Introducing: Shoot the Messenger

your texts, emails, phone calls, camera, microphone everything. How did this spyware come to be? We'll investigate how it works, who makes it, and the industry booming around it. In episode one, which you're about to hear, will start with the murder of journalist Jamal Kashogi and uncover how Pegasus was found on the phones of many in his inner circle. Here is Shoot the Messenger. Dubai is known for luxury,

high end shopping and a bump in nightlife. The heat and the United Arab Emirates can be oppressive, but in springtime Dubai can be pleasant. You can expect sunshine with clear skies, balmy but not too hot. It was a night like this on April twenty first, twenty eighteen, when Hanan, a latter, landed in her hometown of Dubai after twenty two years as a flight attendant with Emirates Airlines. The routine had long turned to muscle memory. On this Saturday night,

Hanan had just finished a long flight from Toronto. Her shift was over and she was tired and ready to go home. Hanan would have been wearing the standard Emerani uniform, a fitted cream colored blazer with red piping with the signature red pillbox hat. And this is where I like to imagine Hanan and red pumps clacking along in the manner which is distinctive to crew and pilots no matter how often you fly, pulling a black roll away behind her, always black, and maybe she had one of those squarish

tote bags strapped on top of her roll away. Hanan had deboarded a plane, exited the gate area, and walked through immigration at Dubai's International Airport thousands of times, but this time something was different. And this immigration people they know me by name. He normally took my passport to speak to me about my filife, but in this case, he said, Hannah, within a sif the system is down and I feel there is something roome. Hanan rushed into

a nearby bathroom and locked herself in a stall. She called the person she always called once she landed at home, her sister, and I told this my sister, there is something go on. Hanan had a terrible feeling that the Emaradi men hanging around immigration had something to do with her fiance. Her fiance was a journalist known for speaking out on human rights, and in the UAE, loudly defending

human rights could get you detained or even jailed. Hanan's fiance had already told her he worried about the way his work would impact her life. He gave me the engagement drink, and when he puts a rink in my hand, he sits Hannan and his skit. I might be a curse in new life. I might create a problem for you. Hanan wasn't involved in politics, She hadn't had any run ins with the police, But sitting in that bathroom stall in the Dubai airport, her fiance's words echoed in her head.

I remember this wound. I was very scared. She gathered herself and left the stall. When Hanan walked out of the bathroom, she was quickly flanked by Emarati intelligence officers. One of the member Toldni, woke was us quietly in the behavior, Chef, I realized you just have to comply with Jim. Hanan was then handcuffed, blindfolded, put in a car, and taken to an interrogation cell. I cannot express to you what is by feeling gives this time the band

in my stomach from the bank. The intelligence officers demanded she hand over all of her devices, a laptop and two Android phones, and that she share her passwords. She was taken to a remote location where she was questioned overnight and into the morning. Seventeen hours later, the intelligence officers returned Hanan's devices and took her home. Hanan wanted to resume the life she'd built for herself, leading a cabin crew across trans atlantic flights, traveling and visiting family.

She looked forward to her wedding ceremony in Washington, d C. Just a couple of months away. But after she was detained, everything changed. It turns out that while Hanan was being questioned, the Emaraudi intelligence officers were executing a much more effective plan to get information from her. I never had my

normal life back. That's because when Amaradi intelligence officers had Hanan's phone, they installed a highly sophisticated piece of spywear, and as Hanan went about her life, the spywear had unknowingly turned her into an informant, providing a direct window to the person she cared about. Most fears are growing over the fate of missing Saudi journalist Jamakah, who vanished

after entering the Saudi Arabian Consulate. The restrung bold details are pouring in about the likely death of this Washington Post columnist, Kagi, and they are just simply horrifying. Jamal Kashogi, Hanan's newly wet husband, the Saudi journalist who had been living in Washington, d c. In self exile writing op eds for the Washington Post, was assassinated just months after her detention. We never thought me, uncle Jamal. They will be extremists to the level to kill him in this

terrible way. When Kashogi disappeared from the Saudi consulate in twenty eighteen, it would be weeks before the world learned what occurred in his final hours. But it's taken years for us to learn he wasn't just killed, he was systematically hunted in a way we have never seen before. And what we now know is that the first weapon used against Kashogi was digital and it's called Pegasus. Pegasus

is probably the most advanced piece of sware. It is effectively the most invasive form of survey and it's imaginable. Licenses this software to intelligence and law enforcement agencies worldwide. Tool can also be deployed by a government to crush descent. Pecasus is a kind of software that can be used to hijack your phone. It's a military grade spying software.

