Mercy with Anthony Hamilton and activist Aaminah Turabi

you know I'm feeling good. Energies on point. I don't know how I find myself in these situations. Energy on point. Because we're out here man, number one, number one show. It's gonna be the number one show. We are we claiming it. We already Street Politics the numbers one one that we have to call the boss man Charlemagne the God and ask number one. Are we number one number and show? Baby? But I know we're not on Woman TV number one, on Women TV too, babys number one.

So this is our show today is about Mercy. Mercy number one, Mercy about to be number one so in the world, Anthony Hamilton's Mercy. I'm really excited about being on Anthony Hamilton's album. You know, there's some people that you like, some people that you love, and some people that you love. If you really just you don't know what we're talking about. Tamika Mallory is featured on Anthony Hamilton's upcoming single Mercies. Yes, and I've been holding this

one for a long time. And let me just go ahead and tell everyone that you did se of the writing line. It wasn't ghosting because ghost writing is supposed to me and you don't tell anybody, and you seem to just be and everybody, So it really wasn't goes at all. It was very very clear. No shout out to you for the way you delivered that, like when you hear how she delivered it. They they're loving it. The people are loving it. So I'm happy about that.

But my thought of the day, because you know, I'll be thinking, because that's what I do. I think all the time. And I heard that um Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, the President and Vice president elect, met with a number of civil rights organizations that I uh love and and and believe in and support they have. They called themselves legacy organizations, and in fact, I worked for

one for fourteen years. They met with the president electing and the vice president and in conversation it's been leaked. Now who leaked it. I don't know quote unquote leaked. It's been leaked. I know the individuals from the civil rights side who were in the meeting, and I know they're not the types of type of individuals to just go out leaking information because they're serious about what they're trying to get done. UM. And they went in and

they talked about police reform and other issues. In fact, I thought that UM, listening to the tape that President Johnson of the inn double a CP, that some of his points were really really strong. But the leaked tapes show or allow us to hear that. Joe Biden kept saying, don't try to go after us and put too much pressure on us around police reform, UM, and even on gun control, we have to be careful. And he gave

some some reasons. I'm not gonna say they're real good reasons, but reasons for why on gun control you can't make certain moves. However, on the issue of police reform, he said, you know, we're being pummeled on the issue of on the title defund police, which you know I think is trash, but you know, we'll we'll go back to that later. And he said, the fight around police reform, it's not a good thing for us to talk about right now. We need to hold on that. We're definitely gonna do

some things. We're not gonna defund anyone. We're just going to um hold people accountable. And he goes into a whole thing, but he continuously says, this is not the time to have a big fight around police reform. Let's hold on that because we need to win the Georgia seats for the Senate seats in the runoff. And he says, and these people are hitting us hard on on defunding, and they they're saying we're the party that wants to defund police. Um. So he wants people to turn down

in essence. So my thought of the day, what I was thinking about is why do people running for office? And in this case, I have to say, the Democrats want us to turn up during election season and then turned down when it comes to actually holding them accountable for the things that we asked for. I just don't understand can because it's clearly simple, right the Republicans have a party with a clear definition of who they are, right,

and the Democratic Party is comprised of everybody else. So what it does is means that you need a little bit of these people, you need a little bit of those people. There's no clear agenda within the Democratic Party. So that's why they don't adhere or focus on one base, even though constantly it seems that the black people are the ones who are bailing them out. But they understand that when they get into office that they have to

appeal to somebody else another. They understand, or they think, or they believe, they believe, But the thing is they have research to actually show this. You know why, because we have taken our eyes off the ball so many times. Right, So what happens is we go to the polls hard, boom bone, we vote you in, and then what happens is they say, you know, if you look at runoff election, they said, the numbers show that mostly white people go to the run off election. So we're completely like, Okay,

we got the president, we did our job. We're going to sleep, we and doing. We got the people we want. We're good. They understand, and when they get into office, what they need to do is appeal to people that are gonna follow all the way through. So what we have to understand is the Democratic Party Northern Republican Party

have our best interests in at hand. So what they're gonna do is try to figure out how to appease you and give you a little bit of So none of That's why I said, I've never voted for an ally. I'm voted for a better opponent. So what he's doing is saying, look, I want to be able to do this, but historically it shows that in order for me able to do anything, I have to appeal to these people. That's why they wanted Joe Biden because he's a moderate liberal.

He's one of those people who can appeal to the conservatives and appeal to the Democratic Party, so to the no to the conservatives and the and the left, the left. So we understand this is what his strategy is. He's clear about his strategy. We were clear when when the Democratic Party got him in. They were clear what it was gonna take for him to be able to do that. But but but see, but that's my problem because then

what they believe the actual research shows something different. Number One, when you think about people like Alexandria Acacia right, and she accassio and she has said it many times. She also believes in and carries the slogan defund police to the chess. Right. She's saying, we unseated people who are moderate Democrats, right or or moderate liberals whatever you know, because Kevin Kelly Loffler says they are what are they radicals? Whatever?

Um you know? And so she she says, we unseated a number of establishment Dems, people who you know, they follow that rule that you were talking about, and we put people who are progressive, super duper progressive in office. Corey Bush is an example of that, someone who won

on the platform of changing police, defunding police. She won her election um with that with using that same rhetoric in tone right, So no, I'm I'm saying, though, the research actually shows that because of the movement that hels the defund police, Uh, slow in right, and forget the damn slogan, because that's the ship that pisces me off. It's not about a slogan, it's about the actual plan. It's a plan. It is a plan. And because of people like you and me who say defunding the police

and mean it. We were the ones that went out and got young voters to go with Joe Biden and others. We didn't do that under our organizational efforts, but when we did our personal work, we went out and we were able to to to move people to vote. First of all, because people were like, and I'm gonna be at my house, okay, But we got them to the polls and in many cases, um, we were able to get people to say, you know what, I'm actually going to go out and vote for Joe Biden because I

think that that's the best choice at this time. We're folks talking about defunding the police. Twenty percent of the electorate in Georgia, of the electorate in Georgia that hel to flip the state from red to blue, were younger people who absolutely support the defunct police movement. So it is a lie. Not it's not even just wrong. You know, you can say something's wrong. Some things are. You know,

it's a mistake, it's a lie say that. The real the truth of the matter is that folk are afraid to go up against the police unions, and many of them do not want to shake up the system. In fact, I have heard that Joe Biden is saying, rather than taking money away from police, he wants to pour more hundreds of millions. I think I heard something like three hundred million dollars into police and talking about training. We

don't need no more damn training. What we need is to be able to model exactly that takes money from one place and and really uh and and and reallocates resources. And so I said a million times, you could call it pen the tail on the donkey. Just do it. That's the bottom line. And you know, I think the reason why it's so difficult is because he doesn't share the same values, and that's why he is a moderate.

