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conversation. I'm Tara Thurber, Director of Talent Innovation. And joining me today today to discuss her Top5 tips to well being is Allison Arden, the founder and creator of Elements of Us. Hey, Alison, how are you today?
I'm fine. How are you, Tara?
Good. Thank you. Alison is the founder and creator of Elements of Us, a research base visual framework and toolset to simplify the subject of emotion. Prior to launching the elements of us, Allison served as vice president and publisher of Advertising Age, leading the brand through the most disruptive and inventive decade in its history. Allison is also author of the book of doing everyday activities to unlock creativity, joy, and a member of the AAF
Hall of achievement. She is also currently working towards her master's in psychology at the Harvard Extension School, graduating in May 2022. Welcome again, so excited to have you on today, Allison!
Oh delighted to be here Tara.
So I guess let's just kind of do a little dive in. I'm so curious to learn a little bit more about what Elements Of Us is and where where did the idea come from? Sure.There, every if you look back on your life, you can kind of connect the dots and understand where you how you got to where you where you got to. But I think I think the biggest inspiration for for the elements of us was when I was the publisher of Advertising Age. And it was truly in a really difficult time for the brand.
But a really difficult time in life. It was 2008 2009, the market had collapsed. So many people were struggling, you know, we were struggling as a brand. We saw so many people losing their jobs, companies were losing their business models. And there was just so
much disruption. And what I realized in that time for myself, and for you know, for everything I was seeing I was in a very unique position being kind of in the center of this industry that was going through such change was that underlying all of the kind of the success and the challenges where people
were feeling really afraid. And there was this big emotional piece to it, that when you were able to talk about it, when you're able to identify it, when you were able to kind of overcome and navigate through it. That's when people were doing okay, that's when companies were able to kind of evolve beyond where they were. But when they were holding themselves back in this place of fear, or unable to kind of get
beyond this moment. It prevented them from really moving forward and really stymied their growth in their success. And what I realized is, it's all about emotion. And the the insight that drove what I've ultimately created and wound up doing was that emotion is invisible. And because it's invisible, it's really difficult to talk about because people are either embarrassed or they feel like they're alone. And you know, so so many things. Yeah.
So I created a visual framework called the elements of us that really helps make the subject of emotion, more tangible, and more actionable and more kind of mentionable because suddenly, it's not about this thing that feels invisible, like nobody understand. It's just about who we are. And the reason I've done it, the way I've done it is so that it can be real, it's it's very relatable, and, and as natural as the elements of the earth. So it's really just helping cultivate those
conversations. And also helping people get beyond places of fear and anxiety and stress to create strategies to get to a place of greater well being, and deeper connections with other people.
I love that Allison and I think that was something that really hit me when I first listened to speak is the fact that um, you can't like see emotions or touch emotions or have anything tangible when you think about what an emotion is. And you know, it's just simply amazing the way that you've brought it to us and in a way that I mean, we know what the different elements are and the fact that it is just so real and so natural because emotions are natural. It's what lives within
us every single day. How would you say, you know, let's talk about how this past year has been. I mean, I know 2008 2009 was was tough, and just this past year with COVID, and people and emotions, you know, how are you seeing this kind of translate for individuals now.
I think this year has really brought to bear how important it is to have this conversations around emotion, right to make people feel they're, they're not alone. Yeah, and probably people have, many people have experienced emotions that they have never
expected to feel before. And it is sometimes hard to talk about, because there's a very big difference between, you know, I think of when you're talking about mental health, I think on a spectrum, there's health, and then there's illness just like there is with our physical
being. And so how we, there's, you know, if somebody has mental,health challenges, they, they should see a doctor, they should open that conversation, there are medicines that if you, you know, if you need them, you you should take them under the guidance of your doctor. Mental Health also improves with certain behaviors, and be able to talk about them and, and work through them. So all of those pieces are part of that of the kind of that mental wellness
process. And I think people have really started to understand that this year, and open those conversations. So it's really what I've seen is that, you know, it's real, and, and we really need to just be working through it on our own taking the steps, we need to protect our own mental health, but also
working through it together. The other piece that's happening this year, they that we that happened last year, and is continuing to happen that we can't ignore is just the the social unrest and the feelings of disconnection and real issue in our society. And in terms of how we respect each other as human beings and how we come to
a better place. So, so the other thing I've seen, is the where, and I love in the work that I'm doing is being able to help people see each other as human beings find that common ground, so that we can understand that we all have, in some ways, similar experiences in some way different experiences, but we all are human beings at the end of the day, and in learning more about each other and seeing each other just as people, we can embrace each other's commonalities, and also begin to
learn about and embrace each other and embrace each other's differences as well.
