FRANK SINATRA AND THE MAFIA MURDERS-Mike Rothmiller

his original godfather was assassinated. Sam Momo Giancana shared a lover with President John F. Kennedy sixteen days after the assassination of John F. Kennedy. On November thirtieth, nineteen sixty three, while the singer was consoling the president's widow, nineteen year old Frank Sinatra Junior was kidnapped at gunpoint from his hotel room in Lake Tahoe, Nevada. A two hundred and

forty thousand dollars ransom was demanded from his father. While the FBI in Nevada and California law enforcement agencies sprang into action, Frank secretly contacted his mafia friends for help. The mafia believed they could free young Frank much more quickly through their underworld connections. In the end, nine people died having been beaten. For information revealed here as never before is the extent to which Sinatra was adopted by the mafia. They promoted his career and watched his back,

and in return, Sinatra dan to their tune. New information disclosed here shows that Sinatra also offered to spy for the CIA. Inside sources say Sinatra wanted the CIA to intercede to stop an investigation to his gaming license in Las Vegas, but the CIA declined because they were already working with the Mob and were concerned Sinatra would learn of the mafia's connection to the CIA and leak it.

The book that we're featuring this evening is Frank Sinatra and the Mafia Murders, with my special guests, journalist, author, and former organized crime detective Mike Rothmeller. Welcome back to the program, and thank you so much for this interview Mike roth Miller.

cases in foreign countries. Of the fifty five detectives that were in there when I worked there, we never made one arrest. We were prohibited from making arrests because of the intelligence that we are gathering and how we were gathering. As an example, we had two guys in there who were wiretap et sports. That's all they did even though you couldn't get a wiretap. There were other guys that would do black bag jobs like the SBI you see break into a house, bring into a business in the

middle of the night, or no date search. It gets the information they want and then leave. So that's what was going on. If you think of jig Or Hoover, what the FBI was doing, gathering dossiers on the rich, the famous, and politicians of power, that's exactly what LFP Intelligence was doing at the time. And that actually started in nineteen thirty two. That division started and it continued through the years. I had access to all of the

secret dossiers and files on everybody you could imagine. There probably were fifty two hundred thousand people in the file as well, and of those were entertainers as you can imagine, Sinatra and Marilyn Monroe, politicians, the Kennedys, Jerry Brown, the governor of California, his father Pat Brown, former governor, and people various countries and with a emphasis on New York, Chicago, Detroit, Miami, Kansas City, and those areas of Las Vegas where there

was a mob connection, but also where there were oh, let's just put it a lot of politicians that were in the pocket of the model, So that's where it came from. That's what I had access to. I had access to a lot of the very confidential information the FBI had because I was loaned to Partner Justice starting as Crime Strike Force in La so I was working with them a lot. Iris Intelligence provided us a lot

of information and so forth. So that's where all the information that's coming from when I was doing that sort of work. Now, as far as this book gathering information, it went back to the information that I had privy to many years ago when I was doing that work. And then also I filed many freedom Information Acts and mandatory declassification reviews for information that has never been released by the FBI, the CIA, State Department, Secret Service, you

name it. And I also got a lot of information out of the National Archives and out of old data banks that we subscribed to. So it was a wealth of information. And it was also a matter of running down former law enforcement people who had information back and also people who were close to Sinatra and knew what he was doing as far as this connection to the mob and what the Mob was doing for him. So we found quite a few of those people who were

still around and they're willing to talk. So that's the background where the information came from.

mob guys around him and watching his parents. So anything that was being done as a child that normally that your parents do when you grow up and their associates, you think it's all right, that's the way the world runs. And so that's where he grew up. And he started working very young in some bars and so forth, and he would sing as he got a little bit older,

into his late keeens. He would sing for a sandwich and maybe a pack of cigarettes in the local bar that was run by some of the Mob guys, and that's where he got his first taste of the mob and a first introduction to the mob. And they liked him. He was a good kid. They thought he could sing,

and so they became friends. And as time went, Bob, it was the Mob who Lucky Muciano some other guys through Willie Moriotty, who was his for better Terman's godfather, they put up fifty thousand dollars to advance his career, and that's what really longs him what we know today what happened for him.

