bring them together. Not any one of them

was contacted. And in fact, then these pathologists failed to even speak with the surgeons at Parkland Hospital, eighteen of them who had worked feverishly on the president as to what they did, what they saw. And that then moves us to the next couple of links in the chain. But I'll stop at this point. Go ahead with your next question or Donna's comment.

That was located on the grounds of the Walter Reed Hospital in Washington, d C. And in that hospital at the AFIP there were several board certified, fully accredited forensic pathologists, military forensic pathologists right there, right there. And now to continue the link then, not just to have expressed this criticism in a not prominine fashion, but to give it meaning.

The pathologists said and showed pictures and supposedly of an intact rear portion of the skull called the occipital area, the base of your skull posteriorly and the cerebellum, which is a part of the brain separate from the two large cerebral hemispheres located in the back and lowered down, they claim, and the pictures that they show have a brain that is intact, and they have a brain that

weighs fifteen hundred grams. Let's go back to Dallas. These eighteen or so doctors who worked on Kennedy, including some surgeons who had done hundreds of gunshot wound surgical procedures working in the emergency room in the o R over the years, including the chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery, a guy by the name of Kemp Clark, a distinguished neurosurgeon.

They described sabellar tissue being lacerated and torn from its attachment, and they described fractures in the occipital region of the skull. Who do you believe those good old boys from Texas who were just calling it what they saw and what they did working on the president there. And we have this on tape from our programs that we did in Pittsburgh. One of the surgeons, doctor McClellan, who talked about that in great detail and then you've got what Humes and

Boswell said. And there were four star admirals and generals in the autopsy room that night at Posessa Naval Hospital, So that is the next link. And then the brain. An average brain, let's say a good sized man, that brain will weigh somewhere about thirteen hundred and fifty to fourteen hundred grams, occasionally a little bit more. The brain had been seriously damaged. Portions of the brain had been

torn away. We know that. And yet they come in with a weight which no man unless he's a giant, is going to have as the weight of his brain, as they didn't, even not only conspiracy, but not one that was well thought of in terms of the medical forensic scientific ramifications, absolutely incredible. Before we get to the Zuffouda film in the single pollet theory and everything, let me go back to the autopsy to show you how

horrendous this was. The doctors in Dallas had seen the gunshot wound in the midline of the base of the president's neck, and then they saw the big defunct on the right side in the rear of the president's head. That night at the festa. The doctors there when they took off the course of light garment that Kennedy wore. They found a bullet hole in the President's back. They did not know there was a bullet hole in the front of the neck because the doctors in Dallas ascertained

that the bullet fortuitously had ripped through the trachea. When the brain has been damaged extensively, as in this case, the brain cannot function, It does not do its job in controlling cardiac and respiratory activity, and the person will die, no matter how skilled the surgeons may be in repairing

the damage cause by the gunshots. And so in order to attach the respirator cuff from the oxygen machine to suction out mucus and blood and put in oxygen take out carbon dioxide, they had to expand that circular hole at the base of the neck. They did not do it malevolently or surreptitiously. They did what was necessary to do.

And the comedians who did the autopsy that night, totally incompetent, inexperience, and having failed to talk with the doctors in Dallas, as I have already pointed out, never knew, never knew. Until the next morning, after they had given their report to Hoover and Johnson, they never knew that there had been a bullet hole in the front of the President's neck.

It wasn't until Saturday morning, November twenty third, when they called down and spoke with the surgeon there in Dallas, that they learned for the first time that there was a bullet hole in the president's neck. Okay, and how do you handle that now? Then that ties in with what Donna has talked about opened up the door on the Zuppooter film. Abraham Zappooter, a woman's clothing merchant there, an elderly gentleman, bought a brand new eight millimeter Bellhall

camera and went there to Dealey Plaza. He stood on the ledge coming out from a white curvy linear structure called a pergola. His secretary braced his leg and when the cars coming down Main Street, turning right onto Houston and then left onto Elm Street, and proceeding downward into the left on Elm Street, that's when Zappooter started his film.

It turned out to be the most important photographic evidence in this case, the most i piece of evidence of any kind in this case, and that camera was studied. It was determined that eighteen point three frames of that film strip went through the camera per second. Then, for people who are younger and don't know about the cameras that those of us who are over forty five point fifty recall from our high school and college days when

a film was shown to us in the classroom. You have a spool of film and you unloosened it and you put it onto spockets, and then it moved in serpentine fashion inside the camera box, and that's when you get a film. Each individual unit is called a frame. That Bellhall camera was studied by the Bellhall people and the FBI, and it was determined that eighteen point three frames of the film strip moved through the camera per second.

