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years old, young boy. Uh, much more focus has to be on this situation too. He's in Boyton Beach, Florida. Uh, he was riding a dirt bike and went to the gas station to fill up. UM and an officer in the community mark soon that many people know for twenty years, this man has been terrorizing this particular community, including Stanley Davis Jr. Which is Stanley Davis the third father. Twenty years.

The community knows him. And Stanley Davis told us that he actually UM informed his son about this officer, so everyone knows. Now. You see Stanley Davis in the gas station, it's all on video, and you see, uh, the officer sort of pull up behind him. It looks like Stanley Davis doesn't even pump his gas, he just runs because he knows this guy. He knows this officer, and he leaves the gas station and Mark Song follows him, driving in a high speed chase, and at some point, little

Stanley loses control of his dirt bike and he dies. Now, some would say, because you know, there is the critics that say, oh, well, you know, why did he run him? What was he doing in you know, and all of that. Well, here's the deal. Jaden Reardon's family, which is a six year old young boy, was also at the press conference. Why because of the same behavior by the same officer that killed their son. He was in a high speed chase and as a result of that chase, UM, this

six year old Jaden Reardon was killed. And then there's little Cyrus, another child who was killed by in a high speed chase situation with UM officer Mark Son. So this officer and and by the way, as you know my son, because we learned this is just one three things that he's done. Three children that have died because of him and his negligence, but his racism towards black folks on the police force as a police officer is clear. It's well documented. There's twenty years of stuff in his

record that he has a little rap sheet people suing him. Uh, folks, He's been reprimanded several times, He's had supervisors speak about his issues, and and and and they actually in his report. They are supervisors that have written things to say that he's dangerous, that he doesn't do his job properly, that he has he's biased. And still twenty years later, the man is working on the police force and a child, a thirteen year old child, was killed. It doesn't make

a bitter sense to me. It doesn't make sense period. Man. Like I said at the press conference, this is a serial killer. You know, this is you know, and and what happens for me is like I said, I don't really have an issue with a racist and someone who is the killer, because that's who he is. Right. But we have a justice system that is supposed to protect those that is opposed to, you know, protect the the

the basic citizens against things like that. Right, there are laws and things set in place so that when you are racist, person that commits crimes out of racialism commits crimes period. Their consequences and the justice system is failing these these parents. It's failing these families because they're allowing

this person to commit murder without any consequences. It is state sanctioned murder, is state sanctioned white supremacy, and you know, and we're seeing that more and more, and I'm really heartbroken for the children, I mean for the families of the children. You know, just looking at um Stanley Davis Jr. The father, Stanley Davids, the third and just hearing how

this is wearing on him, Just trying to understand. I have, you know, three sons, and if this was any of my sons, I know, the you know, the minds that being, I know, it would crush me totally. So just hearing what he's dealing with, hearing the mother of the other one, the yeah, yeah, the mother of Jaden Rear was dead and and just hearing her and she would hold back tears hearing Stanley, Stanley Davis's mother, you know, she she even got choked up to what she couldn't even continue

to talk. So these things child, their only child was killed. But because an officer is unhinged and just running wild, and no one has done anything about it, there's so there's so many things happening that I'm trying to figure out who is responsible, Like nobody pays for any of the things that's happening to black people. And I just don't know. I can't believe it, like I don't. I cannot believe that a thirteen year old child was killed after two other children and at some point even still

to right now, this man hasn't been by you. It's disgusting then, you know, And then to move on to more things. Then now we have nineteen babies, twenty well nineteen people, eighteen babies and two teachers. It's just unbelievable. Man, Like I don't understand where we are in this country. I don't understand in the mind's sake. I tell a lot of prayers every night, praying for not only my family and myself, but just every human being. We're just in very dark times and you know, I don't even

know what to say. Every day you turn on the news, there's another atrocity, you know, and and we have to deal with those things. Trauma, the trauma that is setting in on just the average human being is very high. You look, you look at um suicide rates is just violence. And it's so much trauma that we're dealing with, and we're in taking all of the trauma and it's causing you the last show, it's causing you to do things

that are irrational, it's causing mental health issues. So I would ask anyone if you're feeling like, you know, suicidal, you feel like you're dealing with trauma, find you know, they are definitely hotlines to what you can call and speak to people you know, speak to someone who's who specializes in mental health, if you have some individual that you just like to talk to who calms you down. But don't hold it in, don't internalize a lot of

this trauma and pain, because I know it's a lot. Well, you were saying that it's designed like that is what white supremacy does. It creates so much confusion intention that it's designed to make people lose their minds, take their lives,

take the lives of others. Because the whole premise of of white supremacy is to gain control, power and to be able to maintain whatever it is that they believe makes them period, right, And so with that being said, the only way to have control, the only way to have power and dominion over a people, a land and all its resources is you have to keep the people confused.

You have to keep the people stressed. You have to keep the people feeling like they can't get their bearings because therefore they can't stop to focus on fighting the real enemy, which is the white supremacy and the and the institutions that uphold it. So they're doing a damn good job. And you said that to me. When I was telling you yesterday, I said, I'm not doing well. Today has been a bad day. I was crying off and on after I learned that Erma Gonzalez, the teacher,

one of the teachers who was killed in Texas. When I learned that her husband had a heart attack and died, I was finished. The day before, my legs were struggling to walk towards the top supermarket while we were in Buffalo. In Buffalo, like as I was walking, I was getting to like I was videoing I was gonna live. There was so much family and love and support that was out there. We fed five people and it felt so good to see, you know, until freedom out there partnering

with other groups and doing what we could do. But I was trying to take the people on the phone on the journey and bring them all the way to Tops and I couldn't walk over there. So then you come back and now his husband has died. It's a lie, and you said, this is what it's designed to do. It definitely is man so much, but I do want

to shine. I like the one good thing we did, like you said, we were in Buffalo, you know, um our condolences went out to the families who lost the loved ones in the Buffalo mass massacre, and we went out there and we decided to partner with them Feed Buffalo and our brother Trade the Truth to get some resources, get food, get vegetables, fruits, get all of the resources that some of the families need, because like you said, it's a food desert. That Tops Market was the closest

market within about the twenty mile radius. So we decided that what we would do will go out there and make it easier for those in the community who couldn't get or just didn't have the resources. They just try to provide them with something of joy. There was music, There was a food truck out there which you can get free food to eat, hot meals, you know, So for me. It was a little bit of sunshine in all of it. And I seen hit Sunshine Sunshine. Sorry, you know, I've seen a lot of kids out there

laughing that the music was good. It was just a little little yeah. Elders are out there. People were happy to see us, They hugged us, you know, they took pictures. You know, to try to provide a little bit of positivity in this time is very necessary. We overwhelmed with negativity, and we hear all the negative things. But I'm glad that um Our Until Freedom team were able to connect with other people who have the same mind state and

the same hearts like we did to provide that. So shout out to Until Freedom, shout out to trade, shout out to media. Um Uh, every bottom covered feed Buffalo. I mean, there were so many out there with us. Uh. And we had our brother Jamal Crews on the I guess two episodes ago on Street Politicians, and we worked with him right immediately following that interview to set up

a time for us to go to Buffalo. And we were there and like you said, it was a lot of love and you know a lot of just heartfelt conversations and to the point that we were talking about before this, um I was doing. I was on live because we were raising money, like right on the scene. We took people to Target for two hours while we shocked. Linda and I were there in Target putting things in the cart. The folks were on the phone on the lives saying, I'm sending a hundred dollars, get some more

can to tune. It's not enough tuna in the car. You need more rice. You need this, you need spaghetti sauce, you need this, you need that. People we're helping right there. We was doing it. Why because unfortunately there is this narrative that like people aren't in the community, and and maybe that's our fault, right, maybe because especially a person like me, I don't use my devices all the time

to talk about what it is that I'm doing. I don't always like to show people or even and sometimes I kind of feel like because me and you know this, I spend a lot of my personal money donating giving. I certainly um M A M A A. I'm a very I'm a strong donor of campaigns, local races. I give people my personal money across the country all the time.

