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our next conversation. I'm Tara Thurber, Director of Talent Innovation. And joining me today to discuss their top five tips for successful creative startups are Jenny Vickers Chyb and Jen Chavez tribe. Hi, ladies. How are you today?
Hey!
Hi. I'm doing good. I'm Jenny Vickers Chyb by the way. It's a polish last name.The Chyb is silent.
Sorry!
No, nobody knows that. So I just have to say, yeah.
You know, Jenny, I thank you for clarifying that. Because I think the entire life that I've known you, I've been pronouncing your last name wrong or incorrectly I should say so sorry about that. So ladies, thank you so much for taking time out of your busy days today. I just want to do a brief intro for the two of you and then we'll hop right into this.
Jenny Vickers Chyb is the founder of Asbury Park Bazaar, a curated seasonal marketplace featuring handcrafted and vintage goods made by local and regional makers, designers, and artists. Jenny is passionate about protecting our environment and believes shopping small and supporting local businesses is not only good for the local economy but our planet as well.
She also helps lead communications for environmental nonprofit organizations, sorry Clean Water Action, focused on clean water, healthy communities climate change, and environmental justice issues. She has an MA in international studies from East Carolina University is a published freelance writer and loves to do yoga, travel, play music, and go on adventures with her husband,
daughter, and puppy Edith. Jenny Chavez is the founder of babes in business, a startup that holds large networking events for babes in business to connect and grow their companies, brands, and products. Their meetups are for anyone at any stage in business. Their events attract hundreds of babes in business and are held all over the East Coast of the United States. Babes in business was created to bring strong and
inspired women together. They're here to create a community of women hustling toward their dreams and goals. Whether your business has been successful for years or an idea has yet to come to fruition. This is the place for you. Everyone is welcome. Their sole purpose is that they influence connect and grow together to achieve their goals. Both of these women also just launched Makers and Shakers, which we'll get into throughout this podcast. Ladies, again,
welcome to Top5. Excited to learn about how the two of you developed and dove into who you are today and what the outcomes have been so far. How did you develop the initial concept? I guess maybe we'll start with Jenny. How did you develop the initial concept for Asbury Park Bazaar?
Yeah, um, so it back in 2013, I was a maker myself, I sold handcrafted accessories made by hand like crocheted hats, knitted scarves. And I had a company called woven that I ran with my mom and I did pop-up marketplaces in the area at the time. I grew up in Germany and I grew up going to the German, big German Christmas markets. And if you're familiar with those, and I just have this like fond memory of like, going to the marketplace with my
family. And honestly, the concept happened the first time I stepped into the magical convention hall in Asbury Park, it is the most beautiful building and I just had almost the chills like when I walked in, and I looked around and I just, I love that building and fell in love with it. And my husband was working at the boardwalk at the time, and they were trying to think of creative ways to activate the space down there at the boardwalk. He's
lived here for a long time. So you know, as Gary's changed a lot.
Definitely.
So yeah, we were thinking of space activation ideas. And the manager at the time, James Douglas, Joe, and I were just chatting about ideas. And one of the ideas was a bazaar arketplace. So we did it. We ad literally had 30 of my riends who were also makers at he time, just pop up on tables, nd it was small. There weren't lot of people but we did it. nd then we decided to host a hristmas market because, as I aid, I've always wanted to ring that feeling of what I had s a child. shopping in Germany
t the markets here. And so it ust grew from there. And so ince 2013, we've grown from two vents to almost 20 events that onvention hall until the andemic hit. So that's how we ot our start.
That's amazing. And I visited that bazaar many times. Absolutely love it in your right, it is a magical place. It's really something, there's so much energy that comes into that place, especially when you have the bazaar, you know, having all of the difference just all the different types of things that you can buy the different types of people and you know, the live
music, there's also. Yeah, I've been there when there's been live music and it's really what you've produced and successfully produced and continue to keep doing it's it's really something that is amazing for locals and people that are out of town to come down and take a visit.
Yes, it's a magical place. And you're right, the community really comes together. And it's like the best place to just hang out, drink, listen to music, and shop.
When you were designing this experience or coming together with it, what was one of your main goals?
Um, really to bring together the creatives the in the area Asbury Park, I'm a musician and I'm also a maker myself. So literally, I had friends who sold vintage I'd friends who made handcrafted jewelry. I had friends who created home goods. So like, I just looked around, and I saw so many creative and talented people. There are so many artists in the area, there are painters and photographers and Asbury Park is just a mecca for creativity. So
Yeah.
