The Fight for Ta'Neasha Chappell

But we know that it is not easy to get the attention of the world when black women die, UM, and particularly when they die at the hands of the state UH and those people who are supposed to protect us. And so it takes a lot of work. And I'm glad to see that many of the blogs are starting to pick up the story. I saw the The Jasmine Brand talking about it after I had asked him um

to please cover this situation. UH. And by the way, just to give a shout out to Roland Martin, as he was the first journalist to take on the story of Tekenisianship Chappelle. UH from a you know from a from a very serious perspective. I mean, he put, you know, a lot of the footage into his coverage to really give a serious view into what took place in that jail when Technisha became sick and begged for help for hours, literally for two days she was sick, and no one

did anything to help her, and then she died. Um. And I don't want to, you know, give too much sort of in this sort of pre context about the situation, because we're going to be joined today by her sister, who has been a serious advocate. She's really been on the front lines fighting for her sister, UM, really supporting her mother. UM. And she's gonna be joining us. And also the attorney for the family who we many of us learned about and got to know through Brianna Taylors

family because he was that family attorney as well. He still is. His name is Sam Agar and now he is the attorney for Teennisia Chappelle's family, and so he's gonna be joining us also today. So we've got to save a lot of time to make sure that we get them on and are able to hear from them and really sort of just figure out what we can do. So that's that on that. But let's talk about what's been going on in the news, because there is a

lot happening, a lot happening. Um. You know, I think that too many people are either so tired, so busy, trying to get back into the real world, if you will. They've got a lot going on. That's one side. Then there are people who are just willfully ignorant, and some folks who are not necessarily ignorant, but just unwilling to deal with the stress of what is happening in the media. But I think people need to be very very mindful that what we see in terms of this war that

has just begun. In the last few days, the last three days, um, we saw Russia go in and and and invade Ukraine. UM and and a lot of people I see them online saying we can't be worried about other people's affairs that doesn't impact us. We've got our own stuff to deal with. And I agree, I agree a hundred percent that there is too much happening right here on us soil, uh, that we have to address and that we have to still be fighting for them.

We can't allow the federal government to be so caught up in dealing with international affairs that they somehow overlooked the voter suppression that's happening in this country, because there are elections happening all over the country where I'm hearing

people say that their voter suppression efforts. I just had a conversation with Lead Merit, who's running for Attorney General UM in Texas, and he said that there's so many different issues happening with ballots being closed that you know, the excuse me, polling locations being closed because of ice UM and the cold that is there in Texas, but then also mail in ballots being rejected at the largest numbers that they have ever seen in Texas since they've

been accepting mail in ballots, And when they try to reach out to the federal government, it's like, well, there's a lot going on with Ukraine. So I understand that. But nonetheless, if we know anything about war, and we understand that our government is going to get involved because America is the superpower at the table, at the table with NATO UM, which is where all of the sort of the the State of the Union, which means all

of these UM countries come together UM. And as we get involved and we start putting sanctions on Russia, knowing that the previous administration already gave the keys to the castle to Russia. We know what they did with the election when Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton. We saw them um with the box online and the cyber attacks that we received, and so they haven't changed. In fact, they've already started to launch cyber attacks against the banking

system and systems and other things in Ukraine. So that is going to be our reality very soon. Gas prices are already high, we're already in inflation. But this will cause more devastation, which will ultimately trickle down to more gun violence and more issues in our community. So that's what I have to say about it. I don't know what you think, but this is not something that we can ignore. World War three is is upon us, and we know that American truths. Our children will also be

impacted by what has taken place overseas. I think a lot for a lot of us, you know, war is so far removed. It's like the the things you see in the movies and you hear about. You know, we come from a generation where we haven't really experienced war in that in that you know capacity, so a lot of it it's not real to us, right and a lot of times, you know, I remember seeing it, like you know, war and sport on foreign lands. It doesn't really a touch. As we grow, we understand that the financial,

you know, effects that the war has on everybody. You know, as you said, American being the superpower and having allies, you know, when war is it happens. We have to protect our interests in some regards. You know, if we are trading with countries, if you know, we have different business deals and and and deals that we have going on with these countries, then we have to be in off these wars. And ultimately, like you said, these people will have our babies sign up for wars. You know,

we already have. Our military will be in there. You know, lives will be lost. You know, there's a lot of things that come with wars. So when we think that it doesn't affect us, it's not really accurate at all, you know, it's it's actually quite the opposite affects us a lot. We we, like you said, our previous administration pretty much gave Russia the keys. You know, they were able to be able to infringe upon our election. So if they have any type, they have that technology and

they have the skill level. When you talk about banks, you know, our banking system, and I'm being able to attack our banks and our money, then that's gonna hurt us in a in a big way, you know. And I was like I was saying today, you know, we never knowe war is such a crazy thing because we don't know what we're fighting for. Most of the town. Right, every country that's going to the war has a completely

different narrative about why the war is. You know, I was listening to CNN, and we have a narrative here why the war is and improved in the same that he's protecting people who have been you know, have been prisoners and have been there will have been opposed upon them, and he's protecting people. You know. So when you look at both sides, everybody thinks that they're like and every reason for war is just and it's just so crazy.

And in us, as just civilians and citizens who live in the country, we don't know nothing but what the news tells us. We don't know, like when we especially when when we when we pay attention to prior wars, right when we look about how the war when drugs were being and guns were being sent to different countries, and they were being funded by one person, and when people were funding in all these things, we didn't know what we were fighting for. We were told this was

the reason we fight. We always told that this is one reason we fight, and then we find out years later that it's over sudden, totally different. So, you know, I just it's just an unfortunate situation. We're just living real crazy times, and technology makes it so much more easy to not to get information, but also to lie, to trick information to you know, to give you misinformation disseminated so fast that nobody knows what's going on. So right now I don't know what the hell is going on.

