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before being tossed in the water to drown. Soon, Michael's secret lover, pregnant with his child, stepped into the media spotlight, and a horrifying true story of illicit pass and passion, deadly deceit, and cold budded murder unfolded Love Her to Death is the book we were going to be speaking about tonight with my special guest investigated journalist and author M William Phelps. Thank you very much for agreeing to

this program, and welcome to the program. M William Phelps, Hey Dan, how are you.

so spread out, and it's just quintessential Armis country. You know, green landscapes, you know, cows, horses, corn I mean, there are sections of this town. I'm driving through with one of the police officers and I was there during right before they were chopping all the corn, and literally you're driving around in a tunnel of corn. You can't see you can't see the roads anywhere but where you're driving, and it's really eerie a little bit and really strange.

And so I think the point I'm trying to make is for a murder to take place in a town like this, it's not only rare. I mean, I think the only other murder that took place in town that these cops investigated was twenty years before, and they had salvad I think that day or something. So this was very, very strange and very rare for this community.

you know, and he was that banker. And uh, later on in life, when the kids grew up, Jan her sister's brother, the the he sold the bank to a big corporate bank, and so they had some money, sure and Jan, but but Jan didn't grow up in a family that flaunted it or that you know, showed off, you know, the wealth that the family had. She she didn't indulge herself in in you know, all kinds of luxuries. I mean, she had money, so she had things in

life like anybody. And and and she was just when she married Mike Roseborough, who was again another person who came from a well to do family. Michael Roseboro's family had been into mortuary undertaking business burying people for over a century. I mean his great great grandfather's great grand grandfather. And then Michael took over the company and it was

a one man operation. Basically they had some help, but it was you know, I got a hold of the financial records and they were making you know, they were bringing in over a million dollars a year in that little town, burying people, you know, and so you had basically, if I hasten to say it, but like a power couple in this little community, this would be it. I mean,

but by no means that they flaunt it. You know, Mike did later, but not early on in you know, they were they were just two people who fell in love, came from similar backgrounds as far as financial et cetera, and education wise. Both went to college, et cetera. And they fell in love and started having kids and Jan and this is where Jan's true character started to shine. She loved being a mother, She loved taking care of

those kids. She she was her vocation. She was at every swim meet, every little league game, soccer game, and she, you know, she took those kids around. And you know, Mike worked, you know, and there was nothing wrong with that.

to take over the business. And one of the quotes in the book talks about, you know, he was mortified by death. He said, he hated death, but yet it became his life, so he learned to accept it. And he said the best part of my job is sitting with families in their time and need and being compassionate

to them. And I found this to be one of the most bizarre strain, you know, stunning part of this for me that I talked to couple after a couple, person after person who said, Mike came into my home to pick up my father or my son or whomever had died, and he was the most compassionate, caring for He made me feel like I didn't have a worry in the world. He was going to take care of everything. He picked up the body, put it in, you know, in a body bag, took it out, and prepared it,

and he took care of everything. So he did end up embracing his job, you know, and really really understanding what it took to be a good undertaker.

ah An estate. Really, Uh, they just kept adding on and adding on and adding on to this thing until it was like the shape of like an L shaped you know sprawl, you know, and and you know the marriage was you know loving from all indications. I mean, all the relatives people friends that I spoke to, you know, said, you know, Mike and Jan loved each other. I mean they weren't arm in arm and you know, constantly embracing all the time, but you know they did enjoy each

other's company when was a party or something. But then you know, later on, and I start to talk to some of their close friends, later on, it becomes apparent that Mike is sort of a womanizer. He's sort of a player. He's sort of a flirt. He likes to flirt, you know, if there's a barbecue, if there's a party, he always wants to be the bartender. He always wants to be the one who's feeding the ladies the drinks

and laughing with them and joking with them. And this becomes utterly apparent to lots of people that Mike is perhaps you know, stepping out on Jan. And and then he gets into the grits of the rumor gossip mill, in tower and it starts churning and people start to talk. You know, Mike's seeing here, Mike's seeing there, Mike's with this one, Mike's.

