THE GREYHOUND BUS CANNIBAL KILLER-Dan Zupansky

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he decided rather to return home. He departed Edmonton at twelve oh one am on July thirtieth, two thousand and eight, on board Greyhound Bus eleven seventy to Winnipeg via the Yellowhead Highway through Sascna. He sat at the rear, one row ahead of the washroom. At around seven pm, the bus left from a stop in Ericsson, Manitoba, with a

new passenger, Vince Wiguang Lee. Tim McClain sent a text message around seven thirty pm to his father, Tim Senior, as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg of its journey, to ask whether he could come there for the night. His father was happy to hear from him and texted back to his son that of course he could.

Vince Wiguang Lie was born April thirtieth, nineteen sixty eight, in Dandong and grew up in northeastern China in the province of Laoning, living with an older brother, a younger sister, and his parents. In nineteen ninety two, Lee graduated from the University of Wuhan Institute of Technology with a Bachelor of Science degree in computers, and from nineteen ninety four to nineteen ninety eight he worked in Beijing as a computer software engineer. Lee and his wife Anna, immigrated to

Canada on June eleventh, two thousand and one. Lee had studied as a computer engineer for four years in China, but could not immediately find a job in his field in Canada. Lee was hospitalized in early two thousand and four after an incident where he was picked up by Ontario Provincial police who found him walking along a highway following the sun on order from God. He was hospitalized

briefly but never sought medical help afterwards. He worked in Winnipeg at Grant Memorial Church as a caretaker for six months later that year in two thousand and four, he seemed happy to have a good job and was committed to doing it well despite a language barrier he encountered with other congregation members. There were no incidents, however, but quit Lee quit the job in the spring of two thousand and five. He also worked in Winnipeg as a

forklift operator. While his work, his wife worked as a waitress. Lee moved to Edmonton in two thousand and six, abruptly leaving his wife alone in Winnipeg. She joined him later that year. He became a Canadian citizen on November seventh of that year. His jobs included a supervisor at mc donald's restaurant, a newspaper carrier, an employee at Meatland Foods,

and at wal Mart. He was prone to unexplain absences from work and sometimes took long road trips on the bus while offering friends and family members long rum rambling talks. Lee's former wife said he used to be gone for long periods of time, he took unexplained bus trips and sometimes rambled. Despite the urging of those clothes to him, he refused to seek medical treatment. At the end of June, he was fired from Walmart following a disagreement with other employees.

Shortly after, Lee asked for time off from his new delivery job to go to Winnipeg for another job interview. At approximately twelve thirty a m. On Tuesday, July twenty ninth, two thousand and eight, Lee boarded a Greyhound bus in Edmonton, Alberta, heading to thunder Bay via Winnipeg. He purchased his ticket under the name of Wong Pent. He did not notify his ex wife that he was leaving nor what his destination was. He did leave her a note stating I'm gone,

don't look for me. I wish you were happy. Before the trip, he bought a very large knife at a Canadian tire store. On July twenty ninth, round six pm, Lee got off the bus in Ericson, Manitoba, with at least three pieces of luggage. Although the bus driver, Patrick Delbridge, tried to advise him that it was not his stop, Lee stayed the night awake, sitting on a bench next to a grocery store. He spent twenty four hours in Ericson, as there was only one bus per day stopping in

the community. During that time, he disposed of most of his personal assets by either selling them or burning them. On the morning of July thirtieth, still at the bench, he sold his new laptop computer to a fifteen year old boy, Darren Beatty, for sixty dollars. Lee had made a sign asking for six hundred dollars, but Darren talked him down somehow to sixty dollars. Shortly before six p m. Lee boarded the bus heading to Winnipeg carrying Tim mc

lean and thirty five other passengers. Tim mcclan got off the bus for a cigarette break between Brandon and Portage Lo Prairie. Lee, forty years old, a tall man with a shaved head and sunglasses, originally sat near the front of the bus, but moved to sit next to mc lean following the rest stop. Mc Lean barely acknowledged Lee and proceeded to fall asleep against the windowpane headphones on. Mc clan was slim and fit, five foot five and