I just really wanted to, like, celebrate that, honestly, that was the goal, just a celebration, bring people together, create a really cool community and, you know, help grow businesses too. I mean, small businesses need places they can grow and thrive. So like help businesses out to like, create a space and some have moved on to open up their own stores. So you know, it's been really inspiring to watch. That's phenomenal.
Phenomenal. Jen, let's talk about Babes in Business, how did you develop the initial concept for Babe in Business?
Um, it was actually by accident, which I think the way that's the way a lot of businesses are started, I was networking for my own company. And I did not like any of the networking events that I was going to which I'm sure lots of people listening and yourself can relate to, we've all gone to that early morning 7 am table shop, there's one of every, there's a realtor, there's an insurance broker, and you know, your stand up and you give your spiel, and it's just so wildly boring.
Yeah.
I went to a few of those. And I just really wanted my business. My other company is website and branding. I just really wanted to take off and be successful. So I was going to all these events, and I was like there has to be something else. And so that's kind of how Babes in Business was born. Out of an out of necessity, you know?
Yeah, definitely, definitely. And then, what was your main goal in pulling Babes in Business together? When you know, when you first thought about this? What kind of experience did you want people to have attending a Babes in Business event?
I wanted them to just be like, overwhelmed with everything going on. I mean, I can relate it to, you know what Jenny's creating, which is why I think that we work so well together. And even further back to my I spent 13 years bartending and just sitting there being around all of these creative people, especially women and thinking, wow, there's so many of us were so talented, and I don't want to be in the service industry for the rest of
my life. There has to be something better and going to the city and going to create and cultivate and thinking this has to be here. The same with Jenny's story where she went to these German markets and is like this has to be here. I want to bring this magical feel. I want everyone to experience this. And so the same for me with Babes in Business. I want people to go to a Babes in Business. I want them to not have a business, just
have an idea. Just be starting or have two companies already and just come and be inspired or inspire other people and just have all of these selfie moments and panels and just I want you to be completely overwhelmed and just not you can't wait until the next one which is the same as the bazaars right yeah, you're just like, one moment after the next one vendor after the next one selfie moment.
After the next you go into the bathroom after bazaar and there are selfie moments, it's just like, and that's why I think the two of us do work so well together, because we're constantly bringing these wow factors.
I love it. And I think to just all the support for individuals that, you know, might be nervous starting their own business, or might not know how to market themselves or brand themselves properly, or not know, okay, I have a business, and I'm just trying to sell it online. You know, getting in person and being able to get out there, meet new people connect and network is
just so important. And I, you know, it can eliminate that underlying stress and worry that some people may feel that they're like, oh, maybe my stuffs not good enough. Or maybe I'm not going to make it. I mean, I talked to so many entrepreneurs and young crafters, young artists that they get stuck, they want to focus on being creative and doing what they're really good at. But then they're they hit a wall. And they're like, I don't know how to put myself out there. I don't know how to raise
money. I don't know how to, you know, connect with other companies. So I think what you two are doing depth and I love the connection in the two of you. Because there's definitely that awesome vibe in so many different ways that make the two of you so powerful together.
Thank you very nice day, I want to comment on what you said before, that everyone feels like their stuff isn't good enough, their products not good enough. Or they can't go to a bazaar they can't go to a BS n business or they can't be on our podcast. So I just want to ay that to everyone who listens o you. Everyone feels that very single person Jenny's felt hat I felt that you felt that
I just got goosebumps. So thank you. I think Go ahead, john. Sorry.
I was gonna say it's something that we all go through as entrepreneurs and business owners, and it's the tribe that you support yourself with, and the people that you support yourself with, and they help you get through that. And they let you know that F yeah, you are good enough, and you need to go to these events and do these things and get yourself out there.
Yeah, I totally agree. I just so you guys know, before every event, I literally have a nightmare that no one's gonna come. I literally think and then I walk in the door and it's busy. And Jen's like, see, don't worry about it. I still worry. And I've been doing this for almost a decade.
Yeah. Well, and I think too, I mean, I get those Gremlins in my head that start to talk to me, like, Who do you think you are, you know, nobody's gonna show up. Nobody wants to listen to this podcast. And then when I do get to speak with other entrepreneurs, we're all in the same boat together. And getting into that same boat together and supporting one another. And, surrounding yourself with people like that.