I support organizations if something happens. I try my best to do as much as I can, and of course I wish I could do more, but I do spend and try to give, donate investor, as you say, and so I don't often talk about that. But I also don't necessarily use my social media to bring a light or to shed light on what I'm doing in the moment um. And so I decided to do that right then, so people could help, and they did. Folks were helping us out, giving us ideas, sending um Investor mints, donations

and um and we did that all day. And then as I was talking to this one family and they and it was a live conversation with a mother and her niece, UM, and they were like, you know what, we're not letting anybody lock us up. They were they were elderly. One woman was actually on a motorbike, a motor you know the I don't know the scooter or it's not even a scooter, it's a bike. So she was sitting there. She had all bags of groceries. We

didn't give people one thing. They had bags. People left with five bags of baby whites and of color rocks whites and canned goods and perishables and all types of things. Bread like you said, shout out to trade the truth for the bread the vegetables. And so they were like, we're not letting anybody lock us up in our homes.

And that gave me so much like joy to hear them say that and make me feel like I could fight, because they were like, we're not We're come our song, and for the seniors that can't come, we're picking up bags, taking it down there and coming back to help them. And that is what it's all about. We can't even though, yes, sometimes you might have to take two or three days to sit down, get yourself together, but we're in a fight.

There's a war that has been waged against us, and we better know that we're in this war and that they're gonna be people who are not supposed. When you say white supremacy, what do you mean because the kid in uh In, Texas who killed those he's not white. It's white supremacy is not about color. White supremacy, it's

about a the ideology. It's about systematic oppression. Right, it's a it's it's it's bigger than just the person who's carrying it out and that's what happens because the country is so off the chain with mental health issues and hunger and everything that's going on social media helping to drive people crazy. You're gonna see more people acting out these horrific incidents because folks are not in their stable mind and that is something that we have to tackle

to do. You know, Shot once again shout out to trade the truth. He left directly from Buffalo to go all the way out to his hometown in Texas. He went to your All Day you know, elementary school, and he was out there with the families, um and he reached out to us, and you know, we're trying to help with some of the finances for the funerals, whatever we can do. You know, it's a tracked it's been a lot of tragedy. It's been so much tragedy. But you know, people like what we do and what other

organizations which Trade does. It gives some level of solnce knowing that there are people, individuals and a bunch of people who wants better man, who are willing to get on those front lines, willing to go outside, as we say, because when we say we're outside, and ain't that we outside with the community. We work for the people, and you know, and it's good too. It's good to be able to after those things to come and get a hug from somebody that you know was dealing with a

lot of trauma and paint. And when you hug them, you feel that you've you've given your energy to them or they give you and they smile laughter because they know someone kids. So you know, I'm I'm happy to be a part of that process, the rebuilding process, the love process, the the community process, the unity process for sure. And you know, speaking of just all the things that's happening.

Last year, on May which was the anniversary UM of the murder of George Floyd, something that changed the world forever and ever and ever will never ever be the same. Um, we saw Joe Biden, President Biden say that he wanted to UH the House to pass the George Floyd Justice and Police and Bill, and it didn't happen. And so for a whole year we've been using fighting, protesting, demanding, meeting,

organizing to get something done. And on this week, UH the anniversary again of second anniversary or yeah, the second anniversary of George, of the murder of George Floyd. Um, the President signed several executive orders. Uh, and this was a part of the George Floyd Justice and Police and Acts. He focused on some important things. Um, and you know, at least we got that done. Does it go far enough? No?

First of all far enough for us. First of all, George Foyd Justice and Police and Act was not far enough, so that in and of itself did not have all the things in it, and it wasn't as strong as it needed to be in order to address some of the key issues. However, there was some important things, and um,

you know, there will have time. I think what we should do is bring maybe Congressman Jamal Bowman back to talk through all of the different things that's in the executive order, so we're not just talking off our head but really looking at what these things mean. But there was one piece that is extremely important, and that is

the registry, the National Registry. So because at this point, can you believe it were in two and there is no national registerstry where a police officer who has committed some act of violence, racism, excessive force, or what have you, is in a system that all over the country people have access to it and other police departments, and so you could get a job, you could be working over here and then and kill somebody and then go, you know, fifty miles away and get a job on another police force,

and they will say they didn't know or they didn't have the information, even though a lot of times they do know and they just don't do anything about it. But the registry allows us to hold people's feet to the fire, and it allows us to also manage and maintain data and know what is going on with these different offices. Now, the point that it's always a step to process. We have to fight with local municipalities to

participate in the registry. And that's what makes the executive orders, um, you know, challenging, and it makes people say it's not enough because these are all federal pieces of legislation that he signed, and so it doesn't always reach us in this on the state side the way that it needs to. So there's always fighting. There's still so much to be done. However, we demanded that the president do something, and he has

signed the executive orders. Now, one of his issues, one of his key issues in our next our guest is on for today, But one of his key issues is that he did not want to do things around criminal justice from an executive order perspective, because once he leaves office, and especially if the Democrats do not win again, the Republicans will more than likely overturn everything that he's done.

And in fact, even if the Democrats are in place, and you have a situation where the Republicans are able to win that control of the House, and you know right now, it's very slim, and in fact, we're the Democrats and I'm a Democrat. Um, we're in jeopardy because there are two Democrats, particularly Joe Manchin and Christian Cinema, who vote unfortunately or especially over the last several years, they have been leaning in a Republican direction. They've been

leaning with conservative politics. And therefore we are not as strong as we should be with our fifty plus one. If the plus one means we've got half of the House plus one vote. Being Kamala Harris as the vice president, she has the tie breaking vote. And so if this situation flips in any way where we lose more seats, which in the mid term elections, I believe it is very very very possible, and we might not win. The

Democrats may not win the presidency. Then everything that he signed as an executive order, everything that has been signed, it will be overturned. Um, it can be overturned, and more than likely will be. And so he did not want to do executive orders. He wanted to get real legislation passed from the House, which would have made it permanent. And and so these things are always a challenge. It's not enough, and it's a whole hell of a lot of more work to be done. And sure is man

but like you said, something is being done. A lot of people are on the fence with this and that for me, you know, I just understand the government in a different manner and understand and you know, the kragmire that we deal with. Understand that the government structure is really not set up to favor the least of these or the man generalized communities. It's not really set up to benefit us. Right, so when you look at situations like these bills, like having the past executive orders at

this point, that's really all we have. But we know that that is uh. You know, it's a band aid on a on a on a gunshot wound. You know it's not gonna it's not gonna really make any change, because each individual state has the ability to just say we're not following that because it's just on the federal level and it doesn't apply to our state. So we

understand what we're dealing with. You know, hopefully we'll get to a state where we actually have real power within government, where we have people who are willing to be radical make radical changes, people are willing to stand on it and and fight for what it what's necessary, and what's honorable, and what's decent and what's you know, the right thing to do. But until then, you know, we just gotta take what we have to take that's right. So so that talking about laws and all of that takes us

right into our next guest. Um I noticed that last last week while we were a matter of fact, it may have been this week. It has been this week. It's been. I mean, stuff is just happening, man um. I saw that gonna the artists when he went to court, the courts denied him the right to be what is it uh, what is it called? He wanted to be, wanted, he wanted to know. He was trying to get a bill, and that was the word, that was the word bail.

