Re-Entry and Redemption with Lucinda Cross

So go over there and get you some classes. They do boxing, they do you know, strength exercises, call everything you need is over there. That's my um workout playing boxing. They say it can work out all of your body. They say it's gonna work out my legs. That's what I really need, my physical area that needs work at this point. You know, of course, the stomach is always an issue, especially as you get to be in your forties. Um, but I know for women. I'm sure for men as well,

but the stomach part is always an issue. But I I kind of have that under control slightly. Where I have issues is that after a while, when you gain weight, which I have, it turns into like a cottage cheese, Like it doesn't look smooth and like the skin stretched out properly on your you know, lower extremity. So that's what I want to work on. And they tell me that boxing is gonna help with my heart rate, my arms, my strength, and then of course you know, helping me

with my legs. So that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to be uh, trying to do something other than relaxing and watching my Netflix chose when I'm on, um, I don't know when I'm not working, which is not often, but still, you know, I like white people TV. I'm not gonna lie. I have to admit this to myself

because I was looking at Netflix the other day. Now, I was looking at a good looking for a good black show, you know, some kind of a show, some suspense, And when I started doing my res like you know, how you you like, I was choosing different shows. It's said on the top in the percentile area, which which is pretty much identifying. It's tracking how much TV you watching them? Like what are the shows that you're attracted to?

And and the percentage for all the black shows was like thirty percent six was the highest, but the white TV was all like nine eight percent ninety nine, because I like the suspense of, you know, the way they have so much privilege, the way they get in trouble, the way that white people do on TV like we as black people could never and when we're watching black people and we see our friend and mill was talking about this the other day too, how when we're watching

black people on TV and they do something completely outlanged to be like, man, ain't watching this show. This is stupid. We know this. And that's that's part of the reason why sometimes I struggle with all the fifties fifty cents shows, right because I'll just be watching it and it's good. I'm not saying it's not, but I'd be like, man, that you ain't that's not gonna happen in the real world. But the stuff that white people be getting away with,

they do that they literally be doing some of this. Basically, you wat shows based on white privilege. I like the white privilege shows. I ain't gonna lie, I'm sorry, this is the activist, like the white privilege shows Lord and Then. But when I watched black TV, I like documentaries. I like movies about things that actually happened. But no, but the reality is powering on like like that happened. They based all real story. Some of that stuff is outlandish,

you know. Some of the stuff they get away with, they don't the way they'll be killing and what they got away with. Niggas they got. It's documented that in the eighties niggas was killing like that. They had bodies like that. It is niggas. You look at their cases. They got cases for catching these buddies. This ship ain't all the way made up. It's right now because we're looking at technology, we're looking at you know, the way every state is basically a police state with cameras everywhere.

But back then when it was outside like that and he was catching these buddies, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't. The law enforcement wasn't even trying to stop him at that point. People in college, you're you're a college student, but then you go kill people and the lunch break and go back or or dealing. It's heavy for me, But I'm not listen. I'm not knocking it because I've watched it. Of course I haven't. I'm not really up on BMF, but I've watched all the other shows. I

love it. I've watched Raising Kanan, so I'm not trying to say it I don't like it. I'm just saying that when I'm watching it, I start feeling like this right here, it's impossible. When I'm watched the white people doing it, I'm like, yeah, that sounds like something you could get away with. That You that cops pull you over. You got two bodies in the trunk, somebody laying down in the back seat, the person in the back seat. They say, oh, they're sleeping, and the cops never say, well,

wake him up. They don't do that for black people, but anywhere. That's what I was doing during the holidays, was catching up on a bunch of uh TV shows and I'm still kind of into it now. I'm watching Breaking Bad, which is pretty good. Um So, let me see what are the news stories we're gonna talk about today. There's a lot of things happening, you know what I

tell you one thing that no one else. You may not care about this, but I do because I was trying to see what was gonna happen with Alec Baldwin, right like, he killed a lady on the set and I'm sorry, I know for sure, or at least I believe strongly that if a black actor was on a set and killed a woman or any person with a gun that is actually supposed to isn't It wasn't supposed to have blanks in it in the first place, Like it's not even supposed to have real like things that

could actually kill you, right. I think I'm pretty sure that I read that a long time ago. It's been a while, but I think they would take you out of handcuffs and that you would have a charge. I mean, I don't know, because I'm just looking at the workplace. I'm looking at do they have intent, do they have malicious intent? You know, I'm looking at the totality of it. I don't know, you know, I don't know. I don't know if he's he's the person that's completely responsible for

him having the gun. I think the gun was on the set to be a part of the set, and there was an armorer, which is like the Black Church. We call him the armor bear, who was supposed to be holding the gun, and then I guess at the point that he was, he was using it alec bowing instead of it having whatever it is that you can shoot it and it won't harm anybody. It actually had bullets in it and um, and this woman was killed. Now, the reason why I brought it up is because now

he's been charged with involuntary manslaughter. Him and the armorer has been charged. So that tells me somebody knows that what they were doing, they wasn't supposed to happen. But and I was just wondering, and I'm sure involuntary manslaughter there's something where they probably won't get a lot of time or anything like that, right, more than likely they won't. If it's involuntary means that it wasn't done purposes. It's

basically just saying that you killed someone by accident. So but man slaughters by accident, yeah, man, any anything involuntary just means that it wasn't done purpose, and it probably wasn't. With that, we gotta I want to look up to be specific, but I'm more more, you know, almost sure. Involuntary means it was an accident, but someone died. So anyway, they did charge him and the armorer with involuntary manslaughter.

