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hunt since the Yorkshire Ripper Inquiry. A Dangerous Place is the first full length account of the crimes of John Duffy and David Mockay, told by the son of one of the police officers who led the inquiry. Exhaustively researched and with unprecedented access. This is the story of two of the most notorious serial killers of the twentieth century and the times they operated in. It is the story of the women who died at their hands. It is the story of the women who survived them and who

had the courage to insure justice was done. And it is the story of a father told by a son. The book they were featuring today is A Dangerous Place, The Story of the Railway Murders, with my special guest, journalist and author, Simon Farker. Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. Simon Farker at all.

show where they appealed for help on unsolved crimes. And while this case was going on, my dad appeared on that program and when the host of it was a guy called Shaw Taylor, who was very well known in Britain.

He died not long after my dad and I was writing a piece about in for the newspapers, and as a result of that, I happened to be in discussion with a publisher and were telling him about my dad's connection with that program, that he'd gone on there to appeal for information about the railway murders and so on, and I was talking about my dad's part in what was an enormously important case, and he just said, this is fascinating. Why don't you do a book about it.

It's kind of obvious, really, but it had just never occurred to me, and initially I was a bit unsure because it wasn't a genre I'd ever explored before. But then I thought of about it a bit more, and I thought, well, it's strange that the book hasn't been done on this case yet, so if I don't do it, someone else probably will. A lot of documentary has been

done on it, but never a book. And I also thought, not only would it be an interesting opportunity to pay tribute to my dad, it would be an interesting way of understanding who he was as a working man. It would mean talking to his colleagues, going through the visiting the places he had to go to putting the story together from his point of view. So it just became kind of irresistible after that, actually, And then the first sort of tentative steps I took were to try and

contact his colleagues in the case. And immediately they came back with so many stories, and I realized that a lot of the coverage of the case in the past had been quite superficial, or have been quite a lot of inaccuracy, isn't it. So after that, what actually happened, and I suppose what often happens with the stories like this verygardment is they begin to take you over a little bit they become you know, they haunt you for the day and night. So it became quite a compulsive

experience writing it. So yeah, that's how it came about.

very short. He was long, well below the average high. Even as an adult he never got to all of him five foot four, which you drew attention to him and he probably got teased a bit because of that. He had a very very bright ginger hair as well, which got in a lot of attention at school and a lot of bullying and things like that. But he came, as I say, he came over with his parents to live in North London, and he wasn't gifted academically, and he wasn't really He was a child that wasn't really

interested in anything. Nothing could engage him. He wasn't interested in anything at school, sport or academical or anything like that. But when he was eleven he went to Haverstock School in North London, which is today quite a respected school, but at that time was a school with a lot of problems, had a very bad record for discipline, bullying and that sort of thing. And he arrived at Avistock

and was bullied very very mercilessly. And one of the things that he used to do was he would put on a heavy overcoat with a hood and he'd wear it the whole time, even on hot summer days, as a way of sort of hiding from the world, you know. But on his first day at that school, in the playground, on the first day, he met another boy, David Mulcahey, and from then on his fate was sealed together that

partnership began. So that was it. He Duffy was raised as a Catholic, and what obviously becomes, without wanting to jump ahead too much, what does become important later on in the story is that Duffy's decent upbringing and religious upbringing and so on never quite vanished despite the dreadful crimes that he was led into. Much much late to something that came back as we were seeing.

and he sort of leader. Very quickly they both completely disengaged from their school life, so they began to just not go to school and they spent a lot of time just wandering around North London. Very near to their school was Hampstead Heath, which is a massive grade area of heathland in London, which is full of lonely places which they enjoyed skulking around in. And they started experimenting

with petty crime. I mean, if children aren't going to school, they need to do something to occupy those days when they can't, you know, hang around at home or anything. So they started a little bit of petty crime. They would do little bits of vandalism, they'd start fires, they would look at a damage, a little bits of theft, and that's the thing. But what was really crucial at this time as well is that in Britain at this time there was a real fascination amongst a lot of

youngsters with martial arts. This was the age of the Kung Fu Crace and Bruce Lee and so on and so forth. And these two boys got completely fascinated by this, probably as a way of trying to feel more confident with the world around them and take some revenge on the fact that they'd been victims of bullying and so on. And they started to train, and they started to really immerse themselves in a kind of martial arts philosophy, but a very skewed version of it, and they would endlessly

practice moves. They would pretend that they were soldiers or whatever and sort of you know, have these imaginary games. But it began to take on a more sinister ridge. They became completely detached from the world around them and operated in their own little bubble. They hardly interacted with anybody else, and they were heading down a path. Mccahe wanted to see himself as what he called an immortal warrior. You know, it was immature, It was tom foolery, but

at a late age. The other thing that they would start doing as they became adolescent, that they became sexually aware, is that they would pursue girls in the playground or whatever, and then when they grabbed them, they would touch them inappropriately and that sort of thing, all things that these days you would hope a school would notice and would, you know, would would look into. But in those days, you know, it's things were far less police than they were.

So by the time they're in their mid teens, you have already a history of petty crime, a fascination with martial arts and violence, and an aggressive sexual attitude. They had no interaction with with girls. They both by the time they left school, they had no qualifications at all and really had just they had become They had become complete outsiders. But their relationship was something that was entirely there's an expression fully had the madness of two people,

and that's what this really sort of became. They knew each other inside out. They had their own little world. It was no one else was really privy to at all, and unfortunately they were now on a path towards towards becoming becoming killers.

of occupation or commit to anything like that. Duffy showed some flair as a carpenter and he got an apprenticeship, but he wasn't kept on after he completed it because

he was so regularly absent. However, he then did manage to find work working with working for British Rail as a carpenter, and this allowed him free travel on all the rail networks in the Home counties and in London, so he built up a very very good knowledge of the railway very quickly, and I would imagine that David would have probably traveled with him quite a lot in the evenings when they were probably hanging around, or in

the daytimes. I would imagine that they probably both traveled on Duffy's free passes, wandering around and gradually noticing that the railways are a very good place to use if you want to attack people, because there's so many lonely spots, you know, especially in those days before there were CCTV and that sort of thing, it's an absolutely perfect opportunity for people to operate like that.

men for a short time. So we're talking by nineteen seventy eight, they're both they're both about twenty, and they're both married, and for a short time they both appeared to settle, have jobs and so on. McCaughey and his wife had children, Duffy and his wife couldn't have children, and by the early nineteen eighties both marriages appeared to have been there's possibly a bit of crisis both of them.

