BEYOND AVERY ROAD-Chad Spencer Keller

his chances of winning the suit. However, the Wisconsin Department of Justice argues that it was impossible for any such frame job to ever have happened. Though could the framing be probable if the mo was political? What did Netflix making a murderer miss? The political story behind Stephen avery

saga has remained untold until now. Possibly the most gripping political thriller you'll be reading in twenty seventeen, thirty seven years experience on the newsroom floor, and I've never witnessed what every journalist should be asking our legislators about the possible corruption in our American justice system. Keller's delivery is provocative and exposes a much needed change in criminal reform.

The book that we're featuring this evening is Beyond Avery, Road, Beauting and the Beast, with my special guest, Chad Spencer Keller. Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. Chad Spencer Keller. Good evening, Chad, Good evening, Chad Spencer Keller.

everybody aware that governmental misconduct is real. It exits coast to coast, and there was some very disturbing things I found out during this case, so I wanted to write a book about it.

In this you say that Stephen Avery didn't choose Jerome Butting, but rather the other way around. So let's begin where you look at this story and what you purport in this book is to look and ask some questions of Jerome Butting. So let's for our audience ask those questions about Jerome Butting that you do in this book.

of that wrongful conviction of Stephen Avery. And for Jerome Bewden to have been working this exoneration and then become involved in Stephen Avery's murder trial two years two and three years later, he shouldn't have been there. It's a complete conflict of interest. They have made an Avery task Force on Steven's name in his behalf to attack these political issues. Well, that task force got renamed to the Criminal Justice Study Commission only two months before Teresa Hallback

was allegedly murdered. And Jerome Beuten is sitting on this and created it with the Attorney General who's protected minute wea so for him to be defending Stephen Avery and doing her political agenda it's it's complete collusion for the system. It's a conflict of interest in the fullest he should have never been there.

aware of this story a few years ago. So now, like everyone else, I was affected by Making a Murderer, and I think conclusions are drawn from that. And you say, listen, we got to take a look at that making of a murderer, making a murderer, but also the two years in between Avery's exoneration. So please go back and explain in more detail exactly who Jerome Beauting was. And we talk about this task force. Tell us a little bit

more about the formation of the task force. But what happens involving Michael Greesback, so that we can talk about Michael Greesback and his connection to his own brother, as

you do later in the book. Let's talk about how he was released and under what conditions, and as you explain the paltry sum that was initially I guess they were trying to give to him for the eighteen years in prison, and tell us how they got as you do, how they get to the thirty six million, and how did Manitouwac County and pay Schlager and other people react, right, and that that.

project to free Stephen Avery. So when the DNA releases him and he's a gonerated, Michael Grisback was concerned about it because it was in his own words, governmental misconduct to the fullest, and he approached peg Lattenschlagger one hundred and forty eight miles away in Madison, Wisconsin, to have an investigation done on why Stephen Avery went to prison. So then a bunch of politicians and senators got together

and they created the Avery Task Force. Now Jerome Bewden at this time he sat on the Criminal Law Section. He was the Board of Directors for the Criminal Law Section of the Wisconsin State Bar. So a guy named Mark Gundrum appointed him as part of this task force to work behind the scenes politically. And Lautenschlagger at the time, she was being dean very unethical, she had a dui or wrong, she was using state vehicles improperly, and she

was just getting a bad rep. So she didn't want nothing to do with this Avery Task Force to begin with, because of she was the person who controlled the budget for a DOJ and she was protected Manetwa County for

Sennant Stephen Avery to prison in nineteen eighty five. Well, the way that Lattenschlagger and Jerome Beden became friends is that it comes through Janet Reno, the US Attorney General who is Lattenschlagger's heroin and idol, and Butten actually helped funded an appearance by her to the Avery Task Force to speak on tunnel vision. And this is where Beating and Lautenschlagger's political connections really starts peaking. This is in two thousand and four. This is about a month and

a year and three months before Teresa even disappears. So he was ceded to benefit the state and they eventually took over d Avery Task Force. What Davery Task Force was designed to do was to implement new political structured guidelines to keep people from going to prison. Now what it should have been doing, It should have been getting

people out of prison. When Stephen Avery was exonerated, nine hundred people wrote into the WinCE Kinnic Constant Innocent Project to have their cases reviewed, but they were told that they would never go free because the State Crime Lab

didn't have the manpower to freedom. So instead of getting the people out of prison, which would have resulted in nearly a billion dollars in losses for the DOJ, they focused on saving the state money and putting guidelines into effect to keep other people like Stephen from going They just said that, hell with everybody that was in there already.

