Life After Acquittal

a lot about our hair stylist. But Barbara's matter, Oh yeah, yeah, matter man. You an't got got to get you a fresh line, you know what I'm saying. Thing got to be right. You know, if y'all, if y'all there listen to our house, you'll get to see how sharp this is.

But it's thing. Well, let's talk about some of these news stories because we had a full show for today, and our guests that's coming up really deserves time and attention to unravel American the American justice system and injustice system. That's a perfect way to say so. The Mexico kidnapping.

I just saw that Mexico has now most people know about this for individuals, one woman and three men got in the car, drove through South Carolina obviously to Texas, across the border into Mexico, and when they got on the other side, as soon as they got into Mexico, they were caught in the middle of a crossfire. There was some kind of shootout taking place, and the cartel

pull stop them. Someone in there entourage was shot one of the guys, and then they made all of them get out of the event, put them in the back of a pickup chuck truck, kidnapped them, obviously killed another person that was in that group, and the finally the

Mexican government found them. Of course, you know, they have their ears to the streets, where as we all know, within the Mexican government there are members of or closely aligned cartel members, and so they were able to find them, and then they returned to people who are who are

the remaining survivors. But now they have arrested and detained five of those individuals that they feel, you know, are involved with this situation, that they know are involved, and they issued an apology to America and sent now for you know, extradition and prosecution these individuals to the States. I don't know if they sent them already, but they said they will, so that is what's happening in that case. Obviously, when we think about Chanquela Robinson, we want to see

the same type of energy. And by the way, the Mexican government is saying that they're ready, that all they need is for us to send the first person, who we believe to be Dejean A. Jackson, send her to Mexico for prosecution. They've now changed the charge from femicide to homicide to make sure that it aligns with the American charges, so that if America decides that, you know what, we don't want to send them back. What we prefer to do is take jurisdiction and try the case here

with the Mexico's support. Mexico wants. They're like, whatever you want to do. Obviously, with a country that is it's not as rich in resources as America, they don't mind allowing America to use its resources to try this case. So it's it's up to us now, you know, it's up to the United States government to move forward. Just like we see swift action with these individuals, which we want to see that, hoping that we will see the same, you know, for Shanquala Robinson. Yes, man, we definitely need

justice Rush and Quella Robinson. And it's just a lot going on in Mexico. A friend of mines man that I grew up with since like second grade, was murdered in Mexico last week. It was just and I just keep hearing these things. So Mexico. I don't know what y'all got going on over there, man, but you'll want to You're gonna have to tell you not man, because

they are there taking them down out there. Man. But you know, the reality is if you look at um, you know, here in the US, people are being murdered also, right. It's just that Mexico is smaller, and it ends up being that it touches people that we know, right, or people that's close to somebody, you know, because it's so small.

But in the US, every day the murder rates are up, all types of murder rates, not just you know, violence in communities, but racial violence, just all types domestic violence. It's all up. And so we're dealing with a violent society, a violent world. And until we do something about poverty and mental health and all those challenges. You're gonna see even more, and you know, I hate to say that,

but I think we will. So last week, you and Attorney Angelo Pinto, the one of the four co founders of Until Freedom, attended a rally which was a big rally, a very spirited rally for a brother by the name of Naji Seabrooks, who was a violence interrupter in Patterson, New Jersey that was shot and killed by police. Now I'm told that police sat with him for at least two hours, or at least they were in the area.

They knew he was having some type of crisis and breakdown, which by the way, is very possible for people who are doing this work. Oftentimes you find out all different types of reasons why people have been brought to this work, and once they get in it, that doesn't mean that

the traumas that they've been dealing with go away. And so he was, you know, a violence interrupted working with the Patterson Collective, an organization out there doing good work, and there has so many violence and police accountability partners that we have organizations that work with this brother. They know and respect him and somewhere, you know, during this time that police were dealing with him. You know, after a certain amount of time, they say that he had

a knife. This is what I heard through the grape vine. Yeah, allegedly that he had a knife and the officers shot him. I mean, I don't know, you maybe have some insight, uh, you know, I never met the brother, but you know when I went out there and we were you know, just trying to help and try to bring some awareness and lend out voices out there with him that day, I met a lot of people, and the way they spoke of him is that he was really loved in his community, that he was one of those people who

you can call on, you can trust. He has a large family. A lot of his family is actually in law enforcement, so a lot of people know him. He was well known in the community. And you know, he was having they said he was having some type of mental issue. And I heard that they was out there with him for about four hours, you know, and a lot of the violence interrupters said wanting to go in, and the police wouldn't allow them to deal with them himself inside and then you know, allegedly he ran out

with a knife. You know, and I say this all the time, Man, I don't. I don't. I don't believe of a mental patient, somebody dealing with a mental breakdown, mental health with a knife should be killed. I believe that there has to be a strategy that has because I am not a paid police officer, I don't get paid to do this work. And me myself, I can disarm somebody with a name, I can, I believe, So me,

just me by myself. I'm not care enough to try to do that before I killed, right, And and we keep seeing these same situations with police officers or shooting people with niles and then shooting it killed. You know, to me, it just it just doesn't make sense. It's not humane. You know, it violates your human rights. And you know this, this poor brother should still be here man, So my condoless to his family. You know, justice for Nagi. You know, they had a like you said, there was

