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Back to the episode. Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm your host, Connor. Once again, joined by the boys, Joey and Garnt. And it's a very special day. Yeah, because we are going to have anime club, right? No, no. So we're gonna have anime club, right? Wait, what? What, what, what? We want anime club? We're going to an anime club with my anime, right? I thought I fucked up. I was like, wait, that's next episode. Me and Joey genuinely look panicked. I was like, I was like, guys.

Pick up what I'm putting down. I looked over at Connor like, does he know? He doesn't know. He doesn't know. That's next episode. No, yeah, we're doing anime club with Garnt. Well, we did anime. We did a very special anime club just yesterday. with your anime. We fucking, or you rented out a fucking cinema. Yes, almost any cinema.

One of the best cinemas. This is one of the nicest cinemas in all of Tokyo. It was really nice. As an avid cinema goer in Japan, I always love to get together. How do you rate it as an avid cinema goer? I like the seats and the actual cinema itself. Yeah. Probably-

the best layout, I think, out of most of them. Actually, one of the two. Okay, but the concessions are mid. Oh, really? Go for it, Nabi. Go, go. Yeah, Nabi, what's up? Oh, yeah, we've got our sponsors. Go for it. Game of subs. Game of subs. I feel like it's very important with the cinemas there is the part in the cinema and the concessions and their options and what they give you and how good the popcorn is. Yeah, you fucking waiting in line for like how long?

To the point where Garnt and I looked at each other in cinema like, is this motherfucking gonna be late? Because he's getting popcorn again for an 18 minute anime. I just feel so wrong being in a cinema, not eating popcorn. And so I really wanted to get popcorn, but the problem is right now in Japan, Demon Slayer is everywhere. And the cinemas in Japan, I know you guys wouldn't have noticed this, they changed the lining up process.

It used to be that each register would have a line. And all the cinemas agreed for some reason they were going to do this horrible way. And I know that it probably is better. where they make one giant line for all of the registers. But what I feel like it ends up doing is that it makes you feel like you're in a longer line. It feels like you're at an airport. Yeah, and then also-

You know, sometimes if you get there early, I don't mind lining up in a longer line or being in a slow moving line. But if I'm like cutting it close, I want to be in the shortest line.

And so I'll scope out, I'll be like this. And you were definitely cutting it close. So I went in the longest line and we cut it close, but we got a popcorn and I wasn't late. I got there just in time. Well, technically you were late. Because the screening started 10 minutes late. Yeah, the screening started 10 minutes late.

Why? For me? Yeah, we're waiting for now. Okay, I was gonna say, I was like, some fuckers are still buying popcorn. We're gonna have to cut it back, sorry. Well, here's what I figured. I figured that when I was in the line, it was a 35 minute wait. I was like, okay. if I am late, either someone will message me or someone from Geeks Plus will grab me. So I didn't have any of those things happen. So I was like, I'm going to keep lining up.

Long wait in line. Dude, if someone told me, if I got into a line for popcorn and someone said, it's a 35 minute wait, I'm not gonna go on that line. Yes. Well, okay, Joey. First of all, I'm gonna be the love of the game. Just a note, I did ran downstairs and I'm like, where is this? Yeah. Nobby and Masa were shitting bricks. They were like, where?

Half of our guests are not here. I was in the transceiver. I was like, Master, do you know where Connor is? We're about to start. There was other people like Maylene and other geek staff members who was there chilling. Not in the line. They were just waiting. I was like, oh, it mustn't be there. Well, there were staff members because there were staff members in case anyone needed Geeks Plus attendees there. So I guess I'll tell the full story from the beginning. Obviously, I-

premiered my anime for the first time and only time that is going to happen in Japan. And I premiered it at the Grand Cinema Sunshine in Ikebukuro, which I'm happy. That was like one of my- I think I've been there before, but I forgot how good the cinema was. It's a very fancy like lobby when you walk in. I was like, holy shit. The first thing I've noticed when I walk in is just goddamn.

This fucking Demon Slayer like exhibit right in the center with like a massive Tanjiro there. 80% of the showings are Demon Slayer. It wasn't only that. Did you notice the thing that was hanging from the ceiling? Yes. It was like the-

Infinity Castle, I think it was, or whatever it was, was just this giant structure. They commit to Demon Slayer in this country. Yeah, I was like, people were taking pictures next to Tundra and stuff. And I was like, we rock up and we're like, all right, everyone move away from Tundra.

Now we're gonna set up our small little Geeks Plus barn booth right here, right next to Tanjiro, Getaway Demon Slayer. I mean, to be fair, in a sense, that is a massive flex. To say that, I fucking premiered my movie. Next to Demon Slayer. I mean, I- That's kind of dope. I knew I was only going to do this like once because I had the budget to do it once. So I was like, okay, if we're going to do it, initially we were going to book out like a free theater.

that Kadokawa owned, which we didn't have to pay any money. And we would have had to gone out like 45 minutes out of Tokyo or something. And I was like, No, no, no, no, no. If we're doing this once, let's see if we can do this like actually in the center. Is that the one in Tokorozawa? I think so. And so I was like, okay, let's see if we can get something more central.

The first issue we came across was no cinema would give us space at all because Demon Slayer. Because Demon Slayer is like, I'm pretty sure if we had the second coming of Christ and the, you know, second Demon Slayer.

if he was airing, you know, Demon Slayer would get like Christ put to the sides to make room for like the Demon Slayer. It's like, J-Man, I need you to chill because Demon Slayer is playing right now. It is not an exaggeration. Like just the amount of times they're playing it is like- I think from when I, because obviously I go book these quite often.

It is like they are playing double the movies they normally do. It's straight up double the amount. Because every single fucking minute they can play a Demon Slayer movie, they are playing a Demon Slayer movie. My local cinema has 10 rooms, like 10 cinema rooms. And I believe the last time I went- a couple of weeks ago, eight of them were Demon Slayer all day.

All night. And I'm just like, why am I here? Because normally they would have to pick like, you know, a couple of movies and they compare them to three times a day and they'd have to be quite selective about the times. But yeah, The Demon Slayer wanted, so they run it from-

From dusk to dawn. It just plays. And they're full. All of them are full. And they're full. They're all full. Sorry, carry on. They are all full, which is why we had such big trouble getting Cinema Space. We had this one day that we had to book like, I think like two months ahead. to be like, just give us one theater. And yeah, I didn't realize when we booked it just how-

cool the cinema was. I remember when we rock up upstairs, I'm like, yo, no way there's an actual red carpet. I wore this suit for a reason. Hell yeah. So. We set up the booth and obviously it's a different vibe than when we were doing like our live shows because obviously we do our live shows before and I've been nervous before.

But this is like a different kind of nervousness that I had before. It's so weird. Every time- you guys have probably seen this every time i'm nervous i always just like walk around right and before the trash taste show i had plenty of space to do that in the green room but here at the cinema before the showing i was like

told to sit down. So I was just in my seat, just constantly like, just constantly like, I want to get up and walk. I want to get up and walk. Didis and I noticed that as it was like, you were pacing back and forth. And then I think Didis was like. Man, he's even got like the director arm. He's walking around with like the director arms, pacing back and forth, being like, oh man. Yeah, but obviously you guys come and-

We do like some pre-interviews. My parents and Sydney were meant to come about the same time as you guys, but they went to the wrong place. I think I was first there. Yeah, you actually first there. You rocked up in a suit. Yeah, I'm rocking up in a suit. I stood out so much. And I clearly missed the man. Yeah, Joey. You gotta wear a suit for me, Joey. First of all, you guys can come in a taxi. So, you know, you gotta-

I have to travel an hour to get to the cinema. I'm not wearing a suit in this fucking heat, I'm sorry. I dressed up for the occasions, but not in a suit. You put a dress code out there. It wasn't like- I'm the one who suit-pilled everyone. I told everyone, anyone who, I didn't tell people, but if people asked me, I was like, it's suit. It's a suit. You didn't ask me. So Geary asked me, Emily asked me, I was like, it's suit vibe.

And then Dinos was like, I don't own a suit. I was like, I don't own a suit. The moment Dinos walked in the room, I was like, oh, thank God. I'm not the only one. Because he doesn't own a suit. He doesn't own a suit. You gotta own a suit. I couldn't believe it. I was like, this is your excuse. Get a suit. Yeah, because I think it was literally the week before because we were doing the dub and I think we were-

having the voice acting recording session with Alex Lee. And he just casually asked me in the recording session, so do you know what you're planning for your premiere yet? And I just like. Wait, I need to think about that. Wait, oh shit, it's a premiere. Oh shit, I wanna know what I'm wearing. What is everyone else thinking? Yeah. And this is when I realized I was talking to people and this is when I realized Connor had suit-pilled everyone to be like, yes, all right, we're all suing.

You've got to watch it out. Like Emily had gotten her dress and for some reason, this is just, I don't know, my mind works weird because Sydney had like prepared her dress like fucking ages ago and Sydney looks fantastic. on the night. She came up and I loved her dress. I helped her pick out her dress. But for some reason, Sydney sorting out her dress didn't like click my mentally that I was like, I need to sort something for myself as well.

So I pick up like a new suit, literally the day before, just because we didn't have time. And- Looks great though. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I wanted to do something that was not- you know, to be cool. It gave Southeast Asian vibes. It worked well with your skin tone. I don't think I can pull off the color. It's like burgundy.

I just wanted to try a new color other than black. It looks really good. It just fitted very nicely. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I got that the day, literally the day before the premiere. So yeah, happy. happy with that soup. So yeah, we rock up. And yeah, this was just a different kind of nervousness because with Trash Taste Tour, obviously I had you guys to back me up, right? But with this one, I was like, number one.

this is just me. This is just me out there. So I guess kind of with like your kind of like with your events, with your like charity auctions, for example, I'm like, I felt for it. I felt for you up there because I'm like, oh. It's just you up there, you're presenting like yourself and there's no one to like back you up if the energy comes down. But aside from that, I wasn't nervous about having to perform.

It was like, I knew I, you know, it's, I was talking about my show. That was, that was easy. It was like, holy shit. This is like two years of work leading up to this moment. And The show is the work that I've already done. And all I'm doing is sharing my work. And it was like so fucking surreal just to reach a moment where you don't know.

how the audience is going to react. You think you like it because you've been working it for so long, but you get to the point where you are presenting your work to someone else for the first time and you just hope that people are going to understand and- see it the same way that you see your own work. And it's just this nerve wracking moment of just, I hope people understand. I hope people like it. I hope. I hope I made something decent and I am going to find out today.

Whether I like it or not, I might've made mid. Damn. I mean, as a mate, like initially when you were doing all this, that was a concern. I was like, what if Garnt makes mid? I don't have the heart to tell. Do I tell you? What do I do? I don't know how to process. That's so hard. But I feel like you would know it's mid. And I think... I know you, and I know you wouldn't make me. Like I know you have the ability to spot me. I know that I...

