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You are now listening to True Murder The most Shocking Killers in True crime History and the authors that have written about them Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker DTK. Every week, another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, journalist and author Dan Zupanski.
Maybe good evening. This is your host Dan Zupanski for the program True Murder, The most shocking killers in true crime history and the authors that have written about them. Murder in the Mountains. The Muriel Baldridge Story Real. It's the slaying of Muriel Baldridge, the seventeen year old high school cheerleader who was found beaten to death on the morning of June eighth, nineteen forty nine, in Prestonsburg, Kentucky,
after a decade's long investigation. It featured an amazing array of twists and turns, including a sensational trial and a controversial verdict. The case remains unsolved to this day. Muriel's murder is considered the most bizarre and confusing case in the annals of Eastern Kentucky crime. The book that was featured this evening is Murder in the Mountains, The Muriel Baldridge Story with my special guest journalist and author Michael Crisp.
Welcome to the program, and thank you for this interview. Michael Crisp.
Great, Thank you, Dan. I appreciate you having me on tonight.
Thank you very much for coming on. Let's start off without giving any of the story away, if you can possibly do that. Why was this a story that you were either picked for or you chose to do. Why was this story? Give us the audience a little bit of the background, why you would want to do this book, or why someone picked you specifically to do this. How did you become involved with this and why? Without giving us too much of the story, but tell us about that please.
Certainly it is a great story. I live in Kentucky and over the last few years I've been known pretty much as a documentary filmmaker, and about three or four years ago I had the opportunity to do a documentary film about a really bad school bus wreck that happened in nineteen fifty eight in the town of Prestonsburg, Kentucky. And to this day. That school bus wreck, which claimed the lives of twenty seven young people, is still tied with It's still the number one traffic fatality in the
United States regarding a school bus. And while I was making film, Throughout the course of the interviews, I had several people that I interviewed tell me that although their town was known for this horrific accident in nineteen fifty eight, the town was also known for a very bizarre, unusual, strange murder and subsequent investigation that happened just nine years before in the same town there in nineteen forty nine.
So the case really fascinated me quite a bit as I was making the school bus wreck film, and then about a year ago, I decided to start making a documentary film about this nineteen forty nine slaying, and a few days into the process, the family of the murder victim contacted me and said, we fully support your project. However, we feel it would be a little bit more tasteful if you wrote a book about it as opposed to
doing a documentary film. The reason being was the documentary film film that I did about the best wreck, it won some awards, It did really well, It was extremely popular it played theatrically, and there was probably a period of a year where you really couldn't go through Appalachia or go through Kentucky without seeing the film in some sort of theater. So they thought it would be a little bit more tasteful to the murder victim's memory and to the family, especially that still survives, if we.
Did a book.
And so that's how I decided to go ahead and approach this as a book.
Right, And with that cooperation, you knew then you would have something because you have to have access, especially with a crime a little bit older. But regardless, it's interesting for the reader to have that access, and it's pretty well essential for the journalists to need something, something other than the reports, the official reports in the courts transcripts not right, Oh.
Yes, exactly. And from the get go, I was very privileged to have met and known a couple relatives of Merle. I got to talk a few, I got to talk to the feud during the course of the of writing the book. That the lady that writes the opening uh paragraph or the opening I guess prologue to the to the book. Her name is Lynn Preston and she is a niece by marriage of the murder victim, and she gave me so much information and was extremely helpful. She opened up a lot of doors to be to be
able to have this book become a reality. So we're very thankful for her support.
Right now, you made the correction to her her She really her name was really pronounced despite Muriel the way I mispronounced it. It really she was really known as Muriel uh. And so thanks for that correction. So I don't keep making a mistake during the entire interview. Now take us. You say you're from Kentucky, but tell us
what Prestenburgh is really like. It's give us, maybe even leave in a brief history, but give us what Prestenburg in nineteen forty nine Prestinsburg was really like before we introduced the main character of this incredible tale.
Oh, certainly, it was just a small town in eastern Kentucky, comprised of really just a couple thousand people. And during that time, the railroad was a pretty big industry in town. Coal mining was pretty big. But the people were very tight knit, much as they are today. Lots of families were related to each other, people lived fairly close to each other, so you knew almost everybody in town, and the people of that particular area, as well as throughout
Appalachia in general, mainly have Irish ancestry. They're very smart, they're very hard working, and they're very tight knit. And so in that particular time period, you had a very small community that everybody pretty much knew each other. But the time period was also interesting as well because World
War Two had just wrapped up four years prior. There was a sense of relief and a restoration of innocence in that community, and people were just happy and they were looking forward to the future ahead, and little did they know that such a traumatic event would change their lives forever.
Right now, What was the sort of the industry and what was how was the town really? Basically does this little town thrive? What was it known for? What was it? A little bit of its history and background.
Yeah, in many ways, it was like the small towns of today. The main street area was pretty popular. You had florists and restaurants and different things that you would see in pretty much most small towns today. But one of the largest industries and the biggest industry in town was the Cno railroad, and there was a depost station that saw lots of activity. Passenger trains would come through on the railroad, they would stop off at the depost station.
