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Good Evening. It was the most horrific crime ever to come before this court, said the judge, a renowned forensic pathologist, shouted from the witness stand torture when describing the beating three year old Kaisan Rice took at the hands of a six foot three, two hundred and forty monster. Read the account of an ambulance team desperately trying to keep a badly beaten boy alive and a high risk arrest by a well equipped, professionally trained police force to take
down a murderer. Follow in the footsteps of four investigators who reached as far as Arizona to gather information, relive the courtroom drama as a seasoned district attorney and a skilled assistant District attorney forge a compelling case in which there were no witnesses, no weapons, any questionable motive follow the longest trial in Monroe County court history, with the most witnesses ever to testify, often leaving the jury in tears.
Read the heartbreaking account of a mother and community losing a loving, intelligent, and happy youngster to a painful and excruciating death at the hands of a cowardly psychopath who refused to accept responsibility for torturing Kison to death. The book that we're featuring this evening is Murder in a Small Town, The Kison Rice Case, with my special guest
author Larry Shekel. Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for this interview Larry Shekel, Thank you, Dan, thank you very much, and congratulations on this book, Murder in a Small Town.
Well, it was a joy to write that, and it's a very interesting book. It has a lot of lessons involved.
You write that, John Glynn writes the forward to this book, tell us who John Glynn is, and tell us tell us about the origins of this book. What brought you to this story? Why did you feel compelled to write this story? Oh, John Glenn was a friend of mine. I had him in class. I was a physics teacher here in Toma for many years. We have shared an interest in aviation. He has a motorized pained glider I fly Cessna one fifty and so we often have a
cross paths. He has a house at the airport and he is an executive for Cardinal Blast here in Toma. So he urged me to write this book as a lesson and also a story that should be told. Now tell us who John Glenn and his wife Joline are the living arrangements and their relation to the central figure in this book, Jessica Rice and Cayson Rice.
Yes, John and Joline Glenn. They live at the airport and Joline's sister is the mother of Jessica. So Jessica is the niece of John and Joline Glenn. He was born in nineteen ninety three and she was a dwarf. She had dwarf ism and so she underwent an extensive and painful hospitalization where basically they would break a bone, stretch it, let it heal, break it again, and so she is about four feet six inches tall. She graduated
from Homa High School. It was a painful thing to do in twenty eleven, and then she got a job at Taco Bell. Jolene and John took care of Jessica because Jessica's mother had some difficulties with emotions and mental capacity. So that's how Jolene lived with them.
Now you're right. In two thoy and nineteen she is living with John and Jolene their two children, and also John and Jolene's parents or Jolene's parents, pardon me, in this household what happens in twenty nineteen in terms of a change for Jessica Kyson.
In twenty fifteen, Jessica becomes pregnant and the man is not in the family at all. He has nothing to do with his lover and the son that is born. And so in twenty fifteen, jesse becomes a mother of a Kyson, and so they stay with John and Joline
Glenn in their house. And after a number of years, three years or so, when Kyson was that old, Jessica decides that she would like to be out on her own, so she rents an apartment in downtown of downtown Poma, say By Duplex, and in twenty nineteen she connects again with Marcus at Taco Bell. Marcus is a customer out there and they talk and eventually they decide in mark of two thousand and nineteen that Marcus is going to live with Jessica and her son Kyson.
Now her son Kaison is three years old. Does he have any developmental problems himself.
No, He's perfectly fine. He has a slight to tick in his eye because of a nerve, but it's a minor thing and treatable. He just has to take eye drops to keep the eye lubricated more than a normal person would. But he's described as healthy, intelligent, well liked. He likes to have a good time. He just a normal kid.
Now you talk about Marcus Anderson, and some of the information comes from people that knew him previous to twenty and nineteen. Marcus was born in July nineteen eighty four. His parents Tory and Helen Helen Anderson and a good account of Marcus's behavior comes from his one time living girlfriend Julie Alvarez al Kala tell us about their meat in California when a car broke down and her relationship with Marcus and her experiences with Marcus.
Yes very interesting. Marcus was a lad who had a difficulty staying in school. He often skipped he was cited
for that. He went to a nightclub where he found Julie had car trouble, so he helps her fix her car and they develop a relationship where Julie has five children of her own and she's in Bakersfield, California, but she moves to Phoenix, Arizona, and Marcus moves with her, and so Marcus and Julie are living together with the five children, and over time they have three children of their own. Marcus is constantly in trouble with the law. He is
a smokes marijuana frequently. He has a felony for gun possession. Eventually, him and his wife they rob a gas station. He is arrested. He spends six and six to seven years in prison, and then finally he comes to Wisconsin where his father is in a nearby town here, so he has a lot of scheckered pass that follows him to Wisconsin. Here.