So when Duden, when he actually becomes a part of Stephen Avery's defense council, he is still attached to the Attorney General, who still has a personal agenda at this point of protecting Manitouk County from Stephen Avery. So this is where the collusion and conflict kind of ties in, is that he's sitting on a task force that they renamed and created and it's supposed to be benefiting Steven Avery, but it's really benefit in the state of Wisconsin.

and what she has actually said at these meetings. Now you talk about the Stephen Avery suing his or trying to petition the courts that he had ineffective counsel, and then this making a murderer you talk about, and I don't know if everyone knows it took ten years to release this to make this and to release this. Now you talk about this ineffective council and at the time

people didn't take Avery too seriously. Is that what people miss in Making a Murderer is that these beauting and strang just came to the spotlight, not out of their own accord that and you talk about how they're just playing when they go on this criminal reform tours. So tell us what you say in the book about the difference between what he is presenting and what really went on.

do for Ken Krats. And it's funny because Making a Murderer, the very first time anybody ever ever heard of String and Butting was was during the documentary and it made them look as if they were these superhero heartthrob attorneys. But they're missing the concept of how they got there. And Steven Avery never went through the yellow pages and picked these these attorneys out. These attorneys were appointed by people that were sitting on Lattenschlagger's commission with Jerome Butting.

It's like his civil suit attorney, Stephen Glenn, who was handling thirty six million dollars civil suit. He comes to Stephen and he's like, hey, I got these two people that would be great in handling this case for you, and if you want to agree to settle out, you can spend the settlement money to get these lawyers to get you off of this murder charge. So so guess who gets the money of that. Stephen Glenn, Jerome Bewden, Dean Strain, and another civil attorney which was Walt Kelly.

But what was it involved in it? As much as Steven M. Glenn was, he turned his head and my research and he should have blown a whistle on what was going on, but they didn't. But all four of them split the money of Stephen's settlement and they were appointed by the state to go in there. Steven didn't pick these attorneys out, and and it's just blows my mind that these people can sit here and and they don't understand the way that the system works and that this is a conflict.

thirty six million dollars. What did this thirty six million dollars represent to Manitua County and to the Attorney General Lattenschlager.

a fair affair. Shake at things after losing your family, being locked up for eighteen years. He was going to use the money to start his life over about half of that, and he's going to donate half of it to the Wisconsin Innocent Project to help free other people.

But the Wisconsin Claims Board under a Wisconsin state law I haven't listed in my book, it goes back one hundred years where it only gives you five thousand dollars a year for the time that you serve, but it caps off in two thousand and three, at the time of Avery's at generation, it caps off at twenty five thousand dollars. So the Wisconsin Board could only give st even Avery twenty five thousand dollars. And he was told

by the chairman to go petition the legislation. So this is where he does a second petition, and he petitions the legislation and Mark Gundrum, who created the Avery Task Force, he comes up with the idea to give Steven Avery four hundred and sixty thousand dollars and that's even that's

still less than half of what he's asking for. And the funny thing is is that Jerome Beden was one of the lead authors on this bill, that wanted to give Steven Avery less than half the money, you know, because he's he's seeded to benefit the state and saving money and and so so Steven has said, well you wanna you want to go at me again and and deny me twice at his one point one million dollars. He's doing everything he can to do a fair state. So he decides to sue him for thirty six million.

And I mean, they kept turning them down. So then when he gets sued, this is when Lottenschlager comes in and takes over the Avery Task Force. Because as long as Steven's name is attached to that Avery Task Force, then he has a shot at getting every bit of that money. Because the governor was having to play on Stephen's side, and you know that he was he was

the poster child for wrongful convictions. But you had a purse, put a force, a push and pull in the system where Governor Doyle at the time and Lottenschlagger, where we're bumping heads, they were in they were in disputes over this thing. So lotten Schlagger changed the Avery name, gets it out of there, get gets it out of the task force, and renames it, and then her and Butden

literally created it and took over it. And when Butden comes in to defend Stephen Avery, this murder charge of Teresa Hallback, he's sot on this commission with the Attorney General and he still attached to the state. It's like, Hey, I'm just gonna come over here and pretend like I'm helping you. But really, if you do the research and there's solid, solid evidence on it, he was there to complement the state and not Stephen Avery. During that defense trial.

capture too quickly. And you say, critics called this report a whitewash, including gris Back.

this crime. And this is that even after he spent already eight years in prison, and it still took another ten before he even got out of prison, even when they knew that Gregory Allen was the suspect.

actually gave Lattenschlager the ability to do. And it's incredible that you talk about the task Force and then it's changing its name, it's changing its directions, changing its focus, and you talk about the personal feud as you mentioned with Governor Jim Doyle, and but you also talk about this breast cancer you talk about a lot of contributing factors that may or may not be contributing factors, but at least you put them into your argument and it

seems viable. So tell us a little bit about what was going on in our personal life that may have contributed to Again, we're not there yet, but we're going to talk about this conspiracy that you're laying out, this this conspiracy to let's again, let's let's go to this new governance experiment and this feud and what was happening in her personal life.