I know what people are telling me we fight, you know that that Ukraine and Russia and everything is fighting over, but I actually don't know what the hell it is, and I don't think we ever will until you know, there's a whistle blower and somebody saw us to devolge the information what really happened, Because it's just so it's so ironic. As soon as you know the prior administration was buddy buddy with prove it, you know as soon

as this happens. Now it's war like. I just don't know what these chess plays that these people are making and how you know how they pretty much get mooed a live, yeah, gamble with our lives. And I'll tell you the trauma that people are experiencing from all of this stuff. It's a lot, you know, I UM speaking of trauma. Just looking at this week, we um won in the civil rights matter. Um, the federal government was able to secure conviction of hate crimes against the McMichaels

and the other guy. I don't even know his name and I'm not even gonna try to remember it. But the murderers of Ahmad are very and it's a when for sure. And listen, we talk about accountability and justice, and we know that justice looks like not even having a mod are very dead right, not even having to talk about this and have his mother and father and others struggling and stressing and fighting fighting to try to

get a little bit of accountability. UM, we don't want to see anymore a mod are reason, and so we know that that's what real true justice looks like. Uh. Of a world where our young babies boys, UM, and and men and of course women as well, But in this particular situation, just thinking of a young man, um that that they would be safe, that's real justice. And accountability was having the men convicted in the state court, right,

that was accountability. But I would say that the federal hate crimes laws starts leaning in the direction of justice only if we can get the federal government to look at this not as just a mad are very but to look at hate crimes that are being inflicted upon our people around this nation. And that includes policing, it includes just white supremacy in general. Um and and that's what real justice needs to look like and what we need to be pushing towards. We can't stop, right because

uh and I know the trauma. As you said, it's a it's a heavy time because you go up in terms of getting a conviction of the McMichaels and in the the mod arevery matter. But then you turned around and in the Dante right situation, you have an officer only receive eighteen months UM in jail after murdering this young boy. So we know that there's always pushback and

and it's not gonna be easy. Like we don't get to fight a little bit or just winning a mod areby, and then the movement shuts down and people go home because you still have the Dante rights and so many other people that need justice, and so you know, I just I'm happy that it happened. But I can imagine what Wanda Cooper and um and a Mod's father, what they have been through. They've they've been through a lot, man, and you know, just looking at this whole situation, like

you said, it's moving towards justice. Account is definitely accountability, but it is moving towards justice. And you know, they actually declared February three, I'm out our every day, so you know, you know, you do you celebrate. We we would rather I know the parents in the world would rather have him out our birth. But you know, I apologize, Ms Cooper, don't kill me, but yes, the world would rather have and I know Ms ms Cooper would definitely

rather have her son. But to see that change is slowly happening because of the situation and people are being held accountable and we're moving towards justice, you know, it's definitely something that makes us believe that our fight isn't in vain. You know, because I'm not gonna lie. Being a part of this movement, being on the front line sometimes it's you know, you get to ay out your whistle. Man, It's just like, damn, we're just fighting. We're just fighting

a no win battle, you know. Like we always say, we our goal is to never have to work again. You know, we don't have a job. We gotta go. That's right, that's right. Unfortunately that's not the reality. So we're just gonna keep on fighting, moving in the right direction, you know. And and shout out to shout out to jan Da Cooper for calling out um, the d o J and everybody in between. And shout out to Kristen clark Um. She is the Assistant Attorney General for the

Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice. And I know her. I know her very well, Um, and I know that her heart is really in this and that she wants to do the right thing. But nevertheless, when you work within the system, just like us we work in the movement, we get challenged all the time. She's going to be challenged also. Her back is going to be pushed against the wall. Um Merrick Garland, he as our as the the the the the the top cop in America. His back is going to be pushed against

the war. Don't care how mean time Ty cries on TV, how much they make it sound like they so upset and everybody people are going to push them. And Wanda Cooper called them out and said, if it had not been for us fighting to stop you from giving a plea deal to these men, where they would be actually have to go to court and and and and face their the music for what they did. They can't just cover it up and disappear. No, they gotta go to court.

That's what she wanted. She wanted them to be convicted in the court. And they did it. The Department of Justice did their job after being told no, a plea deal will not work. The community stood with them. And so shout out to miss Cooper for standing there and saying, I'm the one we made you do this to get this conviction today is badass. She don't play the games. That lady, don't play no games. First time I met, I never saw a smile one time. She never smiled.

She was always there, she was loving, very loving, but the smile was not there. Man. She she warmed up to us and she became my family, but that lady don't play no games. He doesn't. So we were honored

this week. I wasn't able to go because I was one of those people in contact with UM, the the the Lieutenant Governor of New York State, Brian Benjamin, who contracted COVID and he was positive and we were hugging and whatever else, and so I had to get tested and PCRs take twenty four hours and dotted all of the things. So I wasn't able to be there, but we did receive a special honor this week. You attended,

you were honored as well, So tell us about what happened. Yeah, Shout out to the Windows of Hip Hop UM and the Elements Awards, the Hip Hop Elements Awards. They honored us for our contribution two you know, the hip hop culture through civil rights and through our activism. And it was a beautiful event. Shout out to my brother Amadez. Shout out to Mellie mel Grandmaster Cast. Shout out to every Vanessa L. Gibson who was in the house, brons

Boro President. It was a real very nice event. You know, I've been there, It's probably my third time I was there when the honored Fat Joe So Me and you were amongst the honorees, along with Amadez and a Boogie who wasn't able to make it either, who was got caught from a flight from across seas that couldn't make it in time. So but it was a beautiful eventman, So shout out to them for honor me. It's always

a beautiful thing to be honored by your home. You know, I've been screaming b X and Bronx as a hip hop artist for so long and representing that so long. So when you recognize and honored by the people that you actually stand for is a different feeling. So shout out to them. Wow, I'm happy that you were. When they said they were honoring me, I was like, I kind of get how. You know, I try my best to make sure that I'm relevant in the culture, but

I see you being that Honorrey even more. Um And while it was happening happening, the awards was happening, I was so sad that I wasn't there, But I text you, like, you really deserve this because you do represent the Bronx and you know, and as an artist, I don't think that people and you're not alone. It's a lot of artists out here that are not properly noticed for the work that you guys do and just being an artist

dealing with all the stuff that comes with artistry. UM, I've watched you do that, and I know how challenging it is, especially to try to go against sort of the the trend and really stay true to you, to your artistic flavor and who you are. So I'm proud of you and proud of us, and thank you so much to the Elements what is it called again, the Element, the Hip Hop Elements for giving us that that honor.

