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Good Evening. By nineteen sixty six, Hot Springs, Arkansas wasn't your typical sleepy, little southern town. Once a favorite destination for mobsters like al Capone and Lucky Luciano, illegal activities continue to lure out of state gamblers, flim flammen, and high rollers to its race tracks, clubs, and bordellos. Still, the town was shaken to its core after a girl was found dead on a nearby ranch. The ranch owner
claimed it was an accident. Then the rancher was found to be the killer of another woman, his fourth wife. The story begins when thirteen year old Kathy Ward was found dead after horseback riding at Black Snake Ranch on the outskirts of Hot Springs, Arkansas. Frank Davis, the owner of the ranch, tells authorities Kathy's death is an accident. He claims her foot caught in a stirrup and she
was dragged to her death. Despite his pursuit of the runaway horse, people who know the forty two year old skilled horsemen don't believe his story, and soon rumors of her rape and murder began swirling around town. The rumors reach a crescendo after Davis viciously guns down his fourth wife and mother in law in broad daylight outside of
a laundromat. Davis is arrested and charged with first degree murder soon after Hot Springs authorities reopened the investigation into Kathy Ward's Snake Eyes is the first book to examine this notorious villain, featuring personal interviews, crime scene records, court documents, and Davis's own prison files. Author and lifelong Hot Springs resident Biddy Martin reveals the true story for the very
first time. The book that we're featuring this evening is Snake Eyes Murder in a Southern Town with my special guest, journalist and author Biddy Martin. Welcome to the program, and thank you so much for this interview. Biddy Martin, Thank you for inviting me, Dan, Thank you so much for joining us with this incredible tale. First off, tell us how you came. We know that you are a Hot Springs resident, but tell us how you came to this story. When and how you came to this story.
Kathy Ward, the thirteen year old girl that died Dyed Black Snack Ranch, was our junior high school friend. And it was very shocking to us. We've never experienced a deadline that of a peer. The rumors of ripe and martyr begins, and it was just it haunted us because we never really knew what happened to her. They said she was dragted death by a horse, but it was at that time we never knew what really happened, and it's haunted us, and we had gone through a lifetime
wondering about the truth. And then in twenty fourteen, I called my friend Leslie, who was a childhood friend, and told her that I wanted to start digging up this story. I want to see if I could just find Kathy's obituary. Again, we never knew what happened. If it hadn't been for a spooky event that followed, I would have never started researching and interviewing and writing this book. But what I found out is that Kathy was a little princess in a town not far from here, and her father was
a doctor. Her parents separated and her mother moved to Hot Springs in the early sixties. She was a family of divorce and tried to fit in here in Hot Springs with all the kids who had been here all of our lives. By the time she had gone through school, she had acclimated and was doing very well. But one thing that she wanted by the time she reached junior high school was to go horseback riding with some friends
out at Black Snake Ranch. Her mother was a typical mother I guess of a single parent, and she had things that she wanted to do, and sometimes they were to go to the nightclubs here in Hot Springs. Kathy was left at home at times and with her siblings, but they got through it and she by the time she became thirteen, she had started dating the cornerback at the junior high school and everything was going her way, except her mother wouldn't allow her to go horseback riding
with her girlfriends. But for some reason, three weeks after Kathy finished the seventh grade, her mother relented and allowed her to go out to the ranch. Well, of course we all know what happened.
Then she died.
Supposedly she was dragged to death by a horse. That's what the owner of Frank Davis the ranch told the sheriff's deputies, and that's what was accepted. After the investigation, they declared that, yes, indeed, it was an accident. So Frank was let off hot Plate and was living his life with his fourth wife. He had two children, a little toddler and a boy. But for some reason, I guess he was troubled. Forty six days after Kathy's death, his wife leaves him. She takes the children and she
goes to her parents' home and lives with them. And Frank is desperate to be with her and to have the children with him, and he calls her every day, day in and day out, wanting her to come back home and to bring the children back home.
But she won't.
She tells him no, or just call me back later and I'll get back with you. And so Frank Sennastu. He begins stalking her in the fall of sixty six, and she's downtown and shopping and going from store to store, and for some reason she just happens to look and there's Frank driving slowly down the street watching her. She's so frightened that she goes to a lawyer and she files for divorce. By January of nineteen sixty seven. For some reason, Frank thinks that she's coming back to him.
