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Today we're going to be talking about one of the oldest continuously active religious communities in the United States. It's called Casadaga, and it's in Florida, which means that this is one of the places that we went to when we went to Florida. Yes. This was one of the places where we went for part of a day just to explore it because it's very tiny. But we were very excited because it's considered the psychic capital of the world. I loved that all the streets were properly named too, for it.
Oh, yes, yes. For example, when we were walking, we're going to talk about the various places, but one of the cross streets was Mediumship Way and Spiritualist Street. Yeah, yeah. They were like, we want you to know the fucking vibe. Yes. As soon as you get here. It was so cute. We're going to talk about our visit there and what that was like, but before we do that, we're going to talk a bit about the history.
So. So the founding of Casadago would not be possible without a man named George Colby. And his medium power surfaced when he was a teenager. And as he got older, his reputation as a medium and a public speaker grew. So he traveled throughout the east and Midwest. And we're, you know, we're talking about a while ago. We're Talking about the 1800s, right. This is olden times. So traveling is difficult. Knowing about people is harder, you know, Like, I don't know.
This wasn't included in the outline. And I realized I didn't say the year, so now I'm winging it. And you can tell, know. But anyway, he was traveling to and fro. Again. You could tell this isn't our normal recording day. You could tell I was gonna say. I was like, it's an off recording vibe. You can feel it. Okay, so he was in Iowa doing. All I thought of is he was in Iowa doing Iowa things. You know, Iowa. He was in Iowa doing Iowa thing. You know what I mean? You gotta wink. So, okay.
Colby was attending a seance in Iowa when his Native American spirit guide, Seneca told him to go see T.G. gidding and his family in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. There was a lot of information there. There was a lot, right? We've got a lot. We've got a lot of information from this. So after he's instructed to go see Gidding in Wisconsin, he goes and sees him. Those two fellas have a little seance with some other people.
We're not a hundred percent sure who all came, but we know there was more than just the two of them. So we're going to just call them the group, because what else are you going to call them? You know what I mean? You mean they. They didn't have a sign in log? No, no. We need to get on that, or. At least it's not accessible to us. So anyway, the group is like, yes, we are going to establish a spiritualist camp in Florida.
So they leave from Minnesota, and then they go to Chicago, then they head to Louisville, and then they go to Montgomery, Alabama, by train. The traveling notes here, look, I'm not saying they make the most sense. I am saying there's some gaps because they went to Montgomery by train, and yet they're going to travel down the Chattahoochee by a boat. But anyway, this is the news we've got, so it's the news we're giving.
So he goes down the Chattahoochee on a boat with the group, then they get on a train to Tallahassee, then they go to Jacksonville. All of this to say they went a lot of places. They saw a lot of faces. They. Then they got. They went from Minnesota to Jacksonville, Florida. Then they were traveling on a steamboat named the Volusia to Blue Springs. By the way, they're going to end up in Volusia. So it's kind of funny.
And from my understanding, they went on the St. John's river, which is in Jacksonville and shockingly, St. John's County. So, okay, they get out their little steamboat. They decide, you know what we're going to do? We are going to camp on a riverbank in rural Florida. Sounds horrible to me. That sounds like a bad idea. That sounds like a recipe for gators and ghosts. And you're the future ghost. Yep. So they're like, ooh, we don't know what to do. So we're just gonna camp next to this river.
Sure. Then Colby says, like, hey, Seneca appeared to me. They gave me a vision of what the camp's gonna look like, where the place is. So he's like, we're gonna get in a wagon and we're gonna follow the directions. So they do, which I just Love the faith in this. One of your friends is like. Your friend calls you. They're like, oh, my God, I have a fucking vision. Let's get in a wagon and form a. And you're like, oh, fucking K. Let's go, George. So, okay, that's what they did. Accurate history.
So then when they get to the place, Colby's like, seneca, is this the place? And Seneca tells him, fuck, yeah, this is the place. Word for word. Word for word. So this is what's eventually known as Cassadaga. And it's named Cassadaga because it reminded him of the Casadaga Hills of New York, which I like saying Casadaga. And if you haven't said it out loud, I would encourage you to do so. Now. That's my new thing, is telling people to say things during this podcast.
Like, that's a thing they're gonna do. I hope you did, though. I'm gonna give you another opportunity right now. Anywho, I love the idea of naming a place after another place. Cause it just feels confusing, but you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, we like it. It's Casadaga. Everything's confusing. So George filed a homestead claim for 75 acres in 1880 and received the title for the land four years later. We had a whole episode where we talked about homesteads and claims.
During this time period, the area was not developed. Surprise, surprise. And it's because it was just marked to be a spiritualist camp. Right. They were told as an example of how sparsely developed this area was. Florida soldiers who did not want to serve in the Confederate army hid in the forests of Volusia County. So that's how rural it was. Which I'm like, that's interesting to think about that. I mean, when we're driving through, like, there's still parts that are like.
Like, you seem like you're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. So Colby homesteaded, but did not always live at the property full time because he would travel to work as a medium over the course of his life. He built a home on the property near a lake. He also fostered at least 15 unhoused children. It's a lot of children. Very nice, though.
The National Spiritual and Liberal association appointed a committee to find a permanent location for their winter camp after there had been several successful spiritual events in central Florida in the late 1800s. The events were in Deleon Springs, and the local government tried to incentivize them to build their community there with municipal bonds. Locals promised to donate over 20 acres of property and build A massive hotel.
During these discussions, one of their members, George Colby, was pretty quiet. But after they had looked at all other options, he suggested that they come take a look at his property. Two mediums, Emma J. Huff and Marian Skidmore, who were pivotal in the Lily Dale Spiritualist assembly, were the only ones that accepted Colby's invitation to visit his land. So everyone else is like, nah. And they're like, yeah, let's go look.
Skidmore and Hough thought the property was lovely, but Huff insisted that the community could only thrive if Henry Flagler's railroad would serve it. Henry Flagler was a businessman who owned the Florida east coast railroad system. At the time, he did not own the line that reached Lake Helen, which was very close. And what's wild here is that it's not that they were like, oh, we want there to be a railroad station close by.
