Bret Iwan (Mickey Mouse)

Hey, everyone, it's me Brett Island and you're watching tuned In with Jim Cummings. How you doing out there? It's me Tigger and Duc Wayne Duck. It's me Bunkers keep bobcat All right, y'all? Did it great? Your favorite firefly you desire? Hold the old knock Gud. My name is Jim Cummings and welcome to tuned In. Hey everybody, we are live and kicking today. My name is Jim Cummings. This is tuned In with Jim Cummings and Today producer Chris and I Brenda. We have an amazing, amazing

treat for you. And it's not Goofy, it's Mickey and here he is Bed. Thank you so much, buddy, thank you, thank you very much for being here. I'm delighted to be here. Oh he's delighted to be here. You see that world, Okay, see very good. Thanks for coming by. Yeah, you were just in the neighborhood. I was just in the neighborhood and I thought, you know what, it's about time

I come sit down and chow with you. I thought so too, and tell everybody what you were doing just mere moments ago, just moments ago, I was, you know, talking like a mouse like I do. Hi, everybody, it's me and Mickey Mouse, just recording a few lines, and you know, playing place sounds just like him. You know. I used to get that. I thought that was the greatest thing in the world.

You know what's disconcerting is when you don't get that. When someone's like, oh, it kind of sounds like him, You're like, yeah, okay, yeah. Jess Harnell our buddy. He's got a story about that. When he was doing the Animaniacs for the very first run. He was in line at maybe Disneyland, you've heard of it, and there was a kid in front who had a Yacho Warner t shirt on and and and his mother, bless her heart, she says, you have to tell him. You have to tell me. He goes, no, I can't. Now,

why can't you know? Be weird, you know, And he goes, oh, come on, do it all right, mom. You know your mom tells you you got to you gotta do it. So he goes, hey, hey, little buddy, how you doing. My name's Jess. I do that that character. And he goes, uh huh, yeah, it's good. And he turns around. He no, no, No, I don't. I don't mean, I don't I know. I mean, I'm actually like when you see the cartoon, I'm the guy you're listening

to. He goes, all right, give me some. He goes, well, you know, and I can't do yaco, but the polity emergency, that's something. He goes, no, and he goes, what do you mean you know? I don't sound like me? He goes, na, No, he's more like Paul, and the kids starts coaching him. Sure. So yeah, everyone's a critic everyone. Yeah, it's yeah, that's the stuff no one talks about. Yeah, it's because it's painful. It is very painful. There's a lot of tears shed. That's right.

Ah and everybody. I mean you just came from recording. Yeah, session yeah, session yeah, fresh off fresh mouse. Yeah, it was a long thirty minute session of some pickups. I'm really strained today, guys. Yeah, we'll go easy on him. Please shall we go? I think we should getting back to paper. Not believing you, Brett. I love the story of you having to fool your parents when you're showing him the audition

type. Oh yeah you heard that. Yeah? Yeah, when I you know, when I got the word that they were holding auditions for Mickey. I freaked out and I called my friend and then I called my parents. I was like, never believe what I just found out about. They're holding auditions and and and where were you living then? I was living in Kansas City, Missouri at the time. The gardens might as well be Hollywood Part two exactly like the Paris of the Planes is what I've heard the Kansas City

before. I still don't get why. Okay, yeah, I was working as an illustrator out there, and anyway, called my parents. I was like, you'll never believe guys. Guess what I'm gonna I'm gonna audition. This is so cool. My mom goes, I thought you did a better Donald Duck. Oh. And I was like, first of all, I've never attempted to do Donald Ducks. I don't know where she got that from. And then my dad was like, okay, cool, sure tell people

my son auditioned to be a Mickey Mouth. That's you know, just kind of blew it off. So after I practiced a little bit, I called them back and I was like, I've been practicing. I want you guys to hear what I'm doing. And uh, it's kind of predictable. And I was like, I'm gonna play the demo for you first and then I'll

do mine. But instead I did a little switch room and I did my you know, line reads first, and then afterwards I told them, well that was They were like, okay, now do your impressions, and I was like, well that was me, and my dad finally goes, oh, okay, you know that is pretty good. That is pretty good. Yeah. I started to have a little bit of faith that it could potentially turn into something. And now you're on the money and then my face is

everywhere that is, yes, yes it is. And the silhouette is ubiquitous striking right, yes, yeah, youiquitous. Yeah, well that's the kind of thing that you never did you ever see? I actually this is weird, but I thought I was going to do what I ended up doing when I was five. Yeah, now what about you see That's the thing.

I mean, it's the more I've gotten to know you and your multi multifaceted talents and voiceover and you know, and Bill Farmer and other colleagues, it's like I look at myself and I go, I never never saw this in my Life's journey. Right. I knew I was a fan of animation. I knew I was a fan of art, and I knew I was a fan of storytelling and by extension, you know, acting and that kind of thing. But but I had my site set on the visual arts from very

young age five years old. So that's that's the path I chose. And it really just because of happenstance, you know, getting this email that outlined the audition, and then deciding to take a chance, really just for the hell of it, because I thought it'd be a cool story to tell. Well, you were right. It likes to be working out rather well, doesn't it. I guess you know. Now I tell people I'm like,

take take the risk because you never know. Oh god. But but what I've discovered over times, like I love this role and I love voice acting, you know, I unlike you. I just do Mickey. So I'm I'm like a one note wonder. Okay, that's like, well, I only sing like one guy. But it's Elvis. Oh well, okay, I guess I guess, you know, for yeah, randomly falling into a character. He's a pretty good character, but forget it. Yeah, like

I said, he's on the money. If I could go back and tell my five year old self that this was, you know, potential for the future, I probably wouldn't have believed it now, but I hope I still would have pursued it. Yeah, well, we're all glad you did. And the crowd went wild. Do you think you do? You still draw? I do? Yeah? Actually, just today I had some new poster art released. I still draw regularly. I've never lost that side of my

career. I just joked that I've got the best of both worlds. I got to be an artist and continue to be an artist, and then I get to play in this arena voice acting. But since voicing Mickey, I've had the opportunity to do a lot of Disney art. Actually, I started designing some merchandise for the D twenty three fan club. Then I started getting some opportunities design stuff for the parks. I designed some Mickey Ears clothing line.