Throughout the process of this, I never had the intention to make mid. Of course, of course. Does anyone ever have the intention? No, that's the thing. I'm sure a lot of creators, I'm sure no one wants to make mid jokes. Especially when you, you know, I think one of the biggest challenge of going-

from being a YouTuber stream or whatever it is when you're mostly working on your own is to like to keep that kind of creative control that you have and what makes that good and your ability to spot maybe ideas or...

directions that you should go in. It can be really a challenge sometimes to kind of work with a group on that and kind of bring in a lot of professionals who have a certain way of doing things. But I mean, from everything you said, it sounded like, if anything, that kind of enabled you. to kind of do great, even cooler things. It was just like a lot of pressure, I would say, because I think I definitely felt the pressure of just knowing that viewers know me for what my career is, which is-

my opinion about anime and talking about anime. And there was definitely like a certain pressure there where I'm like, shit, if I make something shit- Well, yeah, you have a harder job. The way you have to get to is-

because people have expectations for you and think of you as the funny YouTube man and not the guy who makes- Well, not only that, but I also, I think just the fact that Garnt is known to like express his opinions on other works, right? So it's like, you know, you don't want to be that guy who's like, you know, very loud.

about someone else's work and then turn around and make something similar. Yeah, because throughout the process of this, I have definitely seen that critiquing something and actually making something is- a different skillset. You can know what is good and what works, but then applying that actively is like a-

new skillset that you need to learn. And it's a different challenge, which is why my, like my first screenplay absolutely sucks. You know, I had all this thing in mind and then trying to apply it was just Totally fucking, I totally fucking bombed that. And then the second pressure was like, I had put so much work into filming every part of this documentary. Yeah, I was shocked by how.

how good it was, to be honest. When we started rolling, I was like, holy shit, this is insane. This is like an actual documentary. This is like really fucking good. And I was like, obviously I'd seen Ban quite a lot at this point because we've been working on the dub.

I hadn't seen any of this documentary. And I was like, holy shit. The fact that it's edited in like a Monogatari episode. Oh yeah, yeah. The editing, the flow. I was like, God damn. Really, really good. I went to Muda afterwards. I was like, why don't we make shit like this?

It's taken us a fuck ton of work, but I would like, throughout making the documentary, I was like, damn, am I just documenting my fucking downfall right now? Is this going to be in the most well documented? Like imagine if I made- the anime version of like War of the Worlds. But also I think-

There's a lot of value to a documentary like that. Imagine you do the fucking documentary, you build it all up and it fucking bombs. I would want to watch the bomb. I want to know what happened. I think it would be one of those things where it's- impossible to turn away to watch someone have to kind of go through that. Like I would, that's interesting. That is interesting. I think that's interesting, but also as a creator, I think it'd be hard, but I think as,

the individual, I think I'd be able to recognize that opportunity and it would fucking hurt. I think I would- It's cool when it's not happening to me. I would cry myself for like a month and I'd be like, all right, I can make some banger content out of this. This is gonna be a banger document.

just clowning on myself. I think that's the beauty of a documentary is that you don't know where it goes when you're filming it. It could really just take a turn. Yeah, there was so many parts during the process of barn when I just didn't know if I was going to, if it was going to.

and it turned out well. Like, obviously I've talked about like the creature designs and stuff like that, but before this project, Studio Daisy had not worked on a project of this scale before, so. Even though I was giving as much direction as I could, there was still like a long period where I was just kind of trusting them to like, oh, make this look.

and make this look good and make all the emotional beats hit. And there were some points in the process, which you're gonna see in the documentary, where I just, I didn't, it's not that I was like, I thought he was going to bomb, but there was some parts where I'm like, I don't think this is as good as I think it is, or as it is in my head. And then it was, I realized that that feeling is just part of the creative process because.

there's so much that I had to just, the creative process is not getting things perfectly the first time. Even working with Kevin, I know how talented Kevin is, but there are even some points with like Kevin's music where I was like, Shit, this isn't hitting as much as I thought it would. And this video is sponsored by Tokyo Treat. Boys, the spooky season is almost here. And you know what that means? That means that Tokyo Treat right here.

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You were in a space where I think it's fair to say that like you're new. Yeah, exactly. Kevin is established and Kevin has proven himself to do great work. So it's kind of like that scary moment where you're like, oh. I have the vision for this thing. And what this absolute professional who's proved himself time and time again has given to me is not quite hitting where I need it to. And it's kind of scary having to give that feedback and be like, I...

think what you did needs to be changed. I think though that's like incredibly healthy actually for a creative because it's like you don't want to be one of those like creatives especially if you're going into it like for the first time to, you know, just like constantly be like, no, this is how I want to see it. This is how I want to do it. And you're just like stuck in your own head. Cause I feel like.

that's where a lot of mid is kind of born, you know? Cause it's like- You gotta be open to ideas. Yeah, you gotta be open to other people's ideas and then realize- But also know your vision. Yeah, totally, totally. So I think that's super healthy. And also it was just like, there were some points where I don't know why, but- Being in this role of like supervising director.

During the process of making this, for some reason, the algorithm just suddenly started to recommend me all of the fucking Stanley Kubrick documentaries of like how much of a fucking asshole he was. And I was just- There was a part of me where I was like, shit, do I need to be Stanley? Do I need to be like asshole? And I'm like, no, no, no, this is wrong. You know, it's-

There are times where you need to put your foot down, but also you can achieve great results without being a fucking dickhead. What is it? You catch more bees with honey? Is that the saying?

I don't know. I've never heard of the saying. You've never heard of the saying? You've never heard of the saying? No. What? Look at all. Catch more bees of honey, which means that, you know, you- I'll catch more flies. Sorry flies. Okay. Yeah. I was just saying that, you know, you know, sometimes kindness is the way or yeah. I mean, it depends. I mean, you just got to know, right? You got to know when it went.

Yeah, I think, again, it's that balance of like, you know, you can be strict and you can put your foot down and you can say like, hey, this is how I want to see it. And I don't want to do it any other way. But again, I think it's fine to be like, well. you're the expert. So, you know, it's fine. I mean, I would say that, you know, before I ask you guys' opinions on the shorts, which I'm very, very excited to hear, my experience has just been life and just work. And this just, just.

pertain to the anime thing, but just everything. Life is a lot easier if people like you. If people like you- You just, life is a lot easier. You get more opportunities. People want to work with you. And I think there was an interview in the press, in the press interview after the bond where. like the press asked the director, oh, why did you want to like take on this project initially? And he was like, oh, actually.

You know, I got the script and I thought it was a good story and I wanted to, I was interested in adapting the story, but the real draw for this was within my, when he had the first meeting with me and he was like, I just. really found Garnt an interesting person and I liked his energy and he was the one that really made me want to work on this project more than the actual story itself.

And I was just like, oh. That's so sweet. That's literally him going, that's literally him going, I didn't know you would chill like that. I was like bro. I didn't know you said that. I didn't know you thought that until now. Yeah, but so obviously I premiered it for the first time. It was also a great show. It was like two hours. I didn't know that.

I just figured we were watching it and then we'd chat a little bit, but it was like a whole like two hour present. It was awesome. I was like, damn, I'm getting like a whole ass thing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, people paid for it. So I wanted to give them, you know, something for their money's worth. Totally. I fucking ate the popcorn.

I literally finished it as the short ended. I thought I had to hurry. But I was like, I could've just been, you know. I was like. Yeah, just in my periphery, because Connor was sitting next to me, just the entire time. I'm like, brother, relax.

Cause I'd seen the short already. So I was like, but I hadn't listened to the, obviously all of it in the cinema, which is like a cool new experience. And like Kevin's music in the cinema as always is great. So, so, so now I can finally ask you guys.

What do you guys think? What do you guys think? Is it mid? You can tell me. I mean, it was all right. I'm just kidding. No, it was basically the first time for me watching it. And I thought it was fucking fantastic to be honest. Like, and I'm not- just saying that because you're my mate like genuinely it's so difficult to be able to convey like a full story

in what, 18 minutes of runtime? And the fact that you were not only able to very concisely give a story that was easy to understand and easy to follow with characters that were relatable, but also I like the fact that you left a lot of room.

for the law, for like any potential things. And I feel that's one problem a lot of short anime have where it's like, they try to confine everything into the short time period with like nothing left to spare. But like, there's so many ways where you can do that. and give like an ending that is, you know, what's the word? Like is good and doesn't leave you hanging. Yeah, and it's succinct. But also at the same time being like, yeah, but like, you know, what if-

we explore that side or what if we explore that, you know, like it gives room for interpretation. And I think, yeah, and you did that. really fucking well. You gotta dumb it down, people like me. When I first watched it, I was confused. Really? No, I was like, who's that old guy? I didn't realize it was Dai Chi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, oh shit. And then I was telling like Emily and Dai was like,

If you need any law, just ask me. I'm a law master. I've already seen, I've watched this like 19 times. I've just gone over there. Connor went from like the monkey brain to just understanding all the fucking intricacies of like all the characters and everything like that. It was a short that I think almost is a disservice to watch just one time, because I feel like I missed so much on the first one that I didn't appreciate, because I was just trying to like...

get my, you know, trying to- Get your bearings. Yeah, and also I was obviously just like nervous because I was like nervous for you. So I was like, I don't know what to expect. But then also, you know, you listen to Kevin's music and there's so much to take in.

It was almost overwhelming initially where I was like, oh my God, there's like, there's a lot that I want to watch. We're moving, we're moving to 18 minutes. So it was cool. And I mean, other than that though, it's fucking awesome. And I really feel the... Like you said, there is a lot of vulnerability from your side. It comes across really nicely.

I'm interested to see, because all of us have experience with this kind of feeling of home and where do we belong. I'm really interested to see how people-

who maybe have never thought about that, will respond. Because also we obviously showed it in Japan. And 95% of people there were foreigners. And I feel like they could all relate to that feeling too. I would say that that audience was pretty much, yeah, the audience I was targeting in terms of the themes and like messages of the short itself. But I also think that there's a lot of aspects to it of like, you know,

even when I moved to London, I feel like I was so quick to want to move because I was like, I don't want to be near my parents. And then I feel like there's a lot of like introspective kind of- It kind of makes you question yourself a bit of like, okay, why do they do that? Why do they want to leave? What was I trying to prove? My family's great. I love them. I think it's also even, I think it'll even resonate for people who, for example, like are a little bit younger and haven't left.

home yet right or maybe are about to leave home you know because like they'll see like oh you know maybe these are the hardships that I'm gonna have to go through when I leave home and you know maybe these are the things that I need to maybe these are the values that

I haven't thought of, you know, while living at home that I might have to start thinking about when I do leave home. So like, I think, yeah, again, the way that you like kind of structured all the themes was like very all encompassing. And I think that's what, and look again. I had no fucking doubt in my mind that this was gonna be good. Like this is fucking gone, right? I'm so happy to say that it's good. It's fucking great. My only criticism, if I were to say any, which is-

definitely not your fault is that I just wish it was slightly longer. Everyone has said that to me. That is no fault of your own. Obviously that's just the nature of the reality of anime being fucking expensive. Yeah. I'm hoping that this, this kicks off the

start because i mean it was fucking it was so cool and you know the one thing that you really you did with the short and i'm talking to pete about this is that like there was a there was a conversation to be had afterwards yeah about like you know the feelings how we felt which i feel like is the is the best thing you can do

That's what art's for. Yeah, giving me something to think about is, that's it. You did it. You know, like that's like the best thing you could do. And even every time I've watched it, I've watched this thing like 20 plus times now at this point. You know, never got bored of seeing it. That was my heart. Don't want to watch it again. Because one thing that was super interesting the first time me and Connor watched it together, because we actually watched it in Trash Taste Studio.