It's that they wanted specifically Henry Flagler to be the person who owned it. Yeah. Okay. Three weeks after the discussion, Flagler ended up buying the Lake Helen line. So all good. We got him. Got him. They formed the Southern Casadaga Spiritualist Camp Meeting association, or the SCSCMA in 1894. Either way is not easy. No. Then George topped the land donation that was being offered in De Leon springs by donating 34 acres of land for the camp.
They formed bylaws as part of the camp's creation, which included a prohibition against alcohol being distributed or sold well before prohibition was instituted. So even before, they're like, no alcohol here. I also do feel like if you're having people come, like, eventually for perhaps psychic readings and things like that, you might not want any substances that would alter people's memories. And also, like, say you give someone news they don't like and they go drink. Yeah. Insert mayhem.
That's fair. That's fair. That's just my guess. I don't know exactly why. No, that makes sense. And I mean, I'm the same way for, like, ghost tours and stuff. I hate when they're like bar crawls or everyone's really drunk, and you're like, this ruins everything. This ruins it. Yeah. Yeah. The camp's first event was in February of 1895, and the three day event was held at Colby's home. I can't imagine having a three day event at my home. That is my nightmare. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.
The next year, they made it clear that the invitation was forever. Everyone, regardless of class or race, the spiritualist camp was added to the National Register of historic. Places in 1991. So within Casadaga, there is the spirituals camp, but there's other things that exist there, too. And so when we talk about what's there, we're going to start with the things that are not associated with the spiritualist camp.
And so the first thing that we're going to talk about, you know, it's a big piece of lore about Casadaga, but it's not even in Casadaga. It's right next door in Lake Helen at the Casadaga Lake Helen Cemetery. And it's called the Devil's Chair. So it is a cement and brick seat that is built into a grave site. So the idea is, like, you could sit there and visit with your family. Yeah. And legend has it that if you sit there, you'll hear someone speak to you inside your head.
And some people think it's the devil or that you'll see the devil. Others say that if you leave an unopened can of beer on the chair overnight, it will remain unopened, but it will be empty in the morning. Other versions of this say that just can disappear or that it's been opened, which, like, someone threw it away or drank it. No worries. Right. This does just sound like there's somebody who lives by the cemetery who's like, thanks for the free beer. True, true.
I will say, though, while we were here at the cemetery, when we were walking around, there was an empty can of beer near it. It wasn't like in the small little, I don't know, square area where this benches, but it was right outside it. It was opened, though. I did pick it up and throw it away. Fair. Yeah. So there's also some lore about the Devil's Chair that says that there was a young man who sat in the Devil's chair at midnight on Halloween and then was never seen again.
So the last time his friend saw him, he was walking into the cemetery and he had told him where he was going to go. Some say he was dragged to hell by Satan, while others thinks he was just, you know, sucked up into a vortex. As one does. As one does. Fascinating. And also, we looked for missing people in Volusia county from, like, the last several decades, and there wasn't anything that matched this for, like, a young guy who went missing in that area. So we don't think it's true.
Shocker there. But we're like, maybe what if there was something that kind of supported it? There's not. So, although not associated with the Casadega spirituals camp whatsoever, they do include a little note about this on their website, and they say that these are just myths and urban legends, everything about it.
And they note that wealthier families in the area would add stone seating areas to their cemetery plots and that someone created a ghost story about one of those seats because they'd never seen anything like that before, which I had also not seen anything about like, that before. Not like those ones. I've seen little benches near certain ones, but not, like, elaborate. That took up a good amount of space. Yeah, there were several in the. In the cemetery too. It wasn't just this one.
I've never seen it where it was clear that it was, like, for a particular group grave. Like, I've only ever seen where there's, like, a bench within an area and, like, you could be facing in any direction versus this is like, there's a back and there's little walls. Like, it's clear that it is for this family. Yeah. When she says walls, it's like three walls around it that surround the bench, however many grave sites there are. And then like a little walkway into it.
Yeah. So it's like its own little private area. Yeah. So we obviously, we visited to see if we had any experiences ourself with the devil's share. And so when we wandered around the cemetery, the first thing we notice, there were several different graves that had chairs that looked like it could be the infamous devil's chair, but they all had kind of a different vibe when you stood near em. The first one that I saw was whitish in color.
And I didn't see the graves inside were very worn that I could. So I could barely read them. And the entire little section, the enclosed area that Amanda just described, was filled with, like, leaves and trash. But hauntingly, there was a rocking horse on it, which added another layer of spooky vibes to it. As always, check out our social media. You'll see it there. And a tricycle in front of it. Oh, yeah, I forgot about the tricycle. That was haunting. Fittingly so.
Okay, that one's got a weird vibe. That's the first one. So then the next two. They're both connected to graves for people with the last name Thatcher. And there's two of them, and they look vastly different. The first one is kind of ominous. It is simply the two graves in the fruit, the front and the seats. Everything, like, looked bizarrely cleaner than other areas. Like somebody was maintaining it, but in a good way. Right.
I don't know how to say this, but it had just more of an ominous vibe to it. Right. And those headstones were newer in the front. That's important to note. The bricks weren't new, but the headstones were newer. Then there was the second Thatcher family enclosure, and that one was so whimsical. There was little plastic flowers, little lawn decorations that you might expect to see in front of someone's house around Easter.
That's the vibe we're talking, like, cheery pastels, little flowers, and so when we sat down in the first Thatcher area, I didn't really feel anything. Did you, Amanda? No, I don't think I actually ended up sitting down at that one. I walked over because other people were over there taking pictures, and I was like, I wonder if this is the one. And I kind of, like, looked at it, and I was like, it doesn't look significant. Yeah, not anything bad against, like, who's buried there.
It just didn't have a weird vibe or. I don't know. I don't even know how to describe it. I didn't feel anything. Like, it just felt like a place, you know? Yeah. So then we went over to the second Thatcher area, and so when we walked over there, Ben walked in and he sat down, and I was like, how's it feel? And he's like, oh, this is, like, very comfortable. Like, I'm very cozy. And mind you, a cement seat with a brick back, that is not a comfy seat.
And so I was just kind of like, hey, do you feel comfortable or do you feel comforted? He pauses for a moment, and he's like, both. And I'm like, okay. So then I walk in. The energy inside of it versus outside of it was drastically different. It felt calming, Kind of like a hug. Very relaxing, very chill, very welcoming. And I was like, how interesting. So then I was like, amanda, you go sit in it. And I was far away when they both sat there the first time. She didn't see all this.
