What's up family, it's your girl, Tamika d. Mallory and it is.
Your boy might start a general.
And we are your hosts of Street Politicians, the place where the streets and politics me.
What's going on? Family?
We are in the last episode of season seven, so just interesting and you know, really, I mean, I just I guess I'm proud of us that for seven seasons we've been going strong, you know, really trying to bring together all the things we care about, all the things happening in our society, and talk about it on each week. You know, I don't know anyone who has a podcast, or anybody who's written a book, or anybody who works on projects knows that sitting still focusing on your.
Podcast or focusing on any type of project.
Like I said, it's a lot of work, especially with us the way that we travel and having to be in hotels and the corner of the car and the lobby of the place, and just trying to make sure that we pump out this content and get you all information every week. Is it is a task that we're
up for, but nonetheless it is a true task. And so for seven seasons we've been going strong, working alongside our family at Catscape Production, Janice and Anastasia and Cat Trig herself, and then of course our team at Bond Brand Management, LaToya Latitia. Just so many people that it takes to pull this show together. And I was talking to another friend of ours, Monique Presley, who has her own show, and she was saying, and this on her
show is on Instagram. It's not even like a show that has to go through a distribution network, like she's producing a show on Instagram. But she was talking about the editors and the people that she works closely with, and it is truly.
A lot of work.
So for seven seasons, many of y'all have been with us from the beginning. I know my sister Sharon Mallory watches every single episode. She's the critique lady, the cheerleader. She likes the content, she gets a lot of information and also shares a lot of stuff with us. So I just want to say thank you to everybody who's been sticking with us, the new, the old, The ind between people who have sent us messages were all types of love, and of course all the guests throughout the year.
You know, at one point one of the reasons why I was consuner right, I was concerned, and I was.
I was apprehensive because I know how difficult it is to track down celebrities and trying to get them booked to do your show. And if you show numbers are not like you know whatever, you don't have the numbers of the Breakfast Club. It's not easy to get certain types of guests to see the I mean yeah, certain types of guests, certain types of personalities and influencers to see the the value in going to your show versus
going to someone else's show. But what I appreciate is that between you, my son, and of course our whole team at Black Effect Network. Of course you know Charlemagne being you know, the key leader there, and.
Of course Dolly a bunch of folks. But everybody said, stick.
Exactly where you are, provide information, don't worry about trying to get celebrities, just make People will follow if you lead, if you give them the content. And You've been saying that since the beginning. And once I sort of got that monkey off my back of worrying about who was going to be the guests and who we are going to have on every week, and I just started to focus on the people who are our friends who do
good work. It seems like from there we've been, you know, really jelling and doing a good job.
Yeah, man, I told you, you build it and they'll come, man. So like, shout out to everybody who's been with us. It's been a long journey. You know, we're just getting
better and better. We're learning more. Like you said, we want to be more content based instead of you know, guest based, but we do want guests who have who can contribute something to the culture, contribute something to the conversations and the dialogues that we have because we know that, you know, our perspectives are more you know, we we
we come from a different lens. It's like I come from a different lens than you, and sometimes we need people that come from different lens than us and have more expertise and understanding on different topics.
You know.
So it's this This is like you said, it's been a journey, but it's been a good journey. I enjoy giving the content, I enjoy getting feedback. I enjoy our dialogues. I enjoy just educating because a lot of times we come because we have to do this this show, we edu ourselves on things that we probably normally will just see, but we know that we have to provide you know, we have to provide content for our listeners and and
our fans and the people who support us. So we delve into these different topics and we listen and we hear different and we get perspectives that we probably normally wouldn't have got if we weren't doing this show. So this, this show has definitely been a blessing for me. I'm
looking forward to where it can go. I know, we have big ideas that we want to do moving forward, a lot of you know, rearranging and adding and just building it up because we understand how important it is, you know, like especially in these times that we all we understand how important media media is.
You know, we've watched people control media.
Us being you know, doing this work, being in the civil rights space and being in the social justice space. We understand how media works. And we've been victims of media. We watched people paint pictures of us that you had me looking at the media has had me looking at the screen like, who are they talking about?
That? Ain't Patrician Sunny talking about? You know what?
I'm saying, so we understand that we want to we want to bring some level of integrity, especially for our audience and people in our communities who normally wouldn't go to CNN or or all all of these spaces, and they don't and they don't care too much about the people on the blog site. So we want to be the condom between all those things. We want to take
information from, you know, to the mainstream news. We want to take information from the blog sites that we know is pertinent that our people need to know and be able to convey messages and give them information that is needed to them. So, you know, I look forward to this journey. I appreciate you listening to me because I had to invite you to do this podcast, but you know, you came along, and here we.
Are that I did.
I came along, and I'm glad you said blog sites because we definitely need to make a distinction in what is media.
Right.
So maybe some you can call some stuff news, you could call some things, you know, information, but media is very different from blog sites and we just need to also just people need to remember that and sometimes you could get the real story from the blog site versus going to the news. Sometimes it's vice versa, but it's always better to check the resources of people who are actually engaged in a situation.
So same thing with Jada Pinkett. You know, you look.
At both the news and the blog sites and all the things that they were saying, and then I started to get into the book and really listen to interviews and I'm like, wow, they're like, none of what is being said here in terms of this negative pr that was surrounding her, which we've talked about a million times,
was accurate. And now I'm starting to see that. And this is why I love Jada so much, because I was speaking to her frequently leading up to the event that she came to that we produced in Atlanta, and you know, she was not even talking about She was like focused on her tour, focused on getting the things that she needs to do, and of course.
Taking care of her family.
She's always dealing with the kids, dealing with something that's going on, and doing her business. And she was not like, oh my god, what they say and what do you think and blah blah blah. It was me more than anything online fighting people posting stuff, because that's what you need your friends to do to show up for you so you can stay focused on what you have going on. But now that the tour is happening, more and more people are starting I'm seeing it posted in her stories,
I'm seeing other people writing it. I'm seeing people in my comments being like, yo, I've read the book, or I'm into you know, I went to an event, i heard her speak firsthand, or I read the book and what folks is talking about it's just not what it is.