There was a restaurant nearby, a bath house nearby. Hundreds of people would come in and out of town each day, and coal was a big industry there too, and so the coal would come in and out on these railway cars. And that's the railway plays a big role in the story because, first off, a lot of the people that are connected in the story, a lot of the main people were there because of the railroad, and if they didn't work for the railroad, they had some sort of
indirect connection to it as well. And then the very famous bridge which still stands today that Merle was killed underneath. That bridge was constructed basically by the railroad because at that time the railroad was a private company. It was very big, it was making quite a bit of money, and they needed a bridge to connect the two different sides of the town across the river. So the railroad was huge during that time.
Yeah, so it ends up being a major landmark and grim reminder for the city, for the town itself. So yes, now tell us about Meryl Baldridge. Tell us a little bit about her parents, about her background, what was her life like in this Prestonsburg, What was she like? She was as the photos, I will tell the audience that she was a very striking woman. Very beautiful woman, but very striking woman too. So tell us about Meryl Balldridge, her siblings, her parents were they like, what was her
background like? What was her life really like?
Yeah, she was the youngest of seven children. She had three brothers and three sisters, and at the time of
her murder, she was seventeen years old. She was a cheerleader for the Prestonsburg High School and she was just she was somebody that we've used this phrase before, but everybody that's ever been in high school has always had a classmate or a friend like Merle Balbridge, who happens to be considered the prettiest girl in school, the most vivacious, somebody who's not only smart and funny and has a good sense of humor, but somebody that's popular with pretty
much everybody in high school. And that's who Merle was. And her family was wonderful. Her brothers and sisters were very supportive of her and looked over her quite a bit. Especially her sisters. Her mom, I believe, was pretty much a stay at home mom, as most of the women
were at the time. And her dad, his name was George Baldridge, and George worked for the CNO Railroad, And in this particular spot of geography in Prestonsburg, the CNO Railroad depot station was just across the street from where Merle lived, just probably maybe fifty yards away. And then the infamous bridge where underneath that that the murder took place, was just perhaps one hundred and fifty to two hundred
yards away. And all of this was in an area called West Prestonsburg, which was essentially Prestonsburg, and that really sets the tone and the setting for where all of this occurred. But she was a wonderful young lady, and it's a shame that her life cut short so soon.
One thing that we know when we do, when you do stuff that you can really call this historical crime true crime, because especially what's prominent in this story is that in nineteen forty nine, for those listeners that are twenty years old or younger, or even thirty years old, nineteen forty nine, not that I witnessed it myself, and nineteen forty nine was an innocent time in terms of not locking the doors and the windows, but an innocent
time in terms of serial killers and psychopathic killers and the knowledge of what some people were capable of, and so people weren't as afraid and we're more trusting. Because I think this is important because when this happens in this day and age we were, with our cell phones and how connected we are, this might not have happened
the same way. So we have to account for that for our audience that it's nineteen forty nine, and so the response to things that we would sing think might be susues or rais suspicions didn't do so in nineteen forty nine.
Right, Yeah, you're exactly right, Dan. And to also paint a picture of the community in that time period, so many people that I talked to kept referencing the television show Happy Days, which took place primarily in the fifties, and even though this was a small eastern Kentucky town, they were all very privy to all the music and movies and television and everything that the rest of the
country had. And when you picture the TV show Happy Days, and regarding how innocent it seems and how you know, you just couldn't imagine anything this monstrous occurring. That makes it even that much more surreal. But something like this could have happened in such a small community during that time period.
Now to set the stage two, we have to fast forward because we have such a like, so many twists and turns in this case, it's incredible. Now, tell us about mural Baldridge's life. Was she dating? Was she seriously in a relationship with anyone? She's seventeen years old. You said she's a cheerleader, she's very popular. Her family life is good. Relationship with her siblings is fine. Tell us what's happening just she gets out of school. What is happening in her life in June of nineteen forty nine.
Yes, she's a junior who's going to become a senior in high school, so she's going into her senior year. She is running around with a group of girls that like her, are very fun but also very respectful and
very nice. She's dating quite a bit, but she does have one boy from another town that she's dating much more seriously, and they also over the last few weeks leading up to the murder, had also become secretly engaged, and so she was really living just a great life for what an American teenager would be living at the time.
And on the evening of the murder, I believe it was a Monday night in June of nineteen forty nine, she and her girlfriends decided to go out and do a handful of activities before she would return home that evening, and of those activities, one of them included going to see a movie at the local theater there on Main Street. She also with her girlfriends, went to see a softball game that was being played down sort of near their school.
But the most infamous thing that they did, and no one thought it would be infamous at the time, was that she and her girlfriends attended a carnival that was traveling through town. So during the carnival, they've spent probably about an hour or an hour and a half down there, and they didn't really have any unusual or strange encounters while they're.