I only want to figure out what these titles. I think you're right exactly, and I don't know this because he does not share the same values that we shared. And they know he's right in the middle on the cusp of everything. So he's not gonna be all the way with us, just like he's not all with them. So we got what we got and we're just gonna keep righting. So what are the streets talking about? Are talking about the vaccine? The vaccine that I'm not gonna take.

I've seen on my page while ago um artists that I love, Lupe Fiasco, he wrote and Crazy Together. I said that he's so glad that they approved the fights of vaccine and that you can't even come to his show unless you take the vaccine. M hm, yeah, well I won't be gone. It's not that. And I didn't believe he said it at first, you know, and then I got some wouldn't research and people d M he said it. You know a lot of people have conversations with him and and and this is just you know

what it's like for me. It's like when you start really doing research right on vaccines, you realize that there's a percentage of people who die from vaccines. You know, there's a who have allergic reactions. Their bodies don't agree with it, you know. So my thing is, if the vaccine it's worth worse than the actual sickness, That's what

I'm saying. I'm gonna take my chance for the signess. Well, I'm gonna build up my immune system problem, some seed oils, exercise, you know, I'm gonna do the things necessary to be healthy. Like why is nobody I hear about this vaccine? The vaccine to be here in the world, I have not seen any major platform, any major social media media anything focusing on how do we make ourselves healthy enough to build up our immune systems to make sure that we're

strong enough too. But they definitely don't want you to do that when they're shoving burgers down your throat and all types of bad foods for your body, and kids can't get sleep, and they you know, they promote cereal all day and all of these things that are actually trashed for your body, the stuff I love to eat. So you know, I agree with you the vitamin piece is important, but I also think it's it's it's it's necessary for us to be responsible in the ways in

which we approach these things. Yes, you and me, we probably don't need it, right and okay, so I'm just saying I don't. I don't think we need it. I know that I'm not going to run to take anybody vaccine. I'm not gonna do that. Um. And that's and this is something that my family specifically has been saying even before. So prior to coronavirus or to COVID nineteen, my family was not into taking vaccines and flu shots and all of that. We've never ever done that and we were okay,

we are, we are right. But there are elderly people who are locked in their homes who cannot go outside and taking you know, uh, what do you call it sea moss and all of that stuff. It may or may not be good for them in reaction to their medication and other things. We don't know. But whatine, but well, I think it has a little bit of the disease, right or the virus. I think I don't know all of the things. And we should definitely get somebody to come on and talk to us and help us understand

this vaccine. So a two hour crew, we definitely need to do a show when we break down what's in this vaccine because our people want to know more. A lot of people have questions. Remember the driver the other day said to us, I want to know the ingredients, right, and so I think that's important. But I'm but I'm going back to an important point. There are elderly people. There are people who have pre existing conditions who are

locked in their homes. They can't go out. They're scared to death that if they get sick they can die. We know three hundred thousand people, whether or not they died because it was COVID specifically, I can't say, but the complications and or the incompetence of our health care system killed three hundred thousand people during this at this time period, with where COVID has become a thing, this pandemic is happening. And so what what worries me and I don't know what we do about it, is what

do people who need it? What do they do? You know, because everybody can't take the position. Everybody is not strong and you know, and and pretty healthy and living well and working out and whatnot like you and me and I work out, but you do some people actually need this vaccine. And with all vaccines, with all vaccines, there are a percentage of people who will get sick. That's just the way it is. That's with every single one of them. And there's gonna be some trial and error,

but you got to do something. The country can't just stay as it is now and we can't lose another million people. Well, I just or not that we lost a million. I think if we just I just think if we look at the percentages or people who can die from a vaccine based on the percentage of people who have died from the actual sickness, and we look at it in comparison. I don't think. I don't. I would love to hear those numbers, and we could talk

about it again. On another said, let's focus on those people who are directly impacted, who are most likely you know, but that, but but that's not that's not exactly. And again I want to be careful because I'm not. I don't know for sure, but I don't believe that that's

how vaccines work. Vaccines do not work by giving it to a small group of people in a population, because therefore you can't you have to be able to stop or bring down, reduce the entire populations, give a vaccine to people who are really not at real because it's not about one of us, it's about all of us. It's each one, it's each one protect the other. But anyway, listen, you got it. Whatever, vaccines, whatever, that's just the end of it. Okay, Well listen, our next guest. Next, it's

somebody who we just I'm so excited to have him. Mercy, mercy, mercy, just a little mercy, mercy. We haven't been through so much. Another show. Every day I write down show topics, like does mercy mean women are supposed to shut up and don't say anything. But anyway, so whole another show. We're gonna come back to that. Oh lord, listen before we go to the next segment and have our special guests joint,

we're gonna take a quick break for our sponsors. We have none other than the legendary, the infamous, the iconic. Anthony Hamilton's joining us today, the great Hey, what's up people? How you doing? What's happening? King? How are you doing it? I'm good man, It's good to be on here. What you got so good to have you join the street politicians. You know, this is our new show, our new podcast on the Black Effect Network, which is Charlemagne's new baby.

You know, he came to us and said, I want you all to join my podcast network where we could be blackly black black, black, black and black. We're in anything black and black, Andy black, black, black, Andy black. Definitely, that's how we own it, man, So thank you for joining us. Man, Like you know, we've both been big fans of yours forever. You know, so when Tamika got an opportunity to work with you, and then she reached out for my expertise. You know what I'm saying. You

know what I'm saying. I gotta get my partner. You know, she reached something. You know. She called me like, yo, Anthony Hamilton wants me to get on this song. I need some words, you know. So I'm like, let me just calm down, you know, let me see, let me see what I can put together. Supposed to hold you down. You did because you added the spice. You added only the things that Tamika Mallory can put you know, that energy.

