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our next conversation. I'm Tara Thurber, Director of Talent Innovation and joining me today to discuss her Top5 Tips for Internet Safety is Crystal Turnbull, Marketing Manager at Canopy. Canopy is a parental control app that instantly filters out pornography and deter sexting. Hey, Crystal, how are you today? Thank you so much for joining us.
Hey, I'm doing good. Thank you for having me on. I'm super excited.
Yes, of course, I'm really excited to deep dive into you know, the term Internet safety. You know, it's not only just for us, grownups but I'm a mom of two I've got a five year old and a nine year old that are learning the ropes of the internet. So it's such a huge topic in my house in my world really to be honest. So tell me Crystal, tell me a little bit about yourself and you know your role at Canopy in and let's dive in.
Well, I've been with Canopy for a year now I am the marketing manager Canopy is a parental control app, as you mentioned, that instantly filters out pornography from every web browser and helps is the only app that helps to deter sexting. So I'm really excited to be on the ground floor with this company. I've been there for a year, but we really just soft launched the product a couple of months ago. And so it's been it's been quite a ride in just that very short time of
year. As a marketing manager, I manage most of like the outward facing ads, and help coordinate just about everything that anything that you see on our website, or that goes out. I'm coordinating we have with a couple of other internal team members. So yeah, that is that is my job.
That's awesome. Now, you know, big question. What is Internet safety?
Yeah, that is a good question. It's a taking all the devices, computers and chunking it out the window and going in a cabin?
Yes. I am loving it.
You know, I think Internet safety can be a lot of things. Anywhere from making sure you have the right Parental Control set up across devices, making sure your children are educated on what to share what not to share. And but I think the biggest thing is actually my Top5 tips, which is having conversations with your children on digital citizenship, and everything that entails with it.
I love that. And I like the words digital citizenship. You know, I think it's it's huge to have those conversations with our kids as young as possible. Because kids are online, I mean, just over this past 18 months, everybody was online. And you know, all of the different apps and logins for these kids to be getting on to kind of opened up more doors for these kids, even at a younger age. I mean, my five year old, she knows how to get onto things a lot more than I
actually thought she did. So I think that that's that's super, super important is to have that conversation. But you know, where as a as a parent, or an individual where do you even start with a conversation with children? And are there different ways to have those conversations with kids?
Yeah, I think it's a it's a continuous conversation for sure. Right? But definitely what we like to say is, as before your child ever gets a device or starts on a device, like you need to start having the conversations of what does it mean to be online? What are you consuming online? What does it mean to be a digital citizen and and then I'll just go through our five tips as well of like, the most important conversations to have with them.
So I think, first of all, the average age that a child is getting their first smartphone is between 10 or 11.
Yeah. And there's so much like so many great things that come with that, right like they have the world at their fingertips. That's amazing. That's awesome. That's the all the bad! Horrifying. At that age, you know, it's, it can be for as a parent, it could be horrifying because of, there's so much more freedom at their fingertips.
Right. Well, and that you and I were talking right before, just offline. I mean, our parents didn't have to deal with this.
Yeah.
Parents today are the first generation parents that are having to figure out and navigate this amazing but scary new technology, and how to raise self sufficient good human beings in this world as well. And being aware of dangers that, I mean, frankly, frankly, a lot of parents, there's just a new social platform every three months out there. So keeping up alone is hard, right?
Yeah, yeah, I feel I feel overwhelmed by the amount. Because, you know, I have to be safe for everything that I'm doing as a parent, as an individual, as somebody that's in digital technology. But then when I add in everything else, all these different platforms for these kids, you know, I feel this huge overwhelming feeling of, I either have to dive into it, figure out all these parental controls and how to work them all. Or completely cut them off
from having a device. And you know, at times I can sleep better at night knowing okay, they weren't, they had no screen time today. But, you know, I, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes as a parent, when a new platform comes in, or Mom, I want to, I want to go on Tiktok or Mom, I want to, you know, get into messaging all of my friends on Facebook Messenger.
Right.
