ANATOMY OF A COVERUP-Paul Palango

The episodes left numerous serious questions in its wake, most especially why was the killer able to evade police in such limited geography for so long. Since then, the government called a public inquiry into the massacres, the Mass Casualty Commission, Though Pelango unearthed a treasure trove of evidence pointing to the possibility that Whartman or someone close to him was acting as a police agent. The Commission evaded all the big questions and let the RCMP off with a slap

on the wrist. To this day, no one has been held accountable. In this new book, Pelango continues to crack the case, delving deeper into the evidence and testimonies of the witnesses who have been ignored, Drawing on his vast experience as an investigative reporter, his mind the thousands of pages of commissioned documents to reveal the wall of secrecy and deceptions constructed by the RCNP and the criminal justice system, exposing new facts that may alter the public's perception of

what really happened. A touredive force of reportage, Anatomy of a cover Up, accomplishes what the commissions set out to do, uncover the truth about the Nova Scotia massacres and bring long overdue justice to its victims. The book they were featuring this evening is Anatomy of a cover up. The Truth about the RCNP and the Nova Scotia Massacres with my special guest, investigative journalist and author Paul Poleango. Welcome back, to the program and thank you very much for this interview.

Paul Polego.

the RCMP. I've written five books about them, and when I looked at it, I thought that I've always seen cover ups retrospectively. I've come across them and late in the game and analyze them, and the media and politicians basically said, you're a conspiracy theorist, and I knew, you know, I was dealing with facts and that I could see this cover up coming, and I thought they would use

the same playbook. So twenty two Murders was written to force a public inquiry that was going to be called into the massacres, to deal with people in facts and names. Things I put on the public record, and then I knew this would cause them to generate all kinds of paper and information they were likely going to hide. But once they did that, I knew where to look at

how to find it. And that basically leads to the publication of anatomy of a cover up, because I take apart the cover up and show what happened, what was hidden in plain sight, and how it worked.

The government and the police were lying. They were covering up, and that was a truth that was evident from the beginning. There wasn't any other. So there was no heroism at all on the part of the RCMP, and they were protected from the beginning by the government, and governments involved the bureaucracy, the Department of Justice, and so the truth was stimied almost at every turn.

hurt your feelings anymore, I get really really suspicious. As for the restorative justice principles, there were no Indigenous people involved in this other than some of the police officers who many of them who did nothing. It signaled to me that they were not going to be playing this straight or trying to get to the real truth, which proved to be the fact.

was anything but transparent. It was totally opaque. They basically cut short testimony anything that was sort of headed into waters they didn't want to go where the transparency lay just prevented any real discussion of what happened. It was the opposite of transparent and every step of the way.

to do a review and this review. Then they finally announced the review in July twenty twenty, which meant that these three commissioners McDonald and two others, one who was highly politically connected to the federal government was sort of a fixer for the federal government, would conduct a review, which meant they would look at all the paperwork in a hotel room somewhere, order sandwiches over a couple of days, find a couple of minor misdeeds, give the RCMP a

slap on the rest, they go home. Nothing to see here. The families were so outraged by this review, as were a lot of citizens. Law school professors, lawyers, themselves politicians. I wrote about it extensively that this was part of the cover up. So then they announced the federal and provincial government announced a joint federal provincial public inquiry headed by the same three people who were going to conduct the review. So essentially they were still going to conduct

the review, but pretend it was a public inquiry. And that's again largely what transpired.

see the pattern that was emerging. They were going to cover the story for a couple of weeks and then lose interest and move on to the next flower show or the next shiny object. I was running out of places to publish. I had some places that took a story here and a story there, and eventually it got into the fall of twenty twenty, and I wanted to write about Lisa Banfield, who was the common law wife

of the shooter, Gabriel Wortman. At this point, six to eight months afterwards, she had not been named by the government, the police. They were all protecting her, treating her as a victim. And the only one who had named her was Frank Magazine, and they cleverly described and Frank Magazine is a satirical magazine with two different versions of it, one in Ottawa and one on the East coast of

