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You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking killers in true crime history and the authors that have written about them. Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host journalist and author Dan Zupanski.
Good evening, when Piper Strile failed to show up for work, a coworker called her home. Piper's three and a half year old daughter, Shana, answered and said a mean man carried mummy away. Then the line went dead. In the tranquil region of southeast South Dakota, word of the young mother who was brazenly abducted from her home in broad
daylight shocked residence. Piper was the second woman to vanish following the startling incident of a young woman who narrowly escaped abduction by fighting for her life on a dark and secluded highway. An intensive search by an elite team of investigators uncovered a secret crime location, but the discovery of a night shirt cut in half, a burnt candle, and a home made bondage board revealed the chilling truth
behind the missing women. With the help of a quick witted and street wise maximum security prison inmate prosecutor Larry Long and his team were able to piece together the sinister facts of the diabolical crimes. Best Selling authors Phil and Sandy Hammond, along with former Attorney General Larry Long, dive into the grim and demented world of Robert Leroy Anderson,
sexual sadist, rapist, and murderer. Duct Tape Killer is also the story of perseverance in proof that love will not be extinguished by the rudest evil that seeks to take root in our world. The book that we're featuring this evening is Duct Tape Killer, The true inside story of sexual sadist and murderer Robert Leroy Anderson, with my special guest journalists and authors Phil Hammond and Sandy Hammond. Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for this interview. Phil and Sandy Hammond.
Hi Dan, Hi Dan, thanks for having us on.
Thank you very much once again for joining us for your brand new, incredible true crime thriller here, Duct Tape Killer. Tell us how you both came to be involved with this, What was the who was the connection that gave you this incredible access to be able to write this duct tape Killer.
Well, Dan, when we were going around speaking about our other books, Get You Girl, and Gets You Girl, and Covered, we had many people come up to us and say you should do a book on Robert Leroy Anderson, and often the name Larry Long came up. He prosecuted the case, in fact, spent every day for two and a half years working on this case and later became the South Dakota Attorney General. So we kept having requests to do a book, and we approached Judge Long and he agreed to.
We've had some discussions because we had a lot of other people who wanted us to write their books, and we ended up doing this story with him.
Now, Phil, let's go to July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety six, and this Piper strile A Strilley. Pardon me, she doesn't show up at work. Strilley, she doesn't show up at work, and she's working at the Southeast Ment Health Outreach, and so tell us what happens, just as a regular protocol when she doesn't show up for the disabled mother and son that she's working with and helping. So what happens and what does the coworker do, and what does she encounter.
Well, Dan Piper was very responsible, very very diligent. She never missed work, twenty seven years old, former high school homecoming queen, just very dependable. So when she didn't show up to help this disabled mother and son, they called the mental health and disabled business where Piper worked, and immediately one of the co workers didn't have good vibes. Immediately she thought a car actent or some Piper would just not come to work. So the co worker gets
on the phone and dials to strily residents. The phone rings and rings and rings, and finally a little voice answers, and it's Shana, Piper's three and a half year old, and the coworker says, honey, is your mommy home? No? Is your daddy home?
No?
Is there a baby seat of there? No, my mommy's going to die, and she hangs up the phone. Now the co worker's really alarmed. She immediately calls right back. The phone rings and rings and rings. Chhana finally answers again, and she said, I don't want mommy to die. I don't want daddy to die. A mean man carried mommy away and the line goes dead again. And then, of
course following that disturbing call. Authorities converge at the Striley home and there is where McCook County Sheriff Jean Taylor, who's the first on the scene, and shortly after a special agent Jim Severson appears at the Striley home.
To give people a little visual of Sheriff Taylor. People in the community often compared him to Andy Taylor from the Andy Griffiths Show. He was just so kind and so competent, and everybody loved him. He was the beloved sheriff in the town. So he's the first person to come across Shana, and then Shana had go ahead.
But you write that he is not given the same information he's He doesn't know anything except just that there's a child that has is in welfare issue, and so he just goes there. He doesn't know about that phone call, does he.
No, They just told him to check on the welfare of little children at the home. They didn't give him any details. When he walked in, Shana says the same thing to him. She starts crying and says, my mommy's going to die, And Jean Taylor asked her, is your mommy in the hospital. She's sick? No, A mean man in a black car carried mommy away, and she told us to run and hide. Shana's little brother had just turned to the day before. And then of course they
get a hold of Vance Riley, Piper's husband. He immediately comes home, and of course now Shana explodes with information for the investigators and her dad. He said, Dad, he had he a mean man carried mommy away. He was a loud noise and he took Nathan's playtent. The day before when Nathan the little boy turned to the parents gave him a little playtent, and that playtemp becomes very
important later on in this investigation. But Shane, of the little girl, had just so focused that her little brother's birthday present had been taken by this mean man who carried her mother away. So that's where we're at at this point.
Now, where does what does Vance remember after reconsidering when he talks to the detective getting over this initial shock, obviously, what does he recall considering what his daughter just had said.
Well, you know, he's he's pretty much in shock. He doesn't know what to think. They set up a roadblock. The Striley's lived in a on an acreage outside of the city and so it was there was gravel roads out there. They set up a roadblock and started stopping people that were going by and asking if they saw anything suspicious. The county road grader driver came by and he said, yes, I saw something suspicious this morning. There
was a black vehicle. There was a black Bronco actually black rims, black vehicle and as it was driving towards me, it suddenly made a stop, went down to the ditch. Maybe you turned and went sped off in the other direction. I thought it was very unusual. And so now with Shane as saying a man in a black car took mommy away, the road grader driver saying that he saw a suspicious car turn around and roar away from him, and then Vance remembered the friday before Piper went missing.
The Striliers were running a Bible camp Dan for your listeners. They were running. They were very Christian people. They were running a day camp for day daycare kids and they would even have wooden pew set up out for per service out in their front yard. And a man stopped in a black Bronco with black rims and came up to the door and wanted information about the Bible camp.
But Vance remembered this guy was acting strange, like he was surprised to see a man answer the door, and he kind of figited around.
And then Van remembered the guy's name, and he remembered the man had said his name was Robert Anderson. And the reason is Vance knew someone by the same name. That's how he remembered his name. And so up to that point they really had nothing to go on. They knew it was a Black Bronco, and they ran a check on that through the the Department of Motor Vehicles, but thousands of Black Broncos came up throughout the state,
so they just couldn't get a grip on anything. They had no clues to go by and tell Vance remembered that man's name, then they could go ahead and run the name through the Department of Motor Vehicle along with the Black Bronco and again, Robert Anderson. It's such a common name. They still got lots of names.
And we can go on with this part of the story. We can switch gear damn as we do in the book.
At this point, Yes, go ahead, Manski's Yes, introduce.
Your listeners at this point in the book, for your listeners, we switch because you're going to find this is all going to be coming intertwined. We know what happened to Piper now she disappeared. We know the investigators they're trying to focus on a black vehicle, especially a black Bronco. But now we flash to the early nineteen nineties. Bill and Larissa Domanski, along with their two daughters, had left the country of Ukraine. They were Christian Dalfield and they
were being persecuted in that country. So they wanted to come to the United States for religious freedom and of better life. And so they got job working at a local meatpacking plan. Good money, good jobs, and so their life were really going in the right direction. But on the morning of August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety four, Larissa else to come home from work. Well, her husband Bill goes looking for and he finds her keys dangling in the driver's side door and a flat and tire on
her vehicle. So now there's an extensive search for Larissa Domanski, a very young pretty woman who had come to this country from the Ukraine with her family. And the extensive investigation searched by multitude of people in the community. It all goes cold.