Then I have, do I have to set parental controls for all these different platforms? Or can I set parental controls per device? I mean, again, my head starts spinning. So it's like, Where, where do I begin, and I know, having the conversations with the kids, it's tough too. Because as a child, you think, you know, people that are older than you are your mentors, or your leaders or everybody that you, you know, in air quotes here that, you know, as a child, you
look up to those people. But how do you know those people can be real, like new people, when you are, again, air quotes, trusting them online? And and your kids don't know, a lot of times kids at that age don't know how to ask the right questions, or ask different questions to kind of really find the truth behind that.
Right because they're, they're trusting and you know, you're supposed to be able to trust it to an adult and when we were kids like there was a limited amount of adults that we would actually interact with versus now it's just the entire world on a screen. I think that is that segues into our first point which is the conversation to have with your child is that digital is public.
Yeah.
So understanding whatever you're sharing whatever you're communicating images I like, I personally think Snapchat is one of the worst platforms for anyone high school or under to be on.
Yes.
And I hear parents all the time they're like, oh, but my my daughter like messages her friends on there. And I'm like, that's probably innocent now. But like that is that platform was literally developed for a reason. And there's, there's so many scary stories on that on Snapchat, that that have happened that I'm sure you've heard of images being shared that have been screenshotted and then circulated around schools, and then that impacts emotional health and all these other
things. So I think the first conversation to have with your child that is very important is that whatever you share, you need to be comfortable with your pastor, your dad, your favorite teachers, somebody you respect and admire seeing it because even on a platform like Snapchat where it immediately is removed
in five seconds, right? Maybe it's three I can't remember that that image can still be screenshot and then yeah, these kids have found so many back ways to be sneaky online to like there's stories of like they can cast whatever they have on their phone to a TV and then take a picture of what's on the TV and then you won't even know that your image was a screenshot was taken.
No, no thank you. And and that's something it's it's hard. hard because a lot of times the kids think, well, I'm just sending it to this person, right, like, and that's it. And I'm like, right, but it's still out there now.
Well, and that, I think is the the other thing that we try to communicate at Canopy, a good resource for parents would be our blog. So if anyone wants to go to Canopy.us, there's a section with our blog, we have a director of content. Her name's Heather Worley, and she's worked with families for over two decades. And she develops that blog and has so many great insights on parental controls and navigating the digital world. We also have an ebook over there so..
Awesome.
But that is one of the things that I think I totally lost my train of thought.
That's all right, man.
Go ahead.
No, I think you're we were navigating through just the fact that you can the kids could say, well, I was just sending it to my one friend.
Right. Right, right. So I was bringing up our website, because I think one of the things that we talk about with parents a lot, and a lot of parents that we we obviously do lots of forums where we get feedback. And one of the biggest misconceptions is, well, my child is a good kid. And they would never do that, which is totally understandable. I mean, I was a good kid, like, but I could totally see where, like, I remember being a teenage girl and being insecure and having a
crush. And even though I was a goody two shoes, like these relationships progress online, and parents aren't aware, and it could start off really innocent of just building a friendship. And then you develop this relationship with another person online. And then they ask for something that seems innocent, like, oh, send me that picture of you in the bikini with your friends. Well, okay, oh, send me that picture of you and your bra. Well, that's only one step from a bikini that may not be so
bad. And then the next thing, you know, it just progresses. And I think that there are a lot of parents, there's a disbelief that their child could ever end up in that situation. And the statistics are just there that it's it's not the case, sadly, like one in four teams have received a sex and one and seven have sent one and 10 have had a picture they've sent shared with other people. It's, it's just really sad. And it's just the
world we grew up in. So having these conversations with kids as soon as they get a device, and obviously, this is probably a harsher conversation that you have at a later age. But letting them know that as soon as they get a device, anything you put on here, you better be prepared. Like for some anyone in anyone to see it. If you send a picture, even through a text message, it can be shared any other way. So that I think is the first conversation for parents to have with their kids.
I think that's a huge tip and keeping that communication open throughout the life of this child or of grandchildren. You know, making sure that you're just constantly having that conversation. It's not a one and done conversation.
Right. Yeah, it's certainly not because you're not going to really have that hard conversation with a 10 year old at first, right?
Right.
But you do want to like, continue having it so that they see like as it progresses, like your conversation and the maturity progresses with them.
Yeah, I completely agree. So what else do you have for our tips today?