Canada and the Atlantic. Frank cleverly did a piece on Lisa Banfield, calling her a hero and identifying her as a hero to get her name out and as Andrew Douglas, the editor of Frank said at the time, who could complain about that? But he got her name out there. And then as I investigated her, I wanted to write a story because I said, her story doesn't make sense to me. There are too many questions, and I was

warned by other journalists don't do that. Women's groups will be marching on We had a business, we made fuse glass, and we had a business in Chester, Nova Scotia. And one reporter says, women's groups will be marching on your store and protesting because she's a victim and you're going to be victim shaming her. And I said, no, I don't believe her story, and there's supporting evidence why I should not believe her story and the public should know about it. So I went to Andrew Douglass at Frank

Magazine and we cut a deal. I didn't want to write in Frank's satirical, starky fashion. I said, I'll just report the story and you run it. And that became sort of a marriage made in heavens. We transformed Frank from being a snarky satirical magazine and gossip magazine into a sort of a paper of record about the facts of the Nova Scotia massacres, and that worked out very

very well. I mean we were able to get out stories, put names on the record, put scenarios on the record, basically find more of the real story, and back the police and the government into a corner.

eventually the others were dismissed. And people were outraged by this, and he was seen to be a Liberal Party bagman who would do favors for the Liberal Party which was in power at the time of the massacres at the federal level and the provincial level in Nova Scotia. Leanne Fitch was a for police chief in Fredericton, New Brunswick and she was applauded widely applauded for being the first openly gay female police chief in Canada. The problem with Fitch,

there are many problems with Fitch. In my mind, she was married to a cop in Frederton. She was the police chief at the time. Gabriel Wortman was conducting some criminal activities in that area and she likely was aware of it and had an interest in covering it up. After she stopped being the police chief in New Brunswick in Frederton, she eventually became a member of the RCMP

Management Advisory Board two months before the massacres. So she was in cahoots with had pictures taken with Lee Bergerman, the Assistant Commissioner of the RCMP in Nova Scotia. They were like buddies. They were all part of a women's policing group and she was as she continued to be part of the National Police in tell diligence operations and overseeing committees. So she was a police insider at every step of the way, in an RCMP insider. She resigned

the Management Advisory Board thing. But her father was also a Mountie. Her late father was a Mountie. I mean, there's no way she should have been there overseeing what the mount he's had done. And as for Stanton, she was involved in women's groups and had written a trees on what the public inquiries are there to basically do social engineering, not to get to the facts. And that again, that's what happened, and I described the evolution of that

public inquiry process. You know, Stanton was stating a fact, but she was the wrong person there. She was not you know, she was part of the women's groups, the women groups, and she was part of testified as witnesses. I don't know why. Nobody could understand why they were there, but the government sort of muddied the investigative side of things by bringing in indigenous groups and other groups that had nothing to do with us.

He drags her out naked from bed, cuffs her around, ties her up with bathrobes, robe cords, handcuffs her, fires bullets near her head into the ground, burns his cottage down, locks her in the back of a replica police car that he had. She climbed through the silent patrolman, got out of the handcuffs, escaped into the woods and spent all night in the woods at zero degrees temperature that's thirty two degrees fahrenheit, so freezing temperatures, scantily clad, and

eventually survived without hypothermia. And the Mass casually Commission and the AIRCNP shell her from the beginning as a victim of domestic violence, and the focus of the inquiry had nothing to do with it, would not delve into Gabriel Whartman's criminal background, which was extensive, but into sort of rather weak allegations about domestic violence. In fact, the most egregious event happened eight years earlier, and Lisa Banfield never

made a complaint. In fact, she didn't even remember a complaint being made.

And then he was going to kill a bunch of people, including her sister, And eventually he killed the thirteen of his or He was accused of killing thirteen of his neighbors and nine other people. That was about it as far you know, I guess there twists in turns along the way, but we'll get into it.

There are some suggestions that they had a relationship because Evans was gay and he'd had relationships with other young men and they were involved in smuggling cigarettes, guns, everything across the border, either the land crossings or by boat across the Bay of Fundy at the top of the Bay of Fundy, or not the Bay of Fundy but the Gulf of Maine in the top there. He'd been

doing that and bragging about it for years. Drugs, guns, rifles, grenades, and he was bringing them into the country and then selling them and motorcycles motorcycle parts all the time. So he was he was active in doing this and there's some suggestion that the police knew about this, but nothing was done.