a big rally outside of the Patterson City Hall. Then while we're rallying, they had a meeting with the government issues inside the city hall. You know, I didn't get to see all those because they wouldn't allow most of us to go inside. They only allowed about fifty to sixty people to go in. But you know, we're still working with the Patterson Collective and all other organizations that's fighting to get justice for Nagi. So you know, we

will keep you updated hopefully. You know, we still have demands. You know, I heard that the officers were put on they were suspended and you know, put on put on leave. And I also heard that they're trying to get the body cams. So we have demands. They want the body camera, they want the names of the officers, release those things. I still don't believe have been done yet. But right, that's right. We're here to support the Patterson community and

the organizations there. M I. You know, I was saying, I don't know, because I don't even have commentary for all of this anymore. It's just so much, you know. And I remember talking to a police chief one day and I was at you know, I was asking in a situation where mentally disturbed individual had a knife and was like running around wielding the knife, and I asked, what would you do here in this situation? He said, how would get out his way? I get out of

his way. We would surround him, but get out his way and figure out a tactic for being able to take him down that doesn't include having to shoot him to day. And the thing is they have them. I've seen that. I've seen them do it for black people and white people, on all types of people. I can't see him and say only one group. I've seen them

use that strategy. But you know they and you know what the bottom line is, when the police know who you are and they know they knew him right he's in the community, you can't see him and tell me nobody knew him. They did know him. When the police know you and these things happened, it begs the question whether or not they were glad or not glad. Let's not say that, but that you know you were taking out with intention. We don't know. Speaking of police, our

brother Trade the Truth as we affectionately called Brow. Brow was traveling back to Houston last week when he was approached by the Narcotics Force Task Force at the airport and they harassed him, which he caught it all on video, and they went through his bag slightly, but I think at the point that they began to go through his bag with the video camera out, and also the way that Trade was communicating with them. They knew that they

had overstepped. He said that first they threw a ball, like some kind of toy or something towards his bag to allow the dog to kind of go over this. So it's all a form of entrapment. They're trying to see whether he's bringing something back. They threw this ball, the dog goes over. Somehow, they say the dog gave them an indication that there may be something in the bag. Now,

let me tell you why I think this is. Really it's an important conversation because I remember a few weeks ago when Gilly Gillian Walla were traveling and Gilly was pulled to the side and they went through all his stuff and accused him of potentially carrying drugs, at which he didn't have anything. So I'm wondering and would love to hear from people black folks particularly who are traveling. And it seems like a lot of black men who

are traveling who looked like they probably have resources. Maybe they got on expensive clothes and or jury. Maybe it's just that they're known and you know, somehow, another the word gets out based upon the manifesto. The manifesto which is the flight that they know who's on the plane, right, maybe somehow that's getting out and that's why these narcotics

agents are meeting our people at the airport. So I just want to hear from folks who are listening if this is something that you know about that's happening, Because if it happens to Gilly and then it's and then now we see it happening to trade. You know, where there's smoke, there's fire, So it seems to me that there's potentially more than what we know happening to our

people who are traveling. Traveling has become a very it probably always been has been this way, but it's become really a lot of like bullshit, a lot of racism and throwing people off planes, and then you got crazy people on planes doing wild shit. It's a lot going on in the air I mean, it's a lot. You know, we we we've experienced you know that firsthand, so we know all about that. And the fact that the way that we travel, we are constantly you know, face with

little things. You know, we faced like you were talking about the woman who was talking about your hair and that was a thing for her. You know, this this Asian woman who like it was very very weird, you know, and we always and then you meet people who just got bad attitudes. You know, they don't they don't really want to be there. They don't think you should be there, you know, especially in you in first class, a lot of them look at you a certain way. But then

there are some good ones. Oh great, we need great flight attendants. I have to say that, especially on Delta, I have met amazing flight attendants. And even though I do not support any of what has happened from us to uh Reverend Barber who had an issue on American airlines. Our sister I venture a Gray, she had an issue on American airlines. And now we know Tyler Quale, we know Shicari Richardson, we know Odell Beckham. I mean, the list goes the people who have dealt with discrimination what

we believe to be discrimination on American airlines. So I don't support that at all, but I will say that now there are many I've met many flight attendants, gay agents, ticket agents and you know, and others who work for American airlines and all the airlines that are really good people. They're super cool. But there are just like in any other industry, there are bad apples. There are people. There are people who do wrong. There are people who are racist,

There are people who are disrespectful. They are people who hate their job, they hate their husband, they hate their lives, they hate everything about themselves, and they bring it to work and they infringe upon other people because they know that the power to either throw someone off the plane, call the police on people, or just do whatever they want to do to inconvenience you and to set you up.