It's just not there. And so I realized, you.
Know, and I think that was her position, is that they've been through so many rounds of this where either being misunderstood, just being a black woman in general, being a black family, being a family that has been sort of open in terms of, you know, information that they give out to the world. They know that it's going to be attacked, people are going to say things. You gotta stay focused. And that's the thing is staying focused despite all the noise that's going on around us.
And that's not.
Really easy, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not really easy. Sometimes it's not really easy. I'm not gonna lie, like sometimes it's hard for me to be like stay focused. But anyway, speaking us staying focused, the attack on Gaza and the attack on the Palestinian people is still happening.
You know, I was thinking, as I was working on what we would talk about today, I was thinking that some of my Jewish brothers and sisters, especially the ones that are not actively engaged in the social justice movement, right because not all of anybody. It's not all black people, not all Jewish people, not all white people, not all brown people.
Some people it's just your friend because you just met them in passing on the road.
You know, you met them at an event, you may have met them, and you know I'm not I am not only in movement spaces.
There's other things I do.
I meet people from the strip club to the freaking corporate offices, right, so you can meet all different types of people. And I've also met some Jewish people who I consider to be friends that are not in the movement every day marching, protesting or whatever.
They still they do fundamentally.
Believe in the values, because otherwise we wouldn't be friends at all. But in this last few weeks they certainly have been very very conflicted and angry and frustrated and concerned and all the things which they should be after an attack happened on their people, and so they have every right to feel that way. And I have sent condolences,
had conversations. I've had some tough conversations, and I can feel where some people, while they don't want to see other people die either, they do feel a strong sense
of a need for retribution. And I think that's like normal, right, Like it's normal that if you're in a family and one of your kids is killed, you might not want to see another child killed, but there is something inside of you that kind of says, if something happens to either the killer or their friend or family member or something, there's something deep inside of you that has a sense of an urge for retribution.
You have to silence that. Like it's where your morality speaks up.
It's where because I'm not going to sit here and say although I did go to court for the men who killed my son's father, you know, against them and wanted to see them held accountable, and over time I stopped investing myself and that we used to write letters
to try to make sure they didn't get out. You know, my son was doing that when he was young, but then I was no longer invested in that the more that I've engaged in this work, because I understand the circumstances of everything at play are larger than a prison cell or a prison building can contain, hold.
And or heal. It can't.
It's just it's so much bigger than that, you know, And so I had to let go of it. But there is a sense inside of me that went in that courtroom and also had conversations with other family members on the street, where it feels like retribution is necessary. Both then your humanity and your morality and all of that kicks in. And when it kicks in, you have to say to yourself a few questions, I think, and you know, of course you can say how you feel.
I think. First question is how do we get here?
You have to ask that, like you got to start with, was my child if we talked about just Ray Ray and them in our community, We're not talking about Palestine for now or Israel. We're talking about just us. If my child is out terrorizing communities doing wrong, or my brother, my sister whomever, terrorizing people selling drugs or scamming, robbing, killing, shooting, doing whatever to traumatize communities and other people.
That's the foundation of how we got here. Now, I could go.
Through, well, his father's dead, or his aunt did this, or he was molested.
Or I could go through or you know, we was put whatever.
All those things true, But I still need to go at least to a foundational point and figure out what about my child has been a part of the center of this issue. Foundational, Right, that's the first question.
I think.
The next question we have to ask is who is the leader that is now dealing with the retribution?
Right?
Is the retribution being left to individuals who truly have the best concern for me, for my family or the or the accountability. Who's accountability being left in the hands of That's the question who. That's a good question to make. Who's accountability being left in the handser? Is it the person?
Is it a person who cares about both? Is it a person who is fair and going to be equitable and how they choose to deal with it, or is it a person that could care less about my child or the other child, or the other family or the other side or you know, however, we want to set it up.
Right, So you got to ask that.
And then the third thing is what is a reasonable response, And of course an addendum to that is when is enough enough?
I think those are fair things?
What you think I think? I think they're all f and things. You know what I want.
What I want to say for me, right is when we look at when we look at this situation in totality. You know, you made a speech, right, and you said something and it resonates right now and when you said, we learn violence from you, right, And if you want us to do better, then you got to do better. And the work that I do with boycott black murder and raising kings and stopping violence and violence interrupted in these communities is what we tell these kids that retribution is not the answer.
Right.
We tell these kids that we're gonna get We're gonna get Ray Ray and Jojo one hundred years. If he shoot the boy who shot his brother, right, he gonna get a hundred years. They gonna call him a thug,
They ca him the worst person in the world. So for you to expect me to do this work as a man and go into these communities and talk to these kids and stop them from shooting up and retaliating against people that shot them, and people who've done that, and then America is saying that, you know what, We're going to fund someone to not only just shoot the people who shot them, but shoot anybody around them. But this kids, grandmother's dogs or anything. It's not it's not realistic,
it's not balance. It doesn't even make sense.
You.
I can't even have that conversation if I don't tell you that you are wrong, right, if we're not calling out our own government that tells us that you know that violence in the communities is wrong. And they talk about how all of the ship that's going on, They point to Chicago and said, it's a big problem, but we're willing to give billions and millions of dollars to other countries to fund their violence, right, not not even the fund.
Because they say that you have a you have the right to defend yourself, right defense? What is what do they call defense? Right? What do we call the defense? If we call the defense that.
If you shoot me and I get away, I have the right to go and shoot and kill your whole family and the family of the family and the people that live next door, right.
It's what are we actually saying? You know?