You added just little pieces of things because I wasn't gonna say certain things that you was gonna say from a woman's perspective. But it was magic. Man, when I heard when I first heard the beat and I heard the way you had attacked it, it was like, now this song right here is gonna do something special special.

Thank you. Thank you for you know, allowing her to allow me to be a part of something that's gonna be part of his Thank you for thank you for being a co writer my sid and and and and putting that thing, you know, putting it where it needed to be, and allowing her to to to have whatever it needed to set the song up. Man, it's incredible piece that is about mercy. Tell us about it. Well, mercy is a song um and and it's it's the

voice of a man um. It stands vulnerable and and and in his walk and in in his struggles and not not not weak at all, not a weak man at all, but a man who's who's not afraid to be vulnerable. And Um, I think a lot of times man I looked at as seamen still and that we don't feel anything other than then then that UM preach. You know, yeah, we we we cried, we we we worried,

we love um, we get afraid. And so it's it's speaking from that from that perspective as as a man um, you know, allowing people to see like, hey, you may judge me, you may not understand why I haven't written to the occasion that you UM see fit for me, but they're they're bumps and bruises along the way. Have a little mercy for me and uh, just know that I'm doing my best, and you know, just love on me and don't ridicule me. I think the whole world takes a stab at the black man um and have

for for for years and years. Amen. Yeah, we we do get a lot of the brunt of the you know, the the stabbings, and and sometimes I call us out, like we have to call ourselves out when we don't you know what I'm saying, When we don't live up to potential, don't do things that we're supposed to do. But we also need a little bit of mercy at times. Man, because we were carrying a heavy load. Man, So this is all right here, spoke spoke to me on a

different level man, for real. Yeah, I mean I think that, um, you know, as the mother of a young black boy, he's not a boy anymore. Actually, he's a grown man. He's twenty one, he'll be twenty two years old soon. You know. I have my black father and uncles who are very much so in my life. And uh, two of the co founders of our organization until Freedom being my son and Attorney Angelo Pinto are all are black men.

In my entire life, I've worked for and with black men, and so I have a special place in my heart for my brothers because I see the pain, I see the trauma, and I also see the intentional as far as I'm concerned, misrepresentation of who you are really are, and so and asked to UM, put my beautiful voice and you know, my my excellence. UM. You know, on this song, I wanted to say something that speaks to

especially this idea that we're not enemies. You know, we're not enemies, that the black woman and the black man can't be enemies. And just because we challenge one another does not mean that we hate one another, and that there's no room for us to grow and be together. I think actually the family cannot be strong without us being together. Yeah. Yeah, because that's a disconnection. And when there's a disconnect, you're subject to any attack and to

be weakened. UM. In that in that type of environment. UM, A lot of times they try to portray that we're enemies, and I think a lot of people bite bight debate and it's created in some black women just super independence that they may not need a man, may not need

a black man, uh, and that that's not true. I think every every woman needs a man who could feel her soul and feel who she is and what she represents, to be able to to express to her his appreciation for for UM, I don't think someone outside about race could really truly do that. I mean, you can love someone, but I think when we love together, we love each other together, there's a whole different vibration and I think

that's a whole different power in that. And some people don't want to see that connection because they know how powerful it is. That's right, It's definitely. It's definitely an attack on the connection and a real um intentional, very intentional thing to divide us, you know. So so this this song really played a big p to I see you be doing these conversations about the black men's perspective,

you know, so what is what is that about? Well, we just had a panel speaking on things from the black man's perspective, Jamaine dupri Ed, Gordon Cary Sellers, and Williem Moore Jr. Myself. We got together and spoke on how how things affect black men in this climate and how moving forward, you know, we should intentionally UM strategize how to to keep the black man in a in a in a safe environment UM not only just physically, but mentally and financially, and just how how we can

grow ourselves as men and come together. So I think I think it's something that's needed um and hopefully we'll keep continuing to do that. Well, please let me be involved with the next one, man, because I have a lot of inputs. Yeah, I got some stuff to say, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Because listen, man, you you've you've made yourself a staple when it comes to being that musical voice when it talks about the struggles of black people, and when this talks about that soul,

that the black man soul. Like every time there's a song that embodies what our struggles are, what the soul of a black man is, you you immediately think about Anthony Hamilton. You know, you you've made yourself a staple in the iconic position. You know, every time I hear you on one of those songs, or every time I hear songs, sometimes I'd be like, Dad, the only thing was missing was Anthony Hamilton on this trip. Sometimes sometimes sometimes you do you gotta do it. Sometimes you know,

you just have to. It's that, it's that down home man, it's been it's been invested in me from before the womb man, just that church and that down home southern upbringing. And I saw a man who really worked with their hands and really made things happen. And uh, I saw women who were there to to nurture that man and

all that. You know, play the parton in the texture of my voice, in my spirit and being a Southern Southern Baptist, Um, you know, it gave me even more texture, um, and didnt seeing the world and seeing how how things really work, getting outside of the house and seeing how things work around the world. You know, you're creating in you a new man, um. And Uh, I'm just excited to be doing what I'm doing and being a voice that could be heard in this light. So so this

is a part of your new album. Mercy is a song on your new album that you're probably done with but you'll say you're still working on that will be released soon, you know, before you talk about the album.