It's this magic thing. It can infect your phone, and once it does, it's inside of your phone and it's like a little worm and it can burrow into every piece of equipment in your phone. This is Dana Priest. She covers national security for the Washington Post, the same newspaper as Jamal Kashogi. It can turn the microphone on, it can turn the camera on. It can go into all of your photos, all of your emails, even your deleted messages, and scoop them up and take them somewhere

twenty four seven and you'll never know it. You'll never know it. Pecasus implicates several countries and multiple government agencies and unites unlikely allies. It's part of a massive and mostly unregulated, multibillion dollar global industry. Battlefields aren't physical anymore. They aren't far away across oceans or borders. They're in

our pocket. And the threats that journalists face as they seek out and reveal uncomfortable truths are threats that we are all vulnerable to, no matter where we live, who we know, and what we do. Jamaica Shogi's assassination reveals that journalists are the canaries in the coal mine these days. You don't have to be a high profile journalist, or a dissident or a famous truthteller to get swept up. If you've ever had a phone, if you've ever had

a secret, you're at risk. Two. I'm Nando Vila and I'm Rose Reed and this is Shoot the Messenger, a new investigative reporting podcast from Exile Content Studio. Every season, we investigate one international news story you may have heard the headlines. This is the deep dive. Nando and I started the series with one question, what is the biggest

threat to journalists today. We put up a bulletin board and stuck a pen for every journalist who was threatened or assassinated or if they had a family member who was threatened or assassinated directly because of their work in the last five years. And we found one link that kept coming up again and again, from Mexico to DC to the United Arab Emirates Pegasus. How did this spyware come to be? How does it work? And how vulnerable

are you? Over the course of ten episodes, we're doing a special partnership with the Committee to Protect Journalists on espionage, murder and Pegasus spyware? Hell could have happened in there? Which piece together what happened almost like who done it? Given one instance of an attack, can we trace that to other instances in the other countries as well? Regardings are spying and the Bagatis, we did not know. They did track him through me because they know am the

closest to unto him. They starget me. Episode one Jamaica Shogi, a story told in three parts his life, death and betrayal. Jamal was a great man as a journalist and as a husband. Hanana latter first met Jamalka Shogi at a conference in two thousand and nine. Jamal is a kind of person we can say is not in the right or left. He's in the medal in his opinion and

his vision because his very open minded. Any bad grounds can sit down with Jamal, any race, any idology and do you have a different view from him, but you will walk away with a smile. Nana Kashogi captain touch and they are friends for almost a decade before their romance began. Imit Jamal first time two thousand nine in Dubai where I grown up and I remember very well.

We had a conversation over two hours. He was talking about the Middle East politics and forum policy of US toward the Middle East, and we realize we are like a twin and we continue. And I always used to give him a feedback in any article, any publish opinion. I used to give him a feedback and he was always waiting for me, calling me up, discussing with leaves. Kashoki spent most of his career as a writer and editor for Amadina, one of the oldest and biggest newspapers

in Saudi Arabia. Koshogi had grown up among the social elite and considered himself a moderate, but over time he developed a reputation in the Middle East for speaking truth to power. Speaking out cost him several jobs. He was fired from Almadina for publishing pieces that were critical of the Saudi regime, supporting women's rights to drive, or blowing the whistle on corruption among the religious police. Kashogi then worked for Saudi ambassadors and diplomats, living between Washington, d C.