around one hundred and twenty five pounds. At around eight thirty p m. Greyhound Bus eleven seventy was approximately twelve miles west of Portage Lo Prairie on the trans Canaona Highway when a passenger sitting one row ahead heard a blood curdling scream and turned around to see Lee standing over mc lean, stabbing him repeatedly in the neck and chest with a huge Rambo type knife. Tim mc lean fought hard and tried his best to escape, but couldn't

as Lee was blocking the aisle. Lee was preoccupied with mc lean by now and continued to stab him as he lay on the floor. He paid no attention to the other passengers as the bus was vacated, and he peered, oblivious to the demands of bus driver Bruce Martin that he stopped stabbing mc lean. After everyone had run from the vehicle, Lee came to the front of the bus and tried to escape. The bus driver was able to close the door on Lee's arm with the bloody knife extended.

Lee pulled his arm back into the bus and returned to the rear, where he continued defiling the body of Tim mc lean. Martin called nine one one. Bernie Skyro, driver of a second Greyhound bus that was following Greyhound Bus eleven seventy to carry the passenger overload, realized that there was something very unusual in the fashion that driver

Martin pulled over and abruptly stopped. Mister Circrup stopped his bus on the shoulder right in front of the Greyhound bus eleven seventy circrup observed Lee at the back of the bus and entered the bus yelling repeatedly for Lee to stop the attack. Lee responded by stating get emergency. As script stared, Lee was severing the head of Tim McLain sickrip left the bus as he realized McLean was

dead and couldn't be saved. Lee traveled to the front of the bus, now holding the severed head of Tim McClain in one hand and a black handled knife in the other. The bus door was closed and barricaded by a truck driver who had pulled over to assist. Shortly after, PM ken Barker and other RCMP officers responded to a call about a man brandishing a knife on a Greyhound bus on the Trans Canada Highway near Portage Lo Prairie.

Upon our CMP arrival, a police vehicle was parked against the door to the bus to prevent Lee from exiting. They arrived to find Lee being prevented from escaping by another passenger, the bus driver, and a truck driver who had provided a crowbarn and a hammer as weapons. The other passengers were huddled at the roadside, some of them crying and others vomiting. At one point, Lee was fiddling with the bus controls, trying to open the door so that he could exit. The bus driver scrap cut the power.

Lee threw the head of Tim McClain into the stair roll and returned to the back of the bus and continued to mutilate the body of Tim mcclan. RCMP Corporal Harder attempted to communicate with Lee and asked him to dropped the knife out of a small window located in the bathroom at the rear of the bus. Lee's only response was words to the effect that he had to

stay on the bus forever. As officers watched, Lee continued to mutilate both the body and the head and the face of Tim McLane, using both a huge knife and a pair of scissors. Constable Brown and Corporal Smith witnessed Lee's smell and then eat pieces of Tim mcclan's flesh and licked blood from his fingers and hands. Lee carried mclan's internal organs and various body parts throughout the bus.

He grabbed McLean's head from the stair while holding it by the hair and shaking the decapitated head, taunting police. At approximately one twenty am four hours after the attack July thirty, first, Lee broke a window on the bus and threw out some personal belongings, a knife, kife, and a pair of scissors. He then jumped out of the bus headfirst, landing on top of the knife. He was struggling, screaming,

and refused to surrender his hands. Fully stunned him with a taser numerous times before he surrendered his hands and could be handcuffed and taken to a police vehicle. Found in Lee's pants pocket was a plastic bag containing Tim McLean's ear, nose and tongue. Lee blood smeared around his mouth and on his face, pleaded with police. I'm sorry, I'm guilty, Please kill me. The internal organs were recovered in plastic bags in four separate areas of the bus.

The tip of the blade was found in the Clean's skull in the forehead area, just above the inner aspect of the right eyebrow. Timklaian's eyes were missing, as well as a good portion of his heart and were presumed eden Vincent. Lee was formally arrested. The story reverberated throughout the world, disgusting, shocking, and horrifying everyone that heard or

read about the incredible killing. Days later, when he appeared in a Portage Leperirie courthouse on charges of second degree murder, the only words Lee uttered were pleased for someone to kill him. The second degree murder trial of Vincent Lee began on March third, two thousand and nine. Although Lee had admitted his guilt officers that night in two thousand and eight, Lee pleaded not guilty. His lawyers argued that he was not criminally response because he was mentally ill.