curiously there are thirteen people dead in the community. The RCMP doesn't know that, but they they know there are bodies lying on the road down Orchard Beach Drive, Lisa McCully and Corey Ellis, and they know there's a few other bodies at the house of the Blair family, but

they don't know the extent of anything. And then they send off their members home around Speginning around six a m. And then, miraculously, at around six point thirty three, Banfield shows up at the house of Leon Jodrey, who lived at the north end of the portapict development. And Leon Jodrey, who worked in the as a department, you know, as a forester working for the provincial government, knew the forests and he said she came up and he was shocked

to see her. And in his estimation, he told the original policeman he was dealing with, I don't believe her story that she was in the woods all night because she doesn't have hypothermia. She's not dirty, he said. She looked like she had fresh makeup on and her clothing was barely soiled. And then the commission, however, and the

RCMP along the way, completely ignored Leon Jodriy. They just refused to deal the factor indications that Jodrey was harassed by the RCMP, and all that was accepted of the testimony was that Banfield was brutalized, she was lucky to survive, and never questioning depth about the nature of the fight

she had with Wortman, the nature of their finances. As you pointed out, she testified in July twenty twenty two, July fifteenth, in fact, and it wasn't until a few days after she testified that Werbman and Banfield's financial records were put out and nobody that was never brought before the commission, the media never reported on it, and her financial records showed the contrary to the mcc and RCMP story that she made fifteen thousand dollars a year and

was basically a work in sex slave of Wortmen. Well, she barely lived with Wortman in the nineteen months prior to the massacres on her visas alone, never mind her debit card or cash purchases. On her visas alone, she was spending in excess of approximately five tho two hundred dollars a month and the bills were all paid for, so almost one hundred and sixty thousand dollars and visas alone, twenty thousand at a discount clothing store, you know, twenty

thousand here, ten thousand there at makeup stores. So she wasn't as hard done by as she seemed. But that was all kept from the public eye.

His name was Sergeant Dave Lilly, And in the while he was standing there, he told a reporter, a freelance reporter who was working for the Globe and Mail in Toronto, that everyone was sent home at six point thirty and he didn't understand why, and most of the contingent of mountings had gone home, and the next shift wasn't coming into like ten in the morning, and the RCMP never

really explains why that happened. But in that gap, that's when Lisa Banfield showed up at Leon Jodrey's house and was whisked away to the hospital, but not even to the hospital. First to a sort of a command center,

and then to the hospital. Her injuries, which were first described as minor by those attending her in the ambulance, suddenly became spinal injuries later and when she appears before the Mass Casualty Commission, she says she seems to have difficulty understanding or recounting what her injuries were, and says her wrist hurt from pulling off the handcuffs. But the problem with that story was that in the original story, and this is typical of the story. The original story,

she was handcuffed in the back of the car. She escaped fro acculously from the handcuffs, crawled through the silent patrolman, and got away. But later on it was revealed the handcuffs were only on one wrist, So why did she struggle to take it off one risk when all she had to do was run. She's starting to be being killed. Sure, none of it made sense now.

the morning we'll go hunt the woods. And this is a heavily wooded area, small population, like only one hundred people probably year round, two hundred and fifty in the summer. They figured out, well, he's dead in the woods, and Lisa Banfield, Uh, she's probably dead in the woods. We'll go take care of the dead people who are lying out in the open. In the morning, they did nothing that a normal police force would do in this situation.

And then this speculation such as it was, turned deadly because the next morning at nine point thirty they had to call about another fire an an hour's drive to the North Away shooting. Then there's three people dead there another person dead, and they wake up to the fact that Nova Special wakes up to the fact that Gabriel Wartman's driving around the province shooting people and the RCNP is seems completely flabbergasted and handcuffed and doesn't it what to do?

who recently had been paroled. His name was Peter Griffin, and he was paroled after being charged in Alberta with drug trafficking and was hooked up with the Mexican Cartels and La Familia laf Familia and MS thirteen thel Salvadorian Street gang and the Hell's Angels because his family had ties to the Hell's Angels. Historically, Peter Griffin installed the decals on the police car while he was on parole and oddly never charged with any offense.

most of the force believes he's dead anyway. But when they do get reports the next day him driving around shooting people, they use as communication the RCNP Twitter, even though they're not maybe using it to their full capacity, but also that they decide not to scare the public with reports of what Wartman is doing, so could you explain that for us.

were vague tweets, they weren't specific tweets. And the problem was that in Nova Scotia a small percentage of people followed Twitter at that time, and who follows it in the middle of the night anyways, and so none of that, there was no public warning put out. There was a public alert system in place, they didn't use it. So the next morning when he started up and he, you know, he started coming back to the area of porta Peck in his car after killing three people in Wentworth, a

woman walking down the road on Highway four. And then eventually he goes to a house in a place called Glenholm, not that far from Portapec. He's going back to the area where the original killings are and there's no police. He goes to the house, the Fisher House at Glenholme.

