MAYBE YOU DIE-Nancy Lee

her family are involved in a serious auto accident. She assumes she has successfully cheated the death that the palm reader prophesied. Unfortunately, the sinister and tragic break in the lifeline and its deliverer are yet to be revealed. The book that we're featuring this evening is Maybe You Die, The true story of a couple living the All American Nightmare with my special guest author, Nancy Lee. Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for a Greenness interview.

to hear your confession. Would you like to do that? And it threw me because no, I wasn't looking for a confession. I was looking for a priest to give me the last last rites. And he said, okay, let's go from there, and then all of a sudden, I started with the pain was subsiding that I was feeling all over, and it just got quieter, and the voice this got quieter, and suddenly there was I was in

no more pain, right. And then the next thing I remembered was on the next day, and I think it was the next day, and somebody was touching my head and I'm I'm saying, oh, you know, I hurt. I hurt. And she said, I said, these bandages, something is on me and she said yes, she said, their compression bandages. She said, there are parts of your scalp that are missing, and she said that we have to put pressure on them. And she said, you'll be all right? Can you be okay?

God is with you? Do you are? You are a miracle.

before you met Bob and you grew up. So tell us tell our audience how you met Bob before before that, how you grew up where you grew up.

is not That was the highest paid job then. And it was just my last day, I mean at school when Mary uh came and started talking about this. But we had a big Polish wedding. It was supposed to just be a nice, little formal wedding, and then Bob's parents said, you know, we've been going to weddings all of our years, and we would like all more people.

And before you knew it, our wedding that we were planning was totally out of control and it was our parents' wedding, and I made the dresses and the you know, my dress, all the bride'smaid dresses. And then we Rich was Bob Rich's cousins and that was helping me with some of the stuff. But anyhow, Bob Bob wanted to finish more schooling and so we ended up in Houston, Texas for one of the most UH prestigious photography studios

in the world. And I got that job as a receptionist just because UH our Before that, we lived in Bloomington as he finished the year before, and I worked at a studio and they suggested I go there, and that was one of the experienced great experiences of my life. They were associated with the back Rock Studio and our clients were the President and the UH and the royalty

of the world. And from that we came UH to the Midwest, back here for him to get his job, and then I had We decided to settle down here for a couple of years with the promise that we would go back to Chicago and I could continue my career. But in those days, a lot of us women UH we we bent to our husband to their career, and so I put mine on the back stage so that we could further his and I had we bought a home, a student home, uh no Ah, a student house for

college students to live. And so I had s seventeen students that I had to take care of, plus working my job and he worked his job. And I had got pregnant and had a miscarriage and was told had had to have major surgery and was told that I would never be able to have children. There was just too much damage. And so we adopted a beautiful little baby girl, and then lo and behold, I got pregnant and the doctor said there was no way, there was

too much missing, and yet there it was. I had three children, and in the meantime we were into We bought a pet, Saint Bernard, and then we took her to obedience school and found out she was pretty good, so they said show her, so we showed her, and before you knew it, we were showing this dog and getting interested in the breeding program and showing and Rich's career or his first name is Bob, middle name, but

we called him that. So Bob's career was had taken off and we were doing well, and we decided to build a kennel to board and groom dogs. And it was so beautifully done that Ralston Perina came out, took pictures. It was in the newspapers and everything. So now I was at the head of that while he was working his job, and we had people helping with the house and the children, and life seemed very very good and we were very happy.

good father, he was a participant. Your marriage was strong. So you thought, these are the kinds of things in his personality that you loved about him. And at some point during this time, things changed, but it took a long time for you to see any changes in him whatsoever. He was a happy person, you said, at some point before you noticed anything untoward, you noticed a difference in his behavi just towards you.

children were with him, and they had three children. And I said to him as we got in the car, I said, gee, I said, I can't believe how she could have you know, the house that meet with three children working and and it was just overwhelming that she could do all that. And he said, sometimes the house isn't that clean. And suddenly something was wrong and I said, you've been here before, and he stuttered and said, well, a couple times. Her husband couldn't get there to the

clinic to pick her up. So I drove her home and we're in the car and he's starting it, and it was autumn, and the little tiny leaves were dancing across the hood of the car as he started it, and I started shaking. It seemed I felt like something is different in our life now that was never there before. And that's when I first picked up on something I had hoped that I didn't, that I didn't, that wasn't real, But it was the beginning of the end in a way.