So tip number two is the conversation that digital is forever how many politicians have we seen something come up from their past? It's a and I think I there's definitely images on my social media accounts, personally from college days that I'm like, I don't know that I want an employer seeing that. Even though it was a decade ago.
It's very true. I you know, I'm one to also feel that way about, you know, when I was in my 20s or when, you know, other jobs that I had done, or, you know, where I've been, I mean, I'm okay with what's out there because it's part of who I am. But I do feel there's times I mean, even as kids get older pictures at parties, you know, and it's really is that it's your self representation. That is your digital footprint from the moment you start.
Yeah, it's a is that party is an employer going to find it. I remember like, when I was in college, I was like, Well, I'm gonna set my my account to private so that goes back to it. Anything you share is public. Any picture that you share, somebody could screenshot and put somewhere else, and somehow it can end up anywhere. So knowing that anything that you put online is going to be out there forever.
And has the potential of always coming back and being aware of again, how are you presenting yourself.
Which I think is good to, to start with the children at a young age to talk about that, to have that conversation to say, this is all you can't take it away, once you put it out there, it's out there now. And, you know, there's, I remember, I, I was in a photo shoot multiple, many, many years ago, and just talking with a lot of models that were out there, and fast forwarding 10 20 years, you could still Google these models and find pictures from 10 20 years ago. And that's not who
they are anymore. You know, and they were, they were fine modeling pictures, but at the same time, they're now a totally different person. And, and somebody had said, Okay, well, I guess if you change, um, try and put more pictures of now out there to lessen the likelihood of somebody finding those pictures from way back in the day. And a lot of people are like, really, but they still.
It doesn't remove them. It doesn't
No! It doesn't.
If somebody want to find them? They'll find it.
Yeah.
I always think of it at the terms of at a younger age, like, what would a president candidate not want to be found online?
Yeah. And it's, uh, you know, if you ever want to run for president or political office, is this picture going to come back and not look good. And I think equating it to running for president is, is great for kids to around that 9 10 year old range, because, you know, my daughter, I want to be president when I grow up. And I'm going to do, I'm going to do this and you know, and I'm just like, that's, they have so many like, aspirations, and right inspirations and people that
motivate this. And, you know, politics and being the president, I think is huge in their eyes. So by asking them that question is, is a huge question. Because then they're like, Oh, yeah, maybe I'm not gonna want to see, you know, me, like, doing something really silly. In 25 30 years from now, right, right.
Or I don't want an image of me kicking me booger online.
Right? You might have thought it was funny to send it to your girlfriend, but at the end of the day, yeah, put that out there have you?
Definitely. If he that goes to point number three, which is, digital is human.
Mm hmm.
And I think that really ties in in lines with sharing with other people. One of the things that also speaking of picking boogers is I cannot stand it when people take photos of strangers, and then share them and post them.
Yeah.
And I think that's an important conversation to have with kids that there is also like etiquette that goes along with digital citizenship. But also, while we're on the topic of politics, it's even as adults, it's so easy for us to get caught up and into like debates online, and you forget that there's a human on the other side of that screen. So just remembering that, Oh, this is funny, this girl's wearing a funny outfit, or that guy looks Goofy, I'm going to take a picture and share it on my
social network. That's a person that's a human being, would you like, go and make fun of him in front of his face? Would you go and have a conversation and just like, say all these crude mean things about them in front of their face? No. And if you can't do it to their face, then don't don't share it online.
I like that. I like that a lot in it, it kind of goes along the lines to have the golden rule that we have in our house, do unto others as you want done onto yourself, you know, and it's the golden rule is huge. And I think that that equates online just as well. I mean, if you can't say something, or if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all, right? Because even if you're saying it online, you're still saying it and
you're putting it out there. So then again, there's another footprint that you're leaving out there that you can't take back.
Yeah, I think that's one of the ones that even as adults, we probably can practice a little bit more.
Yes, I can agree 100% with you on that
Because I've certainly gone to the grocery store and sweats without makeup and a messy hair. And I don't want that floating around online.
Let me show up in my world as a as a human, it doesn't need to be out there for the public, even though you're in the public, but it doesn't need to be further than what you're immediately comfortable with.
It doesn't need to be forever.
Right? Right?
I'm having a bad day, if I don't feel good, if I'm sick, and I have to go pick a medicine, like, I don't want that being out there forever. That's not how I want my true self being presented online for the rest of the world to see.
