Rebuilding The Black Wall Street

the trajectory of freedom. So I'm just celebrating my blackness and my trajectory to freedom. Yeah. You know what's It's like, it's a time that I can feel in my bones something can happen, something great can happen. How we get there is gonna take us to even grow in our own leadership. And that's and that's what's in front of us that even we the evolutionary that's right, even we have to grow. Um. You know, we talked last week about this idea that people will say, Well, I don't

hear y'all talking. I don't hear you saying it's not always time to talk. Sometimes you have to sit back and really strategize. And I've done this many times where you know, you don't see me as much in the public sphere, um, where you know, of course you see me with a state of emergency, but on other things, we're kind of putting pieces of a plan number one, the number one, but you know, we're putting pieces of a plan together. UM. And I what I what I

appreciate about this moment that we're in. It's so powerful. It's like pregnant with opportunity. You've got all the things, you have administration in place that knows they cannot become president again without us, so we can really kick them into gear, if you will, If we come together right, then you have, um, young people that are bold, courageous, intelligent, amazing, creative all over the country. They are doing great work.

You also have change. You have some painful change. And I think with those shifts, with some of these difficult conversations that we're having in the movement, it's important and they had to happen. This is not new, right, so we have to have those like a birthing process of a new thing. Um. And And even though it's still a passing of the baton, but they always are sort of innovative moments, and so it's a good place to be.

But in order to really kick us to the next spot, we're gonna have to be extremely strategic about and so um, there's a lot to learn. And it's like we've got to and the book is is that a state of emergency is that you've got to educate people um on where we've been. Then you've got to bring them up to speed on a strategic plan and then execute. And we've got a little bit of time to be able

to do all those things. And then of course in the city we live in New York City, we've got to educate people on ranked choice voting, bring them up to speed um in terms of the strategic process, and then executed during an election. It's a lot to do, a whole lot to do. It's a lot to do, man, and and and the guns is going crazy in the streets, were being gunnsce a wearness months and they're just out here, these young boys just out here shooting each other. Man.

And I've really been, like you said, been just being quiet and solid because I'm tired of saying, let's stop shooting. And I really realized that we have to do something bigger than that, you know, shoutouts to New Pole. Um. She organized a couple of weeks back, organized a peace treaty with some of some blood and crypt gang in and Um Brooklyn that she asked me to help her facilitate, along with my brother A. T. Mitchell. And it was

and it was really you know, enlightening. I sat in the room with these young brothers and just listening to their mind states. And then there's some young brilliant brothers, you know, they're just they're according to gang culture and and a lot of them are are believe in myths, you know, and they're seeing people as quote unquote opts that are not and and the rules of engagement are so off man. So I realized that there has to

be a restructuring of mind states. There has to be a reconstructing of what manhood looks like and what you know, realness and this quote unquote vision of quote unquote gangster looks like. You know. So I've been That's what I've been contemplating lately, just sitting back, being silent, saying, you know, I know there's something I need to be doing right now and just asking for clarity, just to deform relate what that looks like. So you know, we're all on

our missions. Man. We've got a great show coming up today, UM a lot of information that we're gonna pack into uh the entire show. In fact, we won't have two guests because this one guest is about five guests and one person. His name is Leo Alexander. He lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He is an entrepreneur, a businessman. UM he is some people call him a patent master, where he has the

patent for so many different um innovative, innovative ideas. He has the patent for so many different inventions, a lot of technology. Also did great work during covid um the height of covid to get masked out, making masks and getting them distributed to communities. A black man again in Tulsa, Oklahoma, who believes that Tulsa should be everywhere, that Black Wall Street should be everywhere, and so he's gonna be coming on now. Before we do that, we're gonna go to

our resident red expert, LaToya Bond. Thank you, Jamica and my son, and welcome to the brand market I'm LaToya Bond, your resident brand whisperer. Today we have a special brand and as you know, Tamika de Mallory is also the one of the co founders of Until Freedom. And one of the ways that you guys can support the work that they do is by purchasing merchandise. And I have to say the merchandise is pretty fly, it's great quality,

and it's unisex. It works your men and women. I'm gonna toss back to Tamica and my son so they can tell you all about Until Freedom and how you can support their movement. For us, freedom is when people like us, freedom fighters protesters are no longer needed on the front lines every day. UM, the way that we are now, freedom would quit organizations like ours out of business.