So, I think for me it's it's it's a morality thing. It's an understanding. Even if even if we're not even talking about the whole the whole conflict and where it started and where even if we if we just ignore those things, if we're not if we just we just novice to this situation. We come seeing dead babies every day, right, seeing school's bombs, seeing hospitals bombs. My morality kicks in, right, My morality kicks in and says to me that it's
just not right. And I wouldn't want that even if if somebody, if I, if my one of my brothers died, I will not want to see the family and the whole family of the person who killed my brother die. I wouldn't want to see the kids babies die because I don't hold I do not hold those kids responsible for that right. So we have to we have to
speak realistically. We got to have real conversations. You know, and and and I don't understand how like I understand how you know, I understand the retribution, understand and and even I understand that understand the human nature of retribution. I understand the human nature of self defense. And under the eye for an eye two for too, for understanding. But you can't have an eye for two bodies, right, You can't have an eye for a whole family, right,
because it's supposed to be an eye for us. So when we when we, when we really sitting down, the morality of any person of h with humanitarian causes and understanding should look and say, serve shit just ain't okay, you know, And me, my my morality just won't. It just won't allow me to do that. It wonn't allow me to do it for my own you know. So I so I have to I have to tell people you have to look deep. You gotta look deep into yourself.
If you look at the situation that as what's going on in Gaza, and you and you find that the thousands of babies that are dying and justifying, right, that you find that blowing up schools and blowing up.
Hospitals and and and pretty much.
And refugee camps, if you think that it is justified because of what happened on October seventh, which was a horrible situation and right, and there should be people held accountable for that. But you if you think a whole race and a whole nation and people should be held accountable and wiped out for that situation. Then that's something
that you have to deal with personally. And I think the world is speaking of I think when you have three hundred thousand people go to Washington, DC of all nationalities, Jewish, Black, White, Asian,
every nationality. I watched the old lady on the internet yesterday who said that she was she had a sign and she said, I'm a Jewish woman, and in fact, she said, anti anti Semitic to me is the fact that you would believe that all Jewish people, or even most Jewish people support killing innocent Palestinian babies.
That's anti semitic to her.
She said, I will not stop, I will not take my sign off, I will not support Israel. I will not allow you to do this in the name of us. So I think it's more it's a morality thing. It's not because when we when we look at Black Lives Matter, and we looked at George Floyd, the street there was you you probably would find one person that was black.
They're probably like, you know, they shouldn't be out there doing that.
And there might have been Kandace Ois Candice Owis and Kanye might have been the only people that said some dumb shit, but for the most part.
The rest of the world was like, Nah, that shit ain't okay.
That's that's that's against us, that's and and so what I'm trying to say is we we understand the morality is something that when we look at it, the totality and totality, it's a moral issue. And even though it might have been a black person that died, but the whole world looked at said no, this shit is not okay, and it was in most black people. Ninety nine percent of Black people said it wasn't okay. So when you look and see that even the Jewish people, and I think more more.
They're probably a more.
I can't actually say, but I think there are more Jewish people that say, nah, we understand. We definitely want harmoster, you know, to be calleded and deal with the consequences of what they did, but we're not okay to watch you innocent babies.
Well, when you say more, what we would say is more than before. Like maybe not in terms of the full community. We can't determine the numbers of whether it's more Jewish people, but we know it's more people in the street today that are Jewish who are standing up for Palestinian rights and just for peace and to stop the attack. There are more people than it has been in the past, and so certainly absolutely, hands down, unequivocally, we you know, we know there must be a ceasefire.
That's a basic ceasefire is the basic thing that this administration could call for at this time. America is completely out of his mind to to stand by. And I never thought about what you said that we live in a country that if a police officer wrongfully and everybody knows it kills an innocent person, that this country tells us the answer.
Is go to core, go through a process.
Even none eleven while they and they have admitted none eleven because of the you know, the the response to none eleven, America has admitted that they made mistakes, They went too far in some places, they did things that were not We're not right from a humanitarian perspective.
Right.
They admitted that because it's been on the news, they've been talking about it. But nonetheless they will tell us when we are killed and innocent people die, and people see a George Floyd or all of that which is traumatizing, they say there's a process, there has to be accountability, there's all this and that, and a lot of times
that most times that process doesn't work for us. They never say that black people have the right to defend itself for ourselves or they never say that, never say that. But yet we are funding another country, another nation or whatever they're called, and another because another state, another state. There you go, another state murdering people in the name of it having the right to defend itself, when America has never held Israel accountable for the atrocities that happened
before October seventh. So it's hypocritical.
So that's why I say to my.
Jewish brothers and sisters, because they write me, some of them come into my comments, my dms, and they say, why aren't people saying enough or standing up for us as well? And I feel like the way that if I and I said this to one of my sisters who I love dearly deally, she's a friend, a sister to me, and I said to her, this is something that you have to turn around and go back to looking at this government that is governing Israel because they
are not helping your cause. They are not helping your cause in fact, what they are doing is hardening people. And President Obama talked about that in the letter that he wrote that people globally will be hardened against Israel for the actions that they are taking if it is not managed properly, because that is.
What you see.
You see people who are saying, hold up. I know October seventh was horrific. I know October seventh was terrible and it shouldn't have happened. I know that, But I need to go to October first of two thousand and ten and twenty and eleven, and to let's go to the.
October seventh of the past. Where was America.
At the table holding Israel accountable for its atrocities against the Palestinian people. And when you don't have that, when you don't have a balance of that. And my friend, the same woman I'm talking about, she said to me, but I was out there. I've stood against you know, Israel for the occupation in Palestine and all that I've stood against that. You are one person, and it is
great that you've done that. You are seen as an ally, I'm sure to the Palistinian community, even to us as black people, because this is a woman who's in both in all the spaces. But the problem is that there is not enough of the uprising of the people, an uprising of the people. In fact, even people who are in the streets today have decided that.
They are willing to go walls to the walls.
And I don't know if I'm supposed to say that, but on here, but they're willing to go hard lose their jobs. People are losing ACLU. The ACLU currently has a legal strategy strategy to address people who are losing their jobs and people who are you know, being or what's the word when you are being reprimanded at schools and in other spaces because they choose to stand for Palestine.