So for anybody that's wondering, how did Alec Borwan just shoot and kill somebody and didn't get away with it. They have been charged. How that's gonna work out in terms of jail time? I don't, you know, I don't think in voluntary right now. Yeah, I don't think they'll get any jail time. But I definitely was like what when I saw it in the news, I was like, oh, okay, there's follow up because in my mind, I was like, yep, they're just going wipe it under the rug, swipe it

under what it's a misdemeaning Yep. It's defined as an unintentional killing that results either from reckless or reminute negligence the permission of a low level criminal act, such as a misdemeanor. In violatary manslaughter is distinguished from others of homicide because it does not require deliberation or premeditation, or even intent, since these mental states are not required in

violatary manslaw as the lowest category of homicide. Right So, so listen, I don't think he meant to shoot the woman. Um and you know, you don't seem to think that it's a shoot a sure thing that if someone of color, I mean Latino, also somebody who was not filthy rich like Alec Baldwin shot somebody. I just don't know how easy it would be for in the beginning for it

to just be so quiet. I think it would be something that was on the news being dragged out forever and ever, and that the individual who committed the crime quote in quote would be somebody who or or they would have other opportunities that they lose because of it. Now, I can't say that that didn't happen to him. I'm just saying I feel like it would have been different. But we do now know that both people are going

to be charged at least. So that's a little update on something probably nobody else kids about with me, but something. But you know, I've told you I'll be tracking white people's stuff and now in other white people news. Um, and this is something that you know, it's really really serious. Actually, let me tell you why this is serious. Right First,

Governor the Sansis, which is the governor in Florida. He is definitely definitely unless there's something in his background, some black face or you know, and even that even that, I don't know, it has to be something in his background that if he didn't kill nobody, now, I mean, there's some of other things that he that could be in his background that would invigorate he could. I don't know, but well, you're right, because if he raped the woman,

a becoming president is a little different. But then Donald Trump said grabbing by the pussy, So I mean, Joe Bide, it's a lot. Listen, these guys got a lot of things. They got a lot of things. So it's possible that no matter what he has in his background, nothing will stop him from at least running for president. And he has a very good chance of being the Republican pick, right, which means that the Republicans will be putting all their

support behind him. Florida is a hardass state already, Like it is very difficult to beat conservatives in Florida because we know what the state represents, we understand the makeup, you know, you know it's it's it's tough there. So the Santists he is more than likely going to run, and he could very well be the Republican nominee who was something. And then at this at that point, because

I don't think Trump. I think Trump's time, He's in his swan song, He's it's almost over um and then he could win, right, the Scantists could win if we're not on top of him. Now he has banned African American AP studies from the high schools. Now this is important, right because he has also he's the one who started the whole critical race theory banning it from schools. He has been working really hard to do something that is critically important and that is undermining education about history as

it relates to African Americans or Africans in America. He has been on to undermine it and really try to reverse everything that people fought to get in the curriculum so that not just black folks can learn this stuff, but so white students would also be educated. The problem that they had those white folks who are many of them are in many of them or the leaders of this. They're in what is considered to be the top one

percent two percent, right, they are their issue. Their problem is that more white people, and especially younger white people, are becoming more and more aware every single day of the oppression and the racism and the suffering of African Americans and other people of color. They are becoming more aware. So when you have a situation like Kelly and Conway during the time, why Donald Trump was I don't know, I don't know if he was running for president again

or yeah, probably was. During the presidential election, she was her daughter, Kelly and Conway's daughter at Kelly and Conway for anybody that doesn't know, at one point she was the White House spokesperson or you know, she was at the at the podium. I guess she was. I don't know if she was over um uh public relations, but I know she was a spokesperson, so she was at the podium. I figured she might have been the press secretary.

She might have been. So anyway, when Kelly and comment, um, you know, she was obviously supporting him in his re election bid and his and her daughter was on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok and everywhere else telling all the business talking about Donald Trump, saying her mother was a hypocrite, saying that Donald Trump was dangerous. She she was really taking to social media to stop her mother, or at least to expose her mother's support for a bigot and a racist. Right.

So this went on with a number of the young people, the kids and the families of a bunch of folks. For instance, give you another egg example Julius Jones, Right, Julius Jones. We fought like hell, along with so many leaders people who were out there every day fighting to get Julius Jones off death row right before, like seconds minutes, right before he was scheduled to actually go be executed for a crime we know he did not commit. The

governor was receiving calls and pushed back from everybody. Anybody you could think of, was calling the governor from white folks, black folks, round folks, any and everybody. People with power, people with position, people with money. Everything. So after a while people started tweeting at writing and calling good excuse me, the governor's daughter telling her, hey, you know, stop your father, Make your father sign what he needs to sign to

stop the execution. The daughter was responsive and said, I've already expressed I'm used that Julius Jones should live right now. She wasn't derogatory. Kelly and Conway's daughter was off the chain. She was going live in the house with her mother, like showing her mother and being like, you're did her exactly. But you know, the governor's daughter for for Julius Jones, his position, you know, his daughter's position wasn't that it

was um uh disrespectful to him. In any way. But she basically let it be known that she sides with the people. She supports our perspective in terms of stopping

the execution against this man. This is important for what is happening with the Santis, because what's happening with them is saif as they sit down the one percent as the two percenters and they have conversations about their homes whereas they grew up in environments where the granddaddy was a racist, the daddy was a racist, and they have learned all about racism and are upholding it themselves, and

damn it, they are racist. To what is happening now is as we integrate into society, because we know that one of the major problems that these one percenters and otherwise of white folks have is how they are becoming a minority in our society because there are more browning.

The country is browning, if you will. The country is continuing the brown especially the Latino population is growing um exponentially, right, and so that that is one of the big pushbacks that we have is trying to figure out how would all this integration, people living together, people moving together, how do they stop their own from becoming sensitive to the issues and that we're concerned about, and how do they stop them from actually joining us and our movements the

way we have seen white folks being all up in the marches and the protests and giving money. The best thing that you can do to make up people ignorant is to stop edge icating them on history and then allowing them to be exposed to current what is happening in the in the current state. And so he he's not just doing this because he woke up one day

and was like, I just want to be mean. No, it's a part of a plan to dismantle what we have worked hard to build and to ensure that that our education and the education about our stories and the truth about black people and what and and main and more importantly, the truth about what America has done and continues to do to us that they unraveled at every single angle, and education is a really important place to

start it. So that's what they're doing, Um, And that's dangerous, isn't, Like you said, it's intentional and it's and it's because what you see with these children, right, what you see with your our children, and and they're coming they're speaking out against injustice because they're learning, they're doing the actually doing history is in the books. They're they're surrounded like it's a Milton Pot's black people, the brown people in school.

They giving their history and they're learning in their school. So when when their children are coming home and saying mom and dad, did you know this happened? And why why haven't we done more? And what have you done? And when when all this is happening, what were you doing? Right? They don't want to deal with that, the white guilt, right,

So they want to eliminate white guilt. They want to eliminate education and actual you know, comaraderie with having us having white allies, their children turning into white alies, their children looking too over overturn and overrun white supremacy, and and and and shut down the systems of white supremacy. When you look into these streets, it's a lot of these young white kids out there advocating for civil rights.

