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say that you have a very loud you project yourself. Okay, So basically I got a big mouth. That's cool. You said that, not me, I said you project Yeah, whatever, you got a big mouth. Uh. Let's see what's going

on in the world. Let me tell you something. You know, something happened other day and it really got me to understanding how much our privacy is being invaded in our in this society, and just how careful people have to be because, um, when returning to New York from Porsche's wedding, I found this this It was like a lot of traffic. If you ever been to the Atlanta UH Airport, especially the Delta terminal. Um, you know how crazy it is to be able to when it's apt whenever there is traffic,

especially after a holiday week. Um, you know, people it is very difficult to get on the ramp for departures, and so a lot of times, uh, some of the drivers will go downstairs. Uh and then you know, you kind of go through and go upstairs through the escalators and what have you. It's a little trick, but uh, just so happens that there's a new t s a pre check express area. So it's like an exclusive room that if you have t estate pre check, you go there and you can uh you know, go quick through

the process and they check your bag downstairs. It's it's really got. It has to be fairly new because we go to Atlanta all the time. No one has ever even mentioned it space to me. But the crazy thing is that when you go inside of the room, you walk up to some machines, and at least with like the clear machines, you gotta let get your face and your eyes right in front of the thing, and it tells you that they can't find you several times because you need your eyes to be correctly like in the

square in the box. But this thing, it's a big old camera somehow, and it just scans your face and all your information pops up and you check your bag right there. You don't gotta do nothing, you don't gotta scan eyes, you don't do anything, or you just do is walk in, you stand there and it's scans your face. It captures you just standing there and all your information

comes up. And I'm like, that's got to be the same type of technology, facial recognition that is really becoming a thing all over the world, but certainly even in the US it's becoming a thing. Like on American streets it's you. You you can't do anything with these people where they don't see you. And I've been saying that for a long time, and that just proves my point, you know, when you're telling but I'm like, you're going to people going to jail. Man, Like, I don't know

what people think is going on in these streets. I don't know. If you I tell people all time crime is over. If you think you're gonna commit a crime, especially in New York City in America period, you're not getting away with it. They got they got temperature scans, they got facial resignition scans, they got retina scans, they got um computing. Now they're sitting out what they said, Now they're sitting out, Oh, robots that can shoot like it's we just in a time where you have to

be very savvy, very intelligent. You have to have a lot of discernment, and you gotta make very wise decisions. You gotta watch every movie you make, because they're watching every move you make, you know, So I don't know, man, that's that's a very scary thing that you just walk into a place and this ship you ain't gonna position your face no way of anything, and from any angle this machine is able to capture you and and bring

up your whole history. That's crazy. That is I mean, And I think I'm not explaining it properly because it's like, okay, so you know it recognized your face, but it's not you don't even have to, like you didn't know. It's from any angle you walk in and the ship just immediately scanned and realizes you from the side. You wasn't inside the camera. You didn't have to look, you didn't have to be stationary, you were just mere moving. Initial is coach and even a picture where they showed it.

It was like sideways. That's crazy though, like I'm I'm blown away by I I mean I just seeing that, I was like wow, like our privacy is really being invaded. And but the crazy thing is like they got all this technology and can't find none of the people that kill people or or or uh not none of them

because some people have been apprehended. But a lot of times that's happening because the community is doing its own police work by telling where what they think is had you know, what happened to an individual or some reason, um sanction I tell you all the time. A lot of it is is state sanction violence. And people are

getting away because they want them to get away. Yeah, And and all of the missing people and the and the people who have been sex traffic they don't have no they don't have no information or none of that. But I tell you what they do know is how to keep your information and your your your and and and and and basically be able to keep you on record for whatever the American government's pleasure. Maybe it's just very strange, but anyways, And the bottom line is, as

you said, crime does not pay. And speaking of crime and how it doesn't pay. It's like it's such a conflicting issue because on one hand, it's like, hey, you know, we are out here telling people crime doesn't pay, but we also have to recognize the realities of how uh you know, the moment that we're in, especially when it

comes to the holiday season, creates desperation. And so now that I saw that door Dash has laid off and fifty employees, and then all types of other companies from Amazon, we know Meta Um has laid off a bunch of people. They've been talking about laying off like a lot of people. Uh Twitter, we see all the crazy stuff that's going on with Twitter, people walking out, you know, people being laid off. Then you have HP, which I think that HP is Hewlett Packard still but they may be rebranded

to just HP Lift. So these are all companies that have laid off individuals, and you know, again especially during the holiday time. And I'm just trying to figure out so many of these corporations were able to get the p p P and the bailouts and everything during COVID and D you know, during the pandemic. How is it that you do all of that and still lay off the employees. And then the folks ain't got no job. And then we over here telling them crime don't pay.

You know what I'm saying, because crowd could obviously the job don't pay either. So that's how people saying, Man, the job ain't paying because the job is cutting us off, so we ain't getting paid. So the only job we got his crime. So we we gotta figure this out. This this economy, just the way that things are going. And it brings me to something I was looking at. Um. It's this lawyer that I watched. He does like little

hip hop lawyer. He always explains like little things. I forgot his name, but he was talking about Nike and Adidas and how they they're they're cutting off, they're cutting the stopping their distribution by thirty and he was talking about how China and Russia ain't buying them air products no more and it's actually going down. So that that feeds to my boycott Nike. You know what I'm saying. People are all Nike gonna know, they need they need us now more than ever. So that's what I'm trying

to say. I were consistent about what we do with our money, and consistent about making people respect us. Then the leverage that we can have, you know, then we can we start and if we start just focusing on black owned organizations and companies and brands anyway, then we

can empower and we can employ our own people. You understand I'm saying during these seasons, if we own businesses, if we own corporations, we can make sure that because most of the marginalized and people who are gonna suffer in these times being cut off or people from our communities, so we never employ our our own people instead of you know, letting these brands do and say and and treat us anyway they want to. So I hope that gives that's like a lesson to some of y'all. Man,