They know they have the power to do that. And so yes, there has to be a balance, because I just saw all the other day a man tried to stab a flight attendant, and you know, while he was trying to open the exit door, he was clearly unstable. You could hear it in the ranting and the things that he was saying. He was unstable. However, you still, even when balancing those types of things, you cannot um

lean on discrimination. And also you cannot allow people to hide behind those incidents where they are hiding their races and their sexism and whatever, and just the fact that they just can't believe that some of us have the resources to fly, have the resources to be in first class. So no, it's some bullshit. That's how I shout out to Trade, you know, and Trades one of the most humblest, coolest, quietest guys. When you when you piss him off, you know,

it's a whole different trade man. And he was. He was very he was very um calm. He asked the questions that he needed to ask, and that's when they I think they realized they fucked up because he was He didn't overreact, he didn't give them no reason to say. He just wanted them to know that he knew that they was doing some bullshit. So you know, hopefully you know, Trade gets some some get some type of goal closure behind that told him to reach out, you know, right

these people up. Let them know that you've been profiled. Yeah, that's right. He was profiled. He was definitely profiled man. And I would love to hear from some white folks if people are out there like, oh, no, you know my boss and my sons, so they're white people, that this happens to them, you know, because I'm starting to see this a little bit of a trend. And it's not the first time that I think it happened to Gillie. So he's two or three times. Yeah, he smoked weed.

Often trade doesn't at all, but Gilli smokes weeds, so the weed and NY on him. But no, that's not that's not that's that's not how things should go. Yes, of course, if they feel something that's in your bag. You know, we're not saying that they shouldn't be able to pull people to the side. But I've smelt all kinds of things on people. I have had situations where I'm standing in line with a white person or a white woman. Actually it happened to me one day. And

by the way, not just drugs. I saw a white woman in the airport smack pissy drunk. Yeah, steal that on the flight. But I know black people that get escorted from away from the He was just tired, kicked him out. I'm just saying and everything. No, it doesn't have to be about race, but certainly we need to. We need some answers on what it's about so we

can understand. So for my thought of the day today, I want to talk quickly about the report that has come down in Louisville, Kentucky regarding what they found, um, you know, in relation to the police department there, all the civil rights violations that the Department of Justice has found in Kentucky and in Louisville, specifically LMPD, the Louisville Metro Police Department, which we lived under for four months

and watched them. We watched them commit crimes, we watched their corruption, we watched them, I mean just everything we watched. We watched them, and their behavior was so much aligned with the reason why we were there in the first place, because of Brianna Taylor and then David mccabee, and there's been so many others where we know for sure that the Louisville Metro Police Department has engaged in illegal practices that violates the rights, the civil rights and yeah, the

civil and human rights of its citizens. And it's a lot to be said about the report. People should check it out. We're so far past discussing it and deliberating over it because we been saying it. We've been saying that people needed to look into what's happening there. And because we moved to Kentucky and until Freedom along with all our partners and others and the movement the local community, because of the summer of unrest, it forced the federal

government to have to look at Louisville. They weren't gonna do it. So when people talk about old protesting doesn't mean anything and it doesn't matter, it is exactly because of the protest movement of twenty twenty that we are able to see violation or charges first of all against officers, and now violations being brought to the forefront in terms of what they have done to the citizens there. So in my thought of the day, here's what I want to say. I'm trying to figure out what happens when

a police department. And I get it, the Consent Decree has now come down where the federal government has reforms that they are now saying to be addressed by the Louisville Metro Police Department, and if not, they have remedies and measures that they will take to monitor and not just monitor and or chastise, punish or whatever. So I

get it. I understand that. But what I'm saying is that when the citizens are in danger today because the same police or you don't just tell them, oh, we have all of these findings and they just stop doing the bullshit. That is not how it works. By the way, today, the FOP, the Fraternal Order of Police and the fucking gangs that exist within law enforcement in this country. They are going crazy about the report that came out from

the Department of Justice. They're going crazy, they are. It's racist shit going on on Twitter, which I don't go in there, but I've been sent several screenshots. People are starting to get death threats, all the shit that happens every time they are held accountable. So you think that they're going back to work and they're just gonna do the right thing. No, they're waiting for the ship to pass where they can get away with it like they

always do. So the question is, what the fuck do we do when you know people's lives are in danger today? Do you it needs to be some damn receivership. They should be shut down, ain't no damn police department. It's a game. The reality of the situation though, to me, because is that most systems of police run the same way that LMPD does. That's the fact nobody is doing

the research right. Like you said, we had to go there through this whole summer unrest, and we had to shine a light along with a lot of the activists in Louisville alongside of them who were protesting out there, who were getting arrested, who were being abused, who when they forced people to look into what was going on Louisville. But who is looking into all the other countries, I mean all the other cities and states around the nation

that are doing the same exact thing. So what I suggest that now that we see what's going on in Louisville, after people have been telling you, look into a lot of all these other police and they have them. I have to give Kristen Clark, the head of the Civil Rights Division for the Department of Justice, a black woman who comes out of the movement. She is a fair person.

