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Good Evening, Sarge is a fascinating memoir by the late Chicago Police detective Sergeant John A. DiMaggio, one of the most decorated officers on the force during a career that spanned the years nineteen fifty seven to nineteen ninety one. Among his awards are two Superintendentwards of Valor, Mayor Richard J. Dai's Praiseworthy Acknowledgment Plaque for Exceptional Act of Bravery and involving risk of life, a Presidential Citation of Appreciation, the
Illinois Police Association Award of Valor, and many more. Upon his retirement in nineteen ninety one, DiMaggio wrote a fascinating account of his work as a cop. The manuscript languished among his personal effects until after his death in two thousand and eight, after which his family decided to resurrect it, spruce it up, and submit it for publication. It turns out that he was an excellent word craftsman and storyteller.
In fact, he was no stranger to writing. For many years he wrote the Ask Sarge column for the Mystery Writers of America Midwest Chapter newsletter. Told in a conversational, regular guy voice. In episodic fashion, Sarge reveals to the reader what really was like to be a cop. The manuscript, in many ways, takes the form of a prose treatment of a weekly television police drama. A large selection of
photos is included. Demaggio takes the reader back to the decades such as the turbulent sixties, when the police department was making a painful transition from old school to modernization. The author describes firsthand the legendary riots that occurred in Chicago after the assassination of marthlur Luther King Junior. He illustrates the integration of minorities into the department and how
that played out. He also goes into famous cases of corruption and the politics of navigating such a large department. One of the set pieces of the book is the story of how DiMaggio, as part of the Three Musketeers, a trio that included two detectives who were close friends, investigated a series of terrifying slasher attacks on women that occurred in the city in the mid seventies. The case
became one of the police departments most memorable. Among the other cases detailed in the book include how DiMaggio found himself entering the home of a crazed young man holding hostages with a shit shotgun, the investigation of the discovery of a headless corpse, the takedown of the Chicago mad mommer, how an anonymous audio tape provided clues to the identities of arm robbers, and the man hunt or a cop killer.
The book that we're featuring this evening is Sarge Cases of a Chicago Police detective Sergeant in the nineteen sixties, seventies, and eighties, with my special guest, attorney Deborah DiMaggio. Welcome to the program, and thank you so much for this interview. Deborah DiMaggio, Thank you, Dan, thank you for having me. Thank you so much. I forgot to introduce to the audience your collaboration in this book as collaborator and executive
producer and publisher. Let's start off immediately with the genesis of this published book by your father. When was it written. When did he retire? Tell us about some of the details and the genesis of this book, Sarge.
He retired in February of ninety one. His retirement party was a month or two later, and we saw so many people show up up to honor him. And then my parents went to Las Vegas, where many Chicago police retire and they find security jobs in the casinos. So I think my dad worked at a golf course for a little bit and he had some security jobs part time.
He was writing this book and it was a memoir, and it started out simply focus on the Dominique Slasher case, and he visited the prison and obtained an interview, and in the book he quote unquote said he was fascinated by the criminal mind, and this case got to him, and I think he wanted to understand the reason for those crimes and perhaps humanize the perpetrator on some level, not thinking or saying he should be released, but to
simply understand him the why. So after my father's death in two thousand and eight, my brother shipped all of the manuscrit to me, and being the lawyer in the family, they thought I might have some contacts, so I would mention it here and there, and organically I met an entertainment lawyer, I met a screenwriter, and interestingly enough, the
screenwriter his career. He went into making horror films because of the book Three Boys Missing, which was another crime on the Northwest Side and it was very highly unusual for crime in that area. And then we met down the line Raymond Benson, who is an acclaimed author with more than forty books and was hired by Ian Fleming for the Bond series to author a book some of their novels. And I know that my dad had some help from Wayne claff so he should be given some credit.
So we wound up getting Crossroad Press. They were interested. I got a message the day after my birthday, We'd be honored to publish your dad's book. And here we are.
Now when was this book launched?
October of twenty eighteen.
Now, before we start, we're going to talk about the Robert Dominique case, and we're going to talk about another case of the Valerie Percy murder. Let's talk about the book launch and who shows up the book launch.
We had the book launch, and I stayed in touch with one of the victims, who will remain anonymous, and my dad used anonymous a fake name in the book, and I asked their permission to have the book published, and they said that your dad was our hero, and anything he wanted, we want. And I don't think they ever listened to the tape. I'm not sure if they read the book, but they attended the book launch and remained anonymous to the crowd that showed up, family and friends.