I've partnered with a friend of mine to help her. We'd collaborate on some clothing merchandise lines together, and well that's fantastic. Yeah. The coolest thing that I've gotten to do art wise is thus far is just last year Mickey celebrated his ninety fifth birthday, and as such they wanted to commemorate it with an official portrait, which as has been the tradition for milestone birthdays throughout the year, something that started in nineteen fifty four when Disney legend John Hench

first painted a portrait of Mickey. And there's been there's been seven or seven including that one, and then I was just honored by getting to paint the eighth portrait of Mickey was ninety fifth. So that's wonderful. Yeah, that was is why do you go back to asking about, you know, childhood dreams? Yeah, I picture myself reading the art of Disney books and looking at those portras throughout the years and be like, oh god, I wish I could paint like that. And so so while painting it, I kept

thinking about that, and you know, the pressure was on. Well I've seen this, guys, all right, you can't believe it. It's fabulous. It is wonderful. I mean just I feel like clapping. Seriously, it's amazing. I mean, yeah, I think that's such a gift because I doodle, Okay, I used to design to paint Marty Gras floats. Oh yeah, you know, splash, you know, no problem. You know, here's a big mouse, you know. But what you do is amazing. I think, well comes out of your hand, your pencil,

your mind, your paintbrush. It's truly and you know, and it's there's this thing in the in the industry on model. Yes, right, you're very familiar with that. I am, I am, and you are on model. I try. It's something you got to strive for, though, because I'll tell you, I look back on some pieces that have been approved and been published and I go, it's not why, right, you don't do that, but I do. Oh, I do, so I do that too. But yeah, but just with voices. Yeah, we're making

fun of people being critical. But yeah, I always say, like we're our own worst critics. Yeah, I think so that would have been like a real full circle moment for you, right, because you learned to draw because of Mickey, and now you are Mickey and now you're getting to draw the poetry. That's fantastic. It's very weird. I mean, I have moments when I have to look back and it's a good grounding exercise, you know, to just be in a moment of gratitude, look back and go.

It really is kind of unbelievable. I just started as this kid who liked to draw because my dad introduced me to the early Mickey cartoons. And one of my favorite things to do on the weekends was we'd watch put in the VHS, watch it and pose it and you get this fuzzy positive right, but draw the characters together. And it was kind of my introduction into like constructing the characters with shapes and all of that, and the Disney way of doing things. And yeah, all I I wanted to do was be

an artist for Disney. I wanted to create the films that I was such a fan of, or you know, the attraction relations and stuff. So yeah, I mean now I get to do it. So yeah. But the the thing that they never tell you is that you have these lofty goals and you can imagine all these things, but what happens when you achieve them? Like it for me, if I'm being honest, it hasn't really felt real yet, Like, yeah, every time it happens, it's like,

that's so cool, what's next? And so then you have to like the goalpost keeps moving a little bit, But that's healthy, right, it is? Yeah, I mean I've discovered that I love. I love challenges. I love I'm very curious, so I love learning new skills and so yeah, I guess you could say every time you reach one of those moments and you go, what's next, you're in a way looking for the next challenge. So oh it's healthy, absolutely, Yeah, it's definitely healthy. Keeps

you moving, Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah, what's your goal there? Ooh that's a good Midlive question, Thank you so much. Contisential crisis, Donald Duck is going down. Let's not go there. I don't think we have enough time for that. Yeah, but but seriously, oh that kind of going. No, I just meant anyway, I hope a lot of people out there going nothing, nothing nothing. We edited that out. You're not even gonna see it. No, it's gone. So what is

my next goal? It's a great question. I I don't you know. What I've found myself craving lately is the opportunity to make connections. And what I mean by that is is finding people's passions. You know, I love I feel like all too many people don't have hobbies or something they're really passionate about, something that drives them and I won't get into my theories behind it, but you know, like we're just it's it's a convoluted mess that we're

all kind of being bombarded with lately. And so anytime I find or meet somebody who's really into this or that and I see ways to make connections, I love that. I love connecting people. I love kind of bringing talents together to create something on a bigger scale. People who are passionate about their passions are more interesting. Absolutely, Yeah, no, you're right, Yeah,

there's something to engage with or something to explore. So anyway, Yeah, I guess maybe one of my new goals is to work on fostering those connections and then finding ways to by extension kind of teach. I've been saying a lot lately that where I am today is a big result of the people that I've looked up to or who have mentored me, or who have been inspirations, and so I just want to find ways to do that for others.

That's a nice That's an admirable goal. Thank you. Thanks. Is there anything you can suggest for me to get where do I go from here? Oh? My god, that's great. That's great to hear. You're doing it though. I mean in like this this podcast and sharing your skills and your interests with people, I mean that that opens doors for tons of people. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. I've had some really nice people on and now I've got another nice person. We're not done yet.

Yeah, that's right. No, we're not done yet. We're not done yet. We're not done with you of America or world or where is this playing again? Would you want to La County? Yeah? Would you want to teach like drawing or performing or what would be your your avenue of desire? I think I would probably in the creative pursuits. I'd probably go more towards drawing and art. I still I feel so small. So she's sitting next to someone like Jim Cummings when it comes to like the performing side

of things. I've picked up skills in the past fifteen years, for sure, but there are other people more suited to coach and drive people towards the voice acting field. So I think for me, it's about the drawing, it's about art. I have a real passion for restoring things like antiques and whatnot, so you know, with that comes a lot like woodworking and metal working. Yes, and a lot of those trades that aren't very popular I

shouldn't say aren't popular, but not as well. Restoring one of those old classic leather loungers and oh yeah, I mean I just I took some time doing some upholstery recently, old trucks, trains, wagons, things like that. I love. Oh that's great. Yeah, it used to have an old I used to have a huge train set too. As a kid. Have no idea where I went town. This is not just going, that's how it happens. Busted it out at Christmas every year, had it run

around the tree, run around you know. Yeah. Cats hated it and it was a beautiful thing. The cats are responsible, so yes it could be. Now we have a dog that thinks it's a cat. Oh you ever go to that one pizza shop and thousand Oaks and I had the train ran all the way around. Do you remember that? I forget. It was called little Pizza Shop out one thousand Oaks and they had one of those old school trains and it would always run twenty four sage brush CANTEENA I heard

of this, Yeah, okay, yeah I missed it. Yeah, well I grew up in a house that had that. My dad was a huge model railroader, so he built a train that suspended from the ceiling and it just like ran around our family room. And then eventually one Saturday morning, I woke up and I heard hammers and shovels and stuff, and I looked out and he was tearing down He built this beautiful sandbox and jungle gym and stuff for me when I was younger. He was tearing it all down and

I went out. I was like, what's going on. He goes, wait a minute, We're building a garden railroad. Get ready. So he took he took that down, and we then had this this train that ran through a garden with like, you know, miniature trees and whatnot. Oh cool? Is this like that Donald Duck cartoon out of scale? Is totally that moment? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just took a video of that recently, of the one at Disney. Oh yeah, and it's yeah, you know, and it just choose, you choose around. It's great.