Yeah, I was wandering, just looking at some of the pretty graves. Mm. What did you feel when you walked in? So I sat down, and I was like, this is oddly comfortable. And I feel like, what did I. What was the word I used? I think I was like, it feels chill in here. Like, it feels just calm and nice. Kind like, nothing bad. Yeah. Good vibes. Yeah. Yeah. And I sat there for, like, a good. What, 15 minutes? Yeah. Yeah. This is. This is comfortable.
Yeah. So in our head, we're like, okay, either the first Thatcher area or the creepy space with a rocking horse. Probably it. So we pulled up a photo of what people claim to be the devil's chair. And we realized from comparing the other grave sites and where they were and what was in the background of the photo that it was the whimsical little joyous chill place that was supposedly the devil's chair.
Some people say that the actual devil's chair that people are talking about was torn down and that the photos that are out there now are not real. We don't know. But we were pretty shocked that it would have been that one because the feeling of it just was so opposite to the nefarious lore about it. Right. And one of the main photos that Lindsay's referencing too, of the devil's chair Is from a haunted museum in Casadaga. Yeah. That we had visited before. So we were like, this is reliable.
Yeah. We'll also talk about this haunted museum in a moment. Yeah. But very different vibes from what we expected. So we're going back to Cassadaga spiritualist camp. The actual area. Yeah. And in the area there are several vortexes. The Cassadaga spiritualist camp website defines a vortex as, quote, a point of concentrated psychic energy on the planet. Vortexes can be man made or naturally occurring. And Cassadaga is a natural vortex.
But there are also smaller vortexes on the grounds of the camp. These were developed because of the activities practiced at the camp, which I think. Is really interesting because the idea that vortices aren't naturally occurring, but rather they can be created by psychic or mystical or woo woo energies. Interesting. I'm intrigued. Yeah. And two examples at the camp are Seneca park's vortex and the fairy trail.
Other sources say that one vortex is on top of the hill in the park, One in the classroom within the meditation center, and that there's one in the local pastor's office. So plenty of them in the area. We saw another source that has a spot near a lake as well. And that's the one that we actually went to. It is. Yeah. And it's funny because it's between these two palm trees and there's even little indents from where people stand. Yeah. And it's very close to, like the tall grass near the water.
And Ben was like a gator could pop out of there. And I was like, I feel like I would see some sort of rustling first. And I just don't think that I am what they're most interested in. They had a sign though. I know. Beware of wildlife too. For liability. That specific one. We were at one of the little shops and one of the employees Is like, oh, if you want to walk over, there's one right there. So she actually pointed us in that direction to this one as well.
When you stood in the vortex spot, like, how did you feel? I felt like there was more energy there. I don't think I really felt one way or another as far as like feeling completely different, but I definitely felt like there was like a more concentrated energy space as soon as my feet were in the place that everyone else had stood.
And that is something I thought about too was like, so many people have stood there and meditated and did various things that perhaps some of their energy remains there. So it's like tapping into all the people that have been standing there for a decent amount of time each time they go. So I don't know. Or maybe they made a vortex there from everybody standing right there and doing just that. Maybe that's how they're making vortexes, is by saying, stand here now, do this thing perhaps.
And it's a pretty area too. Gorgeous. When you walk up to the lake, that's the spot you're drawn to. Right? Like that's like the perfect spot, the perfect viewing spot. So. But it was nice. What about you? I haven't talked about it on the show. I've been taking Reiki classes and I was like, I wonder if it will be easier to do Reiki here. And so when I stood there, like, I just felt generally buzzy in my head before I even tried anything. But then I was like, oh, I'll just give myself some Reiki.
And I have never had it be easier than when I stepped into those little footprints. It almost felt like you were being plugged in. Yeah, that's a good reference. Yeah, you just plug yourself right in. And but for the fact that we had other things we were doing that day, I think I could have just stood there or nearby and looked out that lake for hours. It was just so peaceful and serene. I like nature, I like being chill, but I have adhd. Man calm is boring sometimes.
So that's not always something that. Where I'm like, that sounds like a good time. But I truly think that I could have just sat there and stared at that lake for like several hours. It was very pretty. Yeah, I think you took a phone call at one point. So Ben and I were sitting by this little like man made waterfall thing, I don't know, water feature and watching the lizards. And I liked that too. I fucking love a lizard. They were very cute. There were several different ones.
So other people that have visited Some of these vortexes in the area have reported a variety of things, including spiritual experiences, healing, like every kind, physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. Tingling sensations, spiritual clarity, increased psychic abilities. That one's kind of fun. Rush of energy. I feel like that's what I felt. Consciousness shifts, altered perceptions, euphoria or bliss, and heightened creativity and inspiration. I want that one.
When you're sitting in a calm place, your brain is taking a little rest, taking a little snooze. So if you're a person who is psychically inclined to think that way and think those things exist, then it is more likely that if you are relaxed and in a certain type of mind, that you'll be able to do it easier. And the same thing with creativity and innovation. If you feel like safe and calm and collected, it's easier to do those things versus, like, if you're going, going, going.
Yeah, that's fair. So on the same thought of vortexes, there is a bed and breakfast named the Ann Stevens House that was built in 1895, and that's right on the outskirts of the neighboring town, Lake Helen. And we're not going to get too much into it, but they do report having portals there as well. So then one guest said that when they held the pendulum over where the vortex was, it started spinning in circles, despite there not being a reason for it to be moving, which interesting energy.
Right. People also report that there are two ghosts there, one being a little girl named Marjorie and another of a gardener named Virgil. So the bed and breakfast doesn't allow small children to stay the night. It looks like they have to be 12 and over. But people have heard laughter and toys in the hallway. Yikes. Which I wouldn't think like an over 12 year old. Yeah. You know, would be playing with toys in a hallway. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. They might, but it's not as common, I'd say.
Yeah, okay, so we're going to move in to just some general Casadaga experiences. So one Reddit user mentioned that while visiting Casadaga, a psychic approached him and asked him if he wanted a reading, and they mentioned the name of his dead father. From my understanding, this person was just kind of visiting to look around. They hadn't had like a reading booked. They did not know this person didn't tell them their name, didn't. This person didn't know anything about them.