I think David was possibly possibly bored, restless and so on. Duffy, on the other hand, it appeared that he wasn't going to be able to have children, and this became a serious challenge to his sense of masculinity.

They broke in for a skylights and they waited there with the plan to rape her when she returned, but she just didn't come back, and they waited and waited, and then decided they couldn't wait any longer and they left. But an idea, I mean, we will never know what would have happened if that woman had come back at

this point. But the following year it happened again. There was a lady in Kensington who Mokahi decided was stuck up to use his term, so they broke in again with a plan to rape this woman and she did return, but she returned with a boyfriend and the two of them ran very quickly out of the house to avoid getting caught. And they found the whole experience exhilarating. They found that the lying in wait and the preparation was

a level of excitement they'd never experienced before. So if we moved forward six years and we don't know of anything that happened, in those six years after that, apart from some petty crime, some burglary and so on. But in nineteen eighty two, Duffy's marriage was in real crisis and his wife was going away for the weekend on a course, and he and David hatched a plan to kidnap a woman and torture her over the weekend. They were going to abduct her, drive around London blindfolded, take

her back to Duffy's flat. He'd even got a mattress prepared in the living room to keep her tied up on, and they would do various things. They were planning to walk her across a roof blindfolded to the edge, and all that kind of stuff. And again it didn't happen. They just when it came to the crunch, they just felt they didn't quite have the They didn't dare do it. But again the seed of an idea had formed and they were you know, it was another step towards committing

an actual crime of this nature. So on the next occasion that Duffy's wife went away, they decided to try again, and this time they broke into the back garden of a house in Abbey Road in North London Abbey Road, famous for the Beatles album, and a lady who lived in a flat on Abbey Road was just going to bed. She turned the light out in the living room and she saw a man standing on the balcony who was Duffy.

She rushed to open the door and scream across the garden and she heard a second man saying quick, let's go. And this was them, and this was the last time they were thwarted. They were angry because they were so close this time and they'd been thwarted. So then they decided that the third time they weren't going to miss

the opportunity. So in June nineteen eighty two, one Saturday night, they went out in the Mulcahy's car, drove around for hours, and then finally saw a young girl walking along Hampstead Heath very late, and they accosted her and both raped her, and then drove back the Duffy's flat in a high stage of excitement, going over what they've just done. This

is one of the things that they love. They love talking about their crimes afterwards and comparing notes and deciding who will we get next, what sort of victim will we choose. It was an unbelievably the complete disregard for for you know, for human feelings, and it was quite remarkable. But from then on it became a compulsion, and it just became more and more frequent over the next four years.

balaclavas or hoods. They would talk in accents which were different to where they were actually from to try and confuse the witnesses. They would drive around normally in a car, but then they would park it someway from where the attacks would take place. Malkahi would put tape inside his jacket and then he would use that to put over Victor's eyes and mouth and that sort of thing. It was planned with a militaristic precision, and they would carry

either knives or replica firearms with them or whatever. But although initially the publicity sort of excited them and they enjoyed out witting the police and so on, they did come a point when the attacks became so prolific that the police started to put them all together. I mean at first they didn't know. You know, the police didn't know. You have a random set of attacks taking place over a period of time in London with descriptions which are vague.

You don't know for sure that they are connected. Once they were connected, then posters started going up searching for the North London rapists, as they were known. And on one occasion they were driving through London one afternoon and they saw one of these posters outside the local police station. So Malcahi got out of the car and looked at the poster, which had some artists impressions of the two men on it, and got back in the car and said to Duffy, don't worry, it doesn't look anything like

us at all. But they realized that they were now attacking so much in the same area that they had to start moving further afield, which they did, and they then started moving further away from the area of North London they'd normally operated in. And around this time I think it becomes obvious that Murkahei had decided that it would be better if they didn't start leaving witnesses alive or victims alive after they finished with them, and gradually murder became more and more inevitable.

he would talk her up. She couldn't believe how quickly and how deptly he could do this, because he'd had so much practice at it by now. He would gag her all those kind of things. It was all another way of kind of reliving those experiences. And the violence became known to people living in the same block of flats as them, you know, they could hear the noise, they would see the effects of it, and so on, until eventually his wife did leave him, and when she

left him, he just went absolutely berserk. And he then over a period of time, she met someone else who Duffy found out about this, and then tracked them both down and attacked them both. He was then given He was then reported to the police, and he was put on a restraining order where he wasn't allowed to go near his wife at all. He sexually assaulted her at this point as well, and the trial for that was delayed and delayed, and it was during that time that

the murders took place. I think he probably knew by then he was probably on board time because the police now had his name on file, you know, if he hadn't committed those offenses against his wife. I dread to think how long this how much longer this could have gone on for actually, but he was becoming so out of control now. And the other thing that's important at this time is Duffy also started attacking alone as well. We don't know that David mccache ever did that, but

Duffy did start attacking alone. And when he attacked on his own, he was careless. He didn't go into it with the same kind of level of detail and preparation that they did together. So he would leave much more clues, much more forensic evidence, and so on and so forth. So gradually a more and more clear picture was building up for the police.

more sort of fickled with the kind of interest. So he would stay at home all day just watching violent movies, particularly ones that had you know, kind of violent towards women in them, also watching violent pornography and that sort of thing. And he was building up quite a collection of weaponry by this time as well, from various underground shops around London. He was buying sort of knives and costures and all that sort of thing, arts, magazines and

various literature. There was a particular book that he and David read at this time called The Anarchist Cookbook, which was which had been banned on and off over the years in the early seventies book, and that had all kinds of things in there, and techniques on how to garrop people and how to overpower people and all that sort of stuff. All of this was just feeding, you know,

this kind of this sort of compulsion that he'd discovered. Eventually, his absences got to the point that he lost his job at British rail and that gave him even more time to just wander around the railway network and nineteen eighty four, sorry, nineteen eighty five, rather was his most prolific year in terms of attacking on his own. One thing I don't know, actually, I've never managed to find the answer to this. I don't know if David Bolka

he knew about him operating on his own. It's an interesting thing because it was Duffy acting on his own which brought the police closer to them, and so he would have probably been pretty angry about that. But I don't know if he ever did know. Actually, I think he probably didn't. Duffy by this point obviously was not able to control this. Unlike mulcahey, he was always very very careful for deliberating and this sort of thing.