Just the other day, when I received my advanced copy of my beautiful, amazing sound on your song Mercy, um, and I played it at our home in Georgia where we're knocking on doors and getting out the votes for the George just sent it raise the runoff and that's right, vote vote, vote, vote vote, you know what it is. And you know, after the song went off, we said, Alexa, play some Anthony Hamilton's and you went on and on and on for hours without a repeat song. Um, because

of all of the tracks that you have. How many albums do you have at this point? I know you have Grammys. I mean you like the man, So tell us how much of the man you are? Why talk about the album? Man, I ain't hitting on nothing. You know, ten albums and working on another one amazing Christmas album

called Home for the Holidays. Um, yeah, ten ten albums and and and still have music that's laying around that has you know, hadn't been quick and I didn't even count because the features that you you you probably got about ten albums were the features. Man, I've been on at least over forty forty or sold rap records, man, going back to Helter Skelter, coming all the way back to Rick Ross and you know, and I get called from Drake and people like that who want to be

a part of that. So, you know, just just being able to um, to be appreciated for who I am and what I'm supposed to represent me and you're on album. You know. I was like, I saw this kid online, you know how I g have it on the explore pay I was like, who is this cat? Was going to get it. You didn't even take a breath. About thirty minutes was spitting fire. That's why we're gonna now. Once I get to Anthony Hamilton's on the chorus, we out of here, baby, I got one. It's called loaded

and cocked back here. That's right. And you know when I see my son in the studio, and then you know, we were in this studio with you, and I got to see your work ethic and how you can actually help somebody like me who's not an artist at all. I'm a total novelist, but you were able to help me be comfortable to get into it. So I'm sure there's a lot of other artists who have benefited from your expertise and just you know what you know, because

you really do have something special. You know. I've been at it a long time. I got my first record deal in ninety three. I signed the Uptown n c A with Andre Horrell, Jimmy Jenkins, um Uh, Tim Dogg, Puff Daddy and all those guys, and uh yeah, man, he was one of the mentors I've known for a long time, and the Russell Simmons. So I learned a lot um from from amazing being around amazing people. It's

just about making people feel comfortable. I think when you're at your most comfortable place, you're you know, you're more you know, you're more comfortable to let more of who you are be shown. Yeah, I think that hinders when you don't have that, it hinders you your ability to sing um in a in a place that that's not hindered by fear or you know, ridicule. And you know, my job is to make you feel comfortable being your best you. And uh, if there's something you need, then

I'm there. But if it's something you already have, then I'm gonna make you aware that you have it. That dope man. And when you talk about your history, I was having a conversation with I'll be sure and he was telling me how you worked with him, and I was like, wow, I'm like any been around a long time. Thank you, Thank you know, A little water, a little wine, a little your skin, North Carolina son. You know. I try to eat good man, It's so important what I put in my body and try to keep a good

balance and a little smile a lot. I like to I like to make people happy. Um, you know, my kids are very important. My six sons. You know, they keep me, keep me feeling youthful and alive, and you know, just being an example for them. I don't want to be just dead beat, miserable spirit man who they know to be their father. I want to be something exciting to speak about and for them to have a great experience with the father really cares and it matters the

energy that I that I carry around. So I have to ask him because you always asking everybody are they married? So I need to know are you married, Anthony? No. I was married for ten years to an amazing woman. We had my younger three boys, my twins or a ten and my eight year old. And uh, yeah that's a good woman. Yes, she was a great woman man, and uh I learned a lot. Um. You know, I'll get married again. Okay, so you're looking. I'm not afraid

of love. Yeah I'm not. Yeah, I'm pretty. I'm pretty open. I'm not afraid of love. Um, but I'll be a better husband the next time. I think. Uh, maybe I just wasn't quite ready, deep deep inside, but I wanted to. I wanted to do what was decent and what was what I felt like was the respectful thing and make a make an honest woman. Um but now I've learned, you know so, so now you're ready. So now everybody run and all the way really really readly ready to

get married. You're ready to start start to get married yet but on your way? Yeah? Yeah, if it happened, if it's something that that I can't deny, like okay, this feels different, then I'm not afraid of it. I just want everyone. I just don't have enough. Ye don't. Hambleton's d m s are open, so don't come in there. Don't slide in with no mess. Man, they're coming then

you know they come with some mess. Anthony, Yeah, I have a Yeah, I ain't want to build the bears and now I don't care what you look like, what your body looked like. I ain't building no more baths, but no outfits or not. Can't do it for yourself, I ain't doing it. You should want me to do it for you. If you can't do it for yourself, don't ask me to do so. You're telling me you're not looking for the booty picture where they turned the

booty towards them. I mean, it's nice to look at on Instagram right now and again moving You know, even if they bought it, it's cool job have a job with it should be a resumet exactly. You know, you wanted to what you wanted to. You know, I tell people all the time, being in this industry and around this industry for so many years, a lot of these artists are not the person that they put on the music.

You know, you meet that you hear the music and you'd be like, you'd be disappointing when you actually meet the person. And to my I wasn't. I wasn't shocked. But when met you, you you was exactly the person that I figured. But listen to your music. Man, you you're a good, humble person. You have a good time, you laugh. You actually a comedian. I didn't even know you made. You know what I'm saying, you probably get a real comedian, you know. So the energy that you give off is

the same exact energy that's in your music. So I just want to say I appreciate that. Man. You may like feel so comfortable in your hometown and you know in the in the studio, like she said, how you just embraced her and made her feel comfortable and you just because I yelled at by this one over here telling me you could do better. You see, I gotta give her a different brother since and you gotta be a little because I know what she do. She'll get around and she was like, I can't do this, and

she always want to. She is one of the most I can't do it, but can do everything in the world. Person. Yea, I saw that. I saw that too. I was like, uh, yes you can. Yeah. I'm is like I'm gonna go home. But I couldn't but tell us about the album. The album, you know, I have some features on this. When I just did a song with with John Legend, I Love You featuring John Legend, actually written by John and produced by him. Um, I reached out to him. I wanted to.

I felt like my fans and his fans would could could really enjoy that kind of collaboration. I have one Rick Ross um Man Keisha Cole on the same song those two. It's a throwback to Mary's like a four World one type of vibe D smoke. Um you know, yeah, yeah yeah, Todd, Todd Dollar, um who else? This album is a it's one that it's a it's a journey man it's a journey for for us now. Um, you know, it takes takes you through the pain of what we just went through and the uncomfortable face we were just

uh placed in. But but it allows you to travel through that and see that things are gonna be okay. And it's knocking too. It beats are knocking, songs are strong, and the music is very powerful. Um, but you're proud of it. You're like, this is one of those and it's like a more matoy. Anthony Hamilton's right. You know,

as we grow. I find myself sometimes when I speak now or when I participate in certain program and I can see the growth and you know, it was good five years ago, but it's great now and we still have so much more to come. The thing got a marination on it. Yeah. Yeah, you consistent man. That's one thing we could say throughout your career. There's a level of excellence in a in a level of consistency that

that gives you the iconic status. I ain't just saying it because we're cool and I met you that you're definitely an icon and a legend this game. So we're gonna make sure you get these roses right now. Continue with that greatness, man, Continue album our album that we do. It's gonna be even greater than everything, man, because the greatest, because the greatest MC ever ever, ever is gonna be on it when you put this thing we got together, man.