The RCMP respond lately to that. Well, the thing that happens there Dan He passes an RCMP corporal going to the house on Glenholm and the corporal recognizes him as the potential shooter, but is afraid to pursue him, so drives for almost a mile before he turns around and loses sight of him. Then the RCMP stage miss him again. He gets away, kills two home nurses who are in separate vehicles in a place called Bert and keeps driving towards Halifax. He goes through all a town called Truro,

about fourteen thousand people. It has its own police force. They don't put out a warning. And this is the interesting thing. He is shown on camera driving through Truro, passing people walking on the street. He didn't shoot any of them, And you have to wonder why was he shooting the people he shot and why only in RCMP.

he trying to please Banfield? Is a reasonable question. He killed one of the people. He one couple he killed the first ones, Jamie and Greg Blair. Jamie Blair haad ties to the to a Hell's Angels murder twenty years earlier killed Aaron Tuck, who had ties to another motorcycle gang. It just Sean McLeod was an Atlanta Jenkins who he killed on the Sunday morning and spent three hours unexplained to this day what he was doing at their house.

They were corrections officers who worked at federal penitentiaries in Truro and spring Hill, Nova Scotia. No idea why he was there, and then he burned their house down after he left. It's just all very mysterious and it's never really explored.

were going on at that time. So I did some investigation, and a giant operation that had been going on for a long period of time culminated with four arrests about eight days before the massacres, and I started to look at that and through various information I gathered, I was told by some sources that Workman was likely a confidential informative police agent involved in that operation. And the Hell's Angels are particularly visible in eastern Canada because it's a

primary smuggling area. There's over three thousand you know, Nova Scotia alone has about three thousand miles of coastline and it's and it's tied to Maine, so it's a good place to smuggle. Wortman was involved in that, and he was he was so close to the criminal world that one of the amazing things about the Mass Casualty Commission that investigated this is they can find no criminal ties.

They didn't want to explore that. One more point on that den as I get into the latter stages of the book, I show that there are strange relationships, strange things that Workman does. Are the way he identifies himself, and some of the conversations that are recorded in emails with Banfield and and some of the things he a policeman in Halifax says about him indicate Workman was likely

a confidential informant. And this becomes sort of a conundrum because if Worbman was not a confidential informant, just an ordinary crazy guy, a dangerous who went crazy and shot a bunch of people. Why are these references in the record when you deal through the record like they shouldn't be there, There should be nothing linking him to the RCMP.

And as I show in the book, there are all kinds of references, including I think one of the best that was completely misinterpreted by the mainstream media and the alternative media covering this was an allegation that Worbman threatened to kill a cop in twenty ten, twenty eleven. And I go over that and that the RCMP purge that from their records, but it was still in the records of municipal police forces in Nova Scotia. Why was that?

And it finally became obvious that it was a cover likely a cover story for Workman as an agent or confidential informant. Because the police know the bikers can penetrate their records, that they wanted to vet someone and check out their bona fides to see if he really was a bad guy. They go into the records and see he threatened a cop. But even the cop he threatened

said he had no recollection of this. It was a legend story, I think, But the other police forces had it in the records as if it was a real thing, and it came forward later. So that's part of the sort of shenanigans going on behind the scene that shouldn't be there if Wortman was not a confidential informant.

completely different sources. And so I went on Rick how one day and I said, I had this conundrum that we hear these two stories, and what is the truth. Why would I do that? Well, getting back to what we said earlier about the quality of media is so bad in Canada. There's no sort of sense of competition. You could tell them the story you were doing and no one would follow up on it. I could do it on the airwaves and say this is what I'm investigating,

this is what I want. When I finished rick House Show that day, I got a call from someone who said it was four hundred and seventy five thousand, and I said, well, how can you approve it? He's and said I've got the video of him getting the money, and that it became a sort of a series of negotiations that got the video, and that was sort of the hallmark of an undercover operation, receiving money from a

