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But my son Lennon, what's going on today?
Listen? Man, I'm here. You know, I woke up, I got a little breath.
In my lungs. You said you was good.
Well today you know, the world is still switching.
Listen, turning, It's still turning, still.
Still moving, still moving.
Uh. I guess from my perspective, how I feel right now is like there's just days left before people go read my whole life. And I'm just.
Listen, Ain't nothing, ain't nothing to fear with fear I got.
I have a really powerful review that was released. I don't know, I don't even know if they released it yet, so I'm gonna be careful and not say who gave me this review. But it's a really important one in the industry. And in the review they talk about my book and they say, well, you know, they say it's it's a busy story. It's got a lot going on, and they say, but it's powerful, and it's very vulnerable and authentic and they say that, you know that pretty much.
It like in other words, it tugs at the heartstrings of people, like you can feel this black activist go from being all over the place to getting her life together and growing through the ranks. And so it was like a it's like they read the book. They read the book. They read the book.
So was that Give me a couple of days. I'm gonna sit down.
It's two weeks.
It's in a week that it comes out, and you haven't read it.
So but you know, but I got the book.
I just need to sit down. We just haven't had a chance to just sit down.
You said last week, I was gonna read it tonight.
But I've read a little bit of it and it started off good.
Yeah, but.
Anyway, I live to tell. The story is out in days February eleventh, tomorrow. If you are in Louisville, Kentucky, need you to be at the Norton Healthcare Sports and Learning Center that's at three thousand West Market Street. You can go to Tamika D Mallory dot com and purchase a ticket. It's forty dollars. That gets you a book, ants, food, and drinks. So and I just want to thank everybody.
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Oh my god. Anyway, So that's what I got going on.
Well, you know me, man, I'm I'm gonna be there, definitely gonna be a little I see my feeling in Louisville, and we're gonna make sure that we turn this thing out.
We're gonna turn it out, man, turn this mother out.
Anyway. Let me get to tell you what my thought of the day is. I do I do because you know what I just have been. I've been having the.
Most calls of my life.
I always say that everything that happens, people call, and they call and we talk, and we talk, and I just want to say this to some of the black preachers across this country and some of the black men and women, because we have a friend who are several friends at least, but one that I had a really deep conversation with who said to me, I don't care about transgender people because if your child is transgender, they have a mental health problem, and so that means that
they are that's not that's something you need to deal with with a therapist. And I've heard that a few times. And so then I have people saying, well, I don't care about immigrants because you should have came the right way. Did. I have people that say Palestinians, I ain't really see them with us. I don't know that they with us. That's all the way across the water. I don't got nothing to do with that. It feels bad, but I
don't care. And some of these people, not all of them, as particularly the friends of ours, they didn't either they didn't vote at all, or they definitely did not vote for Donald Trump. But this is just how they feel. So they took a posture of being like, I don't know, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, but I ain't
gonna really fight like hell. Then there were black pastors that refused to be engaged in the election because they said, I, you know, I just can't morally the abortion piece or the you know, lgbtqia or whatever these issues is just not for me.
So I'm just staying out of it. Then you add people who.
Black men and some black women, but particularly black men, who said they're taking all our opportunities away from us, and I and I you know, we can't. That's why we can't build wealth because it's we always doing multiculturals, too many people whatever. And now many of them are saying this is crazy, like you gonna you are coming out the gate trying to rescind civil rights that don't just help black folks, by the way, but just civil rights that are important. Now they may not be able
to get these things done. They may not be able to get them done, but nonetheless they're trying to do it.
They have a.
Posture an attitude of second class citizenship for black folks and others. And my whole thing that I want to tell say to people is that first they came for them, and then they come for you. There is no such thing as isolating oppression, isolating hate. It doesn't work that way. These people, Donald Trump, Elon Musk and them, It could go on and on and on and on. They believe in white nationalism, they believe in Europeans being.
The dominant race.
That's what they believe in, right, And so what they are attempting to do is figure out how to move some people out and break the backs of black people and change our conditions in terms of our rights to where we have no choice but to go fill in the positions of those people who they've been able to eliminate.
They don't care about law and order. If he cared about law and order, he would never have freed people who beat the shit out of cops, including a woman whose head was bashed in a police officer who now has a permanent mental health issue. Right, they don't care about that. He doesn't care about law and order. He's total opposite of that, the total opposite. So that's not what it's about. It is very simply about the fact that there are people here who were doing certain types
of jobs in the you know, on the land. They were saying that some of the farmers, the workers on the farms weren't showing up to work because they're afraid of being deported. So there are fruits and vegetables spoiling. All this stuff is going to get worse. But what they want to make sure is that you don't have the opportunities that you think you're gonna have. So this is why they're closing down DEI offices. They're doing all of these things to ensure that there is not enough
wealth moving. Right, and if we don't change our habits, because there's a way we can deal with it, which is to spend with ourselves and build our economy up. That is us building with us, right, us building with us. But what they want to do is reduce the opportunities so that this way you feel pressured and feel the need to go fill in what they have deemed. I'm not saying I deem it that way, but what they have deemed the lower class positions. That's all. It's a shuffling.
They're shuffling people, and they got to do a lot of things in order to get there. So what I'm saying is that whether you want to admit it or not, all people who are oppressed and vulnerable are in the situation together, every single one of us.
We're all in it together.
We can say we're not gonna do as much for this group or that group, or we're angry or whatever. People went out and voted. You know, you got Muslims that voted for these people because they came and met with you and put up a billboard and told you they were gonna do this and that and the third. And meanwhile you knew good and damn well that these people were the same, if not worse than the folks who were already in there. So I just that's my
thought of the day. My thought of the day today is that Donald Trump and his homies are shuffling folks around, moving some out, and trying to shuffle black folks into positions that will help to keep them as number one and everybody else number two in below.
That's what they're doing. They're shuffling.
And similar to how there were some of us who were told when enslavement became a thing on the shores of Africa, they were moving our people, and there were black folks whipping, snitching and organizing with them against the masses. That happened because they brought the Europeans brought nice things, they bought shiny things. Some of them were forced in various ways. But there are others who they gave them shiny things, they bought, they gave them weapons, They gave
them a drinks liquor with liquor was a big thing. However, they made look at that time, they gave them silver. They had all different types of trinkets that they dangled and said, you'll be a part of us if if you help us do this thing that we're doing, this experiment, this plan that we have, and now we have the same mentality that some of us voted for. Others of us didn't do anything to stop it, didn't use our platforms,
didn't say one word, didn't say one word. You got you have people out here who are saying, don't stop supporting my brand. But they never did anything to help us when we were out there trying to stop this from happening. There being for the.