Because, yeah, this is already announced, but Connor, I asked Connor to direct the dub of it. So he's obviously had to be much more familiar with this world. all the characters than a typical person. But I remember the first time you watched it, you were like, there will be certain scenes and you'd be like, Ah, that's you. I see a bit of you in there. Yeah, and it's like, it was so weird because I said this at the premiere, but I don't think I've ever felt as like bare, like-

I've laid myself as bare as with this short because, you know, we've had some pretty personal stories and trash tastes before. We've gotten pretty personal, but goddamn, there's something about the way you- put yourself out there in a fictional piece of work like this that you cannot, I can't convey in like just telling you guys. It's almost like I'm letting you guys in on like my fucking-

In the self. I mean, as opposed for you just telling us, it's like, I get to kind of live through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Expressing it through art, I think, is very like, you know, vulnerable thing to do. And, you know, as much as we- All thing trash taste is dope. It's not a piece of art. So it's a very different feeling, I feel. Say that to our 200th poop story, Joe. Yeah, exactly. It was fun. It was fun, really. I really enjoyed getting to do the dub as well.

That was a fun step up. And I felt the same things you mentioned with Kevin, with Alex as well. Like where it's like, Alex is a very, very talented. and proving himself time and time again. So having to direct Alex is a bit intimidating. Oh, yeah, I can imagine. You're like, Alex, can you just do it? But better? Yeah. Yeah, because like one thing that I'm sure you learned as well, being in a position where you feel not exactly out of your depth, but you definitely feel like,

oh, I'm working with some talented fucking people. I am in control of them in terms of the directing and stuff. You have to learn how to just be confident in your own- like opinions and your own judgments um because you know uh at the end of the day there are tons of people but you they also need to be guided with whatever you think your vision is for what works best. Yeah. I want to know your opinions on the characters, actually.

The characters? Yeah. I mean, obviously I think it's very, you know, just of course hearing you talk about, you know, how you came to create Vaughn. I think it's very obvious to anyone, even on a first watch that, you know.

Daichi is you, first and foremost. And Rin very much is Sydney. And I think like, yeah, I enjoyed it because it's like, you got to really see the same concept of leaving home, but told from completely different perspectives, which I think is so important, especially when you're talking about a story like this, because-

As you know, everyone's perspectives on leaving home and feeling homesick or wanting to return home is very different. But at the same time, there is that, you know, universal feeling of longing for home, right? And I think Daiqian Ren- both conveyed like both ends of that spectrum beautifully. Yeah, I like that both sides were told of like moving. Both are just as valid as each other's, you know, even though they may be in different circumstances.

So yeah, again, I legitimately have very little to complain about. I just want to watch it again. Yeah, it's interesting because you're not the first person who has come up to me and was like, oh, you're Daichi, right? And I can see obviously why people would think that, I guess. But I guess I've always thought, and I guess there are obviously similarities to me, but I've always-

approach Daiichi as more similar to my dad and obviously I'm my dad's son. So obviously there are going to be some similarities that rub off onto Daiichi. But when I was trying to convey Daiichi's story, I was... Like I was trying to imagine myself as Rin, kind of like how, what journey did my dad go through when he was traveling around? Because my dad traveled from-

Thailand to England where he had me and he had this whole kind of like journey about where the fuck he found his home was and that he ended up selling in England. So writing Daiichi was a lot of... How did my dad handle the situation? How did my dad feel when he moved far away from home? And why exactly did he end up settling down in England specifically?

I was like trying to answer all those questions in my imagination through Daiichi himself. Because the way that, especially when Daiichi is older, the way he communicates was very, very much inspired by. how my dad communicates because my dad is, let's just say he's a very loving and sometimes very worrisome dad. But the way he communicates that is not always directly. He has a certain way of communicating his anxieties and his worries for his children.

or I should say his child, that isn't always 100% direct. And a lot of the way Daiichi handles his relationship with Rin was how I imagined or- how a lot of how my dad handles his relationship with me um so i i would yeah i mean i would say that Rin, both Rin and Daiichi, there is like a part of me in them, but I wouldn't say that either character is like a direct one-to-one to me, or it's not a direct one-to-one to anyone.

um yeah yeah yeah i mean definitely not i mean when when i said that like you know daichi is you in that sense it's like i could definitely see his story being very reflective on your personal story and the way that you viewed your personal story right so like yeah you know and and you know i think as well the the comparison might come from the fact that you know daichi is the male main character and you know you

I think it doesn't really, I think a lot of people maybe don't really think it beyond that point, but if you actually, yeah, as you said, like if you look further into it, I can definitely, you know, knowing your dad, I can definitely see.

I can definitely see parts of your dad. I can definitely see parts of you, but I can see parts of myself as well. Yeah. It's this weird thing where... I don't know if like maybe other creators have a similar thing, but when you're writing these characters and when you're creating these characters, there's a certain way you see them in your head where you're like, okay, this character is going to be...

like this or that character is going to be like that. And then especially when making an anime, it passes through so many different people, right? It passes through a character designer and then an animator and then a voice actor. Little by little, everyone on the team added a little bit of themselves when they, you know, helped me make this short film, right? So little by little.

The characters change just a little bit, like slightly. So they are different from how you initially envisioned them. But the more... The more that they pass, you know, different people, the more kind of like solidified and real that they get to. There was a point where I genuinely started. to think of them like real people. Even though they were inspired by his story or that story, eventually you get to this point where the characters are just their own people and are just their own thing.

And that made me, that moment made me really empathize with a lot of creators who are just like, I don't know how this story is going to turn out, you know, because sometimes you have a plan about how a story is going to turn out and then you write the characters and the characters. sometimes aren't exactly the way that you envision them to be. And so they kind of like, sometimes there's this character moment and they act a little bit differently.

from how you initially thought they were gonna do it until you get to that point when writing where you're like, wait, no, this doesn't make sense. They do something different in this scene or at this point. writing fiction that is probably like the hardest thing to do is the fact that it's like, okay, how do you write a character that everybody knows is not real?

and make it feel real. Like that is so much harder to do than it sounds because again, especially in animation, you're like, that's not a real person. Clearly that is a drawing, but how do you make it so that by the end of whatever story it is that you're following. how do you make yourself look at that character and go, I can either see myself in that, I can either see someone I know in that, or I can see a person like this existing in real life. Cause I'm gonna say this corner.

There was like a few points where I was just like so fucking, fucking proud of you, man. So far. I'm going to gas you up a bit because there was points in the, like in the dubbing session, in the directing booth where. You know, there would be a line said and when you were directing, number one, you got like the emotional beats perfectly. But like what also made me like super happy and like super proud that I was like, I fucking knew you could do a great-

job with this was there were some points where a line would be said and you would be like, I don't think Rin would say that. Or I don't think Rin would say it like that. And I was like, yo, I didn't even need to say anything. He. understands these characters so well. He understood the assignment. No, no, no. I was like, my bro understands my babies. I'm so happy. Because yeah, like I said, there'd be so many times in the booth where you'd-

correct a line or you'd correct a line read because you're like, the character would say it like this. And it was always exactly how I understood the characters as well. And it was like, it was. To me, as the creator, it felt like your mate. understanding how, like what your children are, you know? Who they are. Yeah, I mean, it was like fun challenge, but I mean, luckily, I mean, the one benefit of being short was that, one, there was less work for me to do, but it was, that meant-

that it was easier to understand the characters. And I think also what made it significantly easier in this scenario is that like I ultimately, I think even just from watching it once, I understood. from you talking to you a lot, obviously Trash Taste, like I understood a lot of these characters like pretty deeply just from that I felt like, because I kind of, you know, I could see where the inspiration was drawn from. So I think that made it a lot easier. And then also I think...

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like the main creative kind of allowed me to be like, all right, look, if I'm stepping out of line, I'm sure Garnt will tell me and he'll reign me in. But here's where I think that we can do. And then also it's a tough thing with anime because when you translate it to English, I think a lot of people really don't appreciate the difficulty of making a language with a different culture sound similar. But then you're not trying to emulate the Japanese, because if you try to do English...

like try to just translate and do the Japanese, it doesn't really sound right. And so then it's like, how do you find the balance here of like being faithful to what has come, but then also kind of adding a twist. But in this case, it was really nice because It was almost like, okay, just ignore the Japanese. It's like, this is a story and it is being told in English in this scenario. It is not...

meant for any one language here. So when there was a questions about like, well, they did this in the Japanese, like fuck the Japanese. I was like, this is Gantt's story. Let's just do it like this. I think it also definitely helped that unlike a lot of anime- That's an out of context fucking club. Fuck the Japanese.

Fuck the Japanese. I think it definitely helped as well in, I haven't heard the dub yet, but I trust Connor and that he did a fucking fantastic job on it. But what I think as well probably might've helped is that unlike a lot of other anime. Bon isn't really tied to one culture. Yeah, I think that helped so much. It's such an overall concept that can apply to any language in any culture that I feel like, yeah, it's correct to-

say fuck the Japanese because it's like- Well, yeah, if it's just like a school anime in Japan, yeah, we shouldn't be mimicking that. But if it's like a story about life and going through it, it's like, okay, how do we make this sound? more natural in English. And there were some lines that like the Japanese ones would sound very stiff in English. I think just kind of finding that middle ground that wasn't too like Gen Z, like fucking lock in, bro. It's time to go, you know, but like.

adding a bit more language of like, this is probably what he would say. This is what Daishi would say in this scenario. Like this, it's not, this makes it sound like I've fucking made it all hip and it's not, it's not even remotely that, but like, you know, just changing the language to allow also then the actors to. give them more authentic performance as well. And allow the actors to say something. And then that's also one of the benefits of having really talented actors on board because it's-

You know, you have someone like Alex, he's like, oh, I feel like Daichi would say it a bit differently. And it's like, all right, let's try it. Let's just hear it. Like, we don't want to rush. Yeah.

Let's give it a shot. And then maybe Alex does a read and you're like, that's great. That sounds awesome. That is exactly how I feel like Daichi would approach this. Especially because I feel like Alex can relate to Daichi. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, part of the reason I asked Alex is because I knew...

he could relate to Daiichi's character and also he's a fucking talented voice actor, so I knew he could nail the role, which he did. But yeah, I mean, with the approach to the dub, like I wanted, I almost see...