Which, you know, that's something that I'm finding to be a really booming in the workplace. Because it's not just a place you know, a place to eat, go to anywhere, I mean, a lot of people aren't even going to work, going to an office, so to speak. So, really getting, you know, and I'm seeing this from management all the way down, where people need to learn more about one another on an emotional level, so that we can figure out ways to
communicate better. But also, the importance, you know, the psychological safety and well being of all employees, is becoming so much more important now. Because individuals, you know, in order to perform their tasks, or in order to perform at a high level to show up at 100%, everybody needs to make sure that we can understand and we can be open and share with one
another. So that, you know, maybe somebody is struggling on a project, but it might not be because of their skills, it might be because of their emotions and things that are happening internally. So I'm finding that, you know, when companies when people can be more open with their emotions, it's really opening up the doors to better communication internally with teams better communication externally. Are you finding that when you're talking to other companies or people in general?
Sure, I think this the psychological piece, psychological safety piece has always been there. It became a very big conversation a number of years ago, I believe in 2016. Google did a study that's called Project Aristotle, and project Aristotle did a survey of I believe it was 185 teams, 86 teams. So they studied a lot of teams.
Right, right.
What they found was that the common thread and the really key driver in creating psychological safety that led to successful team dynamics. The key driver was psychological safety is the teams that were able to show up for each other in a real way. Be honest about the work support each other's ideas, but also be honest, when things weren't
going so great. And, you know, that is both at home with your emotions, like, you know, challenges with my daughter or my mom, God forbid, is in the hospital or, you know, there's that piece of it. But there's also what are the challenges that are present internally, inside an organization that are preventing us from getting our work done, and creating an environment where those conversations are okay? And people aren't defensive or judged, it's all about getting
to the best work. That's creating an environment where we can have open dialogue and honest discourse, all to get to a better place. And that, you know, I when I used to have my leadership meetings, I would ask the question, it's not like nothing is everything, okay? It's like, what was your? Oh, we'll call it since you know, it might be family viewing, oh, crap on the week. And every I challenge everybody not even
challenge them. Once I asked the question they were able to cut, you know, it flowed, but told him, you know, what's the obstacle that's holding you back from getting to what you're
doing? What's that frustration that giving you the biggest issue, because in talking about it, suddenly, it's like, oh, wait a second, we could totally figure that out, Mary in accounting is going to make that go away in a second, or whatever that is, but remembering that if you give voice to it, you don't have to sit with it, you don't
have to worry about it. And you know, some mistakes happen to right, you know, I did this, it didn't go the way I wanted to, we have to learn to embrace those challenges all to get to a better place we need to learn, we're living in a changing world. And it's always been a changing world invention happens all the time, I love the Thomas Edison quote of I haven't failed, I simply found 10,000 ways of not of how not to do it. I love it. We don't do it, right. And we don't think that way. But it's
true. Because the things, the things that are really worth doing take time, and then we're going to fail if we're going to create, create something new and next.
And I love that and I love that you brought in, you know, the oh crap moments, that opens up the doors to really help people see, to get away from their fear of sharing the emotion, because when you can open that with your team or open it with others. You know, it's it's getting rid of that layer of, like you had said, you know, somebody is gonna judge me or a fear of, maybe they're showing up in and not doing
their job. So by being able to explore that, with leadership, I feel is even more important nowadays to because there's not that in person, energetic connection that you can feel where if you're, if you have this, this moment where you're struggling, more often than not, you can sense it. But a lot of people doing remote work, remote everything. Now, sometimes people put on a good mask, and then it gets to a point where maybe something blows up even
bigger. And it's even worse than it was where somebody could have it could have been nipped in the bud earlier.