You right that you always knew your follow was a cop.
But in the writing and well the publishing of this book and the collaboration and getting it all together for publication, did you learn in that regard?
I learned what he was doing each day, and why he had so much fear, and why he was so strict. And we didn't know anything about the day to day goings on his police work when we were kids, and it wasn't until college law school those years that we learn about the cases, but not in the detail where his life was in danger or how brave he really was. We saw the camaraderie and the brotherhood of his friends and fellow police officers. They were so tight, tighter than
any other industry. And I learned about his integrity and how honorable he was. I certainly knew that as his daughter, but it was really made evident. We knew about his work ethic, We knew it was honorable, We knew it was just worthy. We knew he was honest, but we didn't really realize the time and what a rear breed these police officers are in our society.
Absolutely, you say, this book is filled, and this book is filled with stories of your father's bravery and other police officers, his unique brand of integrity that sometimes went against the brass, his intuition, his intellect in trying to solve crimes, and his great passion for the badge itself and justice, and his energy that he put forth in this relentless pursuit of justice that he had basically from
his own volition. You talk about one of the stories in this book, and this book is filled with stories of burglary, robbery, murder, and the sixties riots Martin, Luther
King and beyond. Let's talk about a case that your father was instrumental in solving, and a particularly interesting case of a woman named Valerie Percy, her father Charles Percy, running for the Senate in nineteen sixty six, tell us about Percy tell us about Charles Percy and his family and this campaign that he was involved with in nineteen sixty six, and what happens September eighteenth, nineteen sixty six.
Well, it's fascinating because the murder occurred into Kenilworth and it's a very wealthy suburb of Chicago, and crimes just don't occur, and maybe littering or a speeding ticket, but not murder. And he was a celebrity. He was the chairman of Ellen Howell, who was a state senator and more than likely was going to run for president. This murderer.
And I asked my father and he said, this criminal, the man that he believed committed this murder likely climbed a tree that faced their windows and spied on this family for weeks to know their patterns, and he was prepared. And it came down to looking at them and criminal scaff patterns. And it was based on this pattern that I believe my father figured out who did it, and
he was convinced. It remains a cold case today. But I heard through people who knew Senator Percy, that Senator Percy knew about the young detective assigned from Chicago who told Senator Percy, who he believed killed his daughter. And then you had the twin Sharon, who was engaged to John D. Rockefeller the third And I think they didn't want any more publicity once they knew that this career criminal died in jail escaping from jail, or trying to escape from jail and dove into what he thought was
a river, but it was really a creak. That was the end for the family, But on the books it remained the cold case.
Your father brings this horrifying story, horrifying for the family and of course for Valerie. On September eighteenth, nineteen sixty six, he writes that an intruder cut through the patio screen and glass section of the French doors of the Percy seventeen room mansion, and this is in the exclusive suburb
of Kenilworth. The mother, Lorraine, is awoken by the sound of broken glass and she goes to investigate her daughter's room and she finds a shadowy figure standing over her daughter about five eight, one hundred and sixty pounds, and she awakes her husband, but this person gets away. And what you talked about this how your father had solved this was right away in the autop she she had been hit with a heavy instrument that left peculiar pine
cone shaped dense in her skull. So your father being astute and following this investigation, and this book is also filled with so many fateful events where it seemed to be divine intervention to assist people like your father in these investigations that were so important to him and of
course to the victims and their families. But in the course of his investigation, and doggedly he pursues this, he does find that peculiar cone shaped weapon or the weapon that produced those cone shaped type wounds on this person's on valeries had didn't it right?
In the autopsy room there was a case of weapons and the handle of a certain old fashioned gun had that triangular part to it, and he asked them to take it out of the case. And I think that
was the turning point. And not only that, the history of the criminal he had a contempt for the wealthy, and he would put himself on even par by taking over their house, by taking their possessions, by robbing, by in this case murdering, and in one case he defecated on the floor and then wiped himself and left a silk scarf there. Another one, he killed the cat and placed the pett the dead pet, next to the sleeping
woman in the house. In another case, he ejaculated into a condom, tied the condom, and then put it in the woman's purse before he left after robbing the house. So this was one truly extraordinarily sick individual.