English Daichi and Rin and Japanese Daichi and Rin as like two separate characters, you know, that go through the same story. The way I see it is how- You guys haven't like, you guys don't watch much musicals probably or like much stage plays. I'd love to watch more stage plays. But like, you know, I've seen musicals where you see the same.

you see the same script and you see the same story, but you see two different actors playing the same character. Two different interpretations of the actor. And even though they have the same lines, go through the same character arc, have the same plot progression. Seeing just two interpretations of the characters, there's so much nuance that is different from one character.

from one actor to another actor that they're almost two different characters, even though they're doing the same thing. And that was how I viewed the English dub to the Japanese dub, which is these are.

These are two characters who are going through the same things, but the nuance of how they say things or how they interpret things is just slightly different. And I honestly think that- That is the, for me personally, I've always wanted to do that because even with ourselves, even with people, I would say that.

Thai-speaking Garnt and English-speaking Garnt are two slightly different people. Even though I'm both, even though they're both Garnt, you know, they're two slightly different people. I think we all feel that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a difference. like a cultural knowledge. Yeah, exactly. So I was like, Connor, you understand these characters and I want you to like direct these characters for the English side. You know, this is, you understand the characters for the English side.

And seeing Connor just step up to the plate was just fucking yes. It was great. I mean, I also like it was great because you'd pretty much you and Diana had pretty much done everything, all the prep. Yeah. So I just got to rock up.

and just like understand these characters and just direct. So that was great. That was really, really fun. I think some of my favorite moments of Connor directing was especially when he was directing Sydney, like with every other voice actor, he was like trying to be like,

I mean, he was professional with everything, but there are some moments with Sydney where I think he just, obviously Connor and Sydney know each other very well. And I think there are some moments where Connor just told Sydney, yeah, can we get that line again, but just. Just do it better. I just felt like I was in whiplash. I was like, again, again, again. No, it's like, it's when you're working with someone you don't really know, you don't know the boundaries.

It's like, okay, that was a good take. Let's, let's, we want to, you know, I'll try and be a bit more technical with how I. what I'm trying to talk about. And I think also obviously doing voice acting helped a lot in terms of, I know what they're trying to do and where or where they should be doing it. But with Sydney, obviously that's comfortable. So I can be like, Sydney, you know, that sound like shit.

Just do it again. Like, I'm not gonna give you like direction that's not gonna, you like, cause sometimes there's just a line and you know, you flubbed it. Or like, it's okay. Or like, you know, you did a line. You're like, it could be better. It's like, you know what you did. like having to be like, well, we get it. It's like, just do it again. Just do it again. And then once we get something like 75%, we can work on the specifics of how to change it. The only sad thing that-

The hardest part about ADR, which is the matching the lip flaps, is that sometimes you just get a bang a line and it just doesn't fit. And that like in Japanese, there's not like an adherence to sticking to lip flaps as much, but in English... We're very accustomed to matching lip flaps. Pretty strict. Like you kind of have to match them because it looks really, really off. I don't know why Japan, they're okay with this. And like why the, I don't know why this just like.

You just get used to it. I think it's a thing. I think, yeah, I think it's just because like, you know, historically most Western cartoons have perfect lip flaps, you know?

Yeah, and I think also English people are spoiled in the fact that all of their media is predominantly made first language English. Whereas I think other countries often, they have to kind of get used to things being dubbed. And sometimes, you know, it's not, I don't know. That's why if you see like a, you know, an English dub of like, say like a Kung Fu movie.

Like people are like less, you know, worried being like, oh, the lips didn't matter. It's like, yeah, well duh, it's not in the original language. Yeah, so that's like the major challenge of adiosophely is that like, you just need to get.

Sometimes the line doesn't allow you the emotion that you want to get, or sometimes you need to just change the words to then get that emotion. And, you know, it depends on how strict it is. Luckily in this scenario, we're able to change words around pretty freely to get that kind of, make sure we can get that performance and we're hitting the right emotional number.

There was also one scene where obviously Rin gets drunk for the first time. There was this moment in the booth where Sidney does a line read and Connor's like, Sydney, you were born for this one. I know you can pull up the drunkness more than this. Doing drunk is hard. I can imagine. It's really hard. Without being drunk. Because I said this when we were at the premiere, but like, and I watched an interview with, I think it was like Zoe McCallan talking about it. And he said that-

when you play a drunk character, the drunkard never wants to be seen as drunk. So when you're drunk in real life, you do everything in your power to not sound drunk. And so it's like, but you give things away. Like when you go to be like, it's like, dude, come on. Like, that's not how a drunk sounds. You need to have that kind of, that you're hiding something and that needs to come across and that's tough. But again, Sydney got that pretty easily.

Sydney got there pretty comfortably. That was one of the easier lines. But you know, credit to Sydney, it's- You know, the story of Rin and this thing, it's an 18 minute short and there is a full spectrum of emotions that might be covered in like six episodes of an anime that are now.

condensed down to 18 minutes, and that's not easy to do, to keep going from that, because normally in a show you get a bit of a lead up, you get a bit of a ramp, you get to kind of- slowly change with the character and build up. Yeah, that must be so hard to show that level of progression in such short amount of time. Oh, it is tough. It is very tough. I can tell you trying to balance telling a competent story is already hard enough in-

in a short runtime. But also just, sometimes you're so wrapped up in telling a complete story or telling a story and making it make sense. that's trying to balance, hey, is this story actually entertaining? That was like another challenge that I was like, okay, I know what story I want to tell. Is it entertaining? And that's something that I guess-

I didn't know and I couldn't know until I guess people actually watched it and gave me feedback. Like I would say that the one big change that the director put in there that I'm so glad that he did. because I missed it in the screenwriting phase, was do you know the attack scene? The attack scene that comes halfway through, right? In the screenplay, that was off screen. Rin's parents die off screen. Spoilers, geez. Yeah, yeah, because like-

Part of the reason was I was like, I don't know if we have the budget to do an action scene or like I wanted to do it, but I was like, ah, this is, I don't know if we have the budget to do it. This is, I don't know if the director wants to do it either, but the director was like, no, no, no, no. cut out something from the middle, cut out something earlier. I want to add an action scene in it. And after watching the first draft of like the storyboards, I was like,

when the action scene comes in is just the exact point where my kind of attention was kind like starting to dip a little bit. And then like, I realized that he added that scene. As soon as the energy level started to dip a little bit and then the action like...

Brings the energy level up again. And I was like, oh. Bro pulled up the YouTube average view duration graph. I was like, this is where it dips. I had the action scene. I was like, oh, okay. I'm like, I'm reinvested again in the story, even though it's like a short, short like film.

I was like, oh, I would have missed this unless I had the experience of filmmaking to actually think about like energy levels and retention levels. Not only was that great though, but I- but i also think that it was it was so well placed because it was around the time again where you're like you've

stuck around with the story and these characters enough to actually start caring about these characters quite you know fondly and the fact that we got to not only see a really cool and well animated action scene but also it helped not only build the law but also like build up that character, you know, and build up the world in general to the point where not only is it visually entertaining, but like kind of-

What is it? You watch it and you're like, oh, actually, now you just opened up a whole floodgate of- so much more cool lore elements that I want to know more about. It was good. I love the shots that you had where you just like Kevin's music just fucking do its thing. I love that. Kevin's music was so fucking nice. The montage scenes were so fucking nice. Just all the moments where you just have an extended shot.

I'm like, oh. I think my favorite visually speaking was that scene where child Rin runs into Daichi. Oh yeah. And there's that really trippy cool scene where it just kind of goes into slow motion. The music is so good in that, but just visually. It's so cool that you like kind of held that out because that's a very incredibly pivotal moment for both these characters in this story. Right. And the fact that you just held out and actually gave it time to breathe. Yeah.

is really nice because not a lot of anime do that. Yeah. I mean, I wanted to, and I think there was a moment in the premiere where I was like, shit, maybe it's going to be all right. That moment was actually right at the end during the Q&A section, right? Because we've done Q&As before. We've done a lot of Q&As before in panels. And I'm used to answering a certain type.

of questions, you know. Are you a boobs or butt guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this was like one of the first Q&A sections in my life where I was like- It was cool. I was so fucking- locked in in every question that was asked that was like, oh, I'm so fucking happy that you asked that question. Because like people were genuinely asking like, I think one of the first questions was there's a...

You know, I add the whole kind of like concept of magic in there that you think- Yeah, that question, I thought that guy was a plant. I was like, that question was such a good question. I was like, God set this off. Where he was like, so- What's the deal of like magic in there? It's just like, is it like, do people like it? Is there a social stigma? And I was just like, holy shit, you picked up what I'm putting down. Everyone was locked in. Everyone that was like really into it.

And it was cool because I'd been to like similar kind of events in the UK. And the questions they were asking were like very similar to the ones they were asking these like very serious directors. I think I watched like the Alita Battle Angel. with the director screening or something. And it was all very same questions. They're like very serious. And I'm so used to the questions we get asked. I was like, damn, it's kind of cool to see. It's kind of cool to see my boy up there.

That to me sounded like a fucking industry plan. You couldn't have ended that move. I was like, this is how the documentary ends. I could already see it. I could already see the question, the shot, the film. You're like, what's next? Yeah, it was like, the last question I got was like, what is... what is your like answer to where home is? What is your bond? What is bond to you? This is like literally the ending of the documentary. I can see it already. It was set up. And I was just like, oh.

I was like, I have the perfect answer to that because you've already seen my perfect answer. And there was so much because the answer I gave was that. My answer, I found my answer of where my home is through the process of making this film and you see my answer to that in the short film. I have laid out everything.

how you interpret that i want to leave up to you because this was like this as a as a fan and now as a creator being on the other side i there's so much of this world and there's so much of the storyline that i've intentionally left up to the viewer imagination um and every person i've talked to has asked asked me

a different aspect of the world, a different aspect of the story of the law and stuff like that. And some things I'm happy answering, like, you know, is magic a social stigma? And, you know, for example, with that, I was like happy answering, yes, you know, it's- is i put the magic in there as like it's not illegal in japan but it definitely is to use it in public bad manners and uh that's not something i specifically say but i'm happy that you're able to gauge that based on just

vibe and just context about imagining what would happen if magic did exist in this world. But there are like other sides of the law where I know the answer, but. I would like to leave a lot of it for you guys to fill in the gaps yourselves. Yeah, leave it open for interpretation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't want to explain everything. I want there to be...

I want you to be able to create your own story with the world and the characters that I've created where you can also fill in the gaps yourselves because everyone will have a different interpretation. Everyone has a... different way that they think things are going to play out. And when I got to the bar afterwards and you guys were just actively discussing it, I was like, shit man.

This actually happened. This actually happened. I think that's what makes the most compelling pieces of art is the fact that, I think artwork that- lays out all of the answers square up and for where it's like there's no room for interpretation or there's no room for you know looking at it in a different angle sure you know in some examples may be more appropriate but I think

The best kind of art is the ones where it's like, there is no clear answer. There are so many ways to interpret it and none are more correct than the other. Yeah, exactly. And it's not like I intended. It's not like I, it's a lot of this is me talking after the facts. What I just wanted to leave.

