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Good Evening. Melinda Kola is very familiar with his Secret Santa and the many links that tie him to John Beney Ramsey. Each link is carefully explained within this book to lead from one connection to the next between John Beney and the Secret Santa. Follow the pieces of the puzzle to find out but who this secret Centa is and how this chameleon was able to evade the authorities. Included within as a pair of government generated documents for
the same man under different aliases assume names. This alone should raise a red flag for authorities. The same individual also use a term of endearment common to the Ramsey family for John Benay in front of his peers and classmates at a karate school, when asked if he was related to that girl found in a basement, he responded with, I don't know, No Johnny B. No one knew this term of endearment until it was used in the book The Death of Innocence by John Ramsey. Planned murder indicates
that the killer knew the victim's schedule. Overkill is usually a message intended for someone else other than the victim. Who was the overkill message intended for and why. DNA feenotyping can be used to help generate an image of the killer's face, which may match up with some of the images found within this book, raising some serious questions. The true name of the Secret Santa is listed on
Detective Lou Smith's suspect list. There is a list of people to contact at the end of the book should you see this Secret Santa reports whereabouts to the proper authorities. Corruption and lack of cooperation on the part of the authorities have held back much of this information for far too long. That is why she has compiled the list of links to send out to the public so that they may decide for themselves. If the information found within
warrant's interest and possibly and arrest. Perhaps together we can finally bring an end to this case and justice for John Benay Ramsey. The book that We're featuring this evening is Secret Santa, My Murderer, The True John Benay completed puzzle with my special guest, activists and author Melinda Coola. Welcome to the program, and thank you for this interview. Melinda Coola.
Thank you Mistress Fansky for giving an ear and an audience to John Benay as well as other homicide victims. It's our job to tell the truth. I can tell you this is the line a leone than terrible tragedies. There's posters everywhere see it, say it. If you see something that's wrong, you suspect something, you're supposed to report it. If not, then you become culpable in the outcome of tragedies. I'm trying not to become culpable in the outcome of the tragedy of this child.
Let's go to nineteen ninety six. Take us back for people to understand what John Benay had told four persons. Tell us what John Benay had said regarding Secret Santa. Tell us about these conversations before we talk about who you found out to be the Secret Santa.
Children are never heard. Everyone wants them to go away. But John Beney quote a friend of hers and that information was just made available very recently. This friend announced that John Beney, when they were young, told her she was very excited Santa's coming again after Christmas. But the child said, well, Santo was here. You know, Santa's coming again after Christmas with a present, but it's a secret.
It's a secret visit. This child just now recently, within the last couple of weeks, came forward with that information because now she's twenty six years older and she realized the importance of what John Beney told her dear friend when they were both six years old.
You cite three other people that were also told about the secret Santa. What kinds of things specifically did John Benet say, and to who.
The Santa at fleet White's party? That Santa was accustomed to being there for the fleet White family, so everyone was familiar with that Santa. That was the second Santa for John Beney, John Benet's family's Santa mc reynold's was Stanta number one. So as this party is winding down at fleet White's house and Priscilla's John Beney is thinking Santa and Santa is hoping she enjoyed all her presence.
John Benay told that Santa Danta number two, she's expecting another Santa after Christmas, but it was a secret Santa, and he's going to bring her yet another present, Stanta number two. I'm not sure if he became a little annoyed that she might be greedy or didn't understand she was speaking of her truth. Santa's coming again after Christmas, because that Danta told her he has already been here at your home and here I am. So he wondered why she was expecting another Santa in the evening when
everyone was leaving. I believe that John Beney told Priscilla White, Danta is coming again after Christmas when Papa John Ramsey tucked his child in bed. Somewhere along the line over these past twenty six years, someone pointed out that she also told her father while he's tucking her in and she wakes up just a moment or two, and she's excited because even though she's sleepy and it's been a long day, Danta is coming again after Christmas. The child
who's now twenty six years older, that is recent. That is a young lady who knows what she heard from this precious six year old friend of hers, the other Santa. I don't know that he's still alive from the Fleet White party. And for Priscilla, she may remember that, but certainly I would think a father would remember the words that his daughter has to say about a secret Santa after Christmas.
You're right about the groundskeeper and what John Benay had said to the groundskeeper regarding Secret Senna.