the family. Jan was talking about it one day and someone on Mike's side of the family says to her, look, that's the Roseboro male way. You suck it up and you move on. You know, you do your duty as his wife and his mother and the mother of those kids, and you suck it up because that's the Roseboro way. That's what you do. And you know, Jan wasn't that type. You know, she wasn't that type, although she did stay in the marriage. I should say right.

there's this beautiful pool that's lit up at night. And you know, I start to talk to the neighbors around the house and they're telling me, you know, this place was lit up every night and there was a party out there, not necessarily a drinking but a party with the family or someone every single night that summer after that that that that edition was finished, and they would they just really lived out there for that summer of two thousand and eight, the first year that they had

to pool, and uh, you know it brought them together in many ways, you know, the kids, Jan, Mike, and and the one the one thing that everybody said that I talked to which becomes significant later as you know you read the book, is that that backyard was lit up like a football field every single night, you know. And I think what's significant to me is is, uh,

the testimony that I got from the fireman. There's a firehouse like diagonally from their house, maybe two or three hundred yards away from the house, and these firemen would say, every time we went on a call, we would we would take a look over there because we like to look at Jin because she was a looker, and she'd be in her bikini or whatever, and she'd be out by the pool and they would remember this. This was something they remembered because there'd always be lights on outside.

a local town fair. They eye each other. He finds out where she goes for coffee every morning up the street. He starts going there. They bump into each other. They start talking, and one thing leads to another, and next thing, you know, you know, they're sharing what one hundred, one hundred and fifty emails and texts a day, and Michael Roseboro quickly, quickly becomes obsessed with this woman.

one of her girlfriends. And here she is married herself with kids. She knew Michael Roseboro was married. He didn't keep it a secret. They're in this small little town. She was directly across the street from You know, when I say down the street, I'm talking, you walk out the back door of the funeral home and you look to the right and boom, there's her house. In fact, she lived right next door to Michael Roseborough's parents, who

ran the funeral home before him. So this is that small of the town, and these emails become heated immediately, you know, they the sexual energy between these two it just is enormous and it starts building and building and building until you know, he cannot take it anymore. He's got to He's got to get her somewhere alone where he can you know, he can make love to her or have sex with her. And you know, I go

through the email and I go through the relationship. I don't be labored in the book, but I go through it in detail to show the build up, you know, the build up to all of this.

there banging his mistress who lives across the street. And and you know, and this guy presented himself as this classy, classy businessman, you know, so he's living this double life, you know. But then they he Angie. His mistress is in charge of cleaning apartments and preparing apartments for a

family apartment building, you know, almost an hour away. So they start to rendezvew in that empty apartment, the any empty apartment they can find after that, and then you know, they even go to a monastery, parking lot of park I mean, you know, anywhere they can basically inside the car, the suv. It's it becomes an obsession for him. I mean, he just has to have this woman all the time.

start planning in the wedding. He starts picking out gowns, he starts picking out places to They're gonna get married on the beach. All their kids are going to be there. You know. They start talking about all of this, this this life they're going to build together, and and and he never once mentions this one anomaly in all of this. There's one anomaly in all of this, at least for him we're talking about. And that is what. That's his wife, whom at the time he is what. He's going home

telling his wife, I'm taking you to North Carolina. We're going to renew our wedding vows for our twenty fifth wedding anniversary this coming summer. So he's playing both sides of the coin. Now, you know, he's telling Angie, his mistress, he loves he wants to marry. He's telling his wife, I'm taking you and you know twenty of our friends to North Carolina to the outer Banks to renew our vows.

So this is a narcissist. I mean, if you study these things, and I've written twenty books about you know, murders and and this type of murder is the classic textbook case narcissist who believes a no one he's ever gonna catch me. Be I'm smarter than everybody else. And see, I can get out of this anytime I want to. I'm Michael Roseborough.