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That's me. I do that all the fucking time. That part is something that is just my life. And if you watch the short film and you even for a second just.

think about the message or think about how you're interpreting certain scenes or certain things in the film, then I think that... I'm so fucking happy and I'm glad that I could take just a little bit of your time. And that's why he's the goat. That's why he's the goat. Yeah. I got to piss. Fuck. I'm gonna let you finish. What a fucking segue. You're just like, yeah, yeah, stop talking. I'm gonna go piss. Stop talking. Oh my God. Oh my gosh. Perfect. But I wasn't late.

You weren't like- I got my popcorn. It was good. I like the theater a lot. It was great. It was so weird because making something like this, you have a feeling about what people are going to- gravitate towards and remember and attach themselves towards. But you can never know until it actually happens. So one of the biggest feedback I got after the viewing was everyone was fucking hungry.

And everyone was craving curry, man. Yeah, I mean, because the food is such a big part of the movie. And that was just something I never considered. That was... I thought, oh, people are gonna be talking about the world or maybe like the Naga or maybe like Rin or Daichi story. Like aside from like the entire like concept of like home itself, everyone was just like. Yo, where the food at?

Yo, what was the curry? That was the biggest fucking question. What was the curry that was in the final scene? It's just, you know, everyone's got that one dish that's kind of like curry. It's kind of like just food that warms the soul. Yeah.

I don't know, it looked good though. It did look good. It did look good. It totally blindsided me that that was just a thing that people were going to think about afterwards. Well, I need to pee now too, so I'll leave you guys to it. Yeah, I want to watch it again. Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed it. Again, like there was a part of it because I knew you were going to ask me my opinions on it. And I was like reflecting on it all this morning and being like.

Okay, well, you know, I want to be real with you. And, you know, as a critic myself, I want to, you know, look at it from a critical lens as well. But like, again, it's like, I don't know, man. Maybe the bias kicked in, maybe it didn't, but I was like, fuck, it's kind of difficult to, maybe it's because I've only seen it once, maybe multiple viewings I'll be able to pick up on some things, but. Sure.

For the most part, man, you did a fucking great job. Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest, my biggest regret is the same as like your criticism, which is not so much that. I wanted to tell the story differently, but there's so much of Daiichi and Rin's story that I wasn't able to show. And I wish... God, making this short film made me realize, damn.

Five minutes is so fucking long in filmmaking times. I can do so much. If I just had five more minutes, I could have done so much of that. told so much more of the Saurian worlds. And obviously I'm very, very happy with this final product. And again, like that piece of criticism I gave is like no fault of your own. I understand and, you know, realize how fucking expensive this is to do.

But yeah, no, but I think, you know, as much as it is a piece of criticism, I think it's also a great thing to think about and have as a piece of criticism because that just means I just want to see more of it. Yeah, we need more, Garnt. You gotta do more sponsorships. We gotta ring up Hoya, bro. Hoya, where you at? I kind of went into this as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Like this was like my one and done, put everything into it. And then kind of like working on this, I was like, I kind of, kind of- Another one. I scratch a niche and I don't know if one- If one is going to be enough, I would like to continue the barn IP and I do have ideas whether I can bring them to fruition is a whole nother thing, but genuinely. Even if it's not another anime, I genuinely want to continue this in any way, shape or form, even if it's a manga or through other avenues. I don't.

I don't intend to let this die with- Man, you're fucking good at it, so I don't think you should stop it, to be honest. Hopefully all the big studios are tripping over to give you money. Yeah, and hopefully you guys enjoyed it as well since- By the time this episode comes out, it would have come out, I believe last week on YouTube or maybe even just now. I don't actually know. It will be up by the time this comes out though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I hope-

Hope you guys enjoy the shorts. If you want to support it, you can go to barnanime.com to get some of the merch that Joey's team just like. did an amazing job on. My favorite is just the jackets. The hoodie jacket combo that your team made was just, I remember first like putting it on and wearing, I was like, Holy fucking shit, this goes so well together. It goes so hard. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Support independent creators guys. Yeah.

And yeah, I generally hope that you guys enjoyed it and I hope you guys look forward to the documentary as well. I'm so excited for that. After you showed us the first 10 minutes. Did you guys enjoy the documentary as well? Yeah, it was sick watching Trash Taste on a movie theater.

I was gonna say, cause I wasn't expecting, I was saying to Garnton earlier, I was like, I wasn't expecting there to be trash day segments. So when I heard Garnton, Connor and my voice coming out from the cinema screen, I was like, this is so- We looked at each other like, this is weird. I was like, I remember when I was arguing and we started Trash Taste, I said, we should record in 4K. And I was like, I was right. Yeah, it does look amazing on the big screen. It looks good. You're right.

MVP is dead, bro. The file sizes are too big. Who cares? It looks amazing. Yeah, but also very thankful to have my family there as well. My mom and dad. Dude, yeah, your mom and dad, they were so sweet. I spoke with them. You weren't there yet, so I was chatting with them a bunch. And then my mom was like-

Yeah, you know, he's going to Trash Taste tomorrow. I was like, oh, you should come see the office. And then she was like, yeah, I offered to make food, but Garnt said no. I was like, Garnt said no? To making us food? I was like, absolutely, you can do that. I was like, in fact, I implore you. I think you should do just that. I was really happy to hear this morning. You're like, yeah, my mom's coming over to bring you guys food. I was like, yes.

Yeah. Let's go. So yeah, my parents are visiting and this is actually not their first time in Japan, but their first time visiting since I've moved to Japan. I didn't realize that. I just assumed they'd been. Yeah. I mean, it's been a very, very long time, but normally when I get free time, I go over to Thailand and they're happy for me to go over to Thailand. It's pretty close. So this time I was like, they arrive at the airport and I'm like, yo, mom, dad.

i'm so excited to show you all like the good restaurants have you try all the good food i got so many places to show you can be eating a good meal every day mom's my mom's like Yeah, that sounds right. That sounds cool. So where's the nearest supermarket? Because I want to cook for you.

And I was like, this is the most- Shanti's Asian mommy. Shanti's Asian mommy sounds the exact same thing. I'm always like, every time Marky's mom comes to visit us, I'm just like, so what do you want to go eat? And she's like, Oh, don't worry, I'll cook for you. And I'm like, that's cool dog, but I wanna take you out. I'm like, mom, you realize you're on holiday, right? You are, this is, you're traveling. I want you to relax. And you're like, no, no, no, no.

I wanna cook. This is my relaxing. More importantly, did you eat? More importantly, have you been eating well? Have you been eating good? I'll give you a good meal. I will make sure. And not only that. I will make sure all your friends are using that as fuck. So my parents are actually on the way now. Cause we're gonna have a lunch with some of my mom's cooking. I unfortunately didn't have enough time to actually like talk to your parents all that much.

This is what I love about your dad, man. I didn't have to exchange a single fucking word with your dad. All I had to do was dap him up and I'm just like, that's all I needed. I was like, big dog. Like I said, my dad. My dad can be an emotional person, but he expresses it in his own way. So when I knew that he was, obviously it was a very, very big day for him. Apparently, like Naby was telling me. that he just, every time he passed Nabi, he would just go.

That was like the most, like my, my dad way to be like, I'm fucking happy. That's like you did well. I love that like both of your guys' family. I'm like, yeah, I feel like my family too. I'm like, rock up. I'm like, what's up, man? What's up? Oh yeah, but yeah, according to Sydney, it was like, out of the two of them watching the show, I was like, oh, my mom's gonna get really emotional.

Apparently my dad was the one. My dad was the one getting emotional. My mom was like, yo, are you okay? Are you okay? That's how it is, right? The moms are always emotional and they have a certain level and then the dads are the big points like, oh my boy, my boy, that's my boy. The dads are the ones that have like the clear breaking point. It's like this will do it for them.

I'm going to add one more story. Your dad almost missed the final photo op when you were on stage trying to take the final photo. He was walking back from the bathroom, and I told him, it's photo time, dad. It's photo time. He was like... Your dad also came up to me. He's like, it's so unusual. I never see you looking good. Because I was wearing a suit. I was like, damn, okay. I was like, I clean up. I clean up. I can clean up.

He's like, I don't see you outside of the shirt. And he was so excited. He's like, I wear the same shirt too. I was like, I know I've seen, I've seen, I've seen, I've seen. Oh, bless your dad. My dad has the bluntest way of telling, of saying things sometimes. Yeah, he's so sweet though. He's so sweet. I love him. What a goat. But it was a cool experience, man. Yeah, yeah. It was awesome to be a part of, and I said it to...

I was like, it's so cool that my friends are talented. Because I just used to go and be a part of these cool things. I know, it's so cool that my friends are talented. Fuck, I feel that, I feel that. Whenever I get to go to your guys' event, man, it's just. Yeah, I'm happy that we got a good group of friends. I mean, very thankful that obviously, aside from my parents, Sydney was there, you guys were there.

I had, you know, Giri, Emily Didis, Pete. That's the one thing I feel very grateful for in Japan is that like I- think we are all fucking good friends. There's fucking no drama. It's just fucking, just fucking good life. Yeah. Everyone just pulls each other up, you know? And I think that's the best. Yeah. I love that everyone, everyone cares about each other. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone just wants to like.

just support each other. And it's just, you know, sometimes there are a few people where, you know, you don't talk to them for a while and then they turn up to your event and you're like, damn man. Like, you know, even Chris who unfortunately couldn't attend the event to you, cause he's in England right now. Really, really wanted to fucking come as well. And there are a few people who couldn't couldn't attend.

Malin was like a fucking proud mom on the day as well. See, Malin was great. I've seen Malin ages. So I was like, same here. Same here. I was like, yo, you left your farm life just for this, man? Oh, man. It was cool overall. Yeah, good vibes all around. If you'll allow me to derail the conversation. Yeah, go for it. I wanted to talk to you about it, Garnt, because I played Soma. Oh, you played Soma? I played Soma. Yo, tell me all about it. Tell me all about it. Have you played Soma, Joey?

Oh my God. I mean, I've heard gone talking about it. I think it might. I mean, maybe I'm, it's just a recency, but it's definitely my favorite, like existential horror. that I've ever experienced. It was so fucking good. I've only heard the name of it. I haven't seen anything of the actual game. I'll kind of tell you the rough.

opening and then I won't spoil too much because I don't want to go too much into it. But basically you start off, you're in this car, there's a car crash that you're part of and your partner dies and you've clearly had some kind of really severe brain damage. And you're kind of going through this experimental treatment. And there's a place in, like, I think current day Toronto, where a guy is doing some kind of experiments with...

scanning your brain and then doing a bunch of tests to see on that scan to see which one will be most effective. Kind of like, almost like, it sounds like AI. But they'll scan your brain and kind of do a... thousands of tests on that scan to see which one will work to fix you. And so he does the scan, but the moment we do the scan, we're almost like transported. to this other fucking setting that's in like this like futuristic kind of you just you just wake up in this

futuristic space station looking thing. And then you're trying to like fucking pick up the pieces of what the fuck is going on. And it's fucking amazing. It's so fucking good. Because every single time that I thought I figured out the big twist, they just tell you. They're like, oh yeah, you're right. There's seven more hours of the game. And then you're like.