And then one day I had to I had to go to the kennel to get it opened. Waiting for the receptionist to come in. I came back to the house and bumped into him, and he should have already left for the hospital, and I said, and he's standing there holding sleeping bags that I came from the girl's closet. And I said, what are you doing? And he said, oh, I noticed these needed repairing. And I said they need repairing and I said, they don't need repairing. What are

you doing in their closet? He said, He said that. I just looked at something was sticking out of the of the shelf and I walked by and I picked him up, and I was gonna show it to you and thought that there was something wrong. So I at that point was thinking, no, he's taking them out somewhere for the afternoon, for the lunch, to go to the

park or something like that. And that was my first thing. Mm. Then there were other instances where I knew that he was going out at night and sneaking in and realized that there was something going on. And and I had to go to the university with a puppy and leave my youngest son with one of my friends who had a child that age. And when I left him, sh

I was shaking all over. That was the day rather that the b they he was had the blank it's And she said, what's the matter And I said nothing, and she said, yes, there is something, and she said you need to sit down and listen to what I have to say. And she said, all of us in the kennel club are getting these strange phone calls and they are just saying how nervous you are and this, And she said, we all know you better than that.

And she said everyone's talking, but nobody's telling you. She said, Nancy, she said, I think there's something going on. And I said I do too, And I said I don't know what to do. And I said, you know, she says, why don't you prove it so that one way or another? And I said, well, how do I do that? And she said, Hi, you're a detective. I said, I can't

afford a detective. The kennel is just hanging on up there, red it's new, and so anyhow, I went to the University of Illinois, I had the puppy checked, and came back home and picked up my child and went to the kennel and opened the phone book and there was enough money I opened because the Christmas boarders were checking out. And I called a detective and I told him my suspicions of the different things that were happening. And he said, piece the cake. And I said, well, what are you

talking about. He said, I'll have him. I'll have him disproven for you in a day or two. I said, you're kidding. He said no. He said he's gotten so cocky now that he that it will be easy. And so I paid him the money and he put a trap on the car or under the wheels through what they do, and they followed them to the park with different sleeping bags, and so it was just such a relief, because I had been thinking of going crazy that this man,

this cannot be happening. He is just the best person in the whole world, you know, and you're doubting yourself. I'm tyed and doubting me, you know, like, what is what's going on here with? You know, we have everything going for us, But I guess it looked pretty good to somebody else too. And that night he was going to bowling with it with the group, and the detective called me from the bowling out.

to tell me to pick him up. And it was rather joyous and in a way because I knew that I wasn't crazy, because that was really starting to, you know, work on me that I'm imagining that this great guy could do this. So anyhow, I filed for divorce and he said, no, let's go for consoling. Let's go for conson Let's go to this priest. Let's go to a priest. He won't charge us. So we go to the priest and we both talked to him, and then he said, I want to talk to each of you for one hour.

And then he said, I'll let you know whether I can come console you, and I will call you Nancy. And he never called. So a couple of days went by and I called him and he said, I've decided I can't console you. His problems are too deep. I said, what are you talking about? His problems? He just he's having a fling. What kind of problems does he have? And he's said, he says, my suggestion is you got to see a psychiatrist, and you both have to go if you want to save this marriage. He said, but

my honest feelings are get the divorce, don't go. But I know I'm not going to give up. So I went to the psychiatrist two times and he refused to go. And then one of my friends says that she says, why don't we try my reverend. He's a Presbyterian and he was the head pastor at a one at the big prisons in the United States. She said, you can tell him anything, and so can so can your husband, Bob. And I said okay, And we went to him for constantly,

and for months it was very nice. Everything was like back to normal. And then all of a sudden, something is wrong, just something is wrong that I can't put my fingers on. And I didn't know what to do. And I went back to the reverend and he said, Nancy, He said, I've never known a woman to say that. She knows. You're built in with special equipment in your brains, and you know something is wrong, and it is then wrong. She said now, He said, now, you must get out

of this. You must get out of this marriage. It is not healthy. And he said it's a man's world. You know, You've got to get everything you can, but you've got to get out of this now. And I'm still not you know, just I'm not ready to let go. And but in the meantime, this story goes along of my being in the hospital and all of the day, each day, each day something new in the hospital. Sixteen days and ironically, we had been married sixteen years. And