And the hitman pulled out a gun, put it up to him and said signed the contract away, in which he did. And because of that, Frank was very very happy. One because he got out of it. But two now he owed the mob a great deal and he paid

for his entire life. Tell us about his ascension as a performer, and you had mentioned that the mob was spending money to be able to help his career, but tell us how the mafia controlled the clubs and in his ascension as a performer, and before we introduced Sydney Korshak and Johnny ROSSELLI, Yeah, well he was, I said, performing in mob clubs for better from whether they were large or small, round New Jersey than to New York.

And they would have him come in, they would pay him whatever they paid him for that night's singing, and he was indebted to them, and so they kept expanding that and well, we want you to go here and play for so and so at his clum and he would do it. We get paid. And also that helped him start to be established as a scene star. You

think of any major entertainer today. That started out very young as singer, and so you have the groupies and the young kids, and his case was the young girls of teens and everything started following him and that's where it all started, his fan base, and they just kept that going through their various clubs as they expanded out.

would help Frank along the way. If Frank Brandon then difficulty, he couldn't get a singing gig somewhere. All Sam had to do was make a call and all of a sudden he got the give and so that was the

help that he was giving him. And also when Kennedy, John Kennedy was looking and running for the president, his father Joe Kennedy contacted Sam g and Conna and Frank Sinatra and Frank then he met his house and they had a long talk and he said, listen, I need basically the Bob's help to get John elected in Chicago and on the East Coast. And Frank went to Sam g and Kanna and they had a long conversation about it. He was sure, we'll help him and we'll see what

can be done. And they forbid it from they fought him the election through cast and intimidation. So that was a long standing relationship. And also as time went by, there's a count day of a lodge out in the Vlo like Tahoe, and Frank was the guy who supposedly owned it, but it was really Sam Giaconna put most money into it. So Sam would go there undercover. He wasn't supposed to be there because of the gaming restrictions, and he would stay in the little cabin and Frank

would go there. And also, well what happened is Joe Kennedy the patriarch of a family. He would secretly visit and they would supply him with prostitutes or anything he wanted. And so that got Sam in to know a great deal more than he wanted the probab about the Kennedy family, but also to get them in line in his mind.

And as time went by, a gal named Judah Fechner came to know Sam through Frank and she became his girlfriend, Sam Giacana's girlfriend, and at the same time she was introduced to John Kennedy and she was also taken care of John Kennedy, and so that was rather interesting because

now Sam Giacanna had blackmailing information on John Kennedy. So one day there was a wiretap on Hoover's people put a wiretap on Sam g and Conna's home in Chicago, and Kennedy was president and he called to speak of Judith. He didn't realize there was g Econna's home, so Judith was there. She starts talking to John Kennedy and he's

being recorded the whole time. And so that was a great coup for jig Or Hoover because after Hoover heard the tape, he had a meeting of Robert Kennedy and he said, I want you to listen to this tape and he listened to his brother talking to this gal about what they're going to do and what they've done in the past, and he said, do you know what phone number that is? And Robert Kon didn't know. That's Sam g Conna's house, that's Sam Gcanna's girlfriend. And your

brother is also doing Jude Defectioner. So at that time, Hoover was basically way ahead of the game as far as black male and Kennedy knew that he would never be fired because of the information that he had. So it was a very long term, very in depth relationship and agreements that were made between Sam g and Kana, Frank Sinach or Judithectioner, and the Kennedys. It sounds like a movie, but it's all too real.

And so they were looking for just no involvement of the FBI or department justices coming after the Mob activities, whether it's book making, whether it was running drugs, whether it was prostitute and extortion, whatever. They thought they were going to have a free hand in their territories to

do what they wanted to do. But what happened is Robert Kennedy was appointed Attorney General, which they never saw coming, and he started to investigate them, go after people in the Mob, and so they felt betrayed and there was no love loss at that point between the Mob and JFK. And also Frank Sinatra because he was the middleman during wellness and so they were upset with a number of people, but they didn't know quite have to handle it at that stage.

can get them. They're the ones that are out there doing the crimes for a better term, and you can start to squeeze them and hopefully turn them into rolling over the person that they work for, and you keep going up that chain of command. So that's what they were hoping for as far as DOJ and the mob were hoping that that would never happen, but it started to happen. So they were picking up lower hanging fruit guys.