Right. 100% agree.
So point number four. And I think this is probably the most obvious one for parents. But this is probably the one that you start as soon as any child is getting online, and even with your five year old is that the digital world is a security risk. So making sure they know what information is safe to share. You know, when you're creating a social media account, it usually asks you for a couple of things like your age, your name and your email, that's probably
okay. So having guidelines of what can they share, like, obviously you don't, you don't give your phone number out, you don't want to give your address out. And having those things like the do's and don'ts. And definitely don't do this or let's say that you have a preteen that's opening up their first bank account than they need to know that they come to you before ever entering that.
So setting those ground rules. I think that is just the basic and cybersecurity of if you're being asked for this information, come talk to me. And then we will work through it together. But don't ever enter it without me knowing. And just setting that guideline, I think, like even looking at the statistics of identity theft for younger generations, it that's who they target the senior senior citizens, and they're really young generation right now, because they are naive and
susceptible. And you know, older generations don't understand this technology and younger generations are just learning it.
So yeah, well, and I think too, I mean, signing up as seniors in high school or college students, you know, I remember when I got my first credit card, and my first bank account, I mean, I went to the bank, and sat with the bank person and got my little book to write in. But now you don't, you can just online it online.
Yeah.
And that's a lot of important information. You know, social security numbers, home addresses, you know, even trying to set up a YouTube channel. I'm like, Don't use your real name. Yeah, you don't need to use your real name. You should not be using your real name. Don't talk about where you live, don't, you know, and that kind of stuff. And it's, as a parent, it is overwhelming to keep your children even more safe now than you ever had to. You know, it was like we were
talking earlier back then. Is your mom home? Yep, she's home. Okay, cool. I'm going over there. Now it's there isn't that wall or that separation? I physically
Because there connecting with the entire world in your home?
Yeah.
Like I, you and I were talking earlier about like, when you, you had a finite amount of adults, you were supposed to trust and previous generations. And those were the you know, most amount of adults and you could trust them. And that was fine. Now they're interacting with the entire world. And just like the story, you were telling me earlier, about the six year old posing as a 12 year old and it'd be a good joke, like, adults can do that, too. The opposite way.
Yep. And that's something I mean, I stopped dead in my tracks after the story. And because it was very light hearted, and, you know, there wasn't a problem with that in in my daughter's eyes. And I was just like, whoa, wait a second, that that is a problem. And let's just take it a couple years later, more and I said even at this age, though, a six year old posing as a 10 12 13 year old that's still a big difference in an age and and emotional and you know, there's just a lot that comes with it.
And yes, it was a happy ending, but it was something that it made me stop dead in my tracks saying that's not it's not a good thing that that's what was happening. It's a good thing that there was nothing bad that came out it right. But you know, it's it's a dangerous matter. And I think that was the first time that I had to really, as a mom and parent just be like, pull the reins back a little
bit. Now where do I begin? Like, can I go back and retrain them on safety and privacy because I felt kind of like I, I don't want to say I failed as a parent, but I failed to let her know that that wasn't a good thing. And you know, now, it I do feel overwhelmed. And I'm sure so many parents feel overwhelmed. And so many parents are, are busy, you know? So it's like, are they putting parental controls on when they're okay, I got your phone. Okay. See you later. And
Parental controls are not easy to execute.
They are not! I get so frustrated. Because I'm not a I'm not a super technically savvy person, either. And that's me. I mean, I know, other parents that aren't online at all. And I mean, I'm online all day, every day. But some parents aren't on a computer. So having to set that where do you as a parent, where do you even begin?
Oh, that's the thing, too, is most parental. Most parental controls aren't necessarily just something that's easy to pick up. Usually, you have to go find the instructions manual on how do I do this, right, which takes time, how many parents have time.
So true.
It's like a bark, which is a great, great Parental Control app, especially for any parent that has a child dealing with being bullied or any of those social norms. Just set that up, you have to go in and log into every single you have to get the account information and the password for your child's device, like their social media accounts. But it's a great tool, and it does, at least for the bullying and notifying you if they're being bullied online. Better than
anybody else. Right? It's just a it's a it's a process to set up.