She's not some every ship. Sometimes I'm like, hey, what's going on with such a such case, She's like, there's no there there, like I don't see it, right, So she's not somebody that's in there like, oh, I'm gonna just charge any and everybody. Sometimes they say no. Sometimes their department is not even willing. It's certain I want them that, I want them to charge all the right and so they're not able to do that. They're not

even that's not who they are. They're fair or she is fair, and her department that she is leading is attempting to be fair. So truth is truth. Facts are facts. If you look at the report of what it says about the things they found, you read somebody, And if you take that report and put it next to what happened to Brianna Taylor entering someone's home without knocking on the door and properly informing you know who you are, using falsified um warrants, all types of ship that's in

that report is exactly what happened to Brianna Taylor. So it's not us saying it. And so what I'm saying is Department of Justice has done it in Kansas City. They they have looked into the Kansas City, Kansas Police Department, where we know there was an officer that was there raping, harassing, and and and and and violating women and their families when they refused to stop giving him sex or whatever

they wanted. The department knew about it, didn't do anything, and there's been other violations, so they looked into that that if that is, you know, they're they're also we got a lot more to do. So right, I'm ployed the process and the progress, but keep on going, rescue. There's so much work to be done, like you said, and it's sad because the next guest that we have coming up is a part of the same damn injustice operation that happens across this country. So let's bring on

our guests. So, you know, as we were just saying, um my son, we're being joined by a gentleman and his mentor, actually, um you know, who knows all too well about the system and how we can easily our people easily get caught up in the system, and just all the pitfalls and things that he experienced fighting against

false accusations of raping. This is a mere reap who was a student at Ohio State University, and he knows all too well about the system of injustice and just how easy it is to get caught up and the difficulties of fighting when you're in this system. His mentor, Rashaun Walton, who is also a community leader, is joining as well, and we're going to talk about what took place in February or twenty twenty and what it's been

like since a Mirror was falsely accused of rape. There's been a lot, I'm sure a Mirror, and we'd love to hear from you today. Thank you so much for joining street politicians. My son, you want to add something, Yeah, I just want to say, man, you know, we're thankful that you know that you were, you know, exonerated of these false accusations, you know, being for being formally incarcerated, enforced the accused of a crime. And I actually spent

seven years for a crime that I never committed. So I know all how all too well about how this justice or injustice system as we say, work. So you know, I'm glad that you know you were able to get to the right proper justice that you deserved. And we just want to be able to highlight you and talk about your process and just so people out there can understand just how easy it is for something like this to have. So. So you know, um, you were football player at Ohio State h and how old were you?

So I committed there on my eighteen birthday, So I was eighteen when I came in. I did three seasons with Ohio State and then my season going into my senior year, you know, I was got to be a team captain everything and get on the field, be a true starter. That's when the order false accusation came about. So I was about I want to say twenty two

story of what happened going into my senior year. Um, I was getting ready, was in a spring time and then I had to encounter with a female and then I want to say about a week later, I got a call from a detective and just tell me about what I was being like, Uh, someone was saying that I did which was grape which I knew with foss. But uh, as we've seen, I had to go all the way to trial with it, um and fight for my life about it just over someone uh saying that

that I did something which obviously didn't. So you know, first of all, once again, I just want to say I apologize because you know, you don't get that time back, you don't get the accusation and those Unfortunately we live in a society like when you when you tagged with something, even afterwards, there's a process, even after you exonerate it and you prove that you said, there's a process of

people that still just don't want to believe you. You know, very good friends with the exonerated five, you know, they're real good friends of mine, and knowing their process and what they had to do to just get their life back. You know, I know it's still an upfield batter. You were a budding um football player, you know what I'm saying. Like you said you were on your way to be in the captain of the team. You're about to get

this true startup position, and then this allocated. How what was the mind state that you had when when this happened? Like this, tell me explains to me, like how you must have were feeling when you've heard So when I first heard about it, like, no, I can't. I didn't believe it. I'm like, this can't be Like, no, I know it didn't happen, So I'm like, no, this didn't. So I didn't think it wasn't going as far as

it did. Honestly, I thought, you know, it was gonna be a he say, she's saying, we was gonna figure it out through that way. I didn't think it was gonna get as far as it did. So when it first happened, I was I was just sold, just this can't be true. And the second thing that I asked myself and I was just wondering, was was just why, like why would someone project yourself to lie and uh, you know, just ruin everything for another human being. That was my big things was why I lie? Like? Why lie?

And how did the school initially treat you? All? Right? Did they ever give you a fair chance at you know, fighting for yourself or did you feel automatically that just because the accusation was made that you were team? So at first, when we first got the call, I was told nothing criminally was gonna happen, like, no charges criminally. I just had to deal with Title nine at school.

So that was at first. But then when we got taught that um, that something criminally would be happening, at that point, Um, we turned ourselves in And then from there I just felt like it was just us against everybody else, honestly, right because it was you and another young man Johs Scene went right okay, so he was he was also, Um, when you say we what you are experience, I went through this process together, and I'm

sure your family was involved. Like who would you say was the biggest advocate that you had with you throughout this process? My dad? But during the process, um, he did pass away um and twenty twenty h colding cancer. But definitely when it first happened, it was my dad. That's why I was looking to for answers, you know, for anything, I can go to my dad. He was number one supporter right when it's well, So immediately so after you would charge, you were suspended in definitely from

the team let go right right? Uh yeah, by time I was able to call my dad just to let them know that I was good. This is my call. They was already posted all over social media already. So by time I came out, I want to say, a boy, then hour after it was already I was being charged with this and to the world I was guilty. So that's how it just came about. It's so important that young guys who are on college campuses, even on their