At trial, a psychiatrist said that Lee believed the voice of God was telling him to do it. The court heard that Vincent Lee believed the voice of God was telling him to kill mister McLain and that by mutilating his body and eating parts of the flesh, he would prevent him from coming back to life. The voice told Lee to get on the bus and sixth next to Tim mclan. Doctor Stanley Yarn told Lee's second degree murder

trial jury. Yarron is the head of Manitoba's forensic psychiatry program, and he said Lee was delusional, believing God had told him to board the bus carrying a concealed knife. Yarin said it appeared Lee beside McLain merely because the young man offered him a friendly greeting. A voice from God told him mister McLain was a force of evil and

about to execute him. Yeron told a judge Lee believed he had to act quickly to protect himself in response to that, in a state of panic and fearful for his own life, he carried out the acts that he did. But Lee believed the twenty two year old McLain was still capable of coming back to life, so he continued to mutilate the body and scattered the parts around the bus. Mister Lee did not understand he was killing an innocent bystander.

He did not understand his actions were wrong. Yarran said Lee is still psychotic and believes it's just a matter of time before God kills him. He continues to have hallucinations and hear voices, but is on strong antipsychotic medication. Vincent Lee is as much a victim as Tim McLain, the psychiatrist, stated, it would be in some sense easier if mister Lee was an antisocial psychopath with a history of malicious behavior, but he isn't that. He is as

I've come to know him a decent person again. He is as much a victim of this horrendous illness as mister McLain was a victim. No one who witnessed the horror was called to testify other than the two psychiatrists. McLean's family and friends, many wearing t shirts with his picture on them, wept openly as the grisly details were

read out in court. Tim mclan's mother, Carol D. Daley, has said she wants the law change, though anyone found not criminally responsible for a crime still serves time behind bars. Carol de Daily told CBC News prior to the trial that she does not want to see Lee ever released from custody, but legal experts say the not criminally responsible defense is rarely used and it doesn't mean the criminal

walks away Scott free. Herein told the courts that Lee was briefly hospitalized in two thousand and four after he was picked up by Ontario Provincial police who found him walking along a highway following the sun on order from God. He was, however, not diagnosed as a schizophrenic at that time, nor was he prescribed medication, and he did not contact mental health officials afterwards. At trial, doctor Jonathan Rutenberg said Vincent Lee was psychotic and was in no state to

tell the difference between right and wrong. The attack was sudden and came as Lee caught a glimpse of the sunlight and heard God's voice telling him that McLain was a threat. The voice said, do it now. If you don't, he's going to kill you now. Two days later, on March fifth, two thousand and nine. Trial lasted two days and heard from only two witnesses. Both were psychiatrists who

testified Lee suffered and suffers from schizophrenia. They testified Lee heard what he thought was the voice of God a little over a year ago, telling him to mckill McLain or resk killing being killed himself. Vincent Lee was found not criminally responsible for the gruesome murder and beheading of Tim McClain on a Greyhound bus in summer of two

thousand and eight. These grotesque acts are appalling. Justice John Schofield said in Thursday's ruling, However, the acts themselves, in the context in which they were committed, are strongly suggestive of a mental disorder. He did not appreciate the act he committed was morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self defense and that he had been commanded by

God to do so. Both the Crown prosecutor and the defense agreed that Lee is a schizophrenic who was suffering a psychotic episode when he killed the twenty two year old Tim McLean. Lee was now forty one years old, will now be remanded to a secure psychiatric facility where he will receive treatment. A review panel will decide in the next six weeks which facility he will be transferred to, depending on whether he is considered a risk to others or to himself. His case must also be reviewed on

an annual basis by a mental health review board. The review board will look at police reports from the crime scene and review transcripts of previous hearings, while also listening to evidence from psychiatrists who will treat Lee about his current mental condition and his treatment plan. In prognosis, the public needs to know that when a person is found not criminally responsible, it does not automatically follow that a

person will be released into the community. Judge Scourfield said in his ruling, people who are found not criminally responsible, let who continue to pose a danger to the community. May be kept in a locked institution for the rest of their lives after the trial. Legal analyst and criminal lawyer Stephen Skirka said the decision shows that the Canadian criminal just system is humane and recognize it that those in psychotic states cannot distinguish right from wrong. We can't