Yeah. Well, and it's good to know, I've never heard of bark. And I mean, my daughter came home day three, from school telling me that so and so's getting bullied already on the playground. And I'm like, Are you kidding me? And that's on the playground, let alone what can happen when somebody goes home and starts turning on a computer.
At least on a playground, I'm sure that's probably normal for like, even what with what our generations dealt with, at least. The worst part is like, there's about an eight year gap between me and my, my youngest sister. And I didn't grow up with social media in school.
Yeah.
And she did and seeing just girls are so mean to each other. I'm sure guys are mean that like, it's just like, and then it starts off, and then everyone's joking about it. And then you're already insecure. It's just a social media should be illegal for kids.
It's true. And and kids can be very mean. And they may not intentionally be be mean, but they say words and words can really, really hurt individuals. And it all depends too on their age and their outlook. And, you know, again, my daughter came home and was like somebody called me, blah, blah, blah. And, um, I said to her, that's okay. You are You, you need to let those words go let them fall off of you. You know, they're not, it's not who you are. And she's embracing it
now. And for me, that was something that my husband and I kind of did a silent High Five when we, we, we were like, yeah, okay, she's embracing this.
She is going to be the first female president. Well, hopefully we'll have one before before she's older.
Yeah, yeah. So it's, you know, being able to sit and chat with you today. It's really exciting and eye opening for me, um, because I am afraid of it all. And I am overwhelmed by it all. But these four tips I know we've got one more to go. So why don't we you go off with your your fifth tip for us?
Yeah, well, I was gonna say real quick, too, is like that is what we hear from all of the parents we talked to is how overwhelmed they are. And it's simply because there's so much out there, right. And that does go into the fifth tip, which is the digital world is powerful. What you consume, impacts your actions. What you consume impacts your emotional health, like there could be legal repercussions. Anything you do online, impacts what you do when you're in the real world day to
day as well. So understanding that the digital world is powerful, and can have real life consequences. On your real life on your emotional health on how you perceive the world? And what what content you're taking in can impact how happy you are. There's been studies that kids with devices that are actually on social media for a certain amount of hours a day that are actually it's like happiness, like are less happy than those that are restricted on how much time they're spent on their devices.
I think that that's huge. And I think time restricting too is big. You know, we've got a rule in our house, no, no screens during the week. Yeah, it's just a rule that we have, I want to keep them fully engaged and going. And, you know, at night, maybe we'll turn on a show on TV, and that's their screen time. But especially as the kids get older to they, I notice if my child gets onto a screen for two minutes, she completely changes. And I'm just like whoo.
Zombie child.
Yeah.
I'm like, you mean taking it in totally.
And it is to, you know, they could, they could become unhappy or have, you know, emotional distraught from it. But it also is, there's two sides to it, they can be putting something out there that could hurt somebody else. And so it's something to always be aware to with you, you say something about another friend on a messaging chat that maybe that friend takes a screenshot of and sends it out to somebody else. Like, it's it's two ways. And there's always two people behind
the screen. It's you as an individual, and it's whoever else is reading it. So it's really the world behind the screen. And vice versa.
Anything you put in print, anything that you type out, it's just like, even for adults. slack is an amazing tool. Have you do you slack? Or do
Yeah, I use all of that.
I think it's so easy to do office gossip on Slack, and then all it takes is somebody sharing their screen when they're presenting.
And bam!
just don't put it out there. Golden Rule.
So true. It's so true. And you know, even if you're typing something in Slack, it's there. It's not going away. Yeah. So you know, things can be tracked. And as much as I want to share all of this with my children and and have these conversations. I also how do I share it in a way that isn't going to completely freeze them and put fear into them?
Mm hmm.
That's something too that I worry about. I don't want them to fear it. Yeah, them to embrace this power, but also have, I guess, rigid guidelines?
Yeah. I think that is a another great thing that our CEO Sean Clifford, and our Director of content, Heather Worley say frequently, is the best conversation you can have is just if you have a question, come talk to me. Like if you're, if there's something you're not sure about online, come talk to me, we'll work we'll navigate it together.
That's huge. At least there's somebody to go to, cuz I know for myself, I'm I don't sometimes I'm like, Who do I even go to her ask?
I meant as a parent! haha
Yeah. Great, I'm gonna start reaching out to them.
You get I bet you that they'll, they'll just talk to you.