each day I find a different thing. First couple of days, just that I'm alive, and then how much damage I think the third or for the day, the three doctors come in once in a suit. When two are in, there are and they're said, hey, you're looking pretty good, lady, and I'm of course looking at them. I have no idea who they are, and they are introducing themselves, and of course I barely see and I still don't know, and they're just saying, look, look, let's let's let's check

you out and see how you're doing. And they're looking at my head and they said, look at that. He said, we did a good job. He said, those ears made it. I said, what ears made it? They said, well, your ears were cut off except for the facial tissue holding them on, and we did our best under the circumstances, you know that, to hope that we could get them to stay on. I said, my m I I might not have ears. And with that, I don't remember anything

else that they said. I was just in such a state of shock that I think I just I fainted away. And each day different doctors would come in and check me for different things on my head and uh telling me where I stood. I had no idea what I looked like. I know that that uh A plastic surgeon came in and he picked me up and put me on the window sill to take a good look. And he said, wow, he said, you know this is amazing. Your face is cracked completely in half on this side,

the whole face, and the other one just partly. He said, but it according to the X rays, it looks like it's going back together with I just can't believe without having to get in there and pin it. He said, you're gonna have some scars you're gonna need and a lot of scars. You have a lot of scars. We're gonna have to remove your scalp at the top and pull it up over a little bit to hide. There's so many up at the top there. And I'm just listening and thinking, oh my god, what do I look like.

I must be a monster because of these things, and I don't want I'm not looking at myself. I'd asked the nurse the day before to turn the mirror that was way up in front on the wall around. I was afraid to look at me because I'd already heard about the ears, and now I'm hearing about this. In each day it was something else. An eye doctor was there all the time, and then they had a dentist come in in another day, and this just went on and on and on.

they don't. You're not even having phone contact with anybody, and there's a guard outside the hospital in case, when you're in the hospital as well, you talk to somebody and it's a very important phone call with Sue's husband, Chuck. What does he say to you?

He knows enough about medicine that if you do that, they won't do it again. And they chose not to do it again, so they'd got no information out of him. And they did run medical test and find out that he had hypoglycemia and sort of the opposite of sugar diabetes. And they sometimes can make people do strange things, but this was more than strange. And then he was able to be free, and like he every day, I learned

something new about what was happening to me. What condition I was in, what things I was going to have to have done when I got out of the hospital. I hadn't talked to my children, and at one point I thought about that. I thought, oh my god, I haven't even thought about the kids. Where is my head?

You know? I mean, is everybody okay? And that I mean I was just still so out of it for such a long time and nearing There was a point that came to nearing the end, and I was thinking, maybe, you know, going for for help.

hear this before you do. He said, oh, not even a year ago. The phone rang and I was on a different shift, and he said I heard them talking, and I thought I was sleep dreaming sleeping. He said, I paid little attention until now. And he said, what I heard was, he said, did you have any kind of surgery? And I said, yes, I had some veinstripping. And I said, I had a really rough time all of the incisions infected. He said, and did, And I said, and as a matter of fact, you're what And I'm

accusing them still of having an affair. And she calls me and asks me to drive me to the doctor from my checkup. And I thought that was so strange. But it was later in the same day that I fainted at the kennel. I was at the kennel and I just and I'm getting ready to go to the doctor to have him check my incisions. And I'm at the kennel just checking everything is okay, everybody's there that's supposed to be there, and I'm going to go, and I fainted and I called my husband, Bob, and I

told him, and he said, don't go driving. I said, why not. I said, this doesn't mean you know, I said, I'm okay now. I said, I just probably turned my head too fast or something. And then his girlfriend to be called me and asked to drive me. And he said it was such a weird conversation that I never never mentioned it to you, he said, But today something happened and that made me go back to this weird conversation.