point in time. Really about one of the only reasons she did jump onto the every Task Force was to kind of save face with her reputation because it was a big political thing and she she really had no choice but to kind of saved face from the d UI because she got her DUI in two thousand in February two thousand and four, and then she comes onto the task force in March a month later, now at the time that October rose around two thousand and four, this is when Stephen Avers starts his civil suit, is

in October two thousand and four. And there was a guy, he was a district attorney at the time of Dane County and his name was Joe Pallis. I really don't want to get in into a lot of what was going on with Joe Pollis's case. He ended up doing a couple of times in federal prison, but he rolled over some information on Lawton Schlagger and the governor kind of helped stay his sentence a little bit. But this is what started really the feud between Lawton Schlagger and

Doyle was this guy by the name of Polis. And now the way Governor Doyle had taking policy's side over Lottenschlaggers and then you have this whole mess with the Avery Task Force when Lattenslagger's saying, hey, don't don't be saying that manutoac was it was was proven a governmental misconduct in this case because I'm trying to protect them, and and it's just her her whole demeanor at this time, she had she was battling breast cancer, she was drinking a lot. She was drinking on a job she was.

I mean, this is this is proven fact. I mean she wrecked her she she wrecked her state vehicle and got a d U. I But her daughter said in a in a magazine article just four days before Teresa disappears, Lottenslagger had become clear of her cancer, but her daughter was talking about all the rage and violence that she witness of her own mother, you know, personally attacking people and a whole bunch of stuff. And I guess it came with the territory of the cancer, with whatever she

was dealing with personally or personal demons. But go back to Joe Paulus. She says in a video that she wanted to get Joe Paulis and she had to recuse herself from that case from having anything to do with his case because she was going to go after him hardcore. And if you just think this is the same time period, Stephen Avery is bringing up thirty six million problems and

she's in control of this budget. She's also at the time she took on a murder case, the Chai Vane murder case, which is the first time Attorney General had acted as a prosecutor in forty years, and this trial was one month before Steven Avery was accused of killing Teresa Halback. So it is abnormal for a prosecutor or attorney general to be playing prosecutor while she's acting as

an attorney general. It's just something that's not done. But she was also suing Cranberry dairy farm owners and everything in Wisconsin and all across the United States, so she had experience and not only prosecution, but she had experience in civil lawsuits. And when you got a thirty six million dollars civil suit like Steven Avery, and she's a acting attorney general with all this unethical act, she fits the bill to set this up in advance to frame them.

And doing my research, I mean, I bring up some very great arguments of how Steven Avery's conviction of goes straight back into the new government's experiment that she had complete control of, and the political agend that she had reflects down to a t his entire conviction.

and what did she try out? In terms of framing the situation, I would say in certain terms.

couple of the people on the property. And now the thing is with Lattenschlagger prosecuting this case, a lot of the oral argument that she uses in Stephen Avery's case, which you got you got to remember she tried this case just one month before Teresa Halback disappears, so that it's almost a complete reflection of this guy vain. She said that he would run people off the road and he held a gun to his wife's head. Now, now

this story will emerge in Steven Avery's case. You know, only a couple of months, not a month, a month and a couple of days later about how he ran his cousin off the road, Sandra Morris back in nineteen eighty five before he went to prison for Penny Bernstein incident, and how he pointed a unloaded shotgun at her. And it's like, it's like the same oral argument she uses in that case is brought directly over into Steven Avery's case. But the thing is, when Steven Avery gets exonerating, he

wasn't put back in the system as a felon. From nineteen eighties until two thousand and three, you had the entire computer system change, and Steven Avery's past records are sitting in this box in Manuchwac County. They're nowher's in the computer system. When he got exonerated, he was hanging out with Governor Doyle at the state Capitol and they ran back check background checks on a Mark Dundrum even says live on video that he didn't even know Steven

Avery had any of these such charges. They all sit in a box in manuichuauc County. And the way that Lautenschlager had got access to these things if she did use this against against Stephen, which my research shows that is that this is completely what had had to happen because she had access to it. When he's getting all these depositions from from his civil suit, they're going into the court. When Stephen Avery was arrested, he wasn't even

arrested for the murder of Trasea Hallback. He was arrested for possession of a firearm being a felon. But the thing with that is Stephen had a couple of incidents involving his fiance where they come out to his house and knew he had firearms in it, but he wasn't ever in the system and upon his release, so they

never took him in for the felon. Ken Kratz drew up the warrant on November ninth and they went arrested him on November ninth, at two thousand and five for felling in possession of a gun when he was never even in the system as a felon. Wow, right, so have Joe ahead.