There's no indication why, but he just believes that. So he and his mother go back out to the ranch and wait for her one Sunday afternoon, but she doesn't. Sharon never arrives with the children, and he's and stuck because his mother had gone with him and they were waiting all day, supposedly all afternoon for Sharon to come and bring the children. It was just going to be a celebration. Four days after that, Frank is in a stew He has a rage hand that he had employed
just to watch Sharon. He'd been watching her for quite a while and following her daily pattern. She was a beautician for Frank's mother, who had two beauty shops. He called her up one afternoon, which happened to be Frank's mother's birthday, and tells Frank, oh, she's here at the beauty shop. And for some reason, Frank had been in
a stew All day, Frank goes over there. He watches covertly his mother in law drive up to the beauty shop to pick up Sharon drive off, and he claims he didn't follow them, but later that evening Frank finds them across town at a laundermat. He drives up to the laundermat and gets in an argument with his mother in law while Sharing's inside switching the clothes from and
washer to the driver. After she's finished that, she comes walking back out and gets in the car and Frank is part side by side to their car behind the laundromat, and he and Sharon start talking and for some reason he reaches behind him and there happens to be a shotgun. He pulls it out and just bam shoots Sharing. The mother in law starts screaming jumps out of the car. She was holding a baby sitting right beside Sharon who was in the driver's seat, and there was a toddler
in the back seat. She jumps out of the car, runs out and runs into the lngdernet and just as she hits the back door, Frank names of her, bam shoots her. She falls down and the children are in the in the car alone. But they the police find him later at his mother's house because there were witnesses this time. There weren't any witnesses when Kathy.
Died, or so we think.
They find the owner knew it was Frank, and this is real odd. The owner of the launder mat lived right up the street from Frank's mother in the other direction. The uncle of Sharon's Sharon's uncle lived in the other a block away, so there was like this Bermuda triangle of homes and families involved in this one crime.
That's pretty eerie, I think.
But the police do find Frank at home and they take him away, and he had passed out, probably from drinking so much that day.
But they have.
Him examined and then taking to the jail, and he goes through the process and they charge him with murder. In the meantime, though Sharon lives an hour later after she's been shot, they rush her to the hospital and she does live an hour and she is able to tell them.
Who shot her.
The mother in law is it's taking my ambulance to Little Rock, to a large hospital there where she undergoes surgery. She makes it, but Frank does go through a trial a year later. But now I'm sorry, I am to have to back up because after Frank murders his wife in January of nineteen sixty seven, in April of nineteen sixty seven, the police authorities reopened Kathy's case because originally there have been so many rumors of rape and murder, and people at all pointed their fingers at Frank because
they knew that he had a bad reputation. They knew that he was a skilled horseman and he could have caught a horse that he told them that she had died from falling off of a runaway horse and dragged to death. Well, they knew that he could have caught
that horse. But the authorities opened up Pathy's case, and what they find during a grand jury trial is that Sharon, who is now to cease, had written a note and putting it in She put it in a lock box at the bank where her uncle, who lived a block away from Frank's mother, where her uncle was vice president of the bank. She put it in a lock box, and I guess her uncle told the authorities, well, hey, there's a lock box of Sharon's. Let's see what's in it.
And she'd written in a note, and from that note, and this is what doctor Ward, Kathy's father, told me, because it's a grangery evidence and that can't be FOI. There's no way that they could give me that information without court order. But it had to be from the note that Sharon wrote that the grand jury said, indeed, it wasn't that Kathy didn't die accidentally, it was murdered. And so Frank was charged with Kathy's murder, so she was.
He was charged a few months after murdering his wife with Kathy's death, But the prosecuting attorney said that they would first go through and would help Sharon trial, and they would put Kathy's merch charge on the back burner until they went through this trial.
So now you're talking about the first this. He is now indicted for first degree murder. And now they reopened the investigation into Kathy Ward's death, and then they found some information that Sharon, before she died, was alert enough to be able to put this information in a lock box. And now the authorities have that information. As you said, from a ranch hand, as you write from a ranch hand, that said he knew exactly what had happened, and he
had witnessed it. Yes, So now the information that you find from this grand jury investigation and from your own investigation, what do you find really happened that day despite what Frank Davis had to say.
Okay, Well, from one I learned is that he supposedly took one of the little girls who was there with Kathy riding horses. He took her to search for Kathy as a cover up, and supposedly they found she actually she found the little girl found Kathy's.