You're right that she leaves him because he's beating her more frequently.
Oh, he beats her terribly and she will throw him out and then after a bit she calls him back. So it's the battered wife syndrome there. It's not a good situation. And he abuses the children too. When his Julie goes to work, he takes advantage of the children in not so good ways.
You're right that he's a big guy. Tell us how big this person is.
Well, the estimates vary, but at one time he was well over three hundred pounds three hundred and twenty four pounds. He's sixty three six 'y four. He is a big guy. He constantly tells people that he was in the Marine Corps, and of course he was never in the Marine Corps, and that is going to bode not well for him later on.
So let's get to twenty nineteen. You say that Jessica and Marcus reunite again and decide to rekindle the relationship, but at the same time he has other relationships in California with a woman named Regina Hall. But also tell us about Kyson's childcare or daycare arrangement and how Marcus comes to be involved in his care.
Yes, by the way, when Marcus comes to Wisconsin, he does marry a woman in Lacrosse. That does not bode well too. He beats her constantly and she finally sues for divorce and the police are called to their place a number of times. And then Jessica has Kyson in childcare, but when Marcus moves in with her in the duplex, she takes them out of big care. And during the day when Jessica is working, then Marcus takes care of Kyson.
You write about Shelby Anderson, his ex wife, and she has children or a child, and so she describes his behavior during their relationship and again the violence that ensues.
Yes, he seems to take advantage of vulnerable women, both in California and in Arizona. And then when he comes to Wisconsin. It's sort of a pattern he's developed. He does not view women as equals, but as basically his servants.
So Jessica had just moved to her own place at this Jody Circle address, so Marcus does not stay as soon as he moves in, he does not stay there continually. There is some travel in his plans, so tell us about those that traveling that he does, and then what happens when he returns.
Yes, he goes frequently to Madison. He's constantly dealing drugs, and Shelby Anderson described him as a street pharmacist. He frequently goes up to Alma Center where he has a lady friend up there that he has an association with He comes back frequently. And the strange thing is that Jessica doesn't seem to put any kabasha, that she seems to go along with it, which is kind of odd.
Yes, now, tell us about Regina Hall. When I asked about Regina Hall if she had any developmental issues, Yes, she does. She lives with her mother, April Hall, down in Phoenix area. She's one of those that believes that I guess any man is okay as long as she has some companionship. And so she does have developmental problems and emotional difficulties, and she clings to Marcus much more
than she should. She supports him financially, she sends some things in the mail, and it's an ongoing relationship where she refuses to believe that Marcus could be anything but faithful to her. Tell us about Larry and Cheryl Quarrels and their proximity to this story, but also to Jessica Rice and her home.
Yes, Larry and Cheryl Quarrels lived right outside of home, about a mile And when Marcus was gone for any extensive period of time, say a week or two, as he frequently was, then Kyson would take care, would be taken care of by Larry and Cheryl Quarrels. They had room out there and he'd often stay overnight with Larry and Cheryl. It's something that Jesse could rely on people that would take care of Kyson when Marcus was not there.
So Larry and Cheryl, when we talk about you write the prelude to Murder, which was May twenty nineteen, tell us about Larry and his interactions. Tell us about his interactions with Marcus. But we have to go backwards. When Marcus comes back from California and Arizona, he is admitted into the hospital, so Larry and Cheryl visit him at the hospital. Tell us about this incident and event at the hospital.
Yes, he's in the hospital for problems with his legs, which the medical profession believes is brought on by a drug use. Tyson and Jessica go to visit him. Jessica finds that Tyson is sitting on his lap in bed and he is pounding on his chest and saying, why are you making me look bad to the nurses. Jessica recognizes that she sees that she comes back just as sad as happening that she tells Cheryl about that, but
Cheryl and Larry do not do anything. They later regret not taking some action on that.