to the hood latch. Well, when Steven Avery was arrested, they had a nurse come in and swab him, and when he was when he was first arrested, and they did a swab of the genital area. But then all of a sudden, the investigators say, oh wait, we don't need a swab for that. The warrant does it call for it. So the nurse tosses the swaves in the trash can. And I mean, if you got crooked officers hanging around, all they gotta do is pick those swabs up to have his sweat from his genital areas and

go and transfer where they want to. They had access. A lot of people say, oh, you can't just make Steven Avery's sweat appear out of thin air and transfer. No, they had legit cotton ball swabs of his genital region and access to it. And the thing is is when these nurses do these warrants and execute swabs and everything they have to do everything to a tea so to tell them to go ahead and tell her to swab his genital areas to begin with, and then turn around

and say, oh, wait, we don't need it. I mean that should be ringing a couple of bells.

and tell us just some again. You talk about the amount of officers that were in that salvage yard in the beginning, and tell us what you write in the book about the series of events where evidence is found but not in the beginning, and the amount of officers that were there, and tell us of the officers and special agents and people you think that could have been part of this because they did have access, tell us explain as you do in the book.

had a incident where he was eighteen young. I don't condone this by any any means whatsoever. You know, the dows the he dows the cat and threw it in the fire, lit up and he killed the cat. He ended up doing time for it. He committed to it and served his time. Stupid thing to do. But this report, I'm cruelty was in that Manuchuac County box of evidence where it only existed. It was wasn't in a computer.

And again when you're going to through your civil your civil suit and you have access to all these reports, they're literally in my research. They built this crime scene around his past. You have you have Teresa being burned in the burn pitt and all of a sudden that the cat story emerges only whenever Steven is arrested on the fire on charges. So whoever fed the media at this time of the cat burning everything, they got that information from that box in Manuchoauc County that had his

records in it. Now, Mike Callback is Teresa Halback's brother, and his brother in law Jost and d CI agent Tom Sturdevant were the one who discovered these cremains. And it's just always funny how a family member or relative of the Hallbacks are always around when the big important pieces of this case are being solved. You have Pam Stern, who was Teresa's second cousin, who found her rav four and now you have a brother in law of the Hallbacks family with a d CI agent finding these cremains.

And what's funny about the cremains. You had hundreds of officers on this crime scene looking for for all all this stuff. And if you this is November fifth when they discovered the rab for it was it till November eighth until they found the cremains. But on November three, investigator Remiker of Manitoa County had called the DCI agency up And it's like, why do you call the DCEI

up for a missing report? Teresa just got reported missing on the third and unless you find a body or something, you're not gonna call the DCI to have anything to do with it. But it's funny because of the people he called wash DCI agent Deb Strass and DCI agent Tom's sturd Event that night, and Teresa hadn't even been found yet. But then when they find their cremains on the eighth, five days later, out of all these officers, Tom's third Event is the one standing there to find her.

It's like, hey, you were notified five days ago before Teresa's wrapped four was going to discover how what are the odds of it being Tom sturd Evan from the DCI to find the cremains standing right there to that fire pit. When you have hundreds of agencies on there.

It's like it was all premeditated. I mean to me, in my research, it was premeditated and fabricated to the past that they had access to in a boxingman into a county and they framed him Accordingly, from the prosecution to the conviction to the framing, every bit of it directly ties back to the political agenda of peg Lautenschlader.

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It seems unusual for a district attorney to be helping the you know, the Department of Justice get somebody out of jail and all this ensuing embarrassment and humiliation and corruption that was dug up. What happens with this new charge and tell us a little bit about his connections politically and personally.

and is in his county. So I mean in the beginning he wanted to help out because he's like, well, I'm I'm an assistant district attorney here now, and I see something major wrong with our department if Stephen Avery just served eighteen years whenever we had this knowledge as Gregory Allen committing the offense, you know, way before he ever gets exonerated. Now, now here's here's where Michael gris Back to me, I lost all respect for him, and I think that he turned his own eyes towards integrity.

A lot of people don't know this, but Michael Grisback has a federal a brother who is a judge, is a federal judge, and that judge was actually handling Stephen avery civil suit. He was the judge in charge of, you know, dispensing that thirty six million dollars listening in that case that Steven was suing on now Lautenschlagger, And this was a very political event at this time. A lot of people just don't realize how political this is.

You had senators involved, you had the governor involved, you had the top tier brackets in the Wisconsin DOJ on law enforcement and the top tier political aspect as how as you could go that we're all focused on this exoneration of Stephen Avery. And when you had the Avery Task Force running, it was comprised of judges and sheriffs and prosecutors, DCI agents, some victim advocates, all sorts of things.