Body, right, and that was his.
But then he told the deputies that she had died from a runway horse. So which story do you believe? This story that I was told about the little girl that went with him and found her body was told to me several years into my research and investigation of the story, and I tend to believe that it's true.
Absolutely. Now he's sent to the state hospital and they're going to be psychiatric evaluation. But right as you write, very very interestingly, right from the very beginning when he was passed out of his mother's house, when he awoke, he was incredulous that he had done anything, that he had committed a murder. Of course, total amnesia. After he had spotted Sharon. After those events that are transpired after
including the shooting. Of course, he had no memory, supposedly of any of that tell us a little bit about the kind of behavior he exhibited in prison and the defense that the defense was trying to put forward at this trial.
Okay, while he was in prison, they sent him to the State Hospital and he spent a lot of time there with the doctor telling these bizarre stories about how people were always following him and they were always out to get him. He also told them that he would make a great astronaut, and he never once recognized he bought the whole time that he was at the State hospital that he was there because of his stomach issues. And this goes back to his serving in World War Two.
He was a flight officer and was discharged in nineteen forty five because of stomach problems. And throughout the years he would go to different doctors for his stomach problems, and one told him that it's all in your head, and another one said, oh, no, you do have stomach problems. But he actually thought that while he was there being samined by this psychiatric doctor at the State Hospital after murdering his wife, that he was there because of his
stonach problems. He never wants He did tell them that when he was being held in a holding cell in Hot Springs after having murdered after the incident, that three days later they allowed him to read a newspaper and that's when he read about the story about his wife's death. That he never once admitted it, never in.
Keeping with his background when he was young, you write about that his mother never criticized him and thought, in reaction to his bad behavior when he was very young, that she would just spoil him more, that she would give more attention to him.
Yes, she pampered him. She babed him.
He was a single, he was the only child, and she gave him everything. He had twenty five to fifty horses that she would stable all over Hot Spring And I'm not going to go into all of her. He used his mother like an ATM machine, That's what I will tell you.
And she had financed this black snake ranch endeavor as well.
Yes, she had.
He had another ranch in a different part of the county, and then she bought him this black snake ranch. And they thought that he was finally getting it all together because he had married Sharon, and they'd had two children, and they thought that everything was right in his world. But then pathy died out at the ranch. Then his wife left him, then he murdered his wife. And so
now he's at the state hospital. And he told the doctor there that he was the best teacher of boys that just give him some and he'd have them going the right way, and that they were easier to try a horse, and he just he was a little bit bizarre.
Now, this case is a death penalty case, and in the state it's the electric chair is the choice of death. And so the mother bank roll's good representation. Ironically, on the night that Sharon planned her escape from Frank, he had been involved and supporting a circuit judge for election, Bob Ridgway. Now in this trial, his mother bank rolls the defense, and he is with an attorney named Holt, and also this Bob Ridgway that he had coincidentally supported.
So their defense that they're trying to mount is an insanity defense. And so when you talk about his background, now his mother and others are employed to be able to give this background to support this insane, needy defense, don't they.
Right, there's several witnesses that talked about his bizarre behavior. One of them is his mother tells them about Frank in one week bought five cars. Now what mother buys her son five cars in one week? But what was so telling about that is one of the witnesses said that Frank somehow backed up one of those cars to a tree and he let.
The engine going.
And this was at his mother's house, and it was in the front yard, and the neighbor was nearby, and the engine he turned it on on I think it was like a Saturday night. And the next day it was still there, hiked up on that tree, the back bumper and the engine was still going. And the man was just curious and he went over there and knocked on the front door to find out what happened. If Frank said, oh, I just want to see how long it would take for the amNY miles whatever for the
gas to run out, something pricing like that. But Frank would do crazy things like that. He was now living at his mother's.
House in town. His range was outside of town.
And that same man said that Frank would throw beer cans and liquor bottles out in the yard.
Now, who does that?
But he was just very bizarre, and the neighbors recognized that, and so did his mother. He also did some crizy things like chasing cars down a road and hollering at him and falling down on the ground and hitting his head and just doing crazy things like that. But he wasn't normal.
You talk about that. There was a diagnosis of manic depressive reaction. But basically he had this mood disorder, a psychiatric disorder. But then there was this element of this explosive rage. Suddenly always depressed, manically depressed, manic, and then in these events of rage, and then they cited so many witnesses said things like he threw himself on the
ground and banged his head on the ground. So and many people described it, including his mother and other people, as tantrums, like a very much like a young child would have, right.