Let's use us as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages. Now, let's get to as you write the prelude to the murder. May third, twenty nineteen, Marcus stays out, is out the night before, and comes home early in the morning. Jessica is scheduled for work, but also has a morning appointment she has to go to. She doesn't have a car anymore. We won't have time to talk about how she lost that vehicle that John Glenn had
given her, but let's talk about that. Her friend, Amber Mosley comes to pick her up to go to work when she leaves, and then the phone calls between Marcus and Jessica that occur soon after Jessica starts her shift.
Yes, Jessica is picked up by Amber Mosley, who also works at Taco Bell. Tyson is not awake at the time. He wakes up about an hour later. Larry comes over later in the morning and they interact. And and when Marcus came back from his week in California, most everybody that knows him describes him as a totally different person. He was out there trying to get custody of his
three children, which he did not do. He has problems getting his drugs that he needs both to sell and to use on himself, and so Larry and Sheryl Quarrel says he's a completely different person. Ryan Campus also describes him as having a change in his attitude. He's angry, he's in a foul mood. He argues with Jessica violently the night before. It's not a good thing for Tyson to be around him, and that's kind of what happened.
You're right though, that their correspondence later is used in the trial, used in the investigation, and right away it's really telling of the character of Marcus. Have Jessica to a lesser degree, but it's important those messages to Jessica and how they he seems desperate much later in the day, So tell us the gist of what he is saying
to Jessica soon after going to work. What is he They're used to speaking to each other via text, but she is working, and so what is the nature of the calls and the texts that he makes to Jessica.
Marcus complains that Jessica is not taking care of him, and so they're texting back and forth. You don't care about me, you don't love me anymore, of that sort of thing. They also talk, and those texts, of course, are used in the trial because there's evidence they also talk talk on the cell phone, and during her entire noon break, she is talking to Marcus about their relationship. He is angry that he wants him, he wants her to come home and take care of him, and she says,
I can't, I'm working. And so later in the morning, Marcus and Tyson go to Sparta. He has to pick up a prescription over there. He's also texting and calling her during that time, over and back.
So he goes to Walgreens and he limps in, and we find out later why he might have done that. And they had continued their correspondence and now talking about their love for each other and that she would be having the next few days where she would be able to take care of him and certainly she wouldn't abandon him like he claimed, and he had spoken before that you need to get a full time babysitter. So his demeanor and his attitude seems to change in these calls.
But then there is a call all around five o'clock, and the tone of that is much different.
Yes, at about five oh four there's a camera, because Marcus had three cameras set up around the house and a monitoring system inside. That has all been confiscated and used by the police. And I saw those videos and it's a very telling one of Kyson and Marcus at about five oh four, the last time he's ever seen alive. He finally makes a call at about five five thirty or so, and he makes that's when he commits the murder, between five oh five and about five forty.
But before he calls a number of people, including the Quarrels and some other friends, and before he calls the ambulance.
And you say, the dispatch gets that call at five fifty five, so quite a bit after that time of five.
Clock, right, And there's no explanation of why he would wait five minutes before he called the ambulance. He calls three other people and some of the calls, other calls are dropped. The about five about six o'clock is when the ambulance out there.
What does he tell Jessica in his call has happened to Kyson?
He tells Jessica that he has fallen in the bathtub. Then later he changes it to where he has fallen in in the garage and so forth, but he doesn't really explain well what happened.
You write that Officer Steinborn enters the residence and what does he see Marcus Anderson doing with Kyson and tell us about the ensuing evidence and experience that he has with Marcus Anderson.
Steinborn is one of the first to arrive, along with Sergeant Ferlano. He sees Marcus trying to give resuscitation to Kyson and it is not going well. He finally the two officers get Marcus away and they try to revive Kyson. They work on it for about twenty minutes. The ambulance comes in and takes over after about four or five minutes, and it's a struggle to try to get some life back into Kison. All the while Marcus is dancing around and yelling and screaming and pleading. He doesn't know what
to do. I tried to save him, I gave him respiration, but it has not worked.
Yeah, Marcus says he found Kyson on the floor. The floors were wet, yes, but also that Kyson was fully closed and his clothes were drenched.
Yes, there's a contradictions between what he says and what the officers witnessed. Eventually, he gives a number of explanations of what happened, none of which are plausible.
Now, what they more dramatically and more important is there is incredible multiple bruising was visible over Kisson's entire body. And you're right that the ambulance services were able to find a pulse and they rush him to hospital.
Yes, after about twenty minutes of them being there, they realize that they are not making progress and reviving him, so they do take him to the hospital. Filano drives and then Marcus is staying back at the residence. The officers tell him to come to the hospital, it's only about half a mile away, but he does not come. He stays there at the residence.