So when Judge Grisback is taking this case, he's in the loop politically what's going on because they're all meeting every month to discuss the new policies on how to stop wrongful convictions. And Stephen Avery's name, I mean, he's He's at the tip of the tongue of every politician. So there's an event that Lautenschlagger holds in September two thousand and five, and it was having everything to do

with how to prevent wrongful convictions. And it's just funny because when she held this event, she hanted out these pamphlets that talked how not to wrongfully convict everybody. It had jail house snitches, tunnel visions, recording of a monitor, of a minor electronic monitor, or juveniles, contamina, a DNA everything, so and Jerome but didn't helped draft these things. It's

the funny thing. Jerome Muting put these drafts into this pamphlet and and Lattenschlagger distributed him through all the sheriff's offices, all the new training academies for the Wisconsin Department of Justice. And and this event took place only three days before before Michael Grisback's brother resigns from Stephen from Steven Avery's civil suit. And and the reason that he gives his

resignation is he's recusing himself. He's he's getting off of the case because Michael Grisback was deposed in the civil suit of Stephen Avery. And and that's the reason. But he he really should have never took that case to begin with, because Michael gris Back was the reason that that they ever investigated Manae What County to begin with. Back was the one who went to Madison and said, hey, y'all need to come check on this, and said the brother gries Back to judge he should have never been

involved with the first place. But he's wanting to resign a year later. But if you really get down to it, he's resigning because of the political faction involved. He doesn't want anything to do with it because of all the mess it's making the political realm. So you have Judge grives Back recused himself, and then gris Back himself, Michael gris Back, whenever they come in. He's recused also from handling the case because he was involved in his honeration

and getting everything started. So it's almost says if the brother told the brother, hey, something's about to happen, do not volunteer for it, stay out of it, and that's exactly what gris Back did. Gris Back stayed out of it from the beginning after that, and I lost all respect for him because because of the officers who's finding all this stuff, gris Back is allowing them to continue to stay on the avery property of this crime scene.

When these officers themselves were being deposed in the civil suit, they should not have been on that property. And gris Back should be like, hey, well I was deposed and I'm not involved in it, soe y'all shouldn't be involved in it. But Grisback never blew the whistle on anybody. And it's like the brother, his brother, who was a federal judge, who had all the main knowledge of what was going on politically had told him to stay away

from him. That's what happened. He stayed away from him, and I've lost all respect for Griesback because of that.

been coerthed. And now the backup to to why he was needed in this case when Steven Avery was arrested. They took everything out of his home. They didn't They executed eight days of searches on just several warrants that don't even allow for eight days. They pulled everything out of his house, out of his bedroom, garaging. They found nothing linking him to Teresa hallback. Okay, so now, and if you're gonna stick this guy, there's no blood evidence.

The the crime scene units all involved. But you ain't getting nothing on an eight day search, you know, so, so you have to pretty much have an accomplice to say, oh wait, I was there with uncle Steve. Jerome Bewden actually was handling for the state and as early as two thousand and three in December juvenile recording an electronic NARTU in the juveniles and he was drafting this in state bills, Assembly bills and Senate bills for the state to move in this Avery Task Force policies that they

were they were adding to their political agenda. Now peg Lautenschlagger had had in just in September, has had they started the Criminal Justice Study Force and it took over the Avery Task Force. And she takes Beuten up with him and they're focusing and on electronic electronic monitor juveniles.

So you have Brendan Dassey being coersed in March, but in February two thousand and six, just a month before, and this is four months after Stephen Avery was arrested in November two thousand and five, He's cleared from all this crime scenes. The nothing links to him that they actually targeted the Dassy boys, the brothers. There's five, there's

five brothers, and they needed an accomplice. And in February, on the twenty fourth, Peg Lautenschlagger, at one of these Criminal Justice committee meetings, releases her model policy on how to record juveniles and lo and behold, Jerome Beden is one of the persons who's drafted it up. And this

is on February twenty fourth. Three days later, they go and interview all of the Dassy brothers again on the twenty seventh, and Brendan Dacy, the youngest of the nephews, who was the slowest, ends up being falsely coerced into a confession that he never had anything to do with it. It just reflects how Jerome Butting and Lautenschlagger were involved in their recording the juveniles before Brendan Dacy was even coerced.

And we're talking like down to the days right before, not like like months before, but I'm talking like three days before they're even coerced, or before Brendan Dacy's ever coerced. Lattenschlagger and Jerome Butten have a hand in the electronic monitor in the juveniles for the state.

from college for as a communication degree. You know, he works for the Green Bay Packers now and handles all their video feed and he's a director there in the video department. But he had a degree in communications, and he's the leading these voicemails and when he's being and Terror are questioned by he was never a suspect, but he's being he's being questioned across examined by Jerome Beden. Butden gives the shortest cross examination of the whole trial

and just ask Mike callback. He's like, so what he just he just said, and you you erased all these messages and he's like yeah, and and Butden never goes into detail to find out who they were. He never says, well, who were these type of people? How were they related to Treesa? When was the last one called? It's just like, okay, thank you, Mike, get off the stag the stand and exit. You know. It's it's like Stephen Avery hired these this this defense team to find out who could have possibly

seen her last after she leaves Avery Road. And he doesn't even question any of the people that were calling into her phone.

even a whole bull it's a tiny little fragment. But its supposedly laying in one of the places that Brendan Dassy and Stephen Avery were supposed to have poured down, bleached and cleaned the garage. Yet. Okay, and I don't know about you, but in my scientific research studying, if bleach touches the DNA, it destroys it, you know, And we're talking about a tiny bullet that if it laid in this spot, which which it couldn't have moved that

much since the past four months. If they poured bleach everywhere, bleach would have gotten on his bullet fragment. So how do you find DNA on a bullet fragment. I mean there's a tiny, tiny bullet fragment. Yet it's supposed to have set in bleach, you know, I mean it should

should be clean. And so it just blows my mind, is how they go and allegedly say, oh, we found a bullet that went through Reese's skull and here it is, and then it gets contaminated by Sherry colehint hanging of the crime state lab.