Um So they denied it, and he um, you know, has his next court date is not until sometime late in January, so he would basically have to be in jail all of that time. And um, you know, people

on the internet that was mixed reviews. There are some people who are like, well, because of course the district attorney, the state's attorney, they made the case that he is the leader of a gang, he was the shot caller, and therefore he's a flight risk and he should not be released, you know, to home confinement until the trial begins and um or while a trial is taking place. And then, um, you know, obviously the same thing happened with Young Thug over the last couple of weeks. We've

seen that. And so you have these two artists that are beloved by a lot of folks. And like I said, you've got a lot of people mixed feelings. You've got people who support the system. Is said, well, Atlanta is crazy, and you know, they were in the gang. And there's argument over whether Y. S. L Is a gang or not, and you know, and all of that, and then you have people who are just saying, here we go again too.

Black men who may have kept the wrong friends but you know they it's this a circumstance of their environment, um, and that they, you know, should not be looking at all of this time. So you've got all of these different perspectives out there. Um. But of course you got two men and others who are caught up in the

midst of it. And the main charge, the main debate has been Rico and Rico has so much to do with conspiracies and and whether or not you were standing next to and on the phone with and what happened. And it doesn't always have to be that there is specific evidence that shows that you actually killed someone or you know, they don't they don't necessarily find the smoking gun. And so now we have a guest coming up who happens to be your friend, um, and so I think

we should bring him in. And and this is somebody who's gonna talk to us about Rico. Law's firsthand, my brother, my friend, you know, my comrade, somebody that you know, we speak And I get a lot of jewels from who's been around in this industry, who's been around just in life a long time. And and it's an honorable individual. He is the CEO of Adventurous Music group my brother Chris gotty, what's going on came and something? Thank you

to Maka, thank you for having me appreciate it. So before you came on, we were we were talking about the topic of um Rico laws as it relates to young Thug and Gonna and their situation and how you have so many different perspectives. You know, of course black folks know how to debate like no other, and so

people online have all different types of feelings. But it seemed like there's a common thought that rico is a very dangerous, uh situation for anybody to get caught up in, because it doesn't always mean that there's a smoking gun in your hand, but just who you know, who you really be affiliated with, and sort of the conspiracy theory of what you could be involved in based upon whatever

the government decides. And you said, you know firsthand about all of this, so why don't you tell us about your experience, what you've been through, and then how to you deal with it along with your brother? Wow, So you know, well, we went through we went through a

federal investigation. I believe they're dealing with the state still that RICO which is like a criminal enterprise, which they're trying to make it like there's multiple people involved in knowing about some type of illegal activities and proceeding with

whatever that might be. Um, you know, when I know, I text you on your your Instagram and it was really because I know how challenging it is, and I know my son and being what you've been through with in your own life, the challenge that come these things that that are going on right now, they put together is very strategic. It wasn't like it happened overnight. This is something that the government or the state put together for probably some time now before they actually came forward.

Especially because they're famous, right because of their stature, they would not make moves out having some type of cooperation with somebody saying something. You know, we're we're actually in a criminal conversation right now. If you you know, this is what conspiring. You know, conspiracy is all about ort Rico. You know, once we start talking in these in these forums, in these capacity, you could say something I said or didn't say and make it like it's a real problem.

And that's why it's so serious for these guys because how how many people they have involved. Uh, it's very difficult to to get out of these things, to navigate out of the situation, and in the way being my brother did it. The first thing we did was severed the case. We severed our case, which means we we took a different position from the others that might have been involved. Let's say in our case, Ken Ken of Supreme Griff, who's my brother, who's still with me to

this day. Right, but we knew the government wanted them and he couldn't stand next to him in the sense of going in that court room with those same charges that he might be facing. Okay, that to make us face those same charges. I believe he was charged with. I think twenty two or I'm so good I can do one kind of stay one with them because because I don't think we actually was clear. Right. So, Chris Gotti is the brother of IRV Gotti and Murder Inc.

Was under investigation. They had rico charges filed against them. Griff was also someone who was affiliated with them, but he was not part of Murder Ink, but he was had affiliation. They were friends, they were from like family, and you know, he was supposedly connected in some type of street dealings of weather and the federal government wanted to get him, so they pretty much attached these cases. So right now, what Chris is doing is explaining to

you the process. And with him and his brother irv Al, he went about and being one of the few people to have actually be the Federico charge. Yes, and we went the whole way. See, most the reason to phase at the conviction is most people take the plea, they'll cop out, so that's a conviction. But you know that is what they're putting the pressure on these celebrities. They never thought me and my brother would go against them

the whole way. Uh, because the offers they made us the police, they gave us was like unbelievable, Like it was so easy to say, okay, let's take it. But the problem was I had nothing to tell them, and that's what they wanted. They wanted some cooperation in order to get that plea. And there's nothing to say again. So if to go into detail about me and Kenny Supreme with Griff, uh, I'm from Hollis, Queens. He's from south Side. Hollis and south Side is all in one.

We don't mix. We never did. I grew up my whole adolescent years fighting someone from South side like every day, literally every days, running through Friday like. So at the end of the day, people didn't realize we knew who he was in his heyday. He was a kingpin, he was a drug dealer, He did do those things. He went to jail, comes home after about twelve years after overturning his case, and we meet basically just like anyone

else with me. I knew about him, I knew who he was, but I wasn't just running to him or trying to be his friend. He's the king of south Side, So imagine I'm fighting dudes from south Side all all the time, and he's the basically the boss of south Side, the king of the south Side that we meet. He was very slow paced, and that's how we became uh friends, the way we are to this day. We built a regular,

normal friendship. So when he came home, he wasn't participating in all of those criminal acts that I knew about from back when he was the kingpin. He was different. He went in for twelve years, came home and didn't have the same relationships connects. All his other cohorts was locked up or dead, So it was a big difference, right, and then the him and try to paint this picture of this is who he was, and it just didn't

make sense. But the reason I was going into severing the case, which I believe if uh Donna and Thugger's lawyers was really trying to do something properly, that would be the first step is to say, wait a minute, my these guys are celebrities, their stars, they intertwined with everyone. So in my case, what happened when we were into Courton pictures, You know, you started realizing you see me take all these pictures with people, but it starts telling

the story that may not be really true. Because the story that was being painted for me and my brother was look at all these guys there, well, look at these pictures. Look and this is their history and their record, criminal records, and they're involved with them. And I'm like, no, we're celebrities, were just being nice taking pictures. I don't know these people, but it's our job now to prove

that we don't really have a relationship. And a lot of these guys that we took pictures were started cooperative. Let right there. Yeah, so you the two of you had previous history, like criminal history from the past that they also sort of used to make the case that you are the same guys that you were. No no, no, no, not me and my brother. Okay, good, okay, not me

and my brother was fresh and Tamika. I've been blessed to navigate through all of those ups and downs from my adolescent years, not saying I was a saint or wasn't doing things. I just never was involved in. There's no criminal record on me or my brother. But he took pictures with We're at the club and you're in the club and you're taking pictures with They have all

