Enough is Enough

last several months. We found out in late May that this young sister had been killed in her home on March thirteenth, And when you look into the details, there is absolutely no justification for why police officers showed up at her home in the middle of the night, were unwilling to announce themselves and to explain to Kenny Walker, her boyfriend, and Brianna Taylor who was on the other side of the door, and why and therefore she was killed.

H And we have been standing with her family, her mother to make a palmer, her entire family, her sister, Jenia and others really really trying to find a way that pushes the leadership not just in Louisville, but in the state of Kentucky overall to ensure justice for Brianna Taylor and so living here in Louisville has been quite

an experience. Later in the show, we're gonna be talking to our co founders about the decision that we made to come and live in Louisville and what it has really been like to be humble enough to enter another community where we're not known and try to make sure that we're actually being good neighbors. It's been quite an experience. It's been quite an experience. Man. We shout out to

the whole Louisville. They have definitely showed us love. Um, we've been organizing, We've been going to the community, going to the most marginalized community, giving our resources, just building community, you know, just understanding what this community needs. You know,

it's not just Brianna Taylor here. I know, Brianna Taylor is the main focus that we talked about, but there's so much going on in a little you know, a few days ago we found out a three year old girl was shot a few days when we first moved the first more and you know, we found out she was killed and her father was killed. And you know,

you go to the communities, there's food deserts here. You know, violence is rampant on poverty is rampant here, you know, and that, but there are a lot of people on the ground that really are doing the work, you know, so we want to We wanted to come here and uplift what they're doing. We want to uplift their voices. We wanted to uplift be Brianna Taylor's case, you know, and bring some light to that. So just moving here seemed like the best thing to do because you decided

that we needed to do it. But you know, in the hindsight, when you look back and look at how we built with this community, how we started to create a family. You know, we did Brianna Khan, which we definitely received flat full, but the community loved it. Yeah. Well, when you say we received flat there were people on social media and some media outlets who really were trying to challenge our uh sincerity and we're trying to challenge what Brianna Khan meant and they said we were trying

to benefit from for the conference. And I think what happened was that people didn't know at the time that it was a free conference. They had no idea. So I think once they figured that out, then it became oh well, still the language, um is you know, it's not it's harmful to Brianna's name into this fight. And then and her family wasn't involved. And then they found out the family was involved and they were like wow, but still like it just people were just looking forward.

What I'm saying, it was conflict and it was you know, people gave us flak about it, but ultimately, you know, every day of the four days that we had something for Brihanna com was life changing. You know. You had a women empowerment event in which all the women who I've seen left there talked about how they were empowered and motivated to to bring people in, to communicate with people they haven't communicated, and what to do things they

haven't normally done. Um. We had a men's event Brothers for Brihanna, and we sat there and talked about how we need to show up for women in this time, how we need to protect our women, how we need to you know, allow them to lead, to stand by to protect them, how we need to just show up

in this time. And it was really powerful. And you know, then there was the Bribe Que, which was the barbecue that we named after Brihanna, in which we had performance to shout out to Rapsody, my boy Tray, you know, um other local artists who came and did an amazing job. And you know, and that was one of those lightening moments where you've seen people. We had food and giveaway people just had a good time. And then and we supported many black business, many black businesses that day. You know,

every business did that we support. It was a black business. We gave away everything. Then there was the revival which we have faith leaders and preachers come give us words like I was full, you know. And then we did the Day of Action in which, well you missed a

press conference where the FACI police came together. Families who um have had loved ones as victims of police brutality or white vigilante violence came together to stand up with and for Brianna Taylor's family and specifically pushing for Brianna's law, which would ban no knock warrants. And we know that the no knock warrant is at the center of how Brihanna was killed and how police officers were even allowed to go to her home that evening. UM and so

the entire conference, it was very full. I think that what we ended up doing was using Brianna Cohan and a name that may have been to some people sensationalized, if you will, and we use it as an opportunity to at every juncture of the conference introduced Brianna and all the elements of her case to different audiences, and the different elements of her case and the different elements of her interests, things that she actually was interested in based upon her family and uh, the issues that are

happening just in society in general. I think at every single moment it empowered people or gave people the information that they need to go into their communities and do real work, substantive work to make substantive changes and differences within themselves. UM. And I saw people at the Tuesday actions. So we started on Saturday, UM with the empowerment events,

and then Sunday, like you said, with the brebeque. Monday was a policy day when it was more about you know, people talking about Brianna's law and other important initiatve to its happening happening across the state of Kentucky. UM. And then on Tuesday we did our actual protests with which we are most known for and I saw people who showed up that said, listen, I came on Saturday. I'm not really involved in the movement. This is not something

that I usually would do. But after being with you all in space on Saturday, I found, you know, I found a way to get involved. And I think you know, for me, Um, what we know is that everyone is not going to be a part of the movement regardless, but that there are some people that just need an

entry point. They need something that helps them, like to realize that, Okay, I don't have to be a church going you know, um, you know, super super righteous individual to to also be able to stand up for justice. And perhaps I can move closer to some of those things, but I don't have to start there exactly. And that's what and that's what it is. I think that's what

we do until Freedom. I think that was one of the mind states that we had behind creating unto Freedom, is that we realized that the movement didn't look inviting to everyone. You know, a lot of people didn't see space, they didn't see themselves in a lot of different organizations, and a lot of these legacy organizations, though doing amazing work, it just doesn't seem like people see themselves in it.