Yes, her conversation with the groundskeeper stemmed from her coming to him and she was crying, and this I had read somewhere. She approached him, she was crying. He wants to know why she was crying. After all, it's Christmas, you've opened your presence, you've visited with stands, you have a brand new bike. Why would you be crying on Christmas? Probably he's thinking, as a young man himself, did someone
hurt her? Did she fall? What's wrong? And she said to him, I wish my father was around more often. So at that moment I'm feeling is that if she's not seeing her father as the bad guy, I wish my father was around more often. And why does love hurt? Why does love hurt? That was the second comment. Why would a six year old even make such a statement is it because the secret Santa who visited every Christmas Eve hurt her while he's in costume. Is that a possibility the answers Yes.
Let's get back to what the neighborhoard later after this, and again we're not going to go into what happened on that morning, the police arrival and the mishandling of this case, the gross mishandling of this case right from the very beginning of the investigation. But let's talk about what police do find in terms of a neighbor that comes forth and has something to say that they witnessed in terms of a scream, and also an eyewitness report
that they gave to police. Tell us what they said to police in terms of this description and what they heard and when.
That is such an important point, because the neighbor across the street heard after midnight or at midnight, a scream of a child, the most heart wrenched scream she had ever heard in her entire life. This scream came definitely, in her opinion, from across the street from the Ramsay's home. That tells us that at midnight, John Bane still alive, because she's the one that's screamed. Now, later that same witness who's hearing the scream and is wondering what's going
on across the street. That same witness saw at five pm. Okay, now we're into the next day, the day after Christmas, where John and Patsy are leaving their home at five to go to the Fleet White party, but the neighbors saying goodbye. She has their dog. She sees a man coming from the left walking straight to John's house. There is a good chance that the person walking straight to John's house and cutting as you're looking at the front of the house over to the left corner watched John
and Patsy pull away. Because of the timing, So this curious woman saw the image of the man, knows that he was maybe five six, maybe one hundred and thirty pounds. What jacket he was wearing that he with intention walked toward the house and off to the left corner. That would be by the way, the same corner where if you lift up the grate and slide into the room.
It would be that corner. Later, when the police were there to find out about the kidnapping, which as you know, turned into a murder, he is there at running away from the house. That same man is running away from the house from the back and then back to the direction he came from. And this woman is watching him run away from the house while the authorities are in the house, probably looking for him. Now they realize this
is not a kidnapping, this is a murder. So she had turned around and stopped one of the local officers in front of her home, like in between the two streets, and she said, there is a man running away from the house. This is what he looks like. But he is the same man that at five o'clock in the evening approached the house and that front left corner. So
it's the same man at five who is running away. Now, maybe someone could go catch up with him and find out who he is and why is he here and why is he running away from the house When the house is loaded with police officers, she said, no one paid attention to her, No one pursued that individual. Incredible.
Let's talk about the most important thing that you bring to this story, obviously, is your interaction with this person you believe is the primary suspect, Bill Ramsey. First off, tell us who Bill Ramsey is, just officially, and then let's take our audience back to the karate school, and in July nineteen ninety six you write that your husband is involved in this karate school as an adult student and your son is involved as a child student at
this AKC karate school. Tell us what this karate school is, who the instructor is, tell us a little bit about your son being there. Tell us give us a background about this karate school and why you're all there, and then what happens one day? Who do you meet.
There's two karate schools, and we should always call them. Karate school number one, the original school that Bill Ramsey and his two friends participated in in Mannahawk and New Jersey. That's karate school number one. Let's call it the negative school. Karate school number two, the one my husband and son attended. Franklin was five and a half years old. He's in the child's class. Tom's in the adult class with other adult males and females. That's karate school number two. Parkinson
Bay Karate School. The owner is Brian Parkinson. That was in Weartown, New Jersey, which is now the Waretown Post Office. This is where I met a man and his name was Bill Ramsey. Bill Ramsey and his two friends came together at the Parkinson Bay Karate School. Bill Ramsey's presence was very strongly felt because of his attention to the children and then his aggressive nature with the adult males,
especially after he returned from John Benet's murder situation. Bill Ramsey is five feet six, he's one hundred and thirty pounds silk and wet. To describe him as very easy. Think of Charles Manson. This man standing right next to Charles Manson, and you probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart in height and build and weight, in the way they look in appearance. No disrespect to either one of them, but you're looking at someone very very similar
to Charles Manson. Bill Ramsey's sitting on the bleachers. High on the bleachers, there's one bleacher. It kind of helps the karate instructor to keep the adults away from the children during the children's class. Bill was angry, and this is where he really got my attention. Bill was very, very angry because on the wall where Bill always sat high on the bleacher to his right was a wooden karate training sword. It was a very ornate piece of carving.