Actually to get these these policies that got you inside.
Exactly, they never.
Did nothing to support anything, never said anything, no.
No, no, In fact that that manager you have, that business partner you have, or that rep that you have that is at these big companies that told you you can't do politics.
Got.
You gotta keep yourself out of that because you're a business person and everybody comes from different You got people might be Republican that support you. You got people that might be so and so to support you. You gotta be careful.
You can't do that.
Guess what those people they talked you into being a part of your demise, because be clear, unless we support one another directly, depending on a big box store or any of that, it's not gonna work. They eventually they're going to you will book it will be fewer and fewer of you. So I think that the lesson we now learn is everything is political. I said that last week.
I'm gonna say it again. Everything is political. And if you are a person in business or in anything else who wants to see the morality, the dignity, the sovereignty of our communities be upheld in any way, you gotta get political. You gotta get in the mud. Got because we in the mud.
Listen, if you do not have a seat at the table, then you're on the menia and that's the bottom.
But they'll say that their seat at the table is that they are doing business I mean.
No, but but I don't trying to tell the sea that the table means that if you at the table, then nobody's going to tell you that they're going to exclude diversity, equity and inclusion when they understand that that's the how you got here.
Well, I heard I heard somebody say today that that's not how they got their contract and what they have nothing to do.
We we're real confused. We seem to think that.
Diversity, equity and inclusion is something that started in twenty twenty.
That's that's that's not a fact.
That's not a fact.
This has been going on for years. Reverend Jesse Jackson was one of those pine in years that forced companies to bring more black suppliers in, to bring more black board members and others in. So when folks try to say that they you know, oh, but I don't think that my thing. I don't know that I had anything to do with DEI or the summer of twenty twenty. The summer of twenty twenty was a renewal, but it
was not the beginning. In fact, if you want to go back even further than that, we all have been part of that in many different places because they wasn't hiring us at all. So there was no merit system that allowed you to be in to be in place because they could know that you were. In fact, they got black people and black women know what I'm talking about that had all the merit. We at the top of the scale, most educated, We got all the things
we are. We are brilliant, we're creative, we're organized, we are all those things. We know how to go into spaces and temper our emotional standing. Meanwhile, white women be crying all day at the office. We can't even cry. Not all white women, but some of them. We can't even cry. So we've been able to do all of that. And what they will do is let you present something, they will steal from you your intellectual property and go sell it elsewhere. That's how much, that's how high we
are in a merit based system. If it was merit based, they wouldn't have shit. They wouldn't have shit. So the idea that you don't know if DEI had anything to do with how you got your contract or diversity equity inclusion, know that that did not begin. This is my This makes me so scared for us that we lack understanding of our history so much that we don't even know that this did not start in twenty twenty or even let's see even lets let me go back to another time.
I started twenty was George Floyd Trayvon Martin was in twenty twelve. Right even before that. I'm talking about the eighties, even before that, before that, the seventies, even in the sixties. This is work that has been done with people toiled. They worked hard to get us to where we are now. So anyway, I gotta keep I gotta be quiet. We have a guest coming that is gonna speak. We're gonna be talking for a long time. So for today, I
don't have anything else to say. I was gonna give y'all team I about this young lady that went on the internet and said, oh, don't be coming back with no Milano clothes. That's that, that ain't it. You need to you need to be in a Montclair or she might have said moose knuckle. And it's like it was a young black girl who's telling people that Milana who is passe and busted and this and that, but the white man stuff, this is the problem. That's why y'all
been talking about boycott. Let me know when y'all ready.
They're trying to girlcott.
Let me let me know when y'all ready I've read, I'm out.
Let's get our guests. Yes, sir, when friends come through. We've got a friend today, long time knowing one another, but becoming brother and sister as of lately, just coming together. You know, tragedy and we deal with so much of it, and trauma can tabonds. And while we may have been in many spaces together, I can say that we never really had any like meaningful conversation until we was like,
what we're gonna do with this damn country? And so I'm so excited today to have someone who I am glad to be able to call friend and brother and comrade to join us.
And you guys don't really know.
Each other yet. But but you know, y'all ain't become friends yet. Oh that's that's some straight bullshit, because you know what I mean, might be like I don't like them.
But your friends though, don't. We're not gonna you just don't realizing your friends.
But don't worry about you anywhere.
But Maurice Mitchell, nationally recognized social movement strategist national director of the Working Families Party and also one of the brilliant minds behind the Movement for Black Lives. And I would say one of the foremost voices on on social justice in.
The nation is joining us in.
Y'all. People don't be knowing people. We don't y'all don't be knowing our people. That they put folks with two ten million followers online and make them leaders. And then I keep hearing people say we don't have any leaders, and yet there are so many leaders, and Maurice is absolutely one of them. Born and raised in New York. That's correct to Caribbean working parents correct, which means Working Families Party. It all is ALIVEE.
Comes from home. Thank you so much for being with us.
So good to be truly, so explain to us, like, what is the Working Family Party?
Okay, So I'm sure both of y'all have heard. Okay, I get it. The Republican Party. That's that's the party of Trump, that's the party of the white nationalists. Cool. But as a black person or as a working person, I think the Democratic Party is playing in my face. I think the Democratic Party is owned by the corporations or they're taking my vote for granted, and we need something else. I hear that all the time.
We need some difference. Yeah.
Sometimes you know, before I even tell people what I'm about, when I say that I'm involved in politics or organizing, I'll hear like, we need something else. We need another party. The Working Families Party is building. That's something else from
the grassroots. And WFP started in New York at a time when grassroots organizers and folks in labor unions felt that the Democratic Party had gone astray and was listening way too much to the interest of Wall Street and not to the interest of Main Street or the interests of the streets that we grew up in. And so it started in New York and we've spread and we now are in twenty plus states, and we're organizing on
the ground, and we're focused on governing. So we're not just focused on getting people elected, because we want people to have the experience of registering, voting, getting people elected, and then recognizing that things change when they recruit people from the grassroots to get elected. And I like to bring up you know, you just mentioned that you're going to do an event with Jumani Williams. A lot of people don't know.
York City, Yep, shout it out at the New York Public Library.
Listen. I'm would be at one of them because there's something. There's something happening, even the eleven listen.
Listen.
This is your platform, so shout out your your book.
Listen.
So Jiubani, he was a grassroots organizer, an advocate for renters' rights, and he decided to run for office. And the establishment, the establishing even today doesn't doesn't appreciate that brother the way they need to. But the establishment at that time did not want him to run for office, the Democratic Party establishment and certainly certainly the Republicans establishment. He ran as a Working Families Party only candidate in Brooklyn for city council. Anyone.