simply look at the actions. We have to look at his mental state. We don't punish people who don't appreciate the nature and quality of their actions. I think that's a very positive feature of our system. With the not criminally responsible declaration, Lee will not have a criminal record, but on the agreement of both the prosecutor and the defense, his DNA will be put into a registry so that it will be on file in the event Lee is

one day released and is suspected of another crime. Skirka said it's a responsible position for the defense to take because clearly they're concerned about public safety. While the McLain family knew to expect Thursday's ruling, mclan's mother, Carold Dedlay, says she will push forward with what she calls Tim's Law. She wants those who are found to be not criminally responsible to have criminal records and to be treated in prison,

not in a mental facility. The Daily told reporters outside the courthouse that NCR should be changed to what she calls NPA. That would be not psychologically accountable but still criminally responsible because a crime was committed. Here a murder still occurred and not criminally responsible seems to negate that fact. She also wondered why Lee, who was born in China, was granted citizenship even after he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

The thing is, though, that he was arrested by police and hospitalized in two thousand and four for walking towards a son and order from God. However, he was not diagnosed at that time as schizophrenic. The Lee case brought mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, into the national headlines, and some psychologists say the trial had reinforced the stigma attached to

mental illness. Annette Osted of the College of Registered Nurses of Manitoba told the c t V that it's time to stop blaming Vincent Lee and start searching for answers about what went wrong in the health system. His illness left untreated caused this horrific event. Now why was it left untreated? She asked that's the fact that we have to look at as a society. Doctor Richard Shore says that schizophrenias schizophrenics have more to fear from society than

vice versa. He said, the majority of people with illness do not act violently. It's rare for schizophrenics to express outward aggression. They are usually more isolated. Mary Alberty of the Schizophrenia Society of Ontario said that with Tim's Law, we understand why the family would take that viewpoint, but we also know based on experience at the Schizophrenia Society,

that the outcomes with treatment can be very good. With proper treatment, mister Lee will have greater insight into his disease. But having said that, we have to remember schizophrenia and psychosis are characterized by having a lack of insight that they are ill, she said, But with proper treatment and support,

we believe people can recover from schizophrenia. Tim McClain's family lobbied for changes to the criminal code, pushing for victim protection legislation they called Tim's Law, and by signing the petition for Tim's Law, people were showing support for a dialogue that weighs the rights of all sides of the discussion. The proposal led corgislation would prevent a person found not criminally responsible of a crime from being released into the community.

It would mean that the most violent, unpredictable people who have committed a crime would face incarceration for life with no possibility of release. During this time, Carol did the lay found work cleaning houses at night. She also had to give that up to help care for her grandkids, including her own, Tim McClane's child, who was born five months after Tim's death. Carol says her family's long legal battle to keep her sons killer locked up as left

them struggling to stay afloat financially. She says that the fight has stunted her career growth, saw her lose out on income and forced her and her husband Tim to rack up debt, and that they were pretty much at the end of their resources to day. Says she was forced to miswork for extended periods of time as she attended hearings and dealt with legal issues related to Vince

Lee's trial. The Delady has fought the verdict of not criminally responsible ever since, and the recent decision to potentially move Lee to a group home. Her family also filed a lawsuit against Greyhound and the federal government for failing to take proper safety precautions. Tim McClain's uncle, Dave Melkowski, created a GoFundMe for the couple earlier this month, which raised more than six thousand dollars. A. Mulkowski says that Delayy had been totally consumed by the horrible tragedy and

asked for help in getting their lives back. Now, five years later, twelve hundred people had signed her petition Tim's Law. She said it was a tough decision to close the Did the Lady Foundation for Life after accepting donations for the effort, but it had become a financial drain. Still, she said she believes she had made an impact. She wanted to make people aware and she thought that she had done that to the best of her ability. I have brought to the attention of the leaders of the country,

the policy makers. There was a lot of information, a lot of talk that didn't exist five years ago. A killer is a killer. If you take a life, you forfeit your freedom for the rest of your life. She said. The only thing that should change with a mentally ill killers that they should serve their sentence in a place

where they can also receive treatment. As a result, Prime Minister Stephen Covative Stephen Harper of the Conservative Government announced proposed changes to the Criminal Code that would include stringent restriction for people found not criminally responsible for violent crimes. Among the changes the Prime ministers outlined was a new