I love those. Yeah, I will never outgrow. Good for you for admitting that. Yeah, I feel better now I've got that off my head. Yeah, on the growth trained sounds like, your father was a very creative man. Oh yeah, he was, and he still is. Yeah he he both my parents actually they're very creative. I always I say, I'm so lucky that I had parents who weren't intimidated by creativity or the

arts. They're encouraging of it. You know, my my grandfather was a Caltech professor, seismic safety commissioner for California for a while, and like just a very high level engineer brain. But my that my dad doesn't possess those intellects, but he always he choose chose to focus more on the creative things, building and and and doing model trains or building homes or anything all that stuff. So yeah, I grew up around that. It was very inspirational

for me to see that. You know, this old house was on every Saturday morning, and oh sure, yeah yeah, you know you look back and I'm like, oh God, all these things that I love and continue to spend my time doing are so influenced by by those moments. Even down to the music I listened to. You know, you know, it's like bluegrass and eighties hairbands. It's like, thanks to oh okay, well bluegrass is little yeah, eighties hairbands is tough. Yeah, yeah, Cinderella and

yeah, exactly almost. It was a sad time in music. It was a time it was yeah. But yeah. Have you ever stole something from your childhood? Oh? Wow, Wow, you're good with these questions. Actually I am. I have, and I am currently restoring. Not to take it back to trains again, but I recently came into possession of this train. And it's not a toy train. It's like an actual steam train. Wow. And wait to put that in a living room. Where do you? Oh, here's Brady's coming. Yeah, he's on his train.

Yeah, I just watch out. He's laying around the neighborhood. No. We actually, my family has some land up in northern California area, so we've been laying some tracks and getting it run. It's small little acreage there.

But yeah, this train. Actually I grew up riding as a kid in this town I've in Washington State that my my family we would vacation to every summer, and this guy had built this train and it was a little tourist attraction and every summer we'd get up there and you'd pay a dollar for a ticket and take this little round trip and go I was obsessed with it. Obsessed. Well, a few years ago I got in touch with the

family of the gentleman who built it. He has since passed away, and through a very long process and just kind of sharing what I was interested in, they eventually decided to give gift us the train. So my family and I have been working on restoring it now. So so, yeah, that is that is the one thing that's very tied to my childhood that I'm restoring. It's like, I have memories of sitting in these train coaches and and and you know, getting to watch the locomotive go by, and now I'm

I'm actually tinkering with it and yeah, that's great. Where where does this train live. It's up at the just like north of Sacramento. Oh, we've got twenty acres up there that oh okay. Yeah. So it's not like in your coffee tables. No, no, no, okay, I mean it's it's yeah, you know, it's like, that's kind of cool. It's a scale down thing. It's not it's not like a full size is now is it like that one that Walt Disney had. It's a little bigger. It's a little bigger than Walt's Lily Bell. Yeah, yeah,

you know what I'm talking. I know exactly what you're talking about. And I would have been very ha happy with that. But his you had to like sit on mine, you can sit in That's the best way to describe it. You're such a record, I'm but it's you know, it's a passion of mine. I'm very it's I again talking about that connecting of like

creative people. The guy who built this, to me, he was so impressive because he was just he was an oil refinery engineer who had like served in the war and ran trains over and Iran during the war, and when he came home, he just maintained that hobby of working with the machinery and steam machinery in particular, and decided to literally build from the ground up this whole railroad. And I just think that's so impressive. These lean it's amazing.

Yeah. I mean, it's like I can't get my butt off the couch to go get a glass of water some nights, but he's deciding to

sit in his workshop for hours and build this thing. So anyway, when I get to work on stuff like that, I feel like I'm kind of like awakening those stories, getting the chance to to bring to light something that this guy put his heart and soul into it, and before it was just kind of in this limbo space, and now I get the chance to kind of bring it back to the light and hopefully find other people who are interested in it, and then kind of share his story in a way that is

so cool. Yeah. Wow, what's great is that there's another generation of kids who can create memories with it because of the work you're doing on it. Yeah, and that's what you know, that's that's what's exciting. That's what the driving force is for me, truly, it's to see, you know, I've got I've lost track now. I think I've got eight nieces and nephews and my family and then another soon to be three on my husband's

side, and we've got a lot of little ones running around. And when you get to see them enjoying those the fruits of your labor in those ways,

it's like, that's that's cool. Oh, that's so nice. But yeah, the same goes when they're watching our shows and what you know, Oh I know, yeah, yeah, I think somebody pointed out at a convention, I I think I'm on my third generation because I don't know, you know, you know, fandom, yeah, whatever you want to call it, Chase, I think like a Winnie the Pooh generation isn't like a

full twenty years. Sure, I think you know, your first five years your mind, then maybe not so much, you know, but but then again, you know, like yourself. You know, we've been known to do these conventions and comic cons and the parents will come up and they'll plump down some dark McDuck DVDs, and and the little kid is he's seven, yeah, you know, and I've told this before, and he's dressed this

dark McDuck Andy. Well that went off the air twenty years before you were born, so you know, I'm raising I'm right, you know, of course. Now Disney Plus, oh that's true. Yeah, that's all over here, which we see a lot of the Yeah we like that. Yeah yeah, subscribe like and subscribe subscribe that like button, yes, and then subscribe Disney Plus. But still yeah, well take us back. I why don't you to tell him disc to meet your bedroom personal animation studio. Oh

my god, you're a kid. Oh gosh, well let's see. I there was there was so when I was a kid, and I was obsessed with Disney animation. My parents, again going back to them, knew this, and so any chance they were able to make a connection with somebody wh worked at Disney, they always took advantage. And I'll never forget my mom was working at a dentist office and met this guy who his name is Dan Povenmeier. He at the time was just working on a little show called Rock