So what has happened in the past is that the world should have stood up when the people of Israel voted against net and Yahoo and he still somehow found himself back in a position of power. The people should have rolls up in the same numbers that we are seeing around the world today, and the people, the members of the Jewish community should have led that fight to remove him from office if it had, even if it
had to be force free. And the reason, but the reason why people didn't do it is because to criticize the state of Israel means that you will be labeled anti Semitic, and being labeled anti Semitic is not something that most people are willing to do. They are not willing to allow themselves to be labeled in that way because they see what that means for you economically, They see what it means for you educationally, for your family.
People can't get insurance for their households, people can't go and speak in schools and whatever else just because they have been labeled. And if you're talking about the state of Israel, they are being labeled that wrongfully. And so therefore there wasn't enough movement to address net in Yahoo and to get that administration out of power, and as a result of that you have something like October seventh happened, and maybe other incidents.
That doesn't mean it's justifiable. It means that there is a reason why this is happening. And what we need to do is the same way people are standing up for Palestine.
Everybody, including the freaking federal government of the United States of America, needs to be saying that in Yahoo and his regime, they gotta go, they have to go, and we need somebody in position there in Israel who sees the Palestinian people and understands that they have a right to thrive, they have a right to fair freedom, they have a right to take their proper position in their communities. I mean, this is so this is not a complex conversation.
I'm with Chinnaie see Coats town He see Coats said, I went there thinking it was going to be complicated, and when I I and it wasn't complicated at all. So that's what I have to say on that. And since we're talking about what the United States government should do, we should go on to our next topic, which is David Acero. Now, by the way, I some issues with David assad especially during the BLM protests of twenty twenty, Asad said some really really not so cool, dangerous and
disrespectful things about the protests, about the protesters. He's never given me the impression that he cares even the least bit about what is happening with people.
Who are abused and with people who.
Are brutalized by the state of America, the United States of America. Right, He's never given me that impression. But he's in the game of politics. So this is not even about whether or not he cares about our issues. This is our global position and of course as a as a nation. And he said that Joe Biden needs to find somebody else to run. Let somebody else run for president, and he should step aside. And so the reason why Axlrod is important is because he has been
seen as a king maker. Now it's important to note though that I've read several times that he didn't think Obama should run either, so you know, there's that, but nonetheless, so that doesn't mean he's always right, but nonetheless he is a kingmaker. I think that Axl Rod, he's not all I don't. I mean, I'm sure he's a consultant and he's doing a lot of things, but I don't see him actively at the forefront of the you know, political dynamics in America's not And I'm sure he's in
the background. I'm just saying I don't see him all the time, but I'm sure from the background he's reading the tea leaves, right, He's reading the room, and.
He sees what's happening.
And I don't think that this all started, my son, with this attack against the Palestinian people or the attack against the Jewish people. I don't think that's where this started. I think people were reading this prior to October twenty twenty three, and they already knew there was a problem.
And now this attack and what we're seeing and the lack of a call for a ceasefire has just exacerbated what we already knew, which was that Joe Biden was already on thin ice and now he's on I don't even know the ice is like almost melted.
Yeah, he's riding on water at this point.
And I think for me, you know, it's important to note, just for me, you know, when the election came for Joe Biden, I was never a Joe Biden fan, right, I just I just didn't believe that Trump had any presidential bowned in his body. I thought the way that he was running the White House was like a mobster. And I said to myself, this shit is like, this
is crazy, you know. And I said to myself, even though I'm not a Joe Biden fan, I believe there are enough people in his cabinet and surrounding him and he has influenced Like sometimes when you're not that good as something and you hire good people, and I felt that Joe Biden had hired people who were way smarter than that I knew personally, that were way smarter him, that were in positions that were going to do things for you know, our communities and for this country that
was beneficial and and and and to this point, I actually I would believe that that has happened in some in something. But there are a lot of different places within his government that he has situation.
Judges, judges, the judges one big.
It's very it's a very big situation.
And that's why we're able to get some level of justice for Breonna Taylor at this point as we you know, headed out to this trial in a minute.
But so there are things they've done and I.
Don't actually know because she the judge in this case, is a Trump appoint.
Judge.
The judge in this okay, But I'm talking about in the District Department of Justice.
That's true. That's true.
They're not judges. I'm just trying to make sure they're not judges. But it is true that the appointment of the Civil Rights Division Assistant Attorney General being Kristen Clark, is exactly why many of the cases and other things that we see happening are happening in the federal government exactly.
So, and when we look at those situations, they're very they are very important to what we're doing. And we look into certain things in the communities. You know, I've seen how this administration has embraced you know, violence, interruptors and trying to fund, you know, the work in our
communities to stop that from happening. So there are a lot of things that I've seen that are positive, you know, But I once again, you know, when you look at Joe Biden's age, you look at you look at his history that a lot of people will never overlook, you know, They'll never look past the crime bill, They'll never look past the fact that he's up in age, and it's just certain things that that plague him.
Right.
So I never was really a big Joe Biden fan,
but I understood we had to do. But I always knew that even when we got Joe Biden in office, that the day after he got in office, we as a people, as a collective, were supposed to be building up and building up the next candidate and building up the qualifications and the things we needed that we wanted to see from the government in totalent, because I never felt that either one of these administrations were even possible, you know, even though like once again, I will say
that Joe Biden has done a lot, and the people don't want to give him credit for it. But I knew that it was gonna be hard for him to win again. But I will say when this situation happened, and the way that he's he's pretty much cale tell and I would say Colward, you know, then Yahoo then in Yahoo is pretty much punking Joe Biden. You know, he's taking his money and tell him you shut up. I'm gonna do what I want to do, and y'all mind your business. I'm just give me the money and
get out the way. And it doesn't show leadership. It doesn't show strength when your whole country is saying it there against something and you still doing it, and you and not only you doing it and agree you you even saying well, maybe you're right, and the person is telling you fuck you. That's not presidential to me, fat that's not and I would and I'm not even gonna say that, but but I would say something else.