to me. She had no trouble talking to CBS forty eight hours going on camera and crying, but she would not speak to me. But let me tell you, I spoke to some people and her family, and I spoke to some close people to her, and as you know from that book, I got in deep with her life. And also you know, there was a lot of documents that were never released that I got my hands on. So so she becomes pregnant, and you know, the pressure's on. I mean, the pressure is on. He needs to you know,

everything's coming to a head here. He needs to do something about the wife, you know, or she needs to do something about the wife, one of the two of them, do you know, Because she's prepared. She is prepared to walk into her house at any day and tell her husband, get out divorcing you, of marrying him. She's got no trouble doing that, you see. And Mike, for some reason,

because he's a narcissist, cannot do that, you know. One of the motivations here that they would they talked about during the trial, which I don't necessarily know if I believe it, if I agree with her or not, was the financials. You know, if he divorced jan he'd have to give her half of everything, He'd have to pay her alimony, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, he was with her twenty five years. She deserves, you know, every penny of that. And one of the motivations the DA

you know, and God bless him. I mean, that's his job. Argued was, you know, Mike didn't want to do that, didn't want to share his wealth, and so he you know, he chose you know, murder instead of sharing his wealth. But yeah, I mean it, this is textbook narcissism.

that whole day. Mike and his mistress take off on a rendezvous and they end up in that apartment building most of the afternoon, having sex and having lunch and talking about when they're gonna get married and talking about the beach and white horses and white gowns and how beautiful her hair's gonna look and you know, and they're talking about all of these things, and Jan meanwhile goes into the bank us, makes a few deposits here and there, does a couple of things, runs into a friend in

the bank, talks to the friend. This is all caught on you know, bank surveillance. And then Jan goes home, and then Mike goes home, and the whole family gathers at the pool for a while, and the you know, dinner time comes and they're still all at the pool for a little while, and then things get a little bit rough with with what happens. People start leaving, kids start going to sleep. Mike's son and his friends show up and see Jan and Mike in the pool together.

And then Jan ends up in the bottle in the bottom of the pool a couple hours later, dead. And you know, we have some very significant pieces of evidence that come to light, uh in the coming days after that.

he gets up to go to the bathroom. He sees the lights are all on and he goes out there to shut the lights off, because it's very rare that she would leave the lights on. And he looks in the pool and boom, there she is. So he claims that he jumps in the pool, grabs her, pulls her to the surface. You know, she's in the deep end of the pool. He dives in, swims down, picks up this body, drags her to the side, pulls her out of the pool, and calls nine one one and says,

I think my wife just drowned. He doesn't say, oh my god, oh my god, I found my wife in the bie. I don't know what's wrong. He doesn't say. He says, hello, I think my wife's just drowned. And from there, the nine one one call gets more interesting, uh after every line that he says. And I would encourage your listeners to go online and just google, you know, Michael Roseboro nine one one call and listen to it.

It's online all over the place, and listen to that call in the context of, you know, the story as it unfolds in the book and and and the call is very telling to police when they hear it later. And Mike's demeanor, as you mentioned, he's very stoic, he's very calm, he's very nonchalant. I mean, it's like my wife drowned, you know, can you help me? You know? So red flags start going up all over the place.

initial suspicion. Suspicion, But what happened soon after and what do police conclude as a result of the We'll say the medical examiner's examination of the body tell us what the police soon conclude and where the investigation is headed towards.

or humpinger. There's no response. But so they put her into the ambulance, all right, And Mike doesn't go with her, number one in the ambulance. Number two, he doesn't even get in his own vehicle and drive to the hospital. In fact, no one in the whole entire family ends up at the hospital, but Jan by herself and the cops and some medics. Nobody now on the way the hospital. Medics are working on her in the back of the ambulance and they're pumping her chest and they're giving her CPR.

What happens, what that does is it gets to heart walking again. She may be dead, but the heart's still pumping, right, And what does the heart do It pumps blood. Well, they start pumping her heart and blood starts spurting out. Basically, the back of her head because she has this big mane of blonde hair. You know, no one could see anything before blood starts coming out of the back of her head and she got this huge gash in the

back of her head. Well, now we've got a different scenario. Now, you know, the autopsy comes, they do the autopsy, they peel her scalp back. Okay, they peel it back, just like a rubber mass, and the the detective is right there, and you know, I talked to him about it. He's like, I knew. I knew right there that she had been beaten savagely because you could see these white spots under her scalp, and that's an indication of trauma. And sure enough, I mean they you know, the autopsy proves that she

had been severely beaten, strangled, and she had froth. She had water in her lungs, so that means means that a lot of this happened in the water, and that she drowned to death. Really she would have you know, she was beaten, but she drowned to death. And there's no blood around. There's no blood anywhere anywhere in the house, outside anywhere. And who better a person? And I think I'll end it here. Who better of a person to

clean up blood than what an undertaker. So the cops, the detectives, and the detective that really investigated the case had never investigated the murder in his whole career. They begin asking questions, you know, and Mike just tells this same story over and over again. And remember, they don't know about Angie yet, they don't know about the mistress. He doesn't tell him about the mistress, but that comes out later, and you know, it's interesting how it all unfolds from there.