Was Modern Life and done some stuff on The Simpsons. It was later gone on to create Phineas and Ferb and so many other great properties. But person yeah, yeah, So anyway, you know, my mom met him all my sons in animation. He gave me a tour of Nickelodeon, and then the next thing, I know, this guy who worked on Roger Rabbit was over our house for dinner, and so I had this like I guess, uh, my parents were always working as my agent in a way to like

find these influences for me. That's good. And so eventually, somehow through of those connections, I found out about this company called Cartoon Color that was in Van Eyes. I don't know if they're still around, and they were like a supplier of animation discs like The disc is the thing that sits on your desk that holds the punched paper for animation, for the traditional animation back in the day, and they sold paints and whatnot. Anyway, long story

longer. You know, I for one of my birthdays, I'd saved my money and I said, I just want an animation disc. I want like an animation table like I see in all the Disney animation books. So my dad drove me all the way out to Van Eyes. I bought myself this nice shiny animation disc, drove it all the way home, cut the hole in my drafting table, installed a light on the bottom, and that was my you know, my animation were there studio. So yeah, then I

was obsessed. Was it was just a regular drafting table with a whole cut out of it, this great little animation device put in the middle of it. And that was my That was my happy place. And like I'd come home from school and I'd sit, I turn on the latest Disney soundtrack and listen. I started drawing the characters, you know, and dreaming of doing it for a living. All the other kids are outside playing street hockey and stuff, right right, I mean they're drawing Aladdin. I don't know,

that's pretty good. Oh wow. I couldn't even draw a conclusion. Nowadays it's used to, but it's like, no, nobody wants to thank God. Oh yeah, yeah, that was a very descriptive. That was very good studio. But that's that's what it was. Surrounded by Disney books. I'm obsessed with all the art of books. How to draw. Yeah, I tried those and I said, okay, well I'll do maybe I'll do the voice. Yeah, you know, and that worked better. They don't

have those books like how to do They don't have those books. I'm glad they was going to say. You know, I've said before. Gordon Hunt, the great, great Gordon Hunt. He was the direct voice director for everything at Hannah Barbara many many years. His father of a great actress, Helen Hunt. He wrote a book How to Break Into Show Business, and I was so glad I didn't read it until after I was already working in

the business. I think it's fifth chapter, seventh chapter. It says, how to break in, how to become a voiceover artist, and you know, make a living, don't bother. It's honestly, it was like this much on the page don't bother. This is done by about four or five people. They all live in Hollywood, where you don't. And next chapter and that was it. So I said, tell you how glad I am? I didn't read this, right, I was, yeah, the less you know? Yeah, yeah yeah. So it's like Bill Farmer always says,

and he has no problem saying it to people at conventions. Do I break into voiceovers for his answers get rich parents like yeah, yeah, you know, good luck and then he says, Huck exactly smooths everything over. Yah. Yeah, you can tell anybody anything and they go and then you're golden. You're cleansed palette, right the power. Oh you mentioned soundtracks before, right, I know the fantastic soundtracks a very important to you. But

I personally collect soundtracks on vinyl. That's my thing. That's why I do soundtracks. Do you still listen to soundtracks? That's still the thing you do? I absolutely. I was just jamming out to the Interstellar soundtrack the other

day, some artwork. Yeah, No, soundtracks are still My husband makes fun of me because he's a little bit more in the know when it comes to the latest pop songs or you know, music trends and I'm I'm sitting there jamming out to like the theme of Big Country or I love I love Western. You mean in the Big Country. You don't mean that one. No, no, no, no, you mean exactly. I can't think. I can't think of it right now, but yeah, yeah, no,

I love I love soundtracks. It probably goes back to just the fascination of like storytelling. When you listen to a soundtrack, it kind of like it's this melodic transit transports you, right, Yeah, I mean that's why I still listen to classical music for those reasons. It's like I always said, these are the soundtracks of that time. You know, they're so they're so story driven. I'm a big Tchaikowsky fan, and you know, you listen to any of his stuff and you're like, there's there's depth to that,

there's emotions intertwined and all of it. So, yeah, I love soundtracks. I love classical. But yeah, that's why so much of today's music just leaves me frozen, Yeah cold, not the soundtrack for Frozen. That was fun, actually, like yeah, it's not much there, Yeah no, it's I mean again, I'm no expert, but I go back I go back to the old stuff for sure. Yeah, there's a reason for that. So yeah, do you have a favorite Disney soundtrack? Oh,

favorite Disney soundtrack? Say one that I was. I was gonna say Aladdin, and that wasn't because Jim's on it. But I know Jim's on it, but no, Aladdin was. Aladdin was probably the film and it probably hit at the right time for me. That was the one I was obsessed with for the longest time. But that whole Disney renaissance lyon King Aladdin, Little Mermaid. Yeah, yeah, pretty was the last of the Mohicans and I was there to see it. Yeah. I loved every second of

it. Yeah, me too. It makes me sad that from there, they and they and everybody knew it. It was like on the you know the set in the recording, well this is this is it? Because that for me, Peter Pan, I remember seeing Peter Pan. That was probably for whatever My aunt Nan took her took me, bless her heart, and uh, I just thought it was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. Then you know, Pinocchio scared the crap out of me. But yeah, you too, Yeah, I mean, wait, well, he's

a donkey. You know that was bad. It's always the donkey scene. Yeah, don't be a jackass. Yeah that was tough. But I always wonder if two D animation traditional animation will make it. I mean, it's like the pendulum always swings back and forth right, and you would think you would, yeah, sometimes you hope. I don't know, though, it's it's weird Disney. I know it's too easy now Yeah, yeah, hit a button? Is it? Or is it? Do you think it's like

a finance driven decision. I feel like to hire all those artists and everything, granted, CG takes a big team of people. Yeah, I don't know. I'd be interested to see how it breaks down, because I don't think CG is necessarily cheap or easier. But it's it's it's the trend. It's it's what people expect. It's what the audience expects now. So but you know, I would imagine that there's an opportunity to it might be easier

to outsource to other countries. I feel like, you know, every Oscar season there's always some short that gets, you know, shown and it's traditional and people kind of go crazy over So there's that appeal still. I know, Disney Future Animations like kind of put a focus back on that and they've brought in some younger talent to hopefully rebuild and Eric Goldberg's kind of running that. So yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, but it's but there's