Sure. I mean, leadership ultimately is about helping you taking care of your team so that they could do the best work so that you can work together and dropping that pretense and learning how to ask the right questions, right. So that people do feel comfortable answering you know, it's no different than being a parent. If you ask yes or no questions or or questions that can get get the one word answer, you're
gonna just check the box. But if you ask the deeper question, and you ask, you know, what, what is, you know, how, what is going on with that project? What is going on with your, with your daughter these days? You know, what are you finding working from home? How can I make it easier for you to that you can show up and do your best
work? You know, I remember years ago, right after I had my son, I was doing a job that was all about business development and creating the new, great big idea that in a very difficult time it was 2001 2002 was going to bring in the money that the company really needed, your eyes survive. And I had a boss who, you know, was supportive of working parents, but didn't didn't believe in any flexible
work schedules. And I finally went to her and I said, I need you to understand I don't have time to go on my run anymore, because of everything I'm juggling. And when I don't get to go on my run, my running is when I do my creative thinking and I work through the issues. It's amazing. When once I've hit like, what, four or five miles suddenly,
Yeah.
I come in with the best ideas. Do you remember when I came back to you? That's only happened because of my run?
Yeah.
So suddenly, it was fine for me to come in at 1030 because she knew that I was out running and do and doing my best work for her. So, you know, oftentimes we start having that conversation and it's like, but I, you know, I, I have this situation, I have that situation. We all you know, everybody has that we ultimately do need to get the work done.
But we need to think about and as leaders, we need to think about how can I help my people get the work done in the best way possible, and that's going to look different for every person.
So how, how would you inspire top management to start considering this and opening up the doors to, you know, be able to ask these questions or be able to create this relationship with their employees,
It's, you know, starts with communication is key. And if you haven't been in the situation before, and this hasn't been your culture, you weren't with, you know, owning up to that this hasn't been our culture, and a lot has changed in the past year. And we know, it's important for us to get to that place. And we are committed to doing it. And it's not always going to be perfect, we're going to make missteps. But we're going to get to that better
place. And then open up that conversation viewers now just like we were talking about, but also start setting boundaries, because we've been working from home a lot, and a lot, a lot more, and it's going to change, you know, I say the recovery is going to be very uneven. I don't just mean financially and for businesses, for people able to expect what we want to kind of, well, how quickly we're able to kind of get back up and running for a whole host of different
reasons. But make sure like, people are on zoom calls all day, every day, I would you know, yes. You realize, like, if you have back to back zoom calls, you need to go to the bathroom, you need to go for a walk outside and feel air, you
need to go grab a snack. So you need to make sure that you're taking into account, you know, at work where it's like the you know, time walking between the meetings, you have those 15 minutes, we need to bake that into the day, we need to make sure people are shutting down at night, and shutting down over the weekend. And that starts with leadership, not sending emails over the weekend. Or if they must, must, must, please don't look at this until Monday.
But if it's you know, there's, you can totally manage email where it won't appear until Monday morning, right. So like, this is not stopped those bad habits that might be disrupting other people's downtime. You know, I have, a colleague who call us who creates focus Fridays, and she doesn't know, no zoom meetings on Fridays, or no team meetings on Fridays, right? Like whatever that looks
like. But it gives people a time, a moment to catch up, it's not that they're looking for a long weekend, it's that they're taking care of a few of those things that are going to make them better and catching up on, you know, following up so that it doesn't carry over into next week or into the weekend, whatever that looks like. But start setting those parameters and boundaries and start
building better habits. And you know, that's the work I do is around creating strategies and better habits to get people to a better place for themselves. And as teams and as communities.
I need some more strategy Allison because I need those boundaries. It's been a crazy world. And, you know, you're sorry, everybody has their own story in their own situations in their own ways of changing too. And I've experienced it and I know so many people that I've been speaking to, whether they're looking for work or whether they're working and it's it's the boundaries that I have found to be the hardest to set.
Because you know, you're you're chasing after it, you're constantly chasing after it and you're working with different team members. But, I've found that by setting starting to set some boundaries, there's a little bit more of some breathing room. And it's not just for me, but it's for everybody else too.
Oh, like it's the work you do to take care of yourself like is it makes you better for yourself and makes you better for everyone around
you. And so, if you are, you know, looking for a job or feeling that burnout or whatever that is continually understanding what inspires you what can get you kind of into that place of flow, what can get you out and it's hard sometimes, but like if you know turn up the music and dance, watch a funny show, start painting, go for the run, go out with friends like don't just stay inside but do whatever it is that lights you up and it's really important to know what lights you up if you
don't know what lights you up, start figuring that out. Yeah, it's it's so important to re energize and kind of reboot the spirit.