That was causing a lot of stress to the mob because they didn't know when these people would start to turn informant. And they were also focusing on the higher up some of the mob bosses they wanted to take down. So it was a very intense time as far as investigation of the mob, and then the mob started to fight back. So it was a situation that started, basically a war that started, but nobody knew how with them.

seeing you any longer. Then he started to coffair with Maryland and it continued, and at that stage it was intersesting because Peter Lawford was put in the middle, but also Sinatra was still he want to friends with the Kennedys, and Sinatra at his house in walm Springs had a being built on because it was his understanding was free to you that John Kennedy was going to fly and some of California asked President and he was going to stay at Sinatra's house in Palm Springs, and that was

shut down after he built a huge add on and brought new telephone lines in from the Secret Service and everything, because Robert told him about his connections to the mob, which John Kennedy probably already knew, but he had had it laid out during that way, and that it would have been a very bad idea for the President to spend time at Frank Sinatra's house in Palm Springs because there are a lot of mob guys down there at the time. So he backed out at the last minute.

Sinatra was furious, and Sinatra at that point basically started to hate for Kennedys. And he also started taking it out on Peter Lawford because Lawford was at that stage he was a brother in law to the Kennedy family and Sinatra was not happy at all. And also at the time, Peter Lawferd was married to one of the sisters of Kennedy's and Sinatra start having an affair with her. So if you get closer to the Kennedys, and this is backing it up a little bit of time. Excuse me.

So he was very upset that after having an affair with Peter Lawferd's wife, the sister John and Robert Kennedy, that everything fell apart and he thought he was going to be so close with the President into the White House, but his connections to the mob hurt him in that respect.

and there were some indictments. There were a lot of interesting situations where they basically interviewed Sinatra, but he wouldn't come into a hearing situation. They had to go to his hotel and interview him over connections and naturally he deny knowing anything, knowing who these people were and so on, but everybody knew he was lying at that stage. But the investigations went on really until JFK was assassinated and then they started to wind down. But it was a

very intense investigation. It wasn't for lack of trying. But it's difficult to indict mob bosses with that one of the copos below them, or soldiers becoming an informant. It's just it's nearly impossible. And so they went on as we could, but once Kennedy was assassinated, it was pretty much over.

heard about it. You would think that the first call would be to the police the FBI, because he could have gotten hold of the head of the FBI and so, what's going on, how are you doing this? How he had an investigation? Well, he didn't do that. His first call went to Gacom because he, as most people then, thought that it was probably some lob guy for kidnapping. And the next call after Sam Gkanta said okay, I'll look, I'll see what I can do. I'll get my people

on and so forth. On the West coast. His next call looked to Jimmy the Wiesel friday Aana who was in Los Angeles, and Fridayano was observed going way back he was a hit manufiled number of people and so forth, and he said, sure, we'll get on it right away and see if we can find your son, find out who kidnapped you, and free him. Snops thought that would be the best way to handle it because they were more likely to find these people quicker than the police would.

So that went on, and the Weasel went out to people that he thought, for whatever reason, could have been involved and had knowledge of this, because they also thought it was some mob guys that probably pulled it off, and three of those guys turned up dead and a good number of other ones just vanished had never been seen again. And as it turned out, the people that kidnapped him were for better term, like some old high school friends. I thought this was a great idea to

make some money. And they were captured after Frank Junior was freed in Los Ansan, So they weren't in the mob. They had nothing to do with it. It's just like some college kids getting together and deciding, Hey, we're going to go kidnap somebody for ransom, and that's pretty much exactly what happened, and they were all eventually captured and convicted. So that was the backstore of what was going on in the Shadows. When his son was kidnapped.