nothing like it. I mean, I love when you're able to see the the rough before it's all inked and paint and everything, you know, that rough pencil stuff. When you it just looks so cool. Yeah, it's it's just it's not to be cheesy, but it's like you're you're watching this

pencil line come to life. Yeah. I was really fortunate, in a slightly creepy way, got it had a chance to meet Frank and Alie Frank Thomas L. Johnston, you know the famous night Old menage and their book The Illusion of Life is one of the kind of like the joke that is the animator's bible, Like it was a book that I was really obsessed with as a kid. So I got to meet them and talk to them related

to some college papers I was doing. And yeah, if you've ever had a chance to see there's a great documentary about the two of them that Ted Thomas actually did and he shows a lot. All the animation he shows in it is all the rough animation, and I almost wish I could to see the whole film in that capacity because it's so beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, well, they literally don't make them like they used to. That they don't, that is for sure. Can you remember the first drawing of yours that

you were proud of? Oh? Man, I don't know if I can speak to a specific drawing, but I do know that, you know, up to a certain point, drawing is the thing I did for myself and and was kind of self taught. But when my parents enrolled me in some

art classes. I grew up in Pasadena, so there's this place called the Armory Center for the Arts, and they enrolled me in an acrylic painting class, and it was the first chance when some I got to learn like that there is a technique behind art and specifically media and it's not just kind of get good luck, you know, see, if you know, it wasn't just about like talent, there was some like an intellect behind it and learning

how colors interacted and how media responded and and so yeah, I remember that class was probably the first time when when I learned the way to use a specific media, and I saw the results. I started becoming really proud of my artwork. As I'm telling you this, I'm remembering I painted an elephant that I was pretty damn proud of. So I don't know where that elephant went. It should be I should go digging, I should dig through some boxes. I'm sure it's there someplace. But yeah, it's it's funny,

I think. I I think the pride in my artwork came when the more I learned about how to like properly do it. And yeah, I was really again going back to animation, I was you know, one of the things I always told you, if you want to be an animator, you should draw from life. And so you'd always see portfolios made up of figure

drawings, quick gesture drawings in particular. And I was touring colleges, went down to where I eventually ended up going to school, Ringling College of Art and Design, and this wall was at all these display of student artwork from a figure drawing class. I was looking. I was like, oh, man, I don't think I could ever do it that. It's so good. It looks like Disney quality stuff. My dad was like, you'll get there, like once you start school, you'll get there, And I was

like, I don't know if I will. Then yeah, he was extremely encouraging. And then like it was probably just a year later. This is going to sound like I'm bragging. I'm trying not to, but you're talking about you're talking about pride in your artwork. I was. I had been there for like a year. I really discovered a love of of doing these

quick gesture drawings. In fact, my favorites were like thirty second drawings where you just have thirty seconds the model strike suppose and you're just you know, kind of wodrowing down some lines really quickly, try to capture that the movement. Anyway, a guy from Disney came down to our school to do a little workshop and he saw my sketch book and he goes, you're a senior. I was a freshman at the time, so it was like, yeah, I'm doing pretty good. If you thought I had been there for four

years and I've only been there for a years. Wow, that's nice. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, no kidding. It's nice to be acknowledged, yeah, super interested in nice to be better than everybody else. Wow. I mean take it till you make it. Yeah, there you go. That's true. Wow, well you made it. That's pretty dog gone amazing. I have to ask you, have you ever animated to your own voice? I have not. No, you know you were supposed to say yes, Oh well no, yes, yes I have. Wait,

it's coming back to me. Yeah. I just think that would be so damn cool. I think I'm afraid to. I think I agree with you. It'd be pretty an amazing when I say that on here. Yeah okay, I answered it. Okay, good. I wasn't sure where we're playing that. I was coughing. Sorry. Yeah, I think that'd be really great. I am. I would be so intimidated because I never When I went to school, I switched my focus. I didn't go to school

for animation. I went to school for illustration because everyone told me you need to learn the basics of illustration to then transition into a traditional animation course. There was a computer animation course at my school, but that was learning all the technical computer stuff. That wasn't what I was into. So I just did illustration, and that's where I've maintained my artistic career. I've never I don't remember the last time I animated something, but maybe I should. Maybe

I should try doing some Mickey animation. Yeah, why not? Why not? Indeed? And that Disney money. There's got to be what Disney money? He doesn't know? Again, fake it till you make it? Yeah, o God, we can go off on that, couldn't we? We won't the Wholemark Cards was it? Was that your first gig? Yeah, my first professional gig was Hallmark Cards. Yeah. I was there for five years in their illustration department doing illustration graphic. I was there too, but

I was doing voiceover. Really. Yeah, were you actually on on Ventura Boulevard? I mean, oh at the No, I was out in the Kansas City headquarters. Oh, okay, Kansas City because that used to be the Hallmark channel. Guy. Yeah, I mean now coming up next on Homemark of course. How do I not? How do put that together? There? You go? How could you not? Gold Crown Media? Come on? Yeah, oh boy, I should have. I should have put that on my list of things. Jim is done amazing. No, it

was a lot of fun. That's great. It was a lot of fun there. Yeah, little house on in Prairie. Did you do any Disney Hallmark cuts. I did. I had a very brief stint in the licensing department, so I did. I did a few one or two Mickey cards. I know, I proposed a more designs that probably never made a little foreshadowing of the Your Life to be as I did. I concepted a lot of keepsake ornaments for Disney Christmas Yeah, Christmas ornaments, yeah. So a

lot of preliminary sketches on that. And then you know, I when I got cast in the role of Mickey, I was I had not quit my job out at Hallmark yet, so I was literally commuting back and forth from Kansas City every couple of weeks trying to figure out how I moved from Missouri out here, and I held off telling Hallmark. But during that time, I hit my fifth anniversary with them, so they threw me up. They loved parties, go figure at Hallmark, anniversary parties were their thing. So

they threw me a five year anniversary party. And I walked into the room and it was decorated with all the Mickey stuff because they knew I was a huge Disney fan. Wow. So I had to like bite my tongue the whole time. Thinking like, I'm about to quit my job to go the voice Mickey going to yeah, it's a little ironic, but what what? That must have been a fun conversation. That was one of those conversations where

I imagined it playing out a lot more, a lot differently. Okay, let's let's see you on Monday. Hold on, yeah, you know, maybe not right. Actually, I remember I scheduled a meeting with my boss and I was I was like building up. I was like, well, there's this great opportunity and blah blah blah blah blah. And I was waiting for him to be like, oh no, Brett, please you we can't lose you don't go. Are you sure? And he's like, all right, well that sounds pretty cool. So two weeks it's like, yeah,