These stories are filled with the connection that he has with other police officers, the trust that he has in his partners, and he has, as in the Dominique case, an opportunity to hand pick his partners and his team. It's very interesting in this Percy case that he was given information through another detective who had an informant, and that detective got information from that format, but as he writes,
he could not get that information verified. So he went to your father, and then your father was able to go ahead and verify some of this information. Again, these stories are all filled with a combination of your father's integrity, is keen intuition, and then just some faithful turn of events that end up being a lucky thing, like him stumbling into or not stumbling but walking into the crime lab and just having a look after he had spoke
with Johnson, Chief Johnson. So this is the kind of things that this book is filled with the stories of bravery where your father runs out of a runs into a building where a woman is screaming, doesn't wait for the fire department, sometimes doing foolish things, and sometimes bucking the system that he's working in the police department that he's working for, and being temporarily demoted for his insubordination.
But yet he regrets none of it because he was part of his character and part of his need to do what he felt was necessary, sometimes often refusing some direct orders to be able to pursue what he felt was necessary.
Right, he had a little bit of dirty Harry, and I definitely found that out. And part of it was luck, but part of it was talent. And he was very competent and trustworthy. So the superintendent knew that he could assign the two man team and trust my father, and he was dedicated. I saw a lot of perseverance. He was thorough, perfectionist, high iq disciplined, and work ethic, and
those are traits that he taught us. So he told me he didn't give a lot of advice, and I think he was really happy that I became a lawyer, because he wanted to become a lawyer. But my mother got pregnant and he went on the police force and dashed that hope. But he told me, you get one reputation in life, you don't get a second chance.
You say that.
He also didn't talk about his work being as a father. He did not bring that home, did not at all.
We would see him on television here and there when he made a big bus or big pinch they call it, but or see in the newspaper, but we didn't know the danger he was in. He was a police officer, he also remarked, and it was interesting how he also talked about it in the book. The public association with the police department is usually traffic stuff, and that's their only connection or what they see or their only interaction
with the police. And he said it's really a shame because they don't see the detectives, the sergeants, the commanders, and all the work that goes into working a homicide case or a robbery, or seeing how the victims and their families are so appreciative of the hard work and the dedication of those officers and the patrolmen are certainly any traffic stoff could wind up being their last, and
they are certainly working hard. But he did comment it's unfortunate that the public doesn't see the other work that the police officers are doing to selve crimes.
He writes about many of the cases that he was involved with and talks about the kinds of things that police officers see sometimes on a daily basis, working in robbery, working in a big city, working when murder.
Rates were very, very high, and crime rates were.
At their highest, without the police having almost any semblance of technology in order to assist them. He talks about employing that camaraderie between police officers and how they cope with some of the trauma, like some of the things seeing a person blown his face, blown off, his body, headless, corpse. And this book is filled with those kinds of thing things that a police officer, whether a veteran or a novice, would have to experience those things and then after decompress
and recover from that. And your father talked about the ways police officers did do that.
Yes, they had each other, and only that's when he said, only a cop can understand another cop. That tightened the bond between them, and most of his friends were fellow police officers, detectives that work for him, worked with him, and he really had a team approach. He didn't act like a boss. He and he really taught us that they were a team. And once when he had back surgery and he was on pain killers, I decided to venture and ask him a question. What was the toughest
case you had to solve? And he said, oh, that's easy to answer. No head, no hands, no feet, And that was the case. You mentioned the tru Anna hotel. And I don't think correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think it's mentioned in the book. And maybe he was. Maybe he was trying to protect somebody from making a mistake on the crime scene. But first they found out who the murdered person was by locating his car that was left parked on the street. Okay, but how did
they catch the murderer. There were wine glasses, so the woman wooed the murderer into the hotel room and the boyfriend or colleague, her colleague was there waiting to murder him. And I think it had to do with drugs, And there were wine glasses and from the prince on the wine glasses and I don't think that was in the book. They picked up and it led to the murderer, the arrest.
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When we last left off, we were talking about the cases that really struck your father as extraordinary, and those are the ones that are included in this incredible book, Serget Cases of a Chicago Police Detective Sergeant nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty one of the cases that affected him the most, and it is testament by the coverage that he does, the amount of detail that he goes into, and this particular story titled the Three Musketeers. First tell
us who these three musketeers are. At least tell us about the three Musketeers before we start.