You know. I remember when I first got into the movement, I didn't see myself, you know, the reason I was invited in by you guys, But I never saw myself in the movement. I just integrated into it, but I never really saw myself. I never feel like there was space for me. And I started to create my own space.

And as I created my space and it, you know, I realized that there was a need for organization for people who just saw themselves and not having to force yourself and create a space and having to look different and you know, being anomaly. I wanted what I do

to seem regular, you know. And I think that was part of what we did when we created Until Freedom, and I think that's what we did this weekend with the Brier Q and how we've been organizing here, and I think it's been a lot successful, you know, hopefully, you know, we received some level of justice, you know, but if not, we're still fighting here and we're building

an infrastructure. We're building up, and we're building up a lot of these grassroots organizers who are brilliant, who've been doing this work, who've been tired like we created something that replenished energy inside of the town. And I think the people not just inside the town, because we bought a lot of people in with us who have actually been living with us in Louisville, UM, that have that also. They had things going on in their own towns, but

they needed the replenishment as well. And you know, I think we've built sort of a camaraderie a family by having people living actually together, rather than living in hotel rooms where there's a wall between you, but actually sharing common space, having dinner together every night, having brunched together every day, UM, and having these conversations and allo so

working on a project together. In two weeks, we worked together twenty five people on building Brianna Cohn and throughout the process, UM, I feel like people they have they have tested their skills, they have stretched their bounds. There's so much to itself and we learned so much from each other because I certainly have learned a lot, and I think I also have found myself teaching, teaching and

learning at the table. So soon we're gonna be joined by Lindas Ursur and uh Angelo Penzo, our profounders, to talk about their experience with um this entire living in Louisville, fighting for Brianna Taylor, justice for Brianna Taylor situation and effort. But you know, now Lord Chadwick uh Bozeman has passed away, which is so traumatizing. I mean, it's traumatizing for so many reasons. It's traumatizing because he's a young black man. So even if he had been, like, you know, just

a regular guy. You heard about him dying, it would be traumatizing because cancer sucks, which we know, UM. But then just to see how much he's actually done for the culture and the short period of time that I know him, Like, I'm sure others have been acquainted with him for a longer period of time, but for me, I came into contact with him a little bit before Black Panther. I can't remember exactly what the movie was,

but I knew he was. And then when Black Panther came out, you know, all of us know what that movie did. It helped us to see ourselves right, like to see the warrior in us and to see what real unity could look like, UM, and to know that he has he didn't just play a role, but he also spoke truth to power you know, he spoke out against injustice, UM, and he lended himself to this moment in our culture. It's really important. And to find out that he passed away, it's like I think we could

all agree that the ones always go. I think it was I think um, like I put on my Instagram today, I think he served his purpose like he's sitting he was sitting here God sense. And you know the roles that he played specifically as the childer Jackie Robinson, Jackie Robinson, that he did Jackie Robinson, he was serving Marshall, he was James Brown, like he played in intro instrumental parts of black people that you know that change history for us. And but I think what he did as the childer

in Wakanda was something that was different. I think he made us aspire. He made us believe that this community of Black people who are empowered, who are strong, who are intelligent, who are not poor, who are not stressed out, who live amongst each other and you know, in community and love and you know it's possible. You know, he made us Wakonda. When we say Wakonda forever, people started to identify like Wakonda forever, Like it was a real thing.

And even though you knew Wakanda was fake, but for us it was something to aspire to. It still was something I remember, you know, I'm wearing this um dashiki right now in remembers of him. And also when my gold and purple for Kobe, you know, I said that we lost the black Mamba and the Black Panther, you know, in the same year, and you know, it just gave

us something to aspire to. And I remember when I went to the movie and I brought my sons, they dashikis, and we went to the movies and it was Wakonda and we did the thing, and it was just it was something that was different about that, you know. And I think him losing his life is calling us to say, we have to that dream. That picture he painted about Wakanda is something that we have to do. We have to create that Wakanda for us. So so I think it's calling us to our higher mission, you know. So