I guess okay, don't you miss me more than that? Yeah? I like, but aren't you gonna try? No, we're not doing that? Okay, cool? Okay, Well yeah, well they I figured they couldn't. They couldn't. They're going to compete with that. I guess. Little did they know they could have, because they spent the first year living in

my aunt and uncle's camping trailer. You know, like checking the email every hour, being like anything, and no one told me how this job worked like hit or miss and ebbed and flowed like yeah, yeah, so it's an interesting and brandon you could do there way, it's Mickey Mouse illustrates Mickey

Mouse. Hallmark Cards now by Mickey Mouse. Surely as a marketing there, right, Paulmark, if you're listening to this, I mean I have a a few friends are still there, so I probably tap into those relationships and suggest that. But no, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, why not? They could even wait five years to it's public domain and go for a baby. Well, we'll see your work will be very clean, sweet that I'm going to be so busy. Yeah, well I'm not even

so busy thanks to me. So I hope, I hope it happens to somebody. I mean you better than you, right, I want to know. Do you still put on the fantastic shows in your backyard? No? No? I mean, well maybe it depends on how drunk I am. I probably shouldn't say that. Do you still have the element in you? A you just want to get creative and just do something crazy like that? Though? Yeah? I mean I suppose it probably just manifests itself in different

ways. Yeah, I mean a lot of those. You know. When I was a kid and we were putting on fantastic shows in my backyard, it was it was tied to my obsession with production. And oh my gosh, the goof just walked in. What the well, Hia, pal, what are you doing here? Well, there you go, he can follow directions. Yeah, this is the only podcast where Goofy and Mickey can just have a conversation. Yeah. Yeah, I told you, this is my time. Yeah, you just like them. I will never stop getting a

kick out of it. Oh I should stop doing it. No, please don't, No, don't. I I don't recommend that at all. Oh well, sorry, Brendan, you said what production? Yeah you told me how you Oh yeah, I think I just I love the behind the scenes. I love figuring out how things are done. I love how figure out how illusions are done. You know. So to me, Fantasmic was so theatrical and that it really was. It came out of nowhere. You're at Disneyland walking around all day and then all of a sudden, boomw So I

thought it was so damn cool. It's amazing. Last time I ever saw it, I've seen a few times, and the idea that you know, you can have a shot and turned that into a screen, a movie screen, somebody's lawn sprinklerk a really big one. Yeah, you know, shooting about an acre of water up. It was just I just was blown away.

Yeah, and that's why I think. You know, my brother and I would my dad had this Projectory took on work assignments with him, right, So we're like setting up and projecting Fantasia sorcer of Mickey onto like the biggest tree we had in our backyard, like trying to figure out like how do they do that? Or or we tried with the water screens too and couldn't get out to work. But yeah, I just I guess it just

was really fascinated with just the whole. There was a time when, going back to your question about soundtracks, uh, Fantasmic soundtrack had not been released, and so I actually made my own by taking different like classical pieces and different movie soundtracks. And I remember, you know, going with the double cassette tape thing, right, and I'm like recording back and forth and mix my own soundtrack to play fantasmic before. So cool. Well, I think

into your question earlier, like do I still do? I think that that shows up in different ways, you know, Like I still I still love that Disney touch and that Disney way of doing things with soundtracks behind things.

Right, So so when we're up, you know, running our train around, like I've got movie soundtracks playing, you know, I've I've created little propage things to surround where the train runs and things like that, And so I think that's my It's the same vein right of creating and playing in that imaginative space. It just shows it up in a slightly different way now, But absolutely, yeah, I love all that dorky stuff. Oh god, yeah, me too, me too. Who'd have thought you'd end up becoming

an iconic character as a result of yeah, right, just playing. Yeah, well, I used to say I learned learned more in the halls than I did in the class. Yeah. No, that's because I was always going to kick that out of class. Chris, How important do you think it is to be a fan of the character that you're voicing. Does it change your approach to voicing the character? Do you think absolutely? Because you

guys both took over characters that were already well established. Yeah, had you not been a fan of the character, do you think your approach would have differed or do you think because you were such a lifelong fan that it just made you think? Was it more pressure going into it or how did your approach differ? Yeah, you know, I think there was more pressure going

into it. There was already a ton of pressure. Let's be clear, it's it's Mickey Mouse, It's he's legendary, right, got to do it right, Walt Disney or the originator, and then Wayne Allwine had been doing it for thirty two years at that point. Like there's still people who tell me Wayne was my Mickey because that's a long time to be doing always.

So, yeah, there was that pressure. But then to your point, there was the added pressure of I know this character, I love this character, I love this legacy more important, and I love what it stands for, and you know, I want I didn't want to mess that up. And if if I could be even the smallest part of helping that the longevity

of that, then I wanted to be. But yes, I think I think it's really critical to be a fan of these characters and for the longest time, I almost felt less than since I wasn't a voice actor, since I wasn't playing in that sphere out here when I auditioned, Uh, you know, I kind of felt like a fraud. It's imposter syndrome, right, which a lot of people have. So I was kind of walking around being like, oh, gosh, I'm not really a voice actor, you

know, I just kind of there's probably somebody. I'm sure a lot of people are out there going I could do Mickey better somewhat but not entirely. But I've always said I think, you know, it served me better to have not been a voice actor who was just interested in being Mickey because oh, you're going to be famous for me, Mickey, because that, I think doesn't it takes your performance in a different route. Your intentions behind voicing

a character like this I think are important. Uh. And and especially when it comes to the character of Mickey, he's this he's this little personality assigned to the purpose of laughter, is what Walt Disney said about him one time, right, Like, he's Mickey is a celebrity. But I don't think Mickey fully acknowledges that Mickey, that's it's not why Mickey is who he is.