jobs and other entitements, that they hear your story. Because I'm looking at you right, nice looking young man, you know, look, you look like a very respectable young man. This happens to you, and it's like where do you go? Like what do you do? And what's the lesson? So we're

like bumping over each other trying to ask questions. But what I was gonna say is that you were talking about people who, uh you know, obviously your father, the rest and PC of Dad, our condolences that you want to dad in the missis I can't imagine that, Like, you know, your father so proud of you up until this point. I'm sure he still was proud of you, but to know that he died with this hanging over your head has to be probably just one of the

worst feelings ever. Um. So. But but then Rashawn is in your life as well, mister, so tell us about that, Like, how how did this relationship come about? And I already see he's your your big dog protector here, so I harp on it. So my dad and a Mirror's dad grew up with each other, UM, in Cincinnati, So that's their original connection. So his dad was always at my grandmother's um house growing up and UM, you know, so they grew up with each other, so that connection was

always there. UM. And then you know, just growing up, I always looked up to his dad, UM, you know, for um, just as a mentor. UM. You know, I can go to his dad for anything pertaining to anything, if it's you know, sports, um, women, college, UM, just anything sound advice wise. UM. I could always go to um a Mirror's father. UM. So that's how that that got that connection kind of um, you know, was rocking and rolling, and you know he used to always I used to ride with a mirror's dad um to Ohio

State football games to watch a mirror um as well. UM. So that's pretty much the relationship. UM. And that's pretty much how we how we got tight and got close. You know. That's so right and farther that, um, because that was like, you know, the foundation. But I feel like during this time I wanted to go stay with him um at La to go work out, you know what I mean. He opened up his home to me, Uh had a room. He trained me for free, you know, to get me right, to keep me going on the

right path. So I feel like that's when we really, me and him start building our own relationship outside of him and my dad, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's dope that you have people, you know, somebody that you can bond with, you know, in times of you know, you need people when you're going through stuff. It's a lot of people around when everything is good. Right when you was good, you was just start football player, you

had all everybody was calling. Everybody wanted this, but I thought you got a lot A lot less people started calling when you was going through something. So you know, shout out to y'all the connection that you guys built during your time of you know, trus trials and tribulations. Um. But so what so how did this ultimately come to? And so you went through this process for how long? Three years? Two years? Like how long years? Uh? Went on for three years. So it was motions and the

putting this motion, they putting it off. Then COVID came probably pushed you. You you're having one court date every year or something like that, and I know you just wanted you just really just wanted like to get your name clear. You know you're going through this. You know you're a football player, You got aspirations. So what was what ultimately led to you being exonerated, to you being you know, being felt not guilty. What was that process?

So we went to trial, to trial lasted um three days. Uh. Then so on that third day they end up coming with a non guilty verdict. And I know they was trying to get you to cop ut, like just cop out. So I took a polygraph first and so uh, you know, to let my lawyer know who he was representing and just you know, clear up out the foggy spaces and everybody head uh, you know, So I took a polygraph past that and then so after that, I told my lawyer, I'm not taking no. Please, don't come to me about

a please, bill is I'm not taking it. We're gonna go every far they want to go with this, and that's how we're gonna figure it out. So you took the polygraph so the lawyer would know and have full confidence to fight hard for you because you didn't have

anything to hie. So and what was the one thing or maybe it was more than one thing that you would say help to exonerate you, or the truth, honestly, the truth, getting up on that standing, telling my side of it and let them geors hear the truth come out. You know, well we all know is somebody you might be a good lie, but your stories just don't add up. It's just hard to be like, that's the truthful person.

But when you hear somebody that tells the truth and said the truth three years ago and it's still the same thing that was said, you know what I mean? I feel like you just feel that and you know when somebody else being real with you. So I heard that through the process of this engagement that you had with the female, that you have got her to give consent. Yeah, so that was something that we were talking at school.

We have multiple meetings about this called title nine. So when we hear title nine, we automatically in our head we call it like sound bites, just respect women. So we hear title nine, Respect women. So we have people come in and tell us and how to deal with these situations, and one of them was making sure that everything was consentual. You get a video just asking was everything consential? Make sure you get it after you know

what I mean. There's things like that. So that's what that video, uh was, I mean, that's that's a that's a lesson. You know, your boys are engaging especially you know, they see you as a meal ticket, they see you as you know, a successful you know, the prospect to go to the NFL, and these people are trying to get get in your pockets man, and your career. So

that was very smart. You know, shout out to the coaches whoever advised you that this is you know, I advised a lot of these young boys and they think it's a joke. Man. Sometimes you gotta get you signed a contract, like like you, you might need to get your finger and all types of stuff. I'll say this though, the taking step further though, just the avoid the situation and me personally, I don't think we should even put ourselves in a situation to where we think that we

would need that. You know what I mean if that makes sense, Like, Okay, I'm dealing with this person, I really need to get a consent video to make me feel uncomfortable. You should be already more comfortable with the person or the individual. That's the step I would say from that on, Uh, we're taking a little pushback. I'll give to that. You really never know who's who, right, No, you don't. You know, you don't. You don't, And that's the that's the best scam artists make you feel like