R I P the chat with bothness. So let's bring Linda and Angelo in and talk about this Kentucky. First of all, both of them are just as devastated about Chadwick. I mean, just R I P. Like you said, and I think we should bring them in to talk about this whole experience of being in Kentucky. How we're all exhausted. I think last night, when I learned that Chadwick Boseman Bozeman passed away, I was like, I am literally exhausted. I'm literally exhausted. And some of us are are living

on the fringes. Uh, and we're living in in a space where we're like, this year has done something for us, Like it's really been in an awakening year. Um, tragedy and triumph, all of it together has just been so um moving moving. It's been moving. Yeah, I think you know, God makes you uncomfortable where you at, so you can have to change, you know what, We make selves and comfortable uncomfortable by saying we're gonna go move to a

place like Louisville. Changes happened. So now we've been joined by our friends are co founders Until Freedom, a great organization as far as I'm concerned that it's going to be one of the absolute most historic movements movement leaders of our time. Um, you know we're joined by you all. Attorney Angelo Pinto and Linda's our Sword co founders Until Freedom founders, our best sees in the culture, in this

movement um. And we were just talking before you all came about how somebody somewhere came up with this great, great idea that we needed to move to Kentucky. And it's been quite a humbling experience. I mean, for me, it's been humbling being being away from our usual Angelo what you think, I think, I think it was a great idea. I mean, I think in this moment it calls for us to do something different, but it comes with a tremendous amount of sacrifice. And you know, we

still haven't gotten to where we need to get. So you might be here for longer than we expected. Yeah, we might be here longer. So Linda, what do you feel about I mean, I've been part of to me because crazy ideas for a long time. I mean, I've marched from New York City to Washington, d C. For two and fifty miles and I've done I've had to

do a lot of crazy things with Tamaka. And sometimes you may not see the vision in the beginning, but you know that there's it's something that's going to be powerful, and eventually, once you do, you understand the impact that it had. So it's crazy. I'm not gonna lie about that, but I've had a humbling experience. I feel like we've all built really deep relationships, not just with amongst us four, but amongst others that you know, are our friends. And

also just being able to meet people a Louisville. I don't know, Louisvill grew on me, like I feel like gause when you start saying as in Louisville. But you know what, there's a meme that I saw, you know, memes of like Bible scriptures at this point that said, Noah looked crazy until it started raining. And people think that we're like crazy, like, oh, what they moving there for? Then? What did they do? Brihanna Cohn? Why was Brianna kN necessary? It was a mockery and all of that, um, you

know was Marcha doesn't mean anything. Marshall means a whole lot. But I'm just saying these are the things they say. So they so Noah looked crazy until it started raining.

But Brianna Khan was amazing. Amazing, it really was for me, just seeing the unity, just bringing people who normally had never been together, you know, just providing resources to the community that you know, has been deprived these resources, you know, and just seeing just bringing a smile to Brianna Taylor's mother's face and the family and you know, her sister and the aunts and just seeing them come out and enjoy.

There's a moment at the briver Que, you know, which we got a lot of platform, you know, where there's playing Jake, I mean kidding the marks, So we're gonna be We're gonna be all right, And she was just jumping up and we were just in the middle and it was just like, you know, even in the tryingness of times as we did with so much pain. I know she's dealing with pain, we were able to create that moment that's gonna be a moment that lasts forever.

I know, that's gonna be a time that she looks back on and be like, y'all remember that moment that people look back on. You know what's so interesting about that day too, she just got the news before she showed up at the Breebeque that there was going to be an article to come out later in the week that basically attempted to assassinate her daughter's carriage. So she knew about that coming into the breebeque and was really sad. When she first got this, she was like, I really

kind of want to go home. And I asked her to do an interview, to do one or two other things, and then we made sure she got food, her family member showed up, and over time, as it went on and could the day continue, you begin to see her realize that just going home to be angry alone wasn't going to deal with like any of it. Actually she needs to stay there and give people the energy that

they need to keep fighting. Absolutely. I mean we've always had the days and everything that we've ever done, there's always a they said or that they criticized us. We never are, in fact a d percent sure who the days are, but we continue to move forward. I think we became very sure who the days well, I mean some of the days, oh yeah, we that we found out, Yeah, they were pretty they ended up being pretty clear. But I think um for us doing like the organizing that

we did. You know, one of the things that I always tell people all the time, like, y'all are organizers. Were organizers too, And I think oftentimes people want to question each other's strategy, like anybody knows better than anybody. And and one of the principles of non violence that we practice is, you know, suspend your judgments, ask some questions. If there's something that's not clear to you, pick up

the phone and call somebody and ask some questions. I think we're in a type of culture where everybody would have questioned you have, would have a commentary you have, it goes online before it goes back to the actual people that you know are actually doing the work. I mean, we shouldn't be questioned um about you know, our intentions, or you could criticize our approach. And I'm not saying that we're above critique, and then we should never be