And Saudi Arabia. This way he was able to maintain his elite social status in the kingdom, and then in twenty eleven, the Arab spring erupted across the Middle East. It's the first Arab revolution of the twenty first sent three or it will be precodet that people were fearless, but that they were joyous. Mbarak deposed egypt eighteen day revolution defies all expectations. Protesters across Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and Bahrain used social media to nize the masses and

take to the streets. In turn, many leaders in the region began to heavily surveil social media in order to curtail public discourse and dissent. A new industry developed to keep up with government's demand to surveil the press was

a major target. The Committee to Protect Journalists has reported that at the end of twenty twenty two, more than three hundred and sixty journalists, which is a twenty percent increase over twenty twenty one around the world are currently imprisoned, either charged with crimes against the state like treason, or their paper of record charged with libel, or even a personal matter exposed if illegal in their country, like committing adultery.

Journalism such a critical component at the outset of the Arab Spring, has become one of its long term casuals. For the very first time, a lot of the main television channels in Egypt are directly owned by the Egyptian military. This is new. You only need to target a handful of journalists before the rest of them are in line. Enjoying the episode, make sure to subscribe to Shoot the Messenger Espionage, Murder and Pegasus spyware. You can find exiles

Shoot the Messenger anywhere you get your podcasts. Okay, let's get back to the episode. Following the Arab Spring, in twenty eleven, authorities across North Africa and the Middle East increased online censorship and took over broadcast networks and media companies. Revolution did not come to Saudi Arabia, but in twenty fifteen, Saudi Arabia got a new leader. Now, at thirty one, an astonishing rise to power appears complete. They call him MBS.

He's young, popular and promising more change than his country's ever seen. The Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, commonly referred to as MBS, initially spoke of reforms. He allowed women to drive and attend sporting events. But while MBS endorsed some social reform, he crushed any type of political reform or opposition. Here is a clip of Jamalka Shogi commenting on the new leadership, taken from an interview he did

with Global News. I have mixed feelings about that. I'm very much supportive for his reform but his social reforms, But at the same time I repeatedly say he doesn't need to disintimidation. Muhammad bin Samon took the new social media playbook to a new level in Saudi Arabia. He worked closely with authorities to watch, target and silence any opposition, either discrediting opponents and complex media campaigns or arresting them

and sometimes their family members as well. Kashoki's friends advised him to be careful. It was sad to me, but it is noted that right time to shave MBS and his media is our singled out independent journalists after Koshogi openly questioned the Saudi regime support for the newly elected American President Donald Trump on Twitter, authorities told Koshogi to stay offline in two thousand and sixteen because he stid

a negative opinion about electing Prisidan Donald Trump. The Saudi authority did most like he speaking frankly and ask him to sit down at home not to write anything. Most to Abeer almost under house arrested in the summer of twenty seventeen, Jama Kashogi decided it was time to leave his home country of Saudi Arabia. What iver ner space I had was getting nerwer, So I just decided to leave before it is to day. I'm sixty years old and I want to enjoy life, and they want to

be three to speak for my country. Koshogi continued his reporting, but he never considered himself a dissident. Jammal did not leave to criticize, only justa for Asiko criticize Jiammel was optimestic about future of his country. He loved his country, but he loved to be identified as in Saogia and Arabs. Kashogi went to DC and began writing op eds for

The Washington Post. Kashogi put more than six thousand miles between himself and the Crown Prince and thought he would start a new chapter, one where he could be free to speak his mind. Hanan allowed her remembers the day Kashogi arrived in the United States. I was in London in this day, operating my flies. Immediately I called to him, so shaken him. I was so happy, and I did tell him something and I believe in it. I said, make use of your freedom. Speak up, and Kashogi did

speak up. He used his new platform in the United States to comment on his home country and Middle Eastern politics, and his first columns for The Washington Post, Kashogi wrote, quote Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince is acting like Putin, and quote Saudi Arabia wasn't always this repressive. Now it's unbearable. As Jamaka Shogi worked in exile, his fan base grew to over a million followers on Twitter. Saudi has an extremely active Twitter base. There's data showing that more than

seventy percent of Saudi's are Twitter users. Even an ocean away from Saudi Arabia, Jamaka Shogi still knew he had to be cautious. He avoided going to Saudi embassies and would tell his fellow exiled friends to avoid them too, But he wasn't scared. As Hanan would describe, he was trying to be careful, but he wasn't scared for his life. He never come back home and the woods at Shane fifty chin in the door I used to do before we go to sleep. Kashogi got comfortable with his new