don't be scared, fight sometimes. Don't be scared fights sometimes, but fight with accurate information. You know, I'll tell you in my thought of the day. We've been talking a lot lately, I said last week on the show, and it actually was one of the first clips that was put out. Um, you know about about our show from

last week. Shout out to our brother to Bet, who is one of the senior Yeah, he one of the senior strategist for Steve Harvey and you know, we were talking about how dangerous the internet is, and an example of that happened like right after the interview. Has been going on for the last few days. You know, first of all, at the point that we're taping this, UM,

you know, this information is up to date. But by the time the show airs, is very possible uh that things have changed, and we'll make sure to report on it. At that time. However, I watched some a blog put out some information UM about Schankula Robinson, an update to the situation with her and getting justice for Shanquala, and they said that that the first thing that went out which was verified and true, that there was a arrest waarrant uh now active for one of the individuals involved

in the direct attack. Now we all assume that it is uh the woman Dejane. However, we don't know that because that's not what the FBI stated. They did not put that information out, and they also did not tell the Robinson family at least. I spoke to shan Quala's mother and sister about this, and they did not hear directly from the FBI who the arrest saarant is for UM, but they did receive information that there was in a restaurant and also at the extradition process, UM was attached

to the warrant. Then I saw a blog post that UM, you know, she was arrested and her family has had not has not heard that at this point, her family has not heard from the FDR. Now, it could be two problems. One, I think the Internet they want clicks and lights so much that people there are some people I used to say, well, it's not intentional, it might have been a mistake, and now I'm starting to think, nah,

it's actually very intentional. There are people who report things that's untrue on purpose so that they could draw folks to their pages and you know, and get get more followers. So one, you know, I'm not about to give them because you didn't verify, you can't verify it. I got a call from one of the major blogs asking me, Hey, I'm you know, I want to report on this story, but I'm looking up the woman's name in the system.

I'm trying to find her. You know, we're doing the checks and balances that we have and there's no one literally and and also the FBI were calls to them. No one is confirming that this person has been arrested, which would align with the fact that the FBI never called her mom to tell her that, um that the person has been arrested. So that tells me that people just put anything on the internet and we all that includes me, It certainly includes you because you know I'm

always beating up on you. But we have to be real careful about information we share that we see, even when we see it on someone's page that we actually you know that we know and trust. Because this morning it was on the Ricky Smiley Show, they put out that the young lady was arrested and and that's actually not true. Yeah, that we know of I think, I think what it happens is a lot of people and

and we're all guilty of it. Right when when you find something that supports the narrative that you want, or something that feeds into energy that you actually wanted, you want to believe, you want something to support your own theory, right, your own ideology and your own feeling. Like people want this girl to be arrested, So soon it's anywhere that gets posted, people gonna be like yes, because they want that that's actually what they want. Even when when you

see and I tell people that all the time. When you when you put the post up negative about somebody, that's because you just want to believe that because you didn't do any research. You didn't search, you didn't because it's easy to dispel myths, right, So I think that's what happens. A lot of us post things to support our own feelings, our own emotions, our own theories, you know, and and sometimes we don't check them because we already in our mind believe it's true anyway. So we just

feel like somebody just confirmed what we already know. When you know, on all actuality, especially when you have huge platforms and you have people who follow you for information and they believe that the information you give is accurate, you have to do to due diligence. You have to do the research. Because I've seen you. As soon as you see that post, you wanted to post it. But

he was like, well, I ain't see this nowhere. Let me let me start looking around, let me make some cool let me call you know what I'm saying, because you understand that you have a responsibility. You understand that people actually believe what you say. So if you want to remain credible, you know what I'm saying, you have to do the work to remain credible. So all these sites, man, you ain't got to rush to be first. Sometimes if you last, and you gotta right and you get the

story right exactly like getting the story right. It's so helpful and the families and other people will come to you with exclusive information when they see that you have integrity in terms of what you posted. And I got into it on a blog and it's the same blog, well I don't think so. In fact, it was in And I don't know why I'm even calling these pages blogs because we need to get that straight to blogs.

Some blogs, many blogs are actually reputable sources that do try their best to you know, look into the story ease and put out accurate information. So when I say blogs, I need to be very very careful with that. Some of them is just pages, just uh Instagram page where

somebody is talking running names. They call a blog. Now mostly I'm telling you these people who have give their themselves names and titles, and all they do is got a YouTube page that anybody could get or Instagram page and they call it a blog and then they get enough people to follow and believe it. That's that's what it's turned into. It's no, there's no fact check, there's no credibility, there's no resonme. People don't even know who you are. But they followed you, and you said a

couple of words that resonated. Wouldn't want to twice and now you would come to their source of information. So well, yeah, and and and so on this particular thing, they were still they were running the narrative that dejan Ay, which which is believed to be the woman who was attacking

chicuag chant Quala, that she is a trans woman. So that narrative started somewhere and as soon as I saw it, because I wanted to be you know, very I wanted to make sure that if it's true, you know, and and it it's true, it's true, it is what it is. It's being stated of just nothing anyone could do about it because if it's true, it's true. But if it is not true, we do not need to um, you know, increase or let me not say increase, but exploit a

narrative that can be dangerous for anybody. So for instance, it's not good for uh, someone to say, oh, there was a robbery downtown uh and and I bet you was black people that did it, right or a black man that did it. We don't want to do that because we know what those types of narratives, what it does to our community, what it does to any particular community. I don't even want to say, oh, I bet you a white a white man. Uh, you know it did

X y Z thing. We all have those biases that exist within us, but we have to be really careful about that. So when people start saying, oh, what it was a transperson, I'm like, let me call and check and you know, and and found out about this, And of course I called and spoke to she han't quillas sister. She and Quila not wonderfol she ain't quill us so bad because her sister's name is Quila, um uh to Quila. So I called her and I'm asking her, you know, hey,

this is what I've heard. Can you confirm to you know? And she said, I don't believe that that's true. She said, we saw it online as well, but they actually met the woman. Uh and you know they you know know, several friends and people around and they said that they don't believe that that is true. So I got tagged on a video where someone is like, oh, you know, Tamika Mallory's not gonna say anything about this. I bet you she's too scared to speak on this issue. And