So there I was at Life magazine headquarters in December nineteen sixty six, having been invited by Josiah Thompson, who has become a very close friend and a top notch critic. Researcher of the Warrant Commission report invited me. He had been retained by Life Magazine, and I went up there and I studied the Zaffruiter film, which Life Magazine had acquired a large sum to Zafruter for that film, and I could study the shooting of the President and the

wounding of John Connolly at eighteenth second intervals. Think about that, there's not a word. You can utter, a move, and you can make a thought, you can entertain eighteen times in one second, but you can study this shooting at one eighteenth second intervals. And so they had that time frame, and the next timeframe was the firing of the alleged murder weapon, a Manniker Karkano, a bolt action non automatic carving developed in Italy going into World War Two, Considered

by every long gun expert of it. He's spoken to as the most inferior weapon of his genre, of any kind. And there was determined in the hands of the most skilled marchmen, which Oswald was not. That it's a two point three seconds from shot to shot, without allowing time for re aiming and repositioning at a moving target. Two point three seconds from shot to shot. Back to the Zappruter film, which clearly shows Connolly being hit one point

five seconds after Kennedy is hit. The first time you've seen the Zuppooter film, Kennedy's hands coming up to his mouth and throat, then Connolly being hit, and that's one point five seconds. So that presented a hell of a problem, a seemingly impossible physical temporal incongruity. How do you get away with it? Oswald is a soul assassin. Everybody has been told that he's now dead. The case has been

wrapped up in a blue ribbon. How do you deal with Connolly being hit one point five seconds after Kennedy has hit if it takes two point three seconds from shot to shot. And that is what gave birth to the next big link in this conspiratorial chain headed up by the top spooks and military people in this country. That is what gave birth to the single bullet theory. Arlen Spector, junior legal consul later to become senior US Senator from Pennsylvania, is the one who has given credit

for coming up with a single bullet theory. Faced with this incredible dilemma, what the hell to do? They said, Well, what if a bullet hit Kennedy in the back and went out his throat? And to begin with, by the way, there's an upward angle of eleven and a half degrees from back to front. Well, how to my colleagues who were on the forensic cathology panel of the House Select Committee and Assassinations, and eight other forensic pathologists and the

even ninth tent. How do they deal with that? They said, Well, maybe the President was leaning down to Tiny's shoelace so scratches groin, which he was obviously not doing. So the bullet who's upward and emerges from the front of Kennedy's neck a single bullet, theory, and it swings over eighteen twenty inches in mid air, hits Conley behind the right armpit,

not on the left side. The bullet is moving downward and leftward, having been fired according to them, from the sixth flour window of the Texas school Book Depository building. It moves over eighteen twenty inches, turns in midair, slams into Conley behind the right armpit. It goes into the chest, pierces the right lung, destroys four inches of the right

fifth rib, emerges from below nipple level. Look at the Zupputer film is holding that big white stetson hat at shoulder level, waving to the crowd shoulder level with the white sets and hat. The bullet emerges from his chest below the nipple level, hooks back up and around about eight ten inches slams into the back of the distal

right forearm, causes a combinative facture of the radius. One of the two large long bones from the elbow to the wrists emerges from the front of his right wrist, goes into the left eye, and then, somehow, having not been seen or heard by anybody in the r working on Conley or so on, is found quite fortuitously by Dyryl Tomlinson, a maintenance man at Parkland Hospital, trying to get to the men's room after the presidential entourage had left.

Finding the corridors blocked by stretchers, bent down, moved the stretcher, and lo and behold there was this magic bullet, as Mark Lane first called it, the magic bullet theory, which I and others have used since then, the magic bullet theory. There it was now known as Commission Exhibit three ninety nine military jacketed jacketed military ammunition lead core one and a quarter inch in length quarter of an inch in diameter. There it lay in pristine condition, uh, just to be found, fortunately,

in that accidental fashion. And that is the single bullet theory. The Senaqunon of the Warrant Commission report. You don't have a single bullet theory. You've got your two shooters before

you get into anything else. All the people, they are a daily plasive running up to the grassy knole, people seeing people, guys behind the grassy knole moving in furtive fashion, and so on, someone seeing a puff of smoke, and then getting into the medical stuff, which we can talk about a little bit later and won't digress at this point.

There you have this incredible single bullet theory which they were stuck with and that they came up with to answer this impossible correlation that just did not fit between the timing scene depicted in the Zuppruiter film and the timing determined by the firing of the manicer Carcanno weapon. Seven wounds this is is seven wounds and two men. Seven wounds and two men a bullet. Let me tell you, she just finished this quickly. In his pristine state weighs

one hundred and sixty one grains. The bullet found weighed one hundred and fifty eight point six grains. A loss of two point four grains is exactly one and a half percent, And yet fragments of the bullet were found in four anatomic locations of Kennedy and Conley. And we're told that that bullet just lost leaving pieces of itself one and a half percent of his total weight original weight, and having broken two bones. And Conley was a six point six foot four big bone, not a dainty little

ninety year old, and that ninety pounds woman. Okay, that bullet is in completely intact, just a little bit of crimping at the base, the nose, the cone, the jacket, completely intact, having broken these two large bones, and the trajectory I've already talked about, So put together the weight, the condition of the bullet, and the trajectory, and those are all the necessary correlates of the single bullet theory.