you don't need nothing from them. They know they're giving you things. They're making you feel comfortable. Now, we won't need nothing. I'm good, duh. They show when you love. They're doing all of these things, but they already have a plan. So you can never get to come. Especially when you're in a position of power and success, you never know who's out there trying to get you. Man careful, So I'm you know, I'm really glad that you were

able to overcome this situation. But what I want to know is, so now you're exonerating you knowe, what what are your plans for football? What is the what are you trying to do or is it something that you love of you? Okay? So what are the point you're trying to do at this point? So at this point, we're in the process of finding a different university or to commit tool so I can get my degree and also finish, you know, my college career, and then we're gonna take the next step and going to the NFL

after that. So that's a plan right there, he said, going to the NFL. They ain't know. Listen, We're going to the NFL. Many promise is the key? You no right? If you got to do it for your dad, Richand let me ask you, what have you learned throughout this process and now as a community leader and as a mentor, what are some of the other things outside of just the consent piece that you are, um, you know, talking the young men that you work with through Yeah, the

number one thing is just tell the truth. So um in the mirrors case, the story he told day one was the same story that he told three years later. Understand, Um, So always tell the truth. Is it's easy to remember the truth. Um, Like we always say this the truth. So I set you free and that's what happened here. Um. So that's what I tell everyone. Just tell the truth. Um, you know in today's language, just keep it one hundred.

Just keep it one hundred with everybody. Um. And typically that will eventually get you out of out of every any situation. Um. Typically that's what I say. And I know every everybody, you know, situation is different in every case, it's different. Um. But uh, it's a lot of people um that have you know, a lot of themselves and taken a plea deal and um, you know said that they did some stuff that they didn't even do just to get a lighter sentence or get observed, or just

to be able to go home. Um. And it's it's things like that that you can never get back. Once you say that you did something, that's forever going to be saying that you did something. That's a fact. And the last question I have on that is you're right, tell the truth. And like you said, typically because in a lot in some situations, people tell the truth and

that still is not enough. But in terms of behavioral stuff like how are you informing you know, young men, especially people with such promising careers that you know their target, what are you saying to them about their own personal choices? Like, you know, trying to choose I know it's not easy to do this, but trying to choose the right type of people. And when you are engaging in relationships, like

what's some of those conversations. If there's a young person that's listening today, you know, what would you want to say to them? And I'll ask both of you that as a closing question. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a lot. It's a lot, especially when it's you know, the relationship type of thing or sexual encounter or whatever it is. But um, the number one thing for a lot of the premier athletes is you have to protect your brand. Sou for a mirror, he's a he's a humble kid,

m but he was headed to the NFL. UM if you do the research or cornerbacks coming from Ohio State, uh, it's first round pick, after first round pick, after first round pick, after first round pick, first round picks, it's automatic millionaires, generational wealth. Um so it's just little things like that. For that, I tell kids, protect your brand because once you know, and it's a lot of times you can't even control what false accusation, but control the controllables.

Control as much as you can. M. The number one thing is protect a brand because that's what people are always going to remember. UM. And protect your name, like the REEP name in Cincinnati, Ohio means a lot like a lot of people know is that a lot of people? His dad touched a lot of people and a lot of different aspects mentored a lot of people, include myself. So always make sure that your name gets cleared, protect your brand, and protect yourself. I mean, what would you say,

only thing I probably added? Just building the right corner, you know what I mean? I have those people that tell you know, not everybody that says yes, it is not really you know what I mean a lot of people to say yeah that is cool. Yeah, let's do that. Have somebody to tell you slow down, make sure you do this, you're do that, No that's not cool, let's go you feel you know what I mean? Just somebody they're not just saying yes all the time, you know,

I mean, M yeah, you got to diversify your people. Absolutely, you gotta have you can't have too many yes men around you. Oh not yes you to death man. Literally really well, I just want to say thank you man once again. I'm happy that you e generated. You know, you know my prayers, and I know I'm gonna see you in the NFL. Man, I know I'm to see you there soon. And then you on your journey. Man, you know, continue on doing what you were born to do.

Make your father proud, you know, Rayshawn, you know you're you're like, uh what you call a guardian angel man. You know, everybody needs somebody like that that believes in them, that stands with him in times when it's tough. Man. You know there's a lot of anybody. Like I said, everybody wants to be there when it's good. You know. So now this is this is this is like sometimes God, God does things for a reason. It clears people from around you because you took with you that didn't even

deserve to go there with you. You know what I'm saying, God got you exactly. Well, who you know who is gonna be there when the chips is down? So they're gonna be there when the chips is coming in too, so you know, always see everything. You gotta always see the blessing and everything manure you see the blessing. So you know, my mom, keep doing what you're doing. You know, I wish you the best. I know you're gonna make it where you gotta go. Man, and number of appreciate that.