And he said, and this was when I was getting close to leaving the hospital fourteenth day or something like that, and he said, does anybody spill a certain brand of dog food? And I said, no, nobody in the country has it. One of the breweries is starting to make it, and they gave you know, they'd be give us. We

bought four ton of it to have it right. And he said, well, I thought that your you and your husband are thinking about getting back together, and I just wanted you to know there were ten bags of it on our porch because they had one of our dogs. They bought one from us. And he said, and that conversation that I heard last year close to it came

back to me. You know that I should. I should tell you, no matter how bizarre it is, because if they're if there's nothing going on it and he wants to get back to you, why does she have this dog food? He said? You know I've been so naive all of this time, Nancy that uh Nina, you know that you need to know, you need to know that that this may still be going on. And so right then and there I decided, Okay, that was it, that

that was it. But even before that happened, I, you know, I was giving you know, to that to that point. There was another point that besides going to Reverend Gates, I went back to call the priest to see, you know, if he would consider I was trying everything desperately to keep my family together foolishly. And I called the priest and the housekeeper answered and then said father's in the hospital. He's having minors surgery and he's such a sissy about it.

She said, I'm going to call him and tell him you're going to go, because we've talked about you over the last year, and he'll be glad to see you. And so I went up to see him at the hospital and he said, these are just all of these things are scattered, but they're in the book and make the piece together beautifully. I'm not doing a good job of it. And I went to see him and he said, I'm so glad you're here. And I said, I'm so glad you're going to counsel us. And he said, oh no, no, no, no,

I'm not going to console you. He said, I have thought about this and thought about us. And remember when I suggested you go to a psychiatrist. He said, I could see something that you know of danger, And how could I tell you I'm a psychologist, But I just knew the problems were so deep within this person. And he said, I want you to leave, Nina. I want you to leave right now and go file and get

out of this marriage while you still can. And I was shaking so bad, and I had to go to that dark parking deck to get my car, and I was shaking and I couldn't get the damn key into the lock of the car. And I finally got it, and I jumped into the car and I put my head on the steering wheel and just sat there for a little bit to try to get my composure before

I start driving. And there was a bang on the car door and I looked and screamed, and the person was an elderly man and he screamed and he just happened to be in the car next to me, and he thought I was sick and I said, no, no, I'm okay. And I said I'm okay, I'm just thinking, and I hurried up and got out of there, and over all the years to this day, I worry about that man. I worry. Oh my god, I could have

killed him. I hope I didn't, you know, I just he was He was so terrified and I was so terrified. And then right after that is when when all of this stuff happened. And it's tell us book is written where it goes very smoothly a day in the hospital and a day of our life. And the reviews have been just wonderful, saying how well written it is, and I'm so proud of it, so much better than my talking on the pomcast.

you know, and did anything happen? And I said, yes, I fainted, but I thought it was just because I had turned around too quickly, or so when I went to the kennel to check to make sure everything was okay, and I was going to the doctor to have him checked my legs, and he said they about taking medicine out of a capsule and putting sleeping medicine in it.

And I said, oh my god, that's what happened. Because when I went to the doctor, he said he had never seen all of those incisions in fact, he said, once in a while, you'll get one, you know that you'll have one incision, but a whole row of them all infected. Were you taking your antibiotics? And I said yes, And then that led me to what what Chuck had said, is that, oh my god, they had taken my antibiotic medicine out of the capsules and poured sleeping medicine. And

that's why I collapsed on the floor. And I could have gotten into a car accident. And I did go ahead and drive, and I didn't notice anything else. But I could have killed people. I could have killed me. But they they wanted me to sleep so that they could get out at night, and that they didn't know that during the day I had an appointment to go to the doctor, and that now I didn't know. Do you want me to tell the act, the actual the actual event, Well.

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It was a horrible blizzard, and I said we can't go. So I called, you know, my groom, or said, you got to be quite crazy. She said, I'm getting out of here now as soon as I'm done with these dogs. And she said, youn't got to be nuts, you better call And I called him and I said, Bob, I said, we're not going. That's it. Call them and we're not going anywhere. I said, it's a snows already. And it

ended up being one of Furia's worst blizzards ever. And I said, we're just we're just going to stick right here. And he said, no, we're not. We're going. And I said, you gotta be kidding. He said, we've canceled three times or twice or whatever it was on them. And I said, so what they're going to understand? They wouldn't come here, why would we go there? And he said we are going.

