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Windows Weekly 943: Five Paperclips

Jul 30, 20252 hr 48 min
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Ten years ago yesterday, Microsoft released Windows 10, fixing the issues with Windows 8.x and giving Windows 7 users a solid upgrade. One historical curiosity: It was the first Windows release without a major launch event. In other news, Microsoft publishes a Nadella email to the troops about the layoffs, but he never really addresses the layoffs.

Windows 10 turns 10

  • The Bad: Its legacy is mixed, as this is when the enshittification of Windows began, really
  • Windows as a Service
  • Ads, crapware, and telemetry — plus some made-up privacy issues
  • Terry Myerson gaff about one billion users
  • Universal apps/One Windows was a bust, with Windows Phone and HoloLens failures
  • Windows 10's launch was a missed opportunity to make the Store matter
  • The Good: Windows Subsystem for Linux was huge
  • WinGet was also huge, but is underappreciated and underutilized to this day
  • It did reverse the mistakes of Windows 8, and in time it got more stable as Microsoft figured out WaaS (and then went on to abuse it)
  • Oh, and the Windows 10 Field Guide is free to celebrate the anniversary

Windows 11

  • Microsoft is using Rust for Surface drivers, and it wants all Windows drivers to switch to Rust too
  • The Link to Windows app is getting a nice upgrade on Android
  • Dev (25H2) and Beta (24H2): Settings agent for x86, SCOOBE changes, Click to Do improvements, Windows Search improvements
  • Canary: Just a couple of bug fixes (Actually, two builds, one today also with no features)
  • Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects, Audition, and Media Encoder are Now Native on Windows 11 on Arm in beta
  • Opera files antitrust case against Microsoft in Brazil for Windows 11/Edge behaviors
  • Another app blocking Recall in a slow-drop of negative Recall-related AI privacy news for Microsoft.
  • Rant: More importantly, Recall is boring and not useful given the hype around it.
  • Intel earnings are flat, but more layoffs are on the way
  • Lenovo rollable laptop in action! (ThinkBook Plus Gen 6)
  • Lenovo makes a lot of weird laptops now (like the dual-screen Yoga Book 9i Paul reviewed last year) — apparently they didn't get the message after Microsoft cancelled the Surface Neo and Windows 10X.
  • Does the average modern Windows laptop really need a touchscreen? Is this a relic of the Windows 8 era?

AI & Microsoft 365

  • Perplexity Comet is real and it shows the way forward for AI web browsers
  • Coincidentally, Microsoft suddenly launches Copilot mode for Microsoft Edge. (But I've played with Copilot Mode, and it's no Comet or Dia.)
  • Copilot is getting real-time expressions. It's the return of Clippy!
  • Microsoft's long-term Copilot plans are a lot wilder than you might expect
  • Google earned $96.4 billion in one quarter. This shows that it has not been impacted by other AIs yet

Xbox & gaming

  • Xbox is coming to Gamerscom in Germany in August, and it's bringing the ROG Xbox Ally handhelds
  • The July Xbox Update is here and it's all about the PC
  • Paul reviewed the Lenovo Legion Go S, and the Windows experience was so bad. Also, PC OEMs are having trouble competing with the Steam Deck's pricing on gaming handhelds.

Tips & picks

  • Tips of the week: Chris and Paul are partnering on his new newsletter
  • App pick of the week: Perplexity Pro
  • Beer pick of the week: Alesong Rhino Suit

These show notes have been truncated due to length. For the full show notes, visit https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly/episodes/943

Hosts: Leo Laporte and Paul Thurrott

Guest: Chris Hoffman

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Windows 10 at 10: A Decade of Innovation & Controversy Primary Navigation Podcasts Club Blog Subscribe Sponsors More… Tech Windows 10 at 10: A Decade of Innovation & Controversy

Aug 5th 2025

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Ten years ago last week, Microsoft released Windows 10 to the world with grand promises of being "the last version of Windows" and delivering "Windows as a Service." As the operating system reaches its 10th anniversary, the hosts of Windows Weekly took a deep dive into what turned out to be one of Microsoft's most complex and controversial releases.

The Promise vs. Reality of "Windows as a Service"

Paul Thurrott was quick to dispel one of the most persistent myths about Windows 10: that Microsoft officially called it "the last version of Windows." As he explained, this was actually a comment from a single Microsoft employee who "shouldn't have said that" and wasn't a brand decision maker. However, the confusion was understandable given Microsoft's revolutionary approach to updates.