we'll be changing that. It's it's me, uh, chasing down unsolved serial killer cases with a major a couple of major twists in there that we're keeping close to the vest at this point. But yeah, it's it's you know, with a television show, you don't just get in front of a camera and start talking. There's so much work that goes on pre production and even before the film starts rolling.

great to have you doing something like this. I think is very important. I could really advance the true crime genre to where you know, it's former status, and I think people are going to be looking at true stories much more seriously in the future.

As well. He's the author of Inside Secret Societies, Who's Who in the JFK Assassination and The Complete Idiot's Guide to Nassau, National Security, the CIA, Submarines, and Modern China. His other works include presidential biographies and true crime books

for young readers. The book that be featured next week is Burned Farm by Michael Benson, and in this tale, Sheila Lebarre liked to troll the personal ads and homeless shelters looking for men whom society had rejected for one reason or another, men she could easily dominate, both verbally and sexually. One by one, she invited them to her remote New Hampshire farmhouse, where she engaged them in s and m but over time sex gave way to brutal acts of torture as she mercilesslly flogged and beat her

captives until they confessed to committing unspeakable acts. Once satisfied that they had paid for their sins, Sheila savagely slaughtered them and burned their remains on her farm. From the disturbing audiotapes Sheila made of her victim's confessions to her own bizarre statements in which she claimed to a return from the dead to be God's avenger. The burn Farm takes you behind the scenes of the scandal that rocked a quiet New England town and into the twisted, depraved

mind of a manipulative, cold blooded murderer. That's Burn Farm with Michael Benson next week. I'm really looking forward to that. It is one heck of a story Burn Farm. After that, we have a number of guests that haven't been on

the program as of yet. In the near future, we will be having an author named Ronald J. Watkins with his book Against Her Will, And this is talking about Richard and Victoria Tinges feared the worst when their thirteen year old daughter, Kelly Ann, vanished from their quiet suburban community of Valley Stream, New York on March third, nineteen eighty nine. The nightmare to come was worse than they

could ever imagine. Only five doors away, in the home of John and Elizabeth Golub, police found Kelly Ann's body stuffed in a plastic garbage bag. She'd been brutally beaten, stabbed, strangled, and mutilated. After weeks of intense investigation, police arrested the Golob's twenty one year old son, Robert, a reclusive young man obsessed with body building and given to fits of rage. The sensational trial and subsequent conviction of Robert Golub shocked

the nation and tore the once peaceful community apart. Neighbors took sides, so did the media, and no one who lived on Horton Road would ever be the same. This is acclaimed journalist Roger J. Watkins. He takes you into the dark heart of an idyllic American suburb where the savage murder of a young girl shattered the innocence of

a town forever. And he's another Pinnacle author. After that, we have a person named Wensley Clarkson, and this person also goes by the pen name John Bellini spelled Joen John Bellini, and this book is called Child's Prey. The Rampage that shocked the Nation. One raging teen killer, ten innocent victims. On eight am on Wednesday, October first, nineteen ninety seven, nerdy, overweight, outcast Luke Woodham, sixteen entered his Pearl,

Mississippi High School to settle some scores. Armed with a thirty thirty hunting rifle, he opened fire and then calmly walked out of the school door, leaving teenage girls dead and another seven students seriously wounded. Police soon discovered that Woodham's eleven minute rampage had actually begun hours before at home, where they found his mother, Mary Anne, brutally beaten with

a baseball bat and then stabbed to death. Luke Woldham Woodham may have been the assassin behind his horrifying act, laid the shadowy hand of a twisted mastermind. Grant boy at eighteen, Bible student turned hitler, lover and devil worshiper, was a diabolical pied piper who used a fantasy role playing game to program six high school students with hate, satanism, and animal torture. Those were the chilling words of Luke Woodham. Murder is gutsy and daring. Now he is serving three