So there was no reason for them to know his father's name. So another fascinating thing about Casadaga is when you're looking for what people say about it, how people talk about it. You'll see a lot of reviews. There's reviews on Google and TripAdvisor and all these things.
But people don't always get into the specifics of the positive experiences they're having with psychics or the vortices, which I think is actually pretty fair, because when you're thinking of, like, a vortex and your experience, people don't love to put into writing. Here's what I felt in this spiritual place all the time. Yeah. Especially if you're a person who's visiting and this isn't like your life.
In the same way that people don't like to report cryptid sightings because they know that it can fuck up their life. Yeah. And then when it comes to psychics, we have talked about this before, that the idea of talking to a psychic or medium, you are often trying to communicate with someone who has passed. So there is a certain element of grief that is just intermingled with that. I mean, it's typically intensely personal.
So I could see why you might not want to be like, this is the very heartfelt conversation I had with my relative who passed, and here's how everything went. But just interesting that it's kind of hard to nail down, like, specifics of what people are getting very similar with. People are saying that they're see, they see spirits there and they experience spirits, but there's not a lot of detail into what that means.
There is a wall in one of the little shops where you could buy things, but then there's like, an office where they do readings. And people did post little, like, one or two sentence things about their readings. And I liked reading those. Those were really interesting. Yeah. Okay. So we mentioned it earlier, the haunted museum, but it's called CG Green's Haunted Museum and Store. And there's not a ton of specifics online about what is in this museum.
They talk about having a Ouija board collection and a collection of haunted dolls and that you can buy one from them. They also mentioned online that they have George Colby's original seance table. But we went through this museum. I think it was like 10 bucks to go through. Totally worth it. A fun little time. There was random pop culture things about, like, movies and, like, contemporary stuff that was not haunted particular, but it was like, of the mystical realm, if you will.
Yeah, they have that listed in the things that you'll find. Yeah. The thing that struck me the most was that when you walk in, the first thing you see is a full bookcase filled with dolls to the point where there's some sitting on the floor in front of it, and at the top there's a handwritten sign that says haunted dolls, $25. And I was like, oh, 10 out of 10 will not be buying. But I liked that it was there. I was intrigued by it.
So it wasn't too surprising that when we went through one of the things we saw were several haunted dolls, including a replica of Robert, the doll the replica used to live in the same case as Robert. There was also another doll that I'm not even going to say its name because we were originally going to talk about this doll in our first haunted house episode, but we had read that like some stuff with animals happened, and we were like, no, thank you. In all kindness, no thank you.
We do not want to perhaps make something happen. Because who could say, yeah, Amanda, when we were walking through there, what was your impression? Like, what are the things that stuck out to you? Because there was a lot. So at first the first room seemed fine. Didn't really think anything of it. And then as you kind of wind to another room, I don't even know if you'd say it's another room. Just the way that they have it laid out. Yeah, the layout, it's not bad. It's just kind of windy.
But once we turned the corner, there's these two dolls that move like it's an animatronic thing, twins. And when you walk past them, they move. And we're like, haha, okay, cool. And we're going in the other room. And then it was just the three of us in this museum at the time, so me, Lindsay and her husband. And when we entered the other room, all of a sudden the dolls start going off by themselves again. And I was like, are they timed? What? So I like stood and staring at them for a minute.
They didn't go off. So I walked up to them. Motion sensor goes off again. And I'm like, why did this just go off? That's unnerving. So that caught my attention. And then when we were in the little hallway that has the doll that you're talking about, I felt like she was staring. Like, I mean, all dolls have eyes and look like they're staring at you. But this was like a different feeling. But we were very respectful. We said hi, and we're like, please don't come with us.
We're happy to visit, but goodbye. Um, she's also sitting on a very strange chair that stood out. And I guess it was a chair used for death photography of children, which. Like, that's really sad. Yeah. So that room was not my favorite. And then I loved the Cryptid room. I thought that was fun. Like, all the signs and everything. And then there was another poster that caught my attention that was like, you might need a lobotomy. Oh, yeah, yeah. There was a whole section for that.
It was like, old medical equipment right there. Yeah. Yeah. So that was fun. It honestly felt like a true creeps museum. There was so much stuff in there. I was like, we did an episode on that. We did an episode on that. Like, there was the crying boy painting print of it that was there. And I was like, yeah. Oh, no, there's a ton. The other poster that I was like, oh, that's interesting. Is like, reasons why you could be admitted to a hospital at a certain time. Oh, no. And it was just most.
The most random. I'm like, all of us would have been at the hospital. Yep. So that was. That was interesting. Yeah. The Cryptid room was probably my favorite because they had that Jersey Devil picture. But, yeah, you're right. Like, I think I was taking pictures of all the things that we had done episodes of. And I was like, we've done this. We've done this. I posted a few on our stories, but it was an interesting place. Like, especially for only $10, for sure. If you have the opportunity to go.
Oh, yeah. On our way out to. We were chatting to a couple of the employees of the museum, too, and they were telling us about the specific doll. And they had mentioned that she came from someone that had a pig, I guess, as a pet, and the pig was fine. So I was like, okay, maybe she got over it. I hope so. I hope she was nice to animals from now on. But they also mentioned.
And I was like, maybe I misheard, but they mentioned something about how they found either her or the chair sealed in a wall. I was like, that's interesting and horrifying. Dislike. What were your thoughts on the museum? Just generally, if you take down a wall and there's something that's been walled. In, you put it back and you leave. You put that wall back. You put that wall back. That's just for everyone's benefit. If someone thought.
I mean, with the exception of, like, if someone, like, buried someone in a wall. Right. Other than that perhaps they were doing a service to humanity, you know? But anyway, so when you first walk in, one of the first things they have is this little display, and it says, june's room, and it says, amazing pieces owned by Original family owner, June. She is now our white light of the museum. And it's like crystals and like little fairies and all.
It's just like a very interesting, like, little vibe. Just like set the tone, which I thought was cute. And they have for Colby's seance table, like, they have a whole little setup where it looks like there's two figure mannequin things. I think one of them was actually a skeleton having a seance. But behind them is an abundance of Ouija boards and spirit boards, which I thought was interesting. They had different haunted objects abound. Different types. All different types.