above critique. But I think a lot of people know us well enough to know what we've done in the last two decades and and and not also how strategic we are, Like everybody knows that about us. I mean, we're not We didn't just show up to the movement. And I think oftentimes the critiques come up from up place like like we just started doing this. But then if that's the case, then perhaps I'm wrong for for saying that the fights given to Lebron by President Obama

was Um, she just said all this stuff. But the thing is this, you know, she said, you're not above critique, right, So so when you look at the situation, you look at the time, and you look at what the move at the moment, the moment called for, and you understood that when Lebron and other teams who said we're not gonna play, the ripple effected cost throughout just the world, you know, the sports world, Baseball players started playing the

tennis party stuff plays. So when you when you see what you did and understand that every owner, everybody had to say, Okay, what do we need to do to fix this? And you didn't utilize that time to actually fix the problem because we went there saying, you know that Jacob Blake was shot and this was a catastrophe and we wasn't like he said, thuk, this ship were tied, right. That was his his words. So if you wanted in

you had a conversation. I don't I don't want to put a lot of burden on you, but I'm asking you what was the decision that made you say, decided to start some social justice initiatives within each team so that each team has an opportunity to really figure out what they can do to be a better part of this fight. So that's important. And then they also decided that many of the stadiums are going to be open for voting. So what about Jacob Blake? How does that

help Jacob Blake? Because I thought I thought that I RESI I thought the strikes was because you were mad at butout what happened to jacoble I think that the players in Minnesota, I mean not in Milwaukee, being that they were from the town when this happened. We're angry about what they wanted to make A shows up there and say we're not playing. So if you weren't playing, then what were you not playing for? You were just mad? Or did you want to see some results? Did you

want to see officers fired? Did you want to see officers charged? Like? What was it about? Okay, well, Angelo, maybe you have an opinions my senses. I think even for us being a little the we're in a movement right now, right and national uprisings. The world is changing and being transformed. But there's moments in the course of a movement that emerge, and in those moments you can take the movement forward, or you could reel it back in and the NBA where they were in one of

those moments where it was like holding weight. The movement is happening, a moment has opened it up specifically for you and what you do, I'm going to carry the movement further by honoring and capturing your moment or are you gonna do the opposite and set us back five paces? Right? And that's what they did. And the challenges I think for folks who don't do this work, because I think our perspective and our legs is different. Folks who don't

do this work, they have to make a sacrifice. They have to say, you know what, if I do this, I'm risking something, but it's going to take us further. It might not take me individually further, it will take us collectively further. And I think so for some folks, that's too much. The rest that was, that's too much to ask when they haven't done it, and it makes sense to cut you off. That was a statement that the way Howard that made prior to even the season starts.

You know, he was saying, you know, I would love nothing more than to win my first championship. But the unity in the championship with my people, that it's something that's even greater. And that was this moment, right because since you didn't do it, then okay, everybody's like, well, we want to go back. This was the moment and you've seen the effects. You've seen once you did it, how it ripples down. Everybody was like, oh, we gotta stand with you to the owners one in know what

do we have to do to fix this? So when you this thing that you have that leverage and you and you forfeited for what. Shaun King tweeted something that I thought was so true. He said, I'm glad that the Milwaukee Bucks did not talk to people about their first move before they did it, because people would have talked about it as now the moment And that's the deep thing about this moment is that it's not over yet. No it's not. And they still have the opportunity to

do something that can be powerful and transformative. It's going to cause somebody something though, we'll see and that and that's the thing. And so I feel like your from your perspective because you're like always the odd ball, right, You're like, I'm not black, but yet I'm a valuable part of this movement from a strategic perspective, from a passion perspective also, you know, and also from the rest

of us being able to learn. But I feel like in your community what I saw when I was in Palestine. When I was in Palestine, but I saw as people who are willing to sacrifice right and sacrifice big. But then you said something when we were speaking earlier today about how like there are people Muslims who are part

of the establishment. Also, like we all have these elements of our community that's not necessarily for the most radical, Like we're on the radical hinges, right, So you think fringes fringes, I mean in my community, to be honest with you, like in the larger Muslim community here I'm in the main stream and there's the establishment. Muslims are actually the fringes in our community, which is why I say the things that I do, and I think a lot of times we got to figure out in every

community how we become the mainstream. And just back to the original conversation criticism, Like I'm not above critique, but that don't mean I have to agree with every critique me, right, I will listen to advice that you have but it may not it mean that I'm going to agree with the advice that you have. We have to figure out how to all live in spaces and understand that everybody

plays a different role. You may not like how I do, what I do or what and but don't take away from me that I also put a lot of work and thought into what I'm doing. That know that people are not all not everybody is smarter than we are, right, And I'm not saying that sometimes we won't take advice and be like, no, I see what you're talking about.