legal designation high risk non criminally responsible accused offenders. Given that designation would be ineligible for unescorted passes and would also have to wait three years before getting a review by mental health boards as opposed to the annual review. The review boards would also have to follow stricter guidelines and only the courts would have the power to revoke that status. The changes were also expected to include a bigger role for victims at every stage as soon as

trials were completed. In June third, twenty ten, in the first of annual hearings into Vincent Lee's progress, the Criminal Review Board ruled he can take walks on hospital grounds as long as he is escorted by two staff members. The passes started at fifteen minutes and increased incrementally to a maximum of one hour twice daily. At that time, the Manitoba Attorney General Andrew Swan stepped in and put the decision on hold until new security measures at the

facility were implemented. A year later. June third, twenty eleven, the Review Board decided to allow Lee to spend up to a full day outside the locked unit on the hospital grounds. He needed to be accompanied by one staff member only. The board did not authorize group outings on the grounds, nor did it allow him escorted passes into the community. By May seventeenth and twenty twelve, less than a year later, Lee was allowed escorted trips into the

community of nearby Selkirk, about fifty miles from Winnipeg. The passes started at thirty minutes and increased incrementally to a maximum of a full day. Lee would have to be escorted at all times by one staff member and a security officer. Further, he is allowed to make supervise full day trips further afield to Lockport, another nearby community, Winnipeg,

and nearby beaches. The board also approved Lee for unescorted trips on the grounds of the mental hospital, starting for fifteen minutes at a time and working up to full day. In February twenty seventh, February twenty seven, twenty fourteen, Lee was allowed to leave the mental hospital without an escort and visit Selkirk on his own. The board ruled he could start with thirty minute visits and increased two full days.

Supervision on his outings to the City of Winnipeg and local beaches was to be relaxed, and he was allowed to be moved to an unlocked ward at the hospital. Doctors from the Selkirk Mental Health Facility told the Criminal Review Board hearing that Vincent Lee has made significant progress in his treatment. The Indeed, the risk of Lee reoffending, according to his medical handlers, is only about one percent. Based on this new diagnosis, the Review Board was asked

to give Lee extended privileges within the facility. Previously, Lee was allowed passes to walk on hospital grounds provided he had direct supervision. Now doctors are suggesting Lee is doing so well with the daily sixty ninety minute walks that he should be allowed general supervision like any other patient at the hospital. A second proposal was made involving Lee being permitted to take thirty minute excursions away from the hospital within Selkirk, provided he is accompanied by all times

by a peace officer and a nurse. As doctors say, those passes can be extended by up to fifteen minutes per week, provided there are no incidents and he continues to make great strides within the request to the board. There is no indication that the community would made aware of Lee's presence in their neighborhood. In fact, his doctor suggested that the accompanying peace officers should be allowed to wear plain clothes to avoid drawing extra attention to Vincent Lee.

At the hearing, the prosecutor did not raise any opposition to the proposals. Lee was described as having a low risk of reoffending and described as a nice, gentle guy. Ironically, Vincent Lee sat quietly through the hearing, shackled in laygarns. It is expected that Vincent Lee will be given more freedom in the days to come. The board is expected to render their decision shortly. Mental health advocates agreed it as unusual for a patient such as Lee to get

unsupervised leave after only five years in treatment. Manitoba Schizophrenia Society Executive director Chris Somerville said typically patients are in treatment for much longer before having such freedoms, but Lee is not typical. Yes, it comes as a surprise that it would be so soon, Somerville said, but he's done so wonderfully as a patient. Somerville said, it's similar to

giving children more privileges as they earn more trust. The average length of stay of for instance, eunichuts somewhere around ten to fifteen years on average, but this is unusual in light of the fact that he has responded so well to medication and treatment on July. In July two thousand and fourteen, one of the Mounties who responded to the two thousand and eight Manitoba bus beheading, Corporal Ken Barker, committed suicide after years of suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.