But anyway, it's not presidential to me.
And I think that when people look and see leadership is not actually leading, they don't have any level of power, they don't have a backbone. Then you know, it's hard for people to vote for that. And I know, and I've been very vocal and saying that there's a there's a snowballs chance in hell of me per se voting for Joe Biden.
Snowbomb.
This is not gonna just not gonna happen because you don't represent you don't represent the moral five of what it is that I represent as a man, you know, and and and and and and less something to changes drastically over the next year.
It's just not gonna happen for me.
And I think there's a lot of people who made that decision, you know, And like you said, unless something happens, we have we still have a year to go. But it happens this right here, watching babies done, and watching you funded watching you constantly stand down on it and just double down on the fact that we support them and they have the right to defensee of it.
We staying with this.
We'll continue and we won't say what they can do, and we're not gonna tell them what to do, and then you try to ask them to do something, they telling you, shut the fuck up.
I'm gonna do what I want to do. That's not presidential for me. I can't.
I can't of sound mind, in a good more compass be able to say that I support.
Somebody like that.
Absolutely.
I agree with you one thousand percent that there's gonna be a lot of people who feel that way. Me personally, I haven't made a determination or decision on what I will do yet. I know that I'm not mad at one person who says that they will not vote for Joe Biden.
I see people writing no cease fire, no vote.
I can tell you that emotionally, that definitely restates for how I feel to hear the President saying that you know to.
See that they are trying.
To get one hundred plus billion dollars to Israel and Ukraine, and then have said, which is the most hipocritalshit hip a critical shit ever, because you're getting a billion dollars to Israel and Ukraine for opposite reasons. Ukraine, they claim they supporting them because Russia is trying to take their land, but then they're going to support Israel and taking the Palestinian Land.
It just doesn't make sense. It's like y'all think we stupid.
Like we can't read and pay attention and understand history and facts.
But whatever.
Cool.
Ultimately, just say it's our it's the American interest. You're doing whatever interests you, but not what is actually morally correct. So put that to the side. And so I feel it.
I feel it, But I'm also much my understanding of what will happen to black people under a Trump presidency and looking at the candidates that they have lined up on the Republican side, and knowing the type of work that I would have to do, the type of work that we all, not just you and me, but we will have to do, the fights that we will be
up against when Trump becomes president. Oh yeah, you will be working when Trump becomes president and they decide to lock up more young black men when they decide that they are going to arrest protesters and organize this because if you remember, it was under William Barr.
Who was the Attorney general, he was Trump's attorney.
General that named many of us black identity extremist, which meant that he put us in a terrorist category for the fact that we would dare to protest against police brutality. It was under the Trump presidency that they undid all of the consent decrees that the Obama administration put forward to try to work on police issues in different cities
around the country. It was under the Trump presidency that the Supreme Court became a conservative court that has now been doing things like taking women's rights away, the rights to choose in terms of abortion. Looking at what we found out, which we didn't even know was there until we started to do more research, that they won't.
They don't.
They're making it harder for somebody to even say that their lawyer was ineffective counsel on their cases. They don't even want to share those type of cases.
So, if we go.
Down the list of the things that happened under the Trump presidency, and by the way, attacks by white supremacists became more acceptable and actually praised because the presidents stood before the nation, Donald Trump and said, you know, rough them up to the police. He said, he talked about a Kaepernick and like Kaepernick was a dog. He talked about other black athletes who dared to stand up to this government and said things that were that's unthinkable about them.
Right.
He put basically our lives in danger. And so we know what the Trump presidency look like. And if he is to become president again, they are going to go from the window to the wall. They're going to be worse than they were before, because now one it would be it basically would be a time when he's gotten even hard, even more hard, And if he wins, it will be after he has been through so much with the courts and everything, with them trying to hold him accountable.
He his the war and the raft of how he will.
Enter his presidency is something that we probably have not seen maybe ever, but certainly not since the time when we were actually enslaved. And so I understand that, and I'm not gonna sit here no matter what, no matter and I and trust me, I'm angry. I'm frustrated. I'm disgusted. The idea that I would ever have to go and vote for Joe Biden again makes you want to throw up. And by the way, I felt that way before he
became president. So that's that's that. But if I feel even worse, But I'm very clear that we don't necessarily know what it is that we're asking for. I know that I didn't go to campaign for and to get Biden elected just because you know, by the way, all of that bullshit, oh you work for the Democrats. Democrats
don't give me shit. They never had if you and by the way, our records people is open to the public, right, so if Democrats were somehow paying me or people, and not to mention most of the people that I work closely with that have actual money that they are invested in me in that type of way, most of them
have more conservative views than you think. Many of them I've never really asked, but if I started asking, they might have actually voted for Trump, to be clear, but we don't talk about it because they also support the fact that black people should not be killed and indiscriminately treated in this nation. So that's kind of where our threshold ends because you don't want to get too far
into the politics. I used to live in the house with a man who said to me many times, I want to see prisons look like shit holes, where it's disgusting, where it's rats in the bed, it's everything terrible. So people don't want to go there, right, And I had to fight and argue with him many times about people who are wrongfully convicted, and you know, have those conversations, and in many ways I was able to move him on some of those issues.
But I'm just saying that a lot of people who have.
A lot of resources and money, they're not always so liberal in their ideas. So let's just be clear. But the dem Party does not give me shit. In fact, most times I'm not invited. They don't really like me. I'm too radical. I've been on Palestine. We you and I have been on Palestine before Donald Trump, I mean,
excuse me, before Joe Biden even became president. And not only that, the fact that I was unwilling to denounce Minister Farakahn and it even used any type of language that was forced upon me or what they were trying to force upon me to speak about him. That in and of itself created a label for me and put me in jeopardy and took away my resources and ruined relationships.
That I had.