I said, all right, you're driving. And I thought we would be taking He had the the smaller car that he that he used, not we had a big twelve passenger van because we were hauling Saint Bernard's and that to dog shows. And we go and Lucy, the nurse that had been babysitting for us. There are other as incidents that have happened that were that were very powerful in the book that you won't hear to you read

the book. But anyhow, Lucy was here and I said, Lucy, this is crazy, and you know, I said, you know, we should not be going. And I said, you know this, this is dangerous. This is very dangerous. And I said, for some reason, he sure wants to get me out tonight. And so she just laughed and he said, I'll probably dry. I'll drive you home tonight, Lucy, because it'll be too bad for you to go home. And I thought, too bad.

I said, I don't know how she got here. She's an old woman, has a little old car and drives, like, you know, thirty miles an hour. And so we go, we get and and oh, we're taking the van. I said, why on earth are we taking the big van? The little car holds the road a lot better than this big thing is going to you know. And he said we're and I said, we're going to take the van.

I said, okay, you're driving, you know. And and so we went to dinner, and we got done with dinner with our friends and they're getting ready to go home, and and Bob says, no, we're gonna play cards. They said, you've got to be kidding, you know, it's like six inches deep already. We don't need to play cards. And my husband says, yes, we do. We planned this and planned this, and these said the road, there's nobody got much on the road, and we're not going to have

any problems. And it's just so bizarre that we're going to do this. And so we play cards for an hour and then we get into We're getting into the car and he said, you drive. I said me, I never drive this thing, especially in this kind of weather. Why would you want me to drive? And he said, I've got a headache and I'm going to go lay down on the back seat. And it was a twelve passenger a van, so there were several rows of seats.

And I said, you better sit right behind me because I don't even know where the edge of the road is. I don't even see a car. We're on a small interstate I mean, I'm on a small state road. And I said, I don't even see a car. I'm not even sure where the edge of the road is. And he said, i'll guide you. So anyhow, he's guiding me. And we've driven just about fifteen minutes and he said I'm going to lay down. I said, you got to be kidding. You can't go lay down. You can't go

lay down, I said, I cannot see anything. And he said, he said, okay, pull over over. There there's an animal clinic that we have gone to and there's a big wide mouth to the driveway. You can just pull over. And I said, why don't you just put your head out the window and vomit, you know, because he said he had to vomit. And I said, because this is this is crazy. It is crazy. We can't pull off. We're not sure we're on and he said, we're on it. Now. Put the car. What the hell? Why am I putting

the car in park? He said, put the car in park and it won't slide. I said, where's it gonna slide? We're on that flat space. And he's adamant about my putting the car in park. And I do that. I put it in park. Should I tell the rest?

makes no comments, and he just keeps hitting me. And at one point I could feel it slide across the front of me, and I grabbed it with my arm and held it and held it. And it's a great, big tool. It's some kind heavy, heavy and he jumps over the top of me, facing me, and he hits me with his fist on my face. And I noticed he's wearing my new leather gloves I gave him for Christmas.

And he hits me again and again, and I'm begging and and I'm saying, you can't do that, and I'm praying to my mom, Mom, please watch over me, because you warned him, You warned me years ago that he could be dangerous. And I thought you just drank too much that night, and I passed it off. And I feel her there now helping me, trying to say the

right thing, and I said stop. And at one point he hits this vein on my head and the blood goes escorts on this huge windshield and it goes from one side to the other like a rainbow, and it just dripping down and I said, please stop. Stop. We'll say we got in an accident. And he stops, and I said, we'll say that we skid it off the road and you went to the farmhouse over there to get help and a car hit us, and that's how I got so hurt, he said. Then he says, okay,

because I think he had just had it. I don't know, and so he climbs over me. He helps move me to the passenger seat, and I still got this tool whatever it is, under my arm, and he didn't pay any attention to it. He just moved me over and I said, please get me to the emergency room. I'm dying and he said you're not dying. I said, please get me there. So he had me rehearse on the way there to the hospital. He's actually taking me to the hospital and the I've still got the tool and

he said, throw that out of the window. So I opened the window and instead I just let it slip right down the side of me and held on to it, thinking, you know nothing else, I'll fall out of the car. I'll open the car and fall out, you know, And we we pull up actually, and you know, I'm still thinking there's no way, there's no way we're gonna we're gonna go, and he's not gonna take me there, but he's taking me there, and so we promptly. I said,

I can't, I can't talk anymore. My mouth hurts so much. I can't I know what I'm gonna say. And then first when you pulled up to the emergency room, the policeman comes and then he sees me and he starts screaming to people to get you know, the stretcher and that kind of thing. And then he goes and he's talking to my husband and I have no idea what he's saying to him. And and then the person opens the door and gets gets me ready and I'm holding onto this thing in my arm and he said, whoa.

