Is Kidnapping a Business with Tatyana Ali and

but this won't hav me in tears. You cry sometimes for me, I try not to, you know, trying not to try not to cry. I do. I ain't gonna lie. I'm one of the people that trying not to cry. I'm getting better aty not to cry. You should get at it, yeah, because the stuff we deal with is heavy. It's heavy, and actually I've been really um. I have actually been blessed by the fact that you and other men around y'all do expect yourselves not just in tears, but even in words and just making it clear to hey,

this ship hurts. You know it hurts. So I don't think you should try not to cry, but you know, I don't want to see you crying any minute. All the time every day, because I don't think you want to see me crying every minute all the time. But yeah, it's a heavy discussion. We're talking about this new term that we're learning around medical kidnapping. Some people are calling it legal kidnapping. Others are calling it removal of children from the home, which is the that's really the basis

of the argument. There's some people who are um, you know, it's just calling all types of things and I'm learning something. I'm learning so many terms and the other thing, I think that this whole and then we're also talking about human trafficking and how the things intersect um and and one of the things that I know, and it's been said to us a million times, you know, the adults

will always say, you stop learning a debt. So for us, this is a new world that we've been introduced to and we're learning new terminology, learning about issues that we don't even know, and how it kind of connects to the work we do every day. Yeah, interesting, very much so, man, you know, and it's this this listening, you know, just viewing what's happened with Sasha and time in Tyrene and just seeing what's going on, just paying attention and to

start learning. There was a line you have to tell people whose sight in Tyrene if you haven't been paying attention to the news. Um, there are a couple whose baby was, you know, medically kidnapped as you said, or people say that some people say and just watching it.

There was alive where she had to turn in her baby to the to the hospital, and she was on live with another young lady who I think maybe have been a lawyer or something, and she was giving them terms to use as they took took her baby, wouldn't allow into the hospital, wouldn't allow them to do to even be there while they took tests or did whatever

that was they would do. So I was just listening to the lady and she was giving her advice and saying, ask them these questions right this down, asked them, all you telling me that I can't be present with my child? Are you telling me that I'm not allowed to be present with my child while you are performing medical examinations? Like there was a lot of things going on in that thing, and I just started learning. And you know, for me, it's it's we need to be informed, we

need to know what our legal rights. All we need to know what they're able to do, what they're not able to do. So this whole situation every day, every minute, I'm learning more and more about it. Yeah. No, So Saisha and Ti Tyrene Um, so that folks know, Uh, they are a couple that after their child was one

years old, they lost their son. And after losing the first baby, it was already determined that CPS Child Protective Services would be somehow involved in the birth of a new child that Saysha was pregnant with, which baby I set. I think it's such a beautiful name. Uh. She was now returned to her family, but after one week she had been removed from the household because of the things

that have been already happening with baby Rock. Um. And so they are this has been going off for six months that their son was removed from the home and Um, there's a movement that has really been developing around helping them to fight for their children and so Um, like you said, we've been getting deep into learning and understanding that there are so many families across the country. And guess what, there's some families that probably need their children

taken right. Some there are people who do not deserve to have children. But when I see the number of folks that have been reaching out to us recently, they know about some's wrong here. Something is wrong, because I don't you just look at just look at the way that this couple love doing their children and used to just see the intensity and an intention of love that they give to these babies. You know, it just it

seems like something is definitely all wrong here. Yeah, And being being a loving parents, being a good person does not mean you're perfect. It just all may that not being perfect doesn't mean that's somebody to take your children exactly exactly. You might not get the laxation process right, which was the case in sietious situation. You might not get you know, the child might fall and hurt themselves. And I get it. The system doesn't know when to

activate and when not. Because you don't know people lie. Children can't necessarily speak for themselves or advocate. But there has to be a better way than to rip babies out the arms of their mothers, mothers and fathers. So we're talking about that today, and I had I have a little thought though that is totally not a part of this conversation around um, these new terms that we're learning medical kidnapping, understanding more about human trafficking and sex trafficking.

Those things are really serious and we really are focused on that in this show. UM, like my Daughter of the Day, as I have been on my social media the last few days, and you know that. Uh, I mean obviously you invited uh Snoop to be on our board. These Uncle Snoop dogs to us. We love him so much. Uh. He's a great support of Until Freedom, our organization, Until Freedom Go. Get you a T shirt from where Until Freedom is that? And um, and he has been talking

about this Craig challenge. I'm trying to understand most people, most people, because there are some people who are there definite and usually as white folks that be their deafin. Most people get hurt doing something that they did not want to get hurt. They weren't trying to get hurt, they weren't expecting to get hurt, and they thought that the odds for them to to do this thing, we are tying their favor right. They thought they thought I

could ride this motorcycle. I'm a willie. I know that I shouldn't be, but the odds are most people can pop a willie and they're good. Right. The crate challenge, the odds are all the way against you, and only a point point point one percent of people will actually succeed. But dot two, three four or whatever, getting as close to a hundred percent as possible will not just fall, but will hit the concrete. You don't have control of your face, your head, nothing, or you're hitting these crates.

I've seen people hit their their head with the crates. I've seen people their sides getting slammed. So they are intentionally going out to do something where the odds are that you could really hurt yourself really bad. And I'm trying to understand who the hell came up with it, and why are black people who, by the way, don't like to go to the hospital because we are not treated properly when we get there. And a lot of us don't have proper health insurance. Some of us don't

have health insurance at all. Some folks got to go to work, or at least I thought maybe the pandemic's got something to do with it, because you're supposed to be at work now, your arm is hurting, your head's hurtain. You don't got knocked out your side, it's not right? What sense that maybe you could tell me? What sense does this make? It is stupid? It ain't like for me, I'm looking at it and I'm like, yo, who came

up with? Let me just see if I could Because after watching two or three of them in the way they're falling, I'm like, it's no way I'm trying that, Like if there's no possible way that I'm walking up crates where people fall on a slide on a side, the legs flip open, people hitting the ground. The last onee somebody, the last one I've seen. Moody actually kicked the dude all of his and he felt it almost broke his neck. And I'm like, yo, why do we

find amusement in the stupidest ship? Like what it is? Like? What it's like? We ain't chat. We don't have the challenge to get money, We don't have the challenge to build business. We ain't got the challenge to be entrepreneurs. We ain't got the challenge to friends make money together a challenge, but we got to create chat like come on, like I mean, listen, I guess it's entertained to somebody.

For me, it's stupid do pick completely, and I hope that people will be smarter than the stupidity that we see. Because it's done. Before we go to the next segment and have our special guests joint, we're gonna take a quick break for our sponsors. So I am uh just so how be. But unfortunately it's not a happy occasion, uh to have a young woman with us today that has really truly UM over the last few weeks shown

me what humble aggression is all about. A very uh, soft spoken woman but yet very powerful in that when she sees injustice, she's gonna find everybody that's necessary to get involved and to help. UM. Most of you saw that until Freedom has been supporting Saysha and Ti, who lost their two children. They've now UM received one of their babies back, been reunited with with with their younger daughter UM with the newborn, but they still have not been reunited with their son. And there is a major

campaign to bring raw home. And you all have been very much so involved in that, UM. But I've found out because Tatiana ilily called me and over the last few weeks, UM, we have bonded. Unfortunately, in trauma, a lot of people don't recognize how much trauma brings people together. UM. That would be the same for our relationship, my song with the with the Brianna Taylors family, with Trayvon Martin's family.

You've become really close to so many individuals based upon trauma, and that has happened here with Tatiana and I being on the phone morning, noon and night trying to assist this family in whatever way that we can, understanding that the system we're up against has a lot of power and a lot of people who support it, even people who look like us. So Tatiana, this past weekend you were in um Sara sold to Florida at a rally

that we all kind of worked on. UM. A shout out to the family and our sister Denisia, who was really the lead organizer on putting the alete together. And we were all supposed to be there, and then Hurricane Henry Kane and decided that those of us leaving from the northeast wouldn't be able to make it. But you were still able to go trade the truth to our brother, who we are on the front lines with every day,

was there. He could travel. Thankfully this time the hurricane wasn't in Houston, Texas, where he is unfortunately always UM on the front lines dealing with people who are experiencing that issue and the tragedies associated with hurricanes. So we weren't able to be there, but you all held down the fort and we wanted to hear from you firsthand what happened. You know, what did you see? What did you experience? Thanks to make up for for everything that

that you've done. And and I want to say that like I you know, I see the way you move and so um that's why I put the a p B out on you. Everybody was calling me like ta Tiana, I leave needs to talk to you. I pretext, I got emails, I got phone calls, I got d M s on Twitter and Instagram. Everybody I did um and uh so so um so in Snnesota. UM, I got a chance to um meet cit entire in person. I also got a chance to meet baby. I said, um uh and um uh baby, I said Grandma Tai's mom, Um,

Mrs Elma Mackay uh. And it was just a beautiful It was a beautiful gathering of um their community and the people in their community that have really been rallying around them and getting the message out. UM. I also met other families UH from Kentucky, from Texas, from New York, from Alabama who made their way UM, who were able to make their way over UH to be there because for them, this was their first opportunity to UM, to speak on it in a more public way. They've been

trying very much, and nobody's answering their calls, nobody's listening. UM. It was. I mean to say, it was a unity rally. It started with meditation, It started with quiet, and you know, people's hearts are broken because they're longing for their children. UM. And in many cases they are the very space that they went to for help is where they were attacked and where they were victimizing, where their children were taken or you know, um illegally or legally sorry, legally kidnapped. UM.