It would mean that men and women and children and our siblings wouldn't be being killed, shot down and dealing with so many of the ills that are oppressing black, brown and disenfranchise folks across this country and across the world. I feel like, UM, people think that freedom is not possible, it's not attainable, But we believe that there is a beloved community and that when we get to that place, it would be true freedom to make a speech. Although

it was amazing, it wasn't the one. No, it's not that. It wasn't the ones. And I heard the speech the next day that to me was even more moving. I've heard the speech three years ago that was more moving. I'm glad the world, you know, finally heard, recognized. You know what we've all known for this time when you know what she always tries to fight that. She's pretty much our leader. But the reality of situation is, we don't move in fere you know, we we understand, we

understand what comes with this work. You know, like marcol Mix said, if you're not willing to die for it, and you gotta take the world freedom out of your mouth, you know. And each one of us here, which has made a commitment to this life, we've made a commitment to our people. We have made a commitment to the betterment of our communities. I look at my son that he did and said, this world just has to be

better for him. That's when it was for me. So of course we are concerned, we pay attention, we're conscious, but I don't move in here. And you know, because I know where my heart is. I know that God got us. I know that we're here for the purpose. I know that we're living out our purpose. I know that exactly what I said before, I was put here for this exact moment. So whatever comes with that, if my life is, you know, however long I live, I'm

gonna live in in authenticity. I'm wanna live in fighting for my people. I'm gonna living to justice. Visit until freedom dot com for more information. I fight until Freedom. Thank you to mek In, my son. I know you weren't expecting this, and I know that you didn't create this platform to promote your own business. However, you guys are on the front line fighting for us every day.

You sacrifice so much, you give so much so that I think it's important that the community know how they can support your work and how they can support your movement. If you guys are interested in having your products featured on the brand market, you can find us at the BBM Agency on Instagram and click the link in the bio for more info. We're gonna hear right now from Leo Alexander of Notivating. His company is has an interesting name, and he's gonna tell us more about what it means

and what he's doing there in Tulsa, Oklahoma. So thank you so much for joining us later, thanks for having us. So tell us about your company name, what is, what does it mean? And so we can make sure we're saying that no problem if nor devoni it's innovation spelled backwards. So a lot of times, uh, we as inventors have to look in the mirror. When you put the word nor di finding the mirror, it just speaks out in innovation. Now,

innovation is quite different from invention, and innovation. Invention is typically, uh, what inventors do when they have one Eureka moment, one Eureka moment that they want to commercialize. And that Eureka moment could be something as simple as a hairclip, right, and that hairclip, Uh, it's something that you work the rest of your life selling. Well, that's an inventor, and we understand that there's places in the market for that.

But innovators are actually those that actually have a certain set of skills that are resourced the line directed at problems. Innovators bring solutions to problems and that's what our company has been doing for the past thirteen years. And that what we promoted. It's a totally new name. It's annulgrom

in uh in the world of technology. Wow. So you are such an innovateur that everything I imagine you know, but you know you're You're so much of a creative person that I imagine everything you do has a purpose all you know. Obviously the name of your company has a purpace. Um. And now you're in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Is that where you're from? How did you end up in Tulsa when you when you was your family raised there after thirteen years of developing our company the way that

we did. Uh. As you know, we're an international company. I typically lead off with everyone saying that I was only born in America, but I was made in China. My company, my company started in Houston, Texas, but I'm from Louisiana. And as a as a young man, the term black Walls Street never meant a GPS location to me. The black Wall Street meant that there was a stock market or a wall Street out there that fit my criteria as a black man. Black Wall Street meant economics.

It did not mean a GPS location. It wasn't Greenwood. In fact, I didn't. I was even I was totally unaware of the massacre that occurred, because coming from the Deep South, when you heard the term black Wall Street, you always thought back to the prosperity, the great things that you had heard about in those in those stories from uh, from our ancestors, right, the stories of how these these entrepreneurial minded individuals built an entire economy for

themselves and then really motivated generations to come. I'm a product of black Wall Street, even though I'm not from here. So four years ago, UM I made the conscious decision to move my manufacturing company No Devani and e O C. To Tulsa as a means of rebuilding what I always thought was the Black Wall Street. It was necessarily Greenwood or or anything else. It was just that we had the capacity and the resources and we wanted to be the staple of the rebuild. Well that's that's amazing, And