And being vulnerable, is something that I think everybody needs to kind of just take a deep breath and jump in. Because we are all here to support one another. It's, you know, it's, I don't want it to be a competition, I want it to be something where we, we hold each other up, and we support each other to help each other grow
and move forward. So with this past crazy, let's say 18 months that are now behind us, you know, both you guys, your companies rely heavily on interpersonal connection through COVID. What were some of the most difficult Fallout situations that you guys experienced? And how did you overcome them?
You want me to start or? Um, well, I mean, I it's pretty obvious being a large scale event, that we are that the pandemic affected us greatly because we bring together 1000s and 1000s of people. Yeah, during a pandemic, it's very obvious that our events were shut down. So it's been very tough. We did shift to virtual. And I honestly, I'm very appreciative of Jennifer and Babes in Business for this
very reason. Because I learned so much about online, like promotion of yourself through Babes in Business and Jennifer and like, helping, she really helped us like shift into like a virtual platform. So hosting like a virtual Bazaar, doing more interviews, I GTV interviews of vendors featuring vendors through the downtime and just continuing to go and just shift to virtual and just be present. And not just stopping what you're doing and
disappearing on online. You know, you have to like just keep
going. So we did that. But I think the hardest thing that I experienced and Jennifer probably can attest to this too, about the bazaar is that we did plan an outdoor event to be safe during COVID and we spent months Finding this I mean, once in months, and at the time, the regulations allowed us to do outdoor events, we had social distancing, we had signs with security, we had everything you can imagine to what you'd have to go through to host a safe outdoor event during a pandemic.
And it got shut down a week before launch. So that was a devastating, but you know what, that's what happens when you're in business things happen, you have to like, you have to deal with it and move on, move on. So um, so that was, that was a difficult thing. And at that same time, we were offered an opportunity. And I'll just mention Makers and Shakers in the lead Jennifer chat, but we were offered an opportunity for retail. And at the time, regulations were 25% capacity.
So we thought, No, we can't do events, but we can do retail. So that's where Makers and Shakers, which is a pop up a new pop up store at Pier village Long, Long Branch that just opened, it'll be open through September, Labor Day, Thursday through Sunday, 11am to 6pm. It features the same thing that that was our features just on a smaller scale in a retail setting indoors. makers, artists, designers, collectors, we have anywhere between 10 and 16 popping up
each week. So come visit us. But yeah, we shifted to a retail setting because at the time, we couldn't do events, and we didn't want to just not do anything. And honestly, I got burnt out on the virtual.
Yeah.
So that's why we made that shift. Very difficult, but we're doing it. And we're learning a lot. And it's a challenge. I never thought I'd be doing a retail store. It's very fun. But guys, I need advice. I actually give me advice. Um, so that that's basically the stuff that I experience.
Awesome, I mean, shifting, shifting to online is a huge step for a huge event that you're hosting to then shift something like that to online. And, you know, continuing to connect with your, your people continuing to keep yourself out there. So important, especially during COVID. I mean, I know so many people were locked up and in their house just not going anywhere. So the fact that it actually that's still allowed an outlet for individuals to watch or join or still be able to be a
part of it. Um, that's a huge transition. Very, you know, huge transition. So kudos to you for making that leap and giving it a shot. You know, it's it's definitely I've noticed, a lot of business have transitioned to online. But events, I mean, I've had some online events where I'm like, this is horrible. You know, you'd want that that energy that you have when you're in person and you try and recreate that while you're everybody's behind a screen. And that can be so tough.
Yeah.
So So Tough.
Yeah, I didn't I didn't shift to virtual events. There were chats of doing virtual events.
Yeah.
The thought of it was difficult. Jennifer did make the shift to successful virtual events. So she could talk more about that, but awesome. Yeah, I did. I did like online shopping.
Yeah.
Yeah. Jennifer can probably talk about her shifts. Better. You did.
Alright, so Jennifer talked to us. I mean, what happened with Babes in Business through COVID.
Um, I definitely have this like, just keep it going. I feel like I almost blacked out through COVID. We did, I had over 100 person meetups, I kept Babes in Business. Events are hosted every other month. So I kept it going every other month. We did virtual tape vendor tables, we did virtual photo booths, I have the exact same experience that you have in person, online. I'm sure some people like you probably didn't totally love it.