And so if if an actor is coming in and like I'm gonna be Mickey because I'm gonna begin into Disneyland for free and I'm gonna go do this, It's like, I just I think that sets you up for a different path. Don't get me wrong. I love to go to Disneyland, like it's nice to go, but if they let me in for free, then it's really nice. It's even better. And this role has has given me so many opportunities to either meet cool people or have cool experiences, so all

of those things are not lost on me. But yeah, I think being a fan first and foremost has really kind of helped chart the course for how I wanted to interact with this character. Like, I mean, I don't really do a lot of podcasts. I don't, I'm not check my Instagram

and probably I haven't posted it in a couple of months. Like I'm really bad at self promotion, which I know is kind of the name of the game when you're in this industry, But it doesn't hurt, right, it doesn't hurt, And when there's moments for that to be authentic, then I'm totally up for engaging in that way. But otherwise I'm just so happy to get to go into the studio, record the TV show or a toy or whatever and think about how cool it is and then go back to MYS.

So, yeah, just be a fan at the end of the day, Just be a fan of it. One thing I've learned from doing the show with Jim is that there's a difference between just doing the voice and becoming the character. Jim transforms into the characters you guys, from Winnie the Pooda Tiga, and it's not looking at two different people. Jim knows what each character would say, and I think it's a big difference they of just doing the

voice and actually becoming the character. Yeah. No, for sure. I mean, and I'm sure you've talked about this before, but when we do conventions, you get there's no shortage of people coming up and doing their their impressions for you. Right. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, yeah, which is so fascinating to me. Here's my mickey. Hey, pretty good. Yeah, that's great, that's pretty good. I mean, what are you supposed to say? Actually, no, yeah, that you're hurting my

feelings. One of my favorites is to be between Jim and Bill Farmer over here, and like, listen to the inter actions they get and then roll the dice and whether or not I'm going to get the same one. But yeah, sorry, you were talking about being the character transforming into it. I I was thinking earlier that when I first started, I focused so much on trying to do an impression of Wayne's version of Mickey Mouse. Hmmm.

And when I listen back to earlier recordings, I can hear that I'm intentionally trying, like I'm holding my mouth differently to make I promise you're the only person who can hear that. No, I mean that's the good news. Okay, okay, well that is good news. It's one of my super here, my superpowers to be able to discern. But yeah, I was focused so much on that, and now I don't think about the technique or lack of technique, probably in my case, in those early days, it

was just more so I was doing an impression. And now I feel a little bit more organic and just knowing who Mickey is and how that sound just kind of comes out now and I'm focused more on his personality. His tonality is all that and I'm not just name dropping because Bill's here, but Bill's one of the people who told me that early on in the beginning, is like, do you find yourself focusing on making the sun? This is probably

like a year one. I was like, yeah, absolutely, I said, some days I'm really scared of not going to come out, and he goes, I'll give us some time and you won't even think about it, You'll just be Mickey. I remember thinking like, yeah, right, I'm always going to be scared, and it didn't sound like Mickey. I'm just that was scared. That was scared bread. That was that another character scared breat Oh yes, Schoolyard Brett. Oh yeah, that sounds like a hit.

Yeah, it's really darky plan trains. Oh, fantasmic. Anyway, Yeah, I've progressed a little bit. I hope. I would think so, I would think, so tell me it's been fifty it'll it's fifteen years next month. In like two weeks, I think I hit the fifteen year mark. Yeah, that's really that's good. Yeah, that is good. And I think the first time we met was it probably was it d twenty three or it might have been a studio. I know, Yeah, you

were doing a panel. Yeah, we were doing the panel. We had met before that though, so I must have been a studentdeo it was. Yeah, it was for Mickey Mouse Clubhouses fourth season. When we came back for that, that's when we finally had the chance to meet. Yeah, I'm doing this for I think there's been a Mickey Mouse something extending back before

you were with the company. I mean, I don't because I think it started off Mickey Mouse was a bill funhouse Clubhouse out House was a big one that was huge hit, a huge, huge, huge, a huge hits, it hits. There was no s in that. Yeah, but yeah that was House and Mouse, right and yeah, there's been Yanke shows forever and now it's going to be the next one is Hey, how about that

Mouse? Huh that'll be that'll be it's him again. Yeah yeah. And you know it's interesting about Mickey is he's always got his profile and his straight face straight on there. The shadows are the same. Oh yeah, his ears always turn always yes, And you know, I always I always thought when I mean, even coming up, I was thinking, so if you're standing on the side of him, what does it appear that is? You

know, how does that work? It's an optical illusion. Yeah, I never know, it must be. It's one of those things I think about when I'm drawing him though, especially like if you ever put a hat on Mickey, I'm like, well, now his ears coming through? Or do they just conveniently go behind the hat? I don't know it. Yeah, I've yet to figure that out, but I'd like to see him at a sailor hat. What are you going to do with that? That'd be tough. Yeah, I don't know. I mean circular, maybe just sits right

in the middle. Yeah, let us know America. Yeah, what do you think put in the comments below? Yeah? Yeah, go ahead, doodle one in there. But getting back to you mentioned earlier, Brett, how one of the first things you're proud of when it come to illustrating was when you learned the process of what goes into animation. Was it similar when you started doing Mickey rather than it's not just doing a voice, it's is elements to it. Can you remember when you sort of the understudy process?

Yeah, you know, I auditioned to be Wayne's understudy and then that just never came to fruition because unfortunately he passed away before that. Casting decision was made. But I guess you could. I was kind of the understudy for a few years, right. It was just it was trial by fire. You talked about learning more in the hall than you did in the classroom, and that's always been my thing. I learn better hands on than I ever

did doing studying in front of a book or in a classroom setting. So I'm grateful in a way, Like looking back hindsight now, I'm like, I'm glad it worked out the way it did. But yeah, I was. I was learning a ton about I knew nothing about mic technique. I knew nothing about I mean, I knew a little bit about acting. But you know, I think that just came with the more content I worked on,

the different types of product. You know, you learn the difference between something that's going to be at the theme parks versus you know, more intimate moment and a tea TV show scene. So that just all came with experience. I think I did take some improv classes, I took some voiceover classes for a while. I'm a bad student, so again, those environments just weren't the greatest for me. I you know, full disclosure, I don't think I finished either one of those courses. It was just like I think

I'm good here. Yeah, a lot of people being like, I just really want to get into cartoons, and I'm like, I've got to go record. Yeah yeah, right now. Yah. But but yeah, and in music too. You know, that's been something that's developed and I've learned a lot about over the years. You know, I had my limited knowledge of high school chorus and band, you know, coming into it. That was my musical theater or background. But you know, we've we've done so

many products now and different albums and whatnot. And again I look back in the early stuff and I go, oh, but there's been a lot of stuff lately that I'm very proud of. So I think time, you know, time is very helpful. Experience is very helpful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's for sure's advice. When you were first doing the voice, was there any one in particular that sort of helped you guard you through it,

because whye unfortunately was Yeah, it wasn't. Really. I can't say that I targeted anyone specifically, but I always say that thankfully because you kind of touched on this earlier. But these characters are just so you know, important to so many people that there's a small little you know, like we're part of a small family, and Disney character voices, and so there was the creative directors behind the scenes, the writers of course, my colleagues.