So I've never been a darling of the Democratic Party. Maybe I kind of was back when Obama was president because we had a really good relationship with the administration, but that has not been the case for many years. In fact, many of them, including Valerie Jarrett, spoke out against me from national platforms because of what was happening with us and the women March and all the dynamics there. So with that being said, I I'm not standing in
this position because I win or gain anything. I'm standing in this position because I understand what it looks like for my son and my granddaughter if we are in a situation where Donald Trump becomes president. And that's so I don't know yet.
I don't know.
I do think though I'm with Axlad, somebody who I don't agree with on issues of our lives, but I'm with Acerod that they need a different candidate to run for president.
I don't know if that's realistic, but I believe that.
I just I just I need everything you're saying. I just I think for me, you know, I've been I've survived so many different presidents and the ship never really changed for me. When even when I don't care what's going on, when I really start thinking about it, the conditions of our communities don't really change.
They haven't really changed much.
If I go to Pooky right now and say Joe Biden's been in the off and they look at me and be like I don't know what the fuck joke about. They actually think it's been better when Trump was there, So when we having real conversations. For me at this point,
it's a moral thing for me. It's a moral issue for me if I can't look at you as a man, if I don't believe that you even represent the country as a man, that I would as a man even even you don't even have the backbone to say some shit is wrong as a man, and you let another person run his country the way he wants to ten toes down and say fuck what you think. I'm my people and meet us over here is doing this and we don't give a fuck what you to do. Just give us your money. I can't see I can't see
me ever voting for that. I just can't see me ever making a decision again to saying, you know what, it is a less than to you know, this shit is just all fucked up. And until I start seeing candidates that that I can put my because you know, I went through I went through a bunch of shit with telling people not to vote for Trump, and I don't really give a fuck and I went through it. But when when shit like this morally comes down, and I got to look at my kids.
And see, damn kids are dying.
And the man to sit there and perpetuate and continue to support that and stand up every day and say he's gonna stand next to that.
It's like, Nah, that shit ain't for me. So we all, we all have our own battles.
We all have our own you know, our own lines that we draw in the sand.
And what we all stand for is different. And you know, I don't.
I just don't see where at this point, you know where me and a Joe Biden administration have an understanding because I understand that if you can be pushed to do this right, what we do it and what we're doing as a country at this point right is when you have all of the country say, yo, this ship is a humanitarian crisis, this ship is against humanitarian this is these are these are war crimes, and the whole world is saying that, and you standing with one person
that I know that I know is an evil individual. The man is evil like everything about him. You stand next to that. I know that the world is looking at us. I know that the world I know that we might be the next target. I know that people look at leadership being when you have a leadership understanding what leadership is from whatever left wood is, you understand that once people start start diminishing your leadership and they don't see you strong, and they get rid of you, right,
And that's what we've dominated as Americans. We have dominated this world and countries have feared us for so long. But when you start seeing leak we leadership, and you start and you start seeing other countries in line and they're like them first of all the leadership, but now these people are not even morally sound. And then you start hearing the country inside say that they're not even with you. Then the foundation of what it is that
we're supposed to represent is gone. So if we put that type of individual back into office, the fuck World War three, and we're gonna be the main target, right because every no other nation is with us.
That's the problem.
Is we we with the nigga who was the worst person in the world, and every other nation of good moral stands that are saying we can't stand by that. And sometimes when you get so closed in something that you don't see from outside. But I understand, like they said before, the battle work the same way that those people countries and they battle feels.
Look, that's how America's gonna look it.
Ain't They not going to no motherfucking desert land and shooting. No, they bombing the main towns. Our kids are gonna be dying the same way other people kids die. It's no longer that shit we talking about. So for me, it's way bigger than a couple of laws that somebody might
make that we gotta pay a couple dollars. No, it's understanding that America is being looked at as tyrants, and we got a president is standing next to somebody that is doing that's not doing God's work at all, that is completely complicit in doing evil.
And I don't want to be I don't want to be a part of that.
What I have said to a number of my friends who have contacted me, I said it on Roland Martin showed the other day. It's not me or those of us who are angry, right, and those of us who are frustrated, and those of us who are in many ways saying I cannot. I will not support this president and vice president as they stand by and support a atrocity and a human rights violation and war crimes. Don't talk to us, Talk to them. Go talk to President
Biden and Vice President Kamala Harrison. Let them know that you are losing people that you need and organize this, because one thing I will tell you is that average just not average. They're not average, they're much above average. Everyday citizens, everyday people who got fifty million things going on in their life. Less of them are engaged to the point where in a year they're still going to be remind of this and make a decision based upon it.
If we have to vote, if this election day, that is tomorrow, November seventh, that we're sitting in front of here in Kentucky, if it was if tomorrow you were voting for the president of the United States, I don't think Joe Biden will win because many people are paying attention. But one year away, the everyday citizen, especially after they've heard Trump speak, or whomever becomes the Republican candidate, especially after in churches and others, are saying, hey, we gotta
go with the Democrat and all of that. I don't know that they will vote against Joe Biden, or that they will and many of them may stay home. But I don't know that they'll vote against Joe Biden. The group of us who are righteously indignant, those who are angry, those who are frustrated. That pool is much smaller than we think, much smaller, right, even though it's millions, but it's still not everybody, right, And the organizers within that group who actually get out the vote is smaller.
But that's their problem. Their problem is that there.
Are a number of people who organize the vote with or without the support of the Democratic Party. They don't have to be aligned in any way, but they do it because of the interests of their community. And those are the people who are very aware and who are very angry, and who are very much saying I refuse to vote for Joe Biden, and I also will not go out and campaign for the Democratic ticket at the top.
But there are of course a bunch of elections statewide elections that will also be on the ballot in twenty twenty four that we will have to focus on. So with that being said, you know, I think that you know, in a place like Kentucky or not so much in a place like Kentucky, just in general overall, you will have some issues. But I'm not sure that it will be to the degree that he won't win. I don't know, I do not know. I know you cannot win Detroit
or Michigan. Excuse me, you cannot win Michigan. And I believe Minnesota is similar without the Muslim vote. And one thing about it is they're not going to forget. They are not They're not like black people. They are not going to forget at all about what happened here.