life in exile, but he was homesick. He wanted to build a more permanent home and turned to Istanbul Turkey, a mix between East and West, closer to his home country, but what Kashogi considered a safe enough distance. We agree you have to buy a flesh in the Istanbul, to get a passport and to get a shelter from the Turkish authority. Moving a Turkey this is where things got a little more complicated. Well, Jamal's personal life was more

complex than we knew before he died. He had two relationships. One was a longer relationship and he was married, and that was Hanan. And the second relationship that we knew more about was his recent fiance Hadijja in Turkey, so

the two women did not know each other. During a trip to Istanbul, a friend entered Koshogi to a Turkish scholar, Hatija Sinez around the same time Kashogi married Hanan in a religious Muslim ceremony in Washington, d C. He began dating Hatijha and Istanbul and Hanan didn't know about Hadija, and Atisha didn't know about Hanan, and most people, honestly, even his good friends, did not know about Hanan. We're

not here to focus on Kashogi's romantic endeavors. He's not here to explain himself to us or to the women

in his life. But it's important to know because to understand how Koshogi died, we need to unpack the logistical details around the engagement to Turkish scholar Hatisha Singdez Because to get legally married in Turkey, Kashogi needed paperwork, and to get that paperwork, Kashogi had to go to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Friday September twenty eighth, twenty eighteen, Jamal Koshogi didn't make an appointment to visit the Saudi Consulate. He just walked in and to Koshogi's surprise, he was

greeted warmly. After years of experiencing harassment and intimidation from the government, which had ultimately forced him to live in exile, Kashogi found himself being offered tea by the Saudi officials in Istanbul. They told him to come back Tuesday, October two to get the final paperwork. In the last five days, Kashogi was alive. He lived like a freeman. He traveled to London for a conference, made plans for the future.

He was emailing his editors at the Washington Post, bloodsapping with friends across the world, texting with Hanan, and arranging logistics with Hatiche back in Istanbul the morning of Tuesday, October second, twenty eighteen, Koshogi met Hatija at an empty apartment in Istanbul, one that would be their new home. CCTV captured the couple holding hands on their walk to the Saudi consulate. They went together to the Port sult and it's in a quiet leafy very pretty residential area.

This is Carlotta Gaul, the bureau chief of the New York Times in Istanbul, who reported on the Jamaica Shogi case. He handed her his bones and goes in, and so she waited outside. It was one fourteen pm when Kashogi entered the consulate, and then that was the last any one sour of him. And then she's hanging around for hours after until finally it's clear that consult's closed and she asks the god. They say there's no one here. She asks the police and they say everyone's gone. That's

when she started, and it calls to people. Her teacher made many calls that night, including some to journalists, which is how Carlotta I got the tip that because Shogi had disappeared from the Saudi consulate. The next day, I went up the consulate and that's where I ran into her dj and she's sort of still there, pacing the sidewalk, and she'd been there all that previous night, and then was outstanding outside the whole the next day, and I

was the first interview she gave. But she when she saw me, she just started to open up little Saudi dissidents who wouldn't go near a Saudi concert or embassy. I knew there were stories of previous kidnappings. I was thinking he might have been taken out in the trunk of a car, and I was imagining he had been taken to an airport, private airport and already deported or you know, renditioned, as the word goes, What happened? Security camera captured the last time journalist Jamaica Shogi was seen

a lot. The group of senators is also written to trigger an investigation. The State Department says that is premature. Dana Priest remembers the day Jamaka Shogi went missing. My mind kept flashing back to the two of us. We were seated around this gigantic empty table, very beautiful white tent, white tablecloth. That face kept coming back to me, and I just kept saying, what in the hell could have happened in there? You know, in no way could I

have imagined what was happening. M Yeah. No. As news of Kashogi's disappearance spread across the world, local reporters on the scene in Istanbul, including Carlotta Gaul, were working together to get more information, but none of us had any idea of what really had happened. We pieced together what happened, almost like who done it. For one week, Jamaka Shogi remained unaccounted for. The Saudi government evaded questions about his disappearance. It was as if he had vanished into thin air.