It can be used as a sword. It can inflict danger, but it was intended as a unique gift, one of a kind for the owner of the school, given to mister Parkinson. Since the Parkinson by an appreciating customer client, it always hung on that wall. Bill Ramsey is all about wood and that's something we should all remember. My son, because he did very well in obtaining his white belt.
Not remember he's a very active little boy five and a half years old, asked the karate instructor, since he won his white belt, would he please run up the bleacher grab the sword. He'll be very very careful, but he just wanted to stay it and handle it. Mister Parkinson gave him permission. Franklin ran off the bleachers behind Bill Ramsey, grabbed the sword off the wall, jumped down from the bleachers. It was only about five six steps.
As he's playing something that would be like Zoral Power Rangers. He's just swinging the sword around, pretending to be able to train himself how to use it better. Not anyone in sight of him. No one was in danger. The karate instructor was keeping an eye on that. All of a sudden, Bill Ramsey jumps off the bleacher, went after Franklin ripped the sword from Franklin's hands and thrusted it
forward Franklin's abdomen. Franklin, because he had just finished workout, Franklin intuitively jumped back away from the point of the sword. It's the wooden sword, and that instant I raised from the front of the school to Franklin, pushed them behind, grabbed the sword off. Bill Ramsey returned it to where it's supposed to be on the wall till the instructor get this man away from the children. He's a danger to the children. None of the children are his. Why
is he here? And if he's here the next time, all parents will pull their children because I will pull mine. And the problem was resolved. We thought, that's Bill Ramsey tell.
Us a little bit more about this unique hand carved, hand painted miniature karate sword.
This sword, I had it in my own hands. It's only about twenty to twenty two inches in length. In that area the sword had scrolled where you would put your hand the hand grip. It had scrolled in gold the word Korea. Not made in Japan, made in China, made in Korea. No, no, no, only just one word scrolled in gold paint. Indicative of it being a one of a kind and created for this instructor. The word Korea down the shaft of it on all sides was what one would think, is this black laquer swiggles like
little snakes. It wasn't. It was Korean lettering. The Korean lettering meant pride, integrity, that sort of thing. It also had splashes of other colors of paint. And it was sealed with a glistening laquer. That's very very important. It was sealed. This whole piece of wood artwork was sealed
with a glistening laquer. The reason why that's important is in the autopsy report, the coroner is very specific as to the explanation and detailing of the wooden stick, which everyone is calling a paint brush handle, whether it is
or it isn't. I only know this when he said the word Korea scrolled in gold paint, and then there were black swiggles of lacquer paint running up and down it, and a splash of multiple color paints, and it was sealed with a glistening He basically described the sword I just described to you, sir, So not only that, but mister Stepansky, this is a man who loves wood can turn wood into anything he absolutely wants to. So was that stick that completed the garag? Was it from the
paint brush tray? A handle? A paintbrush handle. I can tell you one thing I know about paintbrush handles. They are never how much you spend on them, how little you spend on them, it's irrelevant. They're never sealed with a glistening lacker. They're never. They don't have Korean words going up and down them. They don't have scrolled and go only one word Korea. They have yes, made in Japan, made in China. Yes they have that, but not what
was described as this miniature would karate training sort. So, sooner or later we are going to connect what exactly was used to make the garage.
Let's talk about his behavior. You mentioned that his behavior in the class was a concerned to all the parents, and so they went to the instructor and tried to come up with some solutions. So the adults were not unless they were a guardian or parent of the child, they were not allowed to be at these classes. And the adults were only permitted to be at these classes five minutes arrived only five minutes before their classes, so there was a separation between the children and having someone
not connected to the children. Say, for example, observing in this interim from July to December, your husband was in these adult classes, and other people communicated with this person that was in these classes as fellow karate devote. What are the things that were said just before Christmas of nineteen ninety six.