I will say that before we rounded the corner to where Robert replica doll and dolla, whose name I will not say there was. And again, not surprising here. An abundance of haunted dolls that were kind of collected in one area. And there was one particular one that I want to vaguely remember being in like a tank. Was it in a tank? Now I'm looking at my photos, but I remember it being in like an enclosure where I got like, specifically negative vibes from it. And I was like, oh, I do not like this.
I only remember the vine of dolls. Oh, yeah. There was a wall where it was like foliage and there was like dolls mixed in with it. It was a display more than anything else. I would say. They also have a little note about the island of dolls. We have so many photos of this that we'll share. It was a really fun time. They also have what they say are haunted books. And the sign with it says, some are so old they will fall apart. Some are haunted. Either way, it won't work out well for you.
Thanks management there. This did make me like, look at Amanda and say, when you move to Maryland, guess what? We can make sharks. We're going to need you. Listen, sharks. Do you collection of haunted things Want to see a true creeps creeptastic spectacular museum? We would come up with a better name name tbd. But what a fun thing that would be to like make a just weird, creepy shit museum. Yeah, yeah, I'd love that.
Look, do you want to stand in a corner and when you stand on a certain thing, you hear me yell Jersey Devil at a whole little exhibit about the Jersey Devil. What a treat that would be. Sharks. What a treat. There's no amount of money someone wouldn't pay to go to that, right? Priceless. Think of the memories. Perfect. All that to say this was a cool little museum, a really fun time. Definitely spooky vibes.
It was equal parts weird shit and learn about creepy things, which you Know us, we were all about it. Oh, yeah. Again, we have so many videos. We've been sharing some of them on social media already, like the videos and photos of the museum. Another place I would say to visit if you're in the area, is the Casadaga Hotel. And it was built in 1922. And just three years later, on Christmas Eve of 1925, the hotel, as well as two adjacent buildings were completely burned down.
So you know what that means. Super haunted. And Justin and Reed Williams lived next door to the hotel, and they were the first to notice the fire. They ran into the hotel to wake up the guests, and fortunately, everyone survived the fire, which is very good. However, the property damage was extensive and the hotel was rebuilt the following year. The new Casadaga Hotel has 40 rooms with baths, a dining area that could seat 150 people. It also has a few parlors. It's very pretty.
It's a cool place. It's gorgeous. So the hotel was sold in 1933. Diana Morne bought the hotel in 1979. And Diana Morne had visions all of her life and really didn't feel like anyone understood her until she moved to Casadega. She finally found her people. I love that. Yeah. Diana said that she came to Florida while she was on vacation from Wisconsin and stayed. She said God led her to the hotel. And in interviews, Diana mentioned that there were spirits from when the hotel caught fire in 1925.
She doesn't like the word haunted, so she doesn't use it. Okay. Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder if it's just people that. I mean, no one died in the fire luckily, but maybe from that era. Yeah. So there are a few spirits in the hotel. People have reported seeing ghosts on the porch and inside the hotel itself.
And from what we understand, the spiritualist camp is very clear about where the boundaries are for the camp and that the hotel is not part of it, which is interesting because it's literally right there. Like, it's a tiny street that you cross to be at the hotel. Yes. Now, we did visit the hotel, and all three of us at different points went down this little hallway where there are rooms, but there's also public restrooms.
And one by one, we went in the area, and I was like, okay, walk down the hall and then tell me how you feel. And all of us had the same feeling, which I thought was interesting, in the same spot of the hallway. So once you pass the first door, not the bathrooms, but, like, the door where someone could stay, you're like, Yikes. This is heavy. We all felt it. So I thought that was really interesting.
We didn't do any videos or investigations or anything there because they had signage that said that no one has permission to film any paranormal stuff or investigations on the property. So we respected that. But interesting. Like, we. We all did feel that. We also weren't, like, looking for a place to feel something. I was like, I have to pee because I pee every 30 minutes. And, like, we were naturally in that area. And we're like, yeah, yeah. Because we took turns going in.
And I don't know where Ben went. He walked away for a minute. He was wandering. And so while you were in the bathroom? I walked down it, and then I was like. And then we switched, and I was like, you walk down that while I go? Yeah. And also, the bathroom felt weird in a particular stall? Yes. Yes. So if you're looking for a spooky place to stay, I think that that would be a really cool place. They also have a restaurant there that looked delicious, but we already had dinner plans.
Otherwise we would have probably considered it. But it looked really cute. The last time I was there, there was a coffee shop, which I was hoping was still there, but it was not. No, we were looking for that coffee shop. We really were. So we said this was the psychic capital. So now we. What do we need to talk about? The mediums and healers of Casadaga.
So, per Richard Russell, who has worked as one of the mediums and healers at the camp since 1997, it is a long process to become one of their mediums or healers. You have to take in person training at the camp, which can take four to six years. Then you have to do a public demonstration of your gifts. I was hoping to see if, like, oh, maybe we could, like, fit in a reading. And I was looking at the board to see who was available.
And Richard Russell was one of the people who was available that day for readings. So I was like, oh, he's there. Active, doing the things. Darlene McCormick, who was the public relations committee chairperson in 2020, says that it takes about 200 hours of classes and seminars. So we were talking to someone who is very aware of Casadaga and the spiritualist camp. They mentioned that the FBI screens people who are part of the spiritualist camp that, like, you have to pass an FBI test first.
I thought that was fascinating. We don't know whether that's true or not or whether just the person he was talking to had that type of testing done. We were like, oh, interesting. Today, Casadega spiritualist camp has 57 acres with 44 homes. And to live inside the camp itself, you must be a spiritualist. And the purchase of the home has to be approved by the board of trustees of the camp. They also have a historical and spirit tour listed on their website.
Yeah. And when we were there, we found a bunch of different tours that they had. They had a bunch of flyers about it. You could do like your own walking tour and all kinds of things you can do. So they're very organized with what they offer. I loved it. So they also have a lovely gift shop and we spent so much time there. There was crystals and books and all types of things in there. Yeah. And that one's called the Casadaga Camp Bookstore.
Yeah. We realized that Ben did not have any crystals for our investigations. So we stocked him and ourselves up while we were there. So the clerk that we talked to was a treasure and a delight and so sweet and was talking to us. They also, when on the receipts, when you buy crystals, they list out every crystal you buy, which is so lovely because sometimes you leave and you were like, oh, these are beautiful rocks. What are they?