Corporal Barker was a Mounty for twenty seven years, except for a brief stint with the Winnipeg Fire Department. For the latter part of his career, he was a dog handler working with Akxa, a Czech Republic born German shepherd, but as one of Manitoba's few dog handlers, he worked

irregular hours, frequently uncovering decaying corpses in the wilderness. On the night of July thirty of two thousand and eight, Corporal Barker and Akxa were among those called as the Trans Canada Highway near portagele Prairie after reports of a stabbing on a Greyhound bus. He was one of the first police officers on the scene. Family and former colleagues said the fifteen one year old Barker, who retired last month, had already seen almost two decades of horrific crime scenes

when he witnessed the grizzly scene on the bus. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, His estranged wife, Sherry said. While family members say the beheading was the most traumatic incident Barker witnessed, the former officer said it wasn't the only one. Walder said her brother's treatment was coming along, and while he was still a dog handler, he was stationed at the airport in bus depots instead

of responding to slings. But last fall things began changing. Barker, who had two adult children, had been on medical leaf since October twenty thirteen. With Vincent Lee getting in the paper about his walks, he start experiencing flashbacks, she said. Ken always said he didn't want to be known as the Greyhound guy. Sherry said, he said It first started at his first posting at NANAIMOBC. The greyhound incident was just one of many. It was multiple, cumulative, and he

was just a sensitive fellow. He was predisposed because of his NAT. Two women rescued Barker from a suicide tempt in May, but no one got to him in time that weekend. In July, Corporal Barker was found dead in his basement of his Manitoba home. He had recently retired and was estranged from his wife, Shari, who he met in high school. She arrived at the house to find the front door open, then call paramedics after finding no one on the upper floors. It was a very rapid

decline in the last six months. He sent text messages like I think I'm too broken to ever be fixed, and he would also say I wish I had cancer because then people would understand. February twenty third, twenty fifteen, experts recommend the board allow Vincent Lee to be transferred to a Winnipeg hospital Health Sciences Center, with an eye

to moving him to a community group poem. Lee's psychiatrist and other doctors also recommend Lee be granted unescorted outings in Winnipeg doctor Stephen Kremer said Lee has suffered no hallucinations in the past year and understands the importance of taking his medication. Kramer said Lee's likelihood to re offend violently is quite low. February twenty seventh, the Manitoba Criminal Court Review Board allows Lee to have unescorted visits to Winnipeg.

On May eighth, twenty fifteen, the man who beheaded a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba has been approved to move from a mental hospital to a group home in Winnipeg. A public rally against the ruling will be held Saturday afternoon at the Manitoba Legislature called Justice for Tim McClain. McLean's mother, Carol de Lady, says she will attend. My heart drops because this is solidifying my

fear that I've had since the beginning of this. I've been trying to make people aware of the fact that this individual is going to be walking amongst us again, and it's just now that he's actually going to be out in the neighborhood that people are starting to hear what I've been saying. Recently, the board dealt with a request from the hospitals and increased privileges for mister Lee so that the hospital could grant an extended pass to reside at a Level five group home in the city

of Winnipeg. John Stefanyik, chair of the Manitoba Criminal Code Review Board. At a hearing at the board in February, doctors recommended he moved to a psychiatric unit at Winnipeg's Health Sciences Center and with continuous assessment, possibly be allowed to move to a Level five group home in Winnipeg. It's not known if Lee has yet made the move or what the location of the facility where he may

be staying. Sefanyak said a Level five group home typically has twenty four hour staffing, supervision and administration of medication, and at the very least, a curfew. Chris Somerville is the CEO of the Schizophrenia Society of Canada, Executive director of the Schizophrenia Society of Manitoba, and he considers himself a friend of Vincent Lee's. He has conducted the only

interview Vincent Lee has ever granted to media. There's an interview with the producers of Vice HBO news program Vice and Chris Somerville what is your relationship to Vince Lee Chris Somerville. It's been a relationship of rapport and developing a friendship, providing self help services to him, peer support service, and helping him understand his mental illness. Basically being a non therapeutic person for him. Everybody's asking him therapeutic questions.

He needs somebody that can just talk to him as a person one on one. Vince Lee's psychiatrist from the Selkirk Mental Hospital, doctor Stephen Kremer, says Lee runs a low risk of reoffending once back in the community. What does that really mean. It means a psychiatrist does risk assessment. What they evaluate is whether or not he has insight into his illness, and he does have insight into his illness.