Mister Sepansky, you just hit on the most important part of all of this. Bill came in and is rare that Bill Ramsey is in good spirits. Only one day that I know of, he announced to the karate instructor that he and his two friends are seasonal workers in construction. They didn't have the mighty paid the tuition for the last couple of months. The crowding instructor said, that's okay. When you get back to work, then you can just
catch up. I know you're not going anywhere. He said, oh no, no, I expect to collect one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars as an inheritance, and when I returned from Boulder, Colorado, I will not only pay my delinquent tuition, but that of my two friends Ed and Terry. And he said, well, that's okay, no pressure, but did somebody die? You used the word inheritance. Did someone die? He said, oh? No, said I visit my father every Christmas Eve for a
large sum of money. It sustains me for a year, and then I go back to the next stasy for that year's inheritance. Nobody died, and the crowding instructor, mister Brian Parkinson, said, oh, okay, I just I was concerned because you use that one word inheritance. He said, no, no, no. The other thing that took place was when anyone the men or the children would earn a belt rightfully, so everybody else would
hear them on. Another adult male right another adult male said to him, you know, don't you have any family to be here for you and cheer you on and encourage you. Beside your two friends at in Terry. Don't you have anybody? He said, no, I'm the black sheep of a wealthy family. They live out in Boulder, Colorado. I see them once a year. They can't be bothered with me other than give me money to stay away
from them. And he was very angry, and he said, I hate children, I hate children, I hate my siblings, I hate women and he just kind of used that moment to vent his anger toward a specific group, his siblings, because they were doted over his words, not mine, they were doted over, and all he gets his money once a year to get out of town and stay away
for another year. Those were his words to different people in the karate class who happened to be standing around in a group encouraging one another to succeed in getting
their next belt. So enough men in that karate class heard that, but more telling beside one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars before he ever left Ocean County, New Jersey, in this case where town, New Jersey, before he ever left, and expressing his hatred for his siblings because they're doated over and women in general, and that he traveled to
Boulder to receive money once every Christmas. Considering all of that, Considering all of that, when this man came back from Boulder, Colorado, after the murder of this child, he had not received one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, and he was filled with rage and anger, and he only took it out on one person, my husband.
Let's go back to something that happened before his planned Christmas visit. I think it's very important if this was witnessed and you write that it was. What was the footwear the new footwear that Bill Ramsey came to the karate class wearing.
Oh my god, you're brilliant he prior to the trip, because he sat high in the bleachers and he always wore what I would call clothes of a paulper if I may say so, and no disrespect please, But all of a sudden he's sitting on the bleachers and since he says, hi, you cannot miss the red logo. It's a type of a feather ring, bright red Indian feathering,
if you will. That's why I would explain it as and the words high tech HI, dash, capital T, capital E, capital C. Because these very shiny footwear is new to his wardrobe. The men, especially the karate instructor, mister Brian Parkinson, encouraged him and commented in a very positive way, hoping that he would do the same with the rest of
his wardrobe, like not look so Charles Manson like. So they commented and he said, well, it's cold where I'm going and I needed this footwear and so now it'll be easier for him to visit his father for the collection of his money. But please remember something which I just found out recently, which is why I'm bringing it up right now. There is police issue items that were in the crime scene that to this day nobody can explain. The high tech brant one footprint one in the dust
next to John Benay where she was found. That's a police issued footwear. I didn't know that. I do know that now. Also the mag flashlight, the mag flashlight that was found and nobody has identified it as being there or somebody brought it in and just forgot about it. No, no, no, that is also police issued. The mag flashlight is police issued. Officers can use that to protect themselves that they're in a tough spot when they don't want to use their
pistols and anything else for that matter. Mister Bill Ramsey, he attended the first karate school, and this is very important. The first karate school was AKC Karate School operated by Scott Razer his true name aka Tom Yobaggi, his fraudulent name, so he operated the school under a fraudulent name. The reason he did that is he was a career pedophile. He'd been arrested in multiple states. Bill Ramsey and he
formed an unusual unhealthy friendship. Bill Ramsey built the loft over the karate school where the children in that class were being molested. Scott Raiser aka Tom Yoboggi went to prison for fifty three counts of child molestation and other crimes against children, pleaded down to nine. That school taught the local police officers only police officers self defense tactical training, and on the brochure it said against foreign factions. The
ransom note has the words foreign faction pox five. Google those words and they said those two words together appears nowhere, nowhere on any search engine, but they did in the brochure from AKC Karate School for police training only. I couldn't get in that class. You couldn't get in that class, sir. But Bill Ramsey did because he had friendship with the
local police. When that karate school, mister Scott Razor aka tomil Bangi went to prison for his criminal activity against his student children, then the local police had to shut down that school. They contacted Bill Ramsey and his friends and said, we have no need for the stunt guns that are here and wooden sword or whatever else is here. The uniforms if you want them, come take whatever you want.