Unless you've got like a guide, which I got a book, but like, it's hard. It was so nice to have the list. I appreciated that when you are crystal shopping there, they have little information sheets on each crystal, like why, how it helps you, what it is. And then also something that I grabbed by the crystals is there was this little printed two page sheet that say crystals and stones and why they work. And it's a whole explanation about them. So I just appreciated that.
Yeah. They're like, here's information, here's why you want this. And it's not just buy this, this is this type of crystal. It's like, here's how it works, here's why it could work, here's how you can use it here. You could buy it in crystal form, necklace form, bracelet form. Like so much information. I just appreciated it so much. Yeah. I also feel like crystals are one of those things where.
Okay. Whether you believe or you do not believe, on one side benefits of crystals, the worst thing that could happen is that you have some gorgeous rocks. There's no downside here. There's simply no downside. Yeah. But so anyway, we're talking to the store clerk, a treasure, a delight, as I was saying. And as we're nearing the end of our conversation, she mildly abruptly pivots and says something akin to the world is changing and the truth Will be unearthed. Which we were like, okay.
You know when you're in a movie and someone has, like, a prophecy and they change their tone and the look in their eyes changes, and everything just looks, like, a little different? That's how it felt to the point where Amanda and I looked at each other and I pulled out my phone and made a little note, like, what? Because. And now that I said that, I'm gonna look up what the actual statement was, because I was like, this is so interesting. Okay. Yeah. And it was like. Like you described it.
She was kind of, like, happy, joking and, like, talking about what we were buying and what we were doing. And then it just. The tone changed, her face, everything changed. She got serious. Yeah. And so what it. What she said was, a lot of secrets are going to come to light, and the truth will be unearthed. We were like, okay. So the next day, we were in St. Augustine, and we were having a conversation with someone, and same thing. We're having a lovely conversation.
The conversation kind of tilts a bit, and in the same kind of seriousness, he says something that is, like, not the same exact statement, but the meaning is so shockingly similar that Amanda and I, again, just kind of looked at each other like, yeah, what. What is going on? What a bizarre message to just get two days in a row from two separate people that is so clearly the same. I don't know. Just. It made me kind of be aware of it.
Yeah. The second conversation, we were talking about the world and some of the bad stuff happening. And he had mentioned something like, oh, the good time just started. And we're like. We looked at him. We're like, what you mean by that? Like, then he's like, oh, no, no, no, no. The good stuff is just starting. It's happening. It's in the process. It's. It's coming. And we're like. He's like, there's gonna be a big change or something like that. And we were like.
Because he also went, we're going to find out everything. All of the truth is going to come out. It's going to emerge in a similar way. So it was like he was saying all those other things, but it got to. The truth will come out. Yes. Yes. In this intense way. It gave me hope. Yes. I had tingles in my head, which I was like, me, too. Yeah. Energetically, for me, that means I am vibing with what is happening, like, spiritually more than just a. I agree with you. That's fair.
That's the first time during this trip, is the first time that I've had the top of my head go tingly, like, it, like, engulfed my entire head. And I was like, this is weird, but it happened several times during this trip. And one was. Yeah. When he was talking about it. And I was like, it filled me with joy. And I was like, is everything going to be okay? Yeah. I was like, is this hope? I feel. Yeah. So mentioned it earlier, Reiki stuff.
But part of the training for that is you get an attunement. And it wasn't until after that attunement that I started feeling things energetically in my head with, like, buzzing feelings, like, to the point where, like, sometimes I forget that's what it is because it feels like an itch almost, but it's not. It's, like, inside your skin. It's, like, buzzy. And so it was just very interesting.
And when the lady said it at the spiritualist camp, I was also like, that's where, like, my whole head was like. I was like, oh, okay, I'm. I'm alert. I'm aware. Noticed her. Right. And it was. When she said it, it was so different because you were checking out at that time, and I was waiting to check out, and I had sat my purchase on the counter, so I didn't drop anything. And I was kind of, like, looking at the books, listening to her and looking at the books.
And then when she said it, like, her voice had changed. So I turned around, I was just staring at her like, what is happening? And also, I loved it. Though perhaps I am. Tell me if this is Amanda and I have not talked about this particular opinion on this moment before now. Oh, no. But did you get the sense that there was, like, an awkward pause afterwards where she was like, what the fuck was that like? Like, she seemed surprised that she said it.
Yes. Like, not that she disagreed, but she wasn't like, this is the thing. Next thing I'm going to say as part of this conversation, it was like, it just channeled out. Yeah. Because then she went back to her, like, cheerful self, like, bagging up your crystals. And I was like, this is just like a movie. Yeah. It was a pause, like, what was that? And then it, like, went back. Because the other thing, too, is that she was faced.
So, like, the way that the reg was set up when we walked up to the register. The register, we're facing the side of the clerk, and she's facing to the right, putting things into the register. So when she said, the world is changing, the truth will be on earth, she Turned and made eye contact and then kind of like paused, like. Huh. And then she turned and went back to what she was doing. Yeah. It was a full. Like, it was so strange. I mean, I liked it, but it was fascinating. Peculiar.
I would say also. What is the word I'm thinking of? It was jarring in a positive way. Yeah. But it was, you know, like those movies that you watch where I don't think this is what happened by any means, but you know, like when someone gets possessed momentarily and they say a message and then it leaves their body. Yes. It was like that in a movie. Yes. Where it's that stark of a difference. Yes. So fascinating. Cheerful, sweet lady. I could talk to her for hours. She was so nice and she knew.
So much about crystals and a treasure, a delight. Yeah. Everyone who we talked to there was lovely. I feel like during this trip, I've met several people where Lindsay and I both were like, can I just spend hours on your floor and listen to you speak? Oh, my gosh. Like the person who we're talking about with that, like, the second person we talked to on the Friday, I was like, if he starts a cult, I probably would. I'd be like, where's our uniform? Like, let's go.
So we're gonna have at least two more episodes on our trip for St. Augustine. That includes investigations, too. Yeah. And those are gonna be more investigation based, one of which will be on all of investigations that we had planned to already do. And then the other will be an investigation that we did that we decided rather last minute to do it. Yeah. And it was a wild experience. But I would say that I. I've never talked to so many strangers where I was like, yes.