It was. It was beautiful that all the families spoke. UM. There was music, UM, and it was a lot. This was just yesterday. So so I'm I'm still just kind of downloading with myself just you know, emotionally what was there.

And and sometimes you go into these spaces and you know, I was there for to help and to say like you know, I care, and I'm there and I'm willing to too, willing and I hope God willing able to help as much as I can, but also to provide encouragement that they're not alone in sarah Soota, and that there are people all over the country and even people outside of the country who are starting to pay attention and who who want to help and want to know

how to help. Um it's tough. It's tough. When I one of the things that I said when I was there, when I got a chance to speak, and your message that you sent, Tomika was really well received and and it was beautiful and very powerful, as you always are. UM. But one of the things that I um I said is, and it's true. What drew me in to their story when it was sent to me by a friend was amen Ra's eyes. They look like my baby's eyes. They're

full of light. They're happy, they're joyful. You know how, you know how black babies when we love on them, they're all nice and oil and their hair is curl because they got the oils on them. You know, they got cocoa butter and shay and everything. And this is what this baby looks like. And and and and immediately just from his face, from from the light in his eyes, I thought, wait a minute, he has loved what is

going on here. And and I recognize my sons in him and in all of the children whose pictures were up there. And you know, wrong is wrong? Um? I feel like if if we are a village, you know, independent of how far we are by miles, and when you take our children, there has to be a response. They're there. Without our children, we we don't have anything. You know, they are there are greatest wildest dreams, dreams

we can't even begin to conceive of. They are those things manifest in this world, and without them we have nothing. They can't they can't. This can't stand, so can I? I want to ask you like a two part question. First of all, for for all of those I think pretty much most people know what happened with the situation, but some people may not. So I want you to give like a brief synopsis about what happened. And then you know, you talked about the rally and the people

who were there and some of the stories. Can you, like give us a couple of the stories, because this, to me, this is my bigline when I first seen this, I couldn't even believe this was happening. So yeah, I think it's hard for a lot of people to understand, and it's hard for a lot of people to believe. And I'll share a little bit about what brought me to this work, and by my baseline is maybe it's easier for me to believe. So I had an experience with the birth of my son i Sie, he now five,

in the hospital that was dreadful. It. You know, they they did many things wrong and um, many things that are abusive, like when I explained it to professionals, their DAWs to drop the kind of physical things that were done to me. And it ended up with my baby being in the Nike for five days. And I had a very healthy pregnancy, there was no reason for him to be sick. Um, but he was hurt during my delivery by by members of the hospital and that led

me to shock. You know, we were we were traumatized and extremely shocked, especially during that first year. We didn't know what hit us. And it wasn't until I became pregnant with my second son, Alejandro, that we just were like, we can't. The hospital became a scary place. I need to find some other way, and I um in my search found this was welcomed at stually by this incredible community of Black birth workers and Black Midwise and Duelus. I started working on a documentary um that I'm still

in the midst of this, this working with scientation. I have nothing to do with that, but I'm sorry, citations, I have nothing to do with that. But but um, I started interviewing black midwise and and and do us, and I've heard many stories about their work preemptively trying to make sure that CPS Child Protective Services does not you know, has has trying to gather trying to gather all of the information. They try to gather as much information during the pregnancy as they can so that if

CPS comes their arms. You see what I'm saying, because it happens so often um taking newborns away, um um and then going after other children in the home. So I had a baseline of understanding that when I met virtually with with Sigan Tie, I had heard this before. It wasn't that brand new, and it wasn't that far fetched. And what often happens UM, this is also something that's common. Saisha went to with lactation concerns. She was weaning Ra.

In the process of weaning Ra, she was he was a breastfed, solely breastfed baby, and in the process of weaning. You know, anybody who's breastfed their children, I have to it's an experience that I have. UM. Even a hospital unders stands, truly understands lactation and really has lactation people there, or they don't. And UM, in this case, you know, it's been brought to my attention that the lactation people in this hospital, this one woman in particular, is horrendous

and ultimately they were there for two weeks. UM they wanted to give him a very high dose of vitamin B. Um Seisha recorded the moment when they actually came in to take him to take raw away, and she didn't even decline the offer for the vitamin B. What she said was, I want to consult with my husband and because of COVID, he wasn't able to be there the

whole time. He was actually on the phone, and you can hear her in her recording crying and saying I'm not saying no, I just want to I want to consult. I want more information. Now, remember she went to the hospital for help, So they're claiming medical neglect. Um, but to claim medical neglect when you're asking for medical help, that doesn't make sense. That's that doesn't make sense. And and Manate County where they are has a history. Um,

it's in if there was a USA Today article. They have a history of really doing terrible things to families and taking children out of loving homes. Um. It's incredible that some of those same workers in CPS that are in these articles still have almost a rubber stamp in the county to take children away. Why they haven't been up for review. I don't know how many articles have

to be written. There apparently is even a documentary in the works at a major uh you know, uh streaming outlet about these people, and they're not up for review and they still have a rubber stamp even with this family. It's um, that's that's only part of their story. Um, there's there's uh you know, there's much more. And then they came into baby I want to say it right, I keep saying yes, But it's spelled A S T. She's named after a got it. Yeah, So that's the piece.

The only other part that I didn't hear right, right, So baby asset. Now. Part of the reason uh Saysha was trying to wean baby raight at the time she was was because she was pregnant with us Set and um what while she was pregnant when they took so she was going through all of this in a pregnancy, during a pregnancy. UM. I believe I Set was born at home. They had a home birth, and they came and took her with with no cause other than the fact that they had taken raw and that happens often

as well. They took her at when she was six, I think about six. I think she was like six days old, days old. Um in an incredible display of force, not feeling any of the baby. And because I'm human, my days old and you're taking my baby away from me, you're taking my baby away from me. You have no right, don't make it. I'm crazy, Okay, I know you have children.

This is my baby. They terrorized this family for doing both people and that's where most people get involved, because what I mean by that, I'm talking about the general public. Prior to that, you knew and others knew, and there were some folks advocating but it was when they went live during the seizure if you will, of a child of a newborn baby, that world saw it and said, what in the hell is happening? So people know they had already they said they were coming to take the baby.

The lawyer that was dealing with Rod's case, um Derreck mcburrow's that this legal team, they're doing an incredible job. They they coordinated with the property, with CPS, with the agency. They knew she was she they were bringing the baby to them, okay tow CPS. They knew they had to abide by this court order. And when they were on their way that sege happened, they already were on their way.

It's just and and that part the terror, the the the this sort of active chase um and consistent, NonStop, relentless policing of of these families. That is a very that was a common theme in all the stories that were told, uh yesterday at the rally. It was a it was a common theme of all of the stories. Um. There's another theme that I find very disturbing that I've found in two stories that's not this is not part of Sation Entie story, but two of the mothers that

spoke were foster children than themselves. When you're a foster child, and I'm now learning more about this, so forgive me people that are out there that no more if I

say this a little off, I'm still learning. Okay, when you're apparently, when you're in foster care or you've grown up in foster care, and even after you graduate out of it, which you know happens at eighteen, you're given a number between one to thirty that I guess states your risk level, independence of whether that number was put on you fairly or not, and that number stays with you throughout your life, and if your number is too high, you're put on a live it's called a live birth list,

is what I was sold. So that when you give birth in the hospital, they have the right to come and take your child, your newborn baby, based on the fact that you were a foster child, based on whatever you might have been involved with as a teenager, may or may not have. UM. I just find that astounding. I mean, think about that you were in the system and say now you're now you belong to us and

your children belong to us. What is happening? It's re traumatized, and it's just like you can't even escape the trauma level, and it's so unfortunate. It's really unfortunate. You know. I can hear the passion in your voice and just listening to this, it gets you emotional. It does, it does, it's it's it's um. You know, we've we've learned a language to speak about policing and to speak about um the car Serle state, and I think a lot of

that language applies to what's going on here. Families are being policed, children are being put into the system and never allowed to get out. Money dollars are flooding through this system based on the amount of hours that social workers spend with each child. There are bonuses, adoption bonuses, So there are some family there. One woman who spoke was told even though her case is there's also there's

also lack of view process happening, No investigation into the home. No, no, none of the things that you think happen with child protective services that should be happening. Is this okay, So there's this um assessment that happens. None of these none of that DOW process is being followed with any of these families. The belief is we have the right want to actually like how can people get involved to help? Like what what should we be doing? Which how can

we really help this process? Because prior to me hearing from Tamika after you spoke to her about this, I didn't even understand. So what do people what should they be doing? What should we be doing? How you know there's still another child that this trying to get back, Like, what is the process? What should we be doing to help?