Brinks operation. The RCNP and the mass Causilty Commission had all kinds of documents saying it came from Workman's personal money that he had saved, but it never they never ever show where the money comes from. And secondly, the

mass Causilty Commission sort of glosses over this. When it was all done, I went back to my original sources and said one of the documents that was never discussed, never released by the mass Casulty Commission was the release form that Workman has seen shown signing on the video in the cage at the BRINKX operation in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. And I asked my source who authorized the release of the money, and my source on that document it says the RCMP New Brunswick. That is never never, that was

completely ignored by the Mass Casualty Commission. But it makes the case, like I said, that he was a confidential informant and none of that stuff should be there if he wasn't.

nineteen eighty four. Because in nineteen eighty four there was a public inquiry the McDonald Commission, which essentially I've always argued was sort of set up under false pretenses, and examined the RCMP, recommended changes in the RCMP that were not entirely necessary, and then made the commissioner recommended and the government immediately adopted this recommendation that the Commissioner of the RCMP be a deputy minister in the government, which

made the Commissioner of the RCMP serve at the pleasure of the Prime Minister. And this political fluence began sort of the rot inside to the RCNP and what it's

become today. So if you look over the last since nineteen eighty four, the number of high profile Canadian business people or politicians who have been charged with a criminal offense is almost is minuscule, almost zero, I mean high flying, you know, powerful establishment businessman Conrad Black committed crimes in Canada, was charged and convicted in the United States, served time in the United States, and then sucked up to Donald Trump and was pardoned by Donald Trump. But in Canada

nothing got done. And that was typical of how it works across the country. That the RCMP was essentially neutered and politically controlled by the government.

cross examined because they were too fragile. It went on and on and on. And one of the things that one of the strategies used by the RCMP from the beginning, which was the inquiry went along with, is that no serious criminal charges were laid against anyone. There was no serious criminal investigation that in that way they could protect all the information. The RCMP destroyed information early on. I got the memo. We demonstrated to them that we could

penetrate their walls. I got the memorandum saying there's a moratorium on the destruction of evidence of the Gabriel Workman case three months after the massacres. Four months after the massacres. Well, the case is still being investigated and the mass CASI the commission didn't even address that what was being destroyed and why.

some issues. Later he would can and say, oh, I apologize to the mountings after the mountains put pressure on him and talk to him, but he kept returning to it, and the media dismissed him. When I got involved in in looking at the case, like analyzing what happened in every aspect of the case, and dan a line about this, one of my citizen investigators, Ryan Potter, put it this way.

Imagine this entire event before it happened, while it happened, and after it happened as a long train ride with stations along the way, and at every station the train stops, there's a terrible mess. Nothing is right, everything is upside down, things are missing. Well, when I looked at the original story of the RCMP narrative, they said workman left by the blueberry Field road that they didn't know about, and then they did. They sort of manipulated evidence to prove

that he did that. And you know, it's too long to get into now, but what I show is that didn't happen. He did not go through the blueberry Field and they had the evidence, but they suppressed it. Why is that important? Well, at the end, I show how Leon Jodrey basically comes back from the dead, but his phone records of Dean Dillman, another guy who was calling Leon Jodry, and Dean Dillman was in a position he worked for the government in natural resources as a forester

as well. He was at the scene that night, and he was in a position that made it impossible for Gabriel Wartman to get past him. So Gabriel Wortman didn't go that way, and that meant that Gabriel Warman went past the mount Hees who were manning the road at portapeg Beach Road and Highway too. But how this relates to Corey Ellison is that in the original narrative they said Werbman shot Corey Ellison to escaped through the blueberry

field at ten forty five. They speculated this that was their story before Dean Dillman came forward with records which proved he was there at ten thirty eight to ten fifty eight. The Wortman didn't go that way. The problem is evidence came forward later from Corey Ellison's phone showing

he'd been shot at ten forty twelve. So if you stitch everything together, it appears to me that Wortman was not in that area at that time, and the likely had already left the seat by the road and OURCNP officers. Another odd thing. The first three nine one one calls came from Orchard Beach Drive, desperate calls. Jamie Blair was shot in the middle of hers the mount. He said they did not go to that street till ten forty nine,

although they got there at ten twenty six. I've never seen a nine to one one call where the police did not go to the nine one one site. Cory Ellison was killed across the street from where Lisa McCully, one of Worman's girlfriends, was killed. I think they accidentally shot him. And then there's three things that basically prove