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Carnival, but that was the last place that they went to before she decided that she needed to go home. So she was walking back home with three of her girlfriends and Merle lived across the water on this on the Big Sandy River, and spanning that river was the West Prestonsburg Bridge, the Infanmous Bridge where this all occurred. So the four girls are walking down one of the main streets they're in Prestonsburg and it's time for her
to cross the bridge in the darkness. It's now about ten fifteen pm and it's time for her to cross and go back home to her house. Some of the girlfriends offer and say would you like us to walk across the bridge with you, and she tells them no, thanks, I've done this a thousand times, you don't have to come with me. I'm okay. So they keep walking. They let her cross by herself, and that's the last she's
ever seen alive again. A few minutes later, some of the neighbors in that particular neighborhood, here's some screams, but they don't think anything of it. There's a hospital that's nearby, and at that time, it was kind of routine as patients were being brought into the hospital that they might be moaning or they might be screaming. There's also some dogs in the neighborhood, so some of the neighbors passed
off those screams as perhaps a neighborhood dog. And then night comes and go, and then in the morning, on the river bank, around six am, a truck driver driving across the bridge looks down and spots a clump of clothing that looks suspicious to him. He parks his vehicle, goes down to the river bank and turns out it's her body. And then that sets off a chain of events that is just so incredible, it's just hard to even describe.
Now, why did she not coming home set off some alarms for her parents?
Well, that's an excellent question, and it's one that we don't even really get into much in the book, but I believe that at the time, it was not uncommon to where if a girl was supposed to come home and if it got late and the parents were already turning in as long as they were with another girlfriend, it would be sort of assumed that that girl might be having sort of a last minute sleep over at
another girlfriend's house. And these were the parents knew that she was that evening spending time with a handful of other very respectable young women, and if something had occurred to where she could have stayed over with one of them for whatever reason, that that would have been accepted. So I believe that's what happened in that case.
Yeah, that's why I wanted to make that other point, because it just I know that that there's a little bit of not really an explanation, because you can't get one, but the only real explanation is that that's how small that community is. And I know of communities not in the nineteen forty nine that were trusting like that as well, because everybody does really believe that they know everyone else literally, so very trusting. Now, what happened after the discovery to
take us. Sorry for the interruptions, but what happens after the discovery by this person.
Well, what happens from there is a crowd of onlookers decide to descend on the area once word has spread that a body has been found there on the river bank, and then from there law enforcement starts to begin to arrive. The crime scene is really sort of We could just say that in today's society, with today's law enforcement techniques, the crime scene would have been secured and there would have probably been a much better chance of being able
to find the killer. But at this time, we had a whole lot of onlookers arriving first before any law enforcement arrived. It had rained a little bit the night before, so the area was already kind of muddy, and so now you have all these townsfolk coming down to see
what's going on as the law enforcement are arriving. But some of the initial clues that the law enforcement find and one of the first people on the scene from the law enforcement side of things is the county coroner and his name is Brady Shepherd, and mister Shepherd finds a handful of things that are definitely of interest. There is a fifteen inch lead type that's a few feet away from her body, and so that's immediately believed to be the murder weapon. There is an uprooted peach tree
that is there on the river bank. There are signs of struggle where the peach tree is. It looks as if Merle was involved in an altercation with her attacker and uprooted the peach tree by hand as he was trying to throw her body into the river. So apparently he killed her there on the river bank and then tried to get her out into the river, but was probably scared off by porch lights being turned on in the area and maybe some area when she screamed that
might have scared some people as well. And a few feet away also was a empty whiskey bottle, and that also would lead to a, you know, an interesting direction that the case went to after as well. There was a strand of pearls also on the peach tree that was beginning that was believed to belong to her too, And so that was pretty much how the crime scene worked that morning, and and and from there things even got stranger.
Now you talk about the pearls, and the pearls were given to her by her aunt, I believe, or some relative anyway, just the evening before, because they thought it went well with the dress that she was wearing.
Yeah, that's correct. The pearls were a gift from an
aunt that was visiting from out of state. And at the time, Merle had three brothers and three sisters, but all of her siblings had already moved out of the house, most were married and living fairly nearby, and so during the time over the summer when she was killed, she was living with her mother and her father, and they had also had a couple other younger relatives come in to stay because one of their parents was going through a divorce, and I believe one of their parents was
one of Merle's sisters. So it was a pretty small household at the time. But this visiting aunt came in and when Merle put on a dress for going out that evening, brought out a strand of pearls and said, this would just be perfect for the dress, and rather than me have them tonight, I'd like to give them as a gift to you and have her put them on. And so she did, and ironically, those were the pearls that were found in the uprooted peach tree that night.
Now, the early analysis from the police, Now we have to also explain to the audience that's you know, we've all had a steady diet a CSI and forensic evidence and DNA type evidence. This is nineteen forty nine. Like you say, what we would call it now is that the crime scene was definitely compromised or contaminated. What did the police have other than the pipe which may or may not have had blood according to your book that they weren't quite sure, but it looked like that might
be the thing that the murder weapon. They had the pearls that were laying on a twig or tree or something right there. So what really wasn't robbery? What was there summation from and what kind of evidence given its nineteen forty nine and there's no real no technology. What did they have and what was their first summation conclusion, if there was any at all from that initial crime scene investigation?