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Wow? Okay, here we go, mister Savansky. Bill Ramsey left to go to Boulder, Colorado. He was happy. He expected to collect and it was a specific amount that he mentioned before he ever left, one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. It is that very amount that the authorities probably need to look at. Why did he know that amount, which is also in the ransom note? So he returned without the funds. He attacked my husband multiple times. My husband put a stop to it. My husband warned him the
first time, it's just sparring. It's warming up. But he attacked my husband aggressively. The first time, my husband backed them off. He attacked my husband the second time. My husband back to them off is out. Listen. I don't know what happened during your holiday, but you're not taking it out on me now. Just bathe yourself and stop. But we're only spiring enough. If you want another partner, fine, And he went after my husband a third time. My husband is a gentle giant, a sweet little polock who
was six feet four and three hundred pounds. He means to hurt no one. He was in class to help him with his weight control. But my husband had already been struck twice by Bill Ramsey. So my husband did a palm strike, sent Bill Ramsey across the room. Bill Ramsey bounced off the wall, picked himself up. Now the other adult are looking at this man who's very embarrassed. Bill Ramsey's embarrassed because everybody saw this. Bill Ramsey. He's
angry because he's now hurt. I am sure my husband hit him hard for him to roll across the school. Bill Ramsey is looking to the right, Looking to the left, Bill Ramsey's heading out the door, turns around before he opened the door, before he left, and he said, yelling, everybody, from now on, do not call me Bill Ramsey. My name is Larry Rohan. Got it, Larry Rohn. Don't call me Bill Ramsey anymore. I will not answer you. And out the door he storms. There is another meeting, there
is another gathering the next class. Bill comes in. He's quiet, he's not saying nothing to anyone. Now that's his normal behavior. This body language is like, don't come near me, that sort of thing. Well, one of the other adults, not my husband, whose mother and father are FBI agents, and that's important. So this is the very smart man who I later found out is affiliated with the Ocean County
Prosecutor's office right here in New Jersey. He didn't like the name change, so he was poking the bear and Bill came in. He said to Bill, Hey, billy boy, Hey, billy boy, do you know that little girl that was founded in her basement? Are you related to that little girl? He didn't say John Binay, John Benny Ramsey. He didn't even say Boulder, Colorado. Just simply, are you related to a little girl that was found that in her basement? Hey, Billy. Well,
let me tell you what happened. Billy is now shuffling to the right, shuffling to the left, looking all over, trying to figure out. I'm guessing what he's going to
do at that moment. And Billy, who always likes to exit when he's stuck in a herd spot, turns around and bellows out, I don't know, no Johnny B. Nobody knows Johnny B. And then he stormed out, and I was there and everyone else heard it, and we're all wondering, Who's Johnny B. Isn't her name john Ben A Ramsey, doom Bin A Ramsey, but not Johnny B. And I never forgot that. That stuck in my memory.
When did you read and get confirmation of that, Johnny B. When did the light bulb go off to the importance of what he had said at that time, Johnny B. When did you come to the understanding what that meant?
Mister Sepanski. That was not until many years later when John and Patsy wrote the book Death of Innocence. It is in that book that is a term of endearment that within their home, John and Patsy both addressed their precious little girl as Johnny B. A derivative of John Bennett, her father reduced to Johnny B. A pet name, if you will. That was many, many years later. So how come Bill Ramsey in the earliest of stages of the
murder investigation, We're talking less than a month. How is it that he knew that that child was addressed by her mom and dad as Johnny B. When nobody knew until the book Death of Innocence by John and Patsy many years later, we didn't know. But how did he know?
How does this fit into your idea that the parents were indicted in nineteen ninety nine, I believe, and you say that basically there was seven charges, but two of the charges from the Boulder Daily Reporter, you say, named Charles, that the indictments didn't lead to an arrect but they could have, but it was never presented. The charges were
never presented, So you say, were the charges were? That they allowed the child to be in the vicinity of someone they knew that was dangerous that likely resulted or did result in the murder of John Bennet. Now, now given that information, how does this secret Senna play into your entire idea of what happened and why that night.