or suggests that's true. On the first press conference held by the RCMP and after the massacres, the Chief Superintendent, Chris Leather said three referrals were going to be made to the Police Watchdog Oversight Committee SERT to investigate the shooting of Workman, the shoot up of the Oslo Belmont fire hall, and an exchange of gunfire between the gunman and RCNP officers last night. Then afterwards that disappears from

the public record. Wow In an early statement by to the police that was left on the public record, Banfield, who was hiding supposedly hiding in the woods in that area, says I heard someone say how's it going, boys, and

then bang bang bang bang bang. The other factor is that the autopsy report on Corey Ellison was briefly, almost accidentally released by the Mass Casualty Commission and then pulled back, but not before my citizen investigator, Ryan Potter, got a copy of it, and it showed that the Corey Ellison was shot five times. All Workman's victims were shot once or twice, except for I think Greg Blair was shot a couple of times on the porch of his house.

The way Ellison was shot suggests there was a police shooting. By the volume of shots, Workman killed almost everyone with a head shot, usually one shot. He was like a marksman. Corey Ellison was shot multiple times. And the final twist on this dan a few weeks ago after the book was published, I got contacted by someone who said, I want to talk to you about what happened that night

five years ago. My cousin was one of the Mounties there that night my other cousin and I think our cousin shot Corey Ellison And I said, well, I sort of make that case without naming him. I said, I had a choice with this bounty in that mounty, and he was this mounting.

I believed him, and others believed him, and eventually at Christmas twenty twenty he tried to live in the woods. I think Christmas twenty twenty one, tried to live in the bush and almost froze to death. His mental health deteriorated. One night, he was going to move to a motel. He stopped to talk to a mountain who was parked there, asking for directions. One thing led to another. He was arrested because he was bringing his guns to the motel.

He had them in the back of his truck. There's an obscure law that you can't transport guns in the middle of the night. And he was put in immediately put into a mental facility, mental health facility, drugged, his health deteriorated, and in the middle of doing our pod cast one night, I got a call and he had committed suicide. Terrible thing. I dedicated this book partly to his memory because he always stood by his story and I believed his story.

She's almost on life support according to them and witnesses I talked to it said she was fine, that she didn't appear to have anything wrong, and there were statements to that effect in the RCNP record and nine or ten Dee she got off the she got out of after she got out of the hospital so called got out of the hospital. One of my sources found her shopping, one of her She was shopping and looked perfectly fine. There was nothing to appear to be wrong with her

mentally or physically. So I knew this. And you know all kinds of women's right people where they're defending her and calling her a hero. But I think Rob Pineo, the lawyer for one of the families, there's all these pictures of her crying and stuff, and Rob Pineo Riley put it to me. I says, what did you think of Banfield's testimony? And Pineo says, she cried with her mouth and I thought that's something. I mean, that's what I thought.

who were just happened to be in the area. We're going to fill up their truck which was half full already, and fill up their truck and they're suburban and they got out there filling it up, and they recognized the guy at the next pump, who is Werbman, who is driving a car he stole from his twenty second victim, Lisa Glay, And they noticed him and he had a welt on his head, which becomes an important part of the story. And they one thing led to another and

they engaged him and they shot him. And that's the story they stuck to. The police watchdog reviewed the evidence and he and said, that's the story. We're sticking to that story. But as I said, one of the things we did was penetrate all the police operations, the MCC operations,

the Department of Justice operations and got things. And one of the things we got were the videos showing what actually happened, and we got other videos showing that the thing they described the first part of it happened at another gas station that they tried to cover up, and then they fused it altogether to make it look like this all happened, you know, the story at the story that happened at the Petro Can station actually happened at

the Big Stop. And what happened at the Big Stop was the videos clearly show the two bounties coming in at high speed, pulling up, pulling upside the pump, and from the time their car lurches for religious to a stop and starts to come back, from that time to the time the door is opened, the copp is standing outside, the drivers standing outside, and the passengers come around five and a half seconds from the time the car stops to the time the first bullets of like twenty five

are fired into workmen. So they appeared to know it was him. They there was no sort of discussion or anything like that, no recognition possible. They just came out and executed him. And part of the cover up was that the federal government the day we we finally you went to court and Frank magazine went to court and forced these things to come out before the media even

started to cover it. The federal government, our stories began to circulate about commissioner of vi RCNP had politically interfered in the case over gun rights and guns and things like this, and it all blew up and she lost her job and Pete Pele forgot this part of the story.