Appreciate that, Appreciate y'all. Thank you. Shout out to Mere Reap and Ray Shawn went. You know, look up for me. If you don't know about the man story, he was definitely one of the best, you know, definitely headed to the NFL, and these folk accusations slowed them down. They didn't stop him. As you can hear his voice and you hear his energy. He's definitely motivated to be successful and continue on along his successful path. But he learned

a lot of lessons man. And you know, being falsely accused and being in car strac I know those lessons. There were so many people around you when you was winning and things was good. You you the top, you know, I was the top rapper, young, up and coming. There so many people then when those when those sales closed, and you know, it was just me, you know, And and there's only a few people that are really gonna stand tall. So you know, I wish him the best.

Shout out to Ray Shawn because when you have somebody like that who believe he's in you, that works with you to uphold you and give you that energy because three years going through that, watch your whole life, your senior year, you're about to be the captain of your team and you're heading to the NFL, and then it's right here completely derails you. And all the people the

team don't cut you. You know, people don't distance themselves because they already believe you guilty, you know, before anything. And then there's this one or two people around you that support you and you know and lift you up. So shout out to to Ray Sean Foot what he's done. And the mayor once again, I know he's gonna be in the NFL. Man, get us some tickets. I missed that mayor at me. We're gonna get a couple to

give me the tickets first. You know what I'm saying, that's all right, I'm watching on the TV on the TV on the team, watch it on the TV. So you know that brings me to my I don't get it. You know, it's been a lot of talk, and I've been having debates back and forth and since the beginning,

you know, I haven't said anything a lot lately. But you know, last week Chris Rock came out with his special on Netflix, you know, and he addressed the whole Will Smith and Jada Pinkett situation, and and and in my in my in my opinion, I just thought it was distasteful. I didn't because you know, it's been a year you didn't say anything, and and I wanted you to address it. Now we do. I figured you would address it, but to continue on the same path. We'll

calling Jada bitches right and continue on. You know, you had you had a disagreement with a man, right, a man and in whatever disagreement, how whatever that was handled, you and that man should continue to handle it. I think for you to continue to use your voice, and this is what it was based on it the disagreement. You know, a lot of people just continue to make it this g I Jane joke, you know, and me being somebody who pays attention and just been studying this,

knew that it was before that. You know, it's been years of things, but I know it was mainly the twenty sixteen you know, Oscar's Awards and what he said at that Oscar Awards where Jada had called for protests other oscars, you know, and him just diminishing their protests, getting on that stage in front of these white people and saying that, you know, their boycott was pretty much just bullshit and she didn't even have the right or

she was basically just calling her nobody like her. You can't call nor boycott you nobody, you know, so I can. I can sympathize with be at home after I've sacrifice and saying I'm a fight for it, inclusion for black people because I know we're not getting it. And to see somebody that I thought was a friend to me and my family get on TV and diminish me and disrespect me on TV. That wouldn't have felt right to me. That wouldn't felt good to me, you know, So I

I identified with that. And then to come on and after all of those things, and knowing that we no longer as speaking, we don't have any relationship or anything, for you to utilize the same platform to say something else about me, it just was tasting. And now again after you know, the encounter, you come back and you're still hopping on this woman. And I don't think I don't see the mainly shit about that, Like I just

I don't get right. And what I really don't get it's how people don't get that disrespect is like I put a post up that said, when you don't take disrespect off the table, then you leave violence on the table. Everybody. Like, I'm not advocating for violence, right, I don't want. I wish nobody gets hurt. But I live in a world where I know that if you disrespect the wrong person, the possibility of violence exists. Right. I don't understand why people don't get there. Then you can't have the same

conversation with everybody. Right, you might talk to Tamika, Tamika might say whatever. You might call Tamika a B word, and she might be like, you know what, whatever, I'm ignore it, right, But you might call somebody the wrong person that word in the way they react might be something that you didn't anticipate. You can't anticipate somebody's reaction to disrespect. And I don't know why people don't get that part, Whether you agree with it or not. What I'm trying to say, is we live in a world

with violence is rampant. We were just talking about how rampant violence is and a lot of it is based on ego, a lot of it is based on disrespect. So I believe in the boycott Black Madame mantra, I mean, we've got black murder mantral that if we lead with respect, we cut down the possibility of anybody cann kill or any violence had had had had Chris Rock never said anything disrespectful about those people, you think there would be

any slap? No, am I saying that that justifies a step. No, What I'm saying is that if we are intentional about respecting one another, about saying I'm not gonna say that, because that is disrespectful to people, and not saying I can say what I want to anybody, right, because history has proven that that's not true. You know that one of the lords of Potway is be careful not to offend the wrong person. You can't you can't anticipate how people are going to react to your disrespect. So you know,

I hope that they find healing in that situation. You know, once again, Will is asked to be the bigger person as somebody sits there and quotes his wife a bunch of bitches and and and degrades him on TV and he has to walk around and hold that in and and that's just supposed to be what it is once again for years. You know, he've been doing it for

thirty and forty years. People disrespect and doing this and another thing I just don't get before I go off this topic, why do people think that whatever happens in these people personal marriage, give them all right to disrespect that man and his wife or dead personal man. These people have been married about thirty years, they got two.