I'm like, what are you? Like? What? I well, I don't even understand what that means and why people are so ignorant. So I and and they'd love to go back and forth with me and tell me, you know all the reasons why I'm wrong. So I asked, Hey, this person, because this is a person commenting on a page which they probably call themselves a blog, I asked, you know, do you know that this person that posted this do you know them? And do you know for sure that they are in touch with uh dejaney or

someone connected to her that has confirmed this information? How do they know? Did they get it from the internet? Have you questioned them about why they're posting this type of the information? And I said, and why would you think that? As a person who has a I'm trying my best to have an authentic brand and authentic voice. Although I'm not perfect, but I try. If I put out inaccurate information like what does that say about me that I wouldn't need? They go I'm gonna target a

community that's already dealing with. I hold, you know a lot of things, and and and being marginalized, and I'm gonna go target that community because the Internet says something, and not because I know for sure that this information that's being put out there is truth. Why would I do that? And you know what crickets I've heard because people can't. They just people just want to find a reason to find fault. Right. People say, oh, you won't speak on that. We get that all the time. You're

gonna be quiet on this. You you you pick and choose. You're did right now, pick and choose. I pick and choose the issues that I believe in. Right. I can't fight on the issue or talk about something first of all, that I'm either not knowledgeable of or I don't have any real energy for some ship. It doesn't it doesn't like I see it, and I'm like, damn, okay, but I don't. That's not my forte. Certain things that go

on in the world that even affect black people. There's certain things that I'm not that knowledgeable of, so I don't speak on them. I might say that I think it's wrong, but when I'm adamant about something, it's because I'm learned in it, I've studied it, our understand the dynamics of it. I believe it to be more than likely accurate, not ninety nine point nine percent accurate about things that I speak up. And I come from a perspective where I have some level of understanding or expertise

in the field that I speak on. So those are the things that I like to speak on. You. So when they say you pick at you or I bet you won't say no, why don't you say? But obviously you feel very strongly about the issue. You seem knowledgeable, you seem like you know some things. You've got a lot of energy. So that's why that's why we all do our part in this world. We do especially in this movement, so we have different you know, everybody has

a different entry point of movement. You believe in these things. You you are adamant about this. You want to hear those things talk about, So go talk about it. Don't come at my d m s trying to pressure me and force me and bully me into talking about ship that you want to talk about. That's why you gotta page,

you gotta voide. You got all the right in the world to speak on things that you want to talk about, just like I have all the right not to speak on the things that I don't want to talk about. So if you'll understand that, then the world will be a better place. Man, go to your own page. I don't care how many followers you or tell them why you're mad, tell them that you want to get off your chest, tell when people should be doing, and you

build your own following. That's where, yeah, it's not it's not that one side of it you said that's a hundred percent right, is that it may not be something that we understand. Clearly, we may not. You know, sometimes things miss you. You You don't even know what happened, or if you do know, you're trying to figure out the different pieces and understand it, or maybe you don't have time to do that. But here's what I will say. We nobody is capable of getting on every issue all

the time. That is a failed it's a failed strategy. You actually have to stick with the things you think you can actually impact, even when there's other things that's aligned. You have to stick with what it is that you know you can impact. You know, I think right now

the issue of Valenciaga. That's a big issue and a big concern of course, anything now that we're learning more like I didn't know anything about the history of the designer and all of that, which I'm sure that's the case with a whole bunch of uh, you know, issues and brands and not just brand. Should we eat, places we work, the people we work for, uh, you know people we've been in relationship too, and with like there's

a you know a lot with that. But um, but you know, but I see a lot of people talking about the issue around Valenciaga, and I think that's an important issue for me. I got one sweater, a pair of leggings and two sneakers. It's not that serious, like you know, I don't care, but I and that is because it wasn't. I was never into Valenciaga. So for me to can't Valenciaga is with them? How am I

canceling them? I don't mean I don't. I don't have so when I when I when I said, you don't have nothing, I got one Valencia and one you know what I'm saying. So it ain't but I met you what you do have and what I know I have his hundreds. You got thousands, so I don't know. Maybe you don't have thousands now, but I have hundreds of Nikes exactly. So that's what impacted me. It really impacted me because I'm like, damn, I really this is something that I supported, and I know that my voice can

be hurt. And I know that the community that I come from we all supported. So I know that me shifting attempting to shift the consciousness or what's going on in NIKEE with the brand and with you know, the co founder and how they they view us. I know it's impactful. Me just coming with my one little Valenciaga shirt saying this and that it ain't it ain't as impactful as somebody who would like the guy, you know,

shout out to health cat. I'm the health cat. He burnt this Balenciaga people was mad at him, and he said, I don't I don't think it's valuable enough to give to nobody, And that was my my position. I don't want to see nobody with Nikes on, so I'm like giving it to nobody I would care to home. I don't want to get I can give homeless people, and you know I can give them other clothes. I've got all types of other clothes. I've been doing it in I give to the good Will every year. I give

bags of clothes to people in need. But I did, I don't. That's not what I wanted to do with Nike. I wanted to completely um eradicate and get them out of our culture. That's my that's my intention. Well it happened, who knows, but I know that's my goal. I don't want to see it. I don't want to give it to another person. I don't want them wearing it and somebody else seeing it and be oh, I like that. Let me. I wouldn't want to buy that where that

comes from? I know that's not what I don't want to be do anything to help the advertisemental promotion of it. You know, so everybody got a different, different mind state. You know. Hopefully I'll find a way to get in the game, which you can't, you know, speaking of people using their platforms and people getting into it. You know, we have a guest coming on today that is no stranger to not just three politicians, but to our lives. Everybody know that we are super close um to our brother,

the Reverend Mark Thompson. And and you know, we said we have to bring Mark on to help us get talked through some of some of these things that's happening in some history. That's our history. That's the historian um among until Freedom and Until Freedom family. And of course I can't make sure we shout out our brother, Attorney Angelo Pinto, because he's the other historian um. And so

let's bring Rev. Mark Thompson on. Let's talk about when we say everybody has to use their platform, because not everybody's using it for the right things in my opinion all the time. UM. And I think Mark can help us to sort of examine what's been happening in the media. So Mark, welcome back to Street Politicians. I'm happy to be here, always a pleasure to be here, and I'm thankful for all the work that you all continue to do and the way you use your platform here on