So they don't want that. They're trying to study, like now, we we can't we can't keep having our kids, you know, understanding how racist America was and what they've done through our years to black and brown people. So we want

to we want to stop this education. So the Santists and everybody along that mind state is very very strategic, Like they havn't they have think tank that explaining to them that in the next ten to twenty years with this world will look like and how the education system is going to impact on what white people are doing, and how you know, they're taking away from the white supremacist soldiers, so to say, because they can't keep feeding them the tea and keep giving them the koola They're

not sipping the kool aid no more because they'd be educated. So the best way to do it is to take it out the education system and make them have to get it so well. Is the same way they did with slaves for years. They didn't want to educate slaves at all because they know to educate them is to empower them. Well, they tell us that we need to say enslaved people, enslaved pave um. But you know you're right.

That's the all I can say is we know, we know what, we just need to make sure eybody else knows. And I think the only other point is this is why elections matter and why we have to be paying attention from local to federal every single election super local. It's important I understand that there is a desire to say, that's why we need to build our own institutions so we can educate our own people. But again, it's not

just about educating our own. If we're gonna live in a society with others, we want them to be educated as well. If you have a system where yes, all these governors, all of these people, we don't think not one of them is radical enough and that they have a strong enough conviction for um, for for justice. Right, we don't see that right. We know that it's not there, but we do know that there are degrees to which things can get much worse, and de scientists is a

very dangerous individual. So when we're sitting around talking about what we need to make money so we can build our institutions, that's fine, but we also as leaders have to know that the masses of our people are not where you are. You're building something, but you're not even there yet, because it's nothing that you have at this point that is creating or that is that is educating a man, the real structure of the system people that

created finances or just educating your finances. So the reality of situation is you're not creating ship to build more money, and that ship is cool, but you haven't been Nobody has been successful or even intentional about building a system that combats this system. Right, So that's something until we are and I'm not saying that it's not stages, but while you're working on stages, you have to realize that another part of the stages is trying is hard reduction.

We need harm reduction, and not voting in these elections is really really dangerous because actually introducing home very much. So. So here's a little bit of health information, especially for women who are out there that her yesterday, I watched

it on the news. Actually, I was sitting in the doctor's office waiting for my um ultrasound and mammogram appointment in which it has received my report and they did not find any breast cancer anywhere from under my arm, which is the nymph, the men lint whatever, thank you lymph nodes things, um, you know, to my breast. And you know, by the way, ladies, I was gonna talk about something else, but this is important when you are having issues, if you feel a bump of pain or whatever.

And I know insurances some cover different things me personally, I have to pay out of pocket for the ultrasound portion of my mammogram because my insurance covers mammogram, but it does not cover me getting an ultrasound unless there is something seriously wrong. However, the ultrasound is important because the mammograms at times it can different things can be hidden, cancer can hide in different spaces. Is so the ultra sound is an extra reassurance of what the mammogram has

already said. So my first mammogram report said that it did not detect cancer. It was negative UM. Maybe a little bit assist here and there, but that's something that we as UM women and especially black women, that we had and we do have to monitor and manage UM. But then the ultrasound confirmed it by going back over

all the areas. And so you're listening. Even if you're a man and you got a woman at home and you don't know, Aska, when's the last time you had a mammogram, and do you think about, you know, getting ultra sounds as well. It's important that we check our breast because early detection is the best detection and it is the best solution for care. And how if you do catch something your life can be longer based upon

getting the treatment that you need. So I have a clean bill of health with that area, and every month I'm doing something for the next few months just to make sure all the different things on my body that's together. Anyway, UM, I saw that New York is going to be a state that gives out abortion pills. Um. Now, you know, we believe in the right to choose. Everybody doesn't need kids, some people have mistakes, issues, all kinds of things, rapes, lots of things happen, and we are not here to

judge anybody for the decisions that they make. There's two different types of abortion pills. So actually I was in the doctor's office watching in the news and it was a nurse there, the head nurse of one of the departments actually was just sitting talking with me, UM, and she began to explain these two different in this, by the way, is my UM thought of the day. The thought of the day today is about being super educated, just like I just told you all about the mammogram

and then an ultrasound being the follow up. And by the way, your doctor, if your doctor feels like you need it, they can put an order in where it will be covered under your insurance if they really feel like you needed, especially for people who have had any type of augmentation, breast augmentation, you need to make sure that it's that you're going the extra mile. So this

is about education, super important. So when the news showed that the that they're giving that they're giving out abortion pills in New York for free, you can go pick them up. She said to me, I said wow, And so, oh, is this hospital also going to be a part of that program? She said, of course, right, it was. It's a city hospital actually, And so she begin to explain that there's a difference education. There is a Plan B pill, which is for oops, you know, hey, I don't know

last night things it was to pull out. Wasn't that good? The condom got stuck. I'm just not sure. I'm gonna go get this pill within a certain amount of hours. And the purpose of that pill is to put a coating around the the the cervix and the uterous area where the it won't stick with the egg, right, so it blocks it so that the egg won't be penetrated and you can't get pregnant. And that's the early prevention thing. That has to happen within whatever the time is. They

tell you on the plan B pill the abortion. There's another pill. This is a pill that when you take it it actually for some time. It could be up to again. You gotta read read, read the information on the package because it can help you basically have an abortion later on. It's not the early part that stops

you from getting pregnant at all. This is one that once you are pregnant, it can help to expire the pregnancy or it will expire the pregnance se and most times the plan is that you take it and then you have contractions you know of, you feel it, and eventually the fetus comes out, right, it will, it will

come out. The problem with that is that some people need to have themselves checked so that they in case they need something called a d n C. A d n C is where they go inside and they scrape out anything that may be left so that you don't have infections and things developing in your body from a foreign object or a foreign thing being there, foreign cell

being in your system. So the problem the reason why education is so important, because we could sit here and act like, oh, it's just the women that don't take care of themselves, drug addicts and streak people, and you know that the class of people that we like to look at a certain type of way. But the truth is that business women get busy, they don't want to go back to the doctor, they don't take care of themselves properly, mothers with two kids, people who are struggling,

stress and traveling, all kinds of people. There is no specific type for people who do not take care of themselves properly and do follow up. So if you take that abortion pill and just go about your business and don't take care of your body, it can actually be very harmful. It is not to say don't use it,

don't get it. I support anybody needs it. I'm saying make sure that you're educated on the full process so you can take care of yourself and know that you're not creating even more problems than the original one, which was being pregnant and having an unwanted pregnancy. So please get educated people, or that the day today is that we can't just be doing stuff to do it, We've got to be smart about it. And it's just time,

Like we know, it's enough information out there. The mere fact that she told me this information, and they didn't say it on the news, by the way they hate on the news. I'm sure they assumed that when you get it wherever you pick it up from, I'm sure there's a pamphlet and sake and but sometimes here is six times from different places. So when she said it to me, I felt like it was important for me to say it to others. Good job, Good job to me.