I don't know how long he've been married. But what I will say is, first of all, you know how much I love and adore the smiths um and you know, I am very clear that this issue is not just as simple as people see. And that's out of the problem is that people really don't know, so they're just looking at the surface, and on the surface, you're one

hundred percent right. You just slap somebody because they're making jokes because they're a comedian, and you feel like, hey, what you know, you can't you can't do that because comedians make jokes all the time, and you should not, as an entertainer take it so personally. But the truth is that this isn't just an entertainment situation, right, It's not just jokes. It's actual disrespect, like you said, and

it's for a particular reason, you know. But I also understand that in terms of their personal life, people have no idea. They don't understand the intricacies and the details of their lives and what they have, what they allow, what they don't allow, what they've been through. But when you bring people into your life, you give them the ability to make judgment, to have a judgment, to have to have something to say. That's just the way the world opera, and so it's all fair game. I think though.

One of the things that I was thinking to myself is this interesting what I'm saying, So listen, because I give you access to my life, right, me and me and my friend, we give you access to the situation. Does that give you the ability to be able to disrespect me because you have when I'm talking about Okay, that's thinking about those those people that have so much commentary.

They have things to say, right, all these people. And what I'm saying is that when I look at this situation that most people are very focused on, which is with the young guy. I don't even know his name, and for the purpose of this, we won't even I'm not even gonna try to remember it. But this young man um obviously, Will was not shocked or stunned behind news of what happened between Jada and that young man. Right,

this is not new news to them. They've relationship wasn't in crisis as a result of it, none of that. I'm trying to figure out, why is it that the onus is not more so with people looking at him as why would he go tell as a man about his personal relationship with that woman. That's the part I don't understand. Why is the focus so much on Jada and what she may or may not have done in a marriage where clearly they have their whatever their flow of whatever they do, right this guy. Nope, Jada didn't

run to the news. Will didn't go do an interview and tell people nothing about it. He wasn't crying about it. Jada wasn't out there going telling everybody her business. This man was the one who went and told the world. And yet I don't hear any people talking about that people live in coward culture because men don't even have a level of understanding of certain codes like that that

you just don't do that. We men. There was a time with men and who they slept with was their personal business, because it used to be women come out and say, well, I slept with this. Men are right and tell old books about who they slept with, like I've never heard of no ship like this is this right here is the weirdest shit I've ever seen. And they're being celebrated. Nobody is like, yo, this is some

corny shit you're doing. Nobody is calling shit corny and men men are more married mad at woman then they all this shit. I've never in my life seen an era like this. I've never seen understanding. I don't get it. It ain't for me. My mother and my grandmother told me that they could build a world over shit I don't get. And this is the world right here. I don't get none of it. So that's what I'm always gonna have a I don't get it at the end

of the show because I don't get it. I just don't understand what we're doing it and what we justify. No moment why I would say though, that I think calling Jada a bitch is so wrong, and I think people sitting by watching it and laughing or and or agreeing with it, it's actually pretty sick. I just don't think that it's right, you know, So I have to

say that and be very clear about it. I'm not saying that I think Will should go beat them up, slap them, do any of that, because by the way, you know, you have to be really you have to think too before you do certain things. You know, you hit somebody the wrong way and they hit their head, they die, or something happens, you can't ever take that back. You can't take it back. And the words that they said, while yes, it's disrespectful, it's hurtful, it's harmful, it's all

of that. Those words and even some of their actions will not be as important when you are sitting in prison or having to deal with a body on you or now. Will, as he has said many times, his staff and the people, these great actors and others that he was making room for, they suffer now because of the decision that he made. And so that's one of one of the things that makes him remorseful about what happened. And so no, I don't think that you should just

go up and slap people. Even though I know I cannot see here and say that I am exempt from it, or that it's never happened, that I've never done it, I can't say that I haven't. So I'm not passing judgment, but I am saying that we have to think before we make certain moves and do certain things, because you know, people will provoke you to put you in a situation that you can't get yourself out of. So that's all

I want to say about that. I mean, you know, but again, I'm just trying to figure out why I'm with you. The world don't make sense to me because in the world I lived in, like I think about my family members and the men, which they are many. I have many cousins, many many I don't know who they slept with, and sometimes that they slept with people. You know, you could kind of sense energy of people

that's around. You bring your girlfriend, your own girlfriend, or you see somebody else with their girlfriend come around the family hanging out. The next thing you know, the energy is a little weird, but you mind your business. You don't talk about it, and as long as it ain't no big you know, big scandal or whatever. People. I never knew the man to go tell everybody what happened. I just I never saw that just has not been a thing that's happened in my life. And social media

exposed a lot. Social media exposed you to a lot of different type of individuals and shit that you didn't think was prominent. When in this culture, man, they celebrate the chatty patty man. You know, chatty Patty gives all the props these days. So you know, once again, healing in this situation. You know, there's two black brothers. It should not be at odds. But I'm definitely not for anyone being disrespected. I'm not for men disrespected women. I'm

not for nobody getting hit. But I am aware, and this is why I am very cognizant and conscious of the way that I talk to people, right because I understand that disrespect breeds and opens the door for more and more disrespect. You know, So if we if we live, if I think, if we live our lives like that, if if people are intentional about respecting other one another, we'll see a lot less violence and counsels. Well, there we go, there we go. And with that said, we

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