Frank got the part. So that was one. And then Frank owed a lot to the Chicago out for the Chicago Mob because they really pretty much launched him in some in New Jersey. And there were a couple of brothers who he was extremely close to, the Fashetti brothers. They were cousins d al Capone. They worked directly for al Capone and there are a number of people died

at their hands. And so anytime Frank, pretty much any time he would go back to Chicago in that area, one of the brothers of both were picking him up at the airport and he would stay with them at their house, and the two brothers and he would go with them just hang out with him the whole time he was there. And he did a lot of favors for them, such as a couple of the guys back there were opening up car dealerships and he would show up for the grand opening as a favor, or he

would do a commercial for them. So he was indebted to them and also I think he probably feared them because he knew what they did for al Capone and some other people, and what they were doing for Sam Giacana at the time Sam was taking over. So there was some fear and there's some respect. But Frank had an enormous respect for the Mob and he was just

intrigued by them like they were movie stars. And it was him and Phil Silvers who would get together and they would just admire Bugsy Siegel when Bugsy was in la and they would just prevent him, treat him as the king. And when Bugsy would walk into a restaurant and they were there, they would stand up and say, hello, missus Siegel, how are you this evening, and so forth. And then once he passed, they were set down and

they would do favors with him. If Bugsy wanted dinner with them or have a friend have dinner with them, they got it. They would do it instantly. And once again that was a lot based on respect or respect

and fear. And they would talk about Phil Silvers and Frank about how many people Bugsy killed and how did he kill them, and what was his preferred method of killing people and so forth, and they were just intrigued by that, and so it appeared where the people who spoke to that Frank started taking on that persona as boy Bugsy is a tough guy and he's got a lot of respect, and so if I'm history and people are gonna have more respect for me and more fear.

So it was an interesting dance that they were doing between them. But Bugsy was always the one on the West Coast that they bowed to. And then they would pay a lot atenest to Jimney the Weizel. He would do things because they knew he was basically just a hit man. So there's fear and respect of going across Sinosa's lines.

But also Sydney had the power if he wanted to shut down a studio through the unions, he just made a call and nobody would show up work at studios. He wielded a lot of power. And then as time went by, Frank had him represent him a number of issues, and he would then act as the middleman between whatever Frank wanted and whoever he wanted to get it from. And people knew Sydney, they knew his reputation, and they knew that Sydney was very well connected with the mob.

And there are a lot of rooms that there are probably some people that got some broken bones and were ill because of Sidney. But he was very sharp, very shrewd, and extremely powerful in Hollywood.

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there isn't Godfather. You see, there's an entertainer who was a singer, and the Godfather played very important part in getting him into a movie and launching his career, and

that was all based on Sinatra. Yes, So it just was an interesting situation where it's really kind of in a better sense the docu drama on Frank's life, just that one part in there, and it looked like he wanted to be in there in a sense to one try to control the part and what was being said, and also it seemed to be a good job for him to take that time if he could get it, but it just didn't work out.

the mob godfathers and so forth. So a lot of the people around him and within the entertainment industry, within the mob, they were getting upset because he was starting He was drawing a lot of attention to himself that the mob felt it wasn't necessary as far as having an affairs, and they wanted him to calm down, slow it down. You know, if you're going to have an affair, basically having in private, have it with a prostitute out of Vegas or someone else where, nobody's going to know

about it. But he insisted on doing things in his own fashion. And then he became jealous of Ava Gardener. He started dating a partner and then she went out a couple of times with Peter Lawford. This pomposition before Peter is married and he was so upset he called Lawford May he threatened that he could never be seen ave again, go out with her or anything where he's

going to take care of him. And that's where Frank was coming in, playing his marvel and thinking that the mob is just going to whack somebody because he's upset with him, and that's not the way it worked. And so Frank went on that that gave the FBI a lot of reason to investigate him for wiretaps on and so forth on his phone and other people's phones, and put him on the surveillance when he was in experience

punch of the country. And that's the same thing Lapde e Toligence did when he was in La Hadi under surveillance, and when he was in living Palm Springs, lapd intelligence to go to Palm Springs and see who he was getting together with as far as a woman, see what mob guys he was meeting with, and just carry that on to the endpoint where they get as much information on him and the mob and anybody he associated with.

So that's pretty much went on with him and having affairs, and there was a time when he was drawing too much attention, and some of the guys in the mob talked about having him hit, killing him to stop the attention, and several wanted him hit. But then if he wants, say cooler heads, so people hire up the chain of command.