And the name of the place where she worked is morel meatpacking plant. In the area, people call it Morel's. It's very well known and that will be important and a little bit here too, and.
That's where she disappeared, from the Morel's parking lot. And there is an act in the book.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, you talk about the once she disappears, the incredible search that Bill is involved with to look for her. Tell us about that.
Yes, his He had a very close church. They were very dedicated. They spent their holiday weekend making flyers, bringing them around. They made up cards to bring to hunting stores because they knew that hunting season would be coming up. People would be going through hunters would be going through field. They knocked on doors, they put up flyers. They of course, there were search teams involved with this too, and they
were looking all over the city. They even investigated the circus because the circus had been in town that weekend. They looked through They were searching for a needle in a haystack. They looked at everything they could. They even talked to.
Sky yes and looked for places.
Where someone could have dumped a body. They were looking for places with easy access that were also hidden out of the way. And after a while the case just went cold. They found nothing. They interview viewed hundreds of people at Lariss's work. There's something like three thousand employees who worked there. They narrowed it down to one hundred. They interviewed some of those people several several times. They found nothing.
Now this case goes cold. And you talk about Vance Strilley leaving South Dakota at some point and interested in is a seminary and planned to be an ordained minister and lead a church someday tell us about Vance Strial and the Strilley Pardon me, and how these two cases and these people intertwine as you say.
Okay, So Vance and Piper actually met at Bible College. That was where they found each other. They both wanted to go into the ministry. Piper and ended up going into education. Vance continued with the ministry. They had bought that piece of land that was out in the country, that acreage that we had talked about, because they wanted to start their own church. They started out with a Bible camp and a small handful of people in their congregation.
It was outside sty had an archery range, a swimming hole, some things like that to make it attractive to people. They had actually just purchased an old church and they had the papers. They were going to sign that deed and take over this church, have it moved on to their land and start a church together.
And then Piper goes missing, along with Larissa Domanski from the Moral parking lot. Now the investigators are back at the Strillys, but no one's put it together yet.
They haven't connected the two cases yet.
Not quite yet, but they something is not right with this whole situation. The whole focus now is on this black vehicle, with the little girl saying a black vehicle, the road grader saying he sought a suspicious black bronco band from remembering a strange man coming by the name of Robert Anderson. So we go back to the Striley residence. On the day that Piper goes missing, it's nearly three o'clock in the morning. Now the next day, the investigator's
still out there. They run checks and they get a name of a Ruth Anderson and a phone number. Well, one of the investigators, very sneakily and slickly comes up with a it's three in the morning. They're going to call and tell this Ruth Anderson a story and try to get some information out of her. So they ring the phone and finally this groggy woman answers, and the investigator says, Hey, I'm an over the road trucker. I hate to call it this time, but I'm looking to
buy a car from a Robert Anderson. Is he Are you related to him? And she said, that's my son, Robert Anderson, but he's work in the night ship at the Morel's Meat Plaquie packing plants. And then things started to click with the investigators. Something had to be connected with these things.
When they heard Morel's they immediately thought of Larissa Domanski disappearing two years before.
Yeah, now what do they do? They go to Morel's, they ask him for an interview. What does his response?
He agrees, he's very cocky Dan. He voluntarily agrees to come down and be interviewed. No lawyer, no.
Nothing, and he plays this cat and mouse game with them. The part with his first interview is very interesting, but it's also very lengthy and involved. But to kind of sum it up, they figure that he had researched interrogation techniques because he would act like he was almost ready to tell them what happened. They said. He would lead them up to the door, and then he'd back away. He wouldn't tell them that last piece of information that
they needed. He kept almost making himself guilty, and then he'd pull away. Sometimes he'd switched the topic and he'd talk about black holes, or how he was developing his own.
Theory of light and science and all kinds of stuff like that. Yes, but at this point in the book, Dan we introduced special agent Bob grand Prix, who had extensive experience questioning sex offenders, and he got his cracket interview in Anderson. He said, right away he got bad vibes about this guy. The hair on the back of his neck stood up. He had enough experience to know this guy was off. So he gets Anderson to talk in third person. Well, Robert, if somebody would have kidnapped Piper,
what would they do with her? And he said At that point, Anderson perked up on the edge of his chair, a gleam one in his eyes, and he wanted to start talking about what somebody would have done to Piper had they abducted them. He starts talking about bizarre sacks, and Grand Prix said, you could tell the guy was getting stimulated by just talking about this stuff.
Try Anderson, it was an obsession. When he was given the opportunity to talk, he couldn't resist. He literally couldn't resist.
When you ask, when he's asked about the things that the police already know, you say that he likely read something about a book about interrogation and the techniques used. What does he do and what does he admit to and what does he not admit to? In this again, this wily conversation between he and police.
He won't admit to anything Dan, but he talks him third person about Piper being probably taken as a sex slave or tied down and used it for a bondage slave, and all kinds of rope bizarre things.
And then finally they asked him was he ever out at Piper's. No, he'd driven by it. And then they came back with they let him paint himself in a corner a little bit, and they came back with, well, why would somebody tell us they saw you there? Oh, he remembered he had pulled in the driveway. But then it looked like there wasn't anybody home. He backed out. Then a little later they said, well, why would we find your fingerprints on the door, and I don't believe
they had, and he said, oh, that's right, I knocked. Well, at that point he put himself at the murder scene and that's when they were able to get their warrants and so, yeah, but he finally made one mistake.
You talk about the warrants, but also they referred to a ninety four DMV photo and with that photo they went to the two witnesses, Vance and Shana. What was the result of them looking at this photo lineup from police.
Yeah, they took his driver's license and they and they got other drivers with people that looked similar to Robert Anderson, and they showed it to Vance Striley and they showed it to little Shana. They laid it out, but at that point, neither one of them could pick out Robert Anderson as a person that came to their house or the mean man that carried her mommy away.
And then during the interview they started to think, you know, he doesn't really look like his driver's license photo anymore. His hair had started to receive and he just looked different.
Yeah, So then they took a photograph of him, okay, But and then they showed that the new photo lineup to little Shana, who did pick him out as a mean man that carried her mother away, and vance identified him as a strange man that the Friday had come knocking on their door wanting information about the Bible camps.
And of course they showed it to them separately, and with Shane, I think this is kind of ingenious. She's so young. They didn't show her a page of a photo lineup like they would to an adult. They had each picture individually, and they showed it to her one at a time, like a deck of cards, and she picked out Anderson and then.
You know, but he wouldn't give them anything, of course. And at this point we also switched back again because it was a situation. On November night in nineteen ninety four, just a few months after Larissa Domanski vanage from the Morels parking lot, there was a pretty young woman, a business woman by the name of Amy Anderson, no relation to Robert Anderson, of course, and she was in town
visiting a friend. And as she's driving back home to a small town about fifteen miles outside of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, a car is driving right on her bumper. Her rear bumper head lights are right shining in her car. The car passes her and it's two men in a vehicle and they looked at the two women and then they go in front of them. They slowed out. So Amy Anderson on the dark road, pulled around and tries
to pass that vehicle. The vehicle tailgates again and then goes around the two women for a second time and goes up over the hill. Now, as Amy Anderson continues to drive, all of a sudden, she hits something in the road. A metallic thud clunks underneath her vehicle. Well, she takes her friend home a few miles later, drops her off, and then she's gonna proceed back home. And as she's driving along, it's apparent that her tire is going flat. She's hit something that's made her tire go flat.