So speaking of artists, you know, I um and you and I have had world war battles off screen about this issue with Meg the Stallion and Tory Lanes, And you know, my thought of the day today is around that. I think my thought of the day is that black women are so tired. We are so tired that it's at the point where I'm so triggered by what is happening to Meg the Stallion that yesterday, among my own being tired for everything that I have going on, I

literally started to cry. It's not that there are people out there who probably are like, oh, that's because you just have decided that, um, you know, she that that that Tory Lane shot her. And you and I have had debate about this because when when she said that she was shot, which by the way, she didn't say anything in the beginning, but at the time that she was certainly certainly being antagonized by him, and she came out and said, you shot me. You were an advocate

from them to say, why would she lie? If she says that he shot her, then I'm gonna believe her

until he proves that he didn't. And there was a lot of back and forth about that, and eventually after you and I went back and forth because and in my position wasn't that he did or he didn't, but my position was more so that because there is so little information out there, the way in which you advocate for her, you have to be careful because he could go out and star suing people saying that folks are you know, making accusations against him and defaming his character,

and you might be caught up in that. So, you know, we went back and forth on what was the best way for you to approach it, and then one day I woke up and saw that you posted that you know what I thought about it, and I want to apologize for um the way in which I'm I am. I'm stating this because I don't know exactly what happened, but I just don't believe that this woman has a reason to make up a lie. So I know you have some back and forth, you know, all of that,

all the things that happened. So I sat and really have just watched, which I would hope that most people would do the same thing. Right, No one is saying I am not saying that because I'm triggered by what is going on with her now that that's because I know for sure that Tory Lane shot make this value. That is not my position at all. My position is that none of us know what happened, right, none of us know. But there is a woman who is a victim.

She is a victim, and she says that she was shot, and the way that she is being treated, and what makes it triggering to me is that she is being treated very similarly to other women who have come forward in their lives to report rape, domestic violence, and other very serious issues. It is always our fault and that our story doesn't make sense, and people finding ways to chastise us, to demean us this. I see all these people saying on Tory Lane's side, and I don't disagree

with them less wait and see. But even yesterday, excuse me, but even the other day after I posted about how triggering this whole situation is, there were people who even when they say wait and see, they still lean towards saying because she's lying, or it doesn't sound right, or her story doesn't sound right, and therefore we should wait

and see. My problem and the reason why I'm saying that I'm being triggered by how she's being treated it is not even so much as what as as as what is specifically going on with her and UM and this Tory Lane situation, except the fact that every few months, every few months, I see people coming at her for different reasons. I'm not saying that she's perfect or not,

but I've seen what she goes through. I met the sister um and and have had much conversation with her and believe her to be a somebody who's really just trying to grow. But I don't say that she's perfect because I'm not perfect. Because I know that this ship that I've done and things that I've said that's not right, but it's an onslaught. It seems that whenever you become a successful woman, you have to deal with people punching

and kicking at you from every direction. And in the last week, this woman has been fighting with men, fighting with radio host and TV people. Every single day there's been something, and it's really really really triggering, Like I'm

really I'm exhausted. We are black women fighting, and then we have to fight black women too, because in most of these or most of the blogs, you see a lot of black women, You see a lot of faith pages, and you see a lot of black women out there talking down and saying that she's you know, oh, oh, I you know, I don't believe her. Well, why why don't you just I'm not saying that you have to accept whatever she says, but why not be real about this idea that we have to just wait and see

what happens as the trial um continues. I just don't get it, and and and and for me, I'm trying to figure out why does the world hate black women the way in which it does, and why do we as black women hate ourselves so much? A thing? For me, right, you know, like like you, like we stated from the beginning, I just never seen a reason. I have yet to know somebody who said somebody shot them and he saw them that wasn't telling the truth. That's just something I

don't know. So I don't know why in this instance we would think it would be anything different. You know, somebody who obviously had some level of relationships and level of friendship. I don't think somebody would just lie a boy who shot them. That's just me personally, you know. So when when I just understanding that reality, that was

my first thing. But just watching the way the men have handled this situation, you know, just watching a way that you know, a man is aware that somebody shot this woman, she's traumatized, whatever it is if you didn't do it this and that, the way that you're utilizing your platforms, The way these men are utilizing these platforms to try to degrade this woman and try to to just continue to just gaslight her and do ship to her, it's just unbelief. Even I just don't know men who

move in this fashion. I just do not know men that move like this. Like if she was going, if she's saying this and you knew you didn't do this, you like, go on the court. We're gonna figure this out. I got evidence, whatever it is. But to purposely keep coming out disrespecting this women, making music and trying to talk about her, having other fucking whack ass blog sites arguing talking to this woman this way, It's just disgusting to me. And I just don't know men who move

like this. It's also, you know, disheartened to see other women coming at this lady. And it's like, we just we went through all this Anita Hill and believe women and Cavanaugh ship, and now a woman saying she's being shot and people are sitting there acting like she like, and it's to me, I'm like, dud, what was that out there with this Cavanaugh ship for? What was it? What was I doing all this for? What was that

risking my freedom for? If a woman, if we're supposed to believe some women we never seen before, I never heard before, and from our culture, never nothing about something that happened forty years ago, But we can't believe a black woman last week that said somebody then told you somebody shut up a week after she got shot. Like, I just don't understand this ship it's like, it's mind boggling to me, it is completely mind boggling. And then it's not even just that, is that people come with

false information and lies. They said, well, she said this, and she did this, and they said this, and they said they got this and they said and it's like, no, where did you get that? Why? Why why do you why do you come with lies? And you're not doing any research at all, You're not. There's a big difference between saying that there was no DNA and saying that

the DNA is inconclusive. Right, there's a big difference in that inconclusive means there's DNA here, possibly and there, and but there may be reasons why we are unable to identify exactly who is who's the person who it matches Right, in gun situations, it ain't gonna be no deed motion, but it's not it's wipe to go, Nor if I shot you and I know the police is coming up, that's just coming said so that that don't have really nothing to do with the reality of the whole situation.

When people would rather point some dumb ship like that to try to discredit HIONE, it just doesn't make sense. It could mean that he didn't do it right, it could nobody know. We don't know, but we don't know. And and the problem with it is like you say, we don't know, but we know there is a woman who is claiming that she was shot, and therefore there should be some deference to that, I would think, right

or is it preference? I don't freaking know. There should be people who say, well, the fact that she even is claiming that she was shot, that means that I need to listen, right, I need to watch closely, and I need not just jump because oh, DNA was inconclusive, then it didn't happen. And she's a liar. That does not that people have been raped and they've been unable to get the rape kit properly and find the person DNA on a woman's body. We don't know. There's so

much more that has to come out. And I'm just saying that we are constantly leaning in the direction of the woman live every time, every single time. And you want to know why it takes people five years, ten years, fifteen years to come out with their story if they're saying that somebody raped them, right, you you wonder why it takes them that long because they don't want to

even deal with it. They don't want to deal with women, men, other people, their jobs, and everybody else chastising them, ostracizing them. They don't want to deal with it. It's just so hurtful, like I could just break down because and and again it's not because I'm sitting here saying, oh, I know

for sure, I know who shot who and what happened. No, I don't know, but I know that that black woman deserved for people to really seriously, to take seriously her claims and to stop victimizing her over and over again. Then they said, well, she's doing the same thing because she's online saying she's fighting for herself, she's fighting for herself. Yeah,

maybe she shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't have either, when things when people were coming at me, and I got people lying on me saying I'm stealing from their children's memory, and I got people lying on me making up stories about all kinds of ship. And sometimes as a human, especially as a woman who feels like I don't have people in my freaking corner, sometimes I go to my cage just like anybody else, and I say things that maybe I shouldn't say, but we're humans. We're humans. That

woman is fighting for her life. She's fighting for her life. Maybe she god, Maybe she don't really know. Maybe maybe she think he shot up and maybe it'll come out in court that it was the person standing next to us. I don't know. She she may not know. Maybe she does. I don't know. We don't know. But what we do know is she know it was fragments in her foot. She knows she had to go to the hospital. I'm what I'm saying this, I believe the woman. I'm going