And one of the psychiatrists compared it to his son's childish tantrums. And then they also brought out the faking bad that Frank was faking bad, and the different doctors.
They finally had a team that came down and made a conclusion that he needed actually to stay in the state hospital and spend more time in the state hospital, and this was when he was being examined.
Right now, the trial progresses, and of course you mentioned that the dueling psychiatrists. Of course his psychiatrists claiming that he didn't know right from wrong, and of course these other psychiatrists saying very well that he was certainly sane at that time and was not suffering from any mental illness that would mitigate this death penalty sentence. Before we get to what happens at this trial, let's stofer these messages from our sponsor, which is Best Fiends. It was
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Okay, Kathy's again, Kathy's murder charges on the back burner while they're going through his trial, and Frank is sentenced to death.
Knowing that.
Kathy's parents realize that he's going to be in prison and they're glad about that. But Harry goes to prison and he's on death row, and he's sitting on death row and his mother's in the background trying to pull stringscoring, well, there's one that she didn't need to pull that it was a lucky one, and it's that the governor. Governor went their Brocketfellers going out out of office, and he
decides to pardon death row. He's against the death penalty, and he decides he's going to pardon all of them, and Frank's one of them, and he's he becomes a member of the general prison population and he gets a life sentence. So now he's alive for knowing that Kathy's parents and the prosecute attorney everyone knows that now he's in for life. And Kathy's parents decide that they don't want to go through another they don't want to go
through a trial. They can't handle it, so they decide that not to proceed with it, and they discourage it, and the prosecuting attorney, because of that, decides to hansel that process and they remove the charges because everyone thinks Frank's now in prison for life and there's no way he's.
Going to get out.
Little do they know that in the meantime, while Frank's in for life, now he's able to get out around the prison and he's becomes a trustee because of his background, his college degree in agriculture from Texas Tech. He can ride a horse and he can handle the cattle and he's good at that, and they make him a trustee in that capacity. Frank takes advantage and he begins slipping out of prison and is seen up here in Hot Springs.
His mother in law swears that she was so frightened him she wouldn't leave her house after dark, and she couldn't drive because her injuries from the gunshop wound, but she would find cigarette butts outside in her backyard on the backsteps. Convinced that was Frank Davis. They said that his girlfriend was getting meeting him and bringing him up here.
To Hot Springs.
The county clerk also swear so that she saw him one year at the County Fair that out a corner of her eye she saw something, looked back and there was Frank with his hand guessturing like a gun, pointing at her. He was frightened. He was up here haunting people. Other people said that they saw him at the County pier. Can you imagine, David, he's in Hot Springs. How did he get out of prison? He was looking out of prison and get back, so he took full advantage of that.
In the meantime, because he was.
Now alifer, his mother started to crusade to get him. He owed she somehow she found an attorney down there near the prison and who was very well connected in the political world here in Arkansas, and she hired him to start working on Frank's carroll. And she also would do other things like get very distinguished people here in Hot Spring to sign a document saying that he should
be released from prison and such. But she was in the background trying to pull strings to get him out of prison, while he was actually doing a lot of it on his own.
You say that between his mother and himself, he's trying to get this parole hearing. What's interesting is that and people opposed to this are saying he started off with being slated for execution, then it was commuted to a life sentence, and now they're calling every bit of his time as at least fifteen years that would then allow him potentially to apply for paroles. So they again massaged everything everyone to be able to try to get this
from a death penalty case to eligibility for parole. Not to say that he was it was guaranteed, but his mother and the attorneys got to the point where he was deemed eligible for parole, which was incredible really considering.