these photos, you know, But that's it. That's important. This isn't important thing right here that you're saying, because I thought we were talking about Okay, you guys committed criminal acts in the past, and now these are some of the new people, and they're saying, well, look at y'all coming up. You're telling me you don't even have a record,

no criminal past. And just because you were standing next to somebody and you take a picture with them, they're associating you or whatever this dude does when he leaves the club, but before he came over, not even that they're they're associated with the past. That the individual has exactly saying is when the man came home from prison, he wasn't even engaged in none of those activities, especially

not around them. So so they they utilized this man's past, his criminal history to say, Okay, he's attached himself to this organization who's successful. There has to be crime involved in this. And I'm gonna tell you the mindset that then why they're doing that because they feel once should become successful, you should not be messing with your people

like that. That is really like. They used to come to my house every day defense while while before the trial started, and they would come to my house trying to get me to cooperate, and my lawyer would say, don't talk to him. I said, I'm not gonna tell nothing. I'm just curiousy what they're thinking. And one of the main things their main agenda with me was your part. Why would you give up all this money you're making right? Why would you jeopardize this business? We was at nine

figures at the time. Why would you jeopardize this for him? If you don't tell on him or cooperate with us, you'll be sitting right next to him because he will go to jail, and that was the mindset and that was the pressure basically me and my brother, because it wasn't just me, my brother was My brother was getting the same visits. He was getting the same conversations at the same damn time, Like they was going to his house and they're coming to my house eight in the morning.

It was so bad that I would just open the door and go back to bed and then wait, get back up in another hour and they be in my living room waiting to talk. That's how serious it was. You know, I have friends that was inconstrating. Thing was telling me how they was going into their cells every day, okay, to to to get them to cooperate or tell them about me or my brother something we was involved in, anything just to build their cakes. Like there's no ends

to how the thought they would go. And um, one of the main things that I did, you know, financially is the main reason we are free. I could probably sit and ask my song right now, if he had money, would he did his time? Like he probably couldn't fight the fight he needed to fight to protect his freedom. And it wasn't But it wasn't just money. It was also knowledge, right because yes, you look to me for You're right. I didn't know, but I wouldn't have needed

that knowledge if I had the right lawyer. Right, my lawyer had a right amount of money lawyer, And if I would if I would have had the right Listen what I'm trying to tell you. If I had the right, if I was worth twenty million dollars, somebody was set this that Listen, This lawyer right here is the only lawyer taking your case. I don't care. Would nothing happened. They would have They would have protected that interest to the point where it would have been no way that

that would have happened. And this is the when I seen your posts. This was why it moved me so much, because these brothers need help to understand that they have financial power. They could help, they could fight. Now. I don't know what they did or didn't do, but I know these steps that needs to happen immediately. The first thing I did also was I hired it a private investigator,

a private investigator to investigate everyone around me. I told all my people, we're investigating everyone next to us, so if you have a problem, you're gonna get caught. If and again, it kind of shakes up everything. But guess what what would you pay for my especially my son, or what would you pay for to know all your people is good? Because that's what I got, whatever I had to whatever. I had found two people in this whole investigation that was no good, but they weren't cooperating

against me. They was cooperating with other people in other cases against other people. So two people out of maybe about sixties and seventy people that we investigated was no good. Everyone else came up clean. So that's peace of mind. That's first in this former They need to know who's not working with like who's o operating, who's not, and those two people. As soon as I found out that was going on, even though it wasn't justast me, I

never talked to him again, no more interaction with him. Right, it was over. That's it. And then the next part that I did that was very important to the trial was a jury selector. And again I learned this on the fly. I didn't know it going in. This is all conversation with my loyalge Germans Shop yo um. And again when I talked to him, he was like, we probably need to get this jury selected. And I was like Okay, I think I know someone. His name is

Josh Steuben. He's still in business. He's absolutely the best. You need to know. Like, I didn't know none of this about how you. I knew there was a process of picking juris, right, but I didn't know how deep you could go into actually questioning jurys. He made questionnaires that they had and so imagine at the time if I had a jury's juris that potentially was fifty cent fans. Right, This is one of the biggest things when you're celebrity

now they need to do the same thing. What if they got juries on their jury that don't like them, you have to eliminate them people because because I heard them saying something about why and Lucci or something, and they're beefing with them, and then something with Little Wayne. So if they have people who are like supporters of those individuals, those people are not even really there to listen to facts. They're just waiting for the time to say you did it exactly. That was the biggest one

of these. These are like the reasons when I when in hindsight, why we was able to do what we didn't win, It was all of these factors there's more to it. I'm gonna go through, but these were some of the main ones. Probably investigatives. Investigate the entire circumference of your circle. Everybody, I don't care, everybody gets checked out.

They need to do that in the movement. We need to do that in the movement and tell pro that's just black folks who are successful in general need to take on that approach to check it everybody around you. Do you know what I want to say before you, I was interviewing my man Tone for Queens, and Tone said the same exact thing that you said. He said with him and his co defend that got locked up because they were so business minded and they had turned

a lot of their resources into property. They owned a whole lot of stuff in South Jamaica, a lot of laundry, mass and all that that. They said that they were more of a threat than the more notorious people because they were legitimizing their businesses. So he said the main reason that they wanted them off the streets because they knew that they were leaving the game, and they were smart enough and they were making that money and turn

it into something that was legitimized. So they really had it out for them more than they had it out for everybody else. I'm telling you what the I'll go through all the the office they made me because they broke all federal guidelines to make me my brother office to get to to look just so we would cooperate and tell and I would put a thousand people up on that same situation. I'm gonna tell you, probably nine ninety nine will take that offer because we were facing

twenty years. We had offers for no jail time, just probation. But we had to tell just my lawyers was like, Chris, I don't know what to tell you. I don't he said, he doesn't work with anyone that is cooperating with the government. Chark Dell would not take any client that would work with the government, so he said, but these offers are unbelievable. I can't guarantee twelve people are gonna find you innocent.

He said that, you know, it was unbelievable. And uh, if you was to talk to Earth, Earth may not know all these details because Earth was really a difference. He wasn't involved with the lawyers. I was there from the first day last day. My lawyers said, Christian, make the snowball I throw. So what that meant was I had to give them all the information of what was really going on in our lives and how we really worked with people and how we did business so he

could protect us from a legal standpoint. That's the next part to what I'm getting to is these guys have to trust their attorney to talk to them openly, truthfully, because they're the only ones that could save them right now, right because the government's gonna twist everything. Like their biggest problem, and I'm sure they're having that same situation is our language. They don't understand our cultures language, They didn't understand how

we spoke. So back then there was sky tell pages and we was texting, So I have over sixty thousands sky tell page messages that I had to go through to see what we were saying. And they didn't know how to translate what we were saying, so they was looking at it from a whole different perspective than then. When I told my lawyer, he crushed them right away because they was like, that's so wrong. This is what

this really meant. Even when one day it was a simple post like telling prem about you know, he asked me to get the five hundred, talking about the Mercedes beings, right, simple as that. And then we were talking about crystal crystal. My daughter, I have to get crystal crystals, and they're thinking it's crystal to drink with celebrating because this happened over here, this murder took place, and I'm like, what the hell are they talking about? And that's how they