You're right, I'm gonna move forward. But a lot of times the there's a segment of of of of the movement, and sometimes people that are not even in the movement, who are critics without credentials, like you try to critique a direct action that I'm doing, Like you ain't never done a direct action. I said, you want to? You know, you're telling me all need to do this, but not to do that, or you need to do it. My son shouldn't be doing that. What have you done? And

what is the alternative? And a lot of times, if you're gonna come to any group of people or any movement space, show me your track record, show me what you got and show me where your expertise comes that you could tell me not to do this or not to say this kind of messaging. And in the Muslim American community, we had to get to a point where

who's going to be the mainstream boys, who's representative? And so, you know, even when it comes to a lot of the you know, controversy that I've been a part of, everybody else thinks it's a controversy. MI commity, don't think it's a controversy. My committee is like whatever she said, because that's important, and that's important, and I think all of us, you know, the in the movement right now, we've got to be the mainstream because what people try to do is they try to push you to one side.

So everybody, the Martin Luther King types are trying to grab the stokely Car Michael types, and the stokely Car Michael types want to take the Martin Luther King's folks and bring over here. Why don't you all just let everybody be and everybody do what you do the best

way that you can do it. And at the end of the day, when we all stay in our lane, stay in our roles and do the work we could be Malcolm, car Michael, everybody that's called me that like, because I believe all of their strategies combined is just gonna get us fruit. And and just like you said, like there has Like you said, I believe that our people have to have that same mentality like the things that the controversy, it can't be controversy to us. We

can't allow outside people to dictate what's wrong within our communities. Yeah. Also what my my saying doing something that I feel is right. If I really am, if this is like my life, I'm all about it and I want to get free, I'm gonna grab my brother mice to the side and be like, come over and lets you and me have a conversation so I could understand when where

you coming from. But what we do is we display our divisions and the cracks in the movement, and then the white supremacists know how to fit themselves right in and that's what they do well. The challenges to the other power brokers in the black community. They don't want to mainstream these things. They want they don't want radical ideas, thoughts and shrug is to be mainstream. What we actually want, And what they do is it's just a fetish. It's something I could lift up in a moment and then

reel back and quick. It doesn't compromise me. It's actually cool. But if it becomes mainstream, then you are no longer the power broker, and they don't want to compromise that position. So they're very careful the ways in which they engage radical thought. Radical thought is only something that they play with. It's a dessert, like it's not the entre. And what we're saying is we want this thing to be the

entree in black life. And that's where they're like, hold on, real that and that can't be what we're dealing because it compromises you because you're in the position because this other kind of passive ideology and approaches are made you and me. Angelo gotta go, You really got to go to ask this one question. How long are we going to be in Kentucky until we get just is that a real thing? Is that? Is that real? It has to be some Sometimes it's just like you just can't

have an attorney general. That's just like we're gonna see

what's happening. But what if they say just no, and it's five years later that we're still we listen to me already committed, You already committed to group families listen, but we already committed to To be clear, is that if I'm committed to a city and committed to a case, it doesn't mean I have to always physically live here, like us being able to travel here, build some infrastructure, which we have committed to doing here, making sure people have a space to organize so that when we come

we have a place to organize as well, and being able to maintain our relationships with local folks, make make sure that we are still you know, being ambassadors to their work and making sure that we're attracting resources to their work. That for me still means that I'm still

in community with you. So I'm always going to be in community with you until you get the results of what you've been working for, which is to get not really just justice for Brianna Taylor, because that is why we came, but I think once you get justice for Brianna Taylor, it sets a type of precedent in power for people to get other things. And I think it's a revolutionary the idea that you're going to use a tactic or strategy that isn't used often that you don't

see folks currently using. To me, that's what you have to do. You have to do something different to get new results. Because the results that we've gotten or as a result of what we've done, and it hasn't been far enough, it hasn't been what we're seeking. So I

think this is what you have to do. And I think you also have to show people first that I'm willing to sacrifice and do something others may not right because the idea that others will sacrifice without having seen sacrifice, it's just not going to And also like for for us, like I don't need anybody to say, oh we sacrificed or oh my god, how you know amazing or incredible we are. But the bottom line is we did. You know, no one who's from New York City is trying to

move to Louisville, Kentucky. You know that's not exactly the first priority choice of a place you'd want to move to. We all have kids, We left kids behind, we left elderly parents behind in a global pandemic. And and this is the moment where what we don't see often and I'm not saying we don't see that at all, because there are elements of our community that are sacrificing their careers, their lives and children, putting it all on the line. And the question is how do we get more of

those folks out in the streets. And you and I Angelo that mom got some places to because we have some direct actions to well, we appreciate these are the co founders of Until Freedom, Angelo Pinto, and then just started to make him out of my song until Freedom, Until Freedom, Freedom, Until Freedom Freedom. That was contemplating my thoughts of the but certainly my thought of today and