Yes, well, one of the first things that everybody thought of was the motive for the murder definitely, just like you stated, could not have been robbery. She was a very beautiful seventeen year old young woman. And the attack was probably believed to be by a man who had bad intentions sexually with her, So a lot of that immediately first started as they were looking at the evidence.
There wasn't really a direct correlation between most of the evidence and who that they would go after as far as initial suspects, but one of the first suspects right from the get go, just a few weeks into the investigation, was a male friend of hers that His name was Donald Horn, and most people in town knew him by the nickname Dutney, and he, on the afternoon of her murder, took a bus to Texas, and after learning that she had been murdered, just about a day or two later,
he told the local authorities in Texas that he was
wanted in connection for questioning with her murder. So in Kentucky there was a big fervor, especially there in Prestonsburg, that he was perhaps the perpetrator and that he was confessing, And so the governor at the time extradited him from Texas and brought him back up here, and so for a while it looked like that we had the murderer and everything would be fine, But once he got up here, it turns out he saved his bus ticket bust for the ticket down there to Texas, and it exonerated him,
and so a lot of people in town were pretty upset, especially because he had kind of used the murder to parlay a free ride home back to Kentucky. He didn't truly confess to it, but he sort of left it open ended to where he could get a ride back. So after that, then began on the carnival workers, because at the time in Prestonsburg in nineteen forty nine, it was so tight knit. Many people were thinking, there is no way a member of our community could have committed
this crime. It has to be a stranger, and the strangers in town are from the carnival. So the focus went immediately to the carnival workers, and then for a while it looked like that was going to be a pretty hot lead. A lot of activity, a lot of interesting things occurred with the carnival workers during the summer of forty nine that were the target of the investigation.
Now they went through obviously they probably went and checked the backgrounds. Were they able to check the backgrounds In nineteen forty nine, of the people that did work at the carnival, and then did they target those individuals, How did it work out that they had some suspects if we can call that from the carnival initially? Tell us how that turn events happened. What was there were they able to initially to check with backgrounds and go from there or what was their strategy?
Yeah, even back then, they didn't have a really good background search or any kind of database for being able to find out readily which members, if any of the traveling carnival had extensive criminal backgrounds. Really, what they could do at that time was if they received some testimony that implicated someone at that time, then they could focus in on that person and then pull their background record. But they didn't have that kind of widespread capability like
they do nowadays. So out of the carnival workers, there were two people that were very interesting to police at the time. There was a man who was twenty four years old named Bill Gamble and his young friend who
was fifteen years old named Olan Collins. And turns out Olan Collins, the fifteen year old, after a few days of the investigation, decided to tell the authorities that he witnessed twenty four year old Bill Gamble kill Merle Baldridge while they were I believe, driving across the bridge and he witnessed her being drugged down to the river bank and that he saw Bill Gamble do this. So within a day or two, the town is in an uproar.
They believe they have their guy. Bill Gamble is brought up to Cincinnati for questioning and even signs a confession. And now it's official. Here. It's just a couple months into the investigation, and it looks like we've got our guy, and everything is all set, and then some really strange things happen. Bill Gamble a day or two later says his confession that he signed in Cincinnati was coerced by threatening police officers, so he decided to recant the confession.
And then a day or two after that, young Owen Collins says, I made all of that up, and I was just you know, just you know, expounding on the story and just wanted to make all of this up.
So it was really suspicious. During the investigation, turns out the older gentleman Bill Gamble was in he was working for the carnival, just like Owen Collins, but he was under suspicion for kidnapping a husband and wife fairly recently, just a few weeks prior to this crime that I believe was in Virginia, and the car that Bill Gamble had was tied to that couple. It looked as if that couple owned it. The couple still had not turned up,
they were still missing. And Bill Gamble was a big, tough guy that had quite a bit of a criminal record. He initially sounds like the type of person that would do something this bad. Two a young girl, and he's also somewhat in her age reign, with her being seventeen and being twenty four, and so it looked as if everyone had their guy. But then when the confessions and the testimony were recanted, the grand jury at the end of the summer decided not to seek any type of
indictments or formal charges against either gentlemen. So by the end of the summer, three to four months after the crime had been committed, it was completely cold again.
Tell us how the grand jury they took it to the grand jury and there wasn't enough for the grand jury to indict or set it to trial. Tell us a little bit more about that process, how they could possibly not be able to get this to trial.
Certainly the grand jury was having to hear lots of different cases. I believe there was also another less glorified murder investigation going on involving some strangers, a total separate investigation that at the time was taking it quite a bit of a grand jury's time as well, and they wanted to make sure that they got that indictment right as well as the Merle Baldridge indictment. But aside from that, they had a lot of other different cases from things as Hello.