portrayed it. Now, if you can't um, go back and see how you was talking and understand that language, you can't protect yourself from that either. See, and that was a big deal. That's why they take in. That's why they cannot survive without someone telling you knowed, the success is because someone is telling and they're getting this information. They don't know what we do. They have no clue. That's what I'm trying to and that's what I'm trying

to explain to you. And and people have this thing that, oh, you want to protect street culture and you want to protect you know, the thugs and all this, and in this case, right there, innocent people. Right, they're innocent people who are in an organization. And because someone is weak and scared to do it with anything, they will make up stories. They will tell fabrications. They will do anything to get that probation and that no jail time because

somebody says you're facing twenty years. So this is what I'm trying to talk about. A weak individual. This is what I'm talking about when I talk about snitches and rats. When you running legitimate organization and you have people surrounded by you that's doing the right thing, and you have these weak individuals who who who've been side by side and know what you've been doing and being with you every day and willing to sell you out because they

don't want to deal with anything. Those individuals do not deserve any type of beliefs you. I don't want those type people around me. I don't want to celebrate them. They're not doing a good deed. They're not a good citizen, they're not individual my soide that resonates for me so so much because our case was it up because of a guy that I hired who was homeless, that I taught, and I said, I'll give him an opportunity. He was working for our street team. I would see them there.

The first person is in the office was me. He was there, last person leaving was me. He was there. And I said, damn, he's a hard worker. Then one day I come in my office, opened my bottom drawing. I see clothes in it, so I go crazy. I called Dex, my my street team guy, and I was like, Dex, who the hell is putting close in my office? And we find out it's this guy named Darnelle Nichols. He was homeless. He's telling me he has no money. He's homeless.

He's working as an internal street team and he needs money, but he wants to be part of murdering. I said, listen, I can't just give I don't just do that. You can't live here. And I give him a job and I teach him how to actually do royalties and publishing, and I said, yo, yoll help me with all the royalties and publishing side. Because he was good on the computer, put in his spreadsheets everything, and that's what he did.

He started stealing uh the scot Tell pages and you remember they would get to me legally turned on and so you didn't have to pay the monthly feet and he because he was a smart computer guy, that's what he was doing. He gets caught with that by the feeds and then gives up the story. Saying murder Rink was doing all this. Chris is this or is that? And that's basically that's basically how the whole case started. Um. You know, in grand jury testimony, they applauded him for

coming forward. But here's a guy that just was trying to save his ass to give up a story about murder Rink. He would talking about all the cash that came in. But I was a big gambling back then. I'm still a gambling but not like I used to be. They took my gambling book and seeing I was gambling one point eight million dollars a week. This is how much money I was making with my brother and Jock, because it wasn't just me, it was all three of

us betting one sports. And when they've seen that that, I'm like, who's gonna money under a million dollars and gamble one point eight in a week? It just the case didn't make any sense. That's how frivolous it was. But the course of us over fourteen million dollars to protect our freedom, oh my god, oh yeah to me, my my attorney. The reason I picked General Sharp Girl. I went to every high attorney in New York City, every one of them. I walk in the office, and

what's the first thing they tell me? The retainer. I'm like, if I walk in your office, I'm not worried about a retainer. I'm worried about how are you going to protect me? Sel never talked money. Did I know he's gonna be a three million dollar retainer? Yes, But he never talked money. He talked about how he could work for me, his relationships in the courtroom. He gave me all his like insight and knowledge. And I said, as

soon as I met him, I'm messing with him. No. I went to the best black man according to what they told me, which was Ted Wells, and he was right away sharp suit walking. He's like, yeah, he you know the swag. And he's telling me three million not a retainer. But I'm like, can we talk about Yeah, Like, if I'm in your office, I'm not worried about three million. I have that. And that was we went over that.

That was just the start. Just understand and before we got to him, before we got to him and Earth took General left court, same pertainer before we got to him. Uh, we had hired this firm because that we I didn't realize again my ignorance was I was under investigation. I didn't know. I had to get attorneys and everything to protect myself. And I'm only under investigation, which means technically they're just looking at to see if there's something going

on or whatever. And basically I was like okay, and I didn't I was paying this high price attorney or this law firm, K Shoulder, K Shoulder, I mean every month, I mean hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. They received millions before we even got to a real attorney. So again, these guys have a lot to make sure

they they're thinking about. And you know, when I seen their lawyer put in to get them out of um the jail for a bond, because condition, as soon as I've seen it, I'm like, he's a clown that jail. But the bottom the country. A lot of times, these like he said, these lawyers that bleed you right now, they get retaining fees every time they go to the court. They need a certain amount of money. They go that

they know that you're not gonna get. They're not gonna sit there and say listen more thing like you're not gonna get a bond on this. But let's put together some ship that's really giving you an opportunity to say, Okay, this bond, this, this request right here really makes sense. So now you get you trying to go for a bond sixty times and you're wearing out. You're wearing out this ship because now the jail is like you're just

throwing up anything to say some whereas you come to them. Okay, listen, based on this evidence, based on this, boom boom boom, my client is this, My client has this, he has family as this, he's stationary, all these things, we're gonna ask for bond, We're gonna ask he be in his home. That's what real lawyers do. They don't just randomly throw out these requests. But these people want to be able to go to court and get pay to go to court.

But let me just say this, and we've we've got we have the uh, the advocates and family of Julius Jones who was on death row um not long ago, and we all got together organized and fight to get him off death row. Uh. He's his family is coming up next and so we've got to cut our time. But it's two things I want to say one is that also the way the media tells the story about what happened in court can be excused. So it could have been a bunch of motions that were filed and

one of them happened. What I'm trying to tell you is that the time that the motion time, it doesn't make sense because it takes you time to really come up with You get from the family. You want to get heart felt letters from the daughter. You want to put together a real thing that when you presented that they're looking at and say, Okay, this person is not really a threat at this point, even though we were gonna go to trial, but we want he can be in his home, he can be confined to his home.

You want to put together the best possible thing that you can. And and again, these guys are very big celebrities. I don't know them personally. I know you know some people inside of them, but they're very big celebrities. They're not a flight risk. They they you know, that's what the government or the state is concerned about why they wouldn't release them. They're not leaving. They're gonna show up in court and face their the music, and then you

know they don't want them to actually make money. That's the other part, because they know with money, you could protect yourself, you could fight. You know, one of the things they did with us is they made Universal our partner, cooperate with them, and Universal cooperating with the government and stop paying us. So at the end of that trial, I ran out of money. I have no problem telling you I ran out of money. Earth had who made a lot more money than me, and the music career

right he um finished off for me. But they Universe Will absolutely stopped paying us illegally because they knew we can't fight two fights, right, we can't fight that guerrilla and this went on the same at the same time. So they you know, they made the sign a contract in the middle of our trial that if we go to jail. This is how we actually got them to pay us the money, they would do us. If we go to jail, they own a hundred percent of murdering. Wow, yeah,

it was. It was crazy, but we needed the money and we did it god willing, and we won. So we ended up owning the murder in a hundred percent. And then when we come back, they don't sign us back. They didn't want to give us a deal. Took us over two years to get back to the music business. People don't interact that happened. Um inside of that. You know, the documentary is coming out, so it's gonna be pretty strong,

uh into this mouthing on b T five part series. Well, I just want to say that Chris, you one of the most stand up individuals I know, you know, one of the most respected dudes anywhere you go. There's a level of respect that you receiven is because you've always carried yourself with on it and I respect that, you know. And God, God did what you're supposed to do for you, man, and that's why you're here today. I just want you

to you know, before you leave. Man. A lot of these artists, you know, again caught up in this reco especially as these young kids a get snatched stuff. They're on the internet, they're doing all these things. Do you have any advice, give some advice for these young boys, because the rico is just a new it's a new thing. Help you get a reco you get a rico charge?