Oh God, oh God, what else is gonna happen? Because you're like, there's this kind of dread building throughout that you're like, oh no this is really fucked right this is really really fucked this is one of the only horror games that i've ever completed and it's a goddamn masterpiece i need to know without spoiling What was your emotions after the ending? Man, I was just... It's so tough because the whole concept of the ending as well, it like fucked me up a little bit. Yeah.

with the with the coin toss yeah like that was so genius yeah i love that so much this ending me up for like a day you know after you like finish your work that's so powerful that you're just like you can't do anything else because you're just like you gotta I'm gonna lie on the couch and contemplate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This game has one of my favorite ending in video games. I think it's one of the most powerful endings of any game I've ever played ever. It is like so.

immediate and abrupt in a way that leaves you kind of like, fuck. It's so cool. Dude, this, I can't believe this was 10 years ago because it's, again, it's one of those games where like the themes and the messaging is just so much more poignant today even than it was perhaps even 10 years ago and uncomfortable. And there's a lot of aspects. to what does it mean to be human? What is too much? What is morally correct for the human race? Should our survival...

come at the cost of everything else around us. You know, all these like really existential questions that you're kind of almost answering through gameplay and not really thinking. And you're like, oh God, like I don't like this. Like I really don't like any of this. Yeah. It was, I remember the first time I played it and the problem with this game, especially talking about it on the podcast, is that it's so hard to talk about without spoiling because there is so...

It's so dense with ideas, but if I talk about one plot point that scatters and knocks on effects with like... a lot of different plot points. Yeah, we have to go into all of it. You gotta play this game, Joe. It's so fucking good. I mean, you guys have sold me on it. It's so fucking good. It is existential horror.

which is like my favorite type of horror, to be honest. And I have never felt more existential with like, there's few pieces of media. There's some fucking scary moments though as well, where they're like, they are just cooking. They're like absolutely like suffocating you with tension. They just don't give you the-

of like a jump scare. And you're like, when is it gonna happen? Yeah, this is not a jump scare game, which is good. But even then it's still fucking terrifying. Oh, but I think that's the best kind of horror. It's the ones where it's like, it's so good at building up that tension. And then it's just like.

Gotcha. And now you're on the edge of your seat for the entire ride. Yeah. If you want to play one of those games that will make you feel empty afterwards or not exactly empty, but just makes you question everything, makes you question yourself, makes you question life. There are a few games that are as powerful as this, and it's pretty short as well. Did you finish it in one sitting? Yeah, it was about nine hours. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's good. I mean, very, very doable in a day. Yeah. So much.

just so much that I was trying to like take in whilst playing it. And there's just so much I feel like I missed too, but it was really cool. Did you play on stream? I did. Yeah. Yeah.

And I was like theorizing the whole time going through and I was trying to ignore the checks. I'm like, don't tell me if I'm right or wrong. I just want to keep talking about it because it's so cool. But the whole world and the setting, because you're, I mean, you can see in the picture, but you're like, it's mostly like underwater.

And that's already fucking terrifying. It is, it is. Underwater and there's, you know, there's this dread forming. You're like, I don't like this. I really don't like this. Oh, the atmosphere in this is like insane as well. And, you know. Oh God.

I want to talk about so many pull points in this one. I'm like, I can't, because it's major spoilers as soon as I mentioned something. Let me put it in my calendar. I will play it this week. I will remind myself this week to play it. You gotta play it. I want you to play all of it, because I actually feel like this is- very Joey coded for the themes that you would like as well. Yeah. I mean, from the sounds of it, it was like, from how you guys described it, it's giving me very much like.

under water vibes. It'll fuck you up. It's one of those video games and it's a very, has such unique ideas, but. And uses the game medium to enhance the ideas that it's trying to show. Yeah, I don't think this would work as good in movie form because part of the reason why- this is so powerful is because as a video game, you play as the main character. So instead of like, you kind of like the questions that it asks you.

it feels like you are experiencing it directly as the main character. You're experiencing that as yourself. And I just don't think it would be as powerful without it being a video game. So very, very excited to see what you think about it as well. Next recording day, I will talk about it. All right, I need a quick... Oh man, this game is so good. I've been thinking about it. It's all I've been thinking about since I played it, how good this game was.

You'll love it. It looks so good too. Yeah, and I think it should run on anything. So I think if you wanted to put it on like the Switch, I think it'd be fine. Okay, okay. If it's on like PS5 or something, it might probably be better. Is it on PS5? Can you check?

Kai, if it's on PS5. I mean, if it's on Switch, I assume so. I mean, it's 2015. So I hope that it- Or PS4 maybe? Oh yeah, PS4. Does PS4- Oh, you can play PS4 games on PS5. Oh, okay. So I can probably just do that. I don't know how well it'll run on Switch. Can you Google how well does Soma run on PS five? Uh, uh, I don't know about, I mean, cause I'm always, I'm always very like, I'm always very skeptical about, uh,

games like this running on a switch. Oh no, God, this game runs terribly, even after the 165-hertz monitor. This game feels like it's running on 30 hertz. Oh, then maybe I might just play it on PC. Scroll down. Plays fine on my PS4. I played both PS4, PS5, never had issues. I played my TV from 2008. It was just that one person. Yeah, I think it is, but it's like...

It's never a game that you need a hundred frames. It's basically a story. Is it better with like, as a key, did you play keyboard and mouse or? I did, yeah. I think control is fine. There's never any intense inputs or anything like that. It is like. It is mostly like kind of walking around and taking in world building and then occasional moments where you will definitely shit yourself. But nothing that requires you to mechanically do anything. I'll probably just play some PS5 then.

Yeah, and I think there's a lot of, yeah, I think I can never like a game more than this fuck my life. I mean, I remember when I finished Soma, I just couldn't play games for a bit. It's by the same studio as Amnesia. Oh, okay, okay. so um yeah okay right on but again

All right. I've locked it down. I will play this. Oh my God. Okay. I can't wait to talk about it more. Yeah. I feel like this is going to be like a long, it would be like a long discussion. Yeah. Cause there's so much to talk about. When did you play it? 20 seconds. Oh. Oh my God. Like three days ago. Three days ago. Yeah, I did it right after climbing Fuji. Oh, what? How was that? Yeah. Which fucking, I'm never doing that ever again in my life. I understand the saying now, a man-

who climbs Fuji once is a man, a fool does it twice. I don't know what the saying is. It's like that saying though, I don't remember. A fool climbs Fuji twice. And I'm inclined to agree. I think the saying is a wise man climbs Fuji. once. I think a fucking moron climbs it once. A bigger moron climbs it twice. I'm really glad that I did it because again, type two fun.

I already was saying when I was climbing it, I was like, I'll look back on this and think it's fun. But I have to remember that it was not during the moment. It was, yeah. I mean, I'm not like in great shape by any means. I mean, like pretty- decent shape, I think, like I work out hopefully once a week, try to do twice realistically, but it's normally ends up being one, sometimes even zero.

Um, but yeah, I'm like, I'm pretty decent shape and I, I, it was a struggle. It was a struggle. But then again, most people don't recommend you bullet climb, which is going up and down on the same day. Yeah. Uh, and I have to agree with them because I felt like. unless you arrange like a taxi beforehand, you have to go up to the fifth station, which is a 30 minute bus ride from the base area. And that bus runs every hour.

but they stop at 6 p.m. So you kind of are on a time limit. And me and Mudan had a big discussion about this, about what time we wanted to start, because Mudan had done it once before. And the reason, okay, so... I'll just give a bit more backstory. I asked Mudan to do this last year, but then I kind of backed out. I was like, ah, I'm actually, I did a little too soon. And then he was like, how about we agree to do it next year? I was like, okay, deal. So we set a date.

arbitrarily about six months ago. And then as it started getting closer and was like, all right, man, I'll see you at Fuji. I was like, fuck, I can't back out of this anymore. And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. It'll be good for me. I'll do it. And it'll be fun. It'll be a good workout. It'll be a fun piece of content.

And I think it'd be great to do something with me down again. So I don't get to spend a lot of time with me down. So I was like, you know what, it'd be fun. So that's how it all ended up coming around. I then realized another problem is that

the streaming backpack pretty much takes up all of my backpack room. So I was going to have to very much limit the amount of stuff I brought. And I was trying to figure out how the fuck to keep this backpack to a minimum. And I had to bring batteries, which are heavy. So I had to bring a small amount of stuff.

to stay safe, like a little first aid kit, some like emergency blankets. Like, I mean, I was like, I'm bringing nothing. I'm like, this is fine. So I, you know, I put all my stuff in his bag and we go and, It was a challenge to say the least because we had a massive discussion at the hotel the night before. We were staying about 30 minutes from the base camp.

the base camp, the base of the, where you get the bus, then it's another 30 minutes before you start climbing. Sorry, it's a lot of information I know. So we were either discussing to leave at five or 6 a.m. Which one do you think I was arguing for? Six? No, I was arguing for five. Oh, really? Yeah, I wanted to be in and out early, because I was like, you know, it's never a bad thing to have more time.

Sure. Never a bad thing, right? It is a risky thing to have less time. I was like, well, I don't know. I'm going to be sleepy. I might not be good on stream. I was like, wow, wow. It was like 10 p.m. I was like, we got six hours we can get here, buddy. We need to go to bed right now.

So ultimately, I was like, you know what? I don't want to push you if you're not comfortable waking up earlier. We can do six and we should have enough time. So we decided six. And what ended up happening was that 4.40 a.m., I get woken up by like... And I'm like, fuck, did I oversleep? I'm like, Christ, do I go to the door? And Moudon's like, I'm actually ready to go at five if you want to go. I was like, motherfucker, I'm not even awake right now. I was like, shit.

Yeah, okay, yeah, I can get ready. So I got a quick shower and got ready by five and we left. But there is no more horrifying feeling than oversleeping and being woken up by someone knocking on your door. It is like top. three worst heart attack moments. Because you're like, my alarms failed. What the fuck happened? The systems that were here to protect me failed me. What's going on? It's like some analog horror shit. Yeah, it's actually terrifying. And I was like.

So I immediately woke up and I was like, all right, let's fucking go. So we went and immediately I was like, oh no, this is going to be tough. Because the very first station, we did the Fujinomi route, which is supposedly the hardest. route because it's the fastest yeah because it's the steepest and you normally go up and down yeah uh and it was scheduled to take online says five hours up three hours down i was like we'll do it for

It took four and a half. It was brutal. Immediately I was like, ah, this is going to be a problem. Right. Because it was getting steep. Yeah. And it was tough. Did not like, what does it say? It says ascent five hours, descent three hours. Spot on. Because you can, you start from the highest up as well. Yeah, yeah. So you basically have the trail sent the same. Yeah, so you just go up.

And I realized literally no one else was doing that. Everyone else was staying on the mountain. Because I was worried about it being busy. I don't know why. I was just concerned about that. But everyone was coming down as we were going up. And the people that were going up looked like they were- you know, they had like sleeping gear. They'd been there the night before. Yeah, so it was interesting. But I gotta say, yeah, fucking miserable. I think if I was an avid hiker, I think it'd be amazing.