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by the police. The other thing, of course, is at that time forensic science was much less sophisticated than it is now. This was before DNA, so all that the police really had on that regard was blood grouping, and you know, that's that's pretty vague science. So what they had the characteristics of the attacks were. They were stranger attacks. They were normally committed around railway stations, most of them committed around North London. It was always two men, a

taller man and a shorter man. They didn't know much about the taller man, but the shorter one was about was very short and he had an a secrete the blood group The shorter man would often engage the girls in conversation. Sometimes what he said to them was deliber for disinformation to throw them off the scent. He would say that he'd just come out of prison or something, which no that was true. The shorter man would often apologize after the attack. The men would normally steal something

from the victims, often a house key. One of the things that was very significant is that they would ask the victims their names and addresses and say, if you report this, we will come and find you. Sometimes they would steal things which have the address on. For instance, they would do a library card or something like that. So obviously these women were absolutely terrified by this, so they were the main things, but the taller man. What they knew about the taller man was that sometimes he

had difficulty in carrying out the attacks. Sometimes he suffered from impotence. He also had a sort of slightly darker complexion. He was about five to eleven and was much more violent than the shorter man. And as the police began to put the attacks together, they noticed that the violence was visibly increasing, and what appeared to be the case was that the taller man was using the violence as a reaction to his impotence, and it would often cure it.

There was one particular attack on a twenty four year old beau pair and the taller man couldn't get an erection and he ordered the shorter man to mutilate her horrifically, and actually that threat suddenly changed everything and he then proceeded to Raper and so I think mccachey by that point, you know, realized that violence was violence was the real

appeal to him in this and domination. It's an interesting thing as well that many years later, when Duffy confessed to these crimes, he actually talks about this quite a lot and says that although initially it was the waiting and the planning that was the appeal of this for David, it became more and more about domination. And Duffy actually said his eyes were a blade when he was doing this.

He was a totally different person. And I've actually listened about interview tape with John Duffy saying that, and even at a distance of all those years, you can still hear a slight sense of surprise in his voice at just how possessed at these times Molkai became. So they were all the kind of characteristics that the police had or they had to go on in terms of they

had some descriptions. Obviously the men wore masks and stuff, but occasionally they would you know, occasionally, you know, witnesses saw them without them and so on. What they also had, as I say, was the fact that the shorter man was an a secrete to blood group, and there's various other little things like the taller man had a mole on his chin, he had dark brown hair, you know, that kind of stuff. But it was very vague. It

was very very poor information. And what obviously became most significant later on was that on one occasion these two men actually attacked two women at the same time. And this was the attack which became crucial to the whole case. And this attack took place in the July of nineteen eighty four on Hampstead Heath, and this was two Danish girls,

two eighteen year old Danish show pairs. They'd missed the last bus back from central London and were walking back and were walking along a long road by Hampstead Heath, which was very busy roads even at that summer night. There's plenty of cars going up and down there. Luffy and McCaughey had been driving around that night constantly searching for a victim and hadn't had any success, and they saw these two girls and they pulled over a bit further up the road and discussed whether or not they

would they would try and attack both of them. So they did so they used to pose as joggers doing this, so their tracksuits on. So they ran up behind them and bundled them down off the road onto the heath and rape them both. And that attack was crucial because it's the only time that they had what should we say say, uncorrupted evidence, forensic evidence from from both men, and that became very significant obviously many years later when

DNA technology had come in. At the time, it wasn't a great deal of use at all because neither man had, you know, neither man had any history of this sort of thing at that point. There was nothing on file that connected them. But so yeah, it was very vague. The more crimes that were committed, the more information the

police were getting. Another thing that was a telltale sign which allowed them to connect a lot of the cases, is that these two men also carried tissue with them, tissue paper which they kept inside matchboxes with some matches. And what they would do is they would give the tissue to the victims after the attacks, tell them to wipe the forensic evidence away, and then they would set

fire to it in front of them. And that was partly obviously to try and avoid any forensic detection but it was also a kind of psychological torture of the victims, sort of saying, and we've left no trace behind, you know, that sort of thing it was. You know, I think it was as much as psychological torture as a as a piece of forensic evasion.

a lot of reasons why this attack was significant. One was that as well as the violence increasing as these attacks went on, the other thing that started to increase was the sort of psychological torture of the victims, so that initially they would abduct these women and the attack with take place, and then they would run very quickly. What started to happen was they would abduct the victim and then take the victim a considerable distance before the

attack took place. They enjoyed that long drawn out process of having to lead them off somewhere further and further away from civilization and reducing the victims to a state of abject terror. Now, this was an example of that. This lady was This was in an area CaAl Brent Cross, which is where there's a very big shopping center and a lot of roads intersecting, so you've got huge, great motor flyovers and things like that. It's kind of concrete jungle.

So this woman was taken abducted there and she was walked a very long way down to where the river is. And the victims will often be stripped completely naked, no matter what time of year or time of night or whatever like this all part of that reducing them to a state of complete helplessness and vulnerability. And during that attack, mccahey actually get He said to her, want your name and address and all that sort of thing. It was a horrific attack and that lady was so taumti. She

did initially try to fight them off. She had an umbrella weather and she tried, but it was all completely you know, to no avail, and from then on the attacks in nineteen eighty five noticeably become very pronounced in their violence and in their protracted kind of quality. There was an attack on Hampstead Heath in the summer of nineteen eighty five, and when this girl was abducted, the taller man mccahey was constantly was screaming and screaming at Duffy,

stab her, stab her, stab her all the time. On another attack at this time, mccahey became so violent with the girl that Duffy actually pulled him off and said, I think someone's coming. He said, he was actually getting alarmed at how violent David was becoming, because Duffy's motivation throughout this was was entirely rape. That was that was entirely what the attacks were FORO with mccahee was becoming

something a bit different by now. So through nineteen eighty five there was a real proliferation of attacks, to the point that on one occasion there was three attacks in one night, which I think showed these two men at the height of their not only if they're evil, but their arrogance as well. The three attacks within a very short space of time, I think within three hours, something

like that. So at the end of the summer is when the is when the posters were going up for the North London rapists and that's the point when they made the decision to call off for a bit and then move further afield. And the next thing that happened was was was their first murder.