I didn't really know what it.
Yeah, so Jumandi got his start as an independent Working Families Party candidate. Tis James is another person. She started in the same way in Brooklyn, a lawyer for the people that the establishment couldn't figure out. And because she was so independent and because she was so righteous, the establishment in general, including the Democratic Party establishment, didn't know what to do it and the Working Families Party recruited
her to run independently against the Democrats and Republicans. So that's an example of what we do every single day. We recruit everyday people. Sometimes they're they're educators like Jamal Bowman. Sometimes they're people's lawyers like Tis James. Sometimes their organizers like Jimani Williams. Working people, working people, right, because we believe that working people understand the solutions to the issues that they're under way better than the who tends to
get into office. Like most congress people are millionaires that are former lawyers, right, former corporate lawyers, right. And so they tell you this lie that you need some sort of expertise that you only get from.
You got to hire people to do that that know some of those things, right.
But the expertise of knowing how to make ends me understanding how the policies that are coming from you know, coming from Congress or coming from state legislatures, how they actually affect your lives. Like dealing with affordability meant imagine a Democratic party that understood that people were really wrestling with affordability and they were actually able to in a compassionate way talk about how to help people get out of the affordability crisis that people are.
Interrupted in this previous election, right, it probably would have helped them tremendously.
Absolutely, But in order to do that, you need actual working people who have that experience, right, and so so again we've been around for a while and as a result, those people get into office, and then they don't just sit in office not making a difference. I'll just give an example that just happened over the past in New York.
So chay Osa, that is another person who is a young elected official in Brooklyn, working families elected official, and he passed this legislation with his colleagues in city council that for people who are renting, they know whether or not you go through a broker, you pay for a broker fee. It's totally unfair. But now in New York, because Chaos was able to pass that law, that's not the case anymore.
So you can go directly, yes, and do your business.
And you don't have to pay that right now, Why was that unfair policy on the books because the lobby, because the real estate lobby benefited from me, right, right, And so what you have is way too many people on the local level, including a lot of Democrats, who are listening to these lobbyists, right, because they're making deals with these lobbyists, and they're kind of governing with the lobbyists. They're governing with the corporations instead of governing with the people.
The Working Families Party is designed as a third party movement where we govern with the people.
Well, okay, the interviews over.
In fact, in the presidential election, I ran in that door so ready to vote, Like, first couple of days of early voting, started going down Democrat, just giving voting from my people. And when I got to the judges, I got a little stuck because I needed to understand them. And then I started thinking, I'm voting on the wrong line. I don't want to be on this line. So I quick was like, excuse me, what do you do if
you messed up on you? And they were like, oh, we have to void it and go through a process. I say, yeah, I need a void. I have to so that I could vote Work is Family Party.
Yes, And so people who are listening who live in New York or Connecticut, right, they are able to vote on the Working Families line and take advantage of something we call fusion. And it was the law on the
books in every state. You know, way back when, and the reason why it was outlawed in so many states is because fusion was one of the things that allowed everyday people to organize against the status quo hugean voting, so you had parties outside of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party able to bring together coalitions of people on the grassroots level and vote as a block. Right now, it's hard for us as black people to show that
we're voting as a block. We get lost in the sauce because most of us ninety two percent of black women voted for Democrats. Right 'st majority of black men voted for Democrats for a lot of very smart and strategic reasons, especially in this last election, but it's hard to tell how much of us voted for Democrats. So sometimes we get lost in the sauce. In New York and in Connecticut, we know the exact number of Working Families Party voters because we have our own ballot line.
So then we're able to immediately after the election go to these elected officials from the local level all the way up and we could say, these are the amount of voters that voted for you, but they didn't vote
for you. On the Democratic Party line, they voted for you as on the Working Families different values, and so I could say, so our argument was vote for Kamala Harris, but vote for around the Working Families Party because to show because we know you're not voting for Kamala Harris just because she's the Democrat, right, that you're voting for the values of the work.
It should be for the working for the values that the Working Families Party holds.
Yes, Okay, and then and then we could go and have that conversation. And listen, I know as a matter of fact that the conversations I'm able to have with politicians in Connecticut and in New York because we could count those votes when it comes time to governing. That's a different conversation.
That's how long did it take you to get to this point? Because we have a world full of internet experts? Yeah, yes, and they know they know everything.
God bless them.
They know how to start a political party. They know they're gonna do it all.
God bless you will be fixed.
Just because you know that's it. Yeah, well, how long did it take to get to this point? And do you guys run white candidates? Also?
Yeah, listen, we're a multi Racial Party. And so listen, all skin folk and kimfo right, and so are the candidates that we run represent the multiracial working.
CLUI give us some white folks or other people so people will know because they they already turning you off.
This interview has just ended.
They are now saying this is what I'm talking multicultural, multi racial.
We don't want that anymore. We want black.
So talk about some of those other candidates that you guys have.
Absolutely. Let me take for example, Recasar, who's a who's a Latino candidate in Texas. Recorzar, who's also currently the chair of the Progressive Caucus in Congress. He stands on business. That's why we've endorsed him. So in Texas, not only did we support Jasmine Crockett, who I'm sure a lot of people know, we also supported Records are right. Not only are we supporting UH candidates like I said, like Jimani, we're we're support we support aoc R. We ran Cynthia
Nixon against Governor CuMo. Right. Basic, basic, what we've learned, right is that there is a politic that is about the grassroots, about working people, about making sure that there's more money in the pockets of everyday working people, especially
every day working black folks, and more power. And that politics, to me is the lens that we look at when we endorse our candidates, and so those candidates are going to come from different backgrounds, and I would just argue that it's not a zero sum game to talk about a multi multi racial power and also to talk about independent black power, right, because what happens is black people
unfortunately get lost in the sauce. So Black people get lost in the sauce unfortunately sometimes in some of these coalitions, which is why it's important before we join a coalition as black people, we're clear about what our black agenda is. So when we join that coalition, we're joining with the clear black agenda that we're bringing into the picture, and
clear it's a black power. Is when we join coalitions and we're unclear about what our agenda is, then we often find ourselves getting lost in the sauce, which has historically been our experience. Unfortunately, in a lot of democratic party politics, they are hungry for black votes, but oftentimes when it comes to a black agenda, they are looking elsewhere, right. But that's to me on us how sharpers are organizing and.
Talk about how long it took.
So, yes, so Working Families Party, Like I said before, twenty six years, it took twenty six years for the Working Families Party to build to this level. I've been the national director of the Working Families Party for nearly seven years, right, and.