How can we help this people? Well, I I would love even you know after this broadcast, Tamika, We've been given phone numbers to Manatee County, the right numbers to call, so that the pressure is put on the county to do the right thing. I think the fact that a set was given back to them, it is evidence that this is a safe home. They also have other children in the home. Who are who are there? Who are you know, it's clear that this home is a safe home. And a little bit you know a little bit about

Citian and Thai. You know Thi works with false of children. He's a trusted person who works with foster children. So the fact that this same system is saying no, you're not worthy you're not trustworthy to take care of your own is is insane. So so those numbers. Um that's one way to help citation tie when you see these stories post about them, because many of these families, they are they are calling organizations NonStop. I mean, I keep

hearing that from the mothers and fathers. They are nobody's answering their call. But people will start to answer their call if we answer their call. And that's that's on that's on a level of how to help families who already experiencing it, how to help yourself in some of these situations, look for the birth workers in your area. I'm I'm serious and I've said this as a black maternal health advocate to this is something that we talk about and something that even at the legislatre should level,

people are fighting for. You know, there are black midwives, there are black duelas, community midwives, community duel as, people who are not biased, who can help with with your needs, um as parents, even lactation consulting. You know that those questions that that SI had could have been answered by somebody she was safe with. So that's one way to also protect yourself. There's those are those are those are the two things right now. I mean to make you

you know, we're like in the midst. I feel like I'm in the midst of it and also trying to figure out how and I'm so glad that you're doing this podcast. How do we raise the alarm Black Lives Matter activists out there, a c l U people out there, and double a c P people out there, legislators that are out there. These families are calling you. Pay attention,

they are pay attention. They are calling And I'm going to be very traitful, it invulnerable and honestly saying I don't have an answer, but I'm trying to figure it out and once something and this is the thing about until freedom. Um. Now, we have a chat, a long chat where all of the folks who are on our team and people who are with us constantly as we travel across the country, we talk about everything when we

drop this into the chat. It has now become the number one issue that is coming up every day where people are trying to figure out what do we do. We're protested, so we're like, We're gonna go chain ourselves to the nanitys Nanity County, whoever is door. But then you don't want to create a situation where there's retaliation against the family and the babies. So you really have to find the right balance of how to address this issue where we protect families yet vigorously advocate for them.

Because I did not. I you know, you think I know a lot, and I do, but I did not know anything about this dark area of And I knew women were losing their babies physically, like you know, children dying, mother's dying at birth. I know that very maternal health issues, get that right, or maternal treatment now treatment. Yeah, I

knew that was happening. But the idea that I watched the Kentucky video that you sent me and to see I think you posted it my son, and once you posted it, I think like Snoop or somebody else posted it.

I don't know, it might have been something different, but I know that when I I showed it to my team, everybody was trauma to like what is happening because it did not seem like there have been any prior conversation with her if I removing her child, because she was at the front door with her baby in the in the in the car seat, ready to leave, and the police officers snatched her child and fought her. It is it is unreal. And I think the thing that you said,

it's so true. The trauma and the abuse, and the over policing, the aggressive policing, the illegal policing, the discrimination, all of those things exists in so many different areas that if you, if you're an advocate that just wants to address the idea though, well, when we're driving and driving wild black, well, now it's having a baby, just

being having a baby. I can't even say wild black because when we asked the question about Manatee County, we said, there anybody out there that has experienced this, get in touch with us. Most of the people who came back were actually white folks. There were white women, white women who said, I didn't have the money to fight, I

didn't have so us on medicaid exactly. So you can tell and I'm sure exactly exactly, but I'm sure if you do the real numbers and you drill down, you're gonna find that there's more black and brown people who are impacted across the nation. But at the end of the day, this is about, as you said my song class, it's about who has the money and the resources to have the duelahs, to have the additional advocates in the room,

and those people who don't and that is unacceptable. There's for for for people who you know, UM yeah, get excited by the history of it as well. And I mean excited not in a happy way. I mean excited in a in a in a I want to move sort of way, or I can get behind this sort of way. It isn't new. This country has a law own history of UM. This is why I draw the parallels to to what's happened in the last couple of years with people protesting and and and with police reform

or and and policing in our neighborhoods. This also has a very very long history. People's belief UM, the powerful people, their belief that we are not trustworthy with our children, that we are, which is so interesting because we're trustworthy to take care of their children absolutely, but we're not trust We we don't have the right to our own We don't have the right to ask questions about care

about medical care. We don't have the right to too culturally, you know, make certain decisions about UM about the way

we raise our children. Cite entire are vegan, and they believe that that's also a part of what happened to that yes, exactly, not just them being vegan, it's also their appearance when I saw them for the first time on the call that you put together, and I saw especially Tie, who by the way, Tie has this similar almost the same hairstyle with his dreads as jay Z, to be clear exactly how jay Z looks with it. You know that the dreads are together, right, not singular dreads,

but that again, jay Z doesn't have to go. He's gonna pay for his children to be born in a safe environment, probably a safer environment than you and I could ever even understand, right, But in size situation, when he walks into any room except rooms that understand him,

people are going to look at him differently. And I knew that that was a major part of what happened here, That they believe that they could um do what they did to that family based upon appearance and these ideas, these biases that are in the minds of folks who are supposed to be or who are in positions of authority. That is not okay, okay, Because as I have been talking to Tie along with you, every day. He is intelligent, Okay, he knows everything that's going on. Like you said, he

works with foster children, he has other children. How dare you make a determination about a man because of his hair or his clothing, or because my son may be wearing a hoodie as Trey von Martin was wearing a hood how dare we? Right? Right? I? I I um I. One thing that I has been remarkable about them as a family, and I want to share this with people because I think it's their source. It is there's source

of strength. But it also tells you the kind of people they are is that in every ANTHEMI you can attest this in every conversation that I've had with them, that they always bring up the other families. They always bring up the other families. I know, y'all. If I know you all are helping us, you've got to help them too. They were part of this, This is part of what's happening that I mean, that just goes to show you how they're exception. They're really remarkable people. And

I gotta chance to meet the family this Sunday. There. I'm so mad at our flights. The hurricane messed up because I was really definitely looking forward to go into that rally and actually meeting with them, but we're gonna we're not gonna hold you too much longer. I just want to say thank you for your advocacy and the passion and you know, the love that you brought to this, you know, just seeing just listening to you. If you're not moved to do something in this situation, then it's

just something wrong with you. So we just want to say that we truly appreciate you, and we are here for you. We will do all that we can. You know, I had a crush on Ashley Banks since I was like twelve and thirteen years old. So to see that you aging backwards and you come to this this level of passion, you know, for the things that really count in our society is definitely a plus. So I just want to say thank you. Continue to do what you

do and we got your back. Definitely, thank you. Guys. Listen, you're amplifying the rally right now and and I know you'll continue to do that. And um, thank you for having me on and letting me talk about it and for all all all the words that you'll do. Oh my goodness. Um. Yeah, and just you know it's Here's the go to message even in black maternal health and and advocacy is listen. Listen to black women, Listen to black fathers, Listen to black families. You know, if if

people are calling out, it's hear them, hear them. We could all do better with that, Tatiana, everything who wants us to do a better job of listening. Thank you for being with us today. We're not leaving your side. We're together in this and thanks for educating us and making me aware of something that I should have been involved in a long time ago. But we're here now and we all have a responsibility. We'll see you on the TV screen and in the streets. Yes man, Yes,

I'm proviously everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you queen. Before we go to the next segment and have our special guests joint, we're gonna take a quick break for our sponsors, Tatiana said something that is really important and we didn't trill down on it, but it's also supporting black fathers because I think we automatically when we think babies,

we think moms, and we go directly to moms. And you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but has been a major advocate in this situation as well.