Harley's Area Rape Team. Ian Harley was the officer in charge with at the time and it was set up from a huge incident room in North London where every bit of information was put through a computer, a very primitive computer at the time, and a series of appeals took place. The police appealed for any other women who may have been attacking these circumstances to come forward, and huge numbers of women came forward, not all of them attacked,

probably by the same two men. But obviously, if you've been attacked by a stranger and you fear that he stood out there somewhere, you would want that, you know, you would want to hope that that you know that that something's being done to find him. So, as I say, although computers became very important in this case, it was very early, very early stages of that, and the computers

weren't talking to each other. What they were really useful for was collating information and making it easy to access information. At one point in the book, I drew a comparison quite a lot with the Yorksire Ripper Inquiry, which had taken place five years earlier, which was a disastrous inquiry in terms of the fact that everything was still done manually on paper. So at the end of that inquiry the police had something like two million statements from witnesses.

So if someone came forward and said I think I saw the attacker and that he had blonde hair and a mustache. They had no way of cross referencing all that. They had to go through everything manually, whereas with a computer's ins and out they could just put those details in and it would throw up every single statement which mentioned one of those things. I mean, this is child's plain. Now,

this is the basic function on a word document. But in those days it was revolutionary, you know, and you know, enormously important when you've got an inquiry which is so far reaching at the time. But Operation Heart was running from the summer onwards and it ran for just under a year and was no closer to finding these two men.

But there was one very important thing that Operation Heart did, which was because the one they knew was that the shorter man had an a secrete to Blood group, Operation Heart ran a check on every single man in London who had an a secrete to Blood group who had a conviction for a sexual offense, and they came out just under two thousand names, and it was simply a case of working through them one by one. John Duffy was number one thousand, five hundred and ninety five on

that list. So you know, everyone has to be worked through. So they began working through it, and they got to Duffy the following summer. But what's also important to know is that Operation Heart, within about ten months, was actually due to be closed down because resources were very tight and it didn't appear to be making any progress. In fact, it was making very good progress, but it hadn't led to an arrest, and it was very very close to being shut down when thankfully a breakthrough was made.

up Duffy and said, let's go hunting. This was their regular term that they used for going out looking for a victim. They called it hunting. What they would do is they would drive around in David's car and they would play music to cite themselves up. Their favorite track to play was was Thriller by Michael Jackson and they would sing along as they were, you know, scaring the

streets looking for a victim. Anyway, Duffy had arranged to go out with his parents, but he made an excuse, got changed into darker clothes and McCarthy picked him up and they took McCarthy's children to their grandparents, dropped them off there, and then started to drive around looking for a victim. As far as Duffy knew at this point, they were looking for another rape victim, and that was all he knew. They drove round and this was the

Sunday after Christmas. It was a very very cold night, and also it was it had been a long Christmas holiday that year by the way, that the Christmas Day fell so therefore most businesses didn't go back to work until the following Monday. So that Sunday night in London was a quiet one. There was lots of lots of

lonely places around. They followed along the North London Lane till they came to hackney Wick, which was at that time a very rundown area which was mainly warehouses, factories and so on, a lot of which were empty by this time. They parked up and they waited at hackney Wick station. It was an area that they had already wrecked and knew was a good place for an attack. They waited, and unfortunately, nineteen year old Allison Day stepped off the train to go and meet her boyfriend who

was working at a printer's around the corner. She was going to keep him company because he was working overtime, and they grabbed Allison and she came off the train and took her to a concealed area. One of the things particularly terrible with this is that, apart from all the other indignities that Alison suffered by them, it was their most up to this point, their most extreme kind

of torture psychological torture. To get her from the railway station down to under the railway bridge would have been a simple enough case of walking her out of the station and entrance, but instead of which they walked her across the live railway tracks and down the embankment and

under the bridge. There she was raped by both men and then in Duffy's mind, the idea was to take her back across the bridge and leave her on the other side of the river and then make their escape, but Malcahey decided instead to make her walk along the ledge on the outside of the bridge at knife Point, which on a freezing cold night it was impossible. So she fell into the water and as she fell in

she screamed out that she couldn't swim. Duffy managed to pull her out, and as soon as he did, she ran for her life with absolutely no idea where she was going. She didn't know the area at all, and this absolutely enraged Mlcahey the fact that the victim had defied him. This was something that happened quite a bit in the attacks as well. If a victim tried to escape or defy him, that would normally set him off

into a complete frenzy of violence. So he yelled out to Duffy to get her, and he used Duffy's first name, and I think he probably did that deliberately to give him an excuse to turn to murder. They captain Allison mccahey raped her again, and then they led her across playing fields and tortured her and then killed her. And McCarty killed her using this extraordinary method which he'd gleaned from martial arts books, which is called a Spanish windlass.

What that basically is is a piece of wood put into a knot in a rope and then twisted so that you get an enormous, big, tight grip on something. It was a martial arts method. And he then handed it to Duffy and said, we're in this together. You do it too, And then Allison was rolled into the river and they fled and Duffy went back to join his parents at a party, and he was panicking about what they'd done, and Macay said it had to be done.

We would have been done for attempted murder anyway. The murder of Allison Day was an enormous news story at the time. Allison Day lived very close to where we lived. She actually had gone to school with my brother actually, and she was missing for over two weeks before she was found. And in that two week there were enormous appeals in the press and the following Sunday after the after the murder, there was roadblocks set up outside the

local station. You know, did anybody have you seen this girl? And so on, and the case was being run by the local police. Had very little to go on. There were no eyewitnesses, nothing like that, and then after Allison's body was found, the only thing that the police had to go on was this very unusual murder effort. Because she'd been in the water for so long, there was no forensic evidence left at all. The inquiry was run on a very low budget because at that time police

resources were drained very low. There was a very big strike action taking place by the by newspapers in London at this time and it was called the Whopping dispute, and it drained a lot of police resources. So there was very little money and the inquiry was being run

on a shoe string basically. And after about three months, the officer who was running it was moved off to do something else and my dad, who was based at that station, who by this time had been in the job for nearly thirty years and had a really good record as for solving murders, was told to take the case over. And he was told to take the case over and wind it down because it wasn't getting anywhere.