Street Politicians. So first of all, Mark, you know, I want to get your thoughts on this whole Jerry Jones, the picture and the whole you know, controversy. It's not really controversial to me because it was there, he was there, So I just want to get how how do you see it? I think it speaks to the history and legacy of a lot of people in positions of influence and power and where they came from. That is the

history of this country. It was almost impossible to avoid and you would have had to have been an exceptional um person to have not participated in that and and stood up against them. We know there are very few people who did at that time. There are very few people who stood with us at our moments of struggle, very few white people who stood with Dr King and so I was see Jerry Jones is one of them. I think that there are two things. One, it requires us once again to just examine who and where we

are in the context of everything. Here's someone who owns a team and owns everything about the team, including the majority of athletes that are on that team. All right, and you know, the issue still becomes, why are we se of the players on these NFL teams and own nothing, own no team? What's so few coaches, no owners whatsoever. That says a lot, and we ought to lift that up in every opportunity we have when these types of

things come up. Why is Jerry Jones still an owner and none of us our owns why can't we be Why can't we own one team? First of all? Second of all, I do want to commend Lebron because Lebron is not an activist. But to your point to Mikau, he is using his platform now and I want to commend him because I think it takes a lot of courage for him to take the take he took asking the question. But why y'all asked me about the situation with Kyrie and not ask me about Jerry Jones? Why

is everybody quiet about that? And he's he articulately said, when it comes to other people's uh struggles and oppression and discrimination, that's paramount. But when it comes to hours, it's knocked down. It's low on the total pope. So so why people, why isn't Jerry Jones being canceled? M and and and and why once again do black people get canceled when it comes to other people's oppressure? When we don't oppress anybody, I don't be very clear by that.

We don't have a power to oppress anybody. Even if people say things it may seem insensitive or if anything, sometimes people say things that are terribly uninformed, but that's not oppression. That's not keeping a whole another group of people down. We are kept down always all times and continue to be kept down. Remember, Jerry Jones was one of the people who was against the taking of the knee and all of that. He still came out against

that first and foremost. So you know, for that to just kind of be okay, this is just what is just something happened. It's just kind of matter of fact when it comes to our struggle and our oppression, and that happened right here in this country. Yea, within these borders, on this soil, what not even sixty years ago? M hm hm. Well, you know, I know we want to talk about Stephen A. Smith's comments because he used you know,

his platform as well. And you know, I have my days with Stephen A. Smith, and you know, I used to really really think that I just used to feel different about him, and then over the years I began to watch him make statements that I feel like, like he he apologizes for white folks to me too much, and then sometimes you know, he's extremely harsh on black folks, which I get the fact that we have to challenge

our own. You can't be a commentator where you don't ever have something to say about things that black folks do that ain't right, just like any other community. However, it just feels to me like, you know, I don't know why we need to either apologize and or let's say apology. Apologists might be going too far. But why do we have to uh defend older white men above seventy years old who happened to be standing in a

place that represents the torture of our communities. I believe Mark Thompson that if there was a picture of you, me and my son, any one of us standing in a in a space where any other community, any other community, whether we be the Jewish community, the gay community, any other community, if we were standing there while uh torture that is aligned with our enslavement and oppression, if that was happening, or with that group's um you know, uh

enslavement and and and and oppression if that was if that happened, I don't think we would ever be able to live it down. I mean, that's my opinion. What do you think. You're absolutely right, and we've seen examples of that. I mean, if we're in anywhere in proximity to a situation where someone else is is being mistreated

or oppressed. We we are held account before it. As far as Stephen A. Smith is concerned, Um, I know Stephen Um in spite of something his Steven, Stephen has always going out of his way, uh to express a profound amount of respect for me. But I take that to mean this Steven knows where he is. And I think Stephen realizes the cost of him speaking the way we speak, and I think he just chooses not to

do it. But that's but that's right there. It's my issue long because you could choose not to do it, but you can't choose not to do it and then attack young black kids all day long. That like, that's that's an issue for me. I'm good that you're not going to speak against the white people. Good. You gotta keep your job because he's made statements that every day this is what this was. He said, every day, I wake up and figure out how to make my boss

more money. That's his mind state. That's what he said, that came out of his mouth. So I get that that's your job, but everybody don't have that same job, right. A lot of these young black kids, you know, they come into this league, they come from marginalized communities. They don't come you know, they come from community, come from poverty. But there's they're they're still grounded in their black history and he's trying to figure certain things out. They're still

black and proud. And because they come into the industry and that is not that doesn't celebrate being black and proud. They're being they got They hit from all angles all the time every time they do something that shows that they're too black. So we don't need our own black people to to to lash out of them. At the same time, you know, we know that you can't sometimes you can't say all the time what's going on, Like, we understand that, but you we just don't need you

to pile on. If you can't help us, just don't hurt us. Man. That's that's my problem, my problem. No, you know, I agree, I agree with all of that. Um. This media industry, though, is contracting so much. Everybody is afraid. That's why so many of those people piled on against Kyrie. They were trying to keep that even when it was necessary. Oh yeah, Mansa, I don't I'm not for that. Um,

that's what that's what people do. Um. The difference between those and the three of us and many who are listening right now is that we're free and and freedom is a beautiful thing and we're willing to pay with every price there is to pay h to be free. And I think people know what even young people you're talking about when you can't young people. And you're right, Tomka, Your evolution in terms of how you look at Stephen is the same for a lot of people. You know,

step like Stephen. But then as you hear more than women, now, you know, brother, we need you because you are using this platform. We need you to take a stand. We need to do some but he'll do things like for example, uh, this week when a reaction to lebron statements on Jerry Jones, he had Rolling on his show, so and he talked about all I'm so glad Rolling is here, and I saw what that was. Stephen doesn't feel like he can

say certain things, so he brings Rolling on it. That's fine, But still I think at the end of the day, you know, we all want to look in the mirror. I think the three of us we have a different calling. We we you, we face each other in the mirror every day, don't we we in the morning. Mice you look in the mirror, and you gotta live with mice. Jamka you got to live with Jamika. I got to live with Mark. We can't live with ourselves if we're not looking at the people in the middle who we are.