She pulls over, and a minute or so later, sure enough, here comes that same car that had tailgated her when she was taking her friend home. Pulls over. A man gets out. He's got a baseball cap on a little bit of facial hair, and she assumes he's a good samaritan even though he tailgated her, and she says thanks for stopping to help, and she opens the trunk to get in, and right when she's reaching into the trunk, the man grabs a hold of her and tries to
drive gro over and pull her into the vehicle. Well, this Amy Anderson struggles and fights and finally is able to break loose and sprints down the dark highway in shear terror. And just thankfully there's two young teenage girls who come up over the hill in the dark. Amy jumps up and down, waves her hands. She jumps in with these two teenage girls, and the two assailants that almost tried to snatch her on the road pull a
U turn and take off. She hears them say let's get out of here, and so they feel out that this case possibly is connected as well, which it surely does turn out to be.
And Amy was so lucky. There are some pretty remote roads in that area, and at night you might go quite some time before somebody else comes along.
Yeah, just you just pure luck that two teenage kids happened to be driving up over the hill right when she's trying to escape being abducted.
Now, let's get back to the search that's being conducted. Interesting, while he is being interviewed, while Anderson is being interviewed, while he's not under arrest, they have the ability to get the search warrants, and with the search warrants come the searches of the various things that are important and
end up being important in this case. So what do they get the search warrants for, and even in the preliminary search before the bronco was sent to the state lab, what are some of the things that investigators are finding in that search and where do they search?
Well, they were able to get search warrants for Robert Anderson's house, for his bronco, and also to search him personally good body, search his body and.
In the bronco and ends up being full of suspicious items.
Dan the pack rat.
Yeah, but for your listeners, they find some strained stuff in their duct tape that's been ripped off. They find ether and tear gas. They find receipts for washing paint and paint brushes in one of the toolboxes. The investigators started nicknaming that the torture box. They find found eyebowls and chains and these long nine inch wooden dowels. And the most disturbing find was they could tell there was a homemade bondage board that fit right in the back.
The rear seats had been removed from that bronco and it was a three quarter inch plywood board with eye rings in the corner. You could tell it was a bondage board. And it had indoor outdoor carpet glued to it. And so they knew they had something bizarre.
Now back at the home, and then in their home they found again the home was just packed with stuff. They could hardly get through the hallway, but they did find on one pair of jeans a dark stain on the crotch, which would turn out to be important. And the reason that stain was there is when they searched Robert Anderson, they found out that were underwear. He never wore underwear. If he had, that stain wouldn't have been there, and we'll get to that later. They found huge rolls
of duct tape. He really had a thing about duct tape. They found handcuff keys and strange sharp metal objects, so it was a flat piece of metal that you could lay on something. And then a point sticking out of it. That weed on welded on, and they had no idea.
What that was for.
They didn't know it was if it was a homemade weapon, some kind of a bondage torture item. But they found these strange sharp metal objects.
And then I'll go back to one thing that they found in his toolbox, and that was some plants. And they weren't dried, they were still kind of they were green. And they thought, well, that could end up being something. But you know, in any remote area, you have weeds and grasses and stuff all over, So what's the likelihood that it would really end up being something?
Yeah? Yeah, they were hoping these chunks of vegetation that they found in the back of the bronco might lead to a crime scene.
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They could find where this veget what the vegetation was, and where it could be found.
In this interrogation, in this questioning, he's playing cat and mouse. But throughout this whole thing, there is a singular priority for investigators that are questioning, yes, what is that priority and how do they how do they customize what they're saying and doing in order to be able to fulfill that priority.
Well, first of all, Anderson was not under arrest. They didn't have anything to arrest him for, so therefore they didn't have to read him his Miranda rights. And as they went on in the interview, he eventually starts saying, well, maybe I should have a lawyer, and I think I want to leave now. And they'd say, well, sure you can leave, but I think you're going to want to
know what we found out. They have ways of keeping him there, and so they did, but they knew that at some point a judge was going to rule that they couldn't use any more information that they got from Anderson. So here's their rock in the hard place. But they want and yeah, they want Anderson to admit that he did it. But if he does admit that, it's going
to be inadmissible. But that's not their priority. Their priority is thinking Piper could still be alive, and if they scare him off and they push too hard, he might leave. And depending on where he has Piper, you know, she could be in a small place, she could you know, probably be confined, she can't get away, she could end up dying. And so they really there their concerns they want to find Piper. They don't want to push too hard,
but they want to push hard enough. So they give him an out and say, you know, where do you think somebody might take someone like Piper if they had her. They're trying to get him, and then they even say they have an information that she's still alive. He just doesn't budge at all.
Will really try to push him over the top. Hey, Robert, can you help us out with this? Yeah, there's still things that may be gone a little far. Can you help us find Piper? We think she's still alive. And their main part is trying to find Piper. They think she might still be alive, and you've got her held captive somewhere, and they're so worried.
Her life is in their hands and if they say the wrong thing or they don't say the right thing, she'll lose her chance and they'll lose her.
But they have to let him go. They don't have enough to arrest.
Him on.
And so he goes off.
Well how do police proceed? They know they have their man, but they can't make the arrest. So obviously they're very anxious to be able to gather the evidence they need to be able to make an arrest. How do they proceed in what's their first lead or break that helps them?
Well, if we say in the book man, it's almost like even nature was trying to help nail this guy. The plant, those pieces of vegetation were sent to the Southapota State University lab and a botanist was asked to identify him and it turned out to be black snake root with one of the plants. And so they asked the botanists if he could go and then maybe identify where this black snake root could be found.
He said it would only be in a place where there was shade, and there wasn't cattle graze, and it would have to be undisturbed.
Yes, And so they get a helicopter and they take this botanists agrees to fly. He knows how important it is to try to find where this plant might have grown. So they fly him around out by the Lake Vermilion area, out by the Striley residents where that black bronco was seen. And the botanist said, no, no, no, this plant wouldn't grow anywhere around here. We need to go east east of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, over by the river the Big Sioux River. I think we might find an area
that would be conducive there. So the helicopter goes back and they start flying along the Big Shoe River that runs along South Dakota and Shoe Falls, South Dakota, and the botan says, hey, down there, that looks like an area where black snake rud might be found. So the helicopter lands and they start looking around, and the botanist says, yes, if it was me, I'd be looking in this area.
So the investigators bring a bunch of volunteer police officers and off duty investigators and they start looking around this area where the botanists says, I'd be looking. They find a roll of a chunk of duct tape and they gather around it and it's got some hairs attached to it, and that right away didn't set with them. There'd be no reason for any duct tape to be found in this area. Now, when Piper went missing, she was wearing
a black and white striped night shirt. They found a half of a black and white striped night shirt near that duct tape. It had been cut down in the middle and ripped off, and so the night shirt had been cut in half. They have a roll, some chunks of duct tape, They found a burnt candle, and they found a battery operated vibrator. So they had the secret crime location.
And this was all within a couple hundred yards of each other.
Yeah, so they knew, they knew they had it. And lo and behold, a citizen that was just the day that Piper went missing, was driving down the highway not too far from where the botanists pulled them to look, and they found a Piper's night shirt cut in half. There's another half of a black and white striped shirt laying on the highway, and a citizen picks it up. He was just going to use it as a rag to clean his car, and it lo and behold. It turned out to be the other half of Piper's shirts, which.
Helps them figure out when she was abducted and where he took her.