for this show. And when we talk about like black panther right thinking about Chadwick and just what it means to make it to a black panther, what I believe is necessary and I think you agree, is that we need a Sulma Alabama or Montgongery bus boycott moment, like we have to either get bloody or or or snatch people's pocketbooks. And I don't mean it in the robbing people since I mean because of course, but I do mean in a sense of like really hitting America in

his pocket. So it's one thing or the other I don't think that we can get where it is that we're trying to go in terms of what it looks like to truly be free by asking at this point, because I think we've done everything, you know, even in this debate about the n B a right and and how the NBA's strike, because they did strike for at least one day, how it could be or could not be impactful when people are like, well, if they stay and they continue to play, they can make and have

an impact just by being on the court. And it's like they had T shirts they have, they've been doing it and doing a damn good job. And I had a conversation with somebody today and I said, you know, they've been doing it right, and it's and it's just like what's happened in movement, right, we've been matching, and that's why a lot of people like you're marching does

nothing right. And I understood, and I started to realize what started to happen as we started to protest and the protests was making them uncomfortable because they didn't want to do the work and they didn't know what was happening. What they started to do is dictate how protest with right, they started to the city of the officials, the government, and then they started to say, you know what, we don't need to be uncomfortable. We just need to say, Okay,

we're gonna give you all the streets. You know, the man said, let them. Let them go out there. They have just as long as they're not violent, long as nothing's happening. And we give you the street, and we tell you where to march, and we tun of you and we watch you and you go home and you felt like you did something, but we still ain't changing nothing, right because we didn't. You didn't do anything that wanted us to do anything. You just marched. A bunch of

people came outside. We heard you, and we let you screaming. You know, we said that was cool, thank you, and we didn't do anything. Unfortunately, when they stopped being able to dictate how we protest, when we started to when she started to get broken, and how we started to get flooded and people couldn't move and they started to lose, you know, money and things like that, they started to be changed. And what happened with the NBA. But look

they started, okay, they're starting to be something. They made some laws that have got changed. This is true, not not signific not enough. And that's what I'm trying to explain to you. Like in the last couple of months of these protests, more laws and changes have been made that I've seen in the last seven or eight years.

That's well, at least, I'll say this, because when we say laws have actually been changed, I'm having a hard time, right, I'm having a hard time thinking of which laws specifically that have actually been changed are in effect in this moment.

What I know is that more has been introduced and more people, more legislators are having to sort of shift to the left, if you will, or to shift towards a more progressive, hard left position and saying that they will say, what we're talking about Brianna Taylor's law, Well, that's true, Brihanna's Brianna's law in Louisville. That's one place

they's talking about doing it. George Floyd's lawd right, But those have been introduced, those have been introduced, and they've been and people have saying we need to do these days. So the people are championing these laws and these bills. Prior to that, they were just like there was a conversation.

We regarden got choked in we protests for days, there was but there was nothing that really happened for five for five years, all we finally got was him after five years well, and then after right after that, some things, to your point, have been done. You talked about honest law and then I guess the chokehold bills across the country where everybody's trying to make sure that they've been chokehold. So these things are important. I'm not trying to take

it away. And I think you're right that we've seen more of a radical position from some of our elected officials since these movements have been happening. And by the way, um, you know, if you think about all of you know what we've been able to accomplish. I'm talking about as a people just in terms of the movements that we've had. It always has been based upon town is burning, people dying, um, and they're being an extreme, the movement being having factions

of it that were extreme. That's just the truth. I think some of us want to be at a place where we can actually have a protest and then there be changed and not have to get to the point where people have to be arrested. People have to give up their freedom, People have to you know, and fight those who want to burn down. But there has to

be a consequence. And that's what and that's what I'm trying to tell you, And that's what I was talking about the n b A. And when they sit down and they say, you know, we're gonna have a meeting and we're able to have Black Lives Matter on the floor, we have jerseys. Those things are beautiful, but what what what do these owners? What do the government plan to lose from these things? Those are things that can pacify you.

And I'm not saying and I understand what you're saying, but for me, it's like if I let you do that, right, if I'm saying, look, all I gotta do is let you with jerseys that say black Lives matter, and I lose a million dollars and you're gonna come to work every day and get billions of dollars from me. And that's all I'm gonna let you do is do that. And what does that take from me? Because right now the whole world is saying black lives matter, So you're

not doing anything that's revolutionary. Right now, everybody the most racist person got a Black Lives Matter saying something black lives because it's candy and they know they can't say it's not the most racist. Well listen to me. Well, the quiet racist, the quiet racist person is is openly saying, yeah, I'm in a Black Lives Matter movement, So what are

you doing to shift something? Because they well they they they try to fill a need and the need that in this moment people are not going to be able to vote properly, and being able to turn these stadiums in some of the stadiums across the country into locations polling locations where people can go to vote, that in

itself is a really significant deal maker. But that should have been alongside because Jacob Blake was the reason why people were mad right Milwaukee said they're not playing because they watched Jacob Blake is shot seven times in his back, and Lebron sent on TV and said, they could have tackled him, man, they could have grabbed him, they could have did all types of things. There's no way that you could tell me that they're supposed to shoot that man.