Okay, this is a good time to tell the world that the book Secret Santa My Murderer was given to John Benne's Secret Santa My Murderer. All the backup information, absolutely every little chrome I could gather that was given to by special delivery to the Governor, mister Bill Owens. Governor Owens, very good man, honorable man. It was also given to just just before the Grand Jury announce their
decision to Alex Hunter. They both within less than a week of the grand jury announcement, received information every chrome I had on Bill Ramsey's multiple aliases, two of which our government generated documents, and I was hoping that they would at least use that information to solicit cooperation from John and Patsy, And in fact Bill tried to Governor Owens did try to terry I. The Attorney General also has the same information. So it's not like I'm giving
it to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No, I'm giving the information to the authorities in hopes that they will pursue it. So then here is Alex Hunter, only a few days fresh with having this information. He's receiving the decision by the courts that the grand jury wants to indict John and Patsy for allowing their child to be in the vicinity of someone who they knew in advance was very dangerous, resulting in the death of their child. Now, who are they talking about in the home Patsy John Burke?
So were they talking about nine year old little boy? I don't think so. Were they talking about the mother or the father? I believe the grand jury somehow, some way, Remember I wasn't there, but I believe, somehow, some way, someone introduced the information about Bill Ramsey to the grand jury, because nothing else makes sense. What Alex Hunter did is when Alex Hunter receives this information written that they want to indict, That's when Alex Hunter said, there's not enough
information here to indict. Was he talking about the decision the grand jury made in reference to John, Patsy or Burke. No, No, he wasn't. He was talking about the information he received about Bill Ramsey. That's what he was talking about. And when he said we don't have enough information here to indict, he was talking about John Patsy for their knowledge about Bill Ramsey. That's the whole of it. And most people, if they don't have what you have, sir, They don't understand,
and that's that's not their fault. Again, the original police who came to the home, if they did not know. Somebody comes there every Christmas Eve to collect a large sum of money and his name is Bill Ramsey aka William Lawrence Rowan and all the rest of it. Is it the police fault? Or maybe is it the parents holding back information which does not give the authorities the full picture. That's my argument, that has always been my argument.
Just collect Bill Ramsey's DNA. He's in North Carolina. He's using yet another alia. And if you don't want to listen to me for any reason whatsoever, look at the government generated documents that are in John Binney's secret stands on my murderer. I did not make those up. He did. So why does this innocent man, if he thinks he's innocent and everybody else thinks he's innocent and irrelevant to the John Binney murder, why does he keep changing his
name his appearance? When he returned from Boulder, he immediately changed his name yet again. Larry Rone is his new name. I have in the book his business card. He is a carver of wood. So I'm giving everybody proof of his different identifications. I gave them his government generated police mugshop in Ocean County, New Jersey for assault and battery. That's under his first name, his true name, Bill Ramsey. Then you have the business card that he created when
he returned. Then you have a recent from I believe twenty nineteen, his North Carolina CDL license under William Lawrence Rohane. And now recently, within the last six months, he's using a different name altogether by just simply adding a different alphabet, Billy roha Inn. So if he's not guilty of something,
why does he keep changing his name? If he's not guilty of something, why did when he return from Boulder did he immediately change the color of his originally blackboard Ranger pickup truck to the new color of blood red is a license plate number with JJW two six das in diamond. I'll tell you why. Because it wasn't in a car accident. He was afraid someone saw that blackboard Ranger pickup truck in the vicinity of John Binney's home park,
somewhere where it didn't belong. They may not remember the truck, but by gosh, I believe they will remember it had New Jersey license plate. So when the law enforcement rightfully say someone brought up a blackboard Ranger pickup truck, new Jersey license plate, operative color black. But you come to New Jersey and the authorities are looking for a blackboard
Ranger pickup truck, they're not going to find it. Why because his new red he jumped from one residence to another, staying at each individual's home only for a week or two, and then he'd goes someplace else to live, avoiding a paper trail or a place where he could be picked up.
All of his changes, including shaving off his beard and his mustache, so now he has a clean shaven face and pulling his hair back so tight that from let's just say two or three blocks away from him, you would think he was bald because he kept that ponytail so tight in changing yet his appearance. In another way, someone who's innocent, someone's not trying to hide from the authorities does not do all of these things. And more importantly,
prior to this is important. Prior to ever leaving to go to Boulder to collect his one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, the Karate School, Parkinson Bay Karate School was
broken into. Only two things were stolen, the wood carving on the wall that Bill Ramsey coveted, and only his application to the karate school, because the karate instructor found the drawer was open and and the file folder was cocked sideways, so he thumbed through it quickly to see what was missing Bill Ramsey, and only Bill Ramsey's application before he ever left New Jersey. Do you know what
that tells me? That tells me he had planned b if he didn't collect this one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, and he did not want anything that would be able to be compared to the ransom note, so he removed his application which had his handwriting sample on it. But Bill Ramsey does wood carvings, and I did send you a picture of one of his wood carvings of a Native American Indian man.