So you also, yeah, go ahead, you also talk about that that at that time, they also searched with cadaver dogs and even brought in the famous necro Search institution to come and take a look to see if the body was on this property or anywhere near this vicinity, didn't.
They Yes, right, And necro search can find bodies that have been buried dozens of years ago. They can find bodies buried in the water. And it turned up nothing. They searched all over they just couldn't find it.
And they brought the National Guard out there. They went online. They spent tons and tons of time trying to find pipered bodies.
They had citizens searches, they had people from all over the state who had rescue dogs bring them in, people on horseback, looking through areas that are hard to get to on foot. They didn't. They found a lot of unusual things, but nothing ended up being evidence.
So and here's the deal. So they found a couple Tuman head hairs on the bondage board in the back of Anderson's bronco. At this point, we'll tell the listeners they've made the determination that Robert Leeway Anderson had painted his bronco black with washable paint on the days that he abducted Piper and the day he came out to abduct Piper when Van sansered the door of the Friday before he got scared off by the husband being there.
They've come to the conclusion, which they were correct, Anderson had painted his bronco black with washable paint, and that's why his bronco was blue and not black. And they found two human heerents on his bondage boards from the back of his his bronco, and forensic said it was Piper Strilly. Now, let's go to the red stain, the dark stain that was in the crouch of his underwear
on the day that Piper went missing. She was menstruating, Okay, and Anderson never wore underwear, so obviously Piper's blood was in his blue jeans after she had been obviously raped and murdered. Very disheart Now, right.
Now, they also find the idea that he had a nine millimeter gun. Where do they get corroboration despite him saying he didn't have a license or didn't have a handgun at all. Yeah, where did they get that information?
Yeah? Well they found they first of all is tell the listeners that they found a spent nine millimeter bullet casing in the Striley driveway.
Okay, that was right away, right when she disappeared.
Yes, right when she disappeared. And Shane of the Little Girl said, a loud noise went off and mommy said for me to get Nathan and run and hide. That's when Robert Anderson had come to their place the morning to abduct Piper right out of her home.
But he denied having a handgun, never had used for one. But they interviewed two different people, someone from work and another person who said one person had gone out target shooting with him. They went back to the place where they'd gone target shooting and found shells that matched the shell that they found in the Striley driveway. And then there was another person who said that he'd gone hunting with Anderson and he had a handgun. He had a handgun, but they could not find the handgun.
They could not find the handgun, They could not find any other uh so they didn't have a body. We've got no body for Larissa Domanski, who's disappeared from the Moral parking lot. We have no body for Piper.
Striley, but a lot of circumstantial evidence, and circumstantial evidence is usable, but.
Not really for a murder.
They didn't right.
The authorities decided that they didn't want to go after this guy for murder. They didn't have a body. They thought he could maybe get a quit.
It and they might find the body later on, and then because the double jeopardy, they wouldn't be able to try him, so they try him just for kidnapping.
And so now your former Attorney General Larry Long comes into the scene, who helped advise on this book for us. He is part of the prosecution team to go after Anderson for kidnap. First degree kidnap is what they're going after him for because they can get a life sentence on that.
And when Larry Long and the team got the binder on this, there was not much evidence in it. Some of the evidence we've been talking about is what Larry Long and his team gathered. They're the ones who sent in the hair to get it analyzed. They sent in the genes to get it analyzed.
Yes, and that's why we can tell you that the hairs were Piper Strilly and the blood on the crotch of his blue genes were Piper Strilly's blood.
The most important we've got, Antina, most incredible testimony is yet to come though, from anyone from witnesses. How did we come to find out about Glenn Walker and tell us about the relationship between Anderson and Walker and how far it went back?
Well, yeah, well, so now we're involved in a kidnapped trial. And Anderson had tried to get some childhood friends involved in abducting and raping women with him. One of his friends outright turned him down. He kept trying to talk his friend into it. This friend kept turning him down. He had another friend by the name of Glenn Walker. Well, Glenn Walker, eventually it was the dominant personality over the
weaker personality. Glenn Walker eventually gets involved in the same Now at this point, Larry Long, the prosecutor, the investigators don't really know how Glenn Walker's involved. But while Robert le Roy Anderson is standing trial for the kidnap, Glenn Walker calls a coworker and leaves a voice message on the tape recording phone message machine and says, we need to tell the authorities that Robert Anderson was out looking for a new church for his family to go to.
That way, it'll take away some of the pre medication for this kidnap trial. So the authorities knew that this Glen Walker was involved somehow, but they didn't know how. They didn't know how deep he was involved. So they used a trick on Glen Walker. They subpoened him and made him come to the kidnap trial now. Larry Long told us we really didn't have any intention of getting Glenn Walker up on the stands because we didn't know
where he fit into this picture. But Dan, they were trying to make Glen Walker nervous, make him come and set every day at the trial. Every day am I going to get called up and put this pressure on him? And by gosh, it worked. During the kidnapp trial, Glenn Walker approached the Attorney General Mark Barnett, who was on the case, and said, if I can get some kind of immunity, I will tell you and show you where Larissa Domanski, who disappeared from Morel's is buried. Well, the
authority said, yes, we're interested in this, Glenn. We'd like to know where Larissa's body is. Right now, we have to finish his kidnap trials. Okay, I want you to talk to somebody else and deal with them and try to show them where this body is. And we're going to finish this kidnap trial and then we'll deal with you. So the kidnap trial goes on now. One of the interesting things for your listeners, uh, Dan, is Shana. She was three and a half years old. She's now turned four.
She is an eyewitness to her mother getting abducted. There was a big legal debate between Larry Long, the prosecutors, and the defense attorneys for Robert Lee Ray Anderson. Should a four year old little girl testify? Is she old enough to either understand her you know the oath that she has to take. Is she going to be reliable the defense at Hernie, we're very concerned. They said, it is our right to cross examine that little girl, and people aren't going to like us when we cross examine her.
We're going to take her every which way. But Louis, you know how this goes. We don't want this little girl to testify. Well, the judge determines that she is old enough to understand the old she will testify about her mother's kidnapper, and she will be allowed to be cross examined by the defense. So everybody's on pins and needles on how sheen is going to do at the kidnap trial. Is she going to be able to tell about the mean man that carried her mommy away during
this trial? And it's just the most heart wrenching thing.
But before we tell you about that, at the same time. Let's jump back to Glenn Walker because this is going on at the same time, and the relationship between Glenn Walker and Anderson is interesting. They're co dependent. They met each other in element coatary school. Glenn Walker was quiet, he was shy, he was awkward, he kind of struggled. He needed Robert Anderson because Anderson was smart and smooth and suave, and he could tell people to go wherever
he wanted to tell him to go. And Anderson needed Walker because he could control Walker and he needed someone to control. So that had been their relationship since elementary school. Walker said I did the heavy lifting and Anderson did the thinking. And that came to be true in the trials as well. So while all of this is going on with Shana also Glenn Walker, they send Glenn Walker to talk to another authority and they say to Glenn, well, what do you need immunity from? You know, you say,
whereis his body is? What do you need immunity from? And Glenn says, well, I know where her body is buried. And this investigator is very smart. He says, that's not a crime.
I know where somebody is Rocky Robert told me where he so we'd like.
To know where she is, but you don't need immunity. Well, in this back and forth conversation, Glenn Walker thinks he has immunity, but the authorities did not grant him munity.
He never signed any immunity papers. Glenn Walker ends up leading the authorities to Larissa Demansky's grave and never got any immunity for it.
But there's a surprise when they go to her grave. She is not there.