it says that you are award winning innovator. And and I'll tell us some of the things that you create, Like I heard of some things that people would be surprised. Well, Uh, one of the things that always shocks people is all of us are in the world of streaming right now and remote and distance communications, but one of the first technologies, the Colonel techn knowlogies that made even streaming possible was the ability to share the screen of your phone to

another device wireless. Right. We call it miracasting or screen sharing, right, but the inventor of miracast technology uh the way that you shared a smartphone to any other mobile device and exactly the messing ground for what we know is uh screen sharing and streaming. So a lot of a lot of my my earlier technologies were around energy UH and and really monitoring UM different assets for our US government.

So where are you guys from. Originally you guys are from implement areas where you have blackouts and brown outs mm hmm. Sometimes you know we're in New York City, blackouts are happening. But you have a lot less of them now because after two thousand and seven, you wouldn't have known that the until the companies wouldn't have known that you had a black unless you call them. And now the poll top transformers tell the utility companies their

health and condition. Well, my technology, the UTMD monitor was the was the purpose for them doing that. It initiated the term smart grid, so our own smart grid system back in two thousand and seven, and it's part of our national uh uh, our national power grid. Right now, every utiler the company utilizes some bit of that technology. Is there is there so like I guess you signed in the a's and is there profitentiality for when you helped to design? Like in other words, the better question

is absolutely you design and invented more. I think we know, um the things we're probably using every day that you would never be able to tell us that you actually were involved in. From two thousand and from two thousand and nine to now, I've developed two hundred and eighteen unique electronic products that plug into a wall. Accompanies that

I'm still under gag order about speaking right uh. Some would say that every five minutes, you're gonna interact with something that I've uh, something that either has our kernel technology embedded in it or something that I personally designed. This is the black history and the black present we should be talking about. We're supposed to be celebrating brothers

like yourself. Well yet we don't even know that this is happening, you know, So I just want to applaud you and say, you know, give your flowers now and said that we truly appreciate you know, your contributions just to culture and just to our living. The living that we exist in right now is a result of a lot of things that you've done. And I just want

to ask this. You know, you said that you you went to Tulsa because you wanted to recreate that you wanted to build that you It was anonymous with you know, innovation, It was anonymous with you know, black people building and growing. What do you think it's gonna take to actually rebuild that? Look at before I answer that question, I gotta get my I gotta get my guy in here, all right? Is that okay? And you know how much we love you? How are you doing it? Genius? Yeah, man, he is

a genius. You know, we didn't know about him, reverend, and we're learning, you know now about this this gentleman, Mr Alexander, that it should be you know, we should all be applauding his work and supporting him, helping him. And I'm sure you're there trying to figure out how you can help. Right. It was basically linked to civilizations communications, So we must know who he is and and tell our sorry, because it defies all the reasons like recism.

So that once you're on the inferior, but the interior part of it, the reasonably on scientifics. It's not true. Yeah, listen, advice and I'm an explosation. God me ever made some of the black childing to garden himself and justifies all that footres that's that's powerful. The last time we saw you, it was where my son and uh, that's how we've seen the reverend was at um when we cried together

when we got the conviction. Uh chovinks the Chauvin trial and me you him shocking and we cried as he and he looked at me and said we we He actually lived to see a man get charged with killing the black man. That's why when you get when you when you make election and fellow prime, which is touch out, when you make h blacks hate crime. Dude, choose the Asians. Now let's touch out. Well. Was a national application problem, not just local question. I want to know that. What

do you like? I was about to ask you, what do you think it's gonna take two we build Black Wall Street to get to get us back to that level of prominence where we build our own cities and have our own running organizations and have our own coach everything that our own things. What do you think it's gonna take? Well? I think, um, first we need to kind of change the narrative and change the educational structure

of what our own Black Wall Street is today. If if I tried to promote one Wall Street for one black economy, um, I would literally be going against my moral compass. Let me, let me, let me explain that understand, our our economy is a global one and the color of that economy should also be multiple colors. The only way that that the Indians and the Asians got their China towns and their Indian towns was by building or cultivating uh, those talents into products and businesses that the

world wanted to buy. You use to those uh town a block block massage pols and restaurants or something that's not that's not the strip beyond that, that's where they're going to get the clos stuff that that's the point. It's not a physical locale. Uh. When you super teles on now and you can push a button and become those machine, that's global man, who you are? That that's colorless. And I think that we must think in terms of we can we can launch to the world we're gonna do.