Can educate the people, educate people on what you're wearing today, so we can get our guest on. Oh well, so listen, man, my guy Ray rough Riders, he's always supported me, man chasing Chicken and he got Jada Kiss. They've been doing anything for years, man, So shout out to them. And you see my hat funk. Respectfully, I brought this from a black owned sneakers store in Brooklyn, so you know I'm doing I'm still doing my part, pushing you know what I'm saying, I'm wrong with that. I suppose let's

bring our guests on. Let's go. That's so today we got we have a friend back. The last few guests we've had, they became guests, I mean friends after the show because we didn't really know them. Beforehand. But this one is our actual friend and dear sister. You know, she's my my buddy, my cut buddy. You shouldn't don't leave us anywhere together because we we cuts up real bad everywhere we go. And that's because you know we we appreciate sisterhood. We appreciate getting to enjoy one another

and um and and learning together. You know, we we educate one another, We pray for one another. We we just we we we we talked about our children. We spend a lot of time trying to break away from the norms of what like the society is constantly pulling and pulling and pulling. And we're both givers, um, so we find in a lot of ways to invest in one another. And I'm really really proud of watching will

send his growth. I remember the other day I heard you talking um to somebody saying you're working on your vision board. And I think about this young lady who send across and where she started with people doing vision boards to having an organization that is doing serious like critical re entry work, working with women and others, not just in America but around the world. I have seen her. I'll be looking on social media I'm like, okay, that's a check. You got booked all the way and God

knows where um. And So I want to introduce lou send Across, which most of y'all you don't know Lucinda, you should know her. She's the founder of Activate Your Life, an organization dedicated to supporting women's re entry and reducing recidivism and recidivism. In this conversation is super important. You'll hear more about Lucenter's um story and why she's not just a perfect guest for the show today, but why she has is dedicated and committed to the work that

she's doing. So welcome, will Send across. My sister, Hey, thank you for having me. I'm excited. What's going on with you? Man, I'm good. I'm good. Brother Mice, I'm good, I'm good. The general looking good. You always inspiring, you know,

I go to get motivation. Like she said, I was talking about my vision board, and the first time I ever heard about the vision board was at the event that she was doing vision and I was like okay, and then it's something that stuck with me and it's been very well, like like I'm one of those people that gotta see things but I'm also one of those people that don't like to plan. So I'm like in between, like I'm very creative. I like to just get to things, and I don't like to plan. So that's one of

my things. Pet peevele minds that I three that I said, I really want to get over. I wanted to start planning things out. I want to start writing things down. I want to start visually seeing and putting things in order. So that's that was one of the things I did, and you was a big inspiration for that. So I want to say thank you. I pad myself going back to get a man involved. That's huge. Yeah, it's you,

you know. So so tell us about um, tell us about activate your life, you know, because we I want we're gonna go into you. But I want to hear about act because it's so deep. You got so many layers of dopeness, you know. So we're gonna, well, listen, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take all the flowers right now. Hold on, Yeah, hear my speaking. But um, what I will say because it's to me, this is important, right, this is part of reducing recipivism. And so for me

with the organization, activate your life. It started from my own personal journey of being in concerrated at risk. You just out there and trying to find a quick hustle. No one told me how to plan, No one told me how to set goals. Where I came from, in the BRONX b X, in the building where I came from, there was there was no one coming to the community to save you or to say hey, I've made it

and this is what you could possibly become. So either you idolize those who were on the street or you became a part of the street for me in my experience, and so we activate your life. What happens after you've gone through a traumatic situation, What happens after you've been in concentrated or had some type of criminal encounter. What

happens who where's the plan? Where's the process? Because you end up going back to sometimes the same communities, to the same people who's doing a lot of the same things, and no one, there's no growth, And so we activate your life. Our goals is we're on the four pillars education, empowerment, entrepreneurship, and economics, and so we focus on those four pillars to say, listen, we can help you with the plan, and that leads back to vision boarding. But we let's help,

let's create a plan for success. What does this look like? What do you use these resources that you run into so ensure not only do we bridge the gap between partnerships that we create almost every week with other re entry organizations and halfway houses, but just really stepping out into the community and say, listen, without my lashes and all this other stuff, I was here and I was able to create a plan and let me show you how to do this. And we have mentors and mentees

that link up to support one another. So I love the organization. I love what I do, and it's more of the reason why I wake up every day when I feel like saying not today, no, go walk into that halfway house and let those ladies know they could do it. How long have you been in existence? How long has activated been in existence? So I've been doing the work with this since two thousand and ten officially and under the nonprofit because people with my mentors said,

you gotta you gotta do something. Let me turn this

into a professional business, uh, two thousand and fifteen. So the main program and is going into working with women who are at risk, or you just work with women because I see women, which, by the way, what I was getting ready to say or what I am gonna say to prove, to prove a point about the level of ignorance that a lot of people have, is that these women that I see, they gotta they look good as hell, Okay, that go to your events and they spending a little bit of cheese to get in right,

So it's not like you just doing stuff for free. All over you have women who want to pay you, because I've seen I've heard them like investing in you so that you could come and work with them. And the reason why I talk about the ignorance is because one would think that that group is a group of people who was like busted and broke down, and they do not look that way at all. Yeah no, And that's that's where that's the for profit side, right, that

leads to being a mentor for the nonprofit side. But those women that show up at these events that we call it, we nation those women that show up, we we want to combine an executive and a woman who's recently. Most of the women we work with are already released, right They've been released for several years. Some of them are working on their second third masters. Right, it's not a game out here. They're highly educated. They are supporting

their families. But women who have been released on working on their second and third masters. Yes, my god. There's an organization called College and Community Fellowship and they support and push these women into getting their degrees and getting educated. I mean, it's it's it's phenomenal. But what happens when you come out and you don't know where to go? Everyone is telling you just get a job. So bridging the gap with these resources, let's you know, okay, here

we can get some money. My goal, My job is to sit at the table with Delta Airlines, to sit at the table with Capital One. We need funding to make sure that these women have what they need to succeed and thrive economically. And and are you hiring them? You know, are you hiring them not just you know, making it a check on the box. So if this is what you want to do, are you really doing the work? And if so, let's see the numbers. What

does that look like? When I think about I hear that black women are the biggest growing population in prisons right now, right, so I want to know, just from a standpoint of professionalism, what are the biggest challenges that black women are having that that you find that taking them to jail, and then what what the challenge that you have when they re enter society. AH, lack of lack of funding, finance, and lack of support, family support.