Scribe you know it's gonna be. It's gonna be sub scrub on your on your way out, on your way out. I know that the Black Lives Matter movement is really important to you. I remember, you know, but that prior to a viral speech and all of that that I've had, you were following me already on social media because you would, you know, maybe write a comment every now and then or like a picture, and I was always just like, oh my god, I cannot believe Anthony Hamilton is one

of my followers. And that's when I had like two hundred thousand now over a million people are there. But I remember too, I remember every one of two hundred thousand people that was with you know, before, before before the viral speeches and all of that. And I know you were there because you were looking for content about you know, what's happening in the movement. So let's hear a little bit about how you're feeling in this moment after we've been able to get a new president elected.

I don't know how we're gonna get him in the White House, but hopefully he'll get in there. What do you want to see happen? You know? I just want to see people really um acknowledge, people to really acknowledge um, you know, their pardon and keeping us down and and and come into grips with you know, that was the past, and it matters still. But how are we going to go forward and really go forward um in a way

that benefits us as as people? And uh the unjust and the unfair um treatment that we get, how how do we prevent that from happening? How do we prevent cops from killing us and not making time? How how do we get to a place where we're not we don't just have civil rights, but human rights and things that really um protect us as people. I want to see that. I want to see black people being able to you know, to have big corporations, um, to to own stuff and have land and to just you know

be self sufficient um. And and just a brighter America, a more loving America, a country that really stands for you know, all the lives they talked, um, I want to see them. I want to see them, you know, step up to the plate and uh and and and put things in place in this proper place. Well listen, you know we could sit here and talk to you to do so. We want to say thank you. And a lot of artists always actually what can I do?

You know? How do I help open the movement? If you look at Anthony Hamilton's in the way that he carries himself and the way he utilizes his platform, his music, his voice is influence to always engaged, to always find an intersection. This is how you, This is how you.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you for thank you all and thank you all for same to you and for all you guys are doing and put your life on the line and everything it matters man, And we pray for you guys and cover you and uh, continued success and you know we're gonna, We're gonna we got You'll see you. I'll see you at the Grammy's next year. From Mercy's Going to to the Top, I'll see you from my album. We're working on the baby already, I

guess already. Red Let's get it, Anthony Hamilton's single he's single, man alone, ain't nobody can deal with your attitude? Are you serious that man ain't gonna be to deal with attitude? Are you really seriously saying that to me? I am your sister and one of the dopest women. You don't know, dope, But what does that have? What are you talking about? He's a real man, see a real man, a real woman. Me. That's the thing that's the problem. Okay, that's the problem

right there, That's what it is. Yeah, right, so that's the issue. Get real, you know, will the real men please stand out? Well, listen, I'm going to stand up a man crazy and I and I have an attitude. You basically said in so many words that Anthony Hamilton wouldn't date me because I was a bit. But that's cool. Listen the truth I set you free, you know. And you said a man stand up, So I stand up. But what I don't understand. And I also just don't get it, as I always say, you don't get it.

I just don't get it. What would compel someone to be a black Republican? But to me, how do you be a part of a party? Were you not even one persentative representation? Well, sometimes you say, when I start thinking about I didn't even one percent at this point, because if you're thinking about all of them, just thinking

about it depends on when you say representation. I'm talking about elected OFFICI that's what the representation, if you representation is not the people who vote in the party, is the people who represent the party. When you look at the faces of the party, we represent black people represented about one percent. So how do you as a black man, black woman, so you know what, I'm going to vote

with the Republican Party because how do you do see that? Listen, we just had this conversation on another one of our episodes, and we talked about all the time that um representation doesn't necessarily mean skin color. But okay, even if it doesn't mean skin color. So if you understand that there's nobody in a party right that comes from where you come from. And I've had the same struggle you had, have dealt with the same adversity you've had to deal with,

how do you think that they can properly represent you? Well, I mean I think that, first of all, I don't I don't get it either. Advocate here. No, it's not that it's not just devil's advocate is also being unable to understand different perspectives. I know, people like choices. They don't like to feel like they're being shuttled into one direction where they also don't see how that particular avenue

is benefiting whatever it is they care about. Right, So, you know, there's so many people who look at the Democrats and say this is trash, and guess what, A lot of times I feel like the Democratic Party is trash as well. So I kind of get that some people want options. I think sometimes there's a level of rebellion that folks are just when they want to shake

it up, they want to do something different. But I also think that there is a sense of I don't think everybody who votes Republican or who is a part of the Republican Party has experienced what we've experienced, because when I take time to get to know some of these individuals, and I have a few friends, not as many as I did. Before Donald Trump was elected, I

had many more Republican friends at that time. Now that he has been in office, most of my friends who were Republicans have changed parties because they just can't, you know, I mean, obviously morally they could not continue to support um uh that party. However, those individuals, almost none of them, I would say ninety eight percent of them in a half are people who don't have the same stories that you and I have. They don't come from the hood.