consecutive life sentences. The horror he unleashed serves as a disturbing reminder of today's shocking epidemic of high school shootings and that the one place America's kids are supposed to be safe has become the most dangerous place of all. That's child's prey. With John Bellini. At the end of this month, one raging team killer, ten innocent victims, the rampage that shocked the nation. After that, we are going to have a book. Who discussed a book called King

of the Godfathers by Anthony M. D'estefano. This was previously published as the Last Godfather. This is another Pinnacle title, The Deadliest Mafia don of them All, King of the Godfathers, Big Joey Massino and the Fall of the Banano crime Family. So it's something I normally don't do, but I'm going to be doing a lot more of I have written.

Pardon me. I've read a lot of true crime books involving organized crime, and I want to get some of these storytellers on the program because some of these books are just fascinating when you get the real story, not so much the Hollywood story of how these people really lived, and the true and horrific stories behind some of these not so much serial killers, but definitely mass murderers. So that's going to be Anthony M. D'estefano and the King

of the Godfathers. For more than twenty years, Joseph Big Joe Massino ran what was called the largest criminal network in the US, employing over two hundred and fifty made men and untold numbers of associates. The Bonano family was responsible for over thirty murders, even killing a dozen of its own members to enforce discipline and settle scores. He would be brought down by Salvatory Good look in sal Vitally, the underboss, who was not only Messino's closest and most

trusted friend, but also his brother in law. In the end, facing the death penalty in the prospect of leaving his family penniless, Massino started talking to the FBI, the first mafia godfather to break the sacred code of omerata omar omerta, pardon me, and the end of a century's old tradition. This book is written by Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Anthony M. De Stefano, who interviewed Massino's family and friends, as well

as law former law enforcement officials, and confidential sources. King of the Godfathers is the story of the brutal mob war that made Messino head of the Bonano family and the most powerful gangster in America. Another author that we'll be dealing with in the near future, I'm hoping, is Aphrodite Jones, a New York Times bestselling author very familiar to most people reading True Crown and are familiar with

Aphrodite Jones. This is a book called Cruel Sacrifice from a few years ago, Teen Girls, Mean Girls, Killer Girls, Cruel Sacrifice by Aphrodite Aphrodite Jones. We've had a guest named Burl Bear on and he ended up being one of the Encore programs because it's because he's such a great interview. Burl Bear with his Edgar Award winner. He's an Edgar Award winner, and his book that we would

be discussing in the near future is Fatal Beauty. She was a rodeo star, a seductress, and a killer, and that Fatal Beauty by Edgar Award winner Burl Bear should have him on in the next oh six weeks eight weeks or so after that, I got a particularly interesting book from Pinnacle as well. It's called The Measure of Madness Inside the Disturbed and Disturbing Criminal Mind by Cheryl Parody and it's got a forward by the very famous Catherine Ramsland. So this is the Measure of Madness Inside

the Disturbed and Disturbing Criminal Mind. A forensic psychologist reveals the dark and troubling human mind the measure of Madness. So I'm having a little bit of a hard time getting hold of her, just because the website does not lead me to be able to leave a message for her, but by hooker by Crook, I'll be able to get a hold of her through Pinnacle and we'll have an

interview with Cheryl Parody very soon after that. We have another author named Ron Francell that a lot of people might be familiar with, and his latest book Delivered from Evil. And Delivered from Evil is accounts from survivors of mass murder who have lived to tell the story. So it's written from a little different perspective and be very interesting to talk to Ron Francell. He is the author of quite a few true crime books. One of the most

popular is called The Darkest Night by Ron Francell. So tune in in April. I think it's April thirteenth for Ron Francell. As we discussed his book, Delivered from Evil sounds very interesting.

has ever known. I think it deserves to have Kevin come back on and talk about the Bundy murders again, because it's a fascinating book and Bundy is a fascinating case for all those people that think they know about Ted Bundy. There have been a few books, of course, the classic Stranger Beside Me by Anne Rule, written by the person that worked and was friends with Ted Bundy, so it's an incredible, incredible story that she was that close to one of the worst killers on the face

of the earth. Kevin Sullivan has a different approach and has uncovered some information that wasn't found maybe thirty years ago, and has done some more investigative work and obviously presents a different perspective to the Bundy story. But of course the crimes that Bundy committed are obviously included and spoken about in his book as well. But Ted Bundy deserves as many programs as anybody would want to talk about because he's such a fascinating an example of the criminal mind.