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Eighteen pluss, even including the ancient art of bootlegging, which happened quite a bit in the time, and they had lots of things they had to deal with. One of the things that probably confused the grand jury most was in Olan Collins's story about seeing Bill Gamble commit the murder.
He insisted that the murder was that the murder weapon was a hammer that was kept in the car underneath Bill Gamble's feat And I think such a focus on finding the hammer sort of discounted the lead pipe as official evidence and sort of made a lot of people wonder how much doubt and credibility these two witnesses were providing.
And at the time, there wasn't much credence or strength being given to a lot of the physical evidence during the grand jury hearings, and they were really focusing more on the witness testimony by Gamble and Collins, and that turned out to just not be credible enough to get an actual indictment. And in many instances, even today, witness testimony without any really good concrete physical evidence just sometimes just isn't that strong when it comes to trying cases, right, well, I'll.
Ask you a little bit later why, because I think that they're the most perplexing for sure, of these two guys. And now, so what happens after this? Now the two months they think they have their men, they have confessions from both that must have been very encouraging. Now they have this recanning, the grand jury won't indict. So what's their next move? What do they do next? What do police do next?
Yeah, things go quiet for several weeks with the police. And as things are getting quiet with them, the town is still in an uproar. There are reward funds being put together at the bank, Private investigators are being brought in, the Pinkertons are being brought in to investigate, and such an overwhelming feeling of fear has engulfed the town. Teenagers now no longer have the freedom to go outside, even if they want to and walk the streets because the
perpetrator has not been caught. So there's a lot of and as you mentioned earlier, car doors are now being locked, houses are being locked. More lights are staying on at night because they feel a murderer is in their midst. There's no guarantee this guy isn't a serial killer. Maybe
he's lurking around and it's scaring everyone. So January rolls around, and then, to everyone's surprise, after the case seems dormant for weeks and months, a couple of arrests are made, and they're made with a couple of gentlemen who are older than the typical suspect that you might expect in
this type of case. And the two men that are charged include a sixty year old gentleman, Lawn Mowles, and Lawn is a prominent school board member and at the time, if you were a school board member in eastern Kentucky, it was just like being on the city council. It was a very powerful position. You had a lot of weight in town. It was a really good position to have.
And Lawn also coincidentally worked at the depost station across from Merle's house, and he was George Baldridge's boss, Merle's dad, so he knew the family really well and worked across from the house there at the depost station at the Cno railroad. And one of Lyn's best friends was a gentleman named E. K. Dotson who had a house close to the railroad, and he was also indicted because they believed that he had something to do with the murder
as well. So then that set off an interesting chain of events involving just more bizarre investigation situations and other different things leading up to a sensational trial that spring. And there were probably two main reasons why Line was thought to be such a strong suspect in the case. Lawn was quite the drinker, and he was one of the few people in town that drank a particular brand
of whiskey called Four Roses. And the bottle of whiskey that was found near Merle's body, and granted it was maybe thirty to fifty feet away from her body at the time she was found, was an empty bottle of Four Roses, so a lot of people thought, hey, this Lawn Moles may have something to do with it. Even though it did kind of appear where the bottle was that it could have easily been just thrown off the bridge a few days before or something like that, but
it was still relatively close to her body. The second thing was was, even though he was sixty and respected member of the community but still a little bit of a drinker, he had a reputation of someone that would leer at young ladies and be very fascinated with young girls, especially pretty young girls, and he had a bit of a reputation in town, especially there also at the railroad station, that he had kinds of crush on Merle, even though
she was so young. It was rumored that he had frequently looked forward to times when her and her girlfriends
would come home from school or leave from school. He had a clear view through his window at the office at the depostation of seeing them, and many times she would come over to use the telephone there at the depost station, and she knew Lan through her dad, and she would sometimes get up on his desk and maybe flirt with him just a little bit in a very innocent way that girls at that age will sometimes do, or at least he turned interpreted it as flirting, and
she would use the telephone on occasion, and that was a moment that apparently he really looked forward to whenever he could be that near to her. So those were a couple bits of I guess circumstantial evidence that helped lead a lot of people, especially Merle's family, into believing that he was one of the main perpetrators in the case.
Now this I K. Dohnson, it's his Lom Wolf's friend. Then one of the other reasons is that police, if I'm not correct, police interpreted that the crime scene because they had dragged this the mural down the embankment towards this river, that this was not the work of somebody that was not familiar with this area, like say the carnival workers. So tell us a little bit more about I K. Dohnson, this is a friend of lom Wolves. Tell us a little bit more about what police thought
his connection was. As I was mentioning, sure got.