So anybody listening to this program who still believes in the Warren Commission report, and when you're through buying bridges in Brooklyn, come back to this and deal with Humes and Boswell and deal with everything we've talked about, and deal with the single bullet theory. That, my friends, is the burden for the defenders and sycophants and naives who continue to buy the Warrent Commission report.

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of sixty five. Then in October of sixty six, one and a half years later, two of the pathologists and a radiologist and a fourth doctor went in in October of sixty six and did an inventory on that material. The part of the executive order was that nobody could see those things for seventy five years, with the exceptions. It quotes a recognized expert in a field of pathology

with a serious historic purpose interest unquote. It could apply in nineteen seventy one, five years later I was the president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, President of the American College of Legal Medicine, corner of Allegheny Conomy Board Certified Forensic Pathologists. I applied. I won't take up time and tell you how they jagged me around for all that time. And finally Fred Graham of the New York Times, whom I did not know heard about it,

called me up. He intervened and with Burke Marshall, who had been made the executor of that agreement when he was Assistant Attorney General and who at the time then later was a law school professor at Yale and still playing games with me and making me go up to new Haven. I didn't think or do that happens to be my second home and with most of my closest friends there. I was delighted to go to New Haven, and I finally got in, so there I am in

August of nineteen seventy two. They jagged me Iran for a year, and that is when I made a discovery, a discovery like Columbus discovered America. Forget the Vikings who had discovered it three four hundred years before. Forget the fact that many doctors and others knew what was there and what was not there, and never said a word,

never said a word. Top notch people, including my former chief where I trained in Baltimore, doctor Russell Fisher, and including the neuropathologist from that office, Richard Lindenberg, never said a word about what I discovered and what was Page one, New York Times, August twenty fourth, nineteen seventy two. President's brain missing. The brain and the fresh state when it has been heavily damaged, cannot be properly examined. It is like a fifth viscous substance as much as it is

a salad, a solid. You fix it in formula and the universal fix it a solution that hardens tissues, and you convert the consistency from that of a well done software day to a hardware dagg. I don't mean to be crude, but there's no better metaphor to understand what you're dealing with. And you then get that brain two weeks later, and you slice it from side to side and you examine it, and in this case, it would have shown the hemorrhagic trajectories, the courses of the bullets

through the brain. The brain was not dissected, the brain was never examined, and the brain was missing. Today as we talk fifty some years later, let's see, nineteen seventy two is when I discovered it. So that's twenty eight and twenty one is forty nine, and going back to sixty three fifty nine, and that brain remains missing, unaccounted for.

And that is the next big link in this conspiratorial continuum chain that has been controlled by the government with the passive silence, passive blessing of the news media New York Times at all, accepting it in this kind of obsequious, unquestioning fashion. The missing brain does that tell you something?

So that is very important to know. And keep in mind that the evidence, the key part of the evidence in which he was claiming that he wasn't a shooter or somebody else did the fatal shooting or so on, that evidence, the brain missing. That is referred to as a formal official legal doctrine recognized in every jurisdiction and under federal criminal Code as e spoliation of evidence. The words spoil, they leave that the eye spoil. It's called

spoliation of evidence. And in my opinion and of course we'll never know, but I'm sure every law school professor would back me up on this, and every trial attorney, a key at commanial defense child attorney would would agree with this that if that were the situation and Oswald was in trial and the brain was not there to be examined by his expert, that spoliation of evidence, whatever

it was, would have led to charges being dropped. That kind of spoliation of evidence not only would have shifted the burden or proof, which is what it does the minimus, but would have prohibited Oswald from defending himself properly and would have led to the case being thrown out of court. So I mentioned this not to get into, you know, legal discussions, but for people to understand the magnitude, the extent, the continuum, the word I've used now. I like that

very much, John. I keep it in mind when we refer to this, the continuum of this incredible, masterful conspiracy, and it goes on. And as we discussed in a national conference of KAPA Committee Against Political Assassinations, a national organization of which I am the chairman. We just finished a weekend conference and we had a wonderful panel top match experts, including somebody that had been with Life magazine

which purchased a suffruiter film. As they pointed out before talking about the news media, discussing how the news media has handled this case from the beginning the present time, you cannot. I don't give a damn how if our book were to become a seller, and I don't think it will. People have had enough of JFKA. Regrettably, they should not have had enough. Everybody should be kept aware and made to think about this and teach the younger generation.