Yes, okay.
On the back of that wood carving, mister Panskey, if you look, it's a very short w and it hangs high, it ends high, swing high, ill, and it ends with the hangman's news. That's what you're saying, mister Pansky. Any artists work their assault, whether they're painting, or they're making play pottery or what have you. They signed their full name Bill Ramsey. Can't sign Bill Ramsey. He can't sign and will not sign a fake name Larry Rohan or
Rohan he will not. So what he stuck with is what he will signl as in William ending with a hangman's noose. He bragged about to him how important that hangman's noise is. And John Denney had the rope the white cord wrapped around her neck not once but twice and pulled using the groant as part of the weapon, pulled with the force that would be needed to take
down a three hundred pound man. In the ransom note, he mentions whoever is the author of the ransom note, mentions that your child will be decapitated if you go against everything that we asked you to do. Well, let me say this, he nearly did that. He nearly did that to this child because of the force that was used.
Linda, let's use this as an opportunity to stop for a second for these messages. You actually talked about this garrot as well, and also what was found in the autopsy. Not to get any more graphic than people's imagination already has in this case, but there was something that was consistent. People again have mentioned it as a broken paint brush handle, But what was found forensically, what was found in that autopsy concerning a sliver of wood and.
John Benney, Oh my god, that poor child. There was a sliver of wood. It was a tan color as in remember the old fashioned school pencils number two that we all used as children and they still use them now. It was that color tan, and this sliver of wood either came from only one of two places. They claimed the paint brush handle that is broken at both ends but they can't find the pieces, or it came from the wooden karate training sword that was used as a
weapon against John Benet in different ways. In different ways. You're mentioning one way that that because it's the same color wood, it's the same tan. Unless you've seen it as I have seen it, you wouldn't know that. So she may have been I don't even know how to do this. Just use your imagination to figure what he did with that sword. That's number one, but number two, that sword is the only thing that would have caused an eight and one half inch elongated V shaped skull
fracture to this child's goal. But you have to remember something. She was abducted from her bed. That's the first assault against the child. She was thumb gunned in order to immobilize her. That was the second attack against this child. She was sexually assaulted. And by the way, the multiple medical examiner's corners have determined, according to Detective blue Smith, that these attacks against her in her vagina wall were over a period of time because of the age of
the different scarring that they could see. So I am taking this moment to say, every time this man, Bill Ramsey, went to collect his funds for that year's inheritance, is it a far stretch to think that that is not all he did to this child? Is it a far stretch not? According to the medical examiner, there is old scarring from different periods of time in the vagina wall of this child, but that was not all. The abduction, the sun gun, the sexual assaults. The ligature. Now she's dead. Please,
this is the confusing moment for everybody. But I will tell you after the ligature there is no blood flow in her brain, in her skull area, in her head area. She is dead. Do you think that was enough for this sadistic man. No, because he cracked her over the skull. And the only thing that would cause that kind of v shaped eight and one half inchlongated skull fractor is the karate wooden training sort, especially if it's only twenty to twenty two inches long and it's triangular in its shape.
I tell you this, I can't begin to tell you how agnauseous I was when they said that it was a mad flashlight, or a brick, or worse yet, the wrong side of a baseball bat. Those are the three things they came up with. None of them fit the type of damage that done to that child's skull by
a karate wooden training sword. John Douglas, criminal profilist, said, whoever did this, as far as just breaking the ends off what they perceived to be a paint brush handle, was extremely strong because it's a short, not a very long paint brush handle, short for canvas work, and he said that person had to be very strong in their wrist, in their wrist, and in their hands. Bill Ramsey is a carver of ornate wood. The wood is half of
a log. It might be anywhere from from a foot to a foot and a half to three feet tall, but literally half of a log. And he carves the most beautiful carvings of Native American Indian men, native American warriors, the medicine man, never women, never children. I got my hands on one of those carvings. That one was seven
hundred dollars in the back. If you look at the will with the hangman's nows and that W and that I and those ls are all through that ransom note, especially on the last two pages where he's not so careful.