The mob said. Now they were worried that if they did that one using money maker for them, but two that would draw an enormous amount of heat from law enforcement as far as somebody who's looking at who killed Frank Sinatra. So they just backed off at that point.

And then you have to get into when he had a gaming license that he lost in Nevada at the account Nava launch, and so he later I went five years later, wanted to become for better term director of entertainment at a major resort in Vegas, and once again he had to go through the Gaming Commission to get

that license. So it was reported the information we got he was going to get paid one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a month for that job, and all he would do is help bring in other big name entertainers to perform at the casino restort. So it wasn't

going well. Harry Reid, who was a former center at Labata, he was on the Gaming Commission, and he vowed and spoke publicly in a private to many people that Sinatra was dirty as far as his involvement in the mob and so forth, and he would never give him a gaming advicense. Well, now we stepped back to Sidney Korshak, the attorney in Vegas. Sydney had a very good friend who was an attorney in Nevada and a very higher ends politician there for years in Nevada. And so they

had a meeting. That attorney went back to Vegas and called Harry Read and said we need to chat. So they got together in the motel room. They had a chat, and Harry left with the brief Days from the Sky and it was obviously full of cash. And so shortly after that the vote was coming up for the licensing of Sinatra, and Harry, over that meeting in the hotel room said Snatsa is a great guy. He's got a lot of great friends, and or we've got to give

him this gaming license. They gave him the gaming license. So this brought in a lot of the politics tam that went on in the VAT at the time. And Swisher Harry Read Sinatra, he knew what to do, and especially his attorneys that came through for him on that ended up getting his license.

And Carlow at that time he was an old gentleman and seago to see Frank, and he took his friends and they went and they met him. And then through time when Carlo was still in power, through Frank generally through an attorney, would contact Carlow and asked for a favor, and sometimes they were big favors, sometimes they're small but Frank was not over extending his request to Carlo for any little thing, because he knew that Carlo would get upset if he kept calling and asking for loads of favors.

Pretty soon Carlo's going to cut him off. So he was selective in this request to Carlo and his people. But Harlow, if it wasn't going to cost them anything, literally anything, he would make a call or whatever. People would make a call for him, either a telephone or in person and say, hey, would you help mister Sinatra whatever the issue was, and generally people would not refuse him.

their body being found. And it was just proof that when there's a mob boss, especially back then, there's a mob boss that has a lot of power, Barlow had it, you don't mess with them. It doesn't matter what your position is. He just didn't mess with them. So Farlo did his best like any mob god father would do that.

We want Castro killed, and so Sam Giacana and then thought about and said, okay, we'll see what we can do, and they came some ideas, but obviously it never occurred. And Johnny Roselli was one of them, Johnny the mob guys. Johnny was out on the West coast, so it was Hollywood Johnny, and he was really into running the mobs,

interest in the studios and so forth. And so as time went by, all of a sudden, Congress and Senate they started investigating this, the issue of the CIA being involved in killings and so forth, and Sam was set to testify and he was at his house, was really instant.

He was at his house Chicago. He was in preparing a meal for himself for frying some sausage and the peppers, and somebody he knew came in and it was in all likelihood it was totally Spilato came in and has say, turns back on him, shot him and killed me, shot in the head several times. That happened just before he was to testify before the commission that the Senate committee.

And then Johnny Rosselli, who was also involved in setting up the deal to kill Castro, he was thet to testify before the Senate and then he vanishes and his body is found stuck in a fifty five gallon drum floating in Florida in a bay. While it was interesting intelligence wise, does matter what did the mob kill them? Or was the CIA? Or was it the mob doing it at the hints of the CIA? And so that

came into play. He got these two guys killed, which it's foot Sinatra great extent because he knew these guys, he knew him well, and so he was so concerned that among other reasons, but to get a game horses.

He went to the CIA and offered him become a spy for it, and basically they listened to him, and he said, listen, I can get in and see people all around the world, heads of state, the royal family in England and so forth, and I could talk to them, ask them questions, and I can come back and you can do briefly what it would come down to. And the CIA thought about it, but they didn't take him.