They haven't experienced the projects and walk stepping over the urine and a drug addiction and um, you know, all all of this, the poverty and trauma that we've experienced. A lot of them come from money or they you know, they come from an affluent neighborhood, an affluent situation, and therefore they don't see themselves being They don't they don't see that there's no representation because the schools that they went to, everybody, all the teachers, the administration, basically white people,

right or you know, non black people. Um, their parents, friends are people who are not of color, many of them white. So I think sometimes it's a it's a it's a it's a mindset that we're just going with what we always knew. So for me, that's that's troubling because then means that you're just a person with a black face. You don't you don't represent black culture, you don't even represent what it is black culture is the

reality that most the majority of the black people. So when you talk about the majority of what black people have to deal with and then you put people who represent black people who have never dealt with that reality, then you don't really represent black people. You're a black person, right, and we're not taking the fact that you have. That's why we say, oh, skin folk and kin folks, because a lot of people who have black skin don't have

a Black experience. So my my problem is, even if you don't have a black experience, if you identify yourself with the culture of being black, right, because there's some people who don't have a black experience, they are well to do. People who come from it, but they they've

done enough research. They you know, they've been engulfed in the culture enough to understand what it is to be a black person in American Understand when you when I vote for the Republicans, right, what I do is vote against the interests of the majority of the black culture. That's just that's just the reality. Don't I don't care what you said. When you look at the representation in the Republican Party, will you listen to Kelly Loffler and you listen to what these people say. It is so

far fetched from my reality that I am perplexed. I am perplexed that any black person who can identify with it, you know, it's it's perplexed. So then when I think about those perplex it's perplexing. So then when you look at those people who actually run for office, they had over thirty people run for office in the Republican Party black people, there's like, oh, you know, we're waking up and we're doing this. We're not gonna just go with

the Democrats. And they had over thirty people running in Congress and different for different positions, and none of them got elected. So how none of them? So how do you represent and vote for a party with people who look like you can't even get voted in? Like how

does how does that? Because it's interesting because they will run for office in the black community using a platform and supporting a party that people know it's not of their exactly, they can't go run for it in the It's really it is the It is the weirdest state of mind because I have conversations with the people and it always stopped me there like yeah, but it's changing. But until it changes, what is the mind state that

you have that things that it represents you. But I think, I think the reality of it is that at this point we need UM a party of our own. We at least need some type of political structure that gives us the ability to leverage power by them with the masses, right because at this point, what we're doing is, you know, pretty much we have no choice but to fit in these two buckets. And I'll be honest with you and say I feel both of them. One is a disaster,

It's terrible. There's no nothing about the Republican Party that

I'm interested in or attracted to. And the other one has failed us over and over and over again, and it continues to fail us, even right now, when the new administration is not even an office yet, and already we know there are several things that we're gonna have to fight about, right, which we always we always say we always knew that, UM, but just getting ready gearing up to fight, because you can already see them leaning towards old habit um, old people not old as an age,

but old like people that came from the Obama administration, the Clinton administration, Folks who were not in vested in doing anything that I personally see as radical or overhaul shifting of institutions. So, you know, we um I think both parties have just failed us. And I see that the work that you know, uh Puff or did he as some people call him, what he's trying to do

it is important. Jay Morrison is another individual that has been talking about building our own political base so that we can again leverage our power in a real way.

So in the beginning, I've said I've said it to Puff, I've said it to other individuals, and I've also of course said it to Jay that I don't think we can just start off run, you know, come out the gate saying we're running our own candidates, because the unity among our people needs to be worked on as well, and we need to be able to get our allies to understand because it's not just black people voting, it's black people plus folks who support us voting for you know,

with us. But I think we are in a place where we can at least get organized enough that every candidate, anybody who wants to run for anything from school board all the way up, that they have to look at our agenda, commit to multiple points on the agenda and be held accountable if not. I think that's the direction that we have to go in because I can understand that there are some black people who have turned to the Republican Party out of a level of just being

it's just not seeing themselves anywhere. However, once you turn and you see what's in front of you, you should

be quickly able to turn away. Well, I kind of don't agree, you know, I feel like we're in a stage right Well, the slogan quote unquote black lives matter, it's something that everybody can identify with, right, And I feel like the same way if you've never been pulled over by a police officer and you're a black person that lives in Hollywood, you don't see But it doesn't matter because those people, even if I can't get you, right,

you have. What happens is like with music, right when you get an artist who puts out of hot song and people just start following somehow it goes diamond. So it's thirty million people don't identify. They never the song what Jess was talking about. They don't know when Meek Mills is talking about, what Little Baby is talking about. They don't have a clue what he's tolding, but he sold the music so much everybody wants to try to figure out I need to be a part of that. Right,

That's true, But it's a it is. It is because those same people that you identify with, right, those same people, because they identified with our struggles, they talking about our struggles, and Puffet is one of them. So when you put all of those same people who sold diamond and twenty and thirty millions in one room with one agenda, and we do a tour not for music, but we do a tour to galvanize our own voting base, it's gonna have people who identify with our in the in identified

with our coaches. I hear you, But that's I mean, I think I think you're off to something different because I agree with you, we need to get in the room and we need to do the work. But I will say that you know a lot of people, and I hate to use this word or this term, but a lot of people just be cloud chasing. Like there are some people who literally ran to follow Candice Owens and all of those folks just because it seemed cool,

it was something to do. And again that's because I'm gonna say again, the Democratic Party has failed us so much that people are just able to say, we're gonna know. I believe that. I believe people follow Candice because every now and then she says one or two things. I'm not saying that they completely and I agree. I'm not saying that they didn't. You always tell me a broken clock is right twice a day, so I'm not I'm not saying that that'sn't the reason. I just telling you

that people like to jump on gravy trains. So when they see that there are black folks going to the White House and Canda Zwens is saying some stuff, and people are you know, she's getting invited to speak all over and you don't feel like, oh man, I mean, candas Owens has been to every college. So I don't have a list of the schools that she speaks at. I don't have time to keep up with that. But I also I know for sure because I see online.