I'm believe me this. If somebody shot me, I know who shot me. That's it. I don't get fun. Nobody's gonna convince me that I don't know who shot me, and I was I didn't nig I know who shot me, and I'm always gonna know who. I'm not trying to say. I'm not saying that I don't believe what I'm saying, right,

I'm not saying that I don't believe her. What I am saying to you is that people's position that we don't know and she don't know, and this and the third I can work with all of that, right because because I also do understand that when a black man is accused of something, it needs to be proven. Right. We we all agree with that. So I'm just saying that I'm not going to be the one to take the authority on saying I know for sure, band, this

is what happened. What I will say, though, is that she should be treated like a victim, and I am going to defer deference was right. I am going to defer to her because she is a victim. Now upon me learning that that she's a liar, and we find out some others, you know, stuff, that is is just clear that that man didn't do it. I would be the first one to say, Meg the Stallion was wrong and that, you know, we should not allow people to uh to to to to to get away with wrongfully

accusing folks and black men particularly of stuff. And then and I'll say this and we'll be done. But I'm sure there are people who are gonna say, yeah, but you know what about um, you know this one over here, a woman said this one raped the and y'all didn't say nothing. What we're saying is that that woman deserves to be heard. Also, woman over here, a woman from my childhood, the woman down the street, the woman with Brett Kavanaugh, the woman with everybody that you're talking about.

All these women deserved to be heard, period. So as promised, we're being joined by Rohnicia Morrell, the sister of te Nisha Chappellem, who died, as I said, in an Indiana jail after having been there. She was apprehended and had been in jail for some time. I believe she was there for three months, um, and was waiting to face a trial if you willing to go to court for the charges that she was there for, and somehow or another, she got sick and died, and people, as far as

I'm concerned, don't care enough. Um. We have seen video. We are watching video which you have seen some of it already initial and will see more um of of how her last hours of life were so traumatizing and inhumane, and yet to get into national attention for this young woman, we haven't seen it. And a part of it has to do with ta Nisha being a woman, because we

know that too often women are ignored. But then when we talk about the prison system, jails, there's men, women and people of of of you know, all different gender, gender choices if you will. Who die all the time and nothing is done about it. The system is flawed and the way in which ta Nisha died. If we don't raise our voices about this, who cares what they

accused to us? When you get inside of the jail and you haven't even gone to trial to be convicted of said crime, there is no way the treatment should be inhumane. I don't care if you murdered twenty people. Still there is there is supposed to be human rights inside of a jail, and what happened to take Nisha was not it was It was a total violation of her human and civil rights. And I don't know, Mike, if you want to jump in before we bring Rhansha, who has been such an advocate for her sister, to

speak on you know, her family and what they're going through. No, I just you know, I remember everything you said. Man, watching those videos, you know, it just sent sails to me. And being formally incarcerated and understanding the likelihood of that happening on the regular is even more because when you try to explain to people that that's what happens in prison, you know, or jail, they don't believe that. They don't believe that the disregard for human life when you inside,

you incarcerated, is that high. You know, listening to this this young ladies screen and crowd all night and how six she was, and how she was throwing up and and and she was like she couldn't like all of these things. And to just constantly be ignored or just treated like you was trash. And nobody even kids enough to see what's going on with you. The level of negligence and and and just the huge disregard for human life for me live was just unbelievable. Man, it was

to me. It's just as equivalent to the man sitting on George floyd neck as he screamed, I can't breathe. You know, it's the same thing if you if you watch, if you literally watching someone die as they tell you that they they're they they're in pain and they're throwing up and you and you don't see any reason to help that person like that. That's not even human nature, my nature. I couldn't sit there and allow something like that. I could not allow that. So I my heart goes

out to a family. You know. I met Ronicsha and the passion that she has knowing that she has to take on this fight for her sister, for family. It's just something that I respect and I understand it. It's just no way that the world should not be screaming bloody murder after watching that video and hearing her cry for her life like that. It's no way. There's just no way. Well, Ronicia, thank you for joining us and listen. Thank god we have a video right right. Tell us

how you're feeling. First of all, you know, I want you to give us a brief overview because because repetition matters, and I know you had a powerful interview two of them that you did with Roland Martin and then with the Shade Room, and so people are starting to talk about it. I even saw Cardi B pick up the Shade Room footage and and the coverage and she has telling people to watch it. Um. But also everyone has to say, but they have to put sort of that disclaimer.

When you watch this, no you will be triggered. What has it been like for your family and particular Alie, for you to watch those videos and listen to your sister in her last hours. It's been sickening, like I have to, like, it's been so many times I've watched it, so it's kind of like I'm not numb to it, but I've watched it so much so it's just like when y'all see it, it's like, I don't see this a thousand times and it don't get any easier. But I would like trying to come to times with certain

things and just been an advocate for her. I think it's disgusting. Keep watching it, the people who's in there. It makes me more angry, makes me more mad. Um, Like, how could y'all like y'all y'd just don't have a good bone in your body, like y'all evil. It's just per evil to watch somebody scream for hours and cry for hours and you do nothing like disregard her, like none of her her cries when heard, like it didn't matter. M hm, it didn't matter. And she had been calling

you guys. What was she saying on the calls that with you with you and her mom like with my mom. She called my mom and let my mom know that one of the office said, do you know the easiest way to get away with murder? And she was like, no way. He was like, be a cop, and she was like why would you say that to me? And my mom was like, we'll try to get his name or his badge or whatever. And then she had called me and let me know that she was jumped and

she was cutting the neck. She also called and let me know that um, someone had put something in her drink, her pickle juice. She also let me know that they were seeing racial flurs, putting nuises on her bed. She cried, asked um, asked us to get her out, like she can't do it no more. Um. She even said that if we didn't get her out, like you know, we'll be trying to transform her dear body back go um

back to Kentucky. So she was definitely trying to warn us, And there's audio of that of her saying, if you don't get me out of here, everything I just told you is for audio of it. Wow, Wow, my son, I don't know. Well, So let me ask you this from a legal perspective. After all of that, Now, did they have the videos at the time that obviously they did.