What advice when you get these young artists that's on the internet and they you know, doing a lot, what would you say the dollar question my son, because it's so hard because it's it's like keeping it real, and then what's that expression from keeping the real goes from see when you're in a position of financial position where you actually could change life for your family's life financially, to empower him with that ability from the career you

chose from this music, you have to be very conscious that it's not just yourself. So you know, you've got to be conscious that this is what you're really risking when you do anything outside of the proper lifestyle you should be living. You know, you have to understand that. You know, the older we get, the less we want to be involved with anything. You know, when we're young,

we're not as in that same mindset. You know. I tell everyone when I got over and put the gun down and I was, I would be you know, I would remember you know Russell Russell Simmons always telling us stop to be stop this stop that I understand why he was doing it because in in business, street business or well music, I want to do a class action lawsuits against him, but that's another story. But with business, I mean with street stuff, any violence stops the business.

A body happens that they shut the whole block. Now everything's gone, everything stopped. Every Body suffers when any violence happened. So you have to understand that as a younger person, which most don't, and that's why it's like the gift

in the courage. They just don't get it. But they need to really be accountable for their actions, and then they would make better decisions, especially if they knew the consequences, because they might know what the the consequence but not think about it well, and if they not felt it enough to understand how real it is, right, because it's it's just it's it's a lot of unhinged activity happening right now,

and we've got to go. I need to invite you back, and I hope my son is okay with you that we put together a panel to talk about lyrics and names. Sure I remember when I mean, I I was you know. However, it was long ago, twenty years ago when this was happening to you. I was working with a bunch of pastors and I remember sitting in a church and a pastor was you guys were in the news. It was

a Sunday morning. Woke up, y'all are all over the cover of the newspaper, and they were talking about the situation, and the pastor said, if you call your company Murder Inc. And your name is Dotty, and y'all are basically celebrating the mob and the mafia, then what do you think is gonna happen? Right? And obviously they're saying that we're gonna Doug and I want I want us to talk about and we can't do it today, but I really want us to talk about what you think now that

you are older, would you make the same decisions? And you know, what do you think about the lyrics and also the titles that we call But you can't answer it now go back. But that's a great question. And I have the great answers for everything you're saying. They're like, it's really strong. But again to the pastor, again he should he should realize he shouldn't pass judge. Of course,

you know that's the that's number one. So when he says, you know, when someone throws stones, you kind of look at them, at them because they don't understand the culture. They don't understand what we are. They don't understand who I am as a man. To make the judge. They're just reading what they're being said, and that's what you see. That's right with the you know, with that jury selector.

Just to touch again and how important that is. Um, we made sure that they couldn't see things, they didn't have opinions of our music or anything like that, because they might be that pastor and when he hears the information, he may be biased and not really listen to the truth, you know, And that's the problem. That's that is the problem with social media. You know, they could see so

much today. Thank god it wasn't in that era, because man, it would have been even harder to stop those jurors to go home and not see it and hear it and read it on the ongoing basis and who knows what their opinions turned out to be. Well, we love you so much and appreciate you know, let's let's let's continue these conversations because the people want to be educated. And that's what I posted. I just wanted to be

educated because I don't know. It's not my world and I'm not people to try to act like I know something I don't and I'm not ashamed to tell the world that I don't know. And I thought so we love you, We thank you, and we'll we'll be back again with another conversation that gets a little bit deeper about that judgment in our communities. Yeah, definitely, thank you, all right, appreciate you. Appreciate. So you all know that

we try to keep up with our stories. We try to be a place at street Politicians where my son and I will you know, have a topic and come back and talk about it and we follow up. We try to make sure that we don't just sort of leave things as a one off because there's a struggle, there's a fight. There is a continued struggle for justice, struggle for accountability, struggle for our communities, and uh, it doesn't really do us any justice to talk about these

issues and not continue to work. And we try to tell y'all this all the time that these fights that were up against it requires everybody to keep your eyes on it all the time, to remember to continue to support if it's financially, if it's physically showing up at a rally, it's not just the one off situation. November eighteenth of two thousand and twenty one was a very very serious and significant day um where Julius Jones was

set to be executed. And because of the work, the fight, the struggle, and the demands of the people, his family leading the charge and other organizers, we were all collectively able to stop that execution. But there is still work to be done because Julius wanted to be free and he should be free. And you all out there who are listening, you are a part of it. You are part of the fight. And of course i'm you know, sure you've heard family members and others thanking us all

for coming together. But the fight is not over. It is not over because Julius is still sitting in a prison and he needs to be released. He is sitting there for a crime he did not commit. Um And if you don't remember Julius Jones, if you and there's so much happening, you might be like, wow, what which one was that? You know, you can't really remember. Julius Jones was framed for killing a white business owner while this man um who he was in a car with

his family and was shot in his driveway. And of course that is horrific. It's horrible, and the right person or those individuals who were involved with it, they should be held accountable. But Julius was not the shooter, um, and and he needs to be free. So today we are joined by two individuals who would just give us an update on what's happening with Julius, where he is and where's the process and how can we continue to engage. First is Reverend C. C. Jones uh C. C. Jones Davis,

who is the campaign director for Justice for Julius. So she was the one that kept us all together and kept you know, for lack of a better way of describing, at the whip on us that we could not stop, we could not give up. And then also we have um miss Antoninette Jones, who is Julius's sister. And then I don't know if you watched the news to see people talking about Julius and his family members and social

media accounts, but this sister is no joke. She was serious about making sure that her brother's life was not taken uh, and it's serious about to continue fight. So thank you ladies for coming and my son, I just talked so much, I didn't even give you space to you know, when you're seeing the right thing, I want

to stop you. Man. These are two queens who for for this brother tooth and nail, and you know I had I happened to witness it happen to be there when we got the news that he wouldn't be executed, and just to see everyone rejoicing, you know. And now we have a different fight now that we stopped the execution. We gotta get this man's freedom back, because as you said that he is innocent of these charges. So we just want to get an update from you, ladies. What

what is going on? How is Julius? What is the next stages? What should we be doing? Let us know and answer that. Let's start with you as his sister. UM, you know, where where is Julius mentally? Because I know he told a lot of people that you know, he thought it would be death or freedom, but not this sort of in between place where he's still caged. Um? So where where is he now mentally? And where are you and your family? UM? Honestly, he has a lot

of up and downs. UM, just coming to the conclusion that you know, man, this this governor put this executive order on their Um. He did not take the uh like I I can't get over the fact that he put that executive order either. But Julius is He's doing as best as possible for a man that just got off of death row death watch, Um, four hours from from a scheduled execution. UM. Remarkably, God has to stay

in his mind. Um. His heart is not hardened. Um. He still he still wants to live and live outside. He still wants to help his community. He still wants to, you know, do so much. And he still has hope. And that's the that's the main thing that we that we grasp two is the fact that he has hope and he it is challenging for him day to day with different things that come at him. Um, but he's he's doing he's doing as best as possible for someone that just got off death watch. UM. Watch death watch.