E K happened to own he was a neighbor of Merle Baldridge's family. He also lived very close His backyard was on the river bank, and he lived very close to the depost station as well. And one of the main physical things that seemed to probably tie ek to this crime more than anything was, as you said, it appeared that these that the perpetrator or perpetrators knew the
area extremely well because it was dark. I don't recall if there was a full moon that night, but whether there was or not, it was dark and on this river bank there were a lot of twists and turns and alleys and areas on the hillside to where you really had to know the area to be able to efficiently escape or even bring someone down there to try and do harm to. In his backyard is where some footprints that led from the crime scene went up between his house and his backyard and one of the other
neighbor houses. So it looked like that if he had committed the crime, he decided to flee in the general direction by his house, which you would sort of make sense. That would sort of make sense if you get into a killer's mind, where would they be wanting to go initially, maybe try and go home if they're thinking clearly, and
he lives so close to that area. But there was so much more circumstantial evidence against Lawn Moles, more so than E. K. Dotson, that even though they were thought of as being in cahoots and could have done this together, more focus was shifted on Moles. And that's the situation that was going on during that spring of nineteen fifty.
Now, in this as well, when you talk about the four Roses, whiskey tell us about what police are able to uncover in terms of that whiskey and some real damaging evidence at least you would think.
Yeah, one of the really big pieces of damning evidence with some testimony by a husband and wife that did some bootlegging there in town, and the bootleggers the last name was Gotzy, and you had Clyde Gotzy and his
wife Julia Gotzy. And turns out that a few days after Lawn and Ek are arrested, mister and Missus Godsey come forward and they decide to tell the tale of what they remember that evening, and one of the things that they remember was that lawn Moles, along with E. K. Dotson, made at least three and possibly four trips to their place of business to purchase alcohol, and on most of
the trips they were purchased thing four Roses whiskey. So on the first trip or two I believe one of the first trips occurred around ten PM, and they did purchase some of that brand of whiskey. And then later on that evening I believe, around two or two thirty am, turns out that Missus Godsey remembers that he had changed clothes for some strange reason. So that was kind of unusual why lawn Moles would have changed clothes in that
particular timeframe. And then finally they made another trip later on in the morning, and during that trip they decided not to buy any whiskey, but lawn Moles was there just asking the bootleggers, has anyone else here tonight bought any of this particular brand of whiskey, which raised their suspicion that once the authorities were coming by and looking at somebody who might be tied to this four Roses whiskey, that's kind of unusual that they would come in just
to ask that question. So it raised quite a bit of suspicion at the time.
And the thing was it wasn't the most popular whiskey. You have to have a little bit more money to be able to, wasn't. And it was a little bit more of a special whiskey, wasn't it.
Yeah, it sure was. It was a little bit more expensive at the time than the others. And because it was so unusual, that definitely raised a lot of eyebrows in the town on why that empty bottle would be nearby. And when you think of it in modern day times, if there's a particular brand of cigarette or alcohol or something that's very unique to you, and then if that particular thing is found at a crime scene, then sure, if you're guilty, that's something that's going to really help
probably investigators lead some folks to you. But if you're innocent, it's an extremely rough situation should you have to try and explain yourself out of that. Any Ways, it's kind of pays to be popular in situations with the brands that you a choose in situations like this.
Now, tell us about what other witnesses that they found they could attest to evidence that was again damaging the Moles at trial, like any kind of any did anyone witness seeing blood on the clothing? Tell us about that and any other witness that came forward and what evidence they provided.
Yeah, the Julia Godsei, the female bootwagger, during the first trip, recalled seeing some mud or blood on Laine Moles's clothing, But on the second trip when he showed up to purchase more whiskey, he had changed clothes and she thought
that was kind of suspicious. But there was also another witness that came forward that claimed just perhaps maybe two or three days after the murder, that Lawn Moles came to him to have him change the seat covers in his vehicle, and so the guy did the work on Lon's car change the seat covers remembers an unusual stain in the headrest of one of the in one of
the seats. I believe it was a back seat, and in retrospect he wondered if that could have been blood, but it was a really unusual stain, and so Lon had him changed the seed covers. Well. A few days afterward, investigators taught to the gentleman. He starts mentioning the story, and then word gets back to Lawn Moles that this guy is talking about that, and so then LN goes to that guy directly at least once or twice and says, you know that did happen, but I believe you're mistaken
about the date you change those seat covers. For me, about two or three days before the day of the murder. And that guy is saying, no, Laan, it was two days after I remember vividly. So Lawn again is being pretty suspicious about trying to alter a witness testimony and find out quite a bit about the murder from some of the other witnesses and from some of the other investigators.
Now, the thing that we most people know about is the alibi? What is Lon Wull's alibi?
Was E. K.
Dotson's alibi or what is their counter? What does the defense to this murder charge?
Yeah, well, Lawn has lives with his wife at the time, and her name is Elizabeth, and she's essentially an invalid and is pretty much bedridden almost all the time. LN says that that evening he attended, I believe a football game that was taking place near the school by that softball game, and then he claims that he came home at about nine or nine thirty PM, tuned in a radio station for his wife at about nine thirty PM, and that he retired along with her right after he
tuned in the radio station, and she verified it. And not only did she say that he was home at nine thirty and basically never left and the murder was committed at about ten fifteen, so Long said that he
was in best sleep when that was going on. She also had one of her sisters and another neighbor over there right around that time, right around nine thirty, and those neighbors verified that they didn't see his car out after that after nine thirty PM, and they even one, if not both of them interacted and spoke with him in that nine to nine thirty period when he was home.