And then Turkish intelligence released secret tapes. So we've been able to piece together the last minutes of Kashogi's life. Be warned, it's quite explicit. Major breaking news this morning, a jaw dropping exclusive on the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamaica Shogi. New footage that is flat out shocking. Buying in white inside was a Saudi hit squad. The transcript indicates noises as people set upon ki. Ki can

be heard saying I can't breathe. Kashogi was then injected with a sedative and suffocated with a plastic band brought with them an autopsy's expert and a bone saw to put the buddy in a back no too heavy, very cool. Kashogi was allegedly beheaded and dismembered Limb by Limb, apparent leader of the team. At least three phone calls during the murder to a number Turkish officials identify it as being in the Saudi Royal Court. The thing is done.

It's done. It is possible that Jamal's body was transported back on one of the planes. A lot of meat was bought for a barbecue that took place in the console's garden just after the murder took place, and that the theory being that Jamal's body was mixed with this meat and incinerated at a very high temperature. And it still kind of appalls me that we were standing there in the street outside this building where this unbelievable murder

had already occurred, you know. And I still think of that of poor Hardig, to think that she was just standing there while he was being hacked to death inside. And I'm sure she still thinks of that every day. Koshoki's murder caused an international uproar. The grizzly details came out because Turkish intelligence admitted that they had been bugging the Saudi consulate. The Turk shared the tapes with the UN so the world would know what had happened to

Jama Kashogi. Investigations by both the UN and the CIA unequivocally linked Koshogi's murder with direct orders from inside the Saudi Kingdom. We have breaking news this afternoon. Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mamad Been Saman approved the assassination of Washington Post columns Jamal Khogi in twenty eighteen. The report based in one of Kashogi's last columns for the Washington Post. He wrote, what the Arab world needs most is free expression.

It has been four years since Kashogi's murder, and the link to the Crown Prince is just the tip of the iceberg. That's after the break or his murder, there were a number of roundups of Saudis whose numbers appeared in the phones of people who were around Jamal. But I believe the Saudis picked up and in this case detained for months and months people who were in contact with some of the people the Jamal's in contact with.

So you're seeing this kind of ripple effect. You know, Jamal's in the middle, and then there's people who followed people who followed Jamal. What new evidence has revealed and what we are piecing together on this series is that Jamal Kashogi was being tracked more deliberately than anyone ever imagined. Several of the people that he was in touch with where surveyed by Pegasus. Pegasus has been linked to human

rights abuses on ethical surveillance. The Pegasus spyware, made by Israeli company NSO Group, has been used to target journalist, dissidents, and activists around the Pegasus spyware it is the most sophisticated spyware made to date. It was created by an Israeli tech company. It's marketed to governments as a way to target, track and capture criminals and terrorists. But our investigation shows that many confirmed targets of Pegasus are not

criminals or terrorists. The big question remains, did Jamal Kashogi have Pegasus on his phone? We may never be able to answer that question. Kashogi's phones are still with Turkish authorities more than four years after his death, but what we can do has examined the lives and the phones of those closest to him. We all obviously had an interest in knowing whether Pegasus was used in any way to surveil, track, and then aid the killers in murdering

Jamal Kashogi. Dana Priest from the Washington Post, as one of dozens of journalists working on the Pegasus project, a coalition of journalists and activists that uncovers who has been infected with and surveilled by Pegasus, and together they found a list of confirmed cases, a list of phone numbers. Dana Priest was focused on finding out if any of

them were connected to Jamal Kashogi. I drew a big circle of his friends and tried to get as many phone numbers that we could, and we found about ten people. And then a colleague of mine heard the post had was able to match a number that was in the database and was known to be associated with him, which was Hanan, a latter At that time, Hanan was really still in the background. Dana Priest learned about Hanana Lotter

three years after the death of Kashogi. How could Hanan's experiences reveal new information about the plot to murder Jamal Kashogi. Let's rewind to five months before the murder of Jamaka Shogi April twenty eighteen. They took me to a horrible place in the border of Dubai called Alahweir. I didn't know where I am because they blinded me and they hadn't cuffed me. It was very high security place. I never seen it in my life, and they took sample from my DNA from my mouth. They take a photo