Because you said death row and then you said deathwatch, which is obviously two different situations. I mean it's the same thing, but there's something specific about death watch. Why don't you talk a little bit about what that looked like? And down to the last hours, there were things happening to Julius that to me was in humane. So he had he had a lot of things taken away from When you go to deathwatch, that's basically you're for pain for you're in these different cells that they move you

closer to the death chamber. And so he moves. I forgot if it's every week or every every so often. He he has seen the death chamber, but he's in these he's in these different cells each time that he's being moved down. He has a limited um limited contact with family, UM limited phone calls that he can make. He doesn't have, like he can't have a lot of books. He can maybe have like his Bible and maybe some pen and paper. UM is he always has he has

lights shining on him seven. So you know, I just that's I don't understand that, Like that's that's treating somebody worse than the animal that's caged up. You know, Like what's the purpose of that? You know? Um? And in the last twenty four hours is it or forty forty eight hours? Was he restricted from lots of movement? UM? I want to say, I want to say it might be the last twenty four I want to I want to say that. But and then they also give you some kind of you have a choice to take some

kind of medicine that that like relaxes you. And he chose not to take that. And I had told him, you know that he would not be strapped to the to the table. You know. I just kept telling him that, you know, believe that you're gonna have your freedom, you know. And he was like, Ned, I don't know if I can take living in prison the rest of my life. You know. He said, I'm I'm ready to go either way. And I was like, man, don't talk, don't talk like that.

You know. I just had to keep enforcing. Like that last phone call. I had to keep telling him, no, this is the last phone call for this evening. I was like, I'm gonna see you tomorro, I'm gonna see you tomorrow. I'm gonna see you like I think it was Sunday. And we never got that in contact visitation before the scheduled execution. But God God provided away. He He had told me early on to call and set

up a visitation. You know, I refused to read that um invitation to my brother's execution, so Ceci had to read hers. She literally had to read hers for me to understand what all things needed to be done. You know, I just I refused to accept that that evil, that evil. I'm not gonna cuss, but I refused except that evil invitation and the fact that they sent one to my mom and my dad, like, that's so evil. But um, that last conversation, I just had to keep reinforcing. You know,

you go see your son one day. You're gonna be out one day. You know, I'm gonna see you. You know, I'm gonna get to hug you. And the process of you getting out is gonna be soon. And I hate that it's not soon. It's not soon enough, you know. But he the fact that he got to talk to his son and he hadn't talked to him and alone. Well, I'm just gonna be honest, he hadn't talked to him and about since the young man was eight and the young man is gonna be twenty three. He's never got

to hold him or hug him. And I kept telling him, you're going You're going to do that one day, you know. Um. Just it was a lot of reinforcing because he was he wasn't playing. He was ready to either go to heaven or get out. And it was hard seeing my mom. My mom does not cry like and I mean that because she's like, she is so strong, she holds so much together. I'll tell I take my you know, whatever she's doing, I take my leave from what she's doing.

And a lot of people like, well, you're you're like his fiercest you know, advocate, and I was like, don't don't say that, because my mom is like my mom and my dad. Yeah, they hold us together. They may not be visible all the time, but they hold us together. And another cruel thing, but it was also a blessing. And I knew that my brother wouldn't be executed because my dad started dialysis that morning of the scheduled execution.

So I was like, I'm either gonne, you know, stay strong for my dad and you know, be positive for him, dropping him off and then coming to pick him up, or I'm going to head down to McAlister early in the morning. God said you go whenever you're ready to go, CC asked me, you know, she said, whenever you're ready to go down there, We're gonna go down there, you know.

And just having calm people around me and not people that are you already been fed until he supposed to be executed, you know, it was like the and I don't mean to put anybody on the spot, it was like I had to reinforce to other people that that were trying to They were trying to, you know, be there for us. At the gas station. There were so many people that came up and was hugging me and crying, and I was like, look, it's not over with. You know, all is well. God is telling me all is well.

Not to day, not to that that day. C c Yeah, talk to us, tell us where where we I mean, we're hearing from answering that what we already know. It was the worst feeling, but their faith held them together. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. Let me start by saying, thank you all so much for for everything. Thank you for sharing this with your audience. Thank you for being on the ground in Oklahoma. There were you know, this was, This has been and will continue to be a human chain.

It cannot be a one person or five person a temper something. This literally has to be everybody in order to make sure the right thing is done by one black man in Oklahoma. Um, So, from the bottom of my heart, thank you all and thank your audience so much for all that you have done. Um. Listen, that last week leading up to that scheduled execution was pure hell. Really, the last those last thirty days were pure hell. And we had people on the ground like Dr Tiffany Crutcher,

who led a parallel campaign to hours. I mean we were we were fighting like cats and dogs in Oklahoma. Often was on us, she was getting my phone every day. Yeston was there, passing, Mike McBride was there, Um Pastor so many Yeah, Tracy Blackman, so many folks were there. And so I just wanted to first of all say thank you and and and shared those acknowledgements. Um. One thing that I want to go back to and ant when I talked about faith and she talked about the visit.

I want you all to really understand what this woman did. Julius was supposed to be executed on Thursday. This woman called the prison on Monday and said, I want to visit my brother on Sunday next Sunday, and the prison people were like, ma'am, Julius's execution and schedule for Thursday. She said, I heard what you said, but I want my name on your books to visit with my brother on Sunday. And I want you to know that on that Sunday, this woman was sitting there talking to her brother.

I got okay, So, I mean when I tell you, I'm gonna tell you right now. If it had not been for God, we never would have made it. If it had not been for faith, we never would have made it, and Julius would not be alive. But where are we now? So Julius, we are about six months out from November and his legal team of kind really trying to determine what is the legal direction for Julius going forward, and to be completely clear, that is not clear at this moment um. They are really thinking through

the constitutionality of the executive order. That answer that alluded to the executive order that the governor put in place on November eighteen said that Julius would spend would have life without the possibility of parole and he would never be able to give it for a pardon and Parole board in Oklahoma again, and so really exploring the constitutionality of that um. So that's kind of the legal part

of it. In terms of the advocacy, it's very very important that that a few things happen in Oklahoma even while we figure this thing out legally. It's very important that Oklahoma County get a new digit attorney. This digrict attorney was such a cruel individual. When I reached out to him years ago, UM to talk to him about Julius Jones, he told me to shut up, to go away. He said, Julius is gonna fry and there's nothing you can do about it. He hasn't been willing to pass

over Julius's case files through his attorneys. The man has been terrible. We need a new district attorney in Oklahoma County who would be willing to consider new evidence for Julius Jones and pass over his file. Secondly, we need a new governor of Oklahoma. You guys probably have read so much about UM Governor Stid at this point, UM, not just about Julius, but how he treats the Native tribes in Oklahoma, how he treats UM women's women's issues

in Oklahoma. UM. Most people will know that Oklahoma just passed the strictest laws in the country of just this week. UM. And so we need a new We need a new governor because we need someone who would be pliable and willing to do the right thing and looking at Julius's case UM here in the near future. So those are the things that we are really focused on right now. Those are the things that we can impact, as well

as to continue telling Julius historian in the meantime. So, my son, I want you to jump in um and I guess I'm just you know, it's so much in my mind. But I want people to hear what you said about the abortion laws, because some folks will say, well, I don't know if I believe that that Julius is innocent, and at least he wasn't killed, so he that's over for them. But the same governor who knows that there is not sufficient evidence, in fact, there's evidence to the

alternative that actually says that Julius is innocent. He knows that, but because of his for his political reasons, he didn't want an execution to happen on his hands. But he was not interested and invested in justice because justice would have been to free Julius completely right. And and to me, I think it's really important that people remember that he

didn't have to make that decision on his own. He had a pardoning parole board who voted twice that Julius should have should be recommended for life with the possibility of parole, which he would have been up for parole within the within the year he that governor turned his own parole boards recommendation down twice. His all these are people.