A lot of times these women, A big part of it, the a big percentage of it is not just it's not having that family support. There is no support system. They are the whole support system, either for their their families or for their children. And then when they come home, they still have to fall back into place and pick up those pieces, still trying to put their own life together. It's extremely tough. And then not to have the financial resources.

Not everyone who comes home is running to the social service department. They don't want to do that. There's a level of of pride as well, and I love that. I admire that, But the main thing is just not having those resources, and then they end up falling. This is why reducing recidivism is important. They end up falling in some of those same old patterns. Let me just do this to get here, let me just do this to to level up and and and get myself on

to on a playing field. So it's unpacked that. Let's unpack that because more specifically, like what is it exactly that they're getting charged with that's making them the fastest going population? And then what are we doing for our men that is slowing down the amount of black men going in? So is it that there is programming more so targeted towards trying to keep black men out of prison? And black women are not included in that just because people don't see us as being at risk as much

like what would you say? The issues are all right, let's too and I love this, I love these questions who you know, but these women are on these men on these cases as well, and a lot of times they're taking the charge to less of the time for their partner. So listen, I can't take this charge, baby, you know, can you? And so a lot of times the weight is also put on them a lot of times with these cases or they're connected in the case because if he's driving in the car, you was driving

with him in the car. He's got the minx, you got the minks, he got the cars, you've got the cars. So the charges is a big on drugs. Big on drugs, big on the scamming right now, Identity theft huge, right, So outside of just drugs, it's the it's the identity theft and whether it's trafficking or whether it's possession, that's the main you know what I'm seeing now on the statistics. The other side of it is these women are taking

these charges. They have no problem with saying, all right, I'll do this one to three so he doesn't get this because it's harder. The laws are a lot harder on the man. So I'll do this one to three for you so you don't have to do this seven attend. Somebody has to be home for our child, damn and and and most of the times there is no planned in place to say, listen, this is what we're doing. Even if she wasn't involved. A lot of times the women may not have may not be involved, but because

they're connected, and there goes the conspiracy. It the system is tricky. It is they leave no wiggle room, they leave no room to to look at the true case in the matter. And it's sad, it's it's it's sad, but we were pushing forward. We're pushing forward. We have to look at these policies. We have to look at these laws, We have to look at why are we

constantly sending these men back once they want. It's like once you touch down one time with the criminal justice system, there goes to keep your name rotating, and it's it's it's if you can never get free from that number and become the name that you are for both sides,

men and women. So when I listened to this, right, I remember I was talking to Remy, my sister, the rapper, the entrepreneur, Remy Ma from the Bronx, and we was talking about prison and she was just talking about how the visiting floors in the prison is nobody coming to visit these women. There's no men when these visiting floors, but she used to be down there is probably two or three visits. And I'm listening to you, and I know also well that a lot of these women are

taking these charges. A lot of men got three strikes and they're like, yo, look you're gonna get four or five years. They're gonna get me twenty five or thirty. And women are holding their men down. So what happens so all these men when they come back in society are men taking kid of these women or they do you see that happening? Are structures I mean just from just not even just from the institutional stuff, just knowing you being a woman who is formally incarcerated and having

friends who have to our men playing their roles. Like when women get back society are they holding them down? Like are they trying to rebuild them? Because there's a lot of women that when men get home, they got women that's I got a place for you to live this So I don't is that happening because I want, I want because I want us to do better as a lot of them. Because I'm I'm constant and I'm consistent on calling up man because I feel like we've we've fallen from a level of just grace, a level

of strength, like a level of just responsibility. I don't see it, and I'm saying us. I don't just say me because I'm even myself. I got to call out certain ship because society has normalized bullshit for us. So I'm asking you so that it ain't just coming from me. I want to hear what you have to say so men can be listening and stopping. Oh y'all just mad and wouldn't know. You gotta listen to the reality of

what's going on when people are dealing with situations. Is a woman are telling you, this is ari reality, this is what we're dealing with. You're gonna listen to it so that you could do better, So not to give a BS pass right to what you was just saying the mindset, where's the reform? So yes, he may come home and she's got the house and she's been holding it down, but where's the reform for him mentally? And where's the reform for her? Without having the mail at home?

How can we expect Now, we're two different people. One is both are institutionalized. Just because one was in prison and one was at home taking care of family or taking care of herself. Both are institutionalized. There's no reform, there's no support, there's no therapy, there's no conversation on the female side or the woman's side. She has expectations, most likely won't be mad because he also is trying. He has expectations and a vision and it's just like, listen,

I'm just trying to get back in the groove. You you, you, you two on me? You? What's what's going on and I can only speak as a woman's side just here and what men are saying. But they're both learning each other because you're two different people. Now, what's the home is broken? This is my point of view, my experience and observation. It's broken. We have to start from ground zero. We can't start while I was there for you, holding you down for eight years. Okay, but my eight years.

You know how much stuff and stress and stuff that I gotta hide from you. That's that I'm sleeping with that night. And then you want me to wake up and still be in a great mood and ask you how is your day and did you get the kids to school? It doesn't work like that, and vice versa. She's on the same level. She's like, you think it's just about you looking cute and everybody giving you a bag to get yourself together. We've been struggling here. You know.