But I felt like we gave it our all and we had like 100 to 80 people show up to every single one. I was like dancing in the beginning of them, like I was giving it everything I had. Um, towards the end, when we were ready to pull it. I was also ready to get out of the online space. But I had Babes in Business, Hoboken and Babes in Business Long Island also moved to online and we were all doing it online. So the fact that I kept all of my locations going
during COVID. I will say that I'm pretty proud of myself, because that was really hard. And as we're all talking about it now, I think transition is such a big word. I'm so sick of the word pivot. So yeah, I'm happy to use and it's interesting. I think what everyone did and learned during this period of time, because now I feel like memberships. Online memberships is such a big thing
that's happening. So I think if you can take what you learned during COVID and find some way to incorporate it into your business, which I'm currently doing, and I think that is a really valuable business lesson. So that's my advice to you. It's not wasted time. I think everything that Jenny and I did, I learned a ton from I also took this time to, during COVID, to realize that I could franchise my business. And I'm doing that and opening up a bunch of other
locations. So I don't know, if I would have gotten all of that if it wasn't from the success of being able to move everything online and seeing that it still worked, and that everyone was so into it. So everything that you're doing is valuable, even if at the time you're doing it, you want to rip your frickin hair out.
It's so true. And, you know, I have been a part of some events that were not successful. But I have also been a part of some events that have been extremely successful where normally they would get maybe 80 to 150 people in person. But then shifting to being online, they're at 500 1000 viewers, people are listening all over the United States. So something like that, having the ability to make that shift and transition to online. And now continue it.
I mean, you are you, for your Babes in Business events going back to in person? And are you also going to have them virtual too. Is that something that you're thinking? Or no,
No, we're switching back to in person, but we're adding a membership. So that's awesome. What I've taken away from, you know, COVID
Yeah,
For us, it's definitely the in person is is very important and the connection and what they get from that and growing their tribe. Yeah, we're adding a membership into the locations.
Awesome. So in regards, so talk to me a little bit more to Jen, for about Makers and Shakers, and where this is coming from on your end to.
Um, I got to do the branding for it, which was really exciting for me, because that's my other business is helpful rabbit and I absolutely love being getting to be creative. So I took that name for her Instagram bio, actually, she has makers and shakers in her bio. So I thought that was the perfect fit for that came from. So Jenny actually named it I just like stole it. Best way to create something, right?
That's right.
Yeah. So I that's like, it's so fun. For me, I get to do like a lot of the creative stuff, you know, come up with all the colors and the branding. And I get to pull people from my base and business world and get them and then just create this really fun, all these selfie moments and all these fun areas for everybody to enjoy. So that's, I'm smiling right now. But I'm smiling. Because it's just so fun for me to create all these moments that people come and enjoy with their families
and friends. So that's, that's the fun part for me.
I can't wait to come and visit it, I've been kind of following both of you on the Instagram, just watching pictures and just seeing the fruition of it all. I've known Jenny for a while and just the energy, the end the love that she puts into it, and then getting to know you to Jennifer, I just, there's there's so much passion behind both of you. And it's really an amazing thing, not only as an entrepreneur, and somebody that is always moving and shaking on in my world, but
as a woman too. I mean, not for nothing. But it's it's it's difficult. It's definitely hard. I other women that I've spoken to other startup business owners I've spoken to, I'm just trying to get that support and and that outreach, I think is really amazing. And then really finding the connection. So what both of you have done over the past two years, let's say, you know, it's been, it's been an amazing adventure for both of you and seeing what has come out of
COVID and all the positives. I mean, COVID yet brought a lot of people will talk so negatively about the pandemic, but there's so much silver lining that came out of it for individual businesses and individuals that I want people to really start recognizing for themselves and for what, where they've come and I like the transition word because I gotta tell you, I'm trying now that things are changing out in the world. I have to mentally transition myself business wise, personal
wise. So I'm constantly learning like, okay, where are we at now? What can we do? What Can't we do, and transitioning into feeling safe? I think that's a big one for individuals, but transitioning into, okay, we were doing this and we before that we were doing this, and now we're in this new space, and how do we transition into that to be successful and to continue to keep moving forward? And breaking out of boxes, with or without a pandemic, but really just with our own motivation and
perseverance. So ladies, how about sharing maybe a little piece of advice for all of our listeners, all the creatives that are out there looking to start their own venture? Is there anything that they should invest in? or avoid? Is there anything they should do or not do?