Do you believe that the district attorney saw these same videos because you you guys were waited they were released after the DA that they were told that everything was submitted to the was told everything was submitted, so they watched these videos and that there was no wrongdoing and no reason I knowledge from my knowledge, yes, but you have to get police. I don't I don't know who could watch that video and not see the levels of

negligence that are actually criminal. You know that there's an attempt to watch this woman died like when as an officer, for you to constantly walk or just ignore or someone who's telling you that they're dying, like I don't even understand how there's no negligence and that you know, but for for for for the people who don't know Teunisha, you know who who the only thing didn't know that she's a girl that was inside of a jail, right, I want you to just give us, uh, you know,

just a brief description of your sister and explain to us about who she was the person and you know how you know her to be my sister. She was the baby on my mom's side. She was stunning, like she loved the dance. Um, she was out going because that she was younger than me, so she she was just had a spirit like she made you love yourself,

like she lived life so unapologetically like not in the box. Um, whatever she felt, she always spoke like she would just make you lad, like she was literally bad, like she loved to come in, turn things up. She loved, she loved is like she loved her daughter, she loved my nephew, Like she just was really good with kids, Like she had a smile, she had like this a little these little ears I called them. I tell people like, we got a little ears. You means you see, like she was.

But she was just so sweet, like she would laugh, joke, come over, make you feel good about yourself, Like if it was something you was down the back, she was gonna uplift you up with the situation. M that's a person full of life. And the way that she died is so traumatizing. You mentioned her daughter, and you know, I'm hoping what you can't really because of social media, you can't really protect um, even these kids from being able to see so much traumatic stuff on the internet.

But has her daughter actually been privy to like what exactly happened to her mom? Yes, Um, she was actually a third the day we um rally didn't jacks und Oh, she's definitely aware of what's going on. Like speak with her. I mean, she has her days, but she's very tough with you. She stays with you. Right. She just brought

me a lot right now. Yeah, because see that would be the other narrative that you know, Tannisha was a single parent who didn't have the father of her daughter in her life, and all of these stories because they immediately turned towards trying to criminalize the victim. Right, and yeah, there is again all the stuff that happened up to her getting into jail. She was supposed to go to court for that, that was supposed to happen. And am I right? It was three months? Right? Um, it was

two months. It was went in um May six, and then by July six, July six, July sixteen, she was gone, mm hmm. I mean I don't know. I just I'm with my son. Bloody murder, bloody murder, right, bloody Um, Like I tell you, if you negligent homicide, that's right, we can call. We can call it for what it is, negligent homicide because that's what they should it. And that's just how I feel all of them. And we can

talk about Everton. Everelton definitely should be the first who is that he's supposed to be the nurse third but he's not even the arm he's an LPN, So he was in our plan like he can do something. He can't do that. So it's on all with them. M hmm. The blood is not it's just it's so unfortunate, and like, what can what can people do to help at this moment? You know, like we know what we're trying to do.

We're gonna try to just highlight and make sure that as much people know about this, as much people are calling for justice, you know, so the system understands that this is not going away, and we're not gonna be quiet, and we're just not gonna let you just tell us that no wrong doing and criminal activity happen here. So what what would you want us to tell people? What can they do to help um? Right now? I was

just like keep saying her name. We're working on her page to help navigate you guys a little bit more easier to so I can give you our website to go straight to and start supporting that before right now. And I would just like keep saying her name and keep pushing her her face after if I don't really ask for is the support of everyone right because we've we've watched people advocate for other UH families, UM, and

for other victims, survivors, all of that. We we've done that we as a community, civil rights community, social justice community, as organizers, and just as everyday citizens, because there are times when even even those of us who do this work professionally every day are not up on every case and everything that's happening. But the people will rise and make the world pay tension and we all need to be neck and neck working together to support um Tekenisia

Chappelle and your family. And so we have said until freedom is committed to being engaged in this from the very early stages we were watching, we've already, like you said, attended a rally with you all, Um, and you know, have been out there pushing the footage. I'm happy to see that people are starting to pick it up, that the story is getting out there, but it's not enough.

It's not enough. We need an international outcry so that our federal government will step in and charge um everybody involved in Tunisia Chappelle's death, and that that negligence that took place over several days at least two days while she was in an Indiana jail. Now let me just say this is as we in this uh this interview, and again, thank you so much, Rhonicia. When we were in Indiana, outside that jail, I could feel from the officers who were standing around the way that they were

looking at us. And I don't know if you felt this, my son, or if you felt this, Rhoenisia when you've been out there, but I could feel the energy of people who could care, who couldn't care less, and who had the ability, the the the the sickness to do what happened to Tanisha. Those officers were looking at us with a level of disdain and anger and evil um that I haven't seen in a lot of places. Indiana is different, and a lot of people have been saying

Indiana and the jails there in Indiana, they're different. And if our experience in Louisville, Kentucky, because Tanisha and you are from Louisville, right, you guys live in Louisville. When we were when we participated in civil disobedience around the Brianna taylorcase there in Louisville and went to the jail, we could see how different it is from jails in other places around the country. So as you start getting to Louisville and Indiana should get real. It gets real.

And and what I mean you say is that is that Takenishia suffered the whole time she was there, but particularly on those last few days. You were gonna say something. You are absolutely correct, Um Indiana, UM, Jackson County where we was at, Like they show you. They don't care openly because they never felt like they had an answer to no one. They maybe felt like a family wasn't gonna come at them and stand up for their loved ones. But they show it. They bluntly showed it to us

several times. So this is why we should be standing up. We have to let them know like this won't keep happening it and they won't get away with it. Like I will keep using my voice, I will knock on every door, I will keep going. Yeah, the level of the level of racism in that town, it's just crazy, just in the streets general. But you know, once again, we're here for you. We want to thank you for allowing us to be here, for you, for showing up.