So he acknowledged that these people did a criminal act. So if none of your demands called for the criminals who shot that demand to be have some level accountability.

Then what did we do for Jacob Blake? What happened in Jacob Blake because we decided, So we decided that going to the polls to vote right where to vote, And honestly, people don't even know who they want to vote for people, and we know who we need to vote for, and we're gonna go do it because most of us have no choice or feel we don't, and some people really not. But the reality of the situation is,

how does that help Jacob Blake? Well, because I guess the whole point is that it started as in Milwaukee Bucks situation, but then it expanded to being beyond just him and lebron and others. Well, because the urgency was not a Jacob Blake urgency. Jacob Blake just became a straw that broke the camel's back. So people have been frustrated all over the country. And the question is, how does your your local demand become a part of a bigger movement and how did you impact change from a

larger perspective. And I think that from their perspective, the voting piece is super important because we know that it is definite. Until you I don't really see it. I don't really see it as important because I have not heard Biden said we need to defund the police. I haven't heard Biden say the ship that's going on, we need to all the way change. I have not heard him take this position on the way he's going to change.

The way that Jacob Blake died to wear some significance. Now, if you were telling me that we're about to get somebody, I know it's going to radically change the criminal justice system to a way that what happened to Jacob Blake would never happen again. Then I can almost see that to where it benefits. But nothing about voting is gonna help Jacob Blake. WHOA, I agree with that. I think that it's it's that people are upset with me because I said that if Obama, Um, well we talked about

this already. But if Obama, if his position was that Lebron and the should go back to work, and if that's part of the advice that he gave them, I think it's a pitiful piece of advitment too, because I don't understand how working before for the system. Who has an opportunity to change who these because listen, these owners a billionaires who lobby for these people who are getting voted in, who sit there and say, hey, we need to make sure we don't pay these amount of taxes.

We need to make sure this, so we're gonna donate to campaigns. So one of the donations they made the campaign should be like, yeah, need to put some police accountability, We need to change laws that make sure that these things don't happen. And if you're not calling out these owners to do that, then what are you going to play for? But all of these things are definitely connected, and I think that from the NBA player's perspective, their goal, like you know, they're trying to figure out which is

it's a It's a tricky thing. How do I maintain the camaraderie of our family, the group, how we came here doing what we love doing, what has helped many of these young men to be able to get out off the streets to take care of their families. How do we maintain that and still make demands at the

same time. My position is when people look at us and say, well, you know, why are we being divisive by calling out some of what we see happening, which I don't even think we're calling it out, because I certainly am I've said many time, but I have said many times that I'm not even I also, I definitely understand the challenge that these black men are facing in this moment. I've said that many times. But the thing is, I wasn't the one that said I was going I

wanted them to strike. I'm just trying to say, like, it wasn't us. It wasn't us that came up with the strike. They came up with the strike. So then we said, okay, good, this is another layer to our movement. Let's do it. And I and I and I and and and I think it's so important for us to know which people don't want to hear us say. But there's not been many things that we have gained just because we voted. The Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, UH,

the Housing Act, Fair Housing Act. None of them were one because we voted. They were one because there were strong movements on the ground, where the movements were so powerful that the leadership, the elected officials, and the powers that be had no choice no matter which party they were a part of. No matter what their ideologies were, no matter how racist they may have been, they had to shift because the economic structure was crumbling based upon the movement. And so I don't see. So I don't

I don't know how this will all work. But I have to say that President Obama is very clear because he knows the numbers and he knows the hashtags, he knows the names that although we voted for him, there are many people who we had hashtagged that died or were murdered under his presidency. That means that just voting is not enough. That's the best event where you can say we picked the best president most people feel we had and we still and I love Obama. I love

Obama like he's my second you listen. I love Obama. But when you become president, First of all, I think everyone, no one is above critique, no one is above critique. But when you become president of the United States, you move yourself into a category where people now have the

right to challenge your advice. Um. I don't think we should be in your personal business, because I never think that that's something that we should be doing, but certainly when it impacts the ways in which we as a society, as a society will continue to operate. I think we have the right to critique and not And they said, well, the fact that you use the word pitiful is disrespectful. Well guess what I didn't say, President Obama was pitiful.