That's just how we made Yeah, and that's a blessing. And and I think Mark, for me, my son, gave one aspect like if you go, you know, if you're not going to say or be as radical if you will, as we are on race and those issues, but you can take the time to attack and and critique. Let's say critique, because the word attack, if you know that, that triggers people. So let's say critique. If you can do that, then you at least can just be quiet

about Jerry Jones. You understand I'm saying. Nobody's even looking for Stephen A. Smith too. We wanted to let me tell you the Jerry Jones situation was fourteen years ago. We're not stupid, we get it. It was Oh no, I'm excuse me. I'm sorry. It was when he was fourteen years old. We all when we were fourteen have things in our beat. I mean, I know, I never stood anywhere and watched, you know, the torture of another community.

But nonetheless, we all, when with fourteen have things that we're not proud of, we can all reconcile that absolutely right. The issue is that I don't need to go running around trying to explain on behalf of a white man

who happened. He should be the only one explaining. The only person we need to hear from is Jerry Jones about why he was there and his uh denouncing racism and supporting the players that are with on on his team and in the NFL whose life experience is that of which happened to those black people in that picture. That's the only thing we need. We do not need to hear from one black person that feels the need to explain on Jerry jones behalf. We don't need that

wasn't there sixty six years. You don't know nothing about it. Don't tell us about something that you you you don't have any information to give us. You're giving us your opinion that's based off a bias situation, because the only proximity you're able to see Jerry is to proximity that he wants you to see him. Right, You never see you. Never you, especially as a black man, You've never been in the room with him and a bunch of white

racist people to hear him defend no black people. You don't know none of these things, so you can't even give us a good point of view that that contributes to this situation in general. We're asking you how he is that when you go to the games. Of course he's gonna do that's where the people make them players on the team. What are you gonna do that he ain't gonna say, Yo, I'm racist. I don't get talk

about that. That's never gonna be. So when you don't have a perspective that can help us to dissect this situation. So just be and before you go, Mark, because I want you to be had the last word on this issue. I think my song what you just said is true. You don't know you. You might know him, but we none of us know people behind closed doors when they

are in their element right. And I'm tell you, there was someone tweeted and you know I I dare open Twitter ever in my life, but it just so happened that I was tagged to something and I opened it and it was a picture of teenagers standing around watching an actual lynching, and the title of it said, these were fourteen year olds too, right, So fourteen year olds at that time stood around and watched a lot of things.

The only question a black man could to me, or black person should be asking, is what has Jerry Jones done from then until now to prove his allegiance to the black community outside of people being employees that have helped to make him rich. What has he done? That's the only thing I think I don't So that's my issue with Stephen A. Smith. I'm not looking for him to be a radical activist. I don't need him to be Mark Thompson. I don't need him to be Dr King.

I just need to know why is it that you feel so comfortable trying to explain for for a community that they need to be the only ones explaining for themselves. Yeah. I agree with all of that, and I think we should not uh discount the possibility that he may have been asked or ordered to do that one. And we gotta look at that when people want to step in the line of five put their bodies in between the white folks, we would hold accountable. The other thing too.

Let's just say how real it is about him possibly being asked to do that. Even if he wasn't asked, he he heard it in his head. Um, if people have noticed this in the past decade at least, sports coverage has changed, and because of the contracting sports journalism and media industry. There used to be a time, um when we were younger, when sports media personalities and sports coverage was more critical of owners teams. You know, even if a team wasn't doing well, you heard sports commentators

put that out there. In a contracting industry where teams and leagues on their own media, everybody wants to be sure they keep a job, so nobody wants to criticize anybody. So you look at Steve the Smith, howf and just he'll criticize a black athlete before he'll criticize the team or an owner. And he's not alone in that, because if ESPN goes south on him, he needs to be able to get a job on a New Jersey nets network, which is yes here in New York, or get a

job with the NFL television network. You follow what I'm saying. So, so that is another practical reality when it comes to some of these people so right, we shouldn't even be looking to sports media folk any longer to set a precedent or stick their next out for us, because they're not doing it any longer in terms of objective critique when it comes to these teams. Uh, a matter of fact,

I'll say there's not be done. The only commentator who was always consistent about Mice criticizing the NFL's lack of guaranteed contracts was one person that was Bryan Gumble. If you not, there's no one sports that Stephen Steven Simpson. They don't say none of that stuff because they want to be sure they still have a job. And so yes, Jerry Jones, he's going to defend him. And like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to last thing.