So you started in seven years ago. Sorry, I don't I'm not trying to cut you off, but I know what we got to hit.
So people can understand when.
You started seven years ago, what would you say are the successes or is the success It would be more than one thing. I'm assuming from there into now, like how much has the move moved?
Sure, so in the seven years since I've been the national director, the Working Families Party has grown exponentially, Right, We've we have new chapters. We're in California where we could count one hundred elected officials just in the state of California on the local and state level that are proudly Working Families Party. I just came from the Bay Area where they met and they were fired up. I was with Barbara Lee with one of our candidates she
ran for Senate. Absolutely, yes, listen, and so that that chapter, as well as some other chapters that we built recently are the byproduct of heart organizing, right organizing. So I'm talking hours and hours of conversations, of humble conversations, of back, back and forth struggles about how are we going to build this, How are we going to make sure that our candidates are accountable? How are we going to make
sure that we actually have the resources to run. So we're not just making a point, We're delivering for our people real struggles, right.
You know.
The other thing I would say is like over the past years, look at the city of Philadelphia. So when I started in the city of Philadelphia, the city of Philadelphia was a two party city Democrats and Republicans. Today, because of the hard organizing in the Working Families Party, it is still a two party city with Democrats and
Working Families Party. So we the Working Families Party kicked the two Republicans in city Council in Philadelphia off of the city council and replaced them with Working Families Party only city councilors. So Kendra Brooks is the minority leader and Nicholas or Work is the Minority Whip of Philadelphia. They both are independent voices that both are are black, rest root voices. Kendra comes from nice Town. She is
a working class Black mom, and she governs. She governs in the city of Philadelphia for the people that didn't come through overnight. You know, that started through a long process. You know, when we started, a lot of people didn't think, especially the establishment, didn't think that we would be able to remove the Republicans and replace them of working families party people. There were a lot of doubters, and there
continues to be a lot of doubters. But you know, like I just you know, for anybody who's doubting, look at the results. You know, I asked people to look at our receipts, so one concrete result, not just getting them elected, but in terms of how it actually affects.
People's lives, right right, right.
So, like I said before, we have this affordability crisis, right, we have. We have a crisis where so many we were just talking about it, so many working class Black people, in particular in cities everywhere are finding it harder and harder to stay in their homes because of gentrifications, were being pushed out of our communities. Historical black communities were being pushed out of and so in Philly during the pandemic.
There was a problem because a lot of people were facing evictions, right, and a lot of people couldn't draw a salary right because people are sheltering in place. And so Kendra Brooks, the Independent Working Families Party candidate, she passed a temporary law protecting renters, and so renters couldn't just get pushed out. They had to negotiate with their landlords. Right. That kept a lot of working class people in their home,
and then recently we made it permanent. And so if you look at the trend lines of there's a lot of trend lines for evictions that are going in this direction, but in Philadelphia, the trend line is moving like this because of that policy. So it's important for people to understand these aren't just we're not just making noise, We're not just making a point. We're actually getting people in positions where they could govern. And then when they're in
those positions, they are remembering where they came from. And it's actually been a fitting everyday people. The thing is like, I've heard a lot of people say we need a third party in this country. I couldn't agree more. But I think it's important to look at the history of third parties, you know, so that we can learn from different each now, right, and I don't even I don't even need to go too far, right, so we could go further, but let's just look at what ross Perot did.
That's exactly what we want to get into, right, Yeah, because you know, I'm actually I'm really pleased that so many people were talking about third parties, especially last cycle, and you know a lot of people had our name in their mouths, and I'm happy for that because it allows me to cut to platforms like this and share
more because people are curious. So nineteen ninety two, Ross Paro billionaire, right, he spent all the money in the world, and he started his own party, the Reform Party, and he couldn't break twenty percent, right, So to me, and the lesson that I learned from that is that if your approach is all right, let's find a charismatic person who could run a campaign and run a top down campaign every four years and that will somehow break the
duopoly and break the back of the Democratic and Republican Party. If ross Pero, with all of his money, he was able to just buy blocks of time during during primetime, right, he was able to he couldn't break twenty percent. To me, that strategy isn't viable, especially if you don't have billions of.
Dollars, right and people that they invest that yes, and we're okay, right.
So and I think so that's what that's what I think. Right when I think about third party, I think that the third party serves as an addition to whatever candidate.
Right.
So if we already have a two we already have a two party system, the third party is going to give leverage to the other party.
Right.
And it's like, because we, like you say, the Democrats, we understand pretty much that the Democratic Party has failed us in a lot of ways. But there are a lot of candidates and people from our communities that are in it that need the support of the working family party that you can run them as working family. But they fall under the guys pretty much of them.
Yeah, what happens to them when they if Jimiani was he not a Democrat.
Then initially he wasn't a Democrat. Once he got elected, the Democratic Party embrace embrace them.
So it gives you that power, do you see?
Is a balance is a voting block and there's a voice that says, this is what the working parties, the people in our community want, this is who we want, and then the Democratic Party has no choice because what happens is you drowned out their candidate pretty much, and when they win, they have no choice but embrace yous. So what you start doing is you start and that's what I tell people. You have to retrain in the values. You don't throw the baby away with the bath word
right there. I just think when when I look at the Democratic Party, we have hundreds of black people and a lot of them are good. When we look at Jasmine Crockett and all these people who are under the guise of Democrats, we can't just throw all these people away.
What we have to do is reform.
There's definitely issues, there are definitely people that take advantage of our votes and all that, but we have to say, okay, this is our issue.
This is our party now.
Like when when the working when you come and you say, look, we have we have the power, right, we know what the people want in our community and we know that this two party system won't allow us to do anything outside. But you know that you can't really ruin without us. Because when he talks about ross Paro. That's the problem. Ross Road just said, I'm just gonna run ato the third party, and you don't have no backing from anything else. So what happens is we have to use that as our leverage.
We have to use it.
And what happens is now when we start to take the values of the Working Families Party and we put it into the demo that who were supposed.
To be is in the Democratic Party.
Let me let me, let me, let me, let me break let me, let me break that down from my perspective, because because listen, you're speaking facts, right. One of the ways that I talk about the difference between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, right is that, Okay, in the Republican Party, one hundred percent of their elected officials do not believe in the basic rights or the human
rights of Palestinians. One hundred percent of their elected officials do not believe in the basic rights of black people. One hundred percent of their elected officials either believe in the billionaire agenda or are too fearful to do anything about fighting the billionaire agenda. And that was evident when you saw the number one, number two, or number three billionaire.