There, So they rush Cayson to the hospital and they're working on him feverishly there and they expect Marcus to go to the hospital. Jessica arrives at that hospital soon after. What do officers observe Marcus Anderson doing instead of heading to the hospital right away?
Yes, Jessica does arrive with Amber Mosley at the house. Jessica is there and they have just taken Tyson to the hospital, and Marcus tries to give Jessica an explanation about falling in the bathtub. Then Jessica and her friend go to the hospital. Marcus stays there. There's a police officer there, Officer Heckman. They're expecting that he would come to the hospital right away, it's not very far away. Steinborn goes back another time to help he to try
to convince Marcus to come to the hospital. Eventually, Marcus gets in his car and flees, So.
Let's get to The officers realize that they want to search the crime scene, which happens to be the home on Jody Circle. What is Marcus Anderson's response to police to questioning and the request to search the home.
Well, Eventually, at about seven, a little before seven, Marcus gets in his car and leaves. It's then that the police officers realize that there may be a crime involved here, partly because Marcus does not come to the hospital as a normal person would. Marcus asked about Pyson his condition over and over. That's when they put out a bulletin what they call it points bulletin to look for Anderson, and he's eventually spotted downtown.
He has a dramatic scene as well. They're looking for this possible killer of this kaison three year old and they spot him and try to get him to come out of the vehicle. So what does he do in response to these demands?
Yes, he's stopped right across from the couple of taverns there. Perkins, Officer Perkins is the one that spotted him. They set up a block a block off streets. Anderson does not respond to officers coming out. They have a police dog there that is barking. He does not respond to that, and eventually they call in the tactical unit from the police department, which is about four or five blocks away.
The tactical unit comes. They use a bullhorn. They have a person an officer with a rifle trained on a Marcus in case there should be any problems. They have blocked off the streets on all the areas. They have a tire restraint under his car, and eventually they shoot a basically a bean bag at the window, the back window, and that gets his attention. They open the door and he eventually comes out. They place him under arrest. There
is no bullets fired except for that bean bank. He doesn't know why he's under arrest, but it's telling that when they put the handcuffs on him, he will never ever be a free man from that time on. Let's get to Let's get to that right away. Police interview Jessica. They want to know how much she knows about this very extensive bruising all over Kyson's body. The medical examiner hasn't actually done his autopsy as of yet, but they
still have questions for Jessica. She is reluctant to she seems to be protective of Marcus, but the police convince her to come clean. What does she eventually have to say? And I know she's reluctant, So how does the conversation start and how does it end with Jessica And what information does he impart to them about Marcus? Yeah, you're exactly right, Dan. At first, she is in denial. She doesn't want to believe that Marcus could have done that.
When the officer talks to her about the extense of bruising, she eventually comes round to the idea that yes, yes he did this, and I have to protect my son. I can't protect Marcus anymore, and so she realizes and gives a fairly full account of what happened in the past as far as their relationship is concerned.
As I mentioned, there's an autopsy done them e Teresa, I said, see what is discovered on the in the autopsy in terms of the extent of the injuries to Kyson.
Kyson is taken to the hospital, he is pronounced dead. He is photographed and put in a body bag. The funeral home comes and picks them up from Sparta. The next day, they have an autopsy at the University of Wisconsin Hospital in Madison, and the doctor Steer does that autopsies. He's done several thousand autopsies in his career, and they discover that he has almost two hundred different bruises over
every part of the body. The only parts of the body that were not bruised extensively for the bottoms of his feet, his genitals, and his palms of his hands. It's an extensive autopsy and very very telling.
You rite that the doctor, doctor Steer, concludes that he was likely shaken and there was movement in his brain. He also had a wound on the top of his head that couldn't be attributed to any kind of fall under any kind of circumstances. There was a couple of teeth knocked out, likely during this altercation. His rib was fractured, so there was multiple serious injuries on Kison.
Yes, bruised extensively on every part of the body. The shaking. You're correct. The autopsy showed that blood in the eye where there shouldn't be any blood in the areas of the brain where there should not be any chests, broken, broken ribs in a boy that young, those ribs should not break, they should bend fairly well. And that was all brought out in the trial.
Let's use this as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages. Now we have the notification that he would be criminally charged for first degree intentional homicide. Let's talk about the prosecutors and the defense and the gathering of the evidence by Monroe County officers and also from to May Police Force.