They also evaluate whether he's compliant with his medication and understands the need to take the medication, which he is and does. Also, we assess whether he has any addiction problems, which he doesn't, and does he have any sociopathic traits and he doesn't. He's an ideal patient. He hasn't had any altercations with any of the patients since he's been at the Selkirk Mental Health Center. For six years, so

he's really an ideal patient. How can psychiatrists be sure that Lee will not kill again once he's back in the community. They do that risk assessment and they do the best they can. We know that recidivism rates are very low, and they do psychological exams. His chances of reoffending are less than one percent. On average, people who are released from the forensic unit who are found not criminally responsible RECIDIVM rates are about seven and a half percent.

Mister Lee's is less than one percent because he's doing so well. When Lee is reintegrated into community, what kind of system will be in place ensure he's taking his medication? Chris Somerville. He will probably be released conditionally, which means there will be conditions on his discharge. That means where he will live, who he will hang out with, who he has to meet, and staying away from the victim's family. He'll be monitor in terms of his medication through regular appointments.

What happens if Lee stops taking his medication after he's released, Well, he's learning how to monitor that, just like how with the Schizophrenia Society of Canada we teach patients how to know when there's warning signs that they might be deteriorating. Where there's beginning signs of psychosis. You just don't become psychotic in a moment or overnight. There's warning signs that

build up to it. He will learn those warning signs, just like people who learn how to manage their chronic illnesses. People have other chronic illnesses, Parkinson's, epilepsy ms, they learn their signs and symptoms. Mister Lee will learn them as well. He has learned that, and he'll know when he needs to check with his doctor. He won't be psychotic at that point. He'll just realize he needs additional help. Should

members of his soon to be community be afraid of Lee? No, I don't think people in the community should be afraid of him. I have a brother with schizophrenia, and if he was doing as well as Vince Lee, that would be great. He laughs. Why has the public responded so negatively to the idea of Lee's release. The primary reason they are up in arms about it or alarmed about it is because of the brutal nature of how mister Lee killed Tim McLean. If he had just shot him,

we wouldn't even be talking. It was a unique, one of a kind, first ever type murdering Canada, which Lee ate Tim McClain's body parts. Secondly, the public is concerned about his release because well, they say, how do you make sure? How do you guarantee? They just stay on his medication. What does the public's response to the idea of Lee's potential release say about how we the public

treat people with mental illness. It tells it that the Canadian public number one is not informed about the review Board, what it does, and the risk assessment process. They are not informed about the statistics about reciptivism rates and that those statistics are very low. It also tells us that many people do not believe in the concept of not criminally responsible. In other words, they don't believe in such

a designation. They believe that if you kill somebody like Tim McLain the way that Vince Lee did, that it was a criminal act and criminally responsible. They don't believe in the designation NCR because of a mental disorder that perpetuates stigma. So it buys into people's fears in their own social prejudice. It confirms their stigmas that they've seen on television or Hollywood movies. Because most people portrayed as mentally ill in Hollywood movies or even children's cartoons. Most

of these are portrayed as being violent and untreatable. People watch television and it simply confirms of them. These people are looney tunes, crazy psychos that do not ever recover. You're not going to explain mental illness to people like that who don't understand the science about mental illness. It's

fruitless to try to convince them. Heidi Rimke, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Winnipeg, agrees societal prejudices play a significant role in the demonization of Vincent Lee. Rimky has written extensively about Lee and how his case relates to the broader trend she calls blood lust justice. It's a term she uses to articulate capitalizing on the emotional,

especially fear, resentment, paranoia, and anger. Rimki says the media's handling of the case contributes to the heated rhetoric surrounding Lee, and argues that experts on the subject are not included in the discussion. But who do they put on the mainstream media? The mother There's a reason why victims' families don't participate in the justice process. They're biased. Rimky says, I'm not saying don't let her speak, but be measured.

It's irresponsible. At a hearing at the board in February, doctors recommend Vincent Lee be moved to a psychiatric unit at Winnipeg's Health Sciencest Center and, with continuous assessment, possibly be allowed to move to a Level five group home in Winnipeg. It's not known of Lee as yet made the move or the location of the facility where he may be staying. A Level five group home typically has twenty four hour staffing, supervision and administration of medication, and

at the very least oc curfew. Even listening to true murder, I mean talking about the Greyhound bus cannibal killer. The definition of insanity