Right cabinet member.
Inside the Democratic Party, you have a debate, right, So the Democratic Party, there's a lot of people who I disagree with vehemently. There's a lot of people in the Democratic Party that align with corporate interests. And the Democratic Party is also the party of Summerly and Latifa Simon right and Jamal Bowman right, and Corey Bush right and
Rashida Talib right, Williams and Jimani Williams right. So the Working Families Party wants to represent the interest and support and provide blocking and tackling for them so that they could do the people's business. And long term, we're doing the things to change the structures so that there could actually be a viable multi party democracy. And so we're
doing both. We're engaged in politics today with many of the Democrats who agree with us and many of the people who agree with us, and we're building the independent infrastructure for the third party multi party democracy of the future. And like I said, fusion voting exists in Connecticut and New York, but we want fusion voting to exist in many more states. And we're suing, you know, and we're
engaging in conversations. So fusion voting is the thing that we talked about, where in the ballot you could actually see Democratic Party is one line, Republican is another line, and the Working Families Party is another line, and you could vote on the Working Families Party line and it doesn't dilute your vote because you could choose. I could either vote for Kamala Harris on the Democratic Party line or the Working Family Party line, and either vote counts the same thing.
But it just shows the value that the working Family already brings, because it shows that people are voting for the values of the working families.
That's right. Hundreds of thousands of people just in the state of New York voted on the Working Families Party line, and in many of those cases, the margin of the margin of victory was so slim that if those voters are not voted on the Working Families Party line, that candidate wouldn't have won. So it really does have a significant impact.
Absolutely, Okay, So okay, So I didn't want to spend a lot of time so much time talking about work is Family Party, Working Families Party because you are that, but you got other school. Yeah, absolutely, But I do have to ask you, how does that how do y'all play in the sand box with the Democrats? Like, what
does the what does it look like? Because one of the biggest issues that I face when I tell people you vote on the Working Family I told my girlfriend and she she works at a bank and whatever, and she was like, I need my vote account and I'm scared that you're telling me to do something that's going to mess me up.
Blah blah blah.
So how do y'all play in the sand box together? And I know you said fusion, but maybe I didn't get it.
So let me just let me just break it down. We cook what we have in the kitchen. Some places like New York and Connecticut, we use fusion voting, and that allows for you to be able to vote on the Working Families party line without spoiling, without wasting your vote. It actually empowers you. Right, But we don't have fusion voting everywhere, and so where we don't have fusion voting, and also in New York, we like to get busy
in primaries. We like to find those people that have a d nex to their name for Democrat, but we have decided that they are not accountable in any way. Right when it comes, you know, like they're not accountable. They got to this place either they came in listening to the corporations, or they have gotten to this place where they believe that they're entitled to their to their role, that they're entitled to their seat, and they're not listening
to the people. They're not being responsive to the people. And we primary those those Democrats, we kick them out of office. The reason Jamal Bowman was in office was because somebody who had been there for years needed to go.
Right.
He was he wasn't even living in his district. Right, This is how entitled they get. They don't even live in their district after a while, right, and so and then a lot of them for them, this isn't about service, this is this is a this is a business, you know, And so they got to go right, and so the Working Families Party, we build coalitions from the grassroots with unions like you know, like the unions that that that my parents came out of, right and grassroots organizations, and
we build that coalition on the ground. We find candidates who we who we believe are actually accountable. We run them, and we often are able to primary and win. People have been there for years people have the backing of all these corporations, because when real advocates run, you could see that difference and see, like the the the reason why somebody like Summerly, why Apak and the corporations have to send millions and millions and millions and millions of
dollars against her, she still wins. Shows that that that formula works as well as it does when you have somebody who can't be bossed around, won't be bought, is a true advocate people in the community know where to be stand up. You add that with the resources and support of grassroots organizations and then also the support of Working Families Party that's been around for twenty six years and other organizations, and then that grassroots coalition wins every time.
And that's why we believe that over time we could shift our politics closer to the people. But it requires the people to believe that it's possible, which is why being on this platform and having this conversation so important, because people say, like, we need it's happening.
It's happening, It's happening in.
This It's a process.
And I tell people this all the time and they're like, oh, we just the frustration that I have with our people is we don't see and it's designed for us not to see the strategy. Like when we talk about what happened in black wall streets and how the burnt down and how they constantly disenfranchises right in this moment, that's the strategy that's happening right now. We don't We're not realizing it because we were just saying.
Oh, the Democrats, is they just term where everything's gone? We need to get No.
What happened is they've watched black people a man so much power with the wealth within this party. Like when I went to the Democratic National Convention, it looked like it was just a black reunion.
Right.
So when you start to see that, they say, Okay, we have to disenfranchise. We have to make it see dismantle it. We have to completely make it seem like woke is the worst thing in the world. You say, black lives matters, everything that we fought for. They have to they have stained it, right because they've seen us gaining the power.
Yeah, and I want to I want to drill down here the reason why when one of the reasons why we endorse Kamala Harris is our focus on governing right, And I want to explain if we were able to in this last selection at a democratic president, get a Democratic Congress with a Democratic House, why is that so important to us? So that summerly, Jasmine Crockett, you know, many of the people we talked about, Latifa Simon could
be in a position to govern right right. So if it's just about personalities, it's hard to really understand the value and it's like, oh, I don't like Kamala or I heard this, or it's about putting our people in a position to govern for our people. And in the Democratic Party, we've been able to organize a cadre of independent black voices that stand on business and best believe
the corporations. The lobbyists were aware of that, and when they were trying to shut us down and they were trying to drown us with misinformation and disinformation, unfortunately recruit some folks in our community, right, it was about that. That's what it was about. They understood what was at risk for their corporate agenda if we put people like Latifa Simon in a position to govern in the House, right like they actually understood that, which is why it
was so important to confuse some people. Luckily most people in our community didn't get it twisted. But the thing that I'm always thinking about when it comes to that misinformation and disinformation is not, oh, that's going to lead to millions of black folks voting for Trump. If they confuse enough of us, it might mean enough of us are unclear how to vote, and therefore enough of us are not going to vote right. And to me, that's
my greatest fear. And I think when you look, you know, we're still we're still breaking down what happened in that election. But millions of people who we know agree with our values didn't turn up right. And I have to imagine being confused by all that misinformation led to some percentage of our folks.
Uncle. Definitely. Yeah, I've had conversations with people that I had to just.
Unwind just the misinformation and say, well, where did you get this information? Well they said who? They said, like, here's the facts, and oh, well I didn't know that. And it's like they were constantly being fed just lies and lies and just missing and it's like today somebody just came on my page told my commas not black and all this.