I agree with you that everyone needs to support, purchase, patronize whatever our products, services and everything that we put out right because of course, the way the economy moves is that people are engaged. It's not just one community.

But the ownership piece is important, and that's I think. Okay, so you were getting ready to go to go ahead, yeah, yeah, So so understand we haven't had the ability as a as a culture to actually walk into odds and say, these are our ideas, Wizard of Oz, where can these ideas be created? We have taken our talents two other companies. Those companies has embodied those those talents into products and

then it goes out to the market as brands. Understanding that what I'm trying to build is all of the capacity, all of the enablement tools, the actual factory, the actual ability to actually take out of your mind those things and turn them into a tangible reality without you thinking about what you needed to go ahead and make that happen. Just bring your talent because all of the other resources are here. That's why, that's why I bootstrapped my entire operation.

I have never gotten a venture capital loan, jump on a pitch stage in front of a group of Anglo Saxon saying, please give me two hundred tho dollars because I have an idea. The minute you give the minute you give your idea to them, for that two hundred thousand dollars, you have already taken away our chance of victory period period. So what I've what I've started to

do is now build all of that infrastructure. If you're if you're a medical professional and you want to build medical solutions, well, I built an entire sector of innovation and development that will enable you to build that device or take that service over the network. We needed to own our own infrastructure, right, So in two thousand and twelve, I became one of our nation's common carriers that has fifty giga hurts and spectrum nationwide. Is not another black

man that can say that to his credit today. Right, But we were always looking at the wrong things. Were we're looking at the smaller parts of the prize. Infrastructure is is required. You can't you can't take your dreams to the yellow brick road. Of the yellow brick road hadn't been built, right, So my goal was to come and tell us the later groundwork, put the infrastructure down and then build the yellow brick road. And if black Wall Street needed an oyes, well, I took up the mantel.

In nation means a lot and here's the access mere shift in Paradise. We will will have my black Wall Street. We'll have a street to what we can do and black Wall State in Black World Country. I think it's anation. It's amation. We have an ability to create a nation within the nation. It only takes one speration to do it. The thing is, we have to change the way we're thinking.

It's really good to see you, Redam Jackson. I'm so glad you're in Tulsa to um, you know, being able to uh go back to a place and I know you've been many times, but to see so many young people, particularly commemorating and learning more about Tulsa. So many people had did not know, they didn't know the full extent

of the massacre. And I know this is something you've been teaching for a long time and finally people are beginning to listen, um and hopefully uh in your life at this point, after your accomplishment so much, you are beginning to see the fruits of your labor that they are so young folks who are who are beginning to get what you've been telling us for a long time.

Really ride the Master. For example, people did not know that the ten album they were different, a better share, and that means that it is the shaffs the drop um save all the company and usually played to drop bombs. So the first bomb was not dropping here Shima, I mean Pearl Harbor dropping here on learning a lot about what happened, and they sampataple on the hotel people motel for the house probably were down the man las day,

by the way. Uh John Rodgers, you know Don John Rodgers, that was great red ball and he ran off the Kansas city and his son tried to lawsome to say. And Rod's dad was the first black year of struggle. His mama like he made here a struggles putleration out of wolfing. He down on the other walls on the board of Nike, and uh let go and uh um and and uh youtory drawing. So you see that some of the US water came drowned. If I can't burn, keep on coming. M Thank you from hell, love you,

thank you give us an understanding of what's been happening. Obviously, no matter who you are, especially if you're black, there's gonna be stunting going on. So we know there's been some controversy and some difficulties that you've been dealing with. What are they and what needs to be done to try to get around UH so In in Oklahoma during the entire COVID epidemic, I was one of those individuals that stepped up to UM to aid and aid the

call of PPE manufacturing. UH not only did not only did I supplied first line responders, PPE masks and and everything else, but I also worked with the state and local area to organize bringing my factory here stateside so that we wouldn't have to go through all of the import uh logistical hurdles that everyone else was having in the country. That effort took about one point seven million dollars out of my pie right. So we brought the factory down, got everything in line, only to be denied

the state or local contract. There was a level of compromise. They're done by h the governor's office, the cities officials, and some large contract in the millions was awarded to a bar owner that had only filed a license the day that he was awarded this very large contract. Well, this raised my eyebrows and it was literally, Um, it was a slap in the face, is what it really was.