They were detectives that my father respected and enjoyed working with because they were intelligent, dedicated, loyal, hard working, honorable, and they had the same traits that he had. And another trait that I left out. I think that police officers are pretty non judgmental because they see they see the fabric of the life where these people are situated, and he saw both sides. He saw criminals who are kind of good guys, and he saw some cops who kind of worked with guys. So it just leaves you
non judgmental. It's very, very similar to handling divorce cases like I do. Just you're non judgmental. You just take it where these people are at and you go forward with it. So I have the pleasure of meeting mister Nolan and mister Rochel, who were part of the Three Musketeers. I was probably much too young, and I know that we lost mister Nolan at a very early age.
Right.
Your dad writes that A long nightmare began half an hour before dawn on Saturday, November eighth, nineteen seventy five, with nineteen year old Carrie Barnes.
She was out at a bar.
She bumped into an acquaintance of hers, Mike Butch Brooks. She left this bar and noticed a strange looking man behind her and thought she was being followed. Had that feeling, but then when she got right up to her home there was a man with something in a paper bag and he was asking for directions. She thought maybe he was drunk, but then he said, hey, you want to be nice to me, how about a blowjob? So she was angered and said why don't you go to Howard Street and look for it? And then he said I
want to blow jab. He got aggressive and said he want to have sex, and she said, if you don't leave, I'll call the police.
Regardless they he.
Pulled a blue handle that was protruding from the bag and said he was going to kill her, and then he drew it. What this was was a hatchet from the bag. She panicked and ran and then he attacked her in this hallway, took the light, took the light bulb bout so it was dark to assist him, and hacked her with this hatchet.
Right, tell us a little more.
He was merciless. He went for her face and there were thirteen glows ultimately with this axe, and then left her for dead and raped her. And somehow she was able to push a button and get her mother's attention or her sister. Her eye was out of her socket. It was It was brutal, absolutely brutal.
She tells police.
Because police asked if she knows who were an attacker is, and she says, who what does she tell police attacker.
The boy she was at the bar with, but it wasn't him, and later on she didn't even remember saying that, which when my dad interviewed Butch, in his heart of hearts, he didn't think this guy was the guy who did it and no reason to attack her like he did. And that's what and that really sparked my dad into action because what he believed was this innocent man in jail, there was someone out there was committing these crimes and who was going to do it again. Andy did so. Again,
my dad looked for them. And it wasn't just like in the other case, just like in Percy when the informer or the police officer who had the informer. They trusted my dad and that's earned over many years. And then here we are back to reputation that he could handle it, he could take it to the next level, he could solve the crime. Andy did so.
Yeah, you write that he took it to this Lieutenant Gallot, and Gallot listened to him in earnest to what he had to say regarding Brooks's innocence and also that there was someone else responsible completely and this looked like he had said like the beginning of something like a series of things. Again, the serial killer, the even the word series associated with serial crimes was not coined as of yet, was it right? Kerry had been struck eight times on the top of her head sixty of and five times
in the face. She would recover but remain disfigured for life, and she was in a coma for several days, and they asked her if she wanted her dead eye to be placed in the socket or an artificial one put in. So with this the confidence of Lieutenant Gallot, and there is a felony review system. What happens in terms of persuading and getting enough evidence to be able to be able to caller this person.
Well, thankfully, Lieutenant Yella just in my father and allowed the investigation to continue, and they drove around the area knowing that this could happen again, and when they got the call. The next attack was five days later, on November thirteen, but this time it was a stabbing with a hunting knife, and everyone else around my dad said
it wasn't an ax. It's not the same, and my dad matched the viciousness, and that was the connection between these crimes and also the mention of a blowjob, and that they were attacks on young women and the weapon was with a blade, and the attack on the face, the focus on the face. And then they cross checked when they got closer to catching him, and they got the logs from the diner he was working, as at is, a short order cook, and sure enough he was off on the dates of both attacks, and he.
Attacked another woman, as you mentioned, Maggie Flynn, and as you say, very even though it was a knife, there was similarities that your father recognized right away. But to his credit, even his own team of two other officers didn't necessarily.
Agree with them, did they.
That's right, but Lieutenant Gallat said persevere and continue with this investigation. He had that kind of confidence in your father, didn't he.