Ordinary you also talk about the ransom note, very very interesting that one letter in particular, someone that you got to look at this handwriting expert per se what was so unusual about the one letter in that ransom note.
That's brilliant on your part, Absolutely brilliant. There is a letter P like people or public and it has a slash across it on an angle. Where you're going to see that again. Somewhere else is there's an old VHS tape. The seven deadly sins on the jacket of that VHS tape are listed the seven deadly sins, and there is a slash on the middle letter of each of the sins.
John Douglas said, whoever does this watches movies all the time, has a lot of free time on their hands, takes some verbage from the different movies John Wayne, et cetera, and puts it into the ransom note, incorporates it into the ransom note. So when I took a copy of Bill Ramsey's application to the karate school and a two and a half page ransom note, a copy of it, I took it to forensic criminologists, the cream of the crop that we have here in Ocean County worked for
the State Police Department. And I was catching him, by the grace of God, as he's coming out of the building. I'm going into building. I reported to him that a dead rat was found at my front door. But I would like him to look at something, and I showed him the two documents, the ransom note I showed I didn't know about that pee, by the way, up until this moment. I showed him Bill Ramsey's Parkinson Bay Karate School application, the one that disappeared, but everybody forgets there
were two of them. And he looked at it, and it didn't take him very long whatsoever, because he pulled out a magnifying glass that he always seems to keep in his pocket. He pulled it out. He looked at both documents, and here's his exact words. There is a letter P with a slash across it from top right down to bottom left, that is in both documents. That tells me that the author of the ransom note and the author of the application to the karate school is
in the same person. Because I have never in my very long career seeing that ever before. And now I am looking at two different documents with that very same unusual letter P, and they both have that slash across it. Why. Because one of the deadly sins that has that slash across it in the peak is the sin of pride. There is no cure for the sin of pride. Pride
is why John Binney died. Besides the fact that he didn't receive his money, Pride and jealousy because all the other his own words, all the other siblings get voted over, but not Bill. Not Bill. Here's your money once a year, stay away for another year. That's where his anger came from. But not receiving it. Somebody had to pay for him not coming back with that one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. Yes, John Biney paid the bill.
Let's discuss some of your efforts that haven't brought you the results that you wanted obviously, But you talk about the American Investigative Society of Cold Cases and Kenneth Means and that you were invited and people like Canry Leaf that had similar conclusions to you work as a forensic pathologist. Tell us about this American Investigation Investigative Society of Cold Cases and your meeting there.
Oh. Absolutely, First of all, it should be a place of honor to be mentioned about Detective Kenneth Mains. Detective Kenneth Mains is the president and the founder of American Investigative Society of Cold Cases. He had a case it troubled him. He could not come to a satisfactory conclusion, which was justice for the victim. He had no problem sharing that information with another detective and they swapped cases, so that is a fresh pair of eyes on each
their own case, but by another detective. That was brilliant. You don't normally see that in homicide cases. Because it worked so well that both cases had a successful resolution. What happened next is this brilliant man Detective Kenneth Mains. He organized American Investigative Society of Cold Cases, but that is now around the world. Homicide experts, forensic experts, they are now for the first time under the wing of this courageous, very intelligent, caring man. They're coming together and
they're sharing information. They're cooperating in homicide cases. Who can see that one missing puzzle that I might not have been able to see. I don't have an eagle issue. I have a desire to fight for the family of the victims and their loved ones so everyone could rest in peace. Those who have taken from us wrongly rest in peace, but they're families who are aching foreclosure. Look for this man, easy pull his CDL in North Carolina.
You will see what he looks like these days, and then do a ping in reference to his phone number and his general contractor's phone number collective DNA. It will match or it will not match. It's really that simple. But to do nothing about the least of what is left to be done, there is no logical explanation for that.
I want to thank you very much Melinda Coola for coming on and talking about your book. Secret Senna My Murderer The True John Beney Completed puzzle for those that might want to take a look at for more information about this case and this book. Do you have a website and do you do any social media?
Yes, the website is John Bennet's Truecasehistory dot net and I am constantly on different podcasts based on requests from people around the world.
And you have the Facebook page as well.
Yes, it's m l I N d A dot k U l A.
I want to thank you so much, Melinda Coola Secret Sanna My Murderer The True John Benet Completed Puzzle. Thank you so much for this interview, and you have a great evening, and good
Night, good night, and thank you, thank you,