"Windows 10 was releasing a major new version every six months, which was unprecedented," Thurrott noted. The idea was to transform Windows into a service-like platform with continuous updates, rather than the traditional model of releasing major versions every 3-10 years.

Chris Hoffman, filling in as guest host, remembered the rocky early days: "The first big Windows 10 update actually uninstalled some programs on people's computers because they weren't supported. It's Monday morning, I have to work, and you just uninstalled my hardware driver."

The Good: Innovations That Stuck

Despite the early turbulence, Windows 10 brought several genuinely transformative features that we now take for granted:

Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL): Hoffman highlighted this as "huge" for the developer community. "We could have a whole comedy thing about what Microsoft used to say about Linux - the property cancer that's attached itself to Windows," he joked, referencing Microsoft's dramatically changed stance on open source.

Winget Package Manager: Both hosts praised Windows Package Manager (Winget) as an under-appreciated gem. Thurrott uses it extensively when reviewing laptops, describing it as "awesome just to have for blasting a bunch of apps on it automatically."

Improved Update Mechanism: While the journey was bumpy, Microsoft eventually achieved their goal of seamless, faster updates. As Thurrott put it, "It's death by a thousand cuts instead of getting hit by a brick."

The Controversial Stuff

However, Windows 10's anniversary also highlighted its more problematic aspects:

Advertising Creep: Thurrott pointed out that while Windows 8 was the first to ship with ads (limited to bundled modern apps), "Windows 10 brought that out to the file system, to the operating system itself." His prediction about this being a "slippery slope" proved accurate.

Forced Telemetry: The introduction of mandatory data collection raised privacy concerns, though Thurrott noted many were "kind of made up, frankly."

The App Platform Struggles: The Universal Windows Platform (UWP) never achieved its cross-device vision, partly due to the failure of Windows Phone and the complexity of supporting multiple form factors.

Touch Screens: A Solution Looking for a Problem?

An interesting tangent emerged around touch screens on laptops - a direct legacy of Windows 10's tablet-first design philosophy. Thurrott admitted his perspective has evolved: "When this started happening, I used to say 'if you don't like it, just don't use it.' Since then I can't stand touchscreens. I would give anything not to have a touchscreen on every laptop I own."

Hoffman offered a balanced take: "The touchpads have gotten better now. When I had a Windows 8, 10 PC and it didn't have a precision touchpad and it was horrible... I used the screen to scroll because I could not be using that touchpad."

Windows 11 and the Hardware Requirements Debate

The conversation inevitably turned to Windows 11's controversial hardware requirements, particularly the TPM 2.0 mandate. Hoffman argued this creates artificial obsolescence: "A lot of computers that could run Windows 11 fine aren't getting offered the update officially."

Thurrott, while acknowledging the e-waste concerns, took a pragmatic stance: "The people complaining about this are the same enthusiasts who are, by nature, into the latest thing... You are technical enough to know how to get by the restrictions in Windows 11 and can run Windows 11 on that computer just fine anyway."

The hosts noted the irony that many of these complainers could easily install Linux on their older hardware but choose not to, undermining their own arguments about sustainability.

The Current Copilot+ Confusion

The discussion touched on Microsoft's current AI push with Copilot+ PCs, which both hosts found poorly executed from a messaging standpoint. Hoffman was particularly critical: "It's like Recall... everyone wants, everyone loves... The worst thing about Recall is how boring it is."

The complexity of Microsoft's AI feature matrix - spanning Copilot+ PCs, Copilot Pro subscriptions, and built-in features - exemplified what Thurrott called a "unique Microsoft problem" of over-segmentation.

A Complicated Legacy

As Windows 10 approaches its end-of-support date in October 2025, its legacy remains complex. It successfully rescued Microsoft from the Windows 8 disaster and introduced genuinely useful innovations. However, it also marked the beginning of advertising in the OS, mandatory telemetry, and the commoditization of personal computing.

Perhaps most tellingly, despite all the criticism, Windows 10 achieved something remarkable: it lasted exactly 10 years, matching the traditional Windows lifecycle that Microsoft originally claimed to be abandoning.

As Thurrott concluded: "I don't know what to say about these 10 years of Windows 10... The user interface was clearly designed to match what was on the phone... It made tons of sense on a phone, still would today. It made no sense for Windows."

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