I said his last name. And I don't say this too. Y'all. Never see me in no cowboy head. You will never see me in a cowboy head. That itself is a symbol of oppression in this country, because that cowboy had similar symbolizes the trail of tears, the assault on our indigenous people and the assault on our people. So you and that's just that to me, is a cultural symbols, not something to be wearing on their here. So when I saw Stephen with that cowboy had I see it

right there? And you know what the brother is, He's in the place I'm not in. I want to ask the questions about. So we were watching the movie too, right, which is very very motional movie. Mom, have you seen it? A very emotional movie. It's hard wrenching, It's really graphic

and emotional. And I was wondering, you know, we we we talked about this, and and not to any way make light of the situation or say anyone isn't guilty of anything or they are whatever, But the reality situation is we were looking and the women who lied on

in the till right. I was told that she's still alive now and no one has pressed charges on knowing that that she she she lied, you know, knowing that she on perjured herself, knowing that she got you know, she pretty much aided and embedded in the murder of this year four t o kids. And there we go, fourteen, back to that age again, for this is what happens to our fourt yard, you know. And they were like, she's too old to stay in trial and she's too

old to be arrested, so nobody pursued it. And and I and I bring up Bill Cosby. Now I don't know the situation, but he was found guilty or whatever what happened to those women. I'm not speaking on that. I'm speaking on the fact that these cases were forty seven years old. This was eighty almost ninety old man who had elements, who was very, very sick, could barely see all of these things, and nobody cared about his

health when they were prosecuting. Right, So I want to understand why do why do you think there's this double standard or why do you think people care about her age?

We didn't care about his age. And I want to just jump in before you say that and just reiterate, because you know, there are people who will really try to take that statement out of context and make it that we are saying that Bill Cosby should not have been arrested, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the statement that we're What we're talking about, what we're saying is looking at age, just simply age, right, an accountability. Bill Cosby has been held accountable for the claims of

these women against him at his age. What we're saying, is why is it that this um uh, that this woman has not been held accountable for in Mattil the same way. That's it. That's the simple question. So that anybody who's listening don't come to us talking about, oh, we don't think Bill Cosby should have went to jail. Bill Cosby has been held accountable for the women who have made claims against him, and we want to know why is that not the same for for what happened

to uh ms Brian. There's no logical explanation for that. But but but let me if you don't man, let me take it a step further. For those who would accuse us of defending Cosby, Cosby is like Kanye, because remember we've articulated folks got mad about what Kanye said. There was anti semitic, But we were done with Kanye when he says slavery was a choice, and when he put on the White Lives Matter shirt. Everybody else is quite about that same thing was Bill before Bill was exposed

by the Me Too movement. We were done with him on the pound cake speech, right, So we don't have to wait for other people to raise their concerns before we hold our own folks accountable and what he said in that speech. While I was there, Dick Gregory was there, we were done with him then when he talked about all the negative things about black people and the pants hanging and all the disparaging comments. So folks, you know, we didn't have to wait on the me too story

to be done the bill. Some of y'all relate to the party on that. Yes, he's been held accountable. There is no logical explanation as to why Carol and Bryan Doneham has not been held accountable for her for her actions and probably um the most heinous lynching because it was so well publicized because it was so graphic and people, you know, some people I don't want to go see

any more these movies. No, no, you need to go see this movie, because that's what made me Tell wanted She wanted people to see the remains of her son. If people had not seen his his mutilated remains, August Em Mattell was lynched. We're in the month of December now, uh this year. Aug Montgomery bus boycott was December one, five. M Matill's death and his brutalization is what sparked the modern civil rights movie and people decided right then there,

we're not going to allow this anymore. Um, black women walked to work war holes in the soles of their shoes, walking to work in montgovernment for a year. I don't know if we could do that today. Right now, I have that discipline the boycott and walked to work every day for a whole year until there was desrogation on the buses in Montgomery. No, she does need to be

held accountable. And to be even more specific about it, Um, there was some evidence recently uncovered that there was a warrant for her arrest and the warrant was never executed. So even the myth that she was never seriously considered and they never had any evidence. Even back then, the white folks in Mississippi, the prosecuting Mississippi, issued a warrant for Caroline's arrest. That warrant needs to be executed. And I think there's a black prosecuted down and sometimes we

are own worst enemy. There's a black prosecuted down there that needs to execute it. Uh. In fact, he's in one of our in the fraternity. I know some brothers in were trying to reach them to get them to get him to do it. But but no, there is no excuse. And some people saying where she's old, so what, she should still be held accountable even if she don't go to prison. All right, you wanna put in prison, charge her, arrest her, execute that warrant from nine, hold

her accountable. She said to a journalist a few years ago that that Emma didn't do anything. She's pretty much admitted to identifying him. She is an accomplice in his desk. Yes, absolutely, this is this is something you know. Reparation isn't just about money or about land. It's also about healing and and and fixing certain wrongs, healing, dealing with trauma and there there's not an experience really in this century, a singular incident there was more traumatic than the death of

Emma too. M that's the that's the real well Mark. We would love to talk to you all day, but we got a tight ship today. Man, We got a tight show man as usual. You you bring the heat, you come with historical facts, and you speaking like nobody else could speaking with mar got it. I need to get the cupcake speech for my song because I don't think he heard it. I don't think he no go you check it out. It was. It was horrible, and

he put down all the brothers locked up. He put down all the brothers for the closing with and he even made fun of our names, African names, Muslim names. He said we shouldn't be nick names and called chick calling our kids Mohammed, and we were invented Howard, you know, Dick Gregor is hilarious. After he finished, because Nick was getting a ward, Dick walks up to him. He said, maw, don't you cover say nothing like that when I'm on

stage with you. You crazy, you know, And and just again a little bit more he should just in terms of just give a little tidbit. Bill was put on by Dick. Dick left the stage, left the nightclub scene, the comedy stage to join Dr King. But he still had all these dates all right that he had to work. He gave those to Bill and put Bill on. There was an incident in the Playboy Club in the sixties, Playboy Mansion. Everybody went to in party. There was a

pair of white comedians. They had their own show. Someonell remembered that some who are old enough, the Smothers brothers. They were speaking out against Vietnam War. Dick was speaking out against Vietnam War. Uh Rowan and Martin was another popular show. All these shows were speaking out against Vietnam War. The only comedian who wasn't was Bill Cosby. They confronted him at the Playboy Man. So many the movement puts

you on. Bill, you wouldn't be on if it weren't for Dick Gregory in the movement when you're gonna speak out against some of these injustices, and Bill said, I'm just I'm not gonna do that. So that's Bill. That's been his history. And Bill needs to be held accountable for all of that as well as to me too. But I'm saying we were done with Bill already. The Cosby Show was great. It was cute, but at the end of the day, where do you stand on our issues?