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but he doesn't. But the one interesting thing is that this Leroy Anderson, Robert Lee Roy Anderson, doesn't trust anyone, and so what does he do in terms of that grave to thwart any kind of potential snitching from Glenn Walker.
What Glenn Walker didn't know is about a year prior to Robert Leroy being arrested for the abduction of Piper, Robert Anderson doesn't trust Walker. In the darken night, he goes back out to Larissa's grave and digs up her skeletal remains, hacks him apart with a shovel, puts them in a bag, puts them in his car seat. He takes the skull, breaks all the teeth out of it, so any dental records, and he goes scattering Larissa's bones all over the countryside, throwing them in lakes, rivers, in
deep wooded ravines. He throws who remained all over the place. So now when authorities go back to uncover her grave, they're wondering why they only found a couple of small bone fragments and a few pieces of cloth that looked like pieces of blue jean. They're wondering, you know, how animals couldn't have spread this body that far and completely got rid of it. So they're kind of, yeah, they're
mystified at what happened to her. Well, unknown to the authorities, Robert Anderson had gone back, but of course he couldn't get rid of every piece of her body. There was some bone fragments that were left there. So now the authorities have some bone fragments from the grave that Glenn Walker said Robert Anderson killed the wrists of Domanski when he snatched her from the Morauth parking lot. This is where he buried her and the bone fragments are now
sent to the forensic lab for DNA testing. While the Kidnapp trial is going on, I think we probably want to finish just a little bit about Shane for your listeners. It's kind of interesting. On the day that Shana was to testify at the Kidnapp trial, now they had one of the They didn't have Shana testify in the courtroom. They didn't want her to see Robert Lee ray Anderson, so they took Shana to a room at the local library and they set up a camera. Is that the
people are back to the courtroom. Robert Lee ray Anderson and his attorneys could see Shana, and the spectators could see Shana, and they had a female attorney question her, and a judge was at the at the library.
It was someone Shana had experienced with, someone she knew.
Yes, and so Shana had been working with a child psychiatrist because of the trauma that she had suffered by seeing her mom carried away. So Shana had had a security blanket she had with her anytime people were questioning or talking to her, and if Shana felt like she was getting too upset, she could cover herself with this blanket. And then everybody knew that she didn't want to talk anymore. So the female attorney lays out the photo lineup again and says, honey, can you show me the mean man
that took your dad took your mommy? And Shana sets her and she shook her head no, and she tried again, and she grabbed her little blanket and pulled it up over her head and laid down and curled up in the fetal position.
And at that point she just slowly pulled this little comfort blanket that she had. She pulled it around her tighter and tighter, tighter, and everyone in the room could just see her little body laying there, and it brought everyone to tears.
But Larry Long was ready to go on. The Dave Piper went missing and she didn't show up for work.
Her husband Vance called home and she was running late for work, and the Striley's had an answering machine at their house recording a phone recording machine, and when the phone rang, Shana picked it up just like she did when the co worker had call, but Vans didn't hear her pick up the phone, so he hung up, but the recorder kept playing, and that recording was played for everybody in the courtroom during the Kidnapp trial, and Shanean's
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Voice during that trial and it turned turned the jury to the prosecution and probably Ory Anderson has bowed guilty of kidnapp and is eventually sentenced to a life sentence in prison.
And that's where things get interesting.
Yeah, now the book really starts getting interesting.
Now do you talk about Larry Long and the other prosecutors. What is their goal now in terms of obviously they want to charge him for murder and prosecuting for murder, but kidnapping without a body was a long shot as it was, So how do they what do they have to get together to be able to ensure that this guy can be prosecuted for murder.
In the process dan of them pulling together the forensics on the grave that was ends up being Larissa Damanski's grave. Robert le Or Anderson is now locked up in maximum security prison. He's housing the the infamous ad SAG Administrative Segregation Wing, which is a prison within a prison only the worst of the worst. For howes there and people that are on death row. Well, Anderson, because he was a notorious, high profile criminal, was hows an ad say. He ends up being cell mates with a man by
the name of Jeremy Bruner. Jeremy Bruner is cunning. He spent most of his life in lock up from the time he was a teenager. This tackey Robert Leroy Anderson is now he's out of his lead, he's out of his element in prison, He's never been there. And he's got a twenty two year old roommate by the name of Jeremy Bruner, who is sharp, he knows his way around, and he is going to slick and he's going to con Anderson into revealing all of Anderson's dark truth.
So it's such a mismatch. Jeremy Bruner practically grew up in the penal system. Although he's only twenty two. He's one of those people who almost like in Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal Lecter, he can look at somebody and tell all about them. He was that kind of person. He could read people so well. And Robert Anderson had not a clue about how the prison system worked. And so you you have those two people working against each other. It's no surprise who comes out on top.
And Brunner, Jeremy Bruner had put the word out which was not true within the printicism that he sidestepped and got out of a murder charge, a first degree murder charge in the state of Oklahoma. And Robert Leroy Anderson, now that he's a sell mat with him, is very interested in how did Jeremy Brunner beat a murder charge? And Bruner said, hmm, I pinned the evidence on somebody else. And Anderson said, do you think you could help me pin my crimes on somebody else? Hmm. Now Bruner's got him.
So Brunner starts. He takes his time and he tells Anderson, Okay, we can pin your crimes onto somebody else, but we need things. My brother on the outside will help with this. We'll find a guy that has no alibi and will pin these murders of these women onto best guy.
But in order to do that, we're going to need evidence that you have from Piper and Larissa to plant somewhere.
Yes, we have to plant some hard evidence on this guy who has no alibi. Brunner calls him mister ghost. We'll plant this evidence on mister ghost. So, Robert, you need to tell us everything you know about these murders, everything the cops know, and even things that the cops don't know, and we need evidence to plant. Well, like all serial killers, Robert Leroy Anderson had taken souvenirs off
Larissa Domanski and Piper Strilly. He had saved them in his childhood bedroom up in the Raptors in his mom's home, along with the nine millimeter handgun that he did fire in the Strilly home and out in the driveway when he was carrying Piper away.
Now, Jeremy and Robert Anderson have several conversations because Jeremy's leading him on, saying, I think I can help you, but I'm going to need to know this. Well, let me see, let me talk to my sources. He doesn't come right out and say, yeah, I can help you. He's acting hard to get yeah, and so Anderson bit by bit, and Jeremy knows that any criminal isn't going to tell everything at once, so he keeps getting more and more information from Anderson and tell he thinks he
has enough to go to the authorities. And Bruner is torn because there's that criminal code, you're not supposed to snitch on anyone. But he feels like Anderson's crimes are so horrific that Anderson does not fall under that protective umbrella that criminals are supposed.
To like, yeah, a pedophile is not going to be protected in a prison. And Bruner felt that he really wasn't going to be being a snitch because what Robert Lee Ray Anderson did, he did it in front of the little kids, and he left little children motherless. Brunner becomes kind of a likable guy in this book. Obviously we can't tell you everything about it.
He is for whatever he did. You can't help but this guy. And Larry Long described him as being just as tall standing up as laying down. He weighed he four.
One hundred and forty pounds, right, but he was just hardcore and so Brunner gets Anderson to tell him where his brother on the outside, or Bruner's brother can go and get these pieces of jewelry that he took as souvenir duff Larissa and Piper and the handcuffs, and we're gonna end a nine millionte pistol and we're gonna plant it all on to this mister ghost. We're gonna plant
this stuff on him. We'll make this guy get arrested, and a good attorney should get you acquitted and get you out of prison.