It was in fact he had there. He had some problems in prison, and he but he would make up. I don't know how he did it, but he finally got in their good graces and he worked his way through this trustee situation and somehow he was able to get reassigned to another prison in Arkansas that was lower level, it wasn't the high security type prison, and he went there to this other location where actually it's where they
raised all the cattle for the prison system. So he was a great asset to them because of his background. He was a US CAT inspector after he graduated from college, and I guess they thought this would be a good thing, and they took him, and it was at a different part of the state, which coincidentally was often not far from Murphysburg, where Kathy's father lived, right And one night doctor Ward received a phone call that Frank Davis had gone down here. I'll take care of him. But they
later he took off on a horse. And while this was going on, I think it was a Friday night, word got down here to Hot Springs, because that's about three mile or three hours away, up in the northern part of the northwestern part of the state. The newspapers covered the story about Frank's escape, and people were scared down here. He was frightening terrorized Hot Springs, and they
remembered the murders. They remembered Kathy's brutal murder and his wife's horrible death out there at the Launderat, and people were afraid of him. They set up some roadblocks for him up there near the prison where he escaped, and finally two days later they found him and his horse. When they found him, he had tied his horse to a tree because he said he had just given up
on him and he was on foot. They so they took him from that prison and took him back to the high security prison and put him into the cell blocked down there, and again he was able to He was a smooger, he was very gregarious, and he worked his way back into their good favored and that's with his mother's health. They just kept pulling strings, and he started doing research and met a man that worked there in the prison who would help prisoners try to get
them out of the prison system. For one reason or another, their health or their loved ones were sick, and for whatever reason, he was there trying to advocate for him and get them out of the hostel, out of the prison system. So Frank was sitting off letters to various ones, to his attorneys. He had these attorneys his mother had gotten and he found some new attorneys based on some research he had done about a murder in another town with the man that had the same situation as him.
But he was pulling strings while his mother was trying to pull strings to get him out of the prison. But in the meantime he married his fifth wife. She obviously was the woman who had been going down to the prison and bringing him back up here to Hot Springs, and my research I found out that she was at his mother's house the night that he murdered Sharon, his fourth wife, and that she also had a baby in
July after murdering. After Frank murdered Sharon in January, this woman who would become his fifth wife, had their baby in July of that year. But they never had married, but she had stayed in touch with Miss David, Frank's mother, Irene, and I guess they decided to get married and he was able to get out on a leave to marry his fifth wife, and that's when the problems started. That's when he had been taken to this new low security prison and had escaped. And they said that sometimes prison
would do that because of family matters. In the meantime, they were having the mother. Now the mother and his wife were doing all they could to get him out of prison.
They'd write him letters.
They were big letter writers, and they supported him through every episode. I'm sure that he still had his chronic stomach issues and they were there backing him up. And now not only did he have his mother babying him, he had a wife that was treating him the same way. And I guess that's he never really in my viewpoint, he never really could become a responsible grown adult because he was treated like a child all of his life by his mother, and I think she did a disservice
to him for treating him that way. So there he is in prison, doing everything he can to get out when it looks like it is promising the local newspapers, because the parole board brings him up to Pureau and every time he comes up to Pureah. I did hear this most recently from Kathy Ward's mother's cousin who just contacted me recently. She said that Sarah Ward would go to the parole board every time to talk against them
releasing him. And there was also an insurance agent here in town that Frank had threatened, and he was always there, and doctor Ward would speak up also, and they were always against parole. And he went through several of them where he was denied by the new governor and such. But it got down to the point to where he was eligible parole because his mother's attorneys had finally found
some loop holes and he was up for parole. When that got back to Hot Springs, the judge and several law authorities and such would ride against it, but What happened is that the editor of our local newspaper wrote a front page editorial against his bureau.
And that's when I found out.
It was like it was like a gim had fallen out in the sky, and it was just I was so excited because in that editorial was finally the proof of the note that Sharon had left in the lock box that Frank had murdered a little black boy who must have been one of the ranks hands. And that's where it's a loop. Here is where he told Sharon about what he had witnessed when Frank murdered Kathy, and supposedly Frank murdered him. Well, there it was in a newspaper.
They said that it was leg that he had murdered not oh, well, he had murdered Kathy and his wife, Sharon, but also it was rumored that he had murdered a little black boy there at the rank. So all of that came together in that editorial with the editor fighting to keep Frying from being released from prison.
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and says publicly that it's a big mistake. Tell us about what happens in your investigation of what happens to Frank afterwards, and also tell us a little bit about this skateboard secret.
Okay, Frank finally is parode in the dark the night he leaves the prison and they've.
Made a pact with Oregon.
There's some kind of process where he had an uncle up there and that he would go to Oregon to live under the supervision of his.
Uncle in Oregon.
So he's up there and his mother's by then, his mother is now on her fourth husband, and she and her fourth husband and Frank's fifth wife and his child by that wife live in Oregon, and Frank is there. I think it's like in January of eighty four. He's released and goes to Oregon, and his mother dies not long after there there in Oregon, but she does get to spend several months with her son finally as a free man there in the Oregon and he is there.