It's just like how do how do we keep having these comments?
And that's the same thing, in my judgment, that's the same problem we have whenever we talk about boycotts.
Right.
I was saying to you off air that one of the problems that I see today is there's so many different people talking. Everybody has a voice, everybody is an expert, as I said, and that is in and of itself misinformation, not even because what they're saying is not true, but it's that some of these folks who are talking about what to do do not know what it takes to actually do it. And so you might not be able to say, well, we don't need we don't need Kroger.
But when Kroger is the only place that people have to go eat, you can't just be like, we don't need Kroger. Especially some of us who are sitting in very privileged places. We have to be able to say we don't need Kroger because on Wednesdays we're going to be delivering boxes of food, which is what we did in Kentucky. Right for months, we were feeding people so that they didn't have to because Kroger was criminalizing them, assuming that anybody. First of all, they closed for a while.
As you know, it was protest going on til Kroger was closed and it was the only supermarket in the West end of Louisville, Kentucky. And so we said, okay, well we're going to bring food boxes out with you know, roots and vegetables and things. Now, of course, there was some people was like, what I'm gonna do with that egg plant? I don't eat egg plant. But we weren't just feeding black people. It's other people who live in
that area. So we might be able to do college greens, but then what about you know, other families that needed other things.
So that's just a little antidote.
But nonetheless, we tried to say, okay, so Kroger's closed, we don't want that to be the focus. So let's figure out how we bring people what they need so they're not dependent on or feeling like, get this protest shit out of here because y'all over here protesting, and meanwhile.
They won't open our supermarket. So's there there is.
So there's so many needs of our people, and when they're online and everybody is saying and doing and this and that, it makes people feel like I just can't I can't do it. I don't know. I don't even want to vote. Y'all telling us when we go down there, they might beat us up, telling us that we might not have our names on the Liz, you're telling us don't vote on Democratic tickets. You're telling us I vote don't count. Like it's so many messages coming at once.
I don't even know what we're supposed to do.
Don't worry about it, and on whose platform? Sucker birth right?
I'm all right, right, right, right, but yeah, but they got hoteps in your family too, now that know a lot of things, and they be smart. I'm not. You know, I'm not against it because sometimes brothers be checking me a little bit on things, and I be like, okay, I see you, bro. But sometimes, you know, I listen to some of the things that they say, and I'm like, I've been.
Doing this for thirty years.
And I know what some of the challenges are. Because those of us who are willing to make the sacrifice the shifts to the working family. Yes, and we have to grow the base.
That's correct.
That's first before we can say forget this party or that thing or this set spoken like a true organizer, right, got to grow the base and.
There's ways that if you aren't listening to the base, even if what you're saying is factually correct, even if the policies are correct, even if you're right, because you didn't listen to the base, you now have a wedge
between you and the base, absolutely right. So your people are looking at you like what do you because you weren't humble enough and you weren't rigorous enough in that organizing to always listen to the base to hear like all right, well listen like, yes, yes, a boycott would be great as a tactic, but in order for us to earn the ability to boycott, we need to make sure that our people are fed, that our people feel a connection to the like when people people you know,
go back in history, people talk about the Montgomery bus boycott, right that they organize the Planta to get there. It wasn't a snap decision because they needed to sustain the boycott. That caused a significant amount of duress on the people because now you got to walk to work, right now, you gotta you know, yeah, and you know, they have to organize all types of different arrangements to make sure that people got to where they need to go to right.
That is a logistical and organizing sort of commitment to your people. So you have to consider those things before you say let's do this, let's do that, and so you earn the right to be able to do attack.
Right.
You know, we got to earn also every day we I mean Coreta Scott King said that that freedom is not given. It's not a given. Every generation has to earn it. And in order to earn it, you have to show the people that you're trustworthy and stable enough for them to follow what you are offering them.
I got to ask you this question.
Because you gotta go. Okay, elections is coming up.
Are you optimistic?
What do we need to do?
Okay, listen, So I considering this is just the second week of the Trump administration, right, I actually have a lot of optimism, and I'll explain why. I don't know if folks followed the Maga civil war that took place even before they got into office, where Elon Musk and some of the tech Maga people were arguing with the traditional Maga people. And then the other thing I noted is that Trump was talking a lot about groceries, and a lot about affordability, a lot about eggs and eggs.
Right.
If you notice he has abruptly pivoted. He's not talking about that anymore. Right, And the eggs, oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely yeah, the price of eggs are going up. Right, he has pivoted already. Right, And to me, and we were saying this, we were we were saying this in real time. We've been saying this, right, that this is a grift, that he is a billionaire that is in league with other billionaires. He is not a true populace.
He's not concerned about the price of eggs or making things affordable for your family.
Right.
Not everybody got that message. Some people voted for Trump, not because they're maga. Some people voted even some people of color, some black folks voted for Trump based on quote unquote the economy.
Right.
But this is a mask off moment. So people saw him next to the richest people on the planet. And he has some tax cuts he has to pay for. He has a bunch of policies he has to pay for. Where's he going to pay for those things. He's going to be looking at Medicaid, He's going to be looking at SNAP, He's going to be looking at programs that allow everyday people to survive. Elon Musk even said that. He said it's going to be painful, it's going to be harder.
He said he might have to put everybody on welfare or something like that.
Yeah, so Elon is saying the quiet part out loud because.
You don't care.
This is emboldened white privilege. This is a billionaire white privilege that I can say what I want. And it's just when you watch that, it confuses me how people see something else.
It's like it's a part time South Africa white privilege. What's that? And so here's the.
For him, this is his natural habitats coming home, yes, coming yes, Yes. And the thing is sorry, Mama made it like we did it in America. Yes, when I told you I was leaving here to go to America, I promised you that one day we would see what they stopped us kind.
Of from doing over here. Begin again.
That's right over there, that's right, that's right, that's right, it's the prodigal son, right and so and so here's something deep. It's deep. You think about the psychology of these people. And the point I'm making is what gives me hope is number one people have eyes and ears. Our people aren't stupid. People are not stupid. And many of the people, I mean, I'm even seeing it in the discourse online, including many of our folks who might
have thought, well, we're voting for the anti establishment. You can get more establishment than all the billionaires in the world lining up.
With you know.
So it's clear. And so I have a lot of hope for the organizing that we could do over the next two years to flip because they have a very very slim majority.
In the House, super slim the day.