Because here we had already been on a mission to support the community first line responders, the the the emergency responders, the police departments, and all of the hospitals. We provided those things free of costs to them. Um. But we

weren't doing it just to get a state contract. You gotta understand, there's individuals here that so our ability way beyond building manufacturing for the MASS uh, and took aim at my company though the MASS was actually being used as an instrument to acquire all of my company to with you and I just I'm trying to be I'm trying to be as tactical tax boy as I can

because this is a case that's that's ongoing. A local businessman, Uh, a lawyer that I thought was my lawyer, UH, that was compromising his position a state that UM has now convicted the person that they went with because the guy never delivered more than ten thousand mats. They gave him millions and he gave him ten thousand masks. Uh. I still have half a million masks in my warehouse right now that we'll go to them, and they still haven't

picked up today in today and Tulsa is um. I didn't want to bring this up during the whole commemoration ceremonies because uh, I think that the area has gone through enough pain. But under under the underlying things and the underlying story that's going on right now is the fact that a modern day Linson is being done and

they're just changing their faces. These guys would not They were one embarrassed by the fact that our minority BA manufacturing company was able to do things that they as a state or a city not new for the people of this community. And in order to in order to go ahead and uh discipline me or tap my hand, the refused giving me any of the contracts and then started to use their governance powers to go ahead and

try to shut down or close down my factory. So what were some what are some of the things that they left you know against you with some of the allegations. So they after Now you gotta understand, this is five months into everyone has already received their masks. They sent the fire marshal and told me, I need to close down because I needed to put new sprinkler systems there, M right sample. Now, my adjacent neighbor he owns a

carpet company, same sprinkler systems. Carpet catches on fire. Our masks where life saving h and all new had it nothing that could catch on fire there. Uh so uh that was their first tactic. The second second tactic was UM constantly bringing me up on standards. They had me go through rigorous testing of the product that was coming off of our production line. It was supposed to be deemed that in quality through every test that they came through.

We tested in ninety over above the standard that they were asking for. So at every level of the litmus tests that we excelled or exceeded what the standard would be, they would they would then make other excuses for why they couldn't continue to work with us. I hear the attempt to shut down. But when you think that they're attempting to take your company, is that something different? And

what does that look like? So? Uh so, you know, it's a pretty sophisticated web here if you if you ask me the reason why, UM, it's totally Some people would have said it was impossible for black Wall Street to be rebuilt because of how the power structure is here in Tosso, Oklahoma. Um, when you look at Greenwood right now, right now, it's controlled by a handful of Anglo Saxons that uh project themselves as the philanthropists of

the community. But they literally just project themselves that way. They really blocked them in. Um, there's a parking garage, baseball field, a church, and a museum. Okay, and then there's one block of what was black Wall Street, one block right or two behind the train track. While all of the ownership of that is those individuals. Right any any book minority or black business that was actually thriving, those people were going to be a part of so

that they can control the matriarch of that business. I'm an outsider and I'm a totally different type of entrepreneur. I never came here with my hands out. In fact, I didn't mingle with anyone in Tulsa for the first eighteen months. I just went right to work. They saw that as sliding the power structure here. There's a there's a group that don't see color in that way that

want to actually assist the black businessman. And then that power group that want to have some of the people that they intend to make their political figureheads uh positions, so that they can only continue to control the area. These are the people that they will support, and these people will be totally against you. They're in the law enforcement, They're in the fire departments, there, in the school systems. There.

It's a web. It's really really crazy. So I felt a victim to this when I started to open my doors and accept what they uh, what they called help. When an individual comes up to your door and says, hey, I love your operations, I want to be a part of it. And I'm like, sorry, no, thank you, no, no, no, I just want to bring my guys from the local university. I'm not saying any name, but it might affect uh the lovely. I want to bring some guys uhh that will see what you're doing because I think we can

help you. Right, And that all starts to become pressure. Before you know what, you're bomboarded by the opportunity that you may be successful. Now, this is what would happen to any of to you that would be coming to Tulsa. You would time, and you would be welcome, and you would be greeted, and it would be it would be very kind, very open until your plan is then released. And if your plan is malleable or or small enough for them to be able to do themselves, then your