He's back to his old ways where he was always a horse trader, and he has some friend up in that area, not in the Portland area, but actually up in Washington where he goes to do some horse trading and dies up there, and the prison gets noticed that he's died in Washington while he's listening to his friend.
But they conduct.
An autopsy and it is declared by natural causes. So Frank by that time, in nineteen eighty four, has died and his wife moves back to Hot Springs. But what's so telling about that is that all the years that Frank was on the front page of the newspaper, during the trials and the murders and the trials, when he dies, he's relegated to this tiny little column on the side of the newspaper. And it's not even the top story in that digest column. He's the fourth story down. He's
finally out of the people's gress. But I think because it was that little story, he never had an obituary, because he it was just so nondescript that people really didn't realize that Frank Davis was dead, and they still think he's alive, and they're still afraid of him. There are people who would not give me interviews because they were afraid that he was still alive. R So I'm going to go to the story about that. It all
comes full circle about the skateboard. Days before Kathy Board died at Black Snake Branch, she had been skateboarding with my neighbor across the street with Leslie, and she left her. Kathy left her skateboard at Leslie's house after she died a few days later, Kathy had left her skateboard there, and Lessie had hidden it in a bush and told her, well, I'm going to camp to church camp at the Twins. That's me and my twin, and I'll be back on Friday.
Let's go skateboarding this weekend. But then we get home we find out that Kathy's died out on this terrible, tragic accident out at the ranch. Lessie goes outside and she finds Kathy's skateboard still there, stuck in some bushes where she had left it for Kathy to pick up that week while she was gone. Leslie's had that skateboard all these years. In twenty fourteen is when she thought it was lost, and that's when her handyman finds it up in the attic on the forty eighth anniversary of
Kathy's death. And that was a mystery there too, because Leslie didn't know when it was founding. I asked her and she said, well, I wrote him in a check and she gave me the date. And after I discovered the date of Kathy's death, I put two and two together and realized that Kathy's skateboard had reappeared on the forty eighth anniversary of her death. She wanted this story, Toad, and now it is told in the book Snake Eyes Murder in a southern town.
Yes, you talk about too, that there was a grave site the unknown where she was buried. And so a friend involved in this story, somewhere along the line made it his business to find out. And so you visit the grave site, don't you.
Every year on June twenty fourth, Leslie and I drive up to Murphysboro Park, Saw which is about an hour away, to visit Kathy at the Murphy's Bar Cemetery. I guess it was probably, I guess the second year actually we were there. We were taking pictures because Leslie would always spring Kathy's skateboard and we take flowers, and we were getting a picture with us with Kathy's skateboard that year.
When we got back in the car, I wanted to look at him and I showed it to Leslie, the picture of Leslie holding the skateboard right there Kathy's headstone. The pixels were distorted, but it's what The distortion came from the headstone and traveled upward like there was somebody next to Leslie was just this black eary figure standing there beside Leslie. That's never happened before, and it's never happened since.
And I believe that.
There was more to it than just and it wasn't a dysfunction of the camera. I think that Kathy was there with us that day. Call me crising, but I do.
I believe you absolutely, this book is very important to you and very personal. Tell us a little bit about this book release, when it's to be released or when it was released, and also if there's a website that people might take a look at about this book.
Well, the book was released this past Sunday. It's done very well here in our area. People are sending me notes every day. I've got the book. I've got the book.
But they're also excited because this Sunday, I'm going to be holding a book signing and program and within this program that I really don't know what's going to happen, and we don't until it happens that day, but it's going to be a big celebration for us, and it's also going to be a closure because we never attended her funerals, So it's finally, after all these years, we're going to be able to say goodbye to Kathy. Now, I do have a website and it's Biddy Martin dot com.
That's b I T.
T Y Martin dot com. There's a lot of information on there, and I have all my speaking engagements. I'll be at a lot of different book clubs. I have a presentation and power point that I give to all these different groups, and I'll be at one tomorrow morning. It's it's thirty, but it's Bittymartin dot com. And thank you for asking.
Dan.
Thank you so much, and you will with this book have told the story of your friend Kathy Ward, the story that till this point has been unknown. So I want to thank you so much for this interview Snake Eyes Murder in a Southern town. It's been fascinating. Thank you so much, Bittty Martin. You have a great evening, and good night, Thank you, Dan. Good night.
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