That's amazing. And you know, I kind of want to dig into your top five tips because I feel like this is a good segue in just building your well being?
Sure.
Okay, great.
So you want me to give you my top five?
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, this was a hard exercise. Because there's, there's, there's a lot, right. I tried to encapsulate them. So my top five, build a self care regimen. And a self care regimen is making sure you're taking care of yourself, right? If you are having a hard time sleeping at night, explore why that might be. And yes, I'm sure everybody
has locked on their mind. But shut down an hour before bed, shut off the electronics, charge the phone, in another room, stop looking at social media, maybe shut off, shut off all screens. They say really better to helping you decompress, read a book, it has been shown to be relaxing, learn to meditate, learn to meditate without a device.
Yes.
You can meditate without an app, it is truly possible. And these and when I meditate, and I learned how to meditate without an app, I have so much of a deeper sleep, because it just takes you into a different place. So these are things that I know some people might listen and say, meditation, everyone talks about meditation, I can't meditate, I
can't shut off my brain. It don't worry about shutting off your brain, it's okay to pay it to acknowledge the thoughts that are going through your brain, it allows you to process them. So that's just one example. But pay attention to, what it is that creates a place of self care for you. You know, it might be in the food you're eating it might be there's so many pieces to it. But make sure you're taking that
time. And last weekend, I sat down on my couch just for 20 minutes, I lit a candle, I have a tea that smells so good. It is from William Sonoma, they only sell it during Thanksgiving. I buy them out of the store. Because it smells so good. And so it's like this, it cost nothing, right? It's the candle. It's the tea, it's me on my couch. And it is just a little bit of moment. It's a moment of self care is just giving myself so give yourself that grace, I think that's really super
important. But everybody's self care regimen is going to be different and figure out what works for you. Discover your passion and discover your passion is is a hard one. Because people say like, what do you love doing? Oh, I don't know. Right? start
paying attention. Right? start paying attention to the things that make you happy the things that bring you joy, the things that you're interested in, and you will start to like it, it's okay, if it feels not like that big and not that purpose driven or not. But figure out what that is so that you can do more of it. And when I went through, you know, when I in 2008 2009, I wound up writing the book, the book of doing And it started with me simply asking myself the
Yeah. question, the few questions. What was I doing out of obligation? What was I doing? Because it truly made me happy? And what would I do if if I only thought it was possible? And I started breaking down my own barriers that led me to really stepping out of myself and who I am. That's not me. So the third? Is it kind of in line with that? Become curious. So become curious about the things that light you up, become curious about the people in your life
become curious about? about anybody that you're talking to ask those questions, ask them deeper questions. You know, we live amongst people, and we don't even know their experience. So learn about people's experience, start opening those dialogues, because that creates more of a human connection, that is going to give you a deeper way of connecting with other people. And that creates everybody's craving connection. But real connection, not just that, like, Oh, hi, how you doing fine, Right?
Tell me about the time Tell me about a time that you know, fill in the blank here and just learn to kind of get to know each each other a little bit better. And the next one is assume positive intent. Right? Assume positive intent is often and this can especially happen when we've all been working at home and we've all been isolated. You don't know what's happening with people and everybody's going, you know, a million miles a minute. Just just assume that nobody is coming from a place of
negativity or anger. And if you feel that you can be honest about that. You know, when you do this, it makes me feel like this. So I would I wish you wouldn't do that. Or if you feel like somebody is coming from his own negativity, is everything okay? I'm sensing that things
aren't Right. Right. So if you start turning that and a start just assuming that everybody is you know, you don't know how somebody is entering a room, figure out you know, as soon positivity and find the empathy and realize that we in every moment we have a place a way of coming together. And then the last one is create rituals that ground you. And that is finding those creating those moments of joy. You know, for some people, it's lighting candles on Friday night. For some people, it's
taking that bubble bath. For some people, it's celebrating a holiday, whether it's a religious holiday, or a made up holiday, or whatever that looks like, create rituals that ground you and keep you connected to people in your life who you love, that will help you in so many ways, and refresh you and rejuvenate you so that you can remember version to the world in effect place.
I love all those tips. And I feel as their individual tips they all really intertwine in together and, you know, all these are so important to utilize as an individual, but to share with others and to try and you know, be able to come from that place of empathy and, and, you know, become and take
care of yourself. And then I find I mean, these five tips, it's something I want to infuse with my children, because it's something to just help them be better at who they want to be, and really be able to explore.