plan is not going to be done by you. Your plan is gonna be done by them, and they're gonna check you to the curve. As as that that outdoor, I was a little differently because I was already rooted eighteen months before they even knew I was here. Right, So now we're now we're in uh, we're in a we're in a fight. One of those individuals became really

integral to our company. We brought him in as h one of our consoles, and that council started to navigate the our correspondence on our legal documentations to put himself in power mm hmm in my company. You know. Unfortunately we are not able to really get deeper into this conversation. Um, but there's so much more to learn. First of all, we want to know, is there somewhere that folks can

go to learn about this? Are their articles about it or is it something that you're just beginning to talk about. And the other thing I want to say is that Unfortunately, your story is not new. I'm you're not saying this. I am saying that this is to Mega Mallory saying it speaking on my own behalf that I know a far too many stories where when certain types of white people get involved, they try to strip the power um of black folks that own their own businesses or to

have great organizations and ideas. We saw it happen even within the Women's March, where we built something incredible and certain types of white women got involved and utilize guys be a tax from the outside world as a way to take to try to take power. We didn't have to give it up. We could have said this is our organization and we're gonna hold onto it, but we would have been holding onto our own demands because at times you have to free yourself of those types of

white folks. And that's just the truth. And so I just want to say to you that it's unfortunate that the story you're telling is one that I've heard so many times of folks who took the help and the help ended up being very, very damaging. And so whatever we can do to support you, we want to do that. Please tell us in there are other ways for us to find out more that we just have to keep inviting you back to street politicians than make you get

a platform. Absolutely, we're gonna start featuring it. Um. Of course our woman TV is gonna be covering some things as well. But I don't know, I don't know if I don't know if you guys realize that. But I own the local newspaper here, so I owned the Hispanic and UH and the English publication here, the seminar and Prasanna. So we're gonna be getting the story out. The thing is, I think these people tried it with the wrong one.

You woan it's a it's a constant story told, but uh, it's not a story told when you go up against something that as as strong as the as the adversary. Right, So there wasn't there wasn't a need for us to go public with this, and I wanted to. I wanted the commemoration to move uh along the lines that it

did move. Um. And if if everything goes well, this will be one of those situations where these guys take their uh deceitful desires elsewhere and allow me to continue to progress the work that's at my hand here building Black Wall Street because they have to know that. Now I have to make a malary on my back, and I'm the rest of the coalition, uh that's now fully aware of their tactics because there will never be another

public lenching. I am never going to be a mortar. Yeah, the work that we're the work that we're done right now, it is way too important for my people and the rest of America. So every because you know what you what you created for, you know, just black generations and the way you've evolved the culture and all the things that you're doing, you've done and you and you're currently still doing. You know, I just want to say I appreciate.

We always celebrate our brothers who are innovative, you know, and wout your shifters when they're gone. So I just want to give your flowers now, brother and say we're just learning about you know, black black history and black president all at the same time. So we just want to say thank you for what you're doing, what you're doing for the culture and anything that we can do. You know, this platform is yours. Whenever you need us, we're here, man, your family, and you know you're you're

just you're something that the Blueprint. I love you for that. Thank you, right, Leo the Blueprint Alexander, thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you, thank you, thank you. That was a dope interview, man, Leo Alexander the Blueprint. You know, he that's his new nickname. Man. When you see people that great and evolutionary and you don't even know, like this man should be in history books. Yeah, yeah, do some. We got to do our own research because

we don't. We don't know of that. Well. I think, um, I've heard of some of his work, and I'm trying to, like place where it is that I learned about, um, some of the work that he's done in the past, and just trying to I'm just trying to you don't even trying to figure out, like I heard of him somewhere, who was it that told me? And why are we not fighting for him? I don't know. We gotta do some research and figure out a ways the whole Well,