Um And I think he also needs to be uplifted and that there's probably a conversation that we need to be having about black men or fathers in general and their side of the trauma and the experience, and how we can help and support um men who are dealing with this who who If women can't get support and mothers are experience in this type of thing, we can

only imagine what fathers are going through. Yeah, it's definitely you know, for me, I have actually seen some level of him before I even seen Saysha, and he, like I felt his pain as a father, just trying to identify, you know, how do you even deal with something like this as a father. You know, he's been very vocal. You can see the love that he has for his children. He expresses it, you know, and just going through this, it's got to be a lot. So, you know, I

just want to give a shout out to him. I was really looking forward to me and both of them, but I really wanted to meet him and just and tell him how I appreciate his representation of black fatherhood. You know, how he was standing on what he was supposed to stand on in the way that he exhibited the love and the protection for his family in general, not just the kids, but the way he stood by his wife, you know, and they stood by each other.

So I just wanted to say that, you know what though, it was something that Tie said to me, And I can't wait till we have them on hopefully UM and our next show, we'll be able to have Tie and Side and some of the other families. That's what we're working on UM behind the scenes. But something that Tie said on the phone the other day, let me tell

you what he said. We were talking about what happened at the hospital and the live footage that people saw of first of all, the baby being taken baby I set being taken from the car, and then they went to the hospital and they were in the hospital for hours, and outside the hospital they weren't allowed to be with the baby. It was so much happening, And I was on the phone with Tatiana and them, UM, just holding on the phone with Tie, listening to a lot of

things that was happening. And Tie was very very controlled. He kept a cool even though he was crying at times. Uh Saisha was crying. She was obviously very emotional. But overall, and of course there his mother was there. Overall, they still maintain a level of calm that was clearly necessary not to exacerbate the situation. And when we were speaking with him a few days later, Tatiana and I, he said, you know, I had to practice, he said, throughout this process.

I have had to practice a level of meditation during all of these incidents, because I know that if I'm even a little bit aggressive, just a little bit, the slightest bit, that it will turn into a situation where he could be harmed, heard, his family, could be killed, his children, and can be taking his other three children like it can get it can escalate to a level it seems like he said, no one will understand that I'm a father who lost my children. I'm watching my

wife hurt. Right. It reminded me of when one of the witnesses was on the stand for George Fooy, of the Black Man who we all loved because of how he answered questions his way and not the way that other people things thought that he should be responding. And at one point when they were asking him about how he was because remember he was the person that kept saying, hey, you know, you guys need to stop touching him. But he was doing it in a way that they they

said was harassment. They said he was taunting and something else some other language that they used. But he he exhibited extreme control. He said, I knew that I had

to be in a meditative status. So it's almost like, no matter how it's like to talk to your honest point, the same narratives are popping up in so many different places because our experiences across the board are so traumatizing that our men, you as a black man, are having to learn how to experience the worst situations ever the mass injustice and focus on meditating so that you can keep yourself and your family safe in the midst of

someone doing something that is so unjust. And it really requires it, really, it really it demands that you respond by all means necessary to save your child or whatever. But you can't. And that has got to be in and in and of itself, um demeaning and oppressive, if you will it is. It is very demeaning, especially when you are out for male you know, and you and you speak with affirmative You're very affirmative, and you speak from affirmative point of view, and you have some levels

of aggression just how you communicate naturally. And we know that that's been weaponized against us. You know, police use it as they feel like their threats for their lives. You know what I'm saying. We've been in school where we've been deemed uncontrollable. Throughout our lives. Those natural attributes of manhood that we actually possessed have been weaponized against us. And then this is in this situation. Is no this

no different? So looking at this situation, I understand exactly what demand of the George Floyd trial had to deal with. I understand exactly what you know, um Ty had to deal with when me and you were at the American Airlines. I had to exhibit the same level of control because I understood, and still I was you know, I still had to deal with whatever situation and I didn't do anything. I was so much under control because I understood, this is the narrative that you want to paint. You want

to paint the narrative that this aggressive black man. I'm already you know, kind of stocky and bigger. So I have to deal with those situations. So as black men. We always have to lessen our emotions. We have to be in full control because the minute that we show any level of aggression and raising in our voice, a vein in your forehead can put you in your family at rest. Wow. Well, I'm sorry. I wish there was something that we could do about it. Um and we are,

we're fighting, but it's unfortunate. It really is. It really is. I heard that and it brought up for me that we just deal with too much and black men certainly are dealing with a lot. So sa Ali another one of our friends. She's a new friend, new friend. I told I had a question, Actually Banks, since I was a kid, ain't no, it's nobody in the world I

didn't love, Actually Banks. And to watch you grow into this woman with that level of passion, just listening to you know, our intelligence, she is, our passion she is, and how much of a humanitarian that's a humanitarian spirit that she has. Man, it's it's inspirational and motivation now it is it is. And you know, we find too many celebrities that just want to be a celebrity. But she's stepping into something that is very, very dangerous because you know, people making a whole lot of money, a

lot of money, and they are they are. So there's there's so many different things happening. We just in this conversation when we're talking to Tatiana, I'm thinking about our next guest who's joining us right now, and I was thinking about how so many things are connected that many of us don't see and don't hear about because it's not in our everyday lives. But what we know about issues with CPS, and to be very clear, which is

the Child Protective Services around the nation. We're certainly not indicting all CPS workers or the entire system UM, but just like every other system in America, there's loopholes, there's failures, and there's a need for an overhaul, a clean up, tear down, and a rebuild of something that actually fits the times and the needs of the world that we currently live in. UM. And I met this young sister who is now joining us, Tony D. Rivera some time ago.

It's been many years. I met her long Yandy Smith Harris and uh, you know our manager LaToya Bond and others who sing her praises. In fact, I've watched her on interviews with the breakfast club with our brother Charlemagne and God and and others across the country and probably now around the world listening to her story of being one who used to participate in helping to traffic young women UM and is now engaged in saving young women and men, young girls and boys UM and helping to

free them. And I, you know, I don't know, Tony. I'm glad you're here with my son and I h street politicians today. And some people would say that these two situations that we just talked with Tatiana Ali about a family that lost their children in uh Sara Soda Florida, Saisha and Tyrene Um. You know, let's make sure we call the baby's names baby raw and then also baby a Set who is now reunited with her family, a

newborn baby. They've been going through this for six months and as a result of us learning, we now started to learn a lot more about many of the families. There are lawyers and advocates who have different terminology. Some people are calling it legal kidnapping, some people are calling it medal kidnapp and some people are saying it's just failures in the system. Others are saying that we were crazy, and that you know, the system is right and everybody

else is wrong. But something, something is going on. My intuition tells me something is happening, and I'm trying to figure out how, because I don't believe anything happens by chance. We've been trying to find ways to work together for many years, and somehow another, these two things collide where I see big money some in my song. We just

talked about this in the other interview. I mean, Tatiana ran down a list of ways that people are making money, she said, even even she said to Tony and and hi, Tony, because I'm talking so much, but we haven't introduced you formally into the show. So Tony Rivera is with us. Thank you Tony for being here. But Tony, Tatiana ran down. And you know Tatiana, Ali's young lady who was on. We know her, uh well, we know for a lot of things, but we love her for what's her name,

Ashley Ashley Banks on Freshmencivalaire and so she's engaged. She's when it got us involved. She ran down a list of ways that money is being made. Bonuses for adoption, uh, money for hours that a child sits with the social worker, clearly the fceter care system, and she said some other things. So money is being made somehow I leave out what what you did? What the most important thing she left out is when it comes to CPS and with this

whole system and with the money and everything. She left out the kids, if they're triplets, if they're twins, if they're girls, and if they're boys, there's money. Yes, yes, you get money for all of that. Yeah, Um, I saw did you hear what she said? If it's multiple children, if it's twins, and if it's boys, or if it's girls it's girls. Yes, it's just everything that you're saying and you're seeing everything's crossing the same line, the same half.