And Bill, Bill just wasn't there. Well, Mark, you gotta come back because we're gonna talk because be Cosby Show was my whole life. So it wasn't cute. It was very, very critical. And we're gonna talk about all the shows. I think we should do that one day, just kicking about the shows and what those shows, how how they all impacted us from good times and you know, just take it back and think through, um, you know, some of the good old days, and we should do it

in person. We love you, Revord Mark Thompson. Thank peace, King Peace Peace. That's as usual, man, the good Reverend doctor Mark Mark Mark Thompson as we call him, always drive and used and there's a lot to unpack. Man. You know, just listen to him like like he pretty much agrees with us. There's no reason why this woman shouldn't have been charged and shouldn't still be charged. You know, I never and I never knew that they actually issued

the warrant. That's crazy. But you know, every time you talk to Monk, you gonna give you some history that you don't even know about. Man. So I always appreciate him, No really, I mean I agree with you. I didn't know about the warrant um and how I was never executed. And I think that what we learned from, you know, and also just listening to Mark give you more whether you agree with uh, you know, his position and many

different people's position on Steve on Bill Cosby or not. Um. You know, one thing you do have to recognize is that there's a history of you know, when people violate the black community. It's like it just kind of like goes to it just goes to the wayside. It's it's not important. But then of course when they do things that agreed just to another community, then the world expects us to jump on it and you know, be a

part of the crusade to destroy them. And I don't think that there's anything wrong withholding people accountable, but I do know that the hypocrisy is what makes folks start feel they find themselves even defending things that they know is wrong, because they get to it's like the Kanye piece, like when he was saying all the disrespectful things against black people and and saying anti black things because of the fact that no one it wasn't a big media story,

you know, there was no companies canceling him. People made all types of excuses about why, well, you know, we're not we can't really say for sure that it's anti black. But then of course when this when when another community is harmed by the things that he said, then it's like, okay, well everybody should get behind tearing you know, him to shreds. And I think accountability just has to be more across

the board. We have to be accountable in every single corner, because once we do that, then people will feel comfortable saying right is right and wrong is wrong. That's a fact. And you know what, and that brings me to my I don't get it. We was talking about Jerry Jones and and Mom brought up, you know, Lebron's position. And what I don't get right is because I'm critical of you when you do When you do wrong, ship, I'm gonna call you out. But when you do right, ship,

I'm gonna call you. I'm I'm also say, yo, you did something right right. And a lot of us take time, we make mistakes. We we you know, we fall off a little bit, We don't see clearly or certain things, and so many people are mad like, oh now Lebron trying to get back in our good graces. Bron has said a lot of things that I agree with. He's he stood up on a lot of different, you know, issues in that regard black people. He's he's, he's he's

to use this platform a bunch of times. And then there's times that I didn't think he was just strong. That that happens all the time. No, none of us are perfect, but I don't get this narrative in this position that people take that you're too late to do the right thing or you're too late to speak up. Now, don't speak up in that like are isn't our job? Isn't this what we say that our black influencers and people who have platforms and who have levels of celebrity,

that we want them to speak on our behalf. So some of them are not, they get they catch up a little slower, some of them don't understand certain things. Isn't that our job, you know, as a community to want to see them progress, to want to see them be on the right side and say the right things. So I think it's I don't get why we want to discourage those same people from speaking of because it's like,

damn if you do, damn if you don't. When you see the person doing the right thing and they're saying the right things and they're standing on the right side of history, and then and then representing this culture properly, didn't salute them the same way you want to tam down when they don't do it the same way. When he said what he said about Kyrie, everybody was all the wrongness, and that he had, he took a time to reflect. You know, he reflected, He thought about it.

He said, damn, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe this wasn't the right even I don't know, I shouldn't have said that. I think I'm not I don't know that's what I'm saying. Maybe I said, maybe he said. I don't know what he thought, but I know that when he sat down and he made this statement, it looked like reflection because he even brought when when Kyrie said, look what happens he said, I know who I am, and I need you to keep the same energy when

we talk about things that happened with our people. He sat there and he thought about what that meant. He you know, he probably at that point, he probably didn't understand exactly what was going on, But when you sat

back and you listen, he probably had a conference. I don't know what it was, but I know that at this point he was very strong and letting you know that black people have been wronged and with and is not taken with the same level of vigor and energy that y'all give to everybody else's atrocities and things that happened. He said, this is one of the major things that happened to black people when those when those seven kids

were denied to go into that school. Those are historical things that scarred the black culture and community forever, and we have to deal with those things and they shouldn't just be glossed over, because when we do something that you don't like, you know you're not gonna gloss over. So for me, I just don't get why we as a people don't understand that we have to give our own people grace. None of us are perfect, none of

us are gonna get it right every time. But when you see somebody who has those platforms and can lose, and it's gonna deal with certain backlash because they stand on, you know, certain principles, you gotta we gotta, we gotta fuel that, you know what I'm saying. We gotta lift them up. We gotta celebrate that the same that were the same way we tear down when they don't do

it well. I I agree with you, but I just want to make I just want to make it clear because I don't want us to romanticize stories in order for it to be more convenient. It may just be simply that he still agrees with his initial point that he thinks sharing a video without context was wrong for Kyrie, and as he reflected on what probably what upset people so much in that moment, he knows that racism and hypocrisy exists, and that black folks are always on the

shore at end of the stick. Right. It doesn't mean that you can't see him and say, you know, I can sit here and say about my child, you know you did this, and I'm piste off about it. Look at me yesterday. Yesterday I told him off about three different things, gave him three points and really gave him a piece of my mind. And you know how I give piece of my mind. Um, But then I still turned down and came in and made him some dinner and helped him do some of the things he needed