You know, we wouldn't thank you for your your strength and let you know that we're gonna continue to say her name and support you through here. So we just want to say thank you, appreciate your love, Thank you, Rona. Keep fighting, keep having that passion, and keep on calling us to our best selves. You've been on me and I appreciate your truth and Canada. But you know I'm

gonna push back because that's what we do, UM. And and we're gonna do that as we fight for your sistem and as you know, until freedom, we won't leave your side. Thank you, thank you. That's how that's how we ow it. So we just heard from Ronicia Morale, the strong, strong, fighting advocate for her sister, Taynsia Chappelle. UM. And this next guest, UM, as you've said, he's been

on street politicians in the past. We know him as the attorney that really has been fighting for the family of Brianna Taylor and now he is the attorney for Tunisia Chappelle's family. UM. And it is you know, really trying to figure out why in the hell I'm saying, you know, on his behalf that we keep going through this with black women, UM and being an advocate for us as black women, and these two black women particularly, um. And so we are glad to have Attorney Sam Agyar

with us today. And we really want to take the time, uh with you, Sam, to understand we we've already we already know the story, right, people, We've walked through the story. We've been talking about it. Uh, this is not the first time that we've talked about Tennisia Chappelle on this show. But we're we've got to figure out what is next when you have a district attorney finding no wrongdoing even

with seeing the videos. And I asked Rhnicia today, Um, did she did she know whether or not, uh the district attorney saw all of the same videos because perhaps they didn't have the information. She said, as far as she knows, they did. That's what she said, right, my son, as far as she knows, Yep, that's what she said. So welcome to the show. First of all again, And did they see those videos and then make the determination that there would be no criminal charges? Yeah? So thanks

for having me. It's good to see all of y'all keeping I love I love following everybody on the Until Freedom team and everybody Street Politicians team. Um. Now let's get the business. So when we said district attorney, you know, these these folks got to realize that we're not talking about somebody you think like up in New York. We're talking about you know, Jackson County, Indiana. UM. You know Jeffrey Shaw Font there was probably one of five esecutors.

He's also the prosecutor that charged Tunisia initially. UM. To give you the quick answer to your question is I highly doubt to me because that he looked at the damn thing. I think that this was cooked from the beginning. I think that you know, the sheriff, you see him online, these buddies with the prosecutor, and then you look at this prosecutor, these buddies with Indiana State Police. You know, I think that Indiana State Police probably put together a

narrative that he then you know, adopted, UM. And justice is not going to come from this guy or this county. UM. You know, this is the classic case, classic case for you know, Title eighteen USC. Two forty two. Deprivation of rights under color of law Federal criminal civil rights violation. If you're willful, you know, and you you make someone uh suffer in violation Fourth fourteen fifteenth Amendment, whatever it may be. You know, that's a crime. We've seen the video.

That's what's going on here as criminal. M it's actually it's actually unbelievable, you know, and and and and that's what I was wondering, like what is the statute? So when you when you say those laws, there's literal statutes and laws that describe exactly what happened to Tunisia at tenisha, right, So when when you hear that, when you hear those that's exactly what you just said is exactly what I've seen as that woman laid inside the cell and screamed

and cried and says she was dying. And then neglect, the direct neglect and intention to neglect, and it seemed that it came from a personal face. It seemed like there was anger, like they just had a disdain for this young woman. It just seems so intentional. It seems so intentional, my zign And yeah, I mean the verbatim language you know, actually makes the crime for any person acting under color of law. So that's our these are

our officers. They're acting under color law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunity secured or protected by the Constitution and the laws of the United States. Everybody has the right to medical care. When you're in the jail, if you need to see a doctor, you have a right to see that doctor. I mean, and you're exactly right. You watch this video, and you know

it would be one thing, y'all. If we're talking about one guard who had it out for Teanisha, and you know he's ignoring her requests and we find out there's some personal bandetta ship that's still illegal, it's still a problem. But what's so wrong about this one is that it is systemic in there. I mean, you have female officers, you have male officers, You have inmates, you have a nurse, you have a jailer, you have all these people that don't give a ship that's a black woman is dying

right in front of them. That's criminal, you know. And the thing is they have a legal obligation to kids, right These offers us and these nurses, they legally are bonded to care like it is disgusting to hear the inmates, who you know, are dealing with probably their own mental trauma who are dealing with that. But they don't really have an obligation, right, But when we talk about these officers, legally, they are obligated. It's part of your job to make

sure that someone gets your medical attention. I've been I'm formerly incarcerated, and I understand every time that we went to that bubble and say hey, I need medical attention, they had to call and get us medical attention. They not to tell you that you have to wait, especially when you're telling them that it's a life of death situation.

But what about But what about this narrative that well people people fake sickness all the time, and you know, we don't know who's telling the truth or who's not. I'm just I'm gonna make sure Sam that what you're saying because I and when I say people, I'm not talking about what the jails say. I'm talking about on my own social media account. And when I've been talking to other people advocating for Tanisha, I've had people say to me, well, how would they know she was really

sick because people fake all the time. What what's your response to that? Well, my response is a lot of things. You know, first of all, just to just just to correct, you know, or just to make sure people understand too. Tennisia was a pre trial detainee. So you know, even if you were imprisoned and you're you know, and you're convicted, you know, you start, you still have your constitutional rights. But Tanisha, she was just being held. She had every

right that every human being outside of jail has. But this whole narrative that we hear of all mates might fake, This might thake that we're not talking about ten minutes of Tennisia here saying I'm sick to my stomach, you know, take me to the hospital, and them saying, you know, we're talking about eight thirty at night, I'm throwing up blood. I've got the jail policies. I've got the American Correctional

Association policies. Any policy that you pull up that's gonna guide how nurses and doctors are supposed to do their job. Tell you the blood and vomit is a big damn deal. Then we've got officers that see the vomit in the blood. Then we've got her jaundyston turning yellow. Then we've got her literally stumbling trying to push something on the wall

that she thinks is the call buzzer. That's not the call buzzer while she's naked, other than the fact that she's got you know, her nettie's on that are covered, you know, in her green waist and she collapses on the ground. This is you know, this is basic humanity here. You know, this is basic humanity. People with their pets would not let them suffer through that. Yet this woman

right here was being looked at on camera. She was looked at, being looked at by inmates, she was being looked at by guards, she was being looked at by a nurse. And they're all just turning their cheek and going the other way. So I don't want to hear that excuse from people that, oh, well, you know, you gotta take inmates that you know, you can't take them at face value because they're all saying they're sick. This

woman was sick. My nine year old could have looked at her and said, Daddy, she needs to go to the hospital now, and and and and that's just that's some bullshit, right If I say I'm sick, you don't get determined with them. I'm telling the truth from that, that's that's part of the job. Every time an inmate of prisoner, it says that this sick is your job to find out whether it's sick or not, and that's part of the job. Did the nurse see her physically? Oh,