Yeah, totally, I have a, I have a yoga teacher who always said this wonderful thing. And it's, it's a just a lovely sentiment and not I've tried to trace the origins, but I have had a hard time, if your compassion does not include yourself, it is not complete. And so to your point, it's like it all, it all starts with us and make you pay attention to the voice in your head.
Sometimes, sometimes we don't want
Well but that's just it. Okay, attention to the voice in your head. If you would never speak to somebody, oftentimes you will find, you would never say the things you say to yourself to other people. And so stop it. And, you know, I say this when my daughter, let's write it down, let's write down let's actually see in paper, the things that we're telling ourselves. And sometimes it's, you know, Oh, don't do that. Oh, that was stupid. I hate that
word. Oh, that was like, What are those things that you're telling yourself and just stop that negative self talk, and start allowing yourself to get out of those places of negativity, of getting out of those places of perfectionism. Allow yourself to live more freely, and you will feel better about who you are and how you're showing up. And other people will as well.
That's amazing. And I think you're so it, you're hitting it right on the head. And it's, you know, it starts with you. And then it can spiderweb out. And that's, that's where you're able to really build by starting with you, you're able to build that foundation and, work through emotions, and be able to show up and be vulnerable.
For sure. And, you know, it all sounds so serious, but it's not. Yeah, it's, but make sure that you know, the foundation of self care is super important, because you need to, you know, we're only as good as how we're
feeling. And so we have to make sure that, you know, like I've said self care has to do with how you're the activities you're doing to take care of yourself, but how you're thinking, and how you're kind of laying down these rituals that allow yourself to feel grounded and stable, so that you can go out into the world in a different way. But you know, it's been a very, very
heavy time. And we need to look for the joy, find the humor, find ways of laughing and having fun, because because we it just makes everything a little bit lighter and brighter.
I love it. And that and it makes us It makes us who we are, you know I it and you're right makes it lighter and brighter and and no matter what we can always I am finding so much of there's so much of a silver lining, that kind of comes through the darkness, so to speak. And you know, when we can look at that, too, I feel that that again, brings us to the happy times or brings us to the positive aspects of it all. So really, really love all of
this awesome work. Where can people find the Elements Ff Us? Where can people kind of be able to dig in and learn a little bit more of what you're doing?
Sure. Thanks for asking. And so there's, you know, good elementsofus.com. You can learn more about the work that I do. talks and workshops. I also have a podcast there called the elements of us with Alison Arden and what I do there because it really is about openness, showing that everybody goes through challenging times and sharing ideas and sharing ways to help people navigate
out. I do interviews with as entrepreneurs, executives, experts, and all kinds of amazing people, and we tell the stories through the elements every bit, we choose five elements to your top five. So one one is always a gray, which are the stressor elements. And because, you know, we all have them, and it's really important through all of us that we understand that nobody's life is perfect. Everybody has, has good times and bad times. And, and together, we will, you know, find a better place. You
mentioned silver linings. And I think people have gone through really difficult times, and we have to find the silver lions will be in a better place. But my grandfather who lived through a very difficult time losing his whole family in the war, and you know, all of these terrible things he always used to say, and it was my favorite expression, after rain come
sunshine. And this positive spirit and believing that there are bright times ahead, is the way of really having a positive outlook on, what is yet to come. And continuing to motivate yourself to take those steps to continue to move towards that light. So that so so that we can all kind of get, you get to a better place. But it's really important that we get to a better place together.
I've got tears in my eyes and goosebumps. So thank you.
In virtual hugs to you.
Yeah, thank you so much. Awesome. Well, and I will make sure that we post you know, your website and everything about you and I want to share your podcast with our audience, too. And everything that you do I want to share I really found a true connection with what you're doing, and really excited that you took time out of your busy schedule to be on our podcast today.
Well, thank you so much. I you know, it was only a month ago that that we met. And that was one of the first times I brought out the talk that I've been doing and it meant so much that it touched so many. And so I'm beyond delighted to have done this with you and so happy that you ask. Thank you.
All right, awesome, Allison.
So nice to be with you, Tara.
Nice to be with you too. And I hope you enjoy the rest of your day today. And we'll be in touch. I want to hear more about what you're doing and, you know, share whatever I can with our team and our audience as well. Okay,
Terrific. Let's keep doing it.
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