Well, just talking about kind of, like, leads into this.
Yeah.
It's never try to do things. Maybe when you first start a business, you're alone? Yeah, I don't think you could do everything by yourself. Because what you were talking about is, as Jennifer and I working together, I used to run the bazaar by myself and wear all the hats and think that I somehow magically good like, run
this business by myself. And it wasn't until I went to base in business, networking, meetings, yeah, but I met other I knew Jennifer before then, but that I met other people, and I listen to advice. And at every Babes in Business, she has three different speakers that share their story. So just like learning from other business owners, and one of the biggest pieces of advice I would say is to, to get help and grow a creative team of people on your
side. So like, I don't think the bazaar would be as successful as it is without Jennifer.
Yeah.
Um, and the team of people that she's helped bring in because she is so connected to this amazing community of women that are so talented, including designers, including people who do social media for us and people who staff our table at the bazaar. Like, I used to do that myself. I used to be at the table, doing social media, setting up vendor tents, and Jennifer's like you're crazy why are you doing
this all by yourself. So I that's my biggest piece of advice is to like really connect with the local community and figure out, you know, how you can grow your team and be successful and grow and not do everything by yourself. It's really, you know, it's a good piece of advice, I think is don't be scared to hire someone.
I love that advice. I definitely love that advice. Jennifer, do you have anything? Any advice to share as well?
I wrote down five because your podcast is Top5. Do you want them on? Yes, let's rock. Let's rock it in my tip section yet I was I'll give you really quickly.
I wasn't in my tip section too, I have five tips too.
One, like the last one that Jenny just said find your tribe, I would be absolutely nowhere without all the women that I met along the way that I would not be able to do all the things I would not be able to run the bazaar run Babes in Business run my other company fill all of the positions that I need to fill. So find your tribe find them yesterday.
Yeah. Love that.
Like we were just saying be willing to transition be willing to change your business model Do not be stuck on like you started it this way. It has to be this way. Be willing to change because you have to change or die.
Yeah.
That's it. Okay. And find creative outlets for yourself. I don't think that I had enough of those. In the beginning. I recently found meditation, like even if you're just doing it for five or 10 minutes, your brain is one of your biggest tools. So please make sure you take care of it. Your body as well. I try to work out almost every single day because it just makes me feel so much better like to just even if you're going and taking a walk
by yourself or with your dog. It just helps you stay creative. And like it just does so many good things for you. Never stop learning new things. Like I said, I'm franchising my business, I want to rip my hair out. I thought I could not do it. I'm learning so many new things about things that I never thought that I would about more things about business. I like to read a book at least once a month I listen on audiobook maybe that's cheating. I don't know what I like learning about
new things all the time. And the last one I just listened to a book on this is I'm saving the last one is the most important I think, listen, more. practice listening, listening all the time. If you think that you're listening enough, you're not. And the book that I'm talking about is called you're not listening. I just finished it
I am writing that down.
It is a game changer people because in your business in your life to my husband, I am not listening enough like and reading this book really changed the way that I I don't know it just it really changed the way that I that I'm listening to a lot of different things like I don't think that I was listening enough even in just my business. So I can't recommend that just listening to people.
I think I need to give that to my husband but don't tell him that haha
I love that and you know, listening, but and listening to yourself to was that included because I know there's so many listening out and listening within, you know, going to just what you had said with a couple of your tips with, excuse me, working out meditating, you know, self care, because as an entrepreneur, you're constantly go, go going.
But in order to not burn out, you need to listen to yourself, you need to give back to yourself, so that you can show up over 100% and be the best version of yourself, not only for your business, for your employees, for everybody, but for yourself, too. I love that.
Yeah, that's, that's definitely important. As an entrepreneur, you're listening and giving a lot of yourself to a lot of a lot of people all the time.
Yeah. Jenny, you had mentioned that you've got five tips? Do you want to share those too?