And the other thing to note is that they aren't very disciplined. They tend not to be disciplined when it comes time to govern, right, So whether or not they're going to be able to make those slim majorities actually matter is a different question because they have so many Look, they have the ultra ultra ultra Maga wing inside inside Congress right, and they're blowing things up left and right right, and so whether or not they're going to be able to make peace with them in order to govern as
a different story. But the thing is whether whether or not that's true. The people are going to learn quickly quickly, they're going to learn quickly that they are governing by for and with billionaires. It's a true mask off moment. And now it's the job for organizers and also the job for people who have platforms, and thank god we have this platform right to tell the truth about it, right, So over the next two years, the people could get information. So I have a lot of confidence that we'll be
able to flip Congress in these two years. The other thing I want to say is that there are so many opportunities. So people who are watching and they might want to know, well, what can I do about it? I've seen what's transpired. I'm concerned about these anti DEI policies and I know the words diversity, equity and inclusion policies right, because that's what it is, right, and I understand how my impact, my family or my impact. The thing that we need to do is again is to
organize on the local level, right, And there's opportunity. Presidents aren't kings, at least today, they aren't right, right, And as long as they're not kings, and as long as power exists on multiple levels in this country, what's going on in your school board, right, what's going on in your city? And this is why I say that I want to go back to the Ross Pero strategy. Every four years, Let's let's find somebody to run for president. Then you're not focused on school board, right, You're not
focused on city council. You're not focused on what's happening in your county district attorney. That's where so much of the governing happens. In fact, most of the things that we're concerned with, like well, the quality of education for my children, or whether or not it is still affordable in the city that's zoning, zoning is city council, right, All of those things happen on the local level. And so many of those things they know that you know, I'm sure people are watching, are.
Busy, are hustling and tired of.
It and tired right, and and aren't close political observers, and are are locked in like the people here, right, which is why we have organizations. Right. Organizations exist so that with the time that you do have, we can make sure that that time is the most effective. And there's organizations like the Working Families Party that are on the local level. And we're recruiting people for school board, for city council, for county, so that they could run
and win. And so this year they say it's an off year, but so many of those elections are happening this year, and then next year the entire House of Representatives is up for reelections.
So we're gonna we're gonna work together. Absolutely, we're gonna be together.
Where do you get the motivation? Like, what would your childhood to do this work? Where are you from?
Okay, So I'm from not too far from here, from a working class suburb of New York called Long Beach. I grew up in Long Beach, I was born. I was born in the late seventies, nineteen seventy nine, and my parents are working class people who came from the Caribbean. My grandmother came here as a domestic worker and she worked. She left like ten children in Trinidad and worked in the houses of other people Monday through Friday on Long Island and during the weekend, she didn't have a home.
And the reason we actually got our bearings in that community. That's an example of black solidarity. Actually, I actually spoke in Long Beach at the m OK event in Long Beach this past at this past MKDA and I brought up this story my grandmother. Again, she's an immigrant from this country, knew this country, working Monday through Friday in the homes of white folks, taking care of their children, taking care of their families, away from all of her
children during the weekend. Sometimes she would just sit in the park in Long Beach. Right, there's a park in Long Beach in the center of town. And a woman who is a church elder, a black woman, noticed her. Could have passed her by, but noticed her, and she's like, what are you doing sitting there? And my grandmother explained, well, I work in these people's home Monday through Friday. During the weekend. This is often where I'll sit and you catch a break and she's like, you know, people, you
don't have any places to stay. And that day she was like, you staying with me, right, you staying with me. And because of that, that led to a whole chain of events that led to me being here. Wow, you know, And so what I took from that and my experience of growing up with my family, we had a very big family, a lot of aunties and uncles, a lot of cousins. You know, you're hip hop artist, so you know, I grew my cousin God rest his whole MF doom
you know, yeah, shout out. We all grew up together in this community, and we supported one another, and if there were people who had a need, just like that church elder looked out for my grandmother, we made sure that they had a place to stay. If there were people who needed work, oftentimes my grandmother would be like,
stay here, I'll find work for you, right. And so I grew up with the family that you know, they didn't know they were organizers, but they were organizers, right, And so it was normal and it is normal for me to understand that family is not just the people whose blood you might share. It is the family that you creates here and now. And that's how Black people, in whatever condition we've ever been in, whenever we've been able to persevere, it's been because of the community that
we build. And so when I do this work, it's in honor of my grandmother, and it's in honor of the people that chose to lean in and build community so I could be where I'm at. And I try to apply that in politics. So I don't look at politics as a dirty word, right, because when I think about politics, I think about democracy. Democracy is just the things we do together, right, And so how can we flip it?
Right?
They want you to think democracy is dirty, so they could have all this boils, right, But democracy is just what we do together and how we share. In the richest country in the history of countries, how can we share all of this so that we could be more whole? And when I see them try to do the divide and conquer, then I know what it is. It's like, look immigration, right, they want black folks to fight for crumbs to decide who's going to be the permanent underclass.
That's it.
Is it going to be black folks or is it going to be immigrants. Well, let's stop finding for crumbs and let's come together as black folks and have the entire pie. Right. Or what if we came together and started an alliance, black and brown alliance and we start
we have the entire bakery. Right. So, in the richest country in the history of countries, how can I sit here and fix my face in protest of another working person that maybe they don't share my heritage, but they're just trying to struggle like me, A mother, a mother who's a migrant from from Venezuela. Right, who's trying to make ends meet?
Right?
How do I fix my face having a problem with her when my problem is with the billionaires and the corporation.
Yeah, you more mad at miss Mary, then you are mister Elon and mister so and so and mister whoever.
Come on and just pick another divide And that's just one thing. They want us to be more mad at the fact that transgender people are trying to live their lives where they're trying to live their lives, Like why am I Why am I here out here mad at transgender people? How is me being mad at transgender people or my discomfort with their lives? How does that make my life better?
We just talked about this conversation we have to You're gonna kill us because I was about to say what you cannot answer? How would birthright citizenship have a ending? Or not having birthright citizenship? How would that have impacted your family? You know so? But anyway you can't answer.
It's part to part.
Director of the working families.
Oh yeah, we could go and you could.
They divided.
They divide us against the teelers, they call them.
But then I guess they get turn it all.
To separate us. There's so many different.
God bless Malcolm X. And you know his mom, his mom from Grenada. That's so god bless Malcolm. I'm so happy that his mom immigrated from Grenada so that we can have a Malcolm X exact but we can have that conversation.
Thank you for being here. Thank you so much.
By shout out to Maurice mitchell Man.
That was an excellent interview.
So much more to discuss, yes, so much more to.
Unpack that we could. We could have been here for a whole nother hour.