But what he did was, rather than just say okay, I'll do that, he spoke to all the troops on the ground, so to speak, and said, what do you think we should do? And they all said, we don't want to give up yet, we just need more resources. That's sort. So my dad went back to his superiors and said, we want to keep this going, and it was constant pressure, constant pressure. We can't afford it. We

have to close it down. And eventually my dad said to his superior if you want to close this inquiry down, you can do that, but you can be the one that goes and tells that girl's parents, because I'm not going to do it. And thankfully, within a week of that he had made the breakthrough which led this to be to become the biggest criminal man Hunting's Gewish rip up. It was that close to being closed down, and I'll remain forever proud of him for the fact that he

refused to give up. He had a real bulldog quality like that. So the breakthrough that he made was that he asked for. He started a second wave of publicity which generated some kind of interesting information. But the other thing that was important was that he wanted to have a check done on any crimes that had been committed near railway lines, any kind of sexual crimes that have been committed in the last year, and inevitably, the Operation

heart Attacks came to his attention. The other thing that he noticed was another crime that was committed a few months after Allison's murder, which was the murder of a fifteen year old schoolgirl about thirty miles away, and for some reason this intrigued him and he just wondered if it could have been the same man or men striking again.

So he phoned up Surrey Police who were looking after this inquiry and asked how the victim had been killed and they said she's been strangled, and my dad said, well, our victim was strangled as well. But there was one peculiarity, which was that this tunique method of murder had been used, this Spanish windlass, and the officer from Surrey said, well, what do you mean by that, and he said, well, it's a piece of wood put into a rope and

twist it. And there was a silence on the phone because what the Surrey police had actually thought was that when they saw their body with rope around the neck, the piece of wood had fallen out of the knot and was lying next to the body. They hadn't connected it, and then they suddenly realized that's what the piece of wood was doing there, had fallen out of the knot in the rope. And they said, I think we've got the same man. I think this is the same case.

So what with that connection and with a connection with this operation heart series of rapes, they suddenly realized that was it, and then they pulled their resources. So this went from being an inquiry which was being running to the ground to being an enormous one with massive amounts of resources put into it.

her age, very protected, but happy and very studious. And on the seventeenth of April nineteen eighty six, Marty had been at school for the day and she came home from school and was very excited because that weekend she was going on a school trip back to Holland and she wanted to buy some English suite to take back to her friends over there. So when she got home from school, she had something to eat, and then she said to her mum, I'm going to go and cycle

down to the sweet shop. Her mum said to her, that's sign. But always remember take the main road, don't take that little path along the railway line. There is a path along the railway line in this village which the it's a local beauty spot. But Marty's parents, good parents, said don't take that on your own because it is

a bit lonely. Marty, being you know, like any other child of that age, said yes, of course, I won't do that, and then did, and unfortunately she took that railway path and Duffy and morcarty were waiting for her. What had happened was that because they'd realized that by now the attacks in London were being connected, they decided to go even further afield. And McCarty has found this location in Surrey by the railway line. How he found it,

we'll never know. He visited it a few days before Marty's death and lurked around on the path and jumped out on an old lady and frightened her. And this was him just sort of rehearsing, you know, how good an ambush site is this, What are the escape routes and so on. So they came back on the afternoon of the seventeenth of April and saw Marty cycling along towards the sweet shop. They watched her go and then Marcaty said what goes up must come down. In other words,

she'll be coming back in a few minutes. So they tied a tripwire across the path and then they hid her on either side of it, and as Marty came back, she stopped her bike puzzled at this tripwire and that's when they grabbed her and from where that happened. And if you actually go there where Marty was aducted, it would take you about five seconds to then take someone into the trees and be hidden. But they didn't want to do that. They decided to walk her almost a

mile just to protract that torture. So they walked her around the perimeter of a field, through the woods into another field, all the way around the edge of that field, and then to almost a point where beyond where I could see, and then Malcahey said this will do Duffy rake to maca. He kept a lookout, and then something curious happened. Duffy then got Marty up to lead her

back and realized that mcahy had vanished. McCarty had gone back to dispose of Marty's bicycle and he'd got trapped on the way back because a woman walking a dog had seen him, So he was hiding in a field. There were quite a few people around. It was a popular dog walking area, so there were a lot of

descriptions of him. Eventually Duffy saw him waving across the field and he gestured to an area of concealed woodland and they led Marty in there, and when they got in there, for some reason, mcahey just went again, just went absolutely into a frenzied state and began to attack Marty and hit her with a rock, not her unconscious and interesting at this point that doesn't appear to have been any sexual assault. I think for McCaughey by now it was all about violence and wasn't about any sexual

gratification at all. So he then ordered Duffy to strangleer, saying I did the last one, you do this one. And then they split up, having stolen the money that Marty had on her, and they then walked back to the railway station. But then mckahy went back to the body and attempted to set fire to it to conceal any forensic evidence, and then rushed back to the station, where he was seen by a lot of people in

the village. There was very very good I witness saw him and got on a train back to London with Duffy and Marty's parents obviously were frantically not knowing where she was. She was missing overnight. The police were called, the neighbors were searching the woods and so on, and first thing, the following morning, two men in the woods found her body and sorry police arrived at the scene, and in the words of John Hurst, who was the officer who led the Marty Tambosa murder, he said, it

was probably the worst murder he'd ever ever seen. It was a savage, brutal attack, and the amount of energy that Surrey put into solving that murder was colossal. They were a wealthier police force, they had a lot more resources, but they were absolutely tireless initially. Obviously they had no idea that this murder was connected with any other crimes, and their first assumption was that it was a local crime.

It had every suggestion of being a local crime because, apart from anything else, the geography of the attack, because the route that mccahey was seen escaping from was an area which you know, you'd have to probably know the area pretty well to even know existed, and on my first visit there myself, I couldn't even find it with a map, which just shows you just how much planning had gone into this on a kind of militaristic sort

of level. So Surrey were, you know, doing all the usual things to try and solve this, but more and more people claim to have seen this man covered in running for the London train, and that made them realize that this was probably not a local crime at all. And then it was at this point that the phone call came through from my dad to say, I think we've got the same person here. The piece of wood that was lying next to the body from the Spanish windlass.

Sorry assumed that had been used as an accelerant to burning the body, but then they realized, of course it wasn't it. There was a tourniqueke. So from then on the inquiry really gathered momentum. After that.

string on their own would mean nothing. They were their three items, which are absolutely you know, indistinct, aren't they. In fact, all three of them were very relevant. The tissue and matches obviously was a common trait in the rape attacks and so on. The wood for the tourniquet. The string was subjected to all kinds of tests and it turned out to be this very unusual paper based string called som yarn, and only one manufacturer in the country supplied it, and it was a manufacturer in the

north of England, a long way from here. It was unusual because it wasn't sold in shops. It was only sold to for industrial use. It was used mainly to tie sacks, you know, laundry bags first, silizer bags and that sort of thing. And what was also it actually came from John Duffy's wife. She worked in a laundry at this point and it was used there to tie

up the laundry bags. Well. What was also significant was that not only was it this unusual piece of string, but the actual reel of string that Duffy had used was in itself unique. When the string came off the reelers in the factory, the bits at either end when they're being cut are always slightly longer or shorter than average. They're what they call end strips. And when they measured the string that had been used to tie up Marty Tambosa, they found it had indeed come from an edge strip.