It's just like trafficking. You can call it um medical kidnapping, legal kidnapping. All of its trafficking. It's trafficking. And how is the trafficking? You may ask, how how is trafficking? Is I'm taking you from someone and I'm putting you somewhere else. You don't necessarily have to be in the same state. You can go to another state. But once you're laying into the home, you don't know what's going on in that home. So you said, we don't know

what's happening. You don't know, you don't know what's happening. Um, it's all only the same umbrella, all on the same umbrella. So Tony, let's talk about the story that you tell all every day. You tell this story about what happened to you, how you got into the trafficking business, and why you decided to be on the other side, which is an advocate to end it and I and at some point we need to ask the question. And you know, I'm sure my son's gonna want to know this about

your safety. But let's put that you know towards the latter part of this convo and just talk to us about your story. From South Calina, small town in South Calina. One night, man, my friends decided to go to Atlanta. I'm gonna give you the short version. Um, we decided to go to Atlanta to the freakent me. I wasn't supposed to be there. Were supposed to actually be in the house at another friend's house at a speek over.

Got down there and I fell into the wrong hands. UM. I wasn't a kid that was brought up about knowing about stranger danger. UM. I wasn't a kid all up where I had to look at everybody as an enemy. Um, I just fell in the wrong hands. Um. The gentleman approached me. He started buying me things. Um, he started doing, giving me the honeymoon stage, just doing things for me.

And that night we wound up in a club in Atlanta, and he knew I liked to dance because that's where he seen me doing at the Freak Me at that time. And we went to a club and next thing I know, I hear on the the DJ saying, UM, Southern Bill, you know. And I'm like, that's I didn't know who they was calling, you know, And UM, I later found out that it was me because he came up to me.

It was like, UM, go ahead to the stage. So I went to the stage, and still not knowing what was going on, UM really into it now because I see all this money being thrown at me. I'm dancing and I just see all this money. As I get finished dancing, I come off the stage, he gave me a bag and he was like. I was like, so, what I gotta do with the money and he said, it's yours. Still not knowing he's basically sugarcoatingut trying to woo me in or whatever. Um. After that, I went

back to South Carolina, like the next day. I came back UM weekend. We I thought he was my boyfriend. We saw each other on and off that you know, other black urban events. We saw each other, not knowing that he was actually keeping tabs on me. I left um my twelfth grade years. I left South Carolina and I was going off to school University of Pittsburgh, get there and um no, I was leaving, and he told me to come see him. So I stopped in Charlotte, you know, I fell out of to go see it.

And he didn't let me leave. Mm hmm. He didn't let me leave. He kept me there. Um when I tried, and he would let me go back and forth home like a day or so. But I had always come back. But when I was like, I'm done, I'm tired, I don't want to do this no more, I couldn't leave no more. It was like all my freedom was taking and then we were just went from state to state, UM recruiting girls. UM. I didn't wind up at University

of pick Um. I talked to the females every day who Um, I actually was gonna put my claws into you know, but something hit me and was like, don't do that. And I helped them actually escaped when we was at University of prip. So I keep in close contact with them and talk to their kids and you know, we I'm teaching. I'm teaching a lot of people and not just black people. You know what's going on and

how this thing. I've got schools that are as asking me to like come in and speak to their freshman kids when they're coming in because and I tell parents with kids that are leaving home from school, from high school, going to college, it's free game. It's free gew because they're there. They don't have nobody tell them go in. If they become friends with the r A, it's really on them. Poppingment. People can do anything. So I give

tips to parents of how to do and what to do. Um. Actually the Seanie O'Neill um, what was going on with when her I think it was her daughter. Somebody went off to school and she was just scared out of her mind and um, someone hit her upper was like, yo, you need to get these tips. So she didn't pick me up. So they asked me to email them to us. So I email her the tips of what they look out for, um, how to pinpoint your kids, how they how they know where your kid is in any time

a day. Um, there's just a lot of tips that I give. But with the recruited thing, how that started to go back into the story. I wasn't getting paid, you know, to do recruiting. I wasn't getting paid. Um. It was you know how you say you misery loves company. At the end of it, you've been hurt so much so you don't mind hurting others. Yeah, that was my mind That was my mind frame. That was my mind frame. Um,

I'm hurting, so why not let somebody else hurt? And my big thing was going to the churches because I knew I knew what I was looking for. It wasn't so much as plain on the week. It was more I'm a I'm a Christian girl. I went to church. If this Sunday, Um, I know what I'm looking for. I know where you're coming up to the altar every Sunday.

You asked me for something. You you want something, maybe it's money, close hot, something you're asking So I'm gonna point I'm gonna penpoinct you out when you leave out of that church, and I'm gonna ask you what is it that you want? What what you keep praying for? I see you go to the off jow every Sunday. What is it that you're playing for? So that was my main place is the churches. And you've got so much of it going on right now in the churches

that the pastors don't even know. They don't even know even even like with covid um you have churches that were still open in Cali and there was a lot going down there. But with COVID COVID made everything worse when it cames when it comes to um set trafficking and this medical kidnapping because they're asking the parents, um the young lady does in Mexican Kentucky. I don't know if you've I saw that. My baby, I'm talking right here, this is what I'm talking. So, but what y'all want

to talk about? What do you want to talk about? The baby is not Look, let me tell you something. The baby doesn't know how any dressed in this system does. He does do it one time? My baby, don't do it? Hey, don't do that to me? Like that me New York. You guys have you guys, do not do this to me? What do you think my baby? Please like me, please come back. You don't want to go to your arm please let go car Let like okay, Well, my ex

husband is annoyed. He's down there in Lexington. UM. He actually was the a D and what made him quit was the Brianna Taylor. He quit after that. But my ex husband he confided in me and told me some things. The reason what was going on, they're targeting black people because they're no, we're not taking this vaccination. We're not so here. How he explained, it is like they're actually saying that we're neglected. If we're neglecting ourselves, what use

are we're gonna do with the babies. We're gonna neglect them if it's when it's time for them to get um vaccinated or whatever. But he said that's a lot to do with it. He said the lady did not have any drugs and her system. The baby did not have any drugs and system. He said. What happened is she asked one of the other mercies to come in um because the baby frit was turning blue um and she asked if that they use in it, and the nervers that he man was like, it's fun. So she

asked for somebody else to come in. So it was it was more of a racial thing with them. Man like you to ask questions, yes, and she started asking questions and that's when it went south. And he told me, he said, Tony, it's gonna be so many more kids that are being taken, especially coming from Hispanics and black women,

because there's so much money to be made. So you know, I want to go back a little bit, you know when I'm when I'm listening to your story, and it seems like the common theme in in these situations like when when we even when we look about the r Kelly situations, a lot of these women. Is it mental emotional? Why why aren't women able to leave? Like you said, you went came back home. He would let you leave for and you didn't really want to be there. What

is it that keeps you there? Like, what is the fact that that keeps you there? It with and this goes back to um the hospital thing more than a child, that's why they want them young. Also, that's why they're kidnapping these kids because they're gonna mold them into what they want. UM. As far as keeping me in the life and what makes women stay, I don't know. It's brush wire to me when it comes to oh, they

were brainwashed, that's not it. If someone tells you that that's just example that they've given it, they don't want to give you the real example, the real reason, the real reason, what I've found in for me, UM, what I'm gonna leave for is nothing better out there for me. He's taken care of me. UM, even though he's not giving me money and the things that I want. I still have a roof over my head. I eat, if I do good, UM, I get praised if I UM, if I bring a certain amount of money in. UM.

It's all these things that come with that lifestyle. Now times out of tend you wasn't getting it before you came in. Your life was worse, way worse than what it is before you got in that lifestyle. And that's how it was with me. I came from UM, a pretty decent family. UM. I was molested, I was raped, and when I got into the lifestyle, it was like for me, okay, if I'm giving it up. Two my cousin who's raping and molested me? Why not give it up to a complete stranger for free? Wow? So do

you think that those are those things play? A fact that you based on your you know, your expertise. More are a lot of the women who have become involved in this have they been raped or molested prior to them engaging in this lifestyle? A lot of have a lot of them have they don't know how to cope with, um, but everyday life. Um. They don't know how to cope with the trauma that they had in their past life,

you know, when they were younger. So it's coming out if you don't get counseling or some some sort of counseling for it. Um. Mental illness play a big part in sex traffic. When I say huge air plays are huge part um and I'm speaking not only for me but for others, you know, when it comes to mental illness and not getting the help that we need before we went across that street to get into this lifestyle. Yeah, you spoke to a little bit about the r. Kelly case.

You know, we had talked to in that you were here in New York doing something regarding that. Yeah, so I've been in New York, back and forth in New York. Probably since June. I've been doing my little steakouts where I've been going around to shelters, staying in shelters for my organization, looking for girls looking for kids. And that's a whole another story right there. Um. But I found a lot of them that are in the shelters here in New York, and the people don't even know at

path what's going on. Um. But the r Kelly thing, Um, young lady I think her name was Fernandez, I believe that was when she reached out to me and asked me that I meet them in Brooklyn, to come and just give them not um advice. But they wanted to basically have me listen to the questions that they were gonna ask. So they don't do like um, they don't ask the question and it triggers somebody in there. Um.