let's talk about this nurse. So first of all, he's you know, I've talked to like fifty former inmates in this place, and you know, they all got things that kind of bounce around a little bit. But the one common theme is that this nurse is a piece of ship. Okay, I mean, he does not care about these people in this jail. And you know, he's an LPN, so he's not even an r N so, but yet they got

him in there playing doctor and he gets it. Sucks to make it, but I mean, you know, you know these takes is it always you know, you always see a racial component, you always see a financial component, you know, and in this right here, you know there is a you know, there is deliberate indifference to her because of the color of her skin. Period. But there's also this nerve in this jail that charged fifteen bucks a pipe

for everything they do. So what they do is they'll, you know, they'll they'll pretend to be looking at you. But then they'll say, come on in later so they can charge with fifteen dollars a pie. Well with her, you know this nurse. Just so you know, two people call they you know, they reached out to the nurse the night before she died and said, hey, we've got two people complaining of illness. One's got chest pain, the other one's bomiting blood. He's sends the white person to

the hospital and tells her, you know, says Tenacians. Just gotta wait till the morning. Um. The nurse comes in to see her at and she immediately said says to him, I've got sickle cell disease. I've got ulcers. We got the recording. You can hear it. She's barely audible. He doesn't give a damn. He says, okay, you know, make sure somebody brings her, you know, a pepto bismol or a tailing all or something, and then he leaves. He's gone after that for hours. But then he does come

back to third and you know what he does. He says, put your clothes on so I can come out here, you know, walk out here so I can see you. Well, she can't. She can't physically do it. So he comes back into Nils at it. Mr Chapelle, get your clothes on. You can't do it. So the third time, you gotta put your clothes on and get out of here, or I'm just gonna go back and doing my thing and

to make a heat. That's exactly what he did. He went out to do in his damn thing because she was sitting there so weak on camera where she could not get up, and that's it. He doesn't see her again. That's it. Those are two Those were his interactions with her that day period. It's disgusting. It's it's completely disgusting just just hearing this, like to literally see it. It's worse we just hearing this. It's just like, what kind of human being like we have? We? How do we

travel so far from morality? And you know this more compass that we should have as human beings that that ship like this is just okay, but it's not a far it's not it's not traveling far. Unfortunately, we as black people have experience this type of murder and abuse since we first were trafficed here to this country, and it hasn't ended. And the prison system has been a continuation of that abuse. And what is really startling to me, Sam, is that they knew there were cameras and they still

did this with it all being recorded. That didn't change for them, like, well, we have to be more careful on camera. They still basically killed this woman right there in broad day, Like would it be in tape? Then? Now, let me just ask you, and I know you have to go because we want to get one more thing from you. But what now? So I know we said the feds have to get involved, but what type of charges are we looking for to be filed you know, or to you know how who? How do the indictments work?

Like if you had it perfectly? What would you see happening here? Yeah? If I so, if I had this perfectly, you know, it would be filed under the statue that I just gave you, which is a deforation rights. It's a you know, think civil rights from a criminal standpoint. You know, calls to action d o J. They've got. You know, they like to hold their cards close to their chest. I know that there's people in there looking at it. Um. You know, the sheriff runs for reelection

this year. His ass needs to go. You know he needs to go. Um, you know, Tennisia was in there, put in there on a fifty dollar bond then anything. It needs a damn bond schedule. I mean she she was charged with shoplifting and running from a police officer to pull the gun on her, and she got hit with a PI bond. There needs to be a bond schedule in in the end, people need to be able

to get out. Um. You know, there's there's definitely hopefully Justice for Tennisia dot com should be up that weekend and it'll have a call to action, um where people can definitely just at least consent to you know, or not consent but authorized sending emails and mailers and just putting some pressure on because there's just not a pressure right now. Yeah, it's not enough pressure, not at all. Not that's likely. Man. I just think that, like I said,

the world should be screaming, bloody murder man. The way that this woman was treated and not treated, it's just unacceptable. Man. So you know, you know you got us, and you know we're gonna be right here. We've already committed to the family that we're gonna make sure that we're yelling and screaming and whoever, whoever will listen, we're gonna let them know about this situation. Yeah, I mean absolutely, we

appreciate you all so much. Long live Tekenisia Chapelle's memory, and maybe we all fight for her the way we fought for everyone else, because she deserves it and we cannot allow ourselves to to to claim this mindset that well, you know, she was in jail, so it's different from though it's not different, it is the same because if you let these people tell the story, Brianna Taylor was a drug queen pen somehow, George Floyd was had counterfeit

money and was on drugs. Every time, I mean, I could go, ahmad, are Very was committing some type of crime? Dante right, you know, was he had? And then everybody's a criminal. Everybody's a criminal. They see every black person as a criminal, and they try to tell that story first, even both of them. John wasn't in the right apartment.

I mean, every time they come up with something, and speaking of Brianna Taylor, before you go, if you could just give us a few moments on what's been happening with Brett Hankinson and this trial, This this kangaroo court situation and that's going on being Louisville. Um, we we appreciate that little update. Yeah, it's a good little segue. You're talking about the police playbook, you know, following um, you know, the the murder you know, a black woman

or a black man. Then all of a sudden, they spend you know, the first fifteen minutes demonizing the you know, the you know, the dead victim. Um, well we got is demonizing going on in the Agasy Port right now. I mean, don't forget this case is being tried by the same Attorney General's office that you know, the same Daniel Cameron's office that pulled that ship in September of two thousand and twenty, that you know puts him at the bottom. You know, if I had a ship list

like he's, he's literally number one. Um. And when we talk about you know, what's going on over there, it's a sham to maka. I mean, you know it should be a two hour you know, it should be a two hour trial at max. You get a couple of you know, a couple of firearms people up there to say, um, they're trained, you know, to have target acquisition and not shoot blindly and this dude just shot through a door. You know, they couldn't see it was red list should

be convicted instead. What they're doing over there is they're putting on things allowing people to say that to make you love. This one they put on they literally tried to say that to make a Palmer and her family because they had access to the apartment. Afterwards, they're trying to insinuate that there was money and dope in there and that they stole it out of it. That's what's going on in the ship show of a trial right now.

It is unbelievable. But what does that have to do because first of all, to be clear, this is not a trial that really has anything to do with Brianna Taylor at all, the fact that it happened, um, you know, the night that she was murdered. But this is about what is it called in daint What is that? I just learned that it's about wanting endangement for three bullets going into the going into the White neighbors park. I'm going into the White neighbor's apartment. That's what Brett Hankinson

is on trial for it now. And what you're saying is that they are focused on still Brianna's family, trying to criminalize them, still trying to criminalize Brianna Taylor, rather than a clear and concise focus on what they charged him with, which is shooting recklessly through the walls. It's crazy. You know. I talked to I got a message from our our our girl, Anita Baker yesterday, you know, and she was like, you know, and she made a good observation.