I'm definitely gonna do some research. But what I've learned, you know, a little bit of research I've done so far, it's just amazing, man, And that just that brings me to my I don't get it when we have brothers like that, and we have other dynamic you know, innovators, culture shifters, and and finance experts and and all of them are saying what we need to be doing. That we need economic empowerment, we need to own our own things, we need to build it. I just don't get why

it isn't happening, you know that. It's it's so frustrating that we keep having like We've had a meeting, like you called a meeting years ago. We said so many different influences in a room in Sylvia's and they'll forgetting and we sat around it's a round table where everybody said we need to be doing these things. And we had one of the dopest meetings, you know. And from

that meeting, it was just words, you know what. And I was about to say we did come out of it is Jay Morrison created the fund and which he created a whole you know, crowdfunding for black people and created the Black House and which we are invested in, and so something did. But I'm just trying to say, the overwhelming majority of people in that room what should have been accomplished as a collective with everybody, not just

one Because we always do that, right. What we do is we have these meetings with a bunch of people and say, okay, let's do this, and then one person to go and do it, and anybody else will follow. What is it gonna take us to get on on code as we will? Like, I just don't get well, I think who have to see a lot of different cultures,

not different ethnicities. They work together, they build together, they build infratral to, they build organizations, they build companies, and they continue to build and they continue to take over. I want to know what is it gonna take for us to do it? I just don't get why we haven't done that. I think that it is a function of white supremacy that we've been dealing with for a

very long time. Um. I'm just thinking about the meltdown, if you will, that we see happening from so many people around the Black Lives Matter movement in this moment,

right And I know why. It's because, Um, you know, while they always should be accountability, while they always should be checks and balances, all those things, I don't disagree with them, but they're also is a direct attempt, a direct attempt to destroy and divide leaders and the movement and people from supporting the movement, and we fall forward every time. Every time we start to believe the narratives that we hear, they get a few black faces to

go out and start critiquing, challenging, um, what's the other word? Uh, going after if you will, certain individuals who have voices they do. This is not new, it's not new. It's the same process over and over and over again. And

every single time we fall into it. I have friends that mother and daughter and family members that are not even speaking because they the one person who know some of the folks that are in the movement believe stuff that they're hearing from people who are not in the movement do nothing for our people, nothing for our communities, And they're listening to those those individuals and saying, oh, well,

maybe those people are right. And so therefore it makes it very difficult for folks to get together and to do anything as a collective because the tactic of the Willie Lynch syndrome that may not have been real in terms of it being in effect. Um in the past, right, they say, Willie Lynch is It's not true. He wasn't

a real person. But whoever wrote the letter. It's someone who wrote it understanding exactly our conditions, our attitudes, the mindset, and also the the the intentional, the intentional destruction of the black community and how it is designed. And so we follow it all the time, every time we follow it by becoming agents in our own destruction. Um. And so therefore, when you say, well, why are people getting together?

You have so many folks that they say, well, I want to work with other people, but I'm concerned about whether or not they're going to hurt me, lying on me, cheat me, or I want to try to get it done first so that everybody else has to thank me as the person who created it. And until we get past those mindsets, I'm not sure that we're going to

accomplish it. One thing I will say is as you you know you and I both and and and and more recently on a regular basis, I talked to puff, right, I talked to him, and I know for sure that he has a clearer mind and he's really seriously trying to figure out how to move us to another place. But even he will start and then see the challenges and start and started, you know, he starts being like

I don't know how we're gonna get them right. So, in this moment when he's coming to us and he's saying, hey, I'm ready to start shipping the culture, we all need to start working together. We need to help him to do the work because he has the voice. Look at Jay Jay. I'm not saying he's done everything right. You know, me and Pouf have gone back and forth about some of his moves in terms of how he sees the movement. But you know they have an interest, you know what

they're trying to accomplish. So if we can encourage them, if we can work with them, if we can create the type of installation that we all need to be able to move this thing forward, perhaps we can get somewhere. But I think it's gonna take not just the big guys, but it's gonna take the big guys, the street activists, it's gonna take organizers of all different types. It's gonna take a whole bunch of us to be like really in on making this thing happen. Well, I definitely agree

with that. I just want us to do it sooner than later, man, because I keep hearing it and I'm watching the level of consciousness that our whole culture is coming to. Everybody is seeing what's happening and they realizing the blueprint. They realizing what we've been through. They're realizing the blueprint to move past it. And everybody is saying it over here, and he's saying over there, I just want us to collectively come together. And I just say it and just do it, man. So that's just me.

And with that said, another amazing episode. Shout out to let the blueprint Alexander, you know, for his input and what he's contributed to the culture. And shout out to you man for just being a good co host. Man. You know the number, the number with the number one podcast number one. That's how Monster Guards is Life, Life Life. Man got any topic she wanted to talk about, send us a message, let us know, Um, we're here for you.

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