Yeah, um, I did have a couple tips. A lot of some of them Jennifer touched on so I'm not going to repeat because because they're super what Jennifer said, I totally agree with everything. And I need to take the advice on the self care part, I work out a lot, but like the meditating thing, I think I need to do more. Because I let I think I like work too much. And I just don't take time to myself. So I
need to take that advice. But um, but yeah, a couple a couple of tips that I I have is I don't think they will realize how much hard work it is going into starting a business. So it's not easy. I think people don't realize what goes like they see that was our and then they're like, Oh, I'm gonna do an event like that, or something like that. And I don't think people realize like, how much work goes into to being a business owner. And so I just feel like Be prepared to work harder than you
ever had before. Even if you're getting help and stuff like that, just know that it's a lot of work. And just be prepared for that. And then that's where the self care comes. To take time to yourself. I mentioned this earlier, but I think it's important to try not to do everything yourself. And I need to take that advice too. And kind of continue building. You know, a team of people to help
your business grow. Be sure to go to like community events like Babes in Business, that they happen at Porta every other month, because I know sometimes I don't take the time to do it. Because I feel too busy or the night I have to put my daughter to bed. But like when I do end up going, I end up leaving and coming home like super inspired. And it's just fun to sit down and have a cocktail and listen to other people. Keep learning new skills. I think it's
important. Like I learned how to like build a website, you know, and I learned a couple of new social media tools. Just keep, keep constantly learning, like taking classes. And then I need to take this advice myself, but try not to be too hard on yourself. Like if something goes wrong. Like I will like stay up at night. Like it'll it'll haunt me and I'll let it really impact me and I just feel like it's this is something for myself.
This is why I mentioned it because I need to learn how to like be easier on myself.
Yeah.
And, you know, not get down. I have huge expectations. Like I really like high expectations, I think sometimes just cut coming down and being a little realistic on yourself and not be too hard on yourself if something goes wrong, because things will always get better. So those are my my five tips.
I love those tips, ladies. And I feel like I need all 10 of those tips. And I think a lot of people out there are really going to lean on a lot of that as as entrepreneurs as people in business as business owners, all of those tips are really helpful with within everyday living, you know, even if you're working your nine to five, and you've got a side project or you're passionate about something, all of those tips really come into focus and really come into play.
When you believe in something and you've got this this dream. I guess I could say something like that, you know, you've got this dream, you can make it happen and make it a reality. But definitely utilize these tips to make it that reality. Awesome. Ladies, I am so happy that the two of you join me today. First of all, I cannot wait to get to Makers and Shakers. I'm going to try and get there as quickly as possible
with my girls. I know my oldest daughter will be ultra inspired with her little side shops that she's trying to pull together and you know, very motivational, so I'm definitely gonna bring her to that. And Jennifer when's the next Babes in Business event? And you're gonna ask me that I'm trying to because I need to be there. So I need to buy ticket.
And let me see if I can. It's August 25. from seven to 10pm. at Porta, okay. And they're also now in Connecticut, Long Island, and Hoboken if you're listening to this in the car.
That's awesome. Awesome. Awesome. And then Jenny is the Asbury Park Bazaar. Do you think that'll start back up?
Yeah, right now we have some dates in the books. It's last weekend and fall in September, and then the holidays, but we just need to, you know, confirm them, I guess like we just have to like, you know, professionals doing some construction right now. So we're just waiting to hear back on like the exact dates that we'll be back. But yeah, we're looking at the fall. We're also exploring some events in Atlantic City. We launched the Atlantic City holiday bazaar last year, which also got shut down.
Yeah.
So yeah, so stay tuned. We will announce our exact dates, hopefully, soon in a few weeks.
Awesome. And then last quick question to you had said that every week. There's different artists creatives that are at Makers and Shakers. Is there a place for people to go to see who's going to be there if they're following a particular person that they want to shop from? Where would somebody go to find I that?
Yeah you go to Asbury Park Bazaar calm and click on events and a whole vendor list there. You can sign up for emails. Every week, we email the exact vendors that will be there if you're lazy. Just join.
Also you can find him follow us on Instagram on Asbury Park Bazaar, we do Instagram stories. So yeah!
Yeah, that Yeah, so follow us at Asbury Park Bazaar and you can find out all the information there as well. So Alright, shameless, shameless promoting.
Now keep it going. I will, um, when we post up the podcast to ladies, I'll make sure to share links and social handles and everything so that we can all just get this out there. Get the word out there, share it with all of DefineTalents, viewers, as well as if you ladies wouldn't mind sharing it on your social that would be awesome too.
Of course. Thank you so much for inviting us. This was really great. I really appreciate it.
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