It's almost like the Attorney General is trying to allow a case to go on. Well, let all this stuff come in that may exonerate them from criminal scrutiny and the federal and the federal investigation. It's crazy, Like, it's absolutely crazy. It's um it's he's a sellout to sham, but it's also very strategic. Thank you, Sam. We appreciate, appreciate you. Man. We love you man. See you guys soon hopefully, yes you will. All right. Likewise, we love you,

see y'all. All right. That's how we owed it. That's how we owed it. It's just didn't make no sense, man. You know, It's just a lot man. We like, you know, we we have to deal with so we have so many different fights on so many different fronts every day. We go from Brianna Tunisia and you know the black women. You know, we're talking about nag and it just it hurts me that black women have to deal with so much. It hurts me that disregard for Black women and so high.

And I get dudes on like, oh, you'll be over here simping. It's just it's not simping. It's just just basic human It means that you just you know that you're trying to that you're um, you're being played by women. You solved, you're letting you know, you you're just trying to kiss up to a woman. You want to, you know, you want you just want women to think that you're on this side. You want to, You're easy. You'll push you over for a woman. That's what it is, pretty

much being a push over for a women. It's for me. It's like we're supposed to be the protectors of our so like why would why would somebody have a problem with that? You know, like, of course I'm gonna call me what you want, but a woman should be feel protected in your presence, and when they don't feel protecting our presence, when they feel like they're endangering our presence, then that's when we're doing something wrong with me. But hey, what do I know? You know, what do I know?

I don't know. I mean, I'm like maybe it's sometimes I really do question my own thinking and my own discernment because I'm really trying to say, like, if, if, how can you hear everything that has been said, see the videos and understand the situation and then not just be a full consensus that crime was committed. But evidently

that's not the king. So you know, Tania Chappelle deserves better, and we all need to be standing up for her, for her honor and um, and really there are so many other people who are in these jails that if we fight for Technisian Chappelle, it will change, uh, the circumstances of others. If we're able to shape this system up. This can't. If they win this, they will kill another and another and another. And it's happening right now as

we're sitting here. Um. But if we don't, if we don't make this a big deal and we don't use Technisian Chappelle as a catalyst for like a real expose of what's going on in Indiana, and across the nation. Then I don't know what our movement really means. And on on a light and note right, because this has been like a very very heavy episode. You know, a lot to unpack. But I just for my I don't get it, right, I do not get why in the hell do the Knicks keep destroying players? Like why do

you like? What the hell is going on with the Knicks? Every time adult players, we get the best players and they come to the Knicks, and it's always turmoil. For me, it just never fails, Like, Yo, what the hell is wrong with the Knicks? My brother Kimber Walker man like Kimber is. Now they're saying that he's agreed to sit out for the rest of the season. He probably had his worst season in his whole career being with the Knicks. Came in. He at the topic, like what is it?

I just do not get what And I think it's because of what they did to Patrick human. Yeah, ever since y'all did not let Patrick you went into that office, he didn't give him a coaching job. He gotta get hired at somewhere else. He had to go somewhere else. Now, he said, George, not since y'all did not let Patrick. You went into that office. It's been downhill ever since. Man, they did it to Margret, like all of the players that I loved went to the Knicks and they pretty

much destroyed their careers. How long ago was the back? How long ago was the Patrick Ewan thing? Patrick Ewen was in the nineties. You know what I'm saying, and that like the mid nineties. I forgot what exactly when, but you and was one of the best players there, you know. And he when he retired in the nineties, he was supposed to He wasn't supposed to have to go nowhere else to get a job. They never hired Patrick.

You ain't finally one of the most famous Knicks in history, and y'all would not hiring Patrick Ewing and callin said, Okay, we're gonna get your ass. Every player that come here, like like Ceeley said to you, do right by me everything you even think about, you know. And it's just terrible, man, shout out to my other people. Welcome And I know it's frustrating to come home being a Bronx native and coming home, you come home to your town like y'all

want to play for my team. I want to ring, and then not even a whole season, like, not even the whole season, and this is what happens. Nick's gotta do better, man, Here's what I want to say. The karma definitely. I like the fact that you raised Patrick Ewing as a part of the karma. I didn't know that history. But um, it's important to note that the Knicks their ownership Jim Dolan. This is a man who has actively been engaged in oppressive behavior towards black and

brown people, even outside of sports. Okay, that's a history we ain't got time to talk about today. But people should look Jim Dolan up and really understand the type of person that he is and the shady business that he has been involved in New York and around the nation. Remember he owned Cable vision um and the workers who were fighting there for their rights. It's been a lot,

and so I wouldn't you know. I think the Patrick you and pieces, I didn't even know that, And that's like giving me new perspective and it actually helps me to it double down. It doubles down on my theory about Dolan. But I think when people do some research on who Jim Dolan is you might actually come away and say this guy is um part of the problem because the energy of the next um is not It's not healthy. It's not healthy. So you know, maybe maybe our theory is wrong, but I think it's it's more

to be said. I don't think it's just a sports thing. I think it's a God thing. Listen, that's what calma is. Calming is God just talking to you, God saying Okay, look, I'm gonna get you back. Now. You ain't gonna get away with nothing. You might not get into wash. You donna get an the wrench man. So man shout out to Kimberg in man Nix, you better get this on. Man. Y'all need to get some some sage. They need to money, they need sage outside the garden or something, because it's

just it just don't make no sense. Man, it don't make no sense. And now it's time for us to go. Man. Another powerful episode. We appreciate all our guests. Rhoenicia Um Sam Aggar. You know and just I know that you watched this video and if you were watching it, you know if you listen and then you din you heard what if you were watching it and seeing the visuals of this video, which is really just compelling. Man, We've

got to continue to say te Nicia Chappelle's name. We make we need the world to fight that, to fight to make sure that she receives justice and the people who allowed her and pretty much get steered her towards her death need to be held accountable, you know. So please make sure that we we we saying her name and you're doing everything. If you got the social media, I don't care what you do. Make sure that you're saying her name and making and tagging your favorite artists,

your favorite UM athlete, everybody. We need everybody talking about Tennis Chappelle because she deserves to get the justice and deserves her name to be spoken and deserves to have accountability for what happened to her. So once again, I'm not gonna always be right to mega, Marry is not gonna always be wrong, but we both always and I

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