But again, Jeremy still still kind of torn. He has to talk to some family members and say should I be doing this and they're saying, O, yes, this is a horrible crime. So he ends up going to someone at the prison and saying, I need to talk to the attorney general, and they kind of laugh at him. You know, prisoners go to want somebody had to talk to them. Every day. They know somebody did something, but usually there's no evidence to back it up. They say go ahead.
Well, so Brunner says, I want to talk to the attorney general, the state attorney general all on this, and the person in the prison says, hey, look, Brunner the state's attorney general is not going to hop down here just because you say you know something. To get a murder conviction against Robertlee or Anderson, you have to give us something more than that. So Brunner says, okay.
Now, now, a less experienced person would have just told everything they knew. But Jeremy thought for a minute, and he thought of the one piece of evidence he could tell them.
He tells the authorities, you think that Robert Lee R. Anderson took that little Nathan's playtent that day when he abducted Piper to wrap her body in. But you've got it wrong. When Anderson was struggling with Piper in the house, his nine millimeter went out. It shot a hole through that kid's playtent and shot a hole into the floor of that little kid's bedroom. If you go out there and you pull the carpetbacks, you're going to find a
bullet hole in that little boy's bedroom. Okay. Now, after you go do that, you come back and talk to me. So the authorities went out there, they pulled the carpet back, they found a bullet hole just as Jeremy Bruner described it. They inserted a rod to get the angle that went through the foreboard of the house. It was actually a
trailer house. They went underneath the trailer house and with their bare hands, the authorities dug and they found the nine millimeter slug that went through Nathan's bedroom floor when Anderson's gun went off and shot a hole through the tenth.
Obviously, nobody would know that unless Anderson had confided in them. So the Attorney General and Larry Long OpEd in a plane and they come down to Super Bowl.
They strike a deal with Jeremy Bruner and they're going to give Jeremy Bruner a reduced sentence. He's going to get out of prison, but they want him to reveal where the nine millimeter handgun, the souvenir jewelry is. The handcuffed and Bruner tells them he draws a map or Anderson drew a map to where the stuff was, and it was writing his childhood bedroom up in the raptors of the ceiling. Now they have the DNA evidence has come back from the bone fragments. Yes it was Larissa Domanski.
Glenn Walker says that Anderson murdered Larissa Domanski. They have the jewelry off the women and they have Bruner to test by. Now they've got murder charges against Robert Leroy Anderson.
How do they proceed with that and also how do they come to learn about Jamie Hammer.
Jamie Hammer was the other for your listeners, we said quite a while ago that Anderson had two child good friends that he tried to get involved with abducting and raping women with him. One was Glenn Walker, who, by the way, did help ubductor Marissa Domanski from the parking lot that night at Morales where she was working. Glenn Walker was involved in that. Jamie Hammer was Robert Henderson's
other childhood friend that he grew up with. He kept trying to entice Jamie Hammer into into getting involved, and Jamie Hammers kept telling him, no, I'm not I'm not going to do that.
Jamie adamantly refused.
He said, I'm not going to get involved in that stuff. And you know, so they get Jamie Hammer to testify. Actually, Robert Lee Ray Anderson owned a vehicle and his friend, childhood friend, bought it from him and that car is what he put Larissa Domanski's body in when he took her out to Barrier and when Jamie Hammer bought the car. He told his friend, see that trunk right there, that's where Larissa Domanski's body was after I killed her and I took her out to barrier.
That was after Jamie had the car.
So now Larry Long and the prosecutors, they have the inevidence, They have Glenn Walker, they have Jamie Hammer, the other child's good friends testimony. They have all the souvenir jewelry. They have the gun. They have the bullet slug that she went through the through the floorboard of the little boy's bedroom. Match ballistics mashed it to the handgun that they found in Robert LeRoy's childhood bedroom, rafters up in
the ceiling. They had all this stuff, and so now you've got a murder trial, first green murder trial with the death penalty attached.
He also explained the the tire poppers as well in their role.
That's right, Jamie Hammer explained what those sharp objects were. That was Robert LeRoy's Anderson's. One of his plans was to make these tire poppers scope out pretty young girls, follow them, pass him up in a car, get a to them, stop, put one of these tire poppers in the road. Flatten their tired just like he did that Amy Anderson out of that dark highway that night when
she had to fight for her life. And Jamie Hammer identified those tire poppers as what Robert le Roy Anderson was making and putting together to try to flatten women's tires so that he could snatch them. And now the mystery of those poppers, those sharp metal objects. He had several different designs for popping and disabling tired on women's vehicles. And he even told Jamie Hammer, I want you to
get involved. That will use walkie talkies. One car will be down the road, one car will pass up a female, put the tired popper in her place, disabled her vehicle, and they will both go and snatch her where we can take her off and rape her.
That Hammer was not interested in abducting anybody, Nope.
But he eventually got his child good friend Glenn Walker involved. It's such a twisted case.
You talk about Brunner's testimony about Piper's demise at trial too, so the horrific details are testified to at trial about what actually.
Yeah, Anderson told Brunner in graphic detail what he did to uh Larissa Domanski when he abducted her from the parking lot. Him and Glenn Walker abducted her from the parking lot at the Morel's meat packing plant, and he telled Brunners the details of uh Piper's.
Death too for dramatic purposes. What is brought into the courtroom for jurisy see.
Well, you know, a slew of evidence. One of the things your your your listeners may find interesting is during the jury selection. You know they wanted it's a it's a real knack to pick the right kind of a jury that can come back and vote to kill somebody. So they were really taking a long, tedious amount of time,
and Robert Anderson could not control himself. He legally could be present at the selection of the jury, but he would set and spare at women and looked him up and down and spare at their private parts so much to the point where three women told the judge they don't care what happened to him. They refuse to go back in the same room with that man. He was just so perverse and so dangerous.
And they had all of the evidence. They had each piece of evidence in a bag laid out on a table, and at the end they went through each piece of evidence held it up, reminded everyone what it was for. The duct tape. Everything else there poppers and the tire poppers. And they saved the bondage board for the very end.
They will When they wieled the bondage board in you could have heard a pin drop in the courtroom.
It went.
It just spoke for itself. It was almost like truf just the fact that it was.
There, especially after Brunner had testified of how Piper died on that bondage board.
And now a little bit more about Brunner. He had a tough go A lot of the inmates resented him for going to court on this. They threw urine at him, they threatened him, and he didn't care. He thought it was so wrong that Anderson had destroyed these two families, taken mothers away from children. He didn't care what he personally had to go through. He was going to give
this testimony. In fact, when he was done, he talked to one of the parents of the women who died and let them know everything that Vanilson told answered all their questions.
He did not have to You didn't have to do that. Another thing, I'll tell you something kind of interesting your listeners dan about out Jeremy Bruner. He was just a character too. The prosecution had spent all this time, they had the jury selected, and Bruner now has been brought into test by a few days. And when they're in a side room during a recess during the trial, Bruner goes to the Attorney General, one of the main prosecutors, and he said, hey, look, I think you're going to
have a mistrial here. You know, I'm a big drug dealer, and I see one of your jurors that you got set in there. He's one of my clients. He's a big time drug dealer and he's a criminal himself, and I think this is going to be as soon as that word gets out, this is going to be a mistrial.
The attorney general went read, he started.
To and then Bruner let him set up for a second. Bruner said, nah, man, I'm just kid. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of Bruner's character. He was messing with the South Dakota Attorney General telling him he was going to have a mistrial after they put all this work in because one of the jurg was one of Bruner's clients.