So what the problem the problem is with you not what you're not understanding, is this the Muslim voat is just not a Rabs, right. Muslim has a big population. Like if you look at Philadelphia, most of the black people in Philadelphia, it's Muslim. So that's what I need you to understand. So when you say the Muslim vote, they are there are certain state state within the United States, and it's not just Averab Muslim. They have big Muslim populations.
Like a lot of my Muslim, my black Muslim friends are hitting me every day, like they hit me every day and they so against this this administration that it's a lot right.
Let me just say. Let me just say, because we need to be very clear.
So when we're educating our audience, we all learn at the same time. Number One, there's only a few battleground states. In New Jersey and New York ain't two of them. So it really doesn't matter who we vote for because our vote doesn't one hundred percent count towards the who
wins the presidency. It might be the popular vote, but the battleground states are certain places like again Michigan, which you have to be able to win, and the majority of the Muslim population are our in those particular places. Right when you start talking about black people who are Muslims, some of them don't vote at all anyway, right, especially in the Nation of Islam and other places like that.
Voting for presidents and all of that is something that not to say they're against it, because many of them do, but there are many who don't. They have stayed and they deal with local elections and local politics in their community. So we already that is already sort of accounted for. But specifically in Michigan, a place like Michigan, the Arab Muslim community is necessary in order to move the vote
in those places. If you think about somewhere like Georgia where Stacy Abrams lost, when you look at the numbers the Arab Muslim community was low on the list, and they were also low on the campaign's priority, and so it would show you where if they would have picked up a bit in that community, they would have been able to possibly win the election. So I'm saying that
certain places that community cannot be discounted. And then in other battleground states like South Carolina, you're going to have a lot of black people who are.
Not Muslim whatever whatever.
They just Christian black folks or unidentified religiously black folks who go to venues and deal with spaces where they will be listening to or learning more about the Republican parties policies, and they're not going to want a Donald Trump presidency. That is not a thing that is gonna change. A lot of those people are not going to want a Donald Trump presidency. So with that being said, it remains to be seen. I'm not arguing because I understand
exactly where you are. I saw what Philip agnew Row, I see Tiffany Lofton, I see Sean King, and I respect one hundred percent that sentiment that is out there. I respect it all. I'm suggesting, though, I'm just suggesting that it's gonna be much more than just some people are upset about this thing, and it's going to be a whole picture, and there are gonna be people who look at police brutality and say we ain't really move the damn bit at all, and then those people will
fall off, probably right. But when you have a Donald Trump saying the police are doing a great job, and he's like Daniel Cameron saying I'm gonna give them more power, more money, more whatever, then you got some people saying, well, I don't know, so we'll see how it all works out in the end.
But I had not me.
I'm just saying I reserve the right to make my decision, but I also am going to I'm very invested, and I hate people saying it's no way that there could be another candidate.
I don't know about that.
And I wanted the smart people who are smarter than me and who are more politically engaged and more politically astute to help us figure out is it possible to get somebody else to run? Because I'm sick and tired of this administration, completely sick of it.
Throw it away.
I don't want it. But I also haven't made a final decision about where I stand. Now, let me just go to my thought of the day real quick, because we got to hurry up and get to court. You know, the FBI calls me again yesterday, more death threats, especially with this trial going on and then the election happening, so there's so much going on, and of course they're targeting a black woman, which is me, and they want me to because I have the audacity to stand up on my two feet, straight my back.
And keep on showing up in Kentucky.
And I was just thinking to myself, you know, even with all of that, the negative attention that comes our way from people who we work with that don't like us, to people we don't like this who don't work with that don't like us too, to mek us to this a megas, to that Mega looks like this, Mega looks like this. Mek ain't this Mega's not smart enough, She's not that. She ain't got that Da da da da why she got this?
Blah blah blah.
Then all the way to the fact that people actually threaten my life on a regular basis. With these things, still I rise and I'm just trying to figure out for other people that don't have to go through hardly any of that. You're not in the public eye. You you know you don't. You don't have depth threats coming
at you. You're not facing any particular scrutiny. Maybe it's that you just don't want it, like you don't want to put yourself in that position, like what makes us what makes people so at verse to actually taking a stamp? But I'm not even talking about Israel powerside. That's too high of.
A of a of a of.
You gotta go too high to deal with that because you can really get yourself in.
The crossfire with that.
But I'm saying in your local community, I'm just talking about on your block being like, you know what, these kids is out here killing each other, or we don't have a good grocery store that will feed these people fresh produce and whatnot.
I lived here. I'm gonna do something.
I'm gonna show up at a community meeting, or I'm gonna go to a precinct council meeting, or I'm gonna maybe run for office. So I'm going to do a food pantry. What the hell? Like, you don't even have the level of scrutiny that I deal with every day and yet you want to do nothing. But then but you will sit around on internet and on the internet and critique what somebody else is doing. I just find that to be so cowardly, you know, I just I do.
And I know people will say, well, everybody's not like you, and that's fine. I'm not asking to be like me. But what is like you? That's a question is what is like you? Forget about being like me?
What is like you?
If you don't see the need to say something in your own community about issues that impact you, But you got the nerve to come to my page or to tell me somewhere that I really don't like the way you move, well you move.
It's very it's very crazy. And you know it's crazy because that kind of goes into what my I don't get it was, and it's pretty much we pretty much acted the.
Same shit and saying the same thing back and forth.
Because when we look at so many it's so many issues that go on. I don't get a fucked what I put up. People say, we got bigger fish to fry, it's bigger things to find. You should why black people don't need to be focusing on that Black people don't need to focus on that. Black people need to focus on everything. And I don't understand why people don't realize that.
I don't understand how somebody could look and say, okay, the shit that's going on and god a like this ship is this like we were looking at another These are brown people, these are people that you know, these are oppressed people. Like why I can understand that ship? Like, what's to stop somebody from here?
If we if we just quiet about that, what's to stop from you know?