So the expert at the factory said, if you find the rest of this ball of string, you'll be able to match it absolutely hundred percent, because this is absolutely unique. Apart from the fact that it's four years old, it's not manufactured more, it's paper based and so on. So they had they'd noted down everything from the direction of the twist of the string, the width and so on

and so forth. So they knew that if ever they found in any suspects house and they were going through all these endless people on this day to day so sexual offenders, one of the things they'd be looking for would be string, and if they found any of it, it would be subjected to rigorous, frantic examination in the hope that they could do a match on it. Because of it was unique. It's an extraordinary piece of detection. But then that's what detection comes down to in the end.

It's you methodical wearing out of shoe leather and not leaving any stone unturned.

six and for a birthday present. Her birthday was approaching. Her husband decided he was going to buy a car, so and sold her old car that weekend. On the Sunday, her husband had gone away for the weekend, he was in an Acua, a sub apcal club club. She couldn't go because she was on call from work. There was a possibility of overtime. She was called on a Sunday afternoon and after she could come into the offices in London.

She lived just outside London, in Hertfordshire, North London, and she would normally have driven in being a Sunday, the traffic being quiet, but she'd just told her car, so she took a train. She took a train into London, went to the office, work on the scripts that she needed typing up, and then at about half a state

at nights, she headed for home. She was never seen again and was missing for over two months before she was found, and obviously at this point there was no reason to connect her with the other with the other crimes. The newspapers picked up on the case instantly. It was known as the missing bride story and became a media sensation, and it was a very unfortunate time. Her husband became a suspect because you know, most murders are committed by

people that victon knows. So the poor man was not only having to deal with you know, disappearance to his wife, but with all kinds of speculation and insinuation in the press. What had actually happened was that Duffy and macka he had that Sunday afternoon gone to Brooklyn's Park in Hertfordshire,

which was Anne's local station. Again. And you play to commit an attack like this if you go there, because the station is bordered by countryside and you've only got to step from the platform and you're into a very concealed path with very long grass and so on. They waited around there most of the day and were seen by various people, and then in the evening, once the station guard had gone, they waited and waited. They were

actually waiting for a specific victim. Mccahey had been there several times on previous Sundays and seen a girl always getting off a train with a white case, obviously someone who went away on regular trips every weekend, and that's who they were waiting for. But for some reason that Sunday she never appears, and they were all set to give up when suddenly and steps off the train and they abducted her and led her the furthest distance they

led any of their victims. They walked her for over half an hour through the woods, and then Duffy raped to one of a car. He kept watch, and then McCary told Duffy to go back to the car, and he said take your time about it. So Duffy went back to the car on the way rifling through hand handbag, feeling some money and throwing the rest of it away.

McCarty was on for a long time and Duffy started to get anxious and was just about to drive off looking for him when he saw mccar he running towards the car in a very very high state of excitement. McCarty got in and said let me drive, and Stuffy said, what have you done? And he said, you'll see she won't be telling anyone. And he then said, as they drove off, keep your eyes open for another one. Thankfully there never was another one, but on this occasion mcarhy

had murdered her alone. So she was missing for weeks and weeks and weeks, and there were you know, vast searches of the area carried out. It was a very very hot summer. The undergrowth was so high and police searched and searched. She was found such a long way from the stay that it's hardly surprising, you know, that she was beyond the boundaries of where the search had

been you know, had been set. The search was finally called off in the middle of July, and then just after that some railway workers did find that by then, unfortunately she had her body was dreadfully decomposed because of the time it had been outside in ferocious hot weather. My mum and dad's wedding anniversary was actually the day that and Locke was found. I remember my dad telephoning to say that he wasn't going to be home to take my mum out dinner because, you know, because of

what had happened. And I spoke to the officer who actually drove my dad out to the scene, and he said my dad looked at the body and saw how she'd been tied up and said, that's the same man, definitely, you know. So yeah, and so by now the body count was was three and and Lock was the last, the last woman to lose her life to those two men.

the murder of Ann Locke. Actually Duffy had taken a train out to a place called north Wald, which was a long way outside London in quite a rural area, and two police officers were driving through that area on completely different matter, and one of them spotted Duffy because this officer had actually been present when Duffy had been interviewed about the attack on his wife, and he thought, I wonder what he's doing here. He's a long way

from home. So they stopped him and searched him and they found on him a knife, matches and tissue paper, which didn't mean anything to them at the time but obviously was actually very significant. Later on they decided to take him into the police dates with questioning, and they asked him why he was carrying a knife, and he said it was to it was to cut away knots in his shoelaces, which as excuses go, it's got to

be one of the less convincing ones. So he was charged with possession of an offensive weapon and put on bail.

But obviously that became huston significant later. Of course, these two officers hadn't see no idea that Duffy was involved in anything at this time other than the attack on his wife, but they did what they could, which is too and the magistrates when Duffy was taken to call about this, they argued that he shouldn't be bailed, that he was clearly a dangerous man, But the magistrate didn't feel that legally he could be refused bail, so he was given bail and Locke died about four days later.

the shorter man had very piercing blue eyes. He was also very his answers were run convincing. He was rig lib and trying to be much too helpful on occasions and then other times please innocence to ridiculous things, you know, like they asked me if he'd ever been in the Guildford area, which is where Marty Tambosa was killed, and he said, where's the Guildford area where anybody who lived in in the southeast of England would know? It's you know, it's a big town. It was a silly thing to say.