But you are right to as long as they have somebody to go to, and keeping those doors open. You know, because sometimes children may fear asking the question, or they'll do it without asking because they just didn't know.
Right?
So I think you're completely right to, to have that safe space.
And that's, I think we say that it Canopy be because, one, our product is the best technology to block pornography. And there's stats out there that are showing that exposure as early actually the average child will be exposed to porn by age 11.
Oh, Jeez.
Yeah. And it's just it because it's out there, right? And so that's where that conversation comes into play is like, it's okay. You're not going to be in trouble. If you see something. If you stumble across something that doesn't seem right, just come tell me.
Yeah.
That's where I think we have that conversation more often than not, is that it's just it's out there. And the digital world is an amazing place. It's something that I mean, there's so many possibilities because there's so much information at our fingertips now, but there's also so many pitfalls that we just have to be prepared for.
Totally agree. So with Canopy how does how does one utilize Canopy in their household?
Yeah, so can it be can be installed on most devices, there's a couple. We're not on Chromebooks. I think that's probably the biggest one that we're not on. But other than that Android mobile devices computers so you can actually go to Canopy.us and you get your first 30 days free so you can sign up for a free trial. And you would go through the process it is just like any Parental Control there's a little bit of a process but it should take about 10 minutes to install it
on your child's device. Once you go through signing up for an account there will be a link that you can send to your child's device you get your child's device accepted it install it on their device, and as soon as on devices it's installed on it will instantly filter out pornography on every browser. It also gives you the opportunity to block specific websites you may not want them going to block apps that you don't want them using I always recommend blocking Snapchat.
That's the first one i am like just just don't there's other ways you could talk to your friends
And that would be one that I would more than likely block.
Yeah. Um and then there's also like Canopy has a lot of other great features like it tracks you can track your child's location 24 seven if there are teenagers riding around and then the one of my favorite and probably most unique features to Canopy is our sexing deterrents feature which essentially, if a child takes a photo and saves it to their device, Canopy will recognize if it is a nude photo, or even a lingerie ask or bikini photo.
And it will prompt your child to either delete the photo or send to the parent for approval.
That's awesome.
It's the first step to obviously we'll be continuing to develop the technology but it's the the first technology out there that's doing something about it.
That's that's a really, really awesome feature. I think that that even you know, some of my my kids like to just walk around the house and take random pictures. I mean, I can look at my my girl's phone and it's not a live phone it's only live when connected to WiFi but I'm like why did you take those pictures of me cooking you know in my room, so
I'm getting ready.
Yeah what are you doing she was like I was just playing and I'm like no delete. not okay with I don't need those up there. Thank you.
Like, thanks for that lovely double chin.
It's so true. Crystal, these five tips are awesome. I'm just going to run through these one more time so that our audience can hear them. Tip number one, understand that the digital world is public. Tip number two, understand that the digital world is forever. Tip number three, understand that the digital world is human. Tip number four, understand that the digital world is a security risk. And the biggest tip, tip number five, understand that the digital world is powerful.
Yes. These are huge crystal and I am so excited to get this out there to our audience. Let parents and just people in general know that this exists. And Internet safety is really huge. Especially kids are back in school kids are back out socializing. I mean, I know when everybody was home, I'm sure it was even bigger for kids to be online. And the the risk and the safety behind it was probably even more of a cause for a parent to be double checking, triple checking what
their children are doing. But I feel now everybody's rushing around and everybody is I feel like ships in the night with my family sometimes. And having knowing that my kids can be safe is going to allow me to be less overwhelmed a little bit. I'm still super overwhelmed.
I don't think I know any parent that is not overwhelmed.
And I think it's good to know that as a parent and parents out there you're not alone. We you know we're all going through this together. It's I feel very new for a lot of us. As parents and our children now really diving into the internet world as a whole, so knowing that we're not alone and knowing that there are really awesome apps out there to keep our kids safe, that we can control a little bit of and put that out there is is really huge right now.
Yeah, thank you.
All right. Well, Crystal, thank you so much. When we put this together, I'd love to share Canopy's website and, you know, any information that I possibly can with the audience, and we'll make sure to send it to you as well so you can share it out with your network.
Perfect. Thank you. This has been so much fun. Thanks for having me on.
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