They want to ask the question the right way. So it was more of us consultant things where going and they're asking and we're talking, and they just want to know what questions to ask versus them asking a question and it triggers something and it manipulates whatever the witnesses saying on the stand okay, so are you staying before. I don't want to interrupt you, but to bring it back a little bit. So you're saying that the shelter is one of the pre places that people are praying

on the young girls and getting them engaged in the lifestyle. Yeah, I won't say the name. I was in the shelter here in New York for like three weeks. I made six rescues. The last rescue I made was um July twelve. Um. The young lady who was here, her gorilla pimp was in the shelter and her bottom bitch was in the shelter. She had a baby, so they asked her to tran It's like a whole work up. And you know, that's my big thing coming back to New York because I'm like,

I need to talk to Eric Adams. I need to let him know you gotta do something. You have to do it because New York was all the way down y'all to number ten. Asked me where New York is there? Now? New York is number two for the hoobs five of

sexy human trafficking. It's number two now. It was ten, number one, Atlanta, Georgia, Atlanta Georgia's number one, Atlanta's number one, New York's number two, Florida's three, Texas for California five, Um, New Orleans is six, Colorado is seven, Oregon is eight, Um Boston is nine. And what's crazy is Arizona is fucking ten. How crazy is that? That? That's crazy? Yeah, so you're living in the shelter. No, I that's the thing that you do, is you physically, it's you know,

very similar to us. We've moved to other places to be closer to our you know, whatever we're fighting for and including and of course most notably when we moved to Louisville, Kentucky, to fight for Brianna Taylor, which is dangerous. It's dangerous. The surveillance that we experienced, the tear gassing, the flash bombing, people being arrested again in the surveillance area,

we have seen, I mean we've seen it all. We have seen people in the bushes across the street from our house, that our security found lights being on our house all night long, where they're just trying to intimidate us. Helicopters flying low over our residence were with staining so that they can get surveillance on what we're doing, and even probably to get recording of the conversations going on in the house. Drones. I mean, we experience all of that. I can't imagine what it is to be living in

a shelter. Yeah, and how dangerous it is that at some point, I mean, you're known, people know you, so it's not like you're you're not undercover. People know why you're there. Yeah, but they you know. UM. I always talked to the directors UM when I came in, because I did it just like everybody else would do it. Um, you go through path, tell them you're homeless, and it goes from there wherever they place you. That's where I started with. I let them director know that next morning,

who I am, what I do? I've had I've been on the total of ten shelter since May here in New York, and every one of the directors actually followed me on social media and they was like, shoot, we we don't know what you're doing here and what's going on. And I had to sit down and just talk to them, like I'm doing this for my organization. I say, I don't. I'm not your regular organization. I'm here because New York is a hub spot, and I found out why New York is a hub spot. If I'm six teams and

I'm pregnant, I can go to a shelter. I can go to path fill out information state that my parents have kicked me out, even though they probably have it. They're gonna place me in a shelter. I'm gonna have ten days where that case is pending if I'm the eligible or if I'm ineligible. If I'm ineligible, they're gonna keep placing me up for a total of ninety days. If I'm eligible, they're gonna find me an apartment with um either Session eight, City, Phelps, or SOSA. Those are

the three here in New York. Once they find me an apartment, I can set up shop. I can move my guerrilla pimp in. I can move my bottom bitch in. I have my baby. The next in line is gonna use my baby. I'm not gonna put the father's name on the birth certificate. My name is going to be on the birth certificate. Whoever goes in with this baby is going to say, hey, I'm taking care of this baby because the mother is incocerated. She's e to my sister or cousin and it is going to continue continue

the baby away from these. She sold her baby pretty much. So you have a lot of that that is going on in the hospitals and in the shelters. Um. The last one I did, like I was saying, back in July, this young lady, she actually ran the whole game down to us. We took her to back out to Brooklyn. It was called I think it was the seventy It was either seventy or the seventy ninth Precincts. We took her back out there because that's where she came from.

She's asked me from Atlanta. She said. It was a total of eight guerrilla pimps in that shelter, along with their sneaking pen in their bottom ditches. Two ladies had they've given birth there in the shelter. One came back with the baby, the other one didn't come to find out the baby was taken by a CS. By the time they found where the baby was at um the girls pregnant again. So it's like an open and ongoing cycle here in New York. Then it's like nobody's even caring.

They're not teaching the a c S workers or the DHS workers, Um, the tips, they're not showing them how to wed these people out, how to vet them, how they're not showing them anything. The directors is actually coming to me asking me how to do it. So when you say you're you're as we wind them down. And you know, we just did a six week series on gun violence because there's so many areas and things you need to get into. And now I'm like, we gotta

do uh, you know, several series. You know, uh, we have to do several shows and have a series on this issue as well. Because one of the things that I'm sure we will not get into enough in this conversation is that it's not just women. It's not just girls. There are boys and men who are also caught up in the same system. And people often think of the mail as being the perpetrator and not the victim. And yet there is so we want I want to hear

about that. But but but, but the thing I'm gonna ask you is when you say you saved them or you rescued these women, let's not say save. I think saved they. I don't don't really like us to use the word saved, but that they will rescue. What does that look like? Right? How like what's the process of it? And then for your own safety once people recognize why you're there, what is what happens when you come into contact with the bottom bitch as you said, or the

gorilla pen? How do you navigate those things? Well? How to rescue? Usually words I go up to them and I asked them, you know you're good? Um, it's just like the gift the gap. You gotta know how to talk to people. You have to know the words to say. If you don't know the words to say, they're gonna look at you crazy and they're gonna walk away from you. Um. Usually when I'm doing a rescue and it's somebody there, I usually go, I'm like, yo, can I pick the roles?

I need to pick the roles right quick? What's up? They'll come talk to me. They'll tell me, Yo, you can go see such a set if you pick you some roses. But I can put your something down if you um, if you really if you want them now. But you don't know if the pedals is gonna be okay, So you have to really look them over to make sure the pedals stick together. That means I can go grab you say them off the corner, rang them to you.

But you gotta check and make sure if their teeth is good, if they got gonna red, they got any kind of STV. You gotta check them over. Um. Once you do that or she do that. At they bring them to me, I pretty much can tell the ages of them. UM. So when I'm talking to him, I'm asking them like, do you want to stay? Once we leave the situation, I get a hotel room. Um, I call whatever police precinct is near me. I don't know

my one. Let them know I've done a rescue. I have such and such people here, Um, can you can send somebody over? They usually come. So many task force have been like demolished when it comes to subtracting because of you know, they the fund the police and other stuff like that. Is not as many task force. So I'm basically out here on my own unless I'm calling the police. And sometimes I can't even call the police

because they don't trust the police. They've had so many dealers with the police, so they don't trust the police. And you know, I'm not too big of a fan of calling the police myself because I don't trust them because of what happened to me when I was in the life. How to get helped by a cop, you know, and um, they don't want me to. So usually I've asked to yo, you know, how to get in contact with any of your family members or anything like that.

And I called them, and usually I sent a ticket to come pick them up, or I get on the plane because I don't put him on a bus or anything like that. I would do plane with him and I would drop him off at home. Um. But yeah, asked one young lady who I rescued that was from here. Um, her family actually came out she had been missing for six years, okay six years from the hospital here in New York. Yes, and she was the guy told her that she was in Arizona. She had When her family

got there, they thought I had kidnapping. Um. The police had to let them know, like, no, she don't want to leave his lady house. Um, so we they had to stay outside of my house for my protection. But during that night we went and we rescue a total of thirty two more girls because she led us where

everybody was staying at. She thought she was in Arizona, but she knew the hotel in the area in Gardena, but she was staying there, so we want to rescuing thirty two more girls in that night and it all left and that one girl who had been missing for six years from a CS taking her from the hospitals and her mind and putting her back. And she told us the night they took her. Two days later, the Foster day sold her to the plane. Yes, that is

just crazy listening to these stories. You know, I'm gonna say that you're pretty much a blessing. Like we always say, those closest to the problem have to be the solution, you know, the work that we do anto violence and you know, getting people off the street. I know my background in the streets, you know, and being formally inconcerated and knowing how like you said, the lingo and talking these roses and pedals right that those things are necessary,

you know. And when we talk about defunding the police, you know, and just to just to give a little background, it's about giving people like you the resources, right, It's about getting a bunch of people like you to be the first line of defense to go win in them coming behind you instead of going in there scaring the girls, locking the girls up, getting them all type of millions

of years. So we we we definitely want to make sure that people the work that you do, you should be paid the same salary that police officers get paid, right, and they're supposed to be working in connection with you, so hand in hand with you. So when you call them, they're supposed to know what it is. They're supposed to give you the first option to go into these communities because you speak to Lingle, you understand what they're dealing with.