You talked about you talked about John Well, we didn't mention him by name, but John Potts, the father was banned from the court room. He tell us about this story to tell and the only I guess relief he got was he was able to talk to Brunner, and bruner was able to ask answer questions that he had that of course he didn't get to see at the court. Tell us a little bit about John Potts.
Well, obviously he was devastated he'd lost his daughter. He was just devastated.
Well, and you know, there was a lot of a lot of people hated Robert Lee Roy Anderson when work came out of what he did to those women, even around the community. I mean there was They had to take a lot of security at the court trials. Well, Piper's dad, John Potts her maiden name obviously with Potts it with Piper Potts before she married Van Strilly. Piper's Dad's drives all the way up from Texas to attend every day of the trial. The kidnap trial. Now, remember
they're not going after the death sentence. They're only going after first degree kidnapped for life in prison. The prosecutors had to do that. They didn't have a body even though everybody knew he murdered those women. Well, John Potts, Piper's dad, was extremely distraught and upset. He would set in the witness in the spectator section and he would extend his arm and act as if he had an invisible pistol, and he would plant at his Anderson and
pull the trigger over and over on his invisible pistol. Well, the security guards were watching this pretty close at the trial. They thought that was pretty odd. Then the next day, John Potts comes in. He sets by a window where the sunlight's coming in, and he pulls out a little handheld mirror and he deflects the sunlight off the mirror into the eyes of Robert Anderson while he's setting over
there at his table with his attorneys. Now the security guards go grab John Potts, Piper's dad, and they take him out, and they go get the prosecuting attorneys and they tell him that he's been doing this stuff, pointing the you know, invisible goune reflecting the light sunlight into Robert Leeright Anderson's eyes, and the South Put Attorney General Mark Barnett says, look, what are you doing? And John Potts says, you guys aren't going after the death penalty.
You're only going after the kidnap and in a prison sentence. You guys won't kill him. I'm going to kill this guy. And Mark Barnett, the Attorney General, says, look, mister Potter, take it back right now. Tell me you did not mean that. And John Pott says, I mean it. This guy's dead. You guys won't execute him. I'm going to kill this guy. He took my daughter. I'm going to kill him. Can't blame him, which you can't blame him. I mean, he's just devastated. So now they go get
the judge, and the judge gives him a chance. You know, you got to say that you didn't mean this, and he says, nope, I'm telling you the same thing. You do what you gotta do. I'm going to kill this guy. So Piper's dad, John Potts, is banned from attending the
trial anymore. In fact, if he's going to stay in town, a criminal investigation agent would come and meet with him every morning and sit in the Continental Breakfast area of his motel, and once there seated, the agent would call and that's when Robert Lee R. Anderson would be transported from the county jail to the courthouse now wearing a bulletproof vest every single day, and when the trial was ended for the day, John Potts, Piper's dad would have
to again be sitting in the Continental breakfast area of the motel with the agent and then they would transport Robert Lee or Anderson back to the county jail till the next day's trial would go on. And that's how it happened. So now we come back again to Jeremy Bruner after that the trial is all over. Jeremy Bruner did not have to do this, but he said, let me meet with Piper's dad and I will tell him anything he wants to know that I said in the
trial that he didn't get to hear. And John Potts did meet with Jeremy Bruner before he was taken back to prison Jeremy Bruner, and he told John Potts everything he wanted to know. If I'll give you a little bit about why Jeremy Bruner is a likable guy, he goes beyond just being a prison snitch. He's a pretty likable guy when and there support. There's a lot more in the book that we can't go into but Runner becomes a pretty likable guy.
You talk about him being a likable guy but also doing the right thing. But Larissa's husband, Bill Dumanski, here's the guy that tell us about this trip to Russia to get blood samples prior to the trial. Incredible story, right, Well, they.
Had the bone fragments from Larissa that they had no DNA from her or from the family. So Bill was already planning to go back to Russia. Well, they have a different your medical system than we do here. So they said, Bill, you're going to have to learn to draw blood from her relatives so you can bring their blood back, and we can have right from Waris's mom and dad, so we can have you know, we can see what their DNA is, so we can show what her DNA is, so that we can show that these
bone fragments are hers. So he goes back to Russia, he draws blood from her relatives, has to bring it back with him. Otherwise they couldn't have proven that those bone fragments belonged to Larissa.
And that's kind of interesting, and your heart.
Just breaks for Bill. I mean, he waited years thinking that she was being held somewhere he held out that hope. He kind of got scammed by some people who said that they could.
He got scammed by some psychics that told her told him that she was being held captive against her will, that she was still alive. And Bill loved Larissa so much. He always hoped that she would just return. You know, as horrible as it is that to think that she'd been held captive somewhere, you know, it was better them thinking she was dead. But then when when he saw Larissa's necklace that Robert Lee ry Anderson took off her for a souvenir, and that then he realized he broke
down and he realized his wife was dead. It was a very heartbreaking situation. At that point in the book, there was.
Tell us about more about what was done at this death penalty case, because as you're write, he wasn't given just any appointed lawyers. He was given a very very reputable and high profile team and they fought hard in his defense. How did he accept or not accept that legal advice? And tell us a little bit more about this fight that they were unsuccessful.
But I'll take any answer that you know, I'll let Sandy nsa. But I want to I want to say something that you might not think about it. That is a different philosophy state. The state down here in the United States, South Dakota just has the philosophy to give a first degree death sentence case the best.
Lawyers, okay, right, because otherwise what happens is someone's found guilty and then they say, well I didn't have good lawyers, and then they go to trial again and it's just drug out over and over. So they start a high profile case with the best team they can find. So he had the a team. He had a great team of lawyers, and then he's found out during.
During the trial, one of the one of the agents that worked with us for the book, he said he happened to be walking past a private room where Robert Lee ray Anderson was in with his attorneys, and Robert Lee ray Anderson is screaming and yelling his attorney. He's telling them how to do this and how to do that. And he got and this investigator said, you know, here's a guy that's got the best attorneys that money can buy,
and he is so arrogant. He's screaming and yelling at these guys and telling them how to do their job at his trial.
And when the trial is over and he's found guilty, the first thing he does is start blaming his lawyers. They didn't pick the right jury, they weren't competent. He said, I demand that they find the bodies of these women so that it will prove that I'm not guilty.
Yeah, he's just a total deviant creep. You know.
In the death penalty case is you write very much use the OJ Simpson case as an example, very much like a civil case, another phase of a case, that being the other phase of the death penalty case. Evidence that wouldn't be admitted admissible in the trial part, in the penalty phase part. So we get to hear from Amy Anderson. Yeah.
Now see for your listeners, Amy Anderson, that almost got abducted on that dark highway. She was not allowed to testify in the kidnap or the murder trial because it.
Wasn't directly related to Piper.
Or LARIZI yeah, that would be hearsay. You know, as crazy as the laws seem, her almost being abducted by somebody doesn't warrant that. But everybody knew it was connected. So when it comes time for the death penalty phase, of the trial. Now the rules changed. Now the prosecution can present to the jury a whole bunch of other stuff to prove this guy's such an evil dude. He does deserve to die. You deserve to kill this person. The state deserves to put a needle in this guy's
arm and kill him. So now they bring everything they'd come blazing with both barrels. Now they bring an Amy Anderson who tells about her terrifying experience on that dark highway and how lucky she was too young teenager to pick her up. And then then the attorneys can say, see how this guy is. He's a serial rapist, he's a serial killer, and if he is allowed to live, he runs the risk of being this horrible person that continues this stuff. He could escape from prison, He could
be released from prison sometime. He needs to die for what he did to Piper Striley, Rissa Domanski. And you can see he was ready to take other women, right.