One last thing dan on it. When the mcc examined these five and a half seconds during the test of the public testimony, it took them probably two hours to do the five and a half seconds because they went frame by frame to make it look like it took a longer time. And finally, even then when we fought to get all the tapes in the videos, they left some of it out and some of it was edited and truncated.

the United States, which is the biggest problem in Canada. Sure, Donald Trump talks about fentanyl going into the States, the biggest issue is guns coming into Canada and Mexico from the United States. That's the big social issue right now in Canada.

I found all kinds of things. The audio tape that was on an analog system that covered part of the night of April eighteen showed the police story. The police were lying and I said, I need a great Canadian to step forward and provide us with things like nine one tapes video. I wanted proof of death of Wortmen. I wanted to see how he died because I didn't believe their story. And as source emerged, we called true Blue.

My wife named True Blue, provided us with nine one tapes showing that petrated to the RCMP an official government story that the police didn't know which Gabriel Wortman dressed as a cop until the next morning, and when Lisa Banfield came out of the woods, the first three nine one one caller said it was Gabriel Wartman dressed as

a cop who was killing people. And then True Blue also provided the videotapes that showed the lie they told about the Edfield big stop and the fact that they'd already encountered Wortman about ten minutes earlier at another gas station. And that was really helped turn the public tide because I could demonstrate that people that the RCMP was lying because I knew it was a cover up. Even though people were in your conspiracy theory, I could theorist, I could see the cover up, and I knew from my

experience how to penetrate and reveal it. You know, there's a thing that the concept of negative proof, you know, and negative proof is if you can prove in the absence of evidence you can't get and reluctance of people to cooperate. If you could prove their narrative is not true, that means there's another truth. And so we can infer from those things that you know on the Blueberry field, I could prove it's not true. Therefore the other proof is the other truth is who killed Corey Ellison? The

same with the irving big stop. What really happened?

of truth we destroy. One bit narrative we destroy in the book is the killing of Constable Heidie Stephenson, and we can't ignore that that's a big story.

him to come towards Halifax. And Heidi Stevenson assigned one of her people from the Enfield unit to go on Highway too, not the expressway where all the mountains were gathered, but on Highway too, and he was alone on Highway too.

Then she realized, oh, I should go over and help him, and Werdman came down the road down Highway too, knew where Morrison was, turned in there, shot him or shot at him, wounded him, but Morrison drove off, ran turned around and drove after him, and as they were coming to what is called the Cloverleaf Loop, Stevenson came in and drove under the bridge as Morrison took the exit to go down Highway to didn't see her. Mister by second she came around the clover relief workman was driving

straight on another section of the road. Sara coming ramder spun her around. The RCNP story eventually becomes that Heidi Stevenson first rammed Wortman, then they changed that. Then she was in a gunfight with Wortman and fired fourteen rounds at him, twelve from outside the car, two from inside the car before Wortman killed her. The problem with that story was, well, first of all, all the media and

everyone jumped on that Heidi Stevenson was a hero. But the problem with the story is the evidence didn't fit that story. So I went over all the evidence and you know, as I lay out in detail on the book, I had written that those chapters, there's two chapters I had written them and in the right and I had concluded that this was a made up story. They needed a heroin. They unified behind her, they wanted the story

to work. And I was doing some last minute double checking through all the records, in all the documents, and then I found a document was like the smoking gun, and what it showed was that three days after the Heidi Stevenson was murdered, the head of curt the police watchdog, the interim head Patrick Kerran, a former chief justice the Nova Scotia Provincial and Family Courts, had rejected a request from the RCMP to investigate whether Heidi Stevenson had accidentally

shot a good Samaritan bystander Joey Webber, who was the twenty first victim in the massacres, and that she should be investigated for that even though she was dead. And Kerrent, in a document which I largely include in the books, basically tells him to hit the road and says, in the most remarkable institutional institution no missive you've ever seen. That you already told us on Sunday as you investigated it. She was executed. All the evidence showed she was executed.