You know how to bring these rescue these these girls, and you know. So that's what it is for us. So and a lot of times, like you said, what they're doing is trying to weaponize it because we want we want to be able to say, hey, the people who have been through this, who who understand what's going on these communities need to be the people that we we we lean on who are the first responders to these situations. So they're like, well, let them do it by theirselves, you know, we we we don't want to

do anything, and that's not what it should be. It should be, you know, the people who understand the community, the people will understand what's going on. With these people are the first line and the police are supposed to be there to back them up. And I think when we work in units in that way, it would be beautiful. With the work that you the work that you're doing

is phenomenal, you know. I just want to let you know that we I don't want to hold you long, but the work that you doing is phenomenal, and you know, whatever we can do, like Jamika said, we want to probably I think we need to do like a six week series on this and really talk about what's going on, you know, and how because people don't know what it's listening to you and just listening to all of these things and just listen to how you psychologically in the

gap and the way that you understand this. It's it's something that we might be able to see, you know, just getting these these pointers from you and were around situations like this that we probably are directly. You don't even we had church all the time with people and we don't know what's going on is these young girls and in situations. So we definitely need to get some

more insight from you. And this definitely is not gonna be our last interview with you, and I just want to say thank you for the work that you're doing. I share my son and sentiments, and I just have been really working on vulnerability and being honest because I finally have made it to a place in my career and in my life where I can say what the hell I want to say and be honest about who I am, and I'm no longer living for a facade

of what people want to see. And so I've been working at when things come up in me that need to be stated, regardless of how people will like take it, I'm gonna say so. I want to say I apologize to you publicly because this topic scares me so much that I have literally been running from I working together, because first of all, I have so much trauma and what I'm already dealing with every day. It's so much trauma and addressing police violence. It's so much trauma and

dealing with racial justice. Um, there's so much trauma wrapped up in the work that we do every single day, watching people murdered, listening to people who are incarcerated, telling their stories, trying to help to have someone then come into your world and say, and they're trafficking women and men or boys and girls, and there's all the stuff that has to be done now. I got them taking

babies from the hospital. I'm literally am afraid of what will happen to those of us who are already mentally strained trying to make space for another issue that is so serious. I mean, we and you know, you know that I love it and care for you, and and and that and that. Um, you know, I understand the significance of the issue. But to my son's point, we can't do nothing. We we we just can't, like, we cannot sit and allow this stuff to be happening around

us and do nothing. I got a Instagram tag today and several of the people I work with were also tag and I'm sure they're afraid to deal with it. We don't even know. You don't even know. I you know, if somebody kills if a police officer, or even a shooting that happens among us, or a murder that happens among us, I know the steps. I know the steps have to be taken. I know how to get people on the phone, I know how to get media there. I know how to support families. I know how to

raise money, I know how to organize rallies. I know what to do. I'm an expert in dealing with what I do. That's a fact, yes, But when somebody comes to me and tells me the kind of story I heard this morning, I don't know the first place to go to address someone sending me a post where a woman is saying help me because she was in a Walmart or asto. I talked to the police um with the white a little and the black girl and the the the young black girl is clearly disturbed by something.

In fact, the adults who are there, the white adults that are there, that the woman looks like she might actually be experiencing some type of trauma herself, and to her point, it may now be being inflicted upon this young girl who's there in the midst of them, who probably should not be placed with that family. I'm I sat there this morning and sent the message to our group and said, what do y'all things? And we started

talking about it. But that's where it stopped, because nobody in our group knows Step one is to do this right and I and I almost feel bad that step one is to call Tony. Called Tony, call to because how much can you call Tony unless we are financially supporting Tony to be able to expand what it is that she's doing. So I'm just I'm sorry that I have not been more present, but I'm being very honest and saying this scares me. There's no agi. Um, I'm

gonna give you a funny moment. So you know we, like you said, we know on each other for years, fucking lie with Yandy crazy then and she always we gotta help Tone yes, always hit me. And what's crazy is all the rest of you. I've been doing to leaker. I don't do the ship for you know, to be publicized. I do it because I don't and now I have in my mindset I don't want these kids to go

through where I went. What really made me really start doing it was because I saw the signs of somebody tried to kidnap my daughter and she was six years old on the number six trains on a hundred. I sucked this man up. They take him to the hospital, they arrested me. It took people that was there at to tell the cops. No, he was trying to pull her daughter out of her arm. He fractured my daughter's arm.

We found out seventy two hours later that this man was the purchase of a person of interest in Oregon, New Mexico and Las Vegas for kidnap four girls. H So then they called me and my husband. We get down there and my husband said to me and my my husband, my husband got locked up. When I knew my husband, he was young before he got locked up. He got locked up. He's what you called he was what you called, um, a juvenile lifer. He made up the whole term juvenile lifer. He had like all his

backing and all that. He got locked up when he was fourteen and didn't get out until he was thirty one. M Um, my husband knew who I was, like I said, when he was young, he knew who I was. Um, when this halfer he told me, he said, don't you think it's time now? It's time now for you to tell your story? He said, because I remember them asked what we used to get in Philly, you know, coming in money short. He was like, it's time now, he was like, it's only years past. You're working as a nurse.

You people thinking that you just up and up and nice lady. They don't know your life stories. And you think you should at them, so to skip ahead. Were wrestling all these little black kids, some white, some Hispanic. Do you know what got me my verification badge? To me and my son, I want you all to hear me when I say this, do you know what got me my verification badge? And I put it on my page. I found a forty year old white lady down on a skit role who had been missing for two years,

who just gave up her kids. She was being six traffic they had been looking for. We even posted it on my page and UM get alive when we found her and everything. Come to find out, you got a verification on social media? Yes, that's when I got when I when I found her and we found out a week after that when they these people called me and asked me to come because there was like we've been trying to find her for two years. We gave you her picture and you found her in three days? H

What the hell? I found out she was actually her husband? Is this big time to do x Susman? Is this big time director producers? I never met the man over there in Hollywood and he's the one who gave me my donation. It was like, people need to know who you are. I woke up the next one and I had a verification. Are so say that? They say, you got a verification for helping to rescue a white woman who was grown. Yes, babies, babies, you didn't get no

verification for that? Mm hmmm mmm, Sonny, we gotta we gotta go. Huh. I'm burdened to that. And every time I talked to you, I'm burden. And let me tell you, people are the same way with me. My son knows. As soon as they see me, they just be like who it's a lot like we will talking to you they are. They're like, we love to Maka, but it's

just too much. Like I'm thinking about times that my sign, myself and others have gone to Jada Pinkett's house, right and m c light on meet us over there, and we got other friends and we'll all get together at will and Jada's house and we end up talking about so many different issues that at times the whole room is like, Okay, wait, it's too much. But then they still want more because they want to know, want to like so then what so what do we do here?

Jade is like when her check book out right in the check to the people. I'm telling her over here need how she's doing a show creating. Um, you know she's figuring out with her producers, how she's gonna do a show on this issue. Light is calling this one to get them to post the thing and the thing. We got a full work session going on while trying to enjoy just being together because there's so much ship happening,

and not discuss these things when we get together. I always say black people need a meeting everythingree single day. You gotta have. So what I want to say is people's oftentimes say protecting me de Mallory at all costs, and we have to be saying the same thing about Tony Rivera at Tony at all courts. How do people give to you today? How can they get Um? I usually just give my information out the zel on to go straight to Rose because I don't want anything come

to me. It held straight to my organization. Um, I think it's time I have to look at it again. I know it's Tony at roles slash organization dot com. So you don't have a cash at or your website doesn't have a link. Do we need to do all your business, Tony when I say to me, let me tell you that's why I told this Toya. Um, I think I'm gonna be management again because I'm trying to do everything on my own. Yeah, and I'm really not able to um because I got so much going on.

I got like six projects I'm doing. I just finished so many pitch decks. I finished four pitch decks for podcasts, two reality shows. And see, I mean I'm just then I just got my own um ton of real production started. So I'm just like I'm moving because I'm coming out of the rescuing and you know I'm coming out of that because of my kids. My kids are older. I got three that are in college. Um, my fourteen year old she wants to be you know, live a little.