But that that would. It just shows you that despite whatever impact my book, Mark Lane's wonderful book Russia judgment, Sylvia Mahr's Great book accessories out to the fact, Josiah Thompson's wonderful book Six Seconds, and more recently Last Second in Dallas, and other fine books by other wonderful warrant commissioned critic researchers. Despite anything and everything it has been pointed out in hard evidence, medical discussions, neurosurgical, neurological, and

the physical and acoustical evidence. I want to talk about that for a moment. Two. Despite all of that, you can get the news. You cannot get the news media to cover this. I don't give a damn. You can write the best letters to the editor, you can write the best articles. They will not publish it. They will

not publish it. This is absolutely unbelievable. And I want to talk about one another piece of evidence, and Donna, I'm sorry to hog this, but the acoustical evidence is important to know about a motorcycle policeman writing behind the President's choir and had left his motorcycle lever in the wrong position. It should have been in the receiving position for him to receive orders. He had it in the transmitting position that then passed on sounds from Dilley Plaza.

That record was studied by the foremost acoustics experts in the country, both Veronic and Newman in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and then by top notch experts Wife and Ashkenazi and Queen's University in New York, and they both separately, independently came to the conclusion that there were four shots fired, including from the front in the rear, and that evidence is what made the House Select Committee on Assassinations appointed in seventy seven, report issued in seventy nine made them conclude

with a high degree of probability that there have been two shooters, a high degree of probability. And by the way, it is fascinating a House Select committee of a bipartisan nature, bipartisan nature coming up with that finding, and that too has been ignored. Oh, just a bunch of goddamn congressmen, Democrats, Republicans, top nache people in Congress at that time, who cares what they have to say after a three year deliberation and we just ignore that? Too believable.

the bullet and so on. And that's when I begged him and begged him to put in what I have shown, which Donna has depicted in the book, showing something that I demonstrate every time I talk about JFK pulling two people up from the audience, seating them in chairs thirty inches separating Kennedy's front just from Comedy's back, and showing what I have already described, the trajectory of that bullet,

how it has to move horizontally and vertically. And he put it in and that's that wonderful scene when Kevin Cossler, playing this attorney Jim Garrison, shows the trajectory of the single bullet theory. So that was my role and established a nice relationship with Oliver Stone, who graciously has written the forward for our book and the JFK assassination dissected a wonderful forward by Oliver Stone, which Donna and I are grateful for.

little all that she said. He admired Kennedy indeed. And then another interesting meeting which Donna has portrayed so well in the book with George D. Mornshield. This is a multi millionaire Texas tied in with Texas oil millionaires, a white Russian and there he is in Dallas and he reaches out to befriend Lee Harvey Oswald just because Oswald has been two and a half years in Russia and the morenschild took him under his wing and treated them like a kind of a son. So that's for trade

in the book too. These are wonderful pieces things in the book that you will not find in other books because they're very, very personal. And then my relationships with the Richard Sprague, who was appointed as head of the Legal counsul for the House slect Committee of Assassinations, and he resigned that position and discussed when he saw it was clear they weren't going to let him do things

the right way. Followed by Robert Tannebaum, another good friend, who took over and who likewise became disgusted when the House Committee wasn't doing the job they should have done. And you have my discussion with Spray and Tannebaum in the book too. There's a lot of stuff in the book really which is fascinating for people who want to

get a full background on this. And Donna did a great job and discussing the background of Jack Ruby from the time he was a young teenager, a mafia in Chicago and down there in Dallas, a restaurant owner, a nightclub operator, a pimp, a police informant, an FBI informant,

smuggler of guns into Cuba. Jack Ruby, who just quite fortuitously that day wiring money to a former stripper, finding the driveway entering into the Dallas Public Safety Building open, just casually walked on like you or I could have done if we were visitors in Dallas that day and just happens precisely at that moment for Oswald to be escorted out between two non uniform detectors and Ruby stuff forward and shoots Oswald, and that's the end of Oswald.

There's a chapter in there about assassination nation. The Robert Kennedy case is another one where accuing evidence was not shown in court. Doctor Thomas Magucie who did that autopsy and Cyril consulted on it. By the way, that report is sixty pages long, as opposed to JFKSE which was sixty is long. So the people who played the played ball with the government got all sorts of benefits. The people who didn't were told that they were an American

and you know, conspiracist. So but the people they some of the people are just larger than life characters, and Jolly West is one of those, for sure.

a very important and tangential aspect of the book. Two to know about America in American history and to reflect upon it too as to what has happened to our country since JFK was assassinated.

get it directly from them. So, Dan want to thank you very very much for your courtesy and having done it and me on the program, and I hope the program will be well received and maybe we'll have a sequel to us down the road.