When I first heard of candas Owens, I went and just did a quick Google search, and I see the universities bring her in all the time to speak. And I keep saying to you over and over that some of these black people you're talking about, their entire experience has been going to white schools, listening to speakers in their white institutions, so they do get an opportunity to

hear her and others like her in those spaces. And when you have a party being that the Democratic Party that people don't necessarily feel has been properly representing them, it's easy for folks to say, you know, people who are not taking life seriously in my in my opinion, it's easy for them to go say, Okay, well I'll just hop over here because it's cool what's going on over here. It's not like we're getting these major benefits over here either. So we're leaving holes and we're leaving

people behind. And I think that it is in our and again, the major issue for me, which you and I talk about all the time, it's the one thing that we may agree on, is that the Democrats spend so much damn time trying to appeal to people who

are not with them. They don't spend their time trying to find an agenda that that that that will address the more conservative blacks and the blacks who are more liberal and you know, and trying to figure out the group of people who have the voting potential to put you in or out of office. They spend their time trying to go get Susie, who keeps voting against you. Everything will tell. That means that you're proving what I'm saying. Because if we create our own party, that's exactly what

we would do. You're gonna approve that's exactly what we do. You just said, you said because you let me tell you why, Because the whole premise of this argument was when you told you and you told puff that you don't think that we create our own party where we need If I said that, let me let me correct myself. What I told them is, I don't think that we're at the point where we can get our people to vote in the ways in which we need them to.

Yet I think that there are stages, and the first stage is being able to get our people in a mindset of being in a block where when we do vote, we have leverage. But I don't believe that. I believe that what we should do is galvanized our own people and put our own candidates and then when we then

when we start withholding our vote. Didn't make sense because now when we're saying that we're withholding our vote and we're given it, and we're showing that millions of people is voting for the people we want and what we constantly do. And like I said, the same way they do rap tours, you go from state to state and you say, listen, we need everybody in this arena right here to sign up and galvanize for our own party.

We understand that we need something different. Okay, So what I need you to understand, you know, because I have actually been doing this work for a very very long time. They about to bring another young lady on who we can ask her opinion. Um and UM. You know, of course I'm not saying that you haven't. But the problem that you're gonna have is that your number of people who are part of this thing we're building will shrink significantly.

And I'll explain to you why. Because the people, the people who are your most committed voting base period every election, the ones who vote the most are older black people who won't be at your rap concert. They don't give a damn about what any of us are saying, and they vote Democrat. They don't give a damn If the sky turns are in, but they only vote Democrat because we haven't given them. And that's why I'm trying to explain. I'm trying to explain to you that it is a process.

That's all I'm trying to say. The process you're talking about. If we got four years right now, four years, we got four years to worry about two years. It's not a four year process because between now and four years you have another mid term election process coming up. And so therefore what you do, this is just my political strategy what I think, and you guys can tell me

I'm wrong. I think you build a base of people, you begin to work over the next It's probably gonna take eight years to do what you're talking about, because in the next two years you're just gonna focus on keeping the momentum that you have to be able to get to keep the seats and gain more seats in the House and in the House, right so send it Congress, we need to keep that. So you're gonna focus on that right now, because you lose that, you lose the

whole ball game. Then in four years you will be in a situation where you can go to Kamala Harris or whomever is running on a Democratic ticket and say, over these last four years, we have signed up, we've registered, we've pulled together over ten million people who say we want X, y, z, B, D, E f G. If you don't give it to us, we might be with

the Republicans. Depending on how you work your relationship out with your Republican friends, that you might be able to change their But anyway, um, you know, it might be the Republicans might be, this might be the Independence, it might be you know, whatever it is we choose to do. But you now have a block of people. So now you get to put things on the agenda. It's on the debate stage. You hear people talking about it in primaries and otherwise. That's where you are in four years. Now,

you take that ten million. When people see your elderly people and others, they see that you took ten million people and you move policy as a result of it, they're gonna say, Okay, I'm gonna sign on and now for the next four years. In the next four years, you've got thirty to forty million people, and now you're able to say we're running John. So that's what I think.

What I'm saying this I hear you, and I just want you to say, even though our elderly is our biggest voting base in the world, right in the country, and it's it's because our youth are not being invigorated. So what I'm saying is you going on after a base that has already been established, right, that is committed to something because they feel like it only represents them. I'm going after a base that probably is way bigger than that's what's established, that has committed to nothing because

they feel like nothing represents them. So I figure, especially when you look at the culture that we have, and you look at the the reach that all of these artists in all these people have that want to change something, if you do this like you do a rap tool around the world and you Gavin us, it could be over ten million because each one of them has their own fan Baseion, I don't want to keep our guests holding but here's what I will say. I'm willing to

do whatever y'all tell let's get it. I'll do the rap tour, I'll do whatever y'all say. It's going to work. And I support that we are now going to be joined by a mina to Robbie who is She's like, she's already looking. I mean she read a state director from March for Our Lives Georgia, a deputy director for Rise Georgia. UM, getting out to vote, registering people and also just working on a lot of incredible stuff. And you know on street Politicians, we do an activist organizer

segment every week. And it's good to have you with us, Amina, what's going on in Georgia. Thank you for having me. Is a great discussion y'all will have. Man, I'm excited to be a part of it. Yes, you're gonna be a part of it now because we want to know what do you think? Do you think that if we strategically strategically strategically what is the strategic words? And it's cool if we strategically organized around our youth and we

appeal to what the youth want right now? Do you think that we can galvanize enough energy to create our own voting party. WHOA, let's go Amina, But Um, young people these days, they've they've seen a lot and comment like overall police brutality. They've seen how college debt affects them. They've seen all these things. And I was hearing y'all talking and nothing. No one is talking about these issues. We keep talking about the same things over and over again.

So it's like, does anybody actually care about us? Like you said, the elderly are our biggest voting base, but let's be real, they won't be around when we get to a certain age. So are we gonna continue the cycle of messing up the world, then coming back trying to fix it, then going back messing it up again? So we have something has to change, whether I agree realvanizing the youth, whether it be changing somebody's mind. But on that point, I don't believe in changing people's minds.