What you were saying aligns so thoroughly. Yeah. We found our people. Yes. In Florida, of all places. Yeah. Which I didn't think would happen in Florida. I mean, it's where I found my husband. So I should have known that maybe there were. There were some goods left in Florida, but I wasn't expecting that part of the trip for like, spiritual congruence, if you will. Yes. That was not what I expected when we went to Florida.
And that night we went to dinner and we had to wait a while because we didn't realize it was bike week. And we met the most lovely couple and their pit bull named Stella. And on her collar it said sweet Stella. Yeah. And we talked to them for like, I don't know, at a half hour or so. And they were the sweetest, too. We just met so many nice people. Yeah. It was truly lovely. Truly lovely. Except for the people who were above us in the Airbnb, who were.
There was a Celtic festival also going on in St. Augustine. A lot of stuff happening. I was like, they're river dancing at like, like quarter to seven. And I said that, not realizing there was a Celtic festival. And then I was like, oh, no. They actually legitimately might have been because Ben, like, looked outside and saw them, like, walking downstairs, and the guy was in a kilt. I was like, love that you're in a kilt. Hate that you're stomping above my life. What else was he doing?
The other description that Ben gave as he watched this man descend from the. Stairs, he was like, he's walking down the stairs with a newsy cap, a kilt, and chugging a regular Coca Cola, which, like, I was a Diet Coke girly before this. And I. I can't imagine doing it, let alone at like, 8 in the morning. Yeah. But fascinating place. I feel like if you do have the opportunity to visit St. Augustine and Casadaga, do it because it was such a fun time. Yes. Scary at times, but great all around.
Yes. Yes. Overall, good. Yeah. Yeah. And again, like Lindsay said, we're gonna have a few other episodes about our time in St. Augustine, and we're going to be talking a lot about investigations and some of the new tools that we bought while we were there. Oh, yeah. We're going to get into a lot of tool talk. Okay, I'm going to say it now. Tool talk. Tool talk with Lindsay. This is a drill. It drills specific. That's actually my moonlighting podcast, the one that I cheat on Amanda with.
It's. I have a tool podcast where I explain how tools work. It's just me saying the name of a tool and then making it into a verb. You know what I'm saying? Perfect unison. That's how we can line up our audio. Us saying perfect at the same fucking time. So as of us recording this, I have not yet used my new tool with Marge. And she's not talking about a tool to, like, build a house. She's talking about a ghost tool, by the way. Oh, yeah. My ghost tool. My ghost tool. I have not used it yet.
I have a drill. We will talk about what that is at a later date. But, Amanda, I kind of want to do a Marge episode at some point, the Life of Marge, because there's enough that happens in our house where we could probably talk about it. And when you come here. Yes. Can I talk to Marge? Yes. Yes. I Like, I think that would be a good idea. I also know that Marge kept a very clean home and that my house is not a very clean. Like, my house is cluttered, and I am overwhelmed at all times.
So I know that she is deeply unhappy. And I said to Amanda, I was like, I'm afraid that if I talk to her, it's just gonna be her being very mad at me. And Amanda was like, well, she's gonna be even madder if you don't talk to her. And she knows you can talk to her because she's about the house and can hear this. Yeah. That's a new level of anxiety, too.
You know how everyone's mad at me and you're like, not only is everyone mad at me, but the ghost that lives in my house is also probably mad at me. And, dude, let me tell you, that's fucking true. When I need to clean this up, and I'm like, I know Marge is mad at me. I know Marge is mad. That sucks. I don't want my ghost to be mad at me or disappointed. Like, she's not mad. She's disappointed. Oh. Oh, no. Anywho. Okay. So we visited casadega. We visited St. Augustine.
We went to Iowa. We went to Kansas City, Excelsior Springs. The Elms Hotel. Yeah. So if there are other places that one you want us to talk about or perhaps visit in the future, let us know. Yeah. Because this has been so fun, and I love finding new, spooky places. I didn't know Casadaga was a thing. I'd never. I had only been to Florida for, like, a minute before. Like, it was to get on a boat. So this was really fun to visit. Were you getting on a steamboat? A steamboat down or.
No. The train before you got on. 17. Other different methods of transportation to get to a place. Yeah. That someone told you about. That's the only way to travel in Florida. Yes. Yes, Absolutely, yes. Accurate. But yeah. If there is anywhere that you'd like us to check out, let us know. Also, while you're at it, if you have a moment, please leave us a review. It helps us grow. We love reading them. They're great. We'll also send you a sticker as a thank you.
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Especially when I have like I know a hard day or something and I look in there and then I'm laughing. 5. I just love it. So thank you all. Oh yeah, yeah, we've got also we've got like a pet channel where I'm like, oh, I know that dog. I know her. Yeah, I, I know people buy their pets a lot of the time, so. Yeah, I mean fair, that's relatable. I get that. I did not know our neighbors names for the longest time, but I knew. All of their dogs names.
Well, how many times are you out in the world where you're like oh, may I pet your dog. And they're like, yes. And then you're like, what's their name? Because you're touching them and petting them and it feels weird to not know their name. Yeah. And they're like, oh, this is. Is Bobby. Why is that where I went? But whatever. This is Bobby the dog. And. But you don't give a about that person's name. Do you know what I mean? You're not like, hi, I'm Amanda. What's your. And your dog's name?
You're like, let's cut straight to the point. What is this sweet, ethereal being's name? Yeah, this is who I want to know. Yeah, this is my actual neighbor. You just take care of them. Yeah. Yeah. Priorities. Anyways, we have a lot for the end of episode this week. So much it's rich. There's also some late breaking news. There is some late breaking news. This is at the end of the episode. If you don't listen to the end of the episode, you're not going to know this.
So I'm just telling you this is just a plug to always listen to the end because you might get some hot gossip deets. We've also got a pitch to the sharks. I don't know if that made it into the episode proper or not. It's somewhere in there. Also, you didn't even use your newsy voice when talking about the late breaking news. When's the last time I used my newsy voice? It's been a minute. I've almost forgotten my. Well, there's my newsy voice. Ugh. What is it?
I was thinking of my, like, butchered transatlantic. It is. I think that's it. Late breaking news, Mary. Okay, hold on. Wait. I'll do it now. Redo. This is why we don't do this live. Late breaking news. Bloody Mary. The lamb cap Succubus fluid aficionado is loose in Savannah. Listen to the end of the episode for more details on that. Perfect. And with that, have a great weekend. Thanks for creeping with us.