Since this case, he he has been awarded and he's noted as the pioneer of Wisconsin DNA and and and they ironically give him this position because he deviated from protocol to make things make sense during this case. They're like, oh, well, we got Brendan Dacy's confession. We have a bullet. Yeah, Sherry Coleheen contaminated it, but it doesn't matter. We're going

to allow it to be entered into evidence. And the funny thing is is is just a couple of months prior to this, Norman Gan and Jerome Butting at one of the Criminal Justice Study Commission groups with peg Lautenschlagger, We're talking about about starting a forensic science committee. That wouldn't that wouldn't allow content made evidence to be presented

in court. But here they are, just months later, in this murder trial, allowing contaminated DNA evidence to go through this trial to help convict Stephen Avery only because Brendan Daci's testimony. You know, if you didn't have Brendan Dasci's testimony, that bullet would have definitely been thrown out because it have nothing substantiating it. And now that Brendan's testimony has been thrown out and considered coerce by three federal judges,

there's nothing to really substantiate that bullet. Now it's contaminating.

years and years. And while they're sitting on the Avery Task Force, the Public Defender's Office had a member that represented the public Defender's office, who coerced, who conversed with Butden and Gan for years. And this was one of

kin Lenn Kachinsky's bosses at this time. So, I mean, Jerome Butden just literally knows everybody in that department has had a life time friendship with everybody there, because that's where he sowed his roots, was in the public defending his office, working as a public defender before going into criminal defense by himself. And for Len Kachinsky to be abandoning Brendon Dassy, a sixteen year old kid with a special with a special education, and I mean, it's just

horrible that he left them to defend like that. But but the thing is is that you know, if you got a bark orders for somebody to leave, Kochinsky didn't do that by himself. He was told to hey, we're gonna set this median up, but you're not gonna make it because I mean, I mean, you don't just leave a sixteen year old kid abandoning this case with the political agenda going on in it. I mean, it would have never happened anywhere else if the political agenda was it tied to it.

that was really honestly nothing to it. But Calumet County Sheriff Jerry Pagel at the time had called in and said, hey man, you got a family emergency. Your daughter's been in this wreck, and and so he left during deliberation. Now, now what is odd about this? Jerome Beting goes, they got to tell Stephen that one of the jury's last and they had a chance to call a miss trial. Okay. And at this time they even find out that there's been a cop from Manuchwac County. He's a volunteer cop

with the Sheriff's office, has a son who was a sergeant. Okay, and I believe, if I'm not mistaken, his wife worked as a dispatch lady at the at the at the Sheriff's office too. And the whole reason for moving the trial from manuchwat to Calumet was so the the mantop sheriff's office couldn't taint the jury. And then lo and behold, you have a Sheriff's office member on the jery. Then you have Richard Maler being called in from Calm a county sheriff, and saying, oh, you got this big emergency,

you gotta go, blah blah blah. So he hops out of deliberation, and Jerome Beden is like telling this to Steve, and he's like, you know, you can call him this trial and this stuff. But they allowed the cop to stay on the jury pool and they replaced Richard Maller with a different Jerry member. And it's like, why did they tell Steven to continue with the trial? I mean, I mean, I mean they they should have told Steven, hey, miss Trill, you got a man twa county Sheriff's office

member sitting on your jury. He is a volunteer officer, He rides around, he puts in three hundred hours a year for the Sheriff's office and he's sitting here. But they never done any of that. They allowed it. They they told Steven, hey, just continue on, just just let's just go forward for it. I feel I feel like it's in your best the best interest to continue and and he could have called a mis try right then and the end, but but they advised him to keep

continuing on with the trial. And this is the this is the morning of the day that he gets found convicted.

but people want to kill him. But then if if I say, oh wait, I'm going to tell that Fallon was working from Lattenschlager's office and he's the third in command of the entire state, that he's wanting to pick me out of all these people and social media, and I'm an immediate threat to him. If they're defending this, you know what I'm saying. I mean, if there's nothing to it, then why are you making such a big deal and sending my email about my book to the

state capital in Wisconsin? You know, But Fallon and Dean Strang, they have a really good connection and friendship. And it's just weird because whenever Steven Avery, you know, he didn't go looking for these attorneys, they found him. Dean String's office was half a block away, half a block walking distant from past Lattenschlagger's office in Fallon's office, and Fallon's desk was in Lattenschlagger's office. You know, he's the attorney general.