You know how many times I have to show order the show casts. So both are damaged because the home has been broken for whatever reason. And there is no real hut back together pattern right because mom has been for the men's for the women and who is is inside? And remy mins correct inside you don't see grandma's bringing the babies, right, So but with as grandpa, Okay, grandpa is not in the home at all, and then you look the generation before that, So it's men missing out

of the home structure, missing out of the home. There's no foundation to start with, right, We just was having fun. Then the foundation broke because somebody got inconcierrated, and now we're coming back into brokenness at the same time. So it's hard to mend that together. Listen, I've been there on both sides, doing the visits to I gotta go see my boyfriend. So then it was on me, you know, shipping out the packages, and then I'm like, hey, nobody's

sending me packages. Everybody in the hood was enjoying the sneakers and everything. Nobody sent me a magazine. So it builds a level of bitterness and anger and frustration that it's never healed. It's a healing issue. I don't think it's something that we can put on men or women. There's no healing. There was no healing from the start, so we can't expect it to be healing in the process of us trying to grow and get back into

let me be a woman and not my number. Let me be a man and not what society is calling me is the statistic who's just they're just waiting to lock me up again. So you said we were just having fun and then it all blew upright, life just changed? So talk about that for you, right, and your story of how you ended up incarcerated, because when I've heard this story before, sounds like it was all just a good time and then it just wasn't you know, So what's that transition like from it being a good time

to it being some serious, serious stuff? And what was life like being incarcerated at what age were you? Eight? Nineteen? The fun? For me, it started out of a need, right, And you hear that often. I hear it often in the street. Listen, I need to do this. You know my mother doesn't happen. So for me, it started as a need. My mother was a single mother. I had three younger brothers. I'm the oldest. I didn't want to put the financial pressure on her. We were in they

called it night shall we called it the projects. So I'm in the project. So it's like listen, and now I'm in this school that I don't fit in at and I'm like I need to get some money. These girls got a m X cards a drive in here. I am walking from the Bronx to catch a bus to walk again to New Rochelle to go to this. I own a private school. I'm playing myself and I'm broke and I'm hungry, and everybody's looking good but me.

I have to find a way. And of course, when you set yourself and the intention, same thing with goals. You set your intentions. And I need to get some money. I need to get this money. Of course, there's going to be some other opportunities that come your way to say, oh, you want to get some money, Let's let's just wave some carrots in front of her. And I decided to say Plan B instead of Plan A, and Plan B led me traveling, And yes, did I enjoy it. At first it was a need. I was like, I'm going

to travel, Go get the suitcase. Drop the suitcase, so we'll pick up another suitcase. Drop at all. And so from me going from Thailand, Africa's in Japan to Singapore, all these places picking up suitcases and dropping them off. When they people joke down like oh, secure the bag, workshop, No, Lucy, secure the bag, it was really go get the Samson nights, put them on the plane and just sit there and act like you're modeling and do what you have to do.

It became now an addiction because the money was coming fast. I was traveling at the same time, and yeah, I thought it was a joke. I'm like, they stopped me numerous times, never caught me. This is this is the life. I'm going back to my head now my hood celebrity. So now I'm not just one of y'all. Now I'm like, oh, yeah, she's she's getting us to sneak because she's doing this, She's doing that. You know, she's we getting motorcycles like now, like hood celebrity, it's a high, and it's it's a

naive high. I don't glorify it because it's nothing to glorify. But my message, even and sharing this with you all, even for the young girls who are watching or the women who are watching, that stuff dies down when you're inside. You're no longer this person with the minks and the chains and the cars and supporting the community. None of that matters. When you got to put that orange suit on. And that was my wake up call after making all of this money. So people said, how much money you make?

I don't even want to talk about that. Do you want to know how many times I almost lost my mind my first encounter inside of UM being in conserrator and I was part of the case that I didn't even know existed, doing my thing, getting my suitcases, dropping the dope, picking it up, dropping the dope, and picking my money in from Chicago, coming back to New York and just having a blast. Not like what you how they see you on tea like have come on, y'all

cop there? I think crazy. Yeah, it was a big deal. You was a part of a case you didn't even know it was a part of. And a lot of times we think that it's just us. My name was my whole case, the whole case twenty It started out with sixty five co defendants down to all females. None of the men got inconcierrated, all females. All was the the phone conspiracy. All they heard was my name on the telephone line. They never caught me. They've seen me.

They couldn't catch me. They and not that I was running. They tried to get my suitcases and of course I'm eighteen, like what y'are doing, Like, come on, hurry up, ye'll messing up my opinion Colada, like I'm ready to get into Mexico. Very naive and arrogant. They never called me. This was a telephone conspiracy starting all the way from Thailand to Lagos, Nigeria, Chicago to New York. I was it was two of us from New York. That was

the only people that was on the case. Two Americans and the youngest Americans on the case at the tail end, at the tail end at that. Yeah, I'm sorry, I just kind of just asked one. I just want to what state were you in when you serve time? Um, so I went from New York. The case was in Chicago, and then I served my time in Bryan, Texas using the fat fats. Yeah so, and how how much time did you serve? Four and a half fear as well, that's crazy old women. I never heard of old women,

old women, old women. Because the women on the case, what did they do? They protected the men? Wow, they protected the MANSO was all twenty eight of us CO defendants on the case and they just took it. But what my point is, what I was saying is even being extradited from New York to Chicago. As big as the case was at that time, my first nine months was inside the seg because they were like, we don't notice there's like twenty there's something co defendants upstairs. She's

the only American and the youngest. Do we send her upstairs? I had to fight to even get into general population nine months by myself in the South. Why would they even do that to a eighteen nineteen year old? Yeah, that's that I tell people. Southtary confinement is is a mental breakdown. It's it's mental offair. It definitely breaks down your minds. If anytime you do over the early days in South Tak confinement you have mental health issues and

you instantly have it. I tell you that I experienced seclusion and issues, but like I need to be by myself. I can't be around people all the time. I deal with that and it comes from just being in the box. For what I did, like ninety days in the box, and after the thirty days it was too much. So I know a lot of my friends who get five and six years and ten years, and I watched the way that they are unable to even interact in society yeah. The only thing I did vice I told you, I said, God,

just keep my mind. There was a ward in her name was Ms. Christmas out in the MCC Chicago, and she was the only one fighting to make sure that I got extra rect time. Man. But she didn't know the other stuff that was happening from her team that they were taking advantage of. That's a whole another, that's a whole another show of what happens being a female

and solitary confinement. Were you taking it manage of where the men and there were they were like, listen, the inmate, the male inmates in there, if it wasn't for some of those gang leaders at that time, not glorifying any of that, but sitting there ready to fight, to say, listen, if you don't let her out, we flood in this whole place. We're gonna end up if you don't let her out and get a shower. What are you doing