Yeah, the Toma Police Force did not take Marcus to the Tomah hospital. He complained when he was arrested that he had pain, So rather than going to the Tomah hospital where the crew there was exhausted from trying to keep like bring Kyson back to life, if you will, and they were not very happy about entertaining Marcus. He was taken to a nearby hospital and spared about fifteen miles away, and there they took care of him. They had the investigator Lewincey come in later and interrogate him.
The officers had their bodycims going all the time, in which there also was audio, and so he finally learns when they get a warrant, the warrant for his blood draw, which he objected to, and the warrant shows that he may be a suspect in a murder. That's when he goes furious because he had asked the officers as he was on the gurney in the hospital several times how Tyson was. Now he learns that Kyson has passed away,
and then he may be charged with that murder. So it's a very difficult time for him, but that's the way it goes.
You're right about the interview with Marcus Anderson and the resulting him from that. He imparts to them about the allegation of abuse on Kyson. So it's a sort of ridiculous, one stop lying venture that he does, but tell us about some of the lies and observacation that he employs. Speaking with the police, first of.
All, he tells them that Kyson fell in the shower. Then he changes his story a little bit where a shower curtain was involved, a shower curtain that was in the garage. He talks about how he might have disciplined Tyson in the past, but only with timeout and no physical abuse. So he weaves a tale of many lies, and the police officers kind of suspect that he's not truthful.
Now they do about midnight of the night of the murder, they do get a search warrant for the home on ten oh nine Jody Circle, and so three officers spend several hours gathering evidence and photographing it, also taking it to the police headquarters, and then they go back the next morning when it's light out, and they do another search. One of the things that they find in that search in the closet was a rifle, a twenty two caliber rifle, and of course, as Marcus was a convicted felon, he's
not allowed to have a rifle a weapon. They also find twenty two caliber bullets in the washing machine which he placed there and then they go back the next morning and they find blood spell ladder. They gather up a lot of the physical evidence that would be used in the trial is cane, some of the shoes, clothing, some of the toys that Tyson had, the recording system that he had with three cameras and a big screen,
and they gathered all of that up. They also gather a lot of evidence when he was in the hospital in Sparta in the next morning, at about three three point thirty in the morning, he's parted over to the jail which is right next door, where he is put in the sally port and searched, and he puts up quite a fuss and fight there and they gather additional evidence of his keys, his clothing, things of that sort.
So suffice to say is that he is a drug dealer by all people's accounts, but also he has a daily drug routine of which includes methamphetamine, which includes heroin at sometimes fetanyl and other opiates, oxycodone, and marijuana, but a plethora of illicit drugs at this person and is coursing through a system and was found in various locations in his car, some paraphernalia and drug residue and also the crime scene itself.
Yes, there are a lot of stuff was found in the car. For example, he had a twenty dollars bill that had evidence of drugs on it. And in the hole they had the straws, smoking pipes, marijuana grinders, a whole bunch of drug related equipment. There scales that weigh out drugs and so forth. Yeah, he was a street dealer.
All right, let's get to the more important crime here, obviously, is the murder of Kisen Rice. So let's talk about the trial. And as I mentioned, the prosecutors that line up and the defense attorney that lines up for this trial.
Yes, the trial started three years after the murder of The reason for that was COVID. Part of it was that he was constantly firing lawyers of public defenders. He was filing all kinds, had his lawyers finding all kinds of motions and so forth. So in the spring of nineteen of twenty twenty two, that's when the trial started. And the district attorney, Kevin Kroninger, is experience, he is well thought of. He was Prosecutor of the Year for
one particular year. And the assistant DA is Sarah Skiles, and she's very experienced, and so they take all that evidence. They send two investigators down to Arizona to interview people. The Winsky and Tesser did that. They were down there for about four days getting gathering a lot of information. They also when they were down there, they said they were going to issue subpoenas, which they did. They issue something like five or six subpoenas for people to down
there to come to testify. One of the problems was that Marcus had called his brother in California and says, well, go over there and see what you can do. And he went over there and shot up the place. So many of these people that were going to come up there were intimidated. But they did get Regina Hall and her mother April, to come to testify during the trial.
As well as Shelby Anderson, his ex wife.