He's the assisted attorney general, she was the attorney general, and that they're just all being assembled right there in Madison and has come to ridiculous how contained to Madison this case is, You've got these people working in Madison. Jerome Butden, he he lived at a Brookville which was like forty eight miles from Madison. But he he starts on going to Dean String and they start meeting in Madison half a block away before they even come to

Stephen Avery. You know, Jerome, Jerome Butden, he's been he's been working with the state capital for two years prior to Teresa Halback even disappearing. He's in the political mix. So as far as fallon and as far as fallon and strange relationship when when your best friends would assist the attorney general and then butte and his best friends with Lautenschlagger at the time, it's kind of a conflict

to be working prosecution and defense for Steven Avery. When when you're in bed with these people, you.

office now. And a year ago in August, they released They said to release Brendan Dacy, and I had it pegged before it even happened, that they would stop him from being released, that Smol would say, oh wait, no, no, don't let them go home. And people are like, oh, a federal judge said to release, and so they can't stop them. And I was like, no, it's gonna be stopped. I even wrote a petition to get people to remove Shimmel because Shemo has a band connection to ken Kratz.

They played in a band called Alibi of all Things in nineteen ninety eight together. And then you know, you got Fallon, who was the original one of the original prosecutors. And now you have Norman Gahm back on the case who allowed the contaminated bullet fragment, and you have Sherry Cohen back on the case who who contaminated the bullet fragment. And these people are all on the new appeal for

Steven Avery now. But as far as Fallon and Shimmel's connection, Fallon, you know, he he worked on appeal when Attorney General JB. Holland was Attorney General and he took over from Lawton schlaggered, and Shimmel took over from from Holland. And so Fallon has been on all these appeals over the past eleven years. And it's like every every Attorney General that comes in with even with Holland, he's like, okay, we're not letting Steven Avery out. He handled that appeal and now he's

handling this appeal. And I just think that Shimmel is honestly being duped at this point, Like like I make some references of Fallon being unethical in my book, and there's some pretty strong points, so why he shouldn't be on this case now. But I believe he's just got found Shemel duped in releasing Brendan Dassy because Brendan Dassy. June twenty third of this year, two more judges ordered his release, and then Brad Shemel steps in and says, hey,

state emergency appeal. We're not releasing this person. They had ninety days to release them, and now here we go. Shem's trying everything to stop that prevention. That's because he's got foulin whispering little bugs in his ears, you know, like, do not release these people, but they all need recused from this case.

They're they're doing tours day in and day out, but none of them are really benefiting Steven Avery, if you want to know the truth of it. They're kicking back money to the WinCE Constant Innocent Project right now, where Michael Grisback sits as a board member, and the wins Content Innocent Project doesn't get full donations, like what's donated goes to their their board, their their director board of directors, and Michael Michael Grisback is is one getting a cut

from these damn tours that are going on. It's just absurd that he, you know, Dean Strang he sat on the board with Michael gris Back in twenty eleven. It's like, oh, we can play in person that that we don't like Michael Gresback, we don't like Ken Kratz. We don't like Fallon, We don't like lunch like them. Behind the scenes, they're all having lunch and bland golf together. Yeah.

ones to find her cremains. And you say the two men look down at the bones magically are in a burn pit twenty yards from Avery's. And then it coincides with the cat burning story just days before. And you say that hundreds of officers on that crime scene. We mentioned that before, But you say, only family close to

Teresa Hallback. Manitua County officials are supposed to be removed from the investigation, and the special agents of the d c I will find any evidence whatsoever to support their theory and their claims to convict Stephen Avery, right, and that goes.

and he's being framed. Who better yet than to to to be a family member of the Hallbacks and a d CI agent where where the sheriff's office and and the subordinates in that office? They're not not question a d CI. And I mean it's like the FBI kind of walking on to the property. And and then you got the family. Don't disturb family members at this time. But then they're the ones to find these bones. And it's like Pam Sterearns, she's the one to find this

car in the middle of this salvage yard. You got, you got acres and acres and acres of land and they just drive right up to her. You know, I mean, you got thousands of cars on this property. And when they call in, they just they go the back roads and everything, drive right up to her and find her. How do they know exactly on that every salvage yard where she is if they didn't plant it in advance, because they don't have no they don't have no airplanes

flying over at this time. They she calls in and they just whip right on up to her. Hey, what'd you find? And we're talking like the salvage yard is amaze if you've never been out, and it's amazed where

you can get lost. But they but yet they find they drive exactly up to Panstern, who's found the rabb hor and pastern is the second cousin, and Teresa Hallback who Pamstern was trained by a guy named Mike p Frisner of the Appleton County Police where she lives and this might be prisoner guys said on the Avery Task Force with Jerome Beauty and pam Stern, she's a she's a p I detective. But they didn't they didn't announce her, not even to announce her as a private eye in

this case. They didn't even announce that she was family to retreat the hall back. They said, oh, a friend of a friend and a search member party member found this. They didn't even they didn't call her what she legitly was. Yeah, it's the.