over there? By herself? It was horrible. So I told him, it's all fun and games when you're tossing it up the Gucci Louis, that's all nice. I ain't have none of None of that mattered, None of that mattered when I'm trying to when I'm being taking advantage of Back then you had to buy stamps. When you have when you got it, they taken advantage of you. So you can make a phone call to your mother. They'll get

a stamp to mail a letter. Horrible. Speaking of mental health, listen, what would you how do you describe your mental health state from that all those years ago? How many years has it been now? Oh? Man, we oh we all? Is it one years twenty one years later? Yeah? Because that was two thousand is when it was done. So what would you say your mental health state is today? Do you still have because you're so busy and you're

engaged in so much that is powerful. So I'm imagining that part of that is helps you with your mental health and just in general, because I know I feel the same way. All the stress we go through, all the things we do, every battle that we get in, it helps me to be encouraged that, you know what, at least we're still fighting. At least there is a mother that is grateful for our support, and that in

and of itself is very therapeutic. So I'm sure you have that, But are they Because I know I have watched both Jamilla T. Davis, our good friend and sister, and my son and my brother Derek and others. I have watched them and I can see clear signs of former incarceration because of just different behavioral things that they do, especially the seclusion stuff with my son. So do you feel like you experience something that you know comes from that time? That's why I want to ask you. Do

you see that way be? Do you see? No? No, but I don't. I don't. I don't travel with you and spend as much time got you you as I do with those folks. You know what I'm saying. So my mother God blessed her soul she before even going in. This is the reason why I would say the mindset shift for me and being mentally strong. Besides have a therapy right um. But she was a double psychology major, like two masters in psychology. I was helping her write all her papers. I was her guinea pig for every

mental project. So I was like her small little mental case. And so for me, I used all of that, all of that while I was inside and the whole reading, putting myself in a position thinking beyond my limits. And so you and and prayer work but it helped me to release it. My whole prayer was, God, just keep my mind. This is so horrible. I don't even want to remember what's going on, not to blank it out.

But I'll unpack it later. But with my mother's teaching and reading and her doing certain exercises with me, even including we call the creative visualization, but including like these vision board pieces, that wasn't that was that was key to keep in my mind right. And also the meditation is powerful. I went from studying Yo God to um E five African religion to Muslim. I just dropped myself into so many things that I wanted to see. There's

no way you're gonna take my mind. If I build it right, If I build it and I build on it and I create the spiritual thing, I can m this. It's a muscle and it's and it's it's extremely strong. I honestly got weak mentally when I got home, but inside powerful, powerful, only because of my mother's uh teaching before even arriving there, before even knowing, I mean, starting from eight years old, being constantly taught how to think, how to handle your fears, how to handle your emotions.

She didn't have when a breakdown. Wait, where's your emotions, that's energy, emotion, Get yourself together, let's understand where this is coming from. Some things you keep, some things you release. She was very very strict on how we carried ourselves and character. Her whole thing was character, not cloud character. Build your character, build your mindset and it will never be broken. And she didn't lie. She didn't lie because she used to watch me when I came up. You're good,

You're okay, you have a nightmares mind, I'm good. You can make me a sandwich, you know. But it was, it was that's the truth. I'm not trying to be a superhero role here, but most people don't have that. They don't have the You go straight from the streets to whatever, straight into a conservation and you come back out. Where's the training? Mentally? Prison teaches you to be a survive,

to survive. My mother taught me how to mentally thrive before even getting there, without even knowing her daughter, her only daughter, would be in prison. Well, like I said, I'm always inspired by you and just listening to you being and having that same you know, experience, but just not having someone who was adept in the knowledge, like your mother was, so you know you you were blessed with that type of two and someone who can tone the energy and direct it and redirect you and give

you all those things you need to. You're blessing that man and you. And that's why you're such a beacon of light because you were giving that same energy and you give that radiate that same energy back. And everybody in your presence is lucky to have you. You are jewel,

you are pride. We definitely appreciate you, you you know. I just want you to leave us with something that one of the most important things that you learned throughout life, like a real life lesson that you feel is like one of the most important things that if these young girls or or anybody is hearing it right now, that they can just take with them and along their journey too, you know, if they even if they're not just forming, just what you learned about life, right, because I mean,

some people are inconcerrated and they're free and they've never touched a prison, right they're just mentally inconcerrating and they can't break out of it. And back to that point, I did deal I still do deal with being an introvert, like I'm okay with being in my little corner. Too much interaction is too much. I want after I get off the stage, I want to get in my corner. So my thing that I want to leave people with

is never let your past define you. I know we've we've heard that before, but no matter what pain you have gone through, use that, use that pain, use your story, use your message, and impact somebody else's life that helps you to get over what you've gone through. So that's what I would leave them is take what you went through, your pain, and push it out for someone else to help them get on purpose. Well, damn it, you're using yours.

You are an international phenomenon. And I know it's not easy for you to talk about that story still too, I can see and it always is that way. Every time you have to speak about what you've been through. You can see the discomfort, you know, because it is in your past, but it is such a powerful part of how you're able to touch so many women. Because number one, and then we like to we no I'm not. I'm not saying she's not, but as someone who's never

been incarcerated, but I have struggles. Right when I look at you, I realized it could have been worse. It could have been worse, right, it could have been worse,

and yet we're still look at you, you're standing. So I know I can stand because I haven't even been through this one I And it helps me when I'm looking at some of these mothers who lost their children to you know, the system, and hey, mine is still here, right here, in fact, in this moment, right and and and and and and and I know that it could

be worse. But it's our responsibility to fight like hell to try to prevent more tragedy from occurring in our communities and more women from going down a path that once you go down that path, the it's not it doesn't just break you, it breaks our entire community. It breaks our entire society because black women are so needed, we're so powerful. We actually are the foundation of America one. And we know that. And so your strength is my strength.