But everybody come up tour and like, yo, it's Tona, do you you're your mom? If they see me and her out, um, they see my boys in school. So it's like, you know what, I'm gonna pull back from the now from the rescue and yeah, rescue side, so they can live a little. So I said, you know what,

I'm gonna go focus on me and concentrate on me. Well, people need to give you some money to be able to do that, and of course the world continues, you need to able to hire you should have to my soience point, Tony needs to have a major building organization somewhere where there are many people that are working just like we would have. That's why we say defund the police.

I heard you saying that earlier, and I know what you're saying is that because of the budget cuts in some departments and in the police, and the police and and in the cities, they will say they don't have enough money to continue to do this work. But that's about prioritization, because they got enough money to buy what their own weapons of mass destruction where they are where

they bring tanks out to meet protesters in the street. Okay, So that's that's how we say defund the police because money needs to be shifted from policing and over police and two things like what you're talking about. But we want to give the information you just gave us. It ain't together. We need to help you before today. We're gonna you stay behind, We're gonna get yoursel and we're gonna put it out and make sure that people know how they can give you money because you need to

be funded and supported. Oh yeah, I mean, like I said, I've been trying to do my little thing. But um, I look at it as you know, everybody said, oh Tony, you need money, and you're not the first one to say it. And I've always said that. The miss Toyat and Andy, I'm looking at this thing is God is using me for a vessel. Yes, right, I can't put a price tag on what he's using it for. Um. Me putting a price tag on it is really like, um, it's like demoting me and pushing him his agenda aside. Yeah,

it's no price. Um, I'm helping kids get out of a lifestyle that God allowed me to go through. No, and I look at it. He knew I was a survival. He knew I was a strong person, so he let me go through this. So I'm helping them. So it's funny like with the money and aspect and all that. I don't I used the ship coming out of me in my husband's pocket. No, we're not rich. We do. No, we've done thank you for your time, but we're not gonna do because we've done that. We've done that, and

not only have we put out so much. We still do it. We still do it. I was listening the other day, we were somewhere, and I was watching my son literally paying for organizational expenses with his personal car RD. I do it all the time. I bought flights on

my own. If I get a check from speaking somewhere and some money comes in, I use And he will attest to this and so many others because they know I will use some of that money for me personally to pay for organizational expenses, because we don't want to run out of money to do out of work. You know what I'm saying. So I know all about what you're saying. And there are people who try to tell us that we shouldn't have money to do what we do.

We be heminently reject that we veheminently rejected. If you can give money to celebrities for music and and entertainers and and and athletes to play ball, you can also help people like a Tony Rivera my Phone, Lenard, Tamika Mallory, Erica Ford's and so many others that's doing work to be able to do what we do. So we're gonna put your infinite and he's right. Thank you, Tony, thanks.

It's so funny because when I'm looking at Tony, I see that she's overwhelmed, you know, she's she's overworked, She's overwhelmed. That's no joke. That's a burden. That's a burden. And the fearlessness which is still there's fear even in the fearlessness um of getting out there and being like I'm

going at it no matter what. That's some serious stuff. Yeah, man, And that just and that brings you to my I don't get it, you know, I just I don't get how people pray when our kids, you know, Like I really don't like as a man, who who see who really wants to be a protector and provider for children? Like I don't see how you look at a young girl six years old, ten years old, any teen years old, and like, how do you pray on our children? Like

what is it? What you know? It has to be some mindst I don't even I can't even identify, like what it would take to be a grown adult as man and pray on our babies. Man, and it to men and women. We got to change the language. Yeah. But the thing is this, most times the women who are doing it are being the victim, not necessarily. I

mean from what I'm seeing. I thought eat the other day that's been moving around online and I actually was gonna post it, but I you know, when I post something, when you post something, we gotta be ready to deal with it because it it goes wildfire. And the tweet said, stop making men think it's a badge of honor that they were victimized at thirteen and fourteen years old by an older babysitter or an older family member or an older neighbor neighbor, because we will look at that and say, yeah,

you know he had he was getting it early. But the truth of the matter is that at thirteen years old, if the twenty six year old babysitter is having sex

with you, that's rape. It's rape, and it's moles stationed, and it is traumatizing, and it is taking the innocence of a young child away, and that's gonna take about to retreat him in state of the man it really is, because I don't, I can't really, you probably find a handful, if you can find that, of men that will identify that with any level of trauma or any level of pain, like right, because when it's just looking at just as from a sexist I mean, not a sex from a

sex um inter you you know, from a woman and men, just the sex of different sexes. Men don't. We don't see it that way. We just we like as much as I sit there and think about it, and when and when you start tearing back the layers and you start doing you know, the psychological of how men are sexualized and how we equate every a lot of things, which sex. Maybe that is what has led to that mentality.

But we don't see ourselves as victims Anymost of men, young boys at that time, think that they got over you know, it was a badge of honor. They didn't feel we didn't feel nass Steve, we didn't feel violated, we didn't feel any level of trauma. So to get us to identify with that mentality, it's gonna be a lot harder not seeing this wrong because you're right now when adult is playing on a thirteen twelve whatever, yo, then there's definitely still should be um statutory rate the

same thing. But I'm just trying to say most men that I speak to will never really identify that because the thing is, and that's why I said, I didn't post it yet because I was like, gotta be ready when get it? This is getting ready to be comments. Let and you would have been one of the people in my comments that I would have to tell leave me alone. But he was giving you because I'm cold, my whole life can give you that point of view.

I know that that's that I totally respected, and I know it's a feeling in my twenty two year old to read says the same thing everybody. Everybody feels the same way. But there is so much about a man's Some men, too many men lack of and I when I say sensitivity, it's the wrong word for this context. But ability to treat a woman the right way sexually. That comes from not having a natural progression into your

sexual into your sexuality, and into your sexual understanding. Right, There's so many women who are not being pleased sexually by men because the way that they were taught to have sex was not actually the right again natural experience of the first time you're having sex, you might be I'm just using this and I'm not suggesting at all that this happened, but I'm just saying you sixteen or seventeen and you have sex with another sixteen seventeen year old.

So y'all are learning things about one another or whatever. Maybe you start out sixteen, you're just kissing. Seventeen might be a little more so. Eight seem to you know, And there's a process that you're going through. Instead, you're a young kid that is being taken advantage of buy an adult who doesn't care about you. They are literally

taking advantage of you for their own purposes. And so then you begin to reenact the same things over and over and over again because you think that that's the right way to handle a woman or to be in relationship into in sexual relationship with somebody. So I get why it's cool, and the other thing is mine. I keep telling you this over and over and over again.

So much of what we all believe is what was told to us, or what in a patriarchal society was sold to us as the truth, when if we really sit and think back on how it all and I'm not by the way, if you go back and look at the history of where some of us come from, taking advantage of young kids has been a thing forever.

This is not like the same. I'm not saying that all became the America or we whatever, and it No, this has been a thing for too long and it's always been wrong right in my judgment, And I think we have a responsibility, as I often tell you, to deal with this. So when you say you don't get it, we ain't been getting it. This is the world. And I ended and I ended on this right because I

was just listening to your perspective. And yeah, maybe you know a lot of men, you know, because of sexual experience they had they weren't natural, that were you know, out of order, probably have you know, made them a lot less compassionate and even understanding about women and take the time to do. But I'm being honest with me. My sexual experiences were older women is what taught me

sexually as it may. Like when I was having sex withal younger, I didn't even though it wasn't having sex, right, I thought I was actually having sex and I wasn't. That I found out from an older woman like that's not You didn't you didn't go in anywhere, like you didn't even put it. You just was in between my legs. Nothing actually happened. A young girl just didn't even know. She wasn't telling me anything. So I mean, there's this variation and this and that might be something that's necessary.

You made need to go through the process of learning and knowing and this and that, and I don't. And I know for sure that an older woman has no business teaching that to a child, right. That should not be happening because it also goes along manipulating the mental ability and capacity of a younger person. It's a lot of stuff that happens. But I will say this, and you write we're done on because me and you every week we end up fighting all this kind of stuff.

But I will say good, most dudes don't even know how to have sex, even though they had it with the old women, because most women are faking orgasms during sex. So the brother can get the hell uh, that is what's happening, ladies, y'all, But it's the true happened. I'm just telling you. And with that said, we're gonna end this episode of Street Politicians. We appreciate y'all once again. If you've got topics that you want us to talk about, let us know. If you hate us, if you love us,

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