But also what was significant was that while Duffy was being questioned by these two officers, they both they then both went out of the room and said to each other, we think that this could be him. While they're out of the room, Duffy looked down on the desk and he saw on the on the desk the photo fits for the North London rapists, and realized that the game was up, that this could you know, this didn't look good for him. So two things happened as a result

of that meeting, which were crucial. Firstly, these two officers went to their superior and said we've seen someone that we're not really happy with, and their boss, being a good detective, said okay, I trust your judgment. We'll have a little we'll have a closer look at him. There are a number of things that were against Duffy. For instance, he had ginger hair, where as a lot of the witnesses said that the shorter man had fair hair, but that's a trick of you know, nighttime sodium lighting and

so on and so forth. But they decided to look at him. What Duffy did was as soon as he left that police station, he was in a stage of panic because he knew that the police were closing in. So he went to a friend of his that he knew from martial arts training, who was a rather gullible, naive boy. And Duffy had been for a while, probably

trying to probably use the word groom him now. Actually he would a casion he dropped hints about them committing a crime together, which this boy wasn't interested in the tour, but Duffy was trying. Duffy went and told him this ridiculous story that there was someone was after him. He'd stumbled across something secret and people were after him to try and silence him, and he needed to find a

way out of it. So he said to this boy, I want you to slash me with this knife and beat me up so that I can then claim that I've been mugged and I've got amnesia and don't know anything. He begged and pleaded this guy. Guy did it. Duffy then stumbled into the local police station saying I've been mugged and I don't know who I am. I don't have any memory anymore, and he was taken to a

local mental hospital for observation. So, of course, the following day the police decided to take a closer interest in Duffy found this out and thought this was not only unlikely but also interesting. But duffy Ry now was a patient in a mental hospital, so they couldn't get him out of there. Unfortunately, Duffy was an outpatient he was free to come and go as much as he wanted, and at this point, knowing that the game was just

about up. One day he left the mental hospital and raped another girl, a fourteen year old schoolgirl, and he actually said when he abducted her, he said, the police are after me. The police were indeed after him by now, and they put him under a prolonged period of observation, and he outwitted him a few times because he knew

the railway networks so well. Eventually, one night they saw him heading towards a park in North London, obviously preparing to come at another offense, and they couldn't take any risks, so they swooped and arrested him and brought him for questioning. So he was arrested finally November nineteen eighty six and claimed he had no memory. He never denied these crimes. Interesting he didn't say he did do them. He didn't say he didn't do them. He just said he couldn't

remember anything. It was obvious that he Anneedsa was faked, because he is. The whole thing wasn't very convincing, but there wasn't much they could maneuver with it. He just wouldn't say a word the most important question they had was who was the other man? And Duffy wasn't saying anything. There was two reasons he wasn't saying anything. One obviously because he was pleading ignorance for all the crimes, but also because Duffy and McCaughey from the very start had

sworn a bond of allegiance to each other. They'd always sworn that if one of them was caught, they would never ever tell on the other person. And Duffy had said to mccahey, if you get caught, I'll look after your family and so on. It's an extraordinary sort of

packed between them, and Duffy honored that. But the police went to neighbour's friends, family relatives, Duffy's wife and so on, and it became clear very quickly that the only person really that Duffy associated with, the only person right through his life, was David mccahey, And when they looked at mccahi's description and so on and so forth, they thought this has to be the man. So mccahey was arrested and brought him for questioning, and was very lived very

cockshaw an interview. He knew they didn't really have very much, and they put him on identity parades and a lot of the girls didn't pick him out. They were terrified. In those days, you had to walk along the line and actually put your hand on someone. And you know, this was the man who had told them that he knew where they lived and if anything happened, if they reported it, he would come back for them. So it was hardly surprising, but there were little bits of circumstantial

evidence that gradually began to come together. Mccar he's alibi weren't very strong, and there was various other things, descriptions. They did a massive search of his home and found weapons. They found tissues, matches, he was an on smoker, knives, blinding tape, that sort of thing, and a lot of these items were found in the cab of his van. Even but even though they tried and tried, there just wasn't enough to hold him. So unfortunately, after extensive questioning,

mccar he was released. And in fact, one of the police officers told me that when he went to return mcar's clothes, when they came back from forentic examination the car, he was standing on his doorstep laughing at them, and he said, we'll come back. I'll be back knocking on this door again one day, and he just laughed. But

of course, of course they did eventually. But anyway, Duffie was prepared for trial, pleaded not guilty to everything on the ground that he didn't know what anyone was talking about, and went for trial at the Old Bailey and was found guilty on all the accounts of rape that he was accused of and two of the three murders, but the murder of Anne Locke he was found not guilty of, the reason being that there was absolutely no forensic evidence at all because Anne's body was so badly decomposed, and

the judge said that it would be an unsafe conviction to do that, so at least there was closure on the other things. So Duffy then went down for life imprisonment in January nineteen eighty eight, and my dad retired from the police force and David mulcahe slipped back into society as a family man, and nothing more was heard of the case for nearly ten years, and then this extraordinary, final final chapter occurred.

prepared to talk. And Duffy by this point had had a complete mental collapse. Although his amnesia was faked by the time that it came to you know, his parents finding out Aboudy his crimes and so on and so forth, he'd actually had a mental breakdown. And so he'd lived in prison in a kind of complete phase of isolation

and oblivion to everything. So this meeting with his police officer sort of triggered memories to start coming back to him, and Duffy said that it looked like Duffy might cooperate, but he was worried about the effects of revisiting his past would have on him, and he asked if he could have some sort of counseling which and so the police's attitude was a sort of softly softly approach on this. Duffy then began seeing a psychiatrist in prison and began

talking to her. Now she didn't know anything about the background to the case or the fact that there was another man that was still at large, but Duffy began to journey back into his past and when it got to him talking about his school days, he mentioned David Mukahey and revealed that they had committed these crimes together. The psychiatrist said, which prison is here, and Duffy said, he's not in prison. He was never caught, which the

course was absolute jaw dropping to her. So she said, look, I'm going to have to report what you've said, and Duffy was fully aware of that. So she went to Duffy's file and there she found a note that had been left by the police to say, if John Duffy ever starts talking about these crimes, we would like to

know about it. So she contacted that officer and told him what was happening, and said, could you give me some more details about the case so that I can ask more And he said no, I can't do that. This was a very shrewd piece of manuverent by the police, the officer said. And I can't do that because if I start giving you information on the background to the case in the years to come, if this ever comes to court, a clever counsel could say that I had put words into your mouth, so I can't do it.

So everything that he says will have to be done with a complete lack of knowledge on your part. Guffy then went through a very detailed set of confessions detailing everything that had happened between him and David McCaughey. But there was an extraordinary thing that he couldn't possibly have known that was happening at the same time of this,

And it really is. And I said in the book that the final chapter of this case is one of the most remarkable stories in British criminal history for reasons, and not least for this one. At the same time that Duffy was journeying back into the past, an identical series of rapes was beginning to take place in the same area of North London that he and David had operated him. The police officers working on this didn't have any knowledge of this previous case ten to fifteen years ago.