This is one of the most incredible leaders we've ever had. But I will say that that advice becomes a part of a pitiful system of you know, let's try the same things over and over again with a little salt on it and see whether or not there's gonna be something different. And and you know what, my my whole position and is eventually they'll get no a little crazy until it started raining, and we're gonna come back to where we are no matter what. Um So listen, My

don't get it. It's really simple, you know. I just don't get while we still have to fight for Brianna Taylor to get cops arrested, like, I don't I don't forget. I just don't get. Almost six months later, a woman who was killed in a home shot. Why do black people stay killed killed? It's killed killed, she was killed, killed, killed, whatever you want to call it. Black people say the lady was killed, she was killed in a home, you know, and we're still fighting just to get somebody to be

held accountable. Man that we've had over just with our organizations that long, we've had over a hundred and fifty arrests, but they still haven't arrested cops that kill Briana Taylor. And I just don't get that for me, you know, It's it's a spit in the face when you talk about the democracy, when you talk about the justice system, when you're talking thinking what hundred and fifty people is he talking about? Is this man crazy? And then I begin to add up the numbers and you're right, yeah,

you know, and and it's it's sad for me. It's sad that fifty people have got arrested and these officers haven't been arrested. Maybe it's because we haven't been working on getting polling centers open, that's what it is, so the poland centers will get them arrested. I'm just saying we really need a different because I think we need all of the strategies because we're on the grounds they're supposed to be in those rooms and people gonna be like, yo,

I'm not. And that's what I think we should say. That's what That's what I think people are trying to say about Lebron and them let them go to work and use their platform from their base. What they keep saying the same thing. They've been saying that, and I love that they're saying it right, but maybe they can kneel, but they But the thing is kneeling doesn't even matter no more because the NFL saying it was wrong about happening.

They shouldn't let him kneel If they don't that what I'm trying to tell you all of this is performative. They will allow you to do anything that makes you look black right now, you can. The more black you are, the more they want to attach theirselves to you. Right now, every corporation wants to donate hundreds of millions of dollars to the Vielm who's the Black Lives Matter organization. I want to donate. I want to seem like I'm really

doing something. I want to give up this hundred millions so I can keep making this hundred billions, so I wouldn't. I want to be on the right side of these people, right But we understand that when you start to cut the economics, when athletes start saying we're not playing. Then the hundreds of billions of dollars start losing, and then they're like, Okay, something's going wrong. Drastic changes to be changed. It has to be people saying, you know what, I

know that I don't gotta. It's gonna take the top NBA players and the top NFL players to say, you know what, We're gonna pay everybody's bills for for about six seven months we were not going to work. We're saying we we opted out this this season. We're gonna strike until we actually get substantiardi change, until we see something that to change, you know, and and when you do that, then you'll see your power. I think we don't exercise our power so much that we don't even

realize we have. You know, it's like everybody. It's like the people that that work in the building think that they work for the boss with the boss knows the minute y'all stopped working, I ain't got enohing. It's like a system. It's like you you want to tell you how because we started doing you know, the little um what was it, the the sux suit thing was doing and this is how life is. No I wasn't doing no soon soon. I don't know what people wanted about. Yeah,

I never agreed that we didn't. But when they we started talking about as you started realizing it works is when you participate and admitted that somebody stops, it stops, and you don't even realize that. People think the system only works when people participate in. The machine only moves when all the pieces of movement and we inside this machine and we think that it's gonna work without us, and we're scared to get over. That's what somebody said

on my page. They'll just come up with another NBA now. They won't ever get It's impossible because once you take, once you take the air out of it, it would never have the same value until it actually reckons with the initial reason why the greatest stars walked away from it. But I don't think we're there yet. I think I still have and I don't think that we just as we take radical and I thought, but we understand what it's gonna take to really make change. So I just

don't get it. Man, Well, drastic change requires drastic measures. Yes, Well, once again we had another dope episode of street Politicians. We have something comment though, it's coming like a larger platform for street politicians, a different platform that people are gonna be hearing about soon. But we wanted to while we're in Louisville and make sure that we do an episode just to talk about a lot of things. I feel like there's still so much more we can talk about.

And what does we have a new initiative? Oh so definitely because during Brianna Con is so important that we make sure to tell people that during Brianna Con. One of the things that we gave away for free, for

free entrepreneurs free free, because we didn't get anything. An entrepreneurship program that people can sign up for where they can get a lot of tips and tools for becoming an entrepreneur and and really engaging, how to become how to start your your corporations, everything, how to get your

relationships established with other individuals in your industry. And so we gave away enough of the programs, uh to make up I think like at one point three million dollars in giveaways and people have signed up a lot of local Louisville folks who understand gentrification. There's a lot happening, as you said, with poverty and other issues which is

the same in every black community we travel to across America. UM, but here, uh, you know a lot of people are looking for like what's next, and I think the entrepreneurship program is so powerful. So if people still want to know about it, you can DM Street Politicians at Street Politicians Pod at Street Politicians Pod and we'll get to see your information in there. It was a great episode, great, great, awesome episode. Once again, you know, we can't do this

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