For those that have been looking at the show page and wondering where and where is the Terry Sullivan interview that John Wayne Gacy story the Killer Clown. I apologize for even if I'm misleading people about having Terry Sullivan on. It's just that the interview was scheduled, then postponed, then rescheduled, and it's just Terry has a very busy law practice, and he's a practicing lawyer and owns his business and so his time is very precious and had to a

couple times reschedule or cancel at the last minute. But I promise you and I assure you that Terry is very interested in coming on the program and discussing Killer Clown. The book. I think that is just a true crime classic and that everyone should go out and read this book. Killer Clown is just an incredible book, one of my, if not my favorite true crime book of all time. Killer Clown John Wayne Gacy, by the prosecutor and the

author of the definitive story about John Wayne Gacy, Killer Clown. So, anyway, we will have Terry Sullivan, the prosecutor of John Wayne Gacy, on the program and some point in the near future, I promise you, and it'll be one heck of a program. And do not miss it, absolutely not. Well, we have about ten minutes left. I'm going to also say that

I want to thank everyone that's listening to me. Sometimes stumble through some things and some rough beginnings, but I want to thank the people that routinely and regularly and even people have just come on to listening to the show in the last little while. I want to thank you all for listening because the program now has turned into a bona fide hit, with about thirty five thousand people listening and downloading programs each and every month since

around October. We had about twenty five thousand in October, so now we're up about thirty five thousand and always per month, growing with a few new people, more people becoming following the program, and more people contacting me and commenting on the programs themselves. Feel free to contact me too about any books that you have read and you found fascinating that I might not know about. I certainly try to keep up, but there are so many great

stories by great authors that I haven't heard about. Keep in mind, though, I mean, I would want to know about any story that you thought was really, really good and warranted being on the program, But lots of the authors would like to come on and talk about their latest release. So especially if you read something that's fairly new and you really are moved by that book, please contact me. I will take the word and a good explanation on why this program should I should discuss this

book on my program. I will do the necessary research to see if it fits, in which any really good book about murder will certainly qualify for this program. So please give me your ideas and suggestions and I'll be more than happy to check those out and see what we can do and getting some of those authors that you find really fascinating to come on the program and

talk about their works. So I appreciate again everybody's participation in making this show a hit, and that is why we're getting the caliber of why this program is getting the caliber of authors that we are getting. Ron Francel, we just had listened to m William Phelps and as you noticed, he didn't realize he said that the program was an hour He's going to come on again and talk about his program is a television program where my prediction,

I think has come true. I've been talking for a couple of years that the only thing left in television is the true story. And there's so many fascinating authors with so many incredible stories that the amount of plots and stories that they could do in well done true

crime formatted show. If people are interested in fiction, and all the fiction really comes from nonfiction from some of these stories, I think that the next thing that viewers will be really interested in is true crime stories brought to television and brought to film. So I really applaud m William Phelps Matthew for his work because he's really a successful true crime author. He's a great writer. I think with his book he's pushing the boundaries of having

a running commentary throughout the book is unusual. I think it's good to break whatever rules you feel are necessary to break in this genre, just making sure that you're bringing to the public interesting stories and well written and

that's what we get. A lot of our true crime fans are constantly looking for the next fascinating story, and by virtue of these remorseless psychopathic killers and the crazy stories and circumstances that we live in, we're getting these fascinating stories month after month and year after year, and there are many many people lining up good writers to write these stories, to chronicle of these tales, and to have these stories told and known throughout the world as

they surely should be. So again I want to thank you very much for listening to the program, and I want you to tune in next week for Michael Benson with his book Burn Farm. And after that we will have Ronald Jay Watkins Against Her Will, and we will have The King of the Godfathers by Anthony M. DeStefano, and we will have ron francel with Delivered from Evil. And so in the next six weeks, please tune in and listen to the programs, and any comments and any

suggestions are absolutely well received and welcome. So I want to bid everybody a good evening and thank you very much for listening, and join me next week for True Murder, the most shocking killers in true crime history and the authors that have written about them. Have a good evening, Good night,