for me from different angel. They take a finger brind and then they took me to this room for investigation. When Hanan was taken by Uia government officials, they were looking for something on Hannan's phone. During her interrogation, till this moment, I don't know why they taken me. I came to know why they took me because they have my phone with them in another room. They have my password, and he sent me a message and they came back

to me and showed me and they said. In the middle of Hanan's interrogation, she received a text from Jamal Kashogi. The officials saw the text and their questions took a different turn. They asked about Koshogi's colleagues, his friends, his plans. They wanted to know what he was working on and who he was working with. This interrogation continued into the morning. After seventeen hours, she was given back her devices and taken home. They put me on the house arrist. They

have my passport. They blacklisted me and my family. My entire family could don't to fly and after that I couldn't know how to communicate with him. Ammaradi officials. Detaining a flight attendant in what appears to be a favorite of the Saudi government is a critical moment. Hanan understood that this was a bold act, but didn't know what it all meant for her or for Kashogi. After she was detained, she did not tell Jamal right away. She

didn't want to tell him on the phone. She didn't know who was listening to her, how they knew where they come and get her, and you know, so she was so afraid to talk to him and tell him what had happened. Hanan was under house arrest for several weeks after she was detained and interrogated by the Emiadi intelligence and could not meet Jama Kashogi as they had planned in Washington, d C. But she didn't know how to tell him what had happened. Jamal went to airport Washington,

DC airport, was waiting for me in the airport. Suddenly he called me in Dubai. He told him, Hannan, I'm waiting for you an airport. Where are you? I said, Jamal, I'm not coming. He said why? I said so at Hustni just I told him a code to understand what is my situation. Hanan's code is the name of an Egyptian actress. Both Hanan and Kashogi shared a love for Egyptian cinema and are very familiar with the star Sua Husni You did eat. Swat Hosni is often called the

Cinderella of Egyptian cinema. In two thousand and one, Swat Hosni fell from an apartment balcony in London and died. Many believed she had ties to Egyptian intelligence officials and that she was pushed from the balcony. Swat Hosni was Hanan's code word to indicate she didn't trust their line of communication. He said, so as he understood, He said, Hannah and us you I would protect you. They kept changing ways of communicating in an effort not to get surveiled.

They used all sorts of things at different times so signal EMUs that a couple other things they came and went. After two months on house arrest, Hannan was released and got her passport back. She was back to work and went on a trip to the United States to meet Kashogi. They had plans to get married. We got to marriage in June twenty eighteen. They got married here in Washington, where Jamal had a house an apartment in McLean, Virginia, and they were married in Islamic ceremony only in part

to protect her and all. They didn't want to have any record in the civil courts that she even existed here in the United States. Hanan Kashogi were married at a mosque, but they decided not to get a civil license as Hanan did not have residence in the US at the time. The summer of twenty eighteen, Hanan tried to put her detention behind her. She was cautious but not paranoid. You think they are watching us in a hotel lobby or in our room. But he didn't move

when we was in our room. Jamal unblug the TV. This is what is the highest conscience for him about buying or watching or something. Once I remember he was trying to understood Ober in my Abu Bayel in case and in our house in Virginia, and he's Monzer and I need to go around for my shopping or something. He tried to install Uber and he was going to put his credit card number. Then he deleted and I said why deluted German. He said, no, if they gets the food from you in Dubai, Hanan, they can get

get into my account. Hanan did not know what to do after Kashogi was murdered, and occasionally Amaradi intelligence officers would come by and ask questions. And then Jamal's killed and she has nowhere to go. She's trying for her life. She can't live in the UAE anymore. So she comes to the United States to talk to her lawyer, and her lawyers just stay here and we'll apply for political asylum.

And so she is literally a forgotten woman. Here's this woman that has potentially so much evidence to share in her devices about Jamal's travels and who might have been tracking them, and who might have been complicit with the Saudis, and trying to figure out, you know, what his travel plans were, what his other plans were, what he was thinking of doing, and nobody had ever contacted her. So I took her devices to a second group that does a lot of forensics, Citizen Lab. So we worked with Bill.