a new fresh set of eyes. And it's like he got he reached out and contacted me, and we made contact and then started discussing the case and he's like, dude, I'm right here in the middle of Wisconsin and you're seeing things that I don't even see. But then we exchange stories of what some of the John Doe investigations that are going on today, and he can tell you some some disturbing things with the DJ and politics happening right now. It's like it's like it's never been the corruption,

has it been weeded out? And I wish she was live with us tonight. You'll have to have them back as a guest on your show. But he can tell you some crazy stuff. And it all boils down to some of the people that we're in politics and during the time of this melee with Steven Avery, and they're still in politics now. You know Peg Lattenslagger, she has declined to speak for eleven years to any journalist, any media outlet about the Resa hallback case. And that's kind

of disturbing, you know. I mean, you're supposed to you're defending chi Vane, You're you're you're prosecuting chi Vane because you have an interest in people that commit crimes against people. But then a month later, whenever Teresa disappears, she was seen in your own backyard the day she disappeared, But you don't even come forward to help on that case. I mean, but but yet her signature is on, is

on all the crime lab evidence is on. I mean her just her signature in general, from from her oral arguments to actually signing off on legit documents that are contaminated, and it's all in this case. She was heavily attached. But yet she won't talk about it.

Is in the new is in the fond of Lac area where peg Lawton Schlagger resides and also where Todd Smith's resides now. Back in two thousand and three, peg Lawton Slagger was cited for improper use of her vehicle, which at an Ethics Board commission hearing Todd Smiths had taken up for her and claimed that she didn't use the company car. She rode in his car to a

political event in Racine, Wisconsin. Now, now what's ironic about this is that the car that, if that's true about Todd's saying that she rode with him, the car that Teresa took a photo of the last morning, the day she's alive, Peg Lautenschlager had rode in this car. And this is the car that belonged to Todd Smith who was supposedly handed down to Steven P. Smith, who supposedly co owned it with a guy named Craig Sipple who's also kin to Lieutenant Kelly Sipple, who who that was

involved in this case also. But the thing about this is Peg Teresa's going to Peg Lattenschlagger's neighborhood on the morning of the last day she's alive. She's in the area of seeing a blood relative of her attorney general campaign manager to take a photo. I mean, you can't get more down to earth coincidental. And if you've got if you've got a thousand and one coincidence going on, it's no longer coincidental. It's a pattern. At a thousand

one coincidence is a pattern. Why she was taking a picture of a car that Lttenschlagger has allegedly ridden in it. I mean, it just blows your mind. I mean it's like it just just the connections that this is all connected in. It's almost like, Okay, yeah, she had a hand in it, from from wanting to frame him to to the actual conviction. And I mean it spans it spans the two year period that she's involved in. Even on the table.

attorneys there and peg Lattenschlager showed up. And this is since they started their their tours, their tours they've been doing since Snak and Murder. And this is the only time that Jerome Butting was not available and he took a flight to Italy to go see family members like literally and peg Lottenschlager has showed up at this event

in Dane County. And this is the only time since January twenty sixteen that Demstring and Jerome Butden have ever been separated as appearing together as guests, as a as a duo, as a team, and it's only when Lattenschlagger comes to this event. Now, see if Buden has showed up with this event with Luttenschlager, you'd have people saying, oh, wait, didn't you start that Criminal Justice Study Commission and replaced

Avery Task Force. Buden does not want this information. I mean, he's blocked me on Twitter when I when I when I was doing research on my book and I was asking about his his relationship to her, and He's like, oh, I don't need ken Kratz attacking me right now. It's like, what does ken Kratz have to do with with me asking your relationship to Attorney General Luttenschlager. He did not want this information out.

and then just adapted to that went with it. But were they surprised this doc's release and especially surprised at all the attention.

depict how big anything's ever going to be. It's a hit and miss in this day and time with the thing. But the thing is they had no choice but to stay and roll and pretend like they're on Avery's side. But Jerome Butten in a magazine in twenty twelve, he admitted to Super Lawyer's magazine that he played a bad cop during the during the entire trial process with Steven Avery because he kind of really didn't believe his innocence.

But he won't dare admit that now. But they have no choice but to stay and roll and and and and they're they're, oh, I was the defense and you was the prosecutor. And they argue with Kratz, who's no longer even attached to it. And they do that purposely to keep people from looking up at Thomas Fallon and Peg lunchlagger in Madison. That that's why it's being done. It's a political ploy. It is this they're they're dumbing

it down to the county level. They don't want nobody looking up You look up it and it reveals stuff. It reveals the truth of what happened.

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