I believe once your mind is made, you're not coming back. Um, A lot of people stay so much time on just being like maybe you know, like don't vote for this person, don't be with this party. This, Uh, this is bad, this is good. But if somebody's mind is made, nothing you say or do it's gonna change it, Like no matter how many facts you present them, because in their minds,

you're wrong and exactly, And that's my whole strategy. It's like, we understand that we can't change people's minds, so why don't we get the minds of the people who are still being formed, who have a strap, who understand what it is right now that's going on. You know, a lot of you don't vote because they don't see themselves represented. Like you said, a lot of the issues that the young people are dealing with they don't hear anybody talking

about or feel like anyone cares about it. So if we put together a party that focus is mainly and exactly on what the youth who aren't voting or and the ones who are voting are really passionate about, I think we could completely change the dynamics and the trajectory of this country. I think that you you guys are right,

there's an appetite for it. But you know, as an organizer, I understand the process that things takes, changing the mindset, being able to get unity, being able to make sure people are responsible, and so I think that it's definitely called a party and its its goals are too ultimately be able to capture the votes and and be able to run your own your own candidates and what have you. But I think that the process getting towards that requires

some political education. People who vote Democrat all the time, which again I have to say it because I wanted to make sure it's clear, because you know, I see people watching the show right now who are like, Oh, she's just a Democratic you know, hustler, she just works for the Democrats. Um. But the people who are who do vote Democrat, die hard voters. Those are individuals who have been voting that way for years and years. This is not something new that happened just because you know

a couple of years, they've been invested. And I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. I don't know where you were with the Democratic primary, but Bernie Sanders. People were so excited it about Bernie. We all wanted Bernie, right, I kind of wanted Elizabeth Warren. That was my first choice, and then Bernie was my second. My son was a

big Bernie supporter. But guess what across the country when it came to time for people to show up at the polls, folks did not show up for Bernie the way that they needed to, and especially some of the very young people who were online talking about him, who didn't vote for him on the day that it was

time to vote. So I feel like we have fallen into the cycle of voting for the less of two people's We keep doing this like um, and I feel like a reason that Bernie didn't get the nomination was they weren't thinking was good for the country, was good for the people. They were thinking, well, Joe Biden can bring in these you know, these moderate votes, so let's vote for him. I remember when I found out that

Joe Biden got the nomination. I was like, wait a minute, because I know everybody who was here was like, way, I want Bernie. But then suddenly the mindset changed and it's like, well, who can be Trump? And we need to get out of this because that's how we're gonna have country. And we talked about a revolution, We talked about radicalizing and tearing down these institutions and this systemic um oppression that is built from the ground up. But we can't keep doing that if we were just like

who can be this person? It's not like a four year stretch. This goes way beyond that. A right, yeah, No, I I think you have the mindset that's necessary to do exactly what my son is talking about. And any time that I hear someone who's willing to push us beyond um, what I may be saying, which you know, again, I think I'm laying out a strategy that is a winning strategy, but I also know that we cannot move through those that process slowly like we this is not

a delayed thing. We gotta go go time. Oh so, tell us about some of the geo TV work that you've been doing in Georgia. Of course, Well, um, November, you know we flipped Georgia. It was on the group this day. It's been a it's been a once, but U on the ground organizers did that. It wasn't the Democratic Party. It wasn't Joe Biden and Kamala Harris Um coming down and being like you should vote for me. It was people realizing that this election is not a

one way flight. It's more like a bus connect and we have to get on this connection flight to go towards change. And that's how we got Joe Biden in. But now we're sitting in a position where like, okay, we're we want change, right, we want we want to address police brutality, and we want to address criminal justice reform, and we want to address healthcare. But this administration can't do anything if the Senate doesn't work. We're gonna be back, so Obama's lane. Dug Sessions how he had it, he

couldn't get anything done either. So we realized that getting John Austoff and Raphael We're not into office is the only way we can get it done. Step one was getting Joe Biden in. Step two is getting these people in so we can actually get the stuff that we want done. Of course, it's not gonna be a pent of the radicalization that we want. It's not gonna be automatic free healthcare, automatic free college, because let's be real, they're not gonna go for it at all. But something

along the way it's gonna happened. So here, um, like y'all said, we've been targeting youth because between November three in January five, three thousand high school uh kids turned eighteen. That's a whole new voting block right there. We need we tapped into that. We know that runoff elections don't have a high turn off every it's always old white people that show up to the polls. And that's why historically run off to tense being will Republican because your

voter based is not showing up. Now, this election is on such a weird day, you know, like right after the new year, are you still recovering? You don't even remember what year it is, January five, But it's to remind these people, like all summer long, you was in these streets. We were in the streets all summer long. We protested, people got be people got arrested. But was it for nothing? Is what we did? Is that for nothing? Are we just going to sit here and be like, Okay,

the cycles out, we forget the momentum. It's like, remember the things that you were fighting for. Remember how people who are suffering from corona come back home with three million dollar bills because they don't have health at checks. Remember these um problems that you know that you have faced on the daily basis, and go out and vote based on that. Don't just go out and vote because I told you you should go out and vote. Vote because your story needs to be hurt on the federal level. Well,

thank you, because I feel invigorated. I feel confident that we're gonna get the votes. Because if if you are any example of what we have to look forward to in our youth, then I know the movement is in good hands. So we want to thank you for the work you do We want to thank you for coming to our show and gracing us and agreeing with me the fact that the youth can definitely lead the way and be you know, the the the catalyst for the change. Then you vo sometimes you don't think it too the

catalysts for change. So we appreciate you. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, take care and being great, queen. Thank you. That's right, alright, alright, we have some amazing young people. Yeah, and that I mean we can help, but we didn't. We didn't ask her how we can help her that or not we can support any of her organizational efforts, but we'll make sure that we'll definitely reach out. And we need y'all to let us know

how we can support you. If you know any amazing young people, know many any amazing young people are older people who are actually on grassroots, on the ground, doing the work. So we need y'all to help us, to let us know how we can help you. If you know anybody that's on the ground, young, old, whoever, is doing the work in your community. How can we support you? What do you need from us? How can we uplift your voice? How can we lend our platform to your

struggle let us know. Yeah, for sure, because you know, that's an important segment for us. We talked about it all the time and I'm probably a broken record, but I think it's really important that we consistently bring people on our show who are on the ground doing real work. There's a lot of people again to get a lot of attention, but they don't necessarily to be doing work. But you know, I digress. I was told that I

mean today, I mean, I mean not mean. I mean that you just have you have a mood that you get in sometimes that can be difficult. It's a difficult mood, you know, and that I think that's why we don't agree on a lot of things. You see, we didn't agree about the young and old people, and you realize that your mood is horrible. I have My disposition is excellent. People whose disposition is different, you really want to have

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