I'm Bill Marzac, a senior research fellow at the University of Toronto's Citizen Lab. I study government surveillance basically trying to determine which governments are hacking activists, dissidents, civil society, and trying to defend civil society against this hacking. Bill Marzac is one of the first people to discover Pegasus. He would need to look at Hanan's phone who in Idin approached from post They asking me to corporate the ex plan to me say needs my devices. I did

hand it over. Bill has experienced reverse engineering Pegasus and knew exactly what to look for examining Hanan's phone. That's pretty much the only thing you can do when you get a sample of something that might be interesting spyware is you have to run it yourself and see what happens. And I was monitoring the phone's Internet traffic, so I was seeing everything that came into the phone that left

the phone. When I was monitoring the Internet traffic, a bunch of weird traffic going to the spiral website like it was downloading stuff. It was uploading stuff, And that was sort of the first key that oh, wow, so far he's closed, but this connectivity is still happening and it's sending information back. Pegasus can bypass any encryption because it uses a loophole in a phone software to be an incognito but active parasite. When Pegasus is on a phone,

bill can see the evidence of it right away. You can turn on the microphone to snoop in on conversations happening around the device. You can take pictures through the webcam. You can get passwords, you can get WhatsApp messages, you can get signal messages, you can record calls, you can track GPS, you can do other things with the phone sensors.

It was full access to the phone, and there was something else they knew from the types of text messages she'd been sent, which had already been identified as Pegasus bait, that they had tried to target her several times. So why did the Emeraldi intelligence officers detain Hanan a ladder and question her overnight. It turns out they had been trying to trick Hanan into downloading Pegasus herself. She had received random texts in the months prior to her detention,

but she never clicked on the links. The bait to get Hanan to infect her phone in two thousand and eight, team were things like you have a package downtown and this address, click here and tell us that you want us to send it to you. There was a message from her sister saying, oh, here's a photo. Click this to see the photo. And then there was one saying you have a bouquet of flowers waiting for you. Click

this and we will get them to you. Then Dana Priest had to tell hann the truth that she had spywear on her phone, and that she'd had it since April twenty eighteen, since the day she had been detained. When I recall the moment, this habn't I shook, and I feel like my life was in a screen affronto of zim. I'm talking about the people who misuse this technology, that be able who hummed my husband and hummed Gni.

The Amaradi intelligence officials had full access to Hanan's phone every part of her life for five months before Koshogi was killed. No matter the steps Hanan had taken, the codes she had used, or the length she had gone to protect Koshogi, they could still watch her and they did. I was feeling very bad, and I was still feeling very bad. Hanan is still trying to get Kashogi's devices

from the Turkish authorities. In addition to Hanana Lader. Others close to Jamal Kashogi have also discovered Pegasus on their phones. Every detail of their digital footprint was surveiled, including Kashogi's Turkish fiance hangs I Blamed myself a lot, and Kashogi's close friend Omar Abdullah Ziz, a fellow outspoken Saudi journalist living in exile in Canada. All of their correspondences were monitored.

The hacken of my phone played a major role. What happened to Jaman that It's On the next episode of Shoot the Messenger, we find out how Omar Abduaziz found out he was being hacked and discovered more than four hundred of his text messages with Jamaka Shogi were compromised. We'll go into how this technology works and how Pegasus was first discovered. On this series, we investigate how Pegasus spyware came to be, what its capabilities are, and ask

how does it implicate ordinary people. Over the next nine episodes will follow the thread of Pegasus to understand how it was intended to be used, how it's abused, and the impact of its surveillance. Pegasus spyware has been a boom for the cyber surveillance industry, and it's impacted the global economy. If you live in the US and have mutual funds or pension, your money could be supporting the

organization that makes Pegasus spyware. You've heard about Jamaalka Shogi, but there are so many others others who have been targeted and hacked, blackmailed or humiliated, who have been hunted and killed. Some of the names you may recognize, like Emmanuel mccron, the president of France, or Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, and then there are stories you haven't heard about. I don't love or felt safe. Do you know if they got the information that they were looking for.

I don't think they were looking for any information. I think it was a form of psychological warfare. I would get a phone call from someone they did you never anyone on the end of the phone. They would try to track my GPS. It don't seem like it's always your favorite people who are being hacked and followed. We have to be way more careful even about things like this. How do I know who you are? It's kind of like the nuclear era before there were nuclear arms treaties.

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