These attacks that were taking place were again stranger attacks in the Hampstead Heath area with a knife from so on and so forth, but this time it was only one man doing the attacks. They did have a DNA profile of the attacker, because by now DNA had come into forensic science. They had a DNA profile, but they had no hits on the database. It was obviously someone who didn't have a record. One of the officers, Caroline Murphy, was talking to a colleague about this and saying how

frustrating it was that there was no result. And this colleague said, I remember a case in the eighties that I worked on where there were two men and one of them we never managed to get. I wonder if it could be him. So Caroline looked into this and came up with a name, David mulcahe, and on running a check, discovered that mccahey lived in exactly in the center of where these attacks were taking place. It looked like an open and shotcase. He started he'd become active

again and that was it. So David was arrested, brought into the police station and was, as ever, very very cocky and very aggressive and very arrogant, and they asked him if he would provide a sample for DNA, and he was rather sort of, sort of dismissive about it, and they asked him if perhaps he could provide some hair which would be enough. And throughout this entire questioning he didn't look at the female officer once until this point.

He suddenly looked at her and basically tried to intimidate her with his stare, reached into his hair and just pulled the chunk of it out, just ripped it out of the roots. It was apparently just the most vile thing. But she thought, I'm not going to give him the satisfaction of reacting to this. So he gave her this hair and they run a check on it and found that it was to match that he was indeed innocent, So they had to go back and say to him, okay, right,

it's not you. Off you go, and he knew he wasn't involved in it. Sometime later the rapist was caught. It was the fact where Edward Biggs. It was just pure coincidence that McCaughey fitted the profile of him. However, because Caroline Murphy's interest in this had made her wonder, if, you know, if it had been macah oppressing again. Now that they had DNA, they wondered if there were any exhibits left over from the eighties offenses that were still

around which could now be checked for DNA. Sure enough, they found some exhibits from the eighties and when they did a DNA check, they came out with David mccaughy's DNA on them. And that was an extraordinary breakthrough because it was set forward by a series of coincidences. Now, of course, the DNA profile on its own would be enough to secure a conviction on one of the counts

of rape. They also found fingerprints which they hadn't had a technology to detect before, on the inside of a piece of tape, and then most of port and of all they also now had the confessions of John So Mtarhi was arrested again and this time he really assumed that the police were clushing at Straw's And when he was sat down, he was told you're being interviewed now in connection with some offenses in the eighties, and he

just couldn't believe it. And then they mentioned DNA and DNA profile had been found, and he vomited in the police interview room in shock and realized that this was the end. The police then spent two years building up the case against him. It was an extraordinary inquiry. A lot of the paperwork from the eighties had been destroyed or lost, so they had to go back and track down victims. A lot of the rape victims were now

living in other parts of the world. They had to track these women down and say to them, we need you to revisit this and we can't guarantee a conviction. And a lot of these women had moved on with their lives. They were now married or whatever, and hadn't told their partners about this ordeal that they'd been through. It required. The amount of professionism it required is impossible

to underestimate. But it culminated in the longest murder trial in British criminal history, which ran for four and a half months at the Old Bailey and led eventually to an incredible result. David mccarr. He was found guilty of fifteen different counts, three murders, seven rapes, and five for attempted break the conspiracies to rape, and realized on the announcement of the guilty verdicts that he was going to

spend the rest of his life in prison. And in fact, when he came into court on the day of the announcer of the verdicts, he really thought he got away with it. He was so arrogant and so smug, and I think when the first guilty was read out, I think the blood drain from his face and you realized the game was up. And John Duffy gave evidence against him over fourteen days. It was the first time ever that a category A prisoner had given evidence at the

Old Bailey like that. And throughout that fourteen days, mccar he tried everything he was he'd shout across the dock at Duffy, he would glare at him and so on that Duffy wouldn't be swayed. He told everything. And the other thing was that Duffy actually confessed to a load more crimes which the police hadn't been able to prove before. So the only thing that Duffy got out of it was another life sentence. And that's what couldn't that's why

McCarthey defense didn't have a leg to stand on. They couldn't in any way suggest that Duffy was doing this to try and you know, get he sentence reduced or anything. His sentence was doubled, He wasn't reduced, you know. So an extraordinary, extraordinary affair.

little bit closer to it like this. And what I found amazing is to carve my mind back to my childhood and think of all the times that I can see now my dad coming in from work each evening, and you know, you're a child, you don't really think about it when I think about what he had, what he'd spent his whole day having to deal with, and it just never showed on him at all. He had this extraordinary ability, like all policemen have to have, of just being able to close off, to just shut down,

to leave his work at the office. And I couldn't do that. And I wasn't even you know, I was only doing this secondhand. You know, I wasn't personally involved in this case or anything. But I found it really really difficult to shut off from this. I found it extremely traumatic and very very haunting. But he'd actually, you know, he'd been there on the ground dealing with, you know, the victims and their families and so on. So it was a remarkable resilience and mental discipline that he'd had

and which all policemen have. And it was and I think the other thing as well, like this is I hadn't realized before it was a word I'd always taken for granted, was the word detective. But I noticed I realized by talking to so many policemen through this, just what respect they have for that word. You know, to be a policeman is one thing. To be a detective is a specific thing beyond that, and it requires a particular type of person. And he was. He was a

great detective. You know, they all, all of the officers who who you know, who were key to this inquiry were really great detectives. It's a remarkable story of detection against all odds. They were, you know, these two men were were brought to justice eventually by more than anything else, by persistent detection. So I think that would be the answer to that. Yeah, I think his his mental resilience and his detective skills.

Britain it had been used. And obviously that's that's gone into a lot more in the book as well, But there's so much work has been done in that field today and we know so much more is known about that at the time, this was unheard of in Britain and I'm proved to be very very significant.

of the most important cases. For those that might want to look at your rather work or if there a face book page, how could people contact you or find out more about your work.

I can be contacted through that as well. We've I've been very, very moved by the reaction that this book's got, because the most important thing for me was to, you know, to do the story justice, not just to my father, but to all the opposite who works on it, and all to all the people who were personally affected by it. And we've been nominated for the Gold Dagger Award for the Crime Writers Association, which is very satisfying. That's really nice because you know, it's well, it's just it's a

nice little thing to have. But I'm I'm glad I did it regardless of that, because it it was important for me, and it is a story that I do think is important to be remembered.