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So if you like this episode, please subscribe, rate, review, and share the show with your fellow creeps and or ghosts. I beg of you. Also, fun fact, can you wink? Because I can't. It's not like, like, I can do when I wink. Like, you know how people can like flirty wink. Ben is great at a flirty wink. I cannot flirty wink. I'm like, hey, oh, like, like an old timey pirate and not a good one. Amanda, her eye got. Other eye got really big when she winked.
Like, the other one opened more and it alarmed me, which is why I cackled. All I think of, we were just. Talking about Arrested Development and there's an episode where she winks and it's the best. I've seen that one. I've seen that part. Like a clip of that. This is all end of episode fodder, if you will, but, like, what a treat. Okay. I had to look at a picture of it. Perfect, Perfect. I love that for you. So he went to visit G while he was in Wisconsin to visit him.
So when he went, I'm just like, I'm having a hard time reading the words I wrote. I don't know. He went to visit him in Wisconsin when he went to visit him. Okay. Gidding and Colby were there, but we're not sure who else was there. Sources vary. Amanda is trying so hard to keep straight face right now. I can't. I cannot. Okay, I'm gonna say it again. I have Mary in the room with them. I don't know why. Oh, my gosh. She just needs to be in, like, everything, just very tiny.
Can we edit her into every historical photo now? Oh, my gosh. Beautiful. Of course. Like, she's just gonna be there. I also do think that we need to have Mary Merch. Like, we need to have a T shirt of her or, like a big sweatshirt. I would rock a fucking big merry sweatshirt. You know, I'm half like, I want a photo of her and half like, I could do a quick drawing of her. I don't know which one I want. Maybe both. I don't know who could say, is. It pre being in our pocket or. Or after?
Oh, my God, you mean when she was a dirty girl? Or before, which she wasn't even dirty. Her paint was just wearing off. We tried to bathe her how many times? Yeah, we bathed her so many times and she just got dirtier. And Ben was like, like, do you think the paint's coming off? And you and I were like, didn't realize that was a thing that could happen because, like, it wasn't as though she's a toy. She's meant to be played with. Like, why would she be so fragile?
She's a succubus on the prowl for fluids. You would think that she could handle the world anyway. Literally now. Literally. Okay, so Mary was bought. This is at the end of the episode. If you don't listen to the end of the episode, you're not gonna know this. So I'm just telling you this is just a plug to always listen to the end because you might get some hot gossip.
Deep Mary, the real one, the real haunted bloody Mary, OG Real quote unquote from ebay, was purchased by a haunted museum in Savannah. Our friend Ineka, when we saw her in Florida, she told her friend about this, and he was like, oh, yeah. And, like, immediately bought her while we were getting tattoos. It was wonderful. While we were getting tattoos of ghosts. Mary also got a tattoo while she was there. You just can't see it. It's very tiny. It's, like, up under her fur. You know what I mean?
Anyway, anyway, so she was purchased as one does. You ship the haunted item, and it's marked as delivered, but it is not there. Her package is missing. So bloody Mary, the lamb cat succubus fluid aficionado is loose in Savannah, and she's prowling for fluids. I expect this to make the. The news, national news. Oh, my God. Can we make like a. I want to make, like, a news alert. Breaking news. Breaking news. Mary's lucid. Savannah on the prowl for your fluids.
In my head, I wanted to make a little newsroom and, like, you know, put the. The pages together and be like, we have breaking news. Oh, you were gonna be like, we're newscasters. We'll be like, this. This just in. Because I'll have to have Ben hand me paper. Like this just in. And then on the bottom of the screen, it's just, like, out. Mary wants your fluids in all caps. A tickler. No, no, the. Under the tickler. It's like local blood banks, missing blood testing facilities.
Find urine samples are missing. Milk truck hijacked. Just, like, all different types of fluid. News at the bottom. Fluid news. Flus, if you will. Okay, we're never gonna finish this episode. No. This is gonna be nine hours long. Okay. Okay. So then he's traveling down that chatty hoochie on a train. God damn it. Yeah. And they're very, very serious about not wanting you to park in certain stretches. There'll be, like, 18, 000. No parking signs in a row. We can post a video.
We saw that, like, on two different occasions when we were driving from St. Augustine to Casadaga on the highway. On the highway. Even I wouldn't think to park on the highway, but it was hilarious. I'm assuming it's truckers because it was kind of after rest stations. But, like, I feel like they didn't need to have that many signs. I hope that everywhere has that many signs for everything. Now that would be annoying. No excuse. You saw the sign and it opened up my eyes.
Ace of Ace. The events were in Delon. I'm saying Delano. The events were in Deleon Springs. It's gigantic as Bruturfius all over again. The events were in Dela. Now you've done it. But after they had looked at all of their. Why am I adding words? I told you, it's just today. We can't read something about today. We can't. Parallels. That's how you say it. A mouthful of rocks. What was that? Oh, our alkali lake monster manster. Because you know us.
I was gonna say we love history, but Amanda categorically is not a huge history fan. She's like, I'll talk about it, but I don't love it. I am interested in it. I just. I just get bored. It's one of those things where some people are like, I just can't hold the facts. Like, I can't retain the facts, but I find it interesting and I like to learn about a thing and then I file all that information away and I say to myself, you have notes on this, therefore you do not need to remember it.
So unless it's something that I access a lot and talk about a lot, the information's gone. So for a lot of the cases that we cover, I have like a surface level of information, like, available to my brain generally. But to know any type of like, deep fact, unless it's something we talk about a lot, I'm like, oh, it's. Yeah, it's in deep story. Yeah, 12 year old boy math. Yeah, 12 year old boy math. I'm good on. You know, and also, maybe I am married to a history nerd and all.
Yeah, he does is watch history documentaries. Yeah, no, never. And they're all monotone. They're all monotone. And it's so boring. And Mike is like an NPR girly, though, like, oh, yeah, absolutely. When I drive the car after him, he blasts NPR like it's music. Like, I get in the car and I'm like, what? The. Like, I like npr, but I wouldn't say I've blasted. I just like the idea. He's, like, bumping. You know what I mean? Like, he's just, like, in their vibe into it. It's loud as.
Yeah, yeah, perfect. Okay. They're like, oh, my God, I have a vision. Let's get in a wagon.