He said, that's the biggest commercial pipe wrench I've ever seen. So that's what it was. It was a commercial that he had probably taken from the hospital to clinic whatever. And then you know, I go. They take me into the thing and I'm still able to give my parents' names and numbers and that kind of thing and tell them just to tell the children we were in a

car accident, but we're okay. And then I remember them cutting my clothes off there, you know, and the lady said, oh, my goodness, this is your rah so beautiful, and I said, yeah, it's brand new. He just bought it for me. He bought me. Oh, he never buys me anything. And he bought me a a brand new coat with the fur collar, and my suit and everything. And I was dressed in all of that and they're cutting it off and apologizing, and I'm getting sick, and they said, she's hurry up,

get a pan, she's gonna vomit. So then I've I'm starting to vomit, and then I lose it a little bit until I get into the operating room. And when I get there, I'm not even sure i'm there. I just know that my mouth is so full of blood. And that's when it goes on to my asking for a priest, and that's when I die, uh on the operating table. And I did not know that I died on the operating table for many days. And the only

reason I found that out was by accident. One of our friends is the doctor, and and a lot of them were and and he it was you know, like nine o'clock at night. He had come to see me and I could see him. Then it was like, I don't know, eight days somewhere around there, and he is drunk, and he's got a tuxedo on and his ties crooked, and he said, hi, babe, and he said, I just

didn't have the nerve to come and see you. And so he so he's he's he's sitting with me, holding my hand, and incomes of somebody else and he said, Hi, you don't recognize me, and I said no. He said, I'm the Anasty's theologist and he said I he said, Mac. He said, there's no reason for this gal to be here. He said, it's the second time in my career. I had to go home, he said, And I've been at this a long time, you know that, Mac, And he said.

He said, we're operating on her, and she's telling us Polish jokes, and he says, and then then she goes unconscious, and then she comes back and tells us another Polish joke, because she's Polish and she hears all of the jokes. And he said, we're just looking at each other and we're trying to peace what we can you know back and and he said, I lost her. He said, I lost her, Mac, And he said, I want you to know, and Mac, you remember to remind her that her blood

pressure And he said. Years will pass by and different things will happen, but you remember this because in all my life, this never happened. He said. When my blood pressure drips dropped, it went out and he said, we had a hard time getting it back. It didn't went from normal, and he said, we couldn't believe it's staying at normal. And he said, and then it was gone.

And he said, I want you to know that so that when you have other surgeries or anything in your life, you will be able to tell them that this is something they need to look out for. And so I remembered that, and that's how I found out that I died on the operating table. And true what he said, three different times that happened to me after I had anesthesia.

So uh, he knew that no matter how much it's all the new technology, and that it was still you know, it happened three times and too minor, two minor surgery and one major. My blood pressure dropped drastically low but came right back up. That's the thing. And they never had to do anything, although one time they did get the crash cart, but it just went back up like it never happened.

of this. So I think it was one of the more vivid moments in this attack that somehow or other that respect for that woman and you knew that instinctfully, that you just said that to him. Was the latic part of me.

He gets to visit with your children while you're still in the hospital. Yes, So what happens from this You finally talked to Chuck people finally, because even when you're being attacked, you're saying you're sick. I'm going to cover for you. So it's incredible that you still care for this person and trust this person. Unbelievably, now that you have this realization when you're in the hospital, that's enough. I've heard enough. I cannot love this person enough to

continue with him. But he has this defense for this horrendous attack on you. What happens from those charges from that investigation from what the police know has been done to you, what happens as a result.

you know, he was going to lose it. And the attorneys said, for once, you know, let us think about this Nina and what she's going to face. Uh, with four children, we have no I mean, he's no matter what kind of disease he has, because uh, we we have grounds to put him in jail. Now, what are we what are we doing for the kids If we do this, They're going to have a father in jail and no income. And what is it safe for them for their life? You know? What? Or where is their father?