He actually had targeted a nurse at the prison that he wanted to try to abduct or kill the race.
I mean, while he's in prison, he tells Jeremy Brunner, I like the looks of the prison nurse you know, when you and I get out of here, let's snatch her and take her and rape her and kill her.
Even in prison, people with him in prison, people weren't safe.
Now you talk about also about the deal with Glenn Walker. This deal with Glen Walker, it's this is all. One of the most incredible parts of this is that the deal that they offer him and the polygraph that they ask him for. Tell us about this deal and what's the result.
Well, here's here's the thing. They Glenn Walker never got immunity for showing where Larissa and Grave was right. And they had Jeremy Bruner's testimony that Anderson had said that that Glenn Walker was involved in helping snatch and abduct Larisa Domanski. But the prosecution wanted Glenn Walker to pay. Now they couldn't nail murder on him, so and they thought he could possibly get acquitted just because Jeremy Bruner didn't talk directly to Glenn Walker, he got her secondand
information from Anderson. So they offered Glenn Walker a deal. You can do this many years, was it a twenty years? Twenty years? But we want you to take a polygraph test and you have to clear out which means you have to answer everything that we ask you on that light detector test, and if you pass that, you only have your twenty years, but if you fail it, you get another five years added on your sentence. Well, Glenn
Walker failed two polygraph tests. Were you involved in killing Larissa Domanski?
No?
Did you have sex with Larissa Domanski?
No?
It was all these different things, and the polygraph examiner said he's lying to some of this stuff.
So they said, well, he wasn't a good polygraph examiner, we want another one. So they bring in another polygraph examiner and the exact same thing happens. So they said, Glenn, you weren't telling the truth. We're adding on five years he served, You got a twenty You got.
A twenty five year sentence. But with in South Dakota, the state of South Dakota at that time, they had good time. So if he didn't get any write ups or any proubble and all that kind stuff, So he did. I think he did about fourteen years, I believe, I can't remember the exact amount. And then he got paroled and then he left the state. He moved away. But Glenn Walker, did he did you prison time? For his part in these crimes.
Now, with Robert Lee Roy Anderson and his family, what is the again very interesting factory about what happens with other people in his family regarding prison.
Well, you know, here's the thing for your listeners. People all want to know what kind of a background did this guy have. Well, Robert le Roy Anderson, there were three boys was he had two brothers and his dad. And at one time, Robert Leroy Anderson, both of his brothers and their father were locked up in prison, all at the same.
Time, not just jail prison, yes, them.
For various crimes. So you're talking a dysfunctional family.
Now.
One of the things of interest that we didn't even have in the book at this time, and that we'll share with you that wasn't in the book.
That you read.
We had a person approached us that it was a relative of Robert le Roy Anderson. And this relative wanted to stay anonymous, but she said, when you're going around speaking to all these groups, this is nothing new, but plead for mind anybody that are raising the little boys to teach him to respect women and the value of females and the self worth of females that they're growing up to be polite, to compliment women, and to know
that they have great worth in this world. She said, Robert Lee Roy Anderson and his brothers were taught that women had they had no part in this earth. They were to be degraded, they had no value, they had no value. And she said that's part of the problem. And so she really wanted mothers and fathers that are raising little boys to know that they need to be raised to respect women. That's what the relative ask of us.
Despite the outcome of this trial with the death penalty and never get out of prison, what was his stance in terms of guilt of innocence after this?
He never admitted that he was guilty.
No, he said it wasn't him. He said he just had bad lawyer representation. And you know he's uh now he's setting on death row.
Uh.
He's in there for about four years, filing appeals, you know, eating up taxpayers money. And he never did admit to anything.
And then.
He will say he did not end up serving out his sentence.
Let's put it that way.
Yeah, Yeah, that's a Robert Lee Roy Anderson and his father also previous to that, also committed suicide.
Didn't he right, yes he did.
Yeah, So, as your listener go down, No, Robert Lee roy Anderson hung himself in his cell and his father, his own father, committed suicide just prior to Robert Lee roy Anderson. Well, you know, we you know, there's lots of interesting things about you know, obviously we can't go into great detail, but it's kind of interesting that Robert Le roy Anderson's dad commits suicide and then very shortly after that, Robert Lee Anderson commits suicide.
And you write that there was a complicated relationship that the two had, didn't they.
Right, they didn't have a good relationship. But Robert Lee roy Anderson listed his favorite song as Caps in the Cradle, which is a song about a father who doesn't have time for his son, and then when the son grows up, then he doesn't have time for the father. So it's very telling of their relationship.
One of the things we'll i tell your listeners is, as Shandy and I got involved in this project of writing this book about Robert Lee very Anderson, we kind of thought maybe he was operating on kind of a low intellectual level, but he was very a very intelligent person. He was an engineering major he was quite intelligent, and so it was able to how he was able to pull off some of these enus crimes and get away with it for as long as he did, for as
young as he was. He was only in his mid twenties, right.
He dabbled in the stock market in high school, he took advanced classes. He was mathematically very smart.
Now, very intelligent guy. And you know, his colleague professor spoke very highly of his intelligence because he.
Came across as a likable guy like Ted Bundy. He put across one persona to the people he knew, but he was a completely different person and we give examples.
Of that throughout the book too. He was able to be this one person, but.
Then this other person you could fool everybody.
Very complex.
M You don't talk about what happens to Shana in terms of a follow up, but I guess everyone would be curious because I think when you come away from reading this book, there is a even though even before you see a photo of her Shena, you have an idea of who this girl is. It's just the most vivid part of this book is how you introduce her and the horror that she has just witnessed. What about Shena today, Right, Well, she is a.
Very kind, caring person who serves your community. But the family also just wants some privacy at this point, So we didn't pull what happened to them afterwards much into the story other than that they are very good people. Their mission in life is, they're very godly people.
And we and we say that the family has the demand. Both the Damansk and the Striley families obviously such a horrible, horrible situation, they stay pretty private about it. Larry Long has kept a pretty good relationship with both the families. To prosecutor Larry Long worked because on this book, uh, you know met with Bill Domanski, and you know, the family is going to remain private. But they've all moved forward with their lives and have lived productive lives.
Right, not moved on, but moved forward forward.
And have And like we say, when when Piper and Florisa left this world, they left their children in good hands Bill and and Vance did a good job raising those kids. Let's put it that way. They went on to get college degrees, served their community. They're surrounded by children and their family photo and a very strong, happy ending for people to move forward after such a horrible.
Situation as happy as possible that way.
Absolutely, it's a remarkable story and as we've been in the introduction, it is a story of perseverance and the due diligence from police and prosecutors. It's a remarkable story and a remarkable case where justice was served. I want to thank you both Phil and Sandy Hammond for coming on and talking about Duct Tape Duck Tape Killer, The true inside story of sexual sadist and murderer Robert Leroy Anderson. For people that might want to look at more information
about this book, is there a Facebook page website? Can you tell us more about how they might take a look?
Yes, on Facebook Phil Hammon and Sandy Hammond or the website Phil hammondauthor dot com. And it's available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
It was going to be available yep, No, go ahead, sorry, go ahead.
Oh, and it will soon be available as an audiobook.
Oh fantastic. I want to thank you very much for coming on and talking about Duct Tape Killer. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you very much. Congratulations on this book. It's fantastic. You have a great evening.
Thank you very much for the same of you.
Yeah, thank you, good night night.