But he wanted their help. The CIA's helped and stopping the SBI from looking at him, and also getting his gaming license back, and that he thought they could override everything. But the CIA, they were in this case. They were smart enough to know that now we're not going to take Frank under r Room and have him start doing if you want to say, undercover operatics for them. It

just wasn't going to work out. They didn't trust him because he was a loose cannon and he had he had a temper, So that's not what you want and the person's going to be doing intelligence sport for you.

how many powerful people within the encayment industry. I'm talking about heads of studios and heads of television networks and major major entertainers at Sinatra, Dean Martin back then in that time, for Sammy Davis and the Rat pat everybody else, plus the Vegas crowd, all the people that owned hotels and casinos in Vegas, they were all connected and Sydney had access to all of them. It was really quite remarkable because he didn't do a lot of legal work

in the respect that most attorneys to him. He just had to make a phone call and he could shut something down or he could make something happen, and he could put people together. He could just call the head of the studio and then several major actors and acts saying hey be at my office tomorrow I want to talk, and they get together and they'd chat. He didn't work out a huge deal, so he was more part of people know and interesting enough for not being an Italian

in the mob. He had in some respects more power than some of the mob bosses did because of his impact on the unions and his say so over the unions in Hollywood. So Sydney was a real interesting character. Had a massive DUSSI and him as he did on many other people. And there were times I know I read the reports were intelligence re post surveillance reports where Sydney would travel someplace in southern California and OCID would

follow him. And there were times that he had middleman go to the White House when various presidents work in office and have a private meeting of the president and we on a couple occasions. And also they say tried to get the log from the White House who visited it when he visited. Strange thing. Those people were taken off the log, they were never logged in. Yet we know from some of the Secret Service people that they

actually met with the president. So there's a lot of power being wielded, a lot of back doors that were being opened, a lot of political favors that were being paid to politicians and then coming back that way to entertainers from the politicians.

would step in and handle it. And so Sydney in the sense became his godfather in the legal terms of being his attorney, but he would also control a lot that Frank did, and he would keep Frank out of trouble too because Frank, he said, he had a temper.

He would do some stupid things at times, and Sydney was able to tap all that day out keep it out immedia because of his power and also the influence he had on LPD, out of police supports at that time, Sydney could step in and have somebody the case just drop or it will never be handled in the first place. It would just go away. So he said, I'll handle this, don't get involved as far as the police, and he would go to recons in the chief of police in La and all of a sudden it was over.

in nineteen ninety eight. Tell us what his sendoff was. Tribute to Frank Sinatra, Well, there's a lot of tributes that were paid through the media and so forth. Regarding his sendoff. The vast majority of probably ninety eight percent of the mob guys that he knew that he they're all dead and so it wasn't as some people may have expected a big mob turnout to send them off to the cemetery. It was just for adventure, almost low key.

They're entertainers and everybody else's attendants, family friends and so forth. But as far as the mob in attendance, there are a few little ranking guys that were there that were picked up on surveillance, but names that people wouldn't know, names that people wouldn't know. But they're all dead.

different story for the public perception of the film. Any person, whether it be the Kennedys, whether the Sinatra, or whether be any major entertainer, all of a sudden you start finding out things you never knew, and you realize that, not only in entertainment but political that people are groomed in a certain way and only a certain part of

their reality is exposed or given to the publics. And so that's how people read them, and that's how they understood Frank's life until things start to come out, and that's how they understood most politicians lives.

we don't know what it's talking about. Well, I've gone through that many times of them, and then all of a sudden, why they know and why I know? And

then they'll give me documents. So it opened up a lot of people's eyes to Sinatra and politicians everything, but all the documents that were coming forth that I was able to obtain, and regarding the transcripts on wirecaps and social what you come across are the actual words for a person is really thank you, especially a politician, and what they're really talking about, and so it gives you

a great deal of insight to them. And I one example underlated, I got excuse me the tough phone transcripts of Lyndon Johnson the day after GfK was assassinated, and it's very telling when you read what he's speaking to somebody on the telephone about and then we comes up publicly talks about the assassination and say, wait, wait a minute, something really stinks here. So when you have access to telephone transcripts, it provides keen insight into the person's thinking

and what they're actually doing. And it doesn't matter what they say publicly, whether it's an entertainer or politician. You know what is really going on. And so looking at that.