So if he had been able to commit the murder, he would have probably had to sneak out of bed while she was sleeping and go back out at about ten o'clock, which is conceivable he could have done that. But one of the things that really assisted him was his wife and sister in law during the trial came forward and said that he was definitively there at home, and there's wasn't a way he could have done that.
Now you offer and because there was the question, why would these prominent people lie for their murderous husband uh and in law? And why would these people lie? Because you really have these two seemingly credible witnesses set of witnesses. You have witnesses on one side, witness on the other side, with both reasonable credible stories. You would think, based on the all of the evidence, what did you offer or what did you find? What was the what was the
assumption that may have happened? Why would these people lie if they did indeed lie.
Yeah, one of the biggest assumptions and one of the things that we started to figure out from the get go was Lawn's wife, and Elizabeth was even though she was an invalid and didn't get out much, she was also prominent in the community too, and a lot of people believe that she probably would have considered lying in order to save her reputation and her husband's reputation, but also to protect her income, because if he had gone to the jail for the crime, then that might have
affected his pension and her ability to live the life that she was accustomed to as well. So that was pretty much the main motivation. We thought, if he had indeed done this, or if she wasn't sure about what she was testifying about, that that's probably what happened.
Now, it lends less credibility when you add a couple more people that with less of a vested interest in this Elizabeth vested interest. So are are you still confident that the other two co conspirators have that kind of interest so that solid of family and can't be shaken from the truth. You think that's reasonable.
I definitely think it is reasonable, considering that one of the other witnesses was her sister and his sister in law, so if he did have had a hand in this, it wouldn't be that surprising to have family members, even in today's day and age, stepped forward in order to attempt to try and save somebody by offering some false, false testimony if they were related to that person and
could help preserve their reputation. So the fact that his sister in law and who was her sister, came forward with that information in many ways raised some suspicion because a lot of people felt that those were false testimonies brought about by people that just wanted to keep law safe and had his reputation intact.
Now was the fact that you mentioned earlier that he was considered a prominent person based on his stature in society, very much like a city councilman would be afforded that kind of privilege. Now with the family, with his wife having some prominence in the community as well, and her reputation bolstered by her sister and the in law sister in law, do you think that the police didn't tread or treaded quite softly towards that investigation or that possibility
that they might be lying. They weren't. They weren't really dealing with these people very harshly, given the prominence that they had in the community.
Yeah, that's right. And she was a member of something called the Daughters of the American Revolution, which are still around today, but at the time that was a group comprised possibly as it is today, of society women that are women of means, that come from good families, and she was very, very active in that group. And to her, we had many people tell us that she was the type of person that reputation meant everything her place in society and the way she and her husband looked in
other people's eyes. She was definitely a woman that really cared about public perception of her and her family, and so that even kind of leads more people to believe okay, that gives her another very reasonable reason to go ahead and say something like that in order to protect him. But the police at the time, they really didn't delve
in much to her story. They weren't able to really attack it or investigate it that well, because also it was a good story with regard to there wasn't a whole lot of holes in it, and there weren't a lot of other witnesses that could counter react at she with her being an invalid, and with her there at the house and not getting around much. A lot of people knew that she was at the house. That was a given on the night of the murder, and it
was basically her word against other people's words. And with regard to that, they would give a whole lot of credence to that.
Yeah, as opposed as the two ne'er dwell bootleggers.
That's exactly right. Yeah.
Now the thing is is that what's the jury's verdict with this? If we if the audience doesn't figure this out, but tell us quickly, what's the verdict? And then what do police decide to do after this?
Yeah, the case is so hot that it has to be moved out of Prestonsburg, and it's moved over. Prestonsburg is in a county called Floyd, and they move it over to a neighboring county called Pike County, and they're in Pikeville, the county seat of Pike County. They have
the trial in May of nineteen fifty. The trial lasts about a week and the authorities decide to try the two men separately, and because they believe they have a lot more evidence against lawn Moles, they try him first, and after about a week the case goes to the jury and less I believe the figure in the book says fifty three minutes. Within fifty three minutes, a verdict is return So everybody is holding their breath, wondering what's going to happen, And sure enough, the verdict is innocent.
The family is heartbroken. A lot of people in Prestonsburg and Floyd County, just the county over where the crime committed, they were heartbroken and upset. They really felt that they needed the closure of a conviction, and it appeared lawn Moles really did have something to do with this crime. So they were flabberdasted. But just almost immediately after the verdict is returned, come a couple interesting things that occur.