Kerran said, I'm not going to try to prove get involved in this because essentially he could see what they were trying to do. They're trying to get an investigation by the police watchdog to justify that the shooting had actually taken place. But this raised there was no evidence that there were twenty seven witnesses to what had happened and earwitnesses an eyewitnesses, only two had heard thirty rounds

being fired, most heard seven to nine. When I investigated the thirty round story, they reduced it to much less than that. And then where they lived and saw or heard what they saw or heard could be attributed to echoes because he was using a ruger, a mini ruger, and it's a very loud gun, and no one close to the scene saw it. And then I finally found

the evidence of one witness who followed Wortman. I remember I said Morrison got shot and drove a Morris and then Wortman followed him, while another guy, Bernard Meira, and his wife followed Wortman. He stopped at that scene, turned off his engine and watched what happened, Wortman crashing into the Stevenson's car, getting out, shooting her through the back side the back passenger window. All that her never getting out of the car, and that match what everyone else said,

and that was ignored. So what it does raise is where did the shellcasings come from? Where they planted? And if they planted that, what else did they plant.

that she was protected, et cetera, et cetera. On the Friday afternoon, the RCMP announced charges that Lisa Banfield, her brother and her brother in law were being charged with providing ammunition to workman that he used in the massacres, and the media went crazy, and at the time I rewrote my article to point out these are likely bogus charges that will never have their day in court and will only be used to stall any discussion about Lisa

Banfield because she faces criminal charges. And basically that went on for two years. She couldn't speak because she faced criminal charges. Then she went before the mass Casualty Commission. They treated her with kid gloves, and then she wasn't asked about any of this. It's a misdemeanor anyways. It was like a traffic teck. And as soon as the mass Casualty Commission was finished with her, she made an appearance before a judge in a restorative justice setting. Well,

who was the victim? Nobody was there, and the charges against her and her brothers were dismissed. It was clearly what I said it was from the beginning.

Of the families thought it was a schmazzle. The lawyers thought it was a cover up, but nobody would talk on the record about that because all the families were forced to sign non disclosure agreements with the government to get funding for the to appear at the MCC. They also have legal cases that had non disclosure agreements with their law firms not to disco to discuss anything, especially

with someone like me. Some people, you know, the domestic violence people hailed it as a great moment forward, but nothing much has ever happened since then. They set up implementation committees to hide behind that go on for three years now overseeing the implementation of the one hundred and thirty recommendations. But all that she's being used as as a shield so the politicians don't talk about it. Politicians

in the five years since this outrageous event. Not one politician has stood on their hind feet and criticized the RCMP or the process or anything. So it's been left up to me, citizen investigators and the people who've been involved to try to get hold the RCNP and the governments accountable. And that's what we did in this book.

You know, I designed to be at least two books, you know, by asking the question what's the big secret? And the second book is trying to answer that, And now I'm at the at the point where I may have to write a third books. The lingering question now is who killed Corey Ellison? And that is sort of the heart gets to the heart of what the cover up is about, you know, because they had a lot

at stake. They had to cover up Workman's connections to them, all the mishaps and the mistakes they made, like Corey Ellison, they covered up and they tried to shape a narrative that the main street media bought. Much of what happens you know in our world today, fake stories, telling the story knowing that no one's going to challenge them. They didn't expect I would be there. You know, there's a great line from George Orwell who says, I just copied

it here. Orwell's line about the truth. The further society drifts from the truth, the more will hate those who speak it. So I got a lot of people disliking me because I'm trying to speak it. But I've got an enormous number of people who've come on side. I had a book launch event three nights ago in Halifax that was spectacular, went on for three hours. I brought up people who were ignored as witnesses who told their stories.

It was very moving, and I know people can listen to my podcast Dispersing the Fog to hear part of that. What we did. It's a similar thing. But my podcast partner, lawyer Adam Rodgers, and I discussed the elements of the book because I did the audio book as well.

on and showed her heart was beating for eight hours. Incredible, Or she died and the RCMP would not allow a metavac helicopter to come in, wouldn't her family to come by her side, and then the mass casually can mission hid all the fitted evidence and would not allow it into testimony, and the family only released it afterwards. And I tell that story.

All I do is the Dispersing the Fog podcast. We're on podcast number sixteen now and we discuss this book now and legal things that are going on in Canada, the United States and around the world with my podcast partner Adam Rodgers, which is on Sunday nights at seven thirty Eastern eight thirty Atlantic on YouTube.