But as a casual hike, not fun. Not fun at all. But, you know, it was fine. And, you know, there's a lot of places where you can stop. There's so many stations along the way, as you can see. And all of them have... drinks that you can buy and you can exchange your used bottle. So like really, you could easily rock up with one bottle of water. And every single time you buy a bottle, just exchange it. They'll take that from you, but they won't take out the trash.

So anything else you bring, you have to be mindful that you have to keep that. So quite a, just something to know. And Moodan did it in a suit. Of course he did. Of course he did. So it was very funny. As if raw dogging Fuji wasn't enough. Yeah. So every single person that passed us was like, because everyone, everyone has so much gear. Yeah. And like, and I think like,

Look, I think it's like, it's cringe to be like, dude, it's so cool. Like a mood on was underprepared. Like it had gone wrong. I had the first aid kit that he was making fun of me for bringing in the emergency blanket and stuff like this, right? Like stuff that was, you know, you should be bringing. And everyone- it looked like they were obviously doing it more comfortable. Like I got blisters, which could have been avoided if I had one trained more, had maybe better like.

Socks and shoes. My shoes were okay, but I could've got even better shoes or something like that. You know, like stuff that- Were you wearing like hiking boots or just like regular- I was wearing the Hoka hiking boots.

Oh, okay, okay. Shoes, not good, sorry. They're like half trainers, half hiking boots. Yeah, they're good actually. And they were good, but I definitely needed better socks because I didn't fill out the shoe fully that would like make less movement. You need thicker socks, yeah. Yeah, stuff like this. So just, I think it's the... I think it's the third one. Yeah, the Hawker hiking and trail boots are so fucking good. I also have a pair as well. What I realized is that I-

Hiking on a trail, I realized is just a different ball game to this hike. Like this is just straight up rocks that you are just like fucking like climbing on. Your shoes are gonna get fucked up a bunch. Yeah, they look like that. And I realized, yeah, I definitely, I think. full ankle boots are the way to go. Cause it's, it's just too, too many loose rocks, too much pebbles. Like I thought it, I thought it was more of a trail, didn't know that, pretty true research, but oh well.

It's a fucking mountain, isn't it? It is a mountain. So you guys gonna do it? Have you done it yet? I have not done it yet. And to be honest, I don't really have a lot of- I don't really want to do it. There's a part of me that's like, I should do it because you know, it is Mount Fuji and you know, I can get the credit of saying I climbed Mount Fuji. All my family wants to do it.

Yeah, I'm sure eventually I will. But again, like hearing your story and hearing other people's stories of doing it, being very underprepared. I'm just like, if I were to do it, I really want to prepare. I think I think you would need to be. I would probably recommend sleeping more. I think unless you're like really fit and hiking. I just think it wasn't fun having to force it and be on the time constraint. I don't think I'd make content out of it.

I don't think I can make content out of it. I would be too fucking exhausted to be entertaining on camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. But I was trying my goddamn hardest and it was tough. I mean, I've done some like big mountains in Japan before. I've climbed Ainodake, which I think is like the fourth or fifth highest mountain in Japan. That took me like about four or five hours to do. But I was...

Fucking miserable. I mean, I like it because I thought like it won. It looks fucking beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Watching just like if you go to the sea dog VOD, Fuji. And then, oh yeah, that one right there. It's fine, yeah. It's like, just skip three hours in or something. Oh, sorry, like two hours. Maybe you go a little further up.

Just when we're not sitting down a little further. There you go. Like, yeah, like that. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's kind of what I envisioned. It just looks like insane that you're doing this. And I had hiking poles, which helped so much. And Moudan didn't. And let's look at him. He looks like a drone. You know what I mean? He does. He's in MPC mode right now.

Is this arms that are killing me? This is like the area where the rocks weren't that bad. So if you go like maybe five, maybe like four hours in, right before we start, yeah, like there. Oh, yeah. Dude, like, this is near the end. Like, it gets fucking bad. Like, it is, like, genuinely, like, you need good shoes. And it gets to the point where you're just...

you were doing like double steps on like stairs, like every single step. And you're just, it's like your feet are in agony at this point. So yeah. Yeah. You see that like every single step is like a fucking workout. Like I'm like pushing so hard and then there's traffic. So you gotta like sometimes give way. But if you go in the morning, it's always like really busy too.

Is there something so funny about Munan's arms is like- Yeah, I realized he's very like- He's like, I've sacrificed all movement in my arms to put it into my legs. I think it's something you gotta do once in your life.

which is what I considered it and I knew it was a thing I had to do at some point and I'm glad I'm going because I'm not doing it ever again. Was the climb harder or was the descent harder? It's usually the descent, right? No, the climb's harder. Really? Don't listen to these people. I had a knee brace.

For both my knees. Yeah. Because I knew that the descent would fuck up my knees. Yeah. And it helped. It helped so much. I had zero knee pain. Okay. Yeah. Without those. I think he was fine. The next day he said he was filming around Tokyo.

Oh shit, okay. Like walking all around Tokyo. Yeah, Mudan's probably like, this is the path I used to take to walk to school. Yeah, I was like, I was like, literally I couldn't walk the next day. That's why I streamed Soma. Cause I could just sit down. Cause my rights were- I still now, when I was going down the stairs, like four days later, my coughs are still so tight. So my recommendation to anyone who does Fuji is immediately book a massage the next day afterwards.

Do it in advance. You will thank yourself. Because we got back to Tokyo by like 7 p.m. Yeah. because we got the four o'clock bus, which we just made, but the bus ends at six and Geary was doing it the same day as us and nearly missed the last bus. And if you miss the last bus-

you have to hike all the way down. There's no other way to get down. And so you have to go from like 1300 meters down. And it's again, like it's pretty brutal. Like you do not want to, like if you are going to bullet climb Fuji, which you shouldn't do. get up as early as possible and do it. You need to leave that room in case you don't do it. Yeah, but the real question is, how's the view at the top? Fine.

See, that's the biggest issue that I've had. And the biggest- I wasn't going for the sunset and most people go for the sunset, right? And you can't really see much. We didn't go to the, so when you get to the top- There's a crater and there is a weather station or something of the sort that is a little higher up and is actually another 20-minute hike. We decided not to do that because we were like, we...

We're good. We're already at the top of the mountain. We don't need to go to the tippy top. But of course my fucking brother messaged me. He's like, I saw you didn't go to the very top of Fuji. So technically you didn't climb. I was like, shut up. I'm in the crater. I see the crater. That was the coolest part, was looking into the crater. Yeah, you can probably go a little, it's before that part. I mean, technically speaking, Fuji is an active volcano. Yeah, it's around that. Yeah.

and then skip maybe, like, you know the arrows? You can just do five seconds ahead. Just keep doing that. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Oh yeah, there you go. Oh, okay. Like, that's fucking sad. Yeah, that's cool. Like seeing, I've never seen the crater of a volcano. like a mountain like that. So that was so cool to see. And now like this doesn't do it justice how.

deep this is. And that was what I thought was really cool. But you can't see anything outside because you're above the clouds. And if there's any clouds at all, you don't really see much. Yeah, that's the biggest issue and the biggest demotivator for me for climbing Mount Fuji is the fact that the worst part about the view from the top of Mount Fuji is that you can't see Mount Fuji.

which looks great. Cause like Mount Fuji is just such an aesthetic mountain when you look at it from a distance, but when you're on it, you don't see it. But yeah, I got an Oyakudon at the top. Oh, hell yeah. Coffee. And you know, that was nice. You know, it's not great, but having an Anakadon on top of the mountain, I mean, it saves you. It does it. Good vibes. Yeah, totally. We don't need to eat anything. He's an enigma.

He's not a human. He's like, I don't eat while I work out. He is a robot. He is a robot. I think he proved it this time when he just powers down his arms when he doesn't need energy. Conserving energy. 300 yen to use the toilet. 300 yen? Holy fuck. That's an expensive toy. None of those shorts are nice either. So I would say my one advice is... Get as much of that out before you get on that mountain. I will say, I mean- And bring a lot of coins. The maintenance person must be making-

as he should be making a killing out of that toilet. They logged that all the way down. It's like, I have to go up and clean which toilet? And the top of Mount Fuji is privately owned. Did you know that? Really? I did not know that. Yeah. By who? Yeah, I think- Iyasu gave it to a family, but it's privately owned at the top of Fuji. That's crazy. Yeah, which is interesting.

and kind of, yeah, privately owned since- Oh shit. Tokugawa, yeah, so the first rule of Tokugawa Shogun it gave to the Shinto shrine in 1602. Oh shit, okay. So it's been privately owned, the top of Fuji, which is kind of crazy. That is kind of crazy. I feel like that should have been something you-

took back as a government, you know? But hey, it is what it is. I mean, it's the same in Wales though. When I was filming in the castles, I had to get permission to, when we went to and film on them, one of the castles. It was privately owned. And we had to ask the family if it was okay for us to film that. And I was like, this is bullshit. This is an English family. You guys got so many fucking castles though. Yeah, but I was like- There's only so many Malfoosians. It's like one of the core-

castles of our country. Why is it privately owned? I'm like, that doesn't feel right. By the English as well. By an Englishman, I believe. I believe. Actually kind of on brand. I was like, this feels wrong. We should have took this back. But I don't think they- I don't think they make a lot of money from it. Cause it is, it is ran by the, like the organization. Okay. So interesting, but yeah, I think.

I'm sure I'll get roped into climbing it again at some point in future. Definitely most likely my family. Would you want to do it? I would say, I hope you have great sleeping pills if you are sleeping on the top, because I've heard it is fucking miserable. See, I would like to say yes, but I don't also want to commit on camera. That is true. Because that is evidence. Just say no, just say no.

I would like to do it one day, Joey. One day. I've never really been a big hiking guy. And there are moments where I really enjoy it. Like I like hiking. I like the idea of hiking. with camping involved. I think that sounds really fun. Like the idea of camping, doing a short hike, setting up a tent.

Maybe you've brought some like noodles and you got a little like sausage that maybe you brought up that's dry. And you're like, I'm like, that sounds great. That sounds like a fucking awesome time. Like that's when hiking sounds great. You got a couple of- So you brought a six pack of beers up with you too? That sounds like a good experience. That sounds like hiking is fun. This is more so like- You just speed run it. It's like, this is what-

I mean like the mountains like these are the Disneyland of hiking. You know, it's like the big one. It's like you do it. It's very touristy. It's very popular. Whereas, you know, I'm sure that mountain you hiked up was way less busy. Oh, definitely. Probably like way more fun, way more like you've already felt like you were more involved in nature, you know, whereas this one feels like, okay, I'm kind of.

participating in a system. There was barely anyone hiking when I did it. Like every time someone talks about hiking Mount Fuji, like yourself, it's just like, yeah, I've done it. Was it fun? There was that brief moment though, where you are that high up, where you do feel like the power of it all. Where you're like, this is kind of insane.

You feel on top of the walls, right? Yeah. And also like you have to consider altitude sickness, which I was very fortunate. I didn't get any at all. Maybe it's the, maybe there's some part of me that was built to be an explorer. I could have been that. We've been someone. Just born in the wrong generation. Born in the wrong generation. But you know, like it.