to do right. So we can we can do those two things at the same time. And I think that on this last point is what we're dealing with here is humans, right, Humans that for the most part try to get it right. Lebron tries to get it right for the most part. There nobody is perfect. Sometimes our ideas and our thoughts, it's not even just old. Maybe he thought he or he rethought it. He just might not agree with us and we don't have the same

opinion on something. Sometimes that's like sometimes I don't think, I don't think. I don't think that's what I was saying. No, no, no, I'm not saying you are. I read the comments. I'm sorry, So I read the comments. I saw people in the comments, not on your page, but all over saying things like, oh, now you want to change his opinion. Now he want to say things, the things to get back in the good graces. I don't know if I think it's getting

back in the good graces. I think he just is a man that said what he felt then and he's

saying what he feels now. He can he can say you and I can have a difference of opinion on point A and still know that hypocrisy and racism leans on black people the most, and that even though what Kyrie posted is not something that Lebron stands behind, even Kyrie said there's things in the film that he doesn't agree with, So we already have made that clear, but we can still acknowledge that Jerry Jones, and let me just add Brett fard In a bunch of other white

people have wrong the black community, and they have not been held to the same standards as someone who posted a movie and didn't make the movie and doesn't sell the movie, but the people who sell it, who are also white people, have not been canceled in the same way.

As as as as what Kyrie experience, well, well, once again, I'm gonna give a little pushback because I don't think I don't think any of us, most of I mean, for the most part, there are people who are saying, you know that he did, he shouldn't have felt the way I think. For me, my my whole issue with wasn't how you felt, because you could have felt there a lot of people felt like them. I don't think he should have posted that or this and that. But

you weren't supposed to say that on TV. That wasn't supposed to be a conversation that you had because prior to Jerry Jones, prior to Brett fag this America has had a history of lynch in the black man, or or prosecute black men, or publicizing everything. So it didn't just happened. He knows that, he knows that whenever a black athlete or black person does something, we're gonna be criticized way more than everybody else. That didn't just happen.

So I think when he realized them, I utilized my voice to pile onto another black man and nobody, no other white man is gonna do that. That's never gonna happen. It hasn't happened in history. So I think my personal thing is he reflected and said them that I was wrong for that. I wasn't wrong for how I feel. My opinion of it really doesn't change. But I didn't have to utilize my voice. There's a bunch of people that didn't utilize their boys. They are all hundreds of

athletes that refused to make any commentary on country. And I think what he did, Drang was if that was your opinion, you should have kept that opinion to yourself. Okay, well, we gotta let's make sure we put this at the top of our next show because I still have pushback and I won't even give it to day. But what I will say is that Lebron is a leader and thats in a lot of directions, and when you know he's asked to speak on certain issues, um, you know, I'm not saying that he has to speak on it.

But as a leader, he can't just be like every other person that doesn't have anything to say. However, how you say what you say is very very important. And I think that the way several people spoke about Kyrie Um in the ways and you know, and in the ways in which they spoke about him, I think that it should have been Um done differently. Let's just put it that way. So let's talk about it again at the top of another show. UM, And I think that's it for today pretty much. First of all, let me

shut UM. Shout out Budee Brand, Black Owned. This is the hoodie. You know, I've got my Black Effect hat. Finally got my Black Effect. Shout out the Black Effect. Um, sit down with the stand up. Since we're dropping, then episode is gonna be a small little clipping here, so y'all can look forward as me interviewing my man g depth. If we don't know g Depp is, he was signed

to Bad Boy in a night the late nineties. He went to prison for a murder that he committed twelve years prior to going to prison, He actually turned himself in because his conscious hurt. Nobody was looking for him. The warrant nobody even knew he did it, and now he's up for um. The lawyer who prosecuted him is trying to get him clemency, and the judge and the lawyer saying that they think he should be granted clemency after being in jail for twelve years. So I want

you to listen to this compelling interview. Shoutout to g Depth sitting down with the stand ups coming soon. So yeah, but there's a lot of it's gonna be a lot I know, I don't know if you're comfortable with just talking about it, but there's is a lot of young kids and a lot of them aren't privy to the kind of like the story of what happened, like I know and people from I ever more than likely. No, but just a little more of what what was it

that you turned yourself into? What happened? Not I don't need you to give me details. You know. It's not saying that you really comfortable, but just it's kind of like explaining what happened. But yeah, well you know it was, you know, because before you know, I came I came up. You know what I'm saying? In the uh in the rat you know, industry and the music industry. Guys. You know what I'm saying. You know, you know I was

out in the street throwing things. You know that I didn't really have been you know that I didn't have any business doing, you know what I'm saying. So you know, you know, things things went you know, less I wind up, you know what I'm saying. You know catching you know, permitted committing a robbery, you know what I'm saying, and wind up. You know some you know, one of the persons that it was involved, you know that got got killed.

You know what I'm saying. So you know, it was it was one of those things where it wasn't you know, you know I didn't I didn't know either, you know what I'm meaning. But it was just one of those things that you know, just was heavy on my heart for while, you know what I'm saying. So you know, you know, years went by, and then you know, I just had you know, I wanted to, you know, kind of kind of bring some closure to the whole situation, to the whole you know, to the family or whatever whoever,

whoever you know was connected to this man. You know what I'm saying. I was, I was connected to this man at this point, you're what I'm saying. So, you know, I just you know, I investigate. I did my own, you know, my own investigation, and you know, come to find out. And when I say I did my own investigation, I mean I turned myself in. You know what I'm saying it you know long behold though you know I had passed away, so you know, getting here I have

you know what I'm saying. So that's what that's what, That's what that you know it was all about. You want to hear more about your concept of what you're doing, uh in our next show. So let's still put that at the top. That put a pin in it. We're gonna put a pin in it, you know. So that

brings us to the end of another episode. Shout out to the Great Reverend Mark Thompson in his historical views that always keep me mind boggle because I don't be knowing half the stuff and he always that's my historian man him Angelo. I go to them and they give me all of the Jews and the history that I need. So shout out to him for being on the show. Shout out to you, miss Mallory, even though you wasn't visual this got you got this little picture here up

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