Yes, and she was a powerful witness for the prosecution. Forty one witnesses altogether, Dan and he and probably doctor Steer would be considered the star witnesses. And all of those times, all of those the eight days of trial, the longest trial in Monroe County history. My friend John Glenn attended those. He attended all the hearings leading up to the trial and which were very extensive. He had the ability to do that because he was a CEO
over there at Cardinal Glass. So the defense attorney was Patrick Flanagan. He was out of Milwaukee, and he was very good. I went to several days of the trial and he did the best he could. Quite frankly, he didn't have much to work with.
You're right that the strategy for the prosecutor was pretty simple in that they demonstrated through various witnesses that Kyson was in perfect health and wasn't beaten and bruised with his teeth knocked out before Marcus Anderson and May twenty nineteen. That's right.
They did a lot of the friends that Marcus had, and there were a few three or four they testified about him. It did not help him as far as as concerned Marcus. When it came to the defense, the defense put nobody on the witness stand, no character witnesses, and the prosecution had a difficult time in that there were no witnesses, there was no weapons, and so they had to prove beyond a doubt based mainly on circumstantial evidence.
They did have DNA, they had the witnesses that did the autopsy doctor Steers, and that was powerful testimony, and Shelley did a very good job.
Let Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages. This trial, as you say, the prosecution puts out forty one witnesses and the defense really doesn't have much of a case and doesn't have any witnesses worthwhile in that defense. And you talk about the DNA, some of it was very interesting in that there was DNA found on belt that belonged to Kissen and a belt that belonged to Marcus, indicating that likely a belt was used in this murder.
Yes, DNA as you mentioned on both belts. Also there was blood splatter on the wall of the bathroom and there was DNA on the trousers of the murderer, Marcus. That was some very good physical evidence that the jury heard. They also during the trial when doctor Steers was presenting his autopsy results which were very graphic, and there were times when the jurors were literally sobbing and some looking
away because of the graphic nature of those pictures. I could not put those in the book, nor should I. Only no two ones that showed some bruising, and I think that would be that was acceptable to do that.
Absolutely dramatic testimony in this trial included Jessica, and what was surprising was that the cross examination of Jessica was only fifteen minutes. Tell us a little bit about Jessica's testimony and what was actually said.
Yeah, for my recollection, Dan. She basically said that Marcus was not a good person, that he did not treat Kyson nicely, he resented. She said that he resented having to take care of him because he could not do his business as such, and that Kyson that particular day May third, when the murder occurred Tyson, he was supposed to take care of him, and he said he had other things to do, so that particular day, Tyson was
a bother to Marcus. And so she did go into testimony about how they met, how they were treating each other, and so forth, and she did say, yes, I loved him at one time, but I think she was not very careful in vetting him ahead of time, not looking into his background, or she ignored advice from her friend Cheryl Quarrels when Cheryl mentioned to her that Tyson had been abused she did not take the advice of John Blend, her uncle to look more carefully at things, So there's
some culpability on her part certainly.
She was asked, were you going to remain living together and her answer was no, he was moving out the following weekend.
Yes a good point. Yes, she did say that, and she had just had enough of him that it was not going well. It was not only very abusive, but she finally realized that he was seeing other women, especially Regina, who came to Wisconsin and they spent She spent a week up here. He motored down over into Ohio with Shelby's car. That's when she found out that his wife, former wife, found out she had been married. And so far, you're right about doctor Michael Steer's testimony. Forensic pathologists two
hundred individual bruises, acute and not old. Historically, he had never seen as many in his entire career. Lesions, rib fractures, wound on the head. As I mentioned, direct bruising to the brain, which was a lethal injury. Kyson weighed thirty six pounds and forty one one and a half inches in length. He considered the lesions, the locations and the time and what was going on psychologically. He said, this
constitutes medically torture, and he emphasized torture. Yes. See, he turned to the jury and says, this was not an ordinary crime this and yelled it out torture several times. And I think that made a big impact on the jury.
Now, a big impact on the jury, and a surprise to myself and anyone listening is why and how and what Marcus Anderson says on the stand. Tell us how he decides to take the stand, and then let's talk about some of the things that he has questioned about and his incredible answers.
Yeah, that was one of the days when I was there and I was surprised as well as some of the people that he would take the stand, but he decided to do that. That was what his lawyer told a judge. And of course it's entirely up to the defendant. And when he was asked over and over but what happened, he would give an answer, then he would change it eventually. I believe the DA counted to sixteen or seventeen different versions of the reason that Tyson was killed and how
he passed away. He would be asked about something and he would say, well, well, you know what I mean, You know what I mean. It did not go well. I kind of felt that he had been better off not to take the stand.