What does he do? He's in jail, he's lost the things that he really wants. Now, let's see if we can and we do. I we owned a couple apartment houses that we had just purchased that were highly highly in debt, uh cause we just got them. And that he said, let's see if this this excuse the hypoglycemia. Nancy Nina, Nancy Nina and her f and her friend Nancy that she talked to Ed said, you know, what, what do we have? What what should we do? What

do you think? And so the atturney got together and they said, you've got to go to the grand jury and you tell you tell what you know? You never lie? Had he ever done this before? No? Is the answer, And if they go further than that, you have to answer honestly. If that's as far as they go. We're trying to work out a deal with Bob and the two of us are trying to look out for you

that we will say that this happened. Because of this, he will continue to work and keep his license as a therapist, and he will then he will give child support to you. If we put him in jail, we can put him in there for a long time because we can pull out some other things and that, but looking after you. After you, he can have her if he wants her, you know. But this is the gamble that you take, that we're all taking. And so I had to go to the grand jury and I did

not lie. That's the only question they asked me. Had he ever done anything like that before?

embarrassing that it would happen. And my groomor was constantly getting me up and walking me to our home which was close by you.

had made other attempts but nothing came of it. Had that been brought out, then.

You know, this woman and this man, this man would not be the first man that a prosecutor would use, would put out the motive possible that this person wanted to get rid of his wife, avoid a divorce, and carry on with his new life. That's I think what a prosecutor would seriously contemplate in this case, given all the information.

is the next one. Mom. When I cleaned, when I was grooming, doing dog rooming, dressmaking, working at a factory for alcohola and cleaning house for my best friend. My best friend, and nobody knew, which nobody was told. We'd be sitting playing cards with my girlfriends and her and she'd say, oh, you have a new housekeeper, and she would just say yes. And that went on for five years. I cleaned her house and nobody knew it, and then I came back that day and played cards with them.

I had it so really rough, and you can ask any of my children that it was really difficult, and yet they were raised with it's going to be grade school, high school, college, that's it. And everybody got through, and everybody had loans.

properties and that was mainage. Managed to keep this and in the summertime when the children were got good jobs at a factory to help, you know, with their schooling and everything. They even gave me money to make sure I didn't lose the house. I lost everything else I didn't lose it. I sold it but didn't make any money. Everything was heavily mortgaged. Yes, And now you know the boys, the boys have still one of them, you know, was with his dad not long before he passed away. He

was already an Adulton's out of school college. And do they love him? The boys I think still love him. One likes him but doesn't love him. The other when the old the older boy loves his dad, got to watch some football games with him, and that one went and spent the summer with him, and it came home early. The girls have nothing for him, or to have very little love for him. I I still love part of him and think, how how can you do this? Still, you know, how could you do this? How could you

do this to me? I still question it and still wonder at times, you know, what could I have done? What could I have done to change the scenario.

testament of his ability to convince you. I hate to say this as much of a con but you know he was calling immediately telling you, professing the love, wanting to keep the marriage together, and then you find out no, he's still continuing in the first blatant, outright lies, and yet he had the ability to still have that little bit of charm that you fell in love with a long time ago.

And yet there's still, like I said, some part of me that says, I wish I knew the magic t to to make it work, to see did I do something? Are you doing something? No, it just happened somebody. It just that he couldn't let go of the possessions and that's why. So yeah, I didn't think about how we were going to separate it. The attorneys did and they informed me, and I said, it's okay, you know, this is what we're going to do. My head still was not,

was not, you know, thinking what should we do? What shouldn't we do? They said, look at this is what we're thinking about. What do you think? Yeah, okay, I have the properties, I can sell them. I have something something. Yet, because somehow we have to live, I gave up my career. I'm I can't go back to it now.

and Yale. And when they were talking to me to be a buyer, they kept saying, do you know what you're passing up? Of course not. I'm getting married and this. How can you know? You can't look in the future. You know, I knew that. You know that everyone was telling me that this is that offer to just anybody. Look at all these people that are their buyers. You know, they come from a lot higher higher schooling than I had. And you're being offered this often. Are you sure you

want to give it up? No, at that time to.

the All American nightmare. I know for people that might want to look, it's on Amazon, this book, but it's also on Apple Books, so people can look for that there. I want to thank you very much, Nancy for this interview. I want to thank you very much and you have a great evening.