One day Israel? And who say fuck? You know, we were tired of Joe Biden, were tired of America. We ain't we not allied with them no more.
We're gonna join. We're gonna be allied with somebody else.
And you know what the first people we're gonna go over there to make sure because we know that the black people is gonna we get rid of them. We're gonna get rid of the black people because those the people that we are gonna fight, they've been oppressed. We gotta make sure that they don't do ship right because that those to talk and what's to stop that from happening?
Right?
So I don't understand why people don't see that ship is a real possibility of what's going on.
In here, right scare people.
I'm just it's not about the thing for me is that why do we put passion in our community like it ain't happen. We've been enslaved before, they've done they've oppressed us before, right, so why do you think that it's above happening again. Why you think of other European nations if they decide to do some shit, don't realize that the biggest threat to their regime would be black people. Because we the people that saying you fuck with your white people been doing this shit to us for years
and we ain't gonna stand for it. Why wouldn't you understand that you would neutralize the biggest threat to anything they do that inside this country?
Right now?
They give us a bunch of bullshit. They put all the drugs, the guns and everything in our community to keep us neutralized. They keep us in prison, They make sure that we don't have opportunities all of the shit.
We still impressed.
We living in the fucking damn man open air prison inside the projects because they surround us with fucking nothing but police act all within. They would let us kill each other within the projects and then they send you to jail where they put you in the work. So when we keep saying that that's not our issue and this saying our issue, I don't understand why we don't realize that every fucking issue that's to do anybody that's oppressed,
it's a black person's issue. I don't understand where we get that from the ship that's going on to Sudan, the ship that's going on the Congo. All of that ship is coincide with the ship that's going on Palestine. So we shouldn't say you you, we need to speak about that and not that. No, we need to speak about all. That ship is one because now you got allies, right, you don't you don't. You don't separate your issues that
are the same ship from this. For other people who are dealing with the issues that you're dealing with, you you combine those ship, you bring them ships.
That's one.
You say, Look, we ain't dealing with all of us pressed people will saying fuck that, we ain't with it, and we're not gonna let y'all keep impressing us. Not you want to separate? Now, let them people do that. Joe such and such in a store. You know, he fasted in and I don't like the way he talked to me. So fuck all of them, you know, and this person they store about me. You know, I ain't
fighting for they don't care about us. They again, we we all this just the same way that we experienced racism.
Next, SPI racism that black people, because when we were thrown off of that plane in American Airlines flight, it was a black woman that started that. It was a black woman and her nasty ass attitude that started that situation.
So let's just be.
Clear that I've been in stores and other places where black people don't treat me right. I've been in clubs where black men who are supposed to be doing security are more physical and nasty and threatening towards black women than a lot of environments. So don't tell me that I get it.
I get it.
Other communities absolutely treat Black people like we're at the bottom, right, and they don't have no respect for us. But a lot of that has to do with white supremacy, because what white supremacy teaches is that black is the is the least, and so everybody piles on us, and I know that I agree.
I'm not disagreeing, but I know one.
Thing I don't even I'm I'm like, I'm like the and were closing the show on this, and you can, of course if you have something else to say, Boy, this is it.
I'm like the people that don't see color. Right.
You know how people be like I don't see color, and then we know that that's in and of itself a racist statement when white people say I don't see color, because if you don't see color, then you don't see me. But I bet you see color when you see that white privilege that you get. But nonetheless, I don't see color. I don't see race. Well, guess what. That's how I feel about kids. I don't see color when I see kiddis. If I see kids being blown to bits anywhere in
this world, I don't see color. I see kids. So I don't think it's right if it happens to Jewish kids. I don't think it is right if it happens to black kids, Latino kids. And I don't think it's right when it happens to Palestinian children.
And guess what.
At this point, I feel that five thousand Palestinian children as of the point that we are taking. This podcast is out of touch overboard. It's a war crime. It is wrong. And know we will not just sit by and stay and stay quiet. No, because by the way, five thousand needs to be added to the numbers of the many years, seventy five years that this has been going on where the Palestinian people have not been free
on their own land. And so when you put the and, that's and and I and I'll say and because it is not just happening. It has not just happened to Palestinian children, but there's also the Israeli children or the Jewish children that need to be included in that number. That's why we call them fu a cease fire, because we want every single person, everybody to live.
And with that said, I definitely agree with that. Man.
You know, what I will say is shout out to a lot of people. There are a lot of people who've been standing up.
Man.
Shout out to Maclamore. I've seen him speaking out. You know, there's a lot of artists in John legend, you know if you know names, just saying because it brother a man the selves like, shout out to everybody. You know, Sean King Sean King is who's been steadfast and just giving you the information, and a lot of those a lot of those videos and pictures are brutal, and a lot of people are like, why would you post that?
And I'm like, why wouldn't we Because what happens is you get complicit with not understanding something, and when you don't see certain things and you don't realize the seriousness of what's going on, then you're able to just go back because they say ignorance is bliss and the fact that he does not allow you to be ignorant, right if you follow him, you are going to be aware of exactly what's going on every day in that situation.
And if it doesn't do something to your heart to say, nah, kids are not supposed to be dying like this, you know, then I don't know what to tell you. So I just want to I want to salute everyone because I
know it's it's very hard. You know a lot of people are putting a lot on the line to be able to speak up against, you know, the genocide that's going on inside of Palestine, and a lot of people don't like to hear that word, but to me, that's exactly what it is, and I'm not going to say it isn't because when you when one one group of people is being targeted and taken out in the levels that these people are being taken out of as genocide.
So I admire and I respect everyone you know who's able to speak up in this moment because it's not it is not the status quo to do, you know. So I want to say, I appreciate y'all, man, and we're going to continue to fight man, cease fire, man, free Palestine.
Man.
You know, I say all the time, if they come for them in the day, and they'll come for us at night. So I'm not gonna always be right to mek It D Mallories, I can always be wrong, but we will.
Both always and I mean always, be authentic peace.
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