That's right. And then Maggie ultimately gave the artist rendering, and they both everyone said he had these dead, glassy eyes. And if you take a look at that artist rendering and take a look at his directional picture or it's the penitentiary intake photo, yes, the correctional corrections photo, yeah, you can notice notice what they described. And ultimately that helped and again my father saw the pattern and these
career criminals looked up were their sex offenses. They have a history, and when he was let out of jail or on probation, and they figured it out. And there was another attack with a knife November sixth, where Dominique took her purse, but it was listed as a robbery and that's why they didn't know about it. So this actually started before the November eighth attack.
You're right of another attack with the Christine Peacher. She's a twenty three year old traveling on a train and she was followed from that station again this perpetrator. This perpetrator carried a black attache case and no words were spoken, and then when she tried to go inside, he pulled a small axe from under his jacket and lunged at her, and she tried to fight him off, and he flashed
her head. She grabbed the hatchet, but he had done incredible damage and then he calmly put that hatchet in his briefcase and left the lobby, calmly and slowly.
Incredibly, Christine survived.
Incredibly, All these brave girls survived strength their will. There was another attack where you know they're part of it was he was drinking beer taking the CTA thirty minutes after he attacked Maggie Flynn and the CTA patrol stopped him and found that knife, and I think that was one of the clues where they really were onto him as a result of that.
It's a man hunting.
Your father chronicles every move that he and his team make and they finally find out that from a parole officer. That's not corrupt, he says, many are. He says he found out the address or the former address. Then he ends up at a flophouse and they're prepared for a dangerous individual from the viciousness of the attacks, but they bang on the door and to his surprise, how does Robert Dominique answer the door?
What's his attire?
He opens the door and he's in frilly girls underwear and lingerie.
So he's not so dangerous, it seems by his appearance. Your father talks to him, questions him, is he cooperative?
Very? And it wound up being his birthday. He said things. Everything bad happens to him on his birthday. He may have been relieved that he was caught.
He asked he wanted to talk about his problem. He has to talk to your father and the others about his problem.
What did he say? His problem primarily was he was abandoned and he was cast away.
He was institutionalized when he was thirteen. He hated his mother and all the attacks on women. He pictured and visualized his mother and wanted to just hit their face and destroy them like he thought she destroyed him. And yet in other moments he would say she was the only one that protected him from his aunt who was mean, and his stepfather who rejected him.
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You talk about his abandonment, your father writes about his abuse that he claims and that he hated his mother. His mother put him in an institution when he was thirteen, and he said, I don't know how much you can believe, but like your father had said, he believed it is that they said, we're not putting you an institution, we're
getting rid of you. So he stayed in that institution, he says, and was abused and learned to sexual favors for money, he said, in that seven years in that institution, Yes, and.
Then there was an incident at age sixteen where he was raped and they denied it. He was drugged, he was anally raped and required ditches in his anus, and yet they continue to deny he was raped.
Dominique.
When he was talking to your father and the other officers, some point asked, because he seemed to figure out that women did he attack weren't dead, and he was surprised, wasn't he?
Yes.
The thing that fascinated your father greatly was the idea that this was such a vicious killer. But he was such a polite and seemingly calm, polite individual. Again I say polite, but he was very confused with this dichotomy between the two characters, the viciousness and this contrite and polite criminal polite.
Yet he never showed he remorse.
No, your father worked on this case, and at some point sixteen years later I believe, he writes he was interested in interviewing Robert Dominique.
Again, why was that? And tell us more about this interview.
I think this case haunted my dad. He and like you pointed out, he couldn't understand that dichotomy. And like you said before, he was fascinated by the criminal mind. And now he had the time, the wherewithal and by writing the book, wanted to understand all of it a little better. How did this man come to being to be able to act like that? What happened to him? And he was very calm and thorough in the interview, and just like a deposition, you'd get more bees with honey.
And even though my dad didn't go to law school, after hearing that interview, and of course I heard it after he passed away, I was very proud of him. He conducted himself like a lawyer, and he didn't put an answer into the question. He asked an open ended question and let the answer be the truth and whatever the answer really was, and it really is a fascinating interview. I hope that you'll listen to it.
Absolutely, he was only sentenced for the attack back of Maggie Flynn, but yet he was given deservedly one hundred to two hundred years in prison. So by the time your father went to interview him, but there was no animosity whatsoever for putting him behind bars, was there none at all?
As a matter of fact, my dad mentioned he was his first visitor in sixteen years now, one wow, person in his life had visited him.