My strength belongs to someone else. And I just want to say that you, you know, just keep pushing forward. I know you will. Nothing will stop you. You. You know, I remember when we was getting dollars to speak somewhere if that and today you can add some zeros um you know to our but what we say, if it's we'll still take it, don't don't don't call us, because

we still will take it. But thank God, you know, God saw to it that we were, that a seed was poured into us for those seeds that we have planted. And um, and I'm just I'm just I'm proud of you. That's it. That's all I can say. Same here, same here, and listen, we all in there. We are all in this together. Even as I sit here today, still fighting a generational curse in my own personal situation, right and so still fighting to make sure my children are not

mentally inconcerrated or physically inconcerrated. So it's still a challenge, um, that goes beyond you know, just even this conversation with these households in these communities and what these families really need, what they really the struggle continues, Thank you to our dear sister. And we gotta I gotta get you sit down with the stand up so you can get deep into this conversation. So that's the next interview. Count me in, count me in, activate your life. If you don't know

listening across you better go follow her right now. Get you better get to know it, right, life changing, a life changing sister. And to me, just watching your lives and watching everything you do, you become a friend to people who never met you. So thanks for joining Street Politician says, thank you. My sister, Lucinda cross Man. She's

she's a began man of life. Just understanding what she's been through and just watching her always maling, always educating, always you know, enlightening and worried about others understanding that what she went through, you know, the impact that it had on her, and wanted to make sure that, you know, she can lighten the load of other women who are formally incarcerated and re enter in society. So actually she's amazing.

You know when she talks about I know a lot about the story, and when she talks about the things that she went through, you know, she she mentions very like gloss over. You know, why why are you as an officer standing next to herself? That the male um incarcerated individuals saw that and was like, we're not gonna allow you. Whatever you think you're trying to do, you're not gonna do it in here. That's the type of stuff that she suffered being in prison four four and

a half years. I can imagine that transfers and trans and she talks about how terrible transporting is from one jail to the next. I hated being transported, but I didn't want to go to doctor's visits, you know, two reasons. That was two reasons that I didn't go to my grandmother's funeral. I didn't even want to traveling from upstate

and all. And what you go through and trans is like the words should ever like nobody wants to do trans Yeah, she went from New York to Chicago to Texas, so and that brings me to my I don't get it. As we talked about incarceration, this is an excellent segue I was hearing over the last couple of days. One Savage on Clubhouse, which is the place I think is the worst place in the world. Like Clubhouse to me is a sesspool of individuals who actually have nothing going on.

But but clubhouse they only for twenty four and forty eight hours. And first of all, I don't understand why some wanted successful with twenty one savage who has money, who has fame, who has all this ship? It's in the peak pen on Clubhouse like and and he's been there for you, and I just teach trying to figure out, like, Savage, why do you keep being on Clubhouse with these dudes that don't got nowhere in there as much to lose

as you. They're trying to get you out of your character, they're talking crazy to you, they're trying to make you click bait, they're trying to be get a news cycle with you. Why do you constantly entertain it? And once again he's entertaining dudes. You know that I wanted to rail him up and talking about violence and this and that, and I'm just saying, I don't get why someone who has so much to lose and who is who's who's

overcame so many obstacles. It's constantly on Clubhouse, like, come on, Savage, like, you're one of the artists that I actually a young dude that I see trying to grow, you know what I'm saying. And you let these people pull you, let these people you trick you out of your spot, because that's what's gonna happen. And the ship he's talking about on it, which I'm not even gonna talk about, but what he's talking on there is actually allowing people to put trick him out of the spot. If you know,

I believe that the fences all over the clubhouse. I believe that they just sit in clubhouse rooms and they just taking notes and they're following you and they're tapping your phone. Because these people on clubhouse give you so much information about everybody talking about who's snitching, what they told how they know because they was there and a man's man's was there and they was on the phone call and they put the text message on there. It's it is. It is the rest haveing for the FBI.

So what I don't get is why somebody like Savage is constantly on their and he's not talking about you know, I won't understand if you're debating the AM about issues about the public or this and that, But they talk about streets and who could shoot who and how many niggas putt niggas down and hump and it just doesn't make sense to me, you know what I'm saying. And

I want and I want us to do better. Man. First, I want to crown you know, us to understand that it's we're not getting nothing by talking about how tough we are all we do. All we're doing is creating indictment on each other. We if I told we're gonna kill you and my man is doing this, it's a datement. It's a dibmentd what you needna happen, And they're just waiting to tie you into some bullshit. So not just

twenty one Savage, anybody of good more withstanders. I had to get off of Clubhouse because to me and told me, if you don't get the funk off a clubhouse nigga, you you can't work with me anohing any niggat. That's just on clubhouse talking to these nobody niggers. And I had to think about that. I was like wow, and it was just one of two conversations, but I thought, you know, I'm gonna go there. It's a it's a marketing and not realize that sh ain't no marketing tool.

It is a tool for the federalizes. It's nothing but low bottom feeders and people with federalities. Man, I don't it's nothing there man, So Savage, any other young king, please find you something else to do. Please clubhouse, say't it? Man? I do not get what you're doing on there. If you look at the niggers that's on there. It's like they give, they give credence, and they give little bits that should never have any level of relevance none at all. Clubhouse.

If you use any form of social media for progress, for change, for information, I'm with it. You know. I see there are some Clubhouse conversations, Like I see Lee Merritt, he pops in every now and then, and I know what he's on they're doing. He's on they're educating people about cases. Right. I'm not saying that there shouldn't also be formed just to have a good time, just to

laugh and talk stuff. But Clubhouse has become a sesspool of ignorance, and it really is a magnifying glass at the Internet in general, a bunch of faceless people for

the most part. And here this young man is twenty one Savage is somebody who we actually can see that it's not just Clubhouse though the entire I say this probably every show, and I'm in matter of fact, I've decided that's what I'm gonna do on every show if I have some content, I'm gonna talk about why the Internet is so dangerous, because that we we need to be aware of how the internet is actually killing our communities.

It's killing our people. Askin we are so addicted to it that if we gotta run to it with everything, and it can get us so stirred up that we end up talking so much that we talk too much. And that is it's the It's the drunkenness of media and and and and and and wanting to express your opinion and your feelings to people who most of the time they don't matter. And even if they do matter,

if they believe in you, they believe in you. And if they don't, they're not going to because you sat up and argue with people back and forth all day and night. So that's how I feel about social media and clubhouse. I went on there a few times. I probably will never go back. And I definitely two things I don't want. I don't want to work with anybody that sit up on clubhouse and argue with people all

the time, because it's too much for my nerves. And number two, I definitely definitely, as I am in my search of life for where my husband will come from, he can't be on clubhouse. So if you're on clubhouse, don't reach out, don't come to my d m s because I'm not interested. Clubhouse is the outhouse. And with that said, we've come to the end of another amazing episode of Street Politicians. Shout out to our guests, the incomparable who send across. You just gotta look up, you

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