For sure. There's a lot of things that because I wanted to ask him about this whole you know, Senator entering a bill that would allow Trump to have a third term.
It just with so many.
Things I don't get it today is I am so confused at the ignorance of people, right because we had an election.
You know, people voted for Trump, people voted.
For Kamala, and the election is over, and there are people who actually are mad because now that the election is over. Those of us who understand the political process, understand civics and engagement, understand how laws are made, to understand how advocating for things work, are still talking about what's going on in America. We're talking about the president
who was elected president of America. We're talking about policies that he's putting into activation, and they're saying, why don't you just go away now because the election is over. You lost, just shut up, And that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. We voted because we wanted America to look a certain way, So all right, we didn't get
the candidate that we wanted. But this president is the president of the United States and he's actively signed executive orders that is affecting our life within seven days.
So we're supposed to just go sleep.
See, this is why I don't understand half these people that I know that they don't get it. This shit ain't no basketball game where you're a Nick fan and I'm a Lebron fan and after the game we shake hand, we just go and we're just supposed to just be a sore loser or just shut up. No, this is real life. This is real life shit that's happening. Well, these people affecting our lives. So you thinking that now that Trump is elected president because I voted for comment.
And she didn't win, that now I'm supposed to shut up.
I'm gonna get even louder because I know he's activating policies that's gonna affect my life trying to every day. So I'm going to get louder. I'm gonna be on the front line. I'm you gonna see me way more. I'm gonna do so much shit now because I know that he's trying to disenfranchise my people and and do got people scared to death. You got people on the
internet crying. You got migrants and immigrants. You got people who are not even they just are from you know, Hispanic descent and seeing their people getting sh Latino.
I've been being educated.
So you got people from Latino descent that are just being crying online. You got black people. That's a black lady he was saying that they shipped her family off. That was from the Caribbean, and that was from different parts of Haitia whatever that were being shipped out. It's not just affecting them. So this shit is really going on. And y'all think that we're supposed to be quiet now
because he won an election. Hell no, when he won the first election, I wasn't quiet, and I was telling you that he was a threat to democracy, that he was a threat to black people. And now that y'all see it, it's real crazy to me, right, because it was so many blacks for Trump that was very loud that I haven't seen lately.
Right in the last week, I haven't heard them say anything.
The most thing they're gonna talk about is, oh, yeah, he said it's only two genders. That's what I'm talking about. That's all I'm worried about. So you sold out of democracy. You saw a lot of people down the line because you needed him to tell you that it was only two genders. And you think because Trump says only two genders, that the people that identify as another agenda don't identify no more. So they just they just disappear off the planet.
They don't want them, as we were saying early, they don't want these people to get to have resources.
Yeah, but the bottom line is you're not gonna stop nobody from being who they is because you don't want them to be you.
So you you.
Internalize that shit so much that you you said, fuck it, they can have civil rights, they can have all the shit that our incestors died and for we we'll just start from the beginning. As long as they ain't saying that it's a transgender we don't want we just don't want to hear. But and that ain't even affecting your
life every day. So you thought that was enough to say, fuck all the shit that black people fought for for years, and then you think it's enough for me to be quiet, that I'm gonna just be quiet because Trump is the president now and common laws, so now we're just supposed to go go just hide under the stairs and just say nothing. This this is what these people say. Oh man, you're gonna cry. You're gonna keep knowing. I'm not crying. I'm mistake truth to power. Every day I'm gonna call
out bullshit. But I'm not crying though, because I don't know already to crying. Shit is over at this point. You got to roll up your sleeves. You gotta put your heart boots on, you gotta put your hard hat on.
You gotta get on this front line because this ship is real.
And the same people that want me to shut up is gonna be the same people that say, yeah, man, tell him, tell him again, tell the truth, because y'all gonna y'all gonna fuck y'all done fucked around, and y'all about to find out. But it's cool because we was already prepared for this. We we was mentally prepared. It took me a minute because I understood, but this man did the ship that I thought he was gonna take in a couple of months in seven days.
So we were in for some.
Shit, but he didn't do that. Okay, I just want to make sure because it's I don't want to diminish it, because what you're saying is powerful and true that he is doing things and the culture is shifting. So because he's getting rid of DEI you see corporations and others, excuse me, because he's getting rid of diversity, equity and inclusion in federal spaces, which is the only thing he can control. But the culture will shift in his direction.
So I don't want to diministrate, but I will say that things like birthright, citizenship and other areas that he's working on, there are in fact levels to how it has to happen. Now because he has control of the Supreme Court, the Senate, and Congress, will some of those things happen, absolutely, But we already saw a federal judge block birthright citizenship, so or trying to end birthright citizenship,
you know that's been blocked by a federal judge. So he is attempting to do And I just think that's very important because I don't want people to think that in seven days he was able to do everything. But they definitely.
Diffor any people.
They deported the wrong person or the wrong two people the other day. And you see what happened in Newark, New Jersey. So there's a lot of terrible things happening. And there are people who are gonna say, I'm not paying attention because I ain't you know, the immigrants. I ain't gonna I'm not gonna get myself all upset about that because what they didn't vote, and this didn't happen, and excuse me, and this didn't happen and whatever, And we could try to do that for as long as
we want. But I think that my point from earlier, I just I'm just circling back to it that white supremacist, white nationalists, whatever one you want to call them, they don't just dislike one group of people. They might not be as loud about their disdain for a particular group of people, but they don't like us all and they are watching and saying, Okay, we don't got to worry about it too much because they still arguing.
Over The thing for me is not that you don't like me because you don't have to like them.
Well, I'm just saying that's where but that's where their motivation comes from.
No, it's not even.
Their motivation comes from the fact that they want to impose their will right, they want control. They don't like they don't like anyone that's not them. So the reality is when you're able to utilize your power in the fact that you don't like me to negatively impact me, Well, I don't care if they like me.
Bottom line is I don't I could care less.
I understand that. But I'm saying when I say don't like me, that's very like.
No, I get what you said.
I'm saying that we all in the same boat with them. So it's not about like, like, you're my friend. It means we're they target all of us. They are looking at all of us with a level of disdain that allows them to try to do the things that they're trying to make sense, So that's that for.
That, that's that on That brings us to the end of another episode of TMI. Shout out to our brother Maurice Mitchell who came and have some gems on us. We definitely got to have more Rechack on the show because he knows a lot.
Absolutely, he's very very knowledgeable, very very knowledgeable.
I'm not gonna always be right, tamik It. The Maveri's and I canna always be wrong, but we will both always and I mean always be authentic PA.
That's how we own it.