You're right too that his friend, one of the Musketeers three Musketeers, Paul Rappel was had volunteered to go with your father as well to the interview. Again, just just curious and another dedicated cop. Yeah, it's something you can't walk into alone. Tell us more about this interview and what your father learned. Dominique had helped police go to all the crime scenes and gave all the.
Details of his attacks, very very cooperative.
As you had mentioned, what if anything did your father learn from this interview in terms of any kind of evidentiary value whatsoever.
Well, backing up in the book, my dad mentioned that the ax wasn't in his apartment, and he said he went hunting for another woman, didn't found find her. Didn't you have the right urge wrapped the axe up and put it in a dumpster. And when they were driving around the scenes where he had committed these acts of violence and attacked women, he brought them to the dumpster and sure enough there was the ax. So they had
the weapon that he used. And like you said, it was very cooperative and during the interview at Staysfill prison he was very forthcoming. I don't think I remember a question that he said, I don't want to answer that. Anything my dad asked, he answered and gave Lura details. And when he was I think seven years old, there was a neighbor down the street who was I guess you'd say, a pervert who would have him give him
oral sex. And then he would give the boy of seven oral sex and gave him women's clothes to wear, and then when he went home, he'd wear his mom's clothes and if the mom caught him, then she would beat him for doing that. So it was he gave the details of his life that he was cast away, his father left, or they were divorced at a very
early age. The stepfather resented him. He had a blind younger brother brother, I think, and after being institutionalized, that became his life at age thirteen, and it was very sexual from a very young age. And I remember at age eleven he tried to have his first act of sex.
He talks about the rage when all of the age was released. He'd the wall would come back, he'd say, and he'd feel relaxed. So he talks about as you as you mentioned this urge, he just he said to your father in closing, when he was walking out of the facility after the interview, he called out to your father and said, the maggio, if you write a book, make sure you tell everyone there are a lot of lucky women out there, because I looked at a lot of them, but I just didn't have the urge. I
know when that urge is coming. And your father wrote at that time in this book he says if he was ever paroled, he'd strike again.
No doubt, a good reason for him to stand jail.
Absolutely, it's fascinating that he was so cooperative. Again, each serial killer seems to have these shared characteristics. But as your father writes in this book, and shows and demonstrates that this is a very unique killer. And thankfully he was met with your father and was cooperative and gave up the details. As we write, he only was convicted of one attack, even though there was four women that brutally attacked and disfigured and traumatized for life.
And I don't understand that, but perhaps it had to do with some of the women weren't stable enough or willing to testify, because it seemed like the trials back then happened much more quickly than they do.
And I think too that if you look at the sentence, which was one hundred years to two hundred years, it looks like with that one conviction that one and I'm not sure if there was multiple likely there were multiple charges attached to this, including attempted murder to get the one hundred to two hundred years, but I think prosecutors often, it seems my experience, that they tried to focus on the most provable and winnable case, and with a kind
of sentence like this, it really doesn't matter. I know it will matter to the victims' families and the victims themselves, but in judicial terms, it won't really matter. Since he will have an effect of a life sentence and will die in prison.
Right, I was trying to think of it. It's called the correctional profile and it's one hundred and ninety nine year sentence.
I want to thank you so much Deborah DiMaggio for coming on and talking about Sarge cases of a Chicago police detective sergeant in the sixties, seventies, and eighties, or people that might want to take a look at this. I know this book has been released in twenty eighteen and it's all over Amazon.
That's where I found it.
Tell us a little bit about the Facebook page that will be up for Sarge.
There's also an audio version, and we won the Audio Book Award for Memoir category. And we have a company called Come Together Entertainment, LLC. It's listed under that, and there will be a Sarge Facebook page, but it's definitely on Amazon. I have to do is Google Sarge. And I'm pretty proud of the cover art. Matt Devine, the lead singer of Kill Hannah, designed it. It's one of my best friends and he did this in one take.
Wow.
The only change was this is my dad's original star and we put the original on there.
Fantastic.
There's also interesting note the Dennis Farina of Law and Order and Goodfellow's fame. There's a couple of photos where they share and embrace Dennis Farina and your father. A very interesting collection of photos as well, including your father and many other his colleagues from the time a service
with the Chicago Police Department. I want to thank you so much, Deborah Dimagio, for coming on and talking about your father's incredible book, Sarge Cases of a Chicago Police Detective Sergeant in the sixties, seventies.
And eighties. Thank you, thank so much for this interview, and you have a great evening, and good night, good night.
Thank you, Dan, thank you.