You know, when I became friends with Russie Taylor, Wayne's wife and Bill and Jim and whatnot, Like I was, I was, whether they knew it or not, picking up on things from them, getting you know, even something as simple as listening to playback from a session, being like, oh, let me let me cueue up Jim's line for Pete's you know what he did earlier, you know, And it's like I screwed people up all the time. Yeah, I mean I realized early on, like don't listen

to what Jim did, Like, just go off the script. He's never going to deliver what's written on the page. That's good advice. But if I had a nickel no I, I I definitely was. I was being mentored by everyone kind of all at once, whether they knew it or not. And I think in some ways I still am, like I'm still picking

up on stuff. I'm also I discovered that like when I watch a movie or a TV show, I'm like fifty percent there for the entertainment, fifty percent there for like again like micro scrutinizing the craft of it all, right, whether it's the the production design or just the acting or the way someone delivered a line. Like I've learned a ton from just kind of making that a focus, whereas before I maybe just kind of dismissed it as whatever,

frivolous fun. Now it's it's so much more weighted for me experiencing all those things. That's great, Well, you got to be a sponge. Yeah, that's what I've Yeah, that's what I think, you know. Yeah, that's really helpful when it comes to creating new characters. You know, put the male man in there with your your uncle Joe or whatever, the random guy you saw gone through TSA. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, God you too. Huh. I've had that dude in THEO like three or

four character. Yeah. The thing is you're more similar kind of age Brett, where you grew up listening to all these people who you are now your co workers. You know, it must have been so mind blowing. Oh yeah it still is. Again, like imposter syndrome. I've touched on that so many times. But It's it's like playing in the sandbox of like who am I? Like? Why am Why am I here? Like it's only

a matter of time untill they discover I'm a fraud. Yeah, but it's it's we I mean, I'm I'm working amongst legends and and working alongside legends. It's it's a very odd feeling. Uh. You know, people are always like, well, the show is called Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, so you're like the star is from Like, no, I'm not, well, I don't know, you're on the money. That's not bad, That's exactly right.

It's it's a very surreal place to be, Yeah, because I mean I grew up watching Ducktails and Dark Wing Duck and goof Troop and Winnie the Pooh and Goofy movie and I did not watch Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. I was too old for that. But yeah, yeah, it's weird. Well, let's say I'm trying to think was justin No? Is it not Justin Bieber Britney Spears? And who was it Justin Justin timberlay iteration? Right? Yeah, yeah, I guess you would. You're probably I was. I was

obsessed with the Mickey Mouse Club the live Action show. I was, Yeah, I told a lie in my neighborhood that I was actually going to move to Orlando. I was gonna leap Pacady and a move to Orlando to be on the show. And then the neighborhood kids were like, you know, two weeks later, like, so, when are you leaving? I was like, oh, it keeps getting delayed. I'm going. I'm going, And I actually had to come week show. I didn't you watch? Yeah,

I was like, I was, I was on it. The only reason I really wanted to be on the show was because I thought the coolest letterman jackets. I just wanted a letterman joh wow. Then I discovered you could buy them, so I didn't need to lie about going on the show. I could just say, really lie, yeah see look what they gave me. Yeah see that's my name, my episode just in an air. Sorry guys, Yeah, hey, Chris, should we play the voice swap?

Yeah, let's do the voice swap. We like to do a little voice swap where Okay, I'm getting better at explaining this, I think, so okay, here we go. He'll do a line in making Mouse's voice, and then Jim will reiterate that line in one of his character voices, and then we'll swap back and forth. Does that make sense? I have to do Jim's voices. Well, you'll do as Mickey or as a character. Oh, and then he's gonna do but I'll do it as Yeah, I gotcha, gotcha? Thank god. It's like I'm not doing the Pooh.

All right. Well, well well i'll do dark wing. Yeah, I'll do it, So take it away. Give me, give me a legendary give legendary quote, ladies and gentlemen. Well, hi, everybody, it's me Mickey Mouse. Say you want to come inside my clubhouse? Well, all right, let's go. That's too many words. Sorry that nobody gave me parameters. Hi, everybody, it's not me Mickey Mouse, and anybody want to come inside my clubhouse and we'll make a big mess and then

call the maid. Thank you? Stay dangerous. See I think this is exactly how he reads scripts too. Yeah, go off. Yeah, I occasionally say what they write, I'm in. It's on them more than it is you. Right, Okay, I'll do tigger and then throw that to you. Is that how we're doing it? The wonderful thing about tiggers, it's Tiggers are wonderful things. You gotta oh a wonderful thing about tig Tiggers are wonderful thing. Wow. He does not come with a fit screen,

so you're gonna have to bring your r You have to hear. One more is pooh, just two iconic. There we go. Would you do me a favor and please pass the honey. I'd be delighted to do your favor and pass the honey. I don't know. Please Mickey sounds so lame when he reads little duck, I'll do the only duck here. Yeah, duck and a there you go. So let's just do one more where you say a Mickey quote and then Jim, you do that quote as winny. Gosh Mickey, well, gosh, some imagination. Huh, well, gosh,

that's some imagination. Huh Oh, that was just sad. That was That's great. Okay, don't try this at all. Go ahead. Oh man, I'm still not sure anybody knows the parameters of this game, so I'm afraid to do whatever we want. That's just what I'm learning. You guys intimidated me with this, But we made it through without cussing too much. We did, We did, and ship like that, you know, duck at all? Yeah? Did you say duck or never mind? Hey?

All right, well thanks, I really really really appreciate you coming here today and doing this together players pro Dear sir Chris, thank you very much. Once again, this was another episode of Tuned In with Jim Cummings. Thank you so much for joining us today. Brett, don't forget to leave a light and subscribe to our YouTube channel and you can find us anywhere you get your podcast. Once again, this was another episode of Tuned In with Jim

Cummings. Thanks for watching. We'll see you in the next one. So oh you I was painless? Yeah yeah, that was fun.