But certainly he did, and the jurors got to hear exactly what he had to say and how he behaved, and his responses to all of his behavior and all of the allegations. The jury deliberated for I think you write two and a half hours, So tell us about the verdict.
Well, and there were sixteen counts. The first count was the count of murder, which was the important one, yes, and then there were counts of bail jumping, intimidation of a witness, several counts dealing with false imprisonment, things of that sort. And the jury took, as you mentioned, two and a half hours. I did talk to two of the jurors later and they were very open about that.
They said, right away we knew he was guilty. It was the but they have to go through each of the sixteen counts and they have to agree guilty or not guilty in every one of those counts. So that's the reason it took two and a half hours. He was found guilty on twelve of the sixteen counts, the accounts that he was acquitted of was basically on bail jumping, which were really not that important. Really, it was the first one that was the big one.
You're right that Wisconsin hasn't had a death penalty since the turn of the century the twentieth century, and so the only sentence available, the maximum sentence, would be life without parole without the possibility of parole, and consecutive sentencing for the other charges.
Yes, yes, I'd have to go back and look, but I think he had something like one hundred and some years totally. And he was taken to wapon which is one of the main prisons in Wisconsin, and eventually transferred to Boston Bell, Wisconsin, which is the maximum security which is one of the few maximum security prisons in Wisconsin.
And you say that he was transferred there for likely because he was a danger. And this is isolation even from other inmates. So this is a special kind of hell for people that deserve it, like this person here.
Yeah. And it's strange, Dan, because Bastobell, Wisconsin is a small community right along the Wisconsin River in a southern Wisconsin beautiful area. And he will never be able to see the hills that lay right outside of his stell there twenty three hours in the cell, and then he give an hour where they can go out and exercise a little bit. They only send him there if they misbehave in other facilities, and that's what he did when he was in wapon He was not a nice guy over there.
You right that John Glynn, Jessica's uncle, spoke at and made an impact statement, along with other people involved in this case as well, But you include John Glynn's dramatic impact statement.
Yes, and very emotional and very telling. He at one point talked about you would say something like a bruise here, and then he would count and then another bruise here, and a hit and slam here and so forth, and that was very very dramatic. And then several police officers also spoke and as the assistant DA at the about the crime.
And they talked about Kyson finally just only three years old, but had lived three years of life and had developed this lovable character that John Glenn described.
Yes, Superman, he was a Spider Man. Rather, he was a big fan of Spider Man. And he was three years and eight months when he was killed. The funeral was held a week after the murder. He had several cousins, John Blenn's children grandchildren were about the same age, and he had a very beautiful white cast, and all the children at the visitation took little stickers of like Superman,
Spider Man and they put it on the cast. And that was very therapeutic for them to do that, to finally say goodbye to their friend that they had known for a number of years.
As you mentioned, John Glynn met with you and said that this story needed to be told, and he wanted you to tell it, and you certainly have. I want to thank you very much for coming on and talking about murder in a small town, the Kisan Rice case. For those people that might want to check out more about this story. Do you have a website? You do any social media? Yeah, we have a website. They can just type in Larry Sheckel and it'll the website will come up. We also are on Facebook and I do
a weekly blog we have promoting the book. It's a tale of how a community has to be careful about their young people. It also is a cautionary tale about young ladies who have to be a cognizant that there are men out there. There are good men, and there's some that are not so good, and they have to be very careful about that. It's a story that about child abuse, and that's very much in the news these days. I hope that John Glenn is pleased with the book.
He said he is, and he has promoted it for me. Also, it also is a tale of diligent police work and two police forces working together to solve this incredible crime.
Yes, and also I should point out that Judge Goodman, Judge Mark Goodman been on the bench over there for about ten years or so. Well liked, very diligent about making the people that come to testify feel welcome and at ease. He had a checklist, he said, of twenty things I have to do to run this trial, and he'd frequently say, well, I'm number fourteen right now, that
sort of thing. And he has to be very careful about having it not go to appeal because as this moment, Marcus Anderson has filed seventeen appeals and they're still ongoing. So I can't point out how good a job that Mark Goodman did over there.
Yes, again, I want to thank you for coming on and talking about murder in a small town, the Kaison race case. Thank you very much Larry Shekel for this interview, and you have a great evening and good night. Thank you, dam thank you.