It's kind of crazy. It's being that high, especially with that last stretch when you're scaling the mountain, you really do feel the scale of like the insanity of what you're doing. It's like, this is kind of bonkers that you're scaling this high up.

for nothing really, for the love of the game. The next thing you need to do is the Sea to Summit. No. I have a couple of friends who've done that before, multiple times, and they're just like, yeah, it's really rewarding. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure it is. No, I'm good. Do I want to do it? Not really. I watched that Netflix documentary about that. The guy from who's the British, a British Nepalese guy who did the seven, seven mountains over 3000 meters.

or seven, what is it? Oh fuck, what is it called? Like Seven Summits or something. He did it all in one year. Have you seen this? This documentary is fucking insane. This guy is, yeah, this is a 14 peaks. He does like, I think, what was it? All 8,000, is it meters or? Yeah, 8,000ers, yeah. 8,000 meter peaks in one year.

That's fucking crazy. Oh my God. So that includes like Everest and it was really cool in the documentary. You know, you know, that famous picture of Everest comes from where the line, he's the one who takes the picture. Oh, really? And he's in it and he's like, I'm trying to fucking get up at first and I'm watching people like, and it's so cool because he's, he is just like a superhuman because they do tests on his body and they're like, yeah, you've got like the freakiest.

Ability to breathe at higher altitudes, but he's from the Nepal. Yeah, I was going to say, it probably helps being Nepali. They're just like built different. They're built on the mountain, you know? They're like, why are you struggling to breathe? We're only 5,000 meters tall.

And you know, I don't really care for these kinds of things because it felt like a very Netflix thing, but watching it, I was like, damn, this is actually really compelling. And he's a really cool guy to follow because he mortgages his house to fund it. I don't think there's a plan to make the money or anything. He just wanted to do it. And he felt like this was the only time in his life he could do it.

because his wife wanted to settle down. He's like, fuck it, I'm gonna do this. And it's a very compelling documentary. I highly recommend watching it. And it makes you feel like a fat ass. Do you guys ever feel like you could be explorers? If, you know, go back a few hundred years, the map isn't fully mapped yet. Nah, nah, I'm probably that fucking old dude. I just imagine how exciting it is, you know, where you're like.

The feeling of just having a map of the globe. I love hearing about this stuff. Yeah, having a map of the globe and just having like fog of war and like a certain size. I just try to imagine what that feeling is. is where you just haven't unlocked the entire map of the world yet. That must be so fucking terrifying though, man. Like just imagine, it's like, you see this giant mountain and you're like, shit. I don't even know if this is humanly possible, but one way to find out.

My wife on the line, let's go. All the stories about them trying to explore the Antarctic. Oh my God. So cool. Like Scott, this is the Norwegian guy who absolutely mocked him. It's such a cool story. and insane feat of human perseverance to a normal stupid amount. God, just imagine like discovering a new piece of land and just being like, what is here? You know, what, like imagine.

Bro, imagine what it's like going to Australia for the first time. As European settlers, of course. Not the natives there, but just seeing like the fucking animals there, you just must be like, What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? Eventually it was settled by Captain James Cook in what 1776, but before then the French and the Dutch both arrived and they looked at the continent and went like.

Fuck that. We are not settling there. Fuck that. And then some fucking English guy from York was just like, actually, you know what? This might be kind of dope. Let's check it out. But what was that? There's a famous quote of the guy. who first climbed Everest where like they, he got asked like, why did you decide to climb this mountain? And in the most giga chad way, all he said was something on the lines of like, because it was there.

And I'm just like, I can't be that guy. I am not that guy. I am not that guy. Yeah, I forgot the name of the guy, but he said something along those lines where he's like, because it was there or something. It's just fucking insane to imagine like people- Edmund Hillary, that's it. It is not the mountain we conquer, but ourselves. God damn, okay, okay. Quotes that go hard. Quotes that go hard. When you're climbing Fuji, you hear about altitude sickness.

8,000 meters. Fuck. I mean, Everest is what? 9,000, right? Well, yeah. Well, I mean, it's obviously the last stretch of Everest. You literally can't breathe. Can't breathe. Yeah. You have to do canned oxygen. Yeah. like that's that's That's bonkers to me. Like that is a thing that you have to do. Like you genuinely just get to a point where you can't breathe. It's like someone just saying like, hey, have you ever tried walking to space? That's basically this. Yeah, it's just kind of.

Unfathomable. Yeah. Let me take it. Let me take a one mountain at a time. Yeah, I did that. I did that basically. Would you ever want to try to do like any other mountains? No. After that? No. No. Fuck no. There's so many other sports that are way more fun. Sure. Cycling, we get to stop at fucking lovely cafes and restaurants and it's wonderful. Yeah. And I get to sit down and, you know, you can blast music on a speaker. It's like the vibe is just...

so much better on a bike. Yeah, there's some like activities where I have to, you have to- It's person by person. Yeah, you have to balance. To me, it's always, I have to balance the payoff for a certain experience. to like how much danger is my life in, you know? How much danger and how much work is this going to take? And climbing atop massive mountains, I'm like, okay, that sounds like a cool experience in my head, but-

Also climbing my Everest seems pretty fucking dangerous as well. Yeah, incredibly. So many people die on Everest every year. How many people die on Everest every year? It's a worrying amount. And then there's those Sherpas, man. They go up there all the time. That's what's crazy. Yeah, that's a walk in the park. They go up there all the time. Over 340 people have died. And ever since last...

The death, 1%. 1%. 1%. So one in every hundred people who go up Mount Everest die. Because it's crazy. There's like the only probably other sport that has a fucking death rate like that. It's probably like wingsuit. Like, you know, like it's- Insane, genuinely. And most people die from Nepal. That's terrifying. Yeah, but did you see the second one was Japan?

There is something about- 19 Japanese people have done. There are certain sports that I think is built for the Japanese mind and hiking is one of them. You reckon? It's built. It's a solitary experience. It's meditative as well. that is like a slow burn, which is like everything a Japanese like person loves.

And which is why I think hiking is so popular in Japan. That's fair. I know so many Japanese people that love hiking. Yeah. You know, there are some sports like with the wingsuit kind of like flying, like you said. I've always wondered. and I probably would know if I looked into this, how the fuck do you go about learning a sport like that? Because it feels like that, you know, that's a sport that feels like a specialized skillset.

But if you fuck up once- I think it's mostly people who went from skydiving, who then transition into it. Yeah. But damn, I'm just like, you take that leap from like skydiving to like wingsuit gliding. And I'm like, if you fuck up once- Oh yeah. That's it. Oh yeah. That's literally people who skydived and got down to the bottom safely. And when, yeah, I don't feel the adrenaline.

You know, jumping out of a plane just isn't enough for me. I need to, you know. What is the fatality rate of wingsuit? I think it's actually unhinged. Well, yeah, because you take one look, one in 500. You take one look at a wingsuit and my first instinct, yeah. Your first instinct is you're not gonna make it with that. One in 500 jumps. Not even people. That's like, we should probably not be doing this, but I admit it's fucking cool.

Could you survive a fall with the wings? You know what I think is the most dangerous? I think it's motor paragliding is the most dangerous. You've definitely seen this on YouTube. Motor paragliding? It is- Oh, slightly safer than riding motorcycles. Really? And more dangerous than riding cars. Click images. So you can show Garnt. This one. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, this sport is incredibly dangerous. But according to Google, apparently just regular motorcycling is more dangerous. I wouldn't be surprised, especially in fucking America. This is how I think a YouTuber died doing this. I mean, I can see this because it's just like- Well, anything where you're in the fucking air, let's be honest. It's like you, it's almost like a helicopter, but even worse where like if a plane engine stalls.

There's backups. Yeah, you can glide down. Yeah, you can glide down. If this engine fails and you run out of, like, there's no gust or for whatever reason it goes wrong, yeah, it's over. And then you're carrying, like, a Looney Tunes anvil. to the ground, you know? It's terrifying. Certain things where I'm like, you know, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I don't have to experience everything in life. Actually, you know what the most dangerous sport might be? I've been recommended it on my-

my fucking YouTube shorts is that, I think it's in like, I don't know which country this is in. It's like the go-karts. Where they go, you see this one? The Mario Kart, it's in Vietnam. Of course it's in Vietnam. Have you seen this? No. It's in Vietnam, but there's also one that I know of in Australia.

Yes, it's this. Literally all I get is click on this. These YouTube shorts are so fun to watch. It is literally people just fucking dying. Oh my God. The waiver that you have to sign for this must be insane. This one doesn't have a lot of likes, so I'm guessing it's more of a safer one. There are so many shorts of like people fucking being absolutely destroyed.

Just some of these crashes, it's the most Looney Tunes are shit. I not gonna lie, I really want to do this. I see people crashing, but it's always like it looks bad. Oh, that one, that TikTok there, the second one. Yeah, click on that one. Yeah, that one. Someone's getting shit. Some of these, some of these- Black people, Mario Kart, Vietnam. Why is that the tag? Go to the 320, oh, the 6.5 million. Yeah, the fourth one there. Yeah, that's it. Okay, let's play audio. Oh, yeah, audio.

So like you're just crashing into each other like that. On literal concrete. And look how fast they're going. Wait, you can- There are like walls that you can- Yeah, yeah. Yes, there's walls. What the fuck? There are clips where people literally just head first. Dude, dude. Dude, what the fuck? Play a different one. It's just the fact that these bodies flail around. Oh, it's so funny. Like you're just like, everyone is like.

Oh my God. People are like fucking, look at this. Dude, we need to do this. No, we do not need to do this. I want to do this so badly. It looks so fun. Yeah, look at that. Get back, get back. Can you imagine just getting a couple of brewskis with your boys and doing this? No, this is a- This would be so funny. Look at this. You guys tipped over.

And all you have is one dingy helmet. There's no like- Give me knee pads at least. Yeah, right? Yeah. I want to fucking, I need like some- Let's just drive off a cliff. It's ridiculous. I've been seeing so many YouTube videos of this place. I don't know why. This is insane. It's just something about this is so comical.

Even though I'm sure some of these people are getting hurt quite badly. Yeah, I'm like, this is something- The back one looks painful. It's just the fact that they're just flailing around so comically in these dumb little fucking coke cards. Bro, only in Southeast Asia, man, would this be allowed. Look at this wall, they got fucking trees in the middle. But apparently I have heard that there is one place in Australia that also does this.

No way, no way to this extent. I think so. No, no way. This would not be allowed to exist in Australia. Maybe not to this extent. Maybe not with the trees in the middle, but. Yeah, trees is insane. Yeah, having literally walls and trees in the middle of the course. It's psychotic. This is going to be the new, the new, okay, that looks cool.

Yeah, that's just regular Mario Kart. Yeah, that's just normal karting. Yeah, I mean, maybe if we die, you'll know it happens to us, but thank you so much for watching. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for watching. Hey, by the way, look at all these patrons. You guys are here supporting the boys as per usual.

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