The authorities and what not decide not to pursue a trial against k Dotson because they feel that they had their best case against lawn Moles and with him being found innocent, there's no way they're going to get a guilty verdict with ek Dotson. So both men are released. And oddly enough, at this time, and you would never see this in today's day and age with DNA technology, of all of the evidence that was brought into the court, there was some clothing that belonged to lawn Moles and
possibly ek Dotson, but definitely lawn Moles. They returned the clothing to him, and then the clothing and physical evidence that belonged to the murder victim, Merle Baldridge, they returned that to her family, and within about a day or two, both parties decide to burn all of the things they
that were given back to them by the authorities. Now that's rather suspicious considering if lawn Moles was innocent, why would he and ek Dotson get together one night and burn the clothes that had been given back to them
at the end of the trial. But also the most heartbreaking thing here is that because the Baldridge family was just so heartbroken by the verdict and by the fact that they just were not getting closure with their daughter's murder, the fact that they destroyed all of the evidence and the torn dress that I believe also had bloodstains on it that belonged to Merle, and this meant there would now be no way to ever have any kind of physical evidence examined that was very important to the case,
regarding victim's clothing and things that years later would be important as the advent of DNA technology became present, so that pretty much ended most anyone's hope of ever really truly solving the case unless people would have to rely on witness testimony or other means.
Yes, it's an incredible story. I thought, it's amazing, and it's still our time is almost up, and then there's still some more twists and turns for an audience that's prepared for this book. That's very very interesting book, Michael, and you've done a great job, and I want to thank you very much for coming on the program and talking about this. Now, so the case based just remains unsolved. We will leave a little bit more for the audience it's willing to go and purchase the book and delve
more into this case. But it just does remain unsolved to this day, doesn't it.
Yeah, it does. It's sixty three years later now and the case it's still unsolved. And what I've found is a lot of people the book has sold incredibly well. It's sold over one thousand copies over the last few months, and a lot of people that purchase the book, i'd say fall into two camps. Either they're from eastern Kentucky or Kentucky and they've heard of the case and they're
fascinated by it. Or it's other people just across the nation that feel that by reading the book they can learn a little bit more about the forties and the fifties and those type of crime investigation techniques, what to do, but more importantly, not what to do in a murder investigation.
It's a fascinating story. And I've had a handful of people tell me when they've purchased the book that they're purchasing it because they want to read all of the details and all of the facts, no matter how minuscule, because they themselves want to take a crack at formulating
a theory on who actually might have done this. And as much as we've talked about it tonight, there are so many, as you pointed out, small interesting side stories and other suspects, other confessions, other strange things that have happened in this case throughout the last sixty three years that readers that do purchase the book will have a chance to formulate their own opinion and who knows, maybe even solve this case.
Yes, it's very very interesting. Just when you think you have the suspect that really looks like that the appropriate person for this. Then the case turns sideways and we have another direction, and just when we think we've got Lawn Moule's and then, like I say, that's why I asked you about the relatives and the life. It just seems that you know, you could see that getting that same kind of verdict today as you did in nineteen forty nine. It's it's sort of interesting to think that
the juries were that sophisticated. I don't know what I thought of before this book, but that they were just as sophisticated and come to the same kind of conclusion that most people would come to today.
Yeah, that's correct. Even today, if the trial had played out of Lawnmowls exactly how it played out sixty three years ago, chances are it still would have been an
innocent verdict. And a lot of the reason by that is when you try people and you're you know, you're very familiar with this, with the type of stories that you cover and that you're an expert in, and in many ways, when you rely so much, you know ninety five percent or more of your case is testimony, you're already going to have a little bit of trouble and then and some of the people that testify are bootleggers
and people like that. Even though those are fine, wonderful people that are surviving and doing exactly what they feel they need to do, they're just at that time looked a little bit down upon and juries just didn't really want to believe them. So when you get into those he said, she said situations, that's why even today, if anything had changed, they might not have even brought Moles to trial because the local attorneys may have felt that they didn't have enough to spend tax payer money and
do a trial. But at the time then they're in eastern Kentucky, it had been a year since her murder, and they had to do something, and they really did genuinely feel they had their man in Boles. And so yeah, that's a couple of interesting correlations between the cases of today and the cases of yesteryear.
And really, like you said, one of the sad stories behind this is everyone and suspicious too that everyone burnt the evidence and so there is no chance of going back because we know, as the audience knows, you can go back, take a little scrap of clothing or hair or something and get DNA and start solving things sixty three or more years ago. So another sad aspect of this story, but a very fascinating story. Michael, and I want to thank you very much. The audience has been
listening to Murder in the Mountains with Michael Crisp. If you have a website, Michael or Facebook page that people might be able to contact you and maybe listen to the program or at least find out about it, or find out more about the book and any upcoming projects for yourself.
Yeah, definitely. If you go to www dot Kentuckycoldcases dot com, you'll find out information about the book, a brief description of the story, and you can also purchase the book there. At that side. You can also purchase it on Amazon dot Com just by searching for the title, which again is Murder in the Mountains the Merle Baldridge story with Merle being spelled like Muriel m U R I E L. And so, yeah, we definitely appreciate the support of your
listeners with regard to the story. We're getting ready to do a second edition with some updates in the story, so there'll be more information about that on the website in the weeks to come.
Great, great, well, thank you very much, Michael, and the best of luck with this and talk to you again in the near future. Thank you.
Okay, great, thanks by Dan.
Good night, Okay, good back.