He three the five he appointed, He appointed these individuals for his parole board, and and he two times did not take his own parole recommendations, which was a overwhelming majority that said that Julius should be received parole. Yes, he voted three to one, one of one of the then the one guy. When I listened to him, he sounds like a stark, raven, crazy racist. That's how he sounds to me. So so to put these things up to each to next to one another. If you say, well, Julius,

I don't know, I don't got time. I did whatever, I already did what I had to do. Over there, he's not dead. That's it. The man just put the abortion laws in place as well. So what it says to me is women, black men, and our people, especially marginalized communities, that this man is a danger. He's a

threat to all of that. So there's a reason to fight just because if you're not into the Julius Jones story, you've got to be someone who cares about the rights of our women or the children who suffered the poverty all of these issues that's happened within Oklahoma. There's a reason to get involved in the fight. There is a reason, and I think for me to it this, this person is not interested in the law. This is a This

is a some this this is an anarchist. This is somebody who believes that he is above the law right. He believes that regardless the you know, the situate, the body that I put in place, the people that I put in place voted and looked at the evidence, and they have more knowledge of more have looked deeper into this situation I have. And I'm not taking their opinions.

And not only am I not gonna take their peniens, I'm gonna implement a law in order that says that you can't even get the scene again, Like, this is unconstant. It has to be against the constitution. There's no way that this is constitutely because you're you're you're basically saying, we don't even care if you're innocent, you come with evidence anything, we don't care. You're gonna die in jail. And that's that that has to be. That's that's unbelievable

to me. It's unbelievable. With that somebody even has that level of power to be able to do. Let me tell you that I think what I think is was the bottom line and what really scared me that last week that the governor's office had signaled to us that the governor was going to meet with Antoinette and her mother and family and the victims family before making a decision.

We got word that he had met with the victim's family, but he had they had not reached out to us yet for Mama Jones and Antoinette's meeting, So we were going to them, okay, when we meeting, when we meeting. Mama Jones ultimately went up there the last week, sat and went into his office, sat in there for three hours, and he was not He did not have the courage to come out to meet with her. But I'll tell you what I really believe happened. I believe that he

met with that victim's family. And yes, they are victims. I want to make that completely here. These people have been through hell, okay, But there was something about white women, when white men women sit and cry, tell their story, okay, about being afraid of a black man. I believe that we saw a hundred years later the Tulsa massacre scenario played out, and I believe that those white women's tears move that man in such a way that he felt that he had to protect them in some way from

the big bad black man, Julius Jones. And there and when So when I heard that that happened, when I heard that that meeting happened, I said, I was very nervous after that, because that's white didn't meet with y'all, right, because we know how we know the impact of white tears in this country, right, we know that, and I think that had a whole lot to do with that executive order. Wow, So where do we go now? You talked about some things, but let's get real specific. When

is the election? Is there anybody else running for governor? And what are some of the other things that we can do? And then is there a uh financial mechanism that people can give to support the continue work for justice for Julius Jones. Absolutely, So here's where we are. We have an election coming up in November. We need people in Oklahoma to register to vote. UM for the d the d A for Oklahoma County. The key Bahanna is running. We need Vicki Bahanna. And then she is

the fairest person who is running UM for the governor's race. Again, everybody's voted in November. We need people registered and having a plan to make sure they're at the polls, they're senting in their ballots. We need churches and other organizations on the ground in Oklahoma to help make sure help

to facilitate registration and mobilization of voters. And we we don't actually know exactly yet until primaries are over in June who his running mate will be, but I will tell you where I'm sitting, anybody is better than governor stick today. We will have more to say about who the right person, who we believe the right person is after the primaries in June UM, But in for right, right now, anybody is better UM. People can visit Justice

for Julius dot com to make donations. We are establishing in the process right now of establishing a five O one C three and a five one C four two that will do good grassroots work on the ground in Oklahoma City around gun violence and youth engagement and criminal justice reform issues and racial justice issues while Julius is still incarcerated. We want to make sure that good work goes on in his name. In the meantime, my son,

you want to finish yourself. I just want to say thank you for your undying work that you're doing, the energy. You know. I look at his sister, and that's the sister that you want. You know, that's the sister that you need. You know, even though my sister gets on my nerves, I know that she would probably be doing the same exact thing you're doing if I was in this situation. So I just want to say I command you, sister,

and I appreciate you. Also want to say, Miss e c your undying will and what you put into this is unmatched. You know, black women always here to save us as black man man, and I will always tip my hat and bow to your feet. Man, continue to do the work. Anything that we can do, we will do. And justice for Julius. I'm praying for him, you know, I'm praying for your families. I'm praying for everybody. This is it's hard. You know, I've been incarcerated. I wasn't

facing death row, no were near that. But I know those seven years and seven or fourteen years that I was sentenced to, I know I know the pain that I felt, so I can only imagine what he's going through right now. And this is a strong brother to have been in there that amount of time this long and still be in control of his faculties and still be standing strong. So I just want to commend him and let him know that we were still here with

him and we're gonna fight with him to them. Yeah, answering that your father, Um, you said he had to go to dialysis. How's he doing? So? Honestly, and I haven't told c C this and I'm sorry honestly, Um, he has a lot of uh, good days and bad days, um, but here lately he's started to lose his appetite. And that's not something I share with Julius, because that's Julius's greatest spirits that he won't get to hug his father.

And he did not get to hug his father. Um. And that's what I was kind of talking about, is we were supposed to have an in person visitation on the seventeenth, right, Um, But we got the visitation the Sunday. That would not have been if I hadn't have put in that order, and thank God for that. But he didn't get to make it down there the Sunday to give him a hug in person and that really affected him. So Julius's fight is also that to to be able to hug and such as father too. M So I

appreciate all that that you all are doing. Yes, Primaries Junory, if people are listening and say to Oklahoma, please applot for absentee ballots before it's too late. Um, get out there and vote. Um. If you need assistance, reach out to vote for change as well as my Facebook and my social media platforms and as well, follow Justice for Julius on all social media platforms. And thank you all so much for you know, standing with us. It takes

us all. Thank you, Thank you ladies so much, love y'all and we're in the fight whatever we can do. Please don't hesitate to ask. We won't. Thank y'all so much. Man. I just it's a lot. It's emotional, a lot of unpack it's a lot of impact, man, just seeing those ladies and just hearing that pain, but you get that fight in their voice, like they haven't given up and they're gonna keep fighting. Man, It's just a lot. So I just want to say, once again, free Julius June.

Shout out to everybody who who've been fighting for him, our brother IRV Roland, who was pretty much the first person who notified us, you know, was a child, was a child with friends of Julius. So you know everybody that's been in that fight. Man. You know, I want to say our prayers go out to you and we salute you also and other guests. You know, Chris Goddy, who can man, I'm telling you what this I get

these kind of jewels Chris all the time. This is my boy, so we said and have these conversations, and he's a very sharp individual. He's he streaked savvy, yet he's very intelligent. So he's one of the one of the one of my mentors that I talked to about a lot of different things. So shout out to Chris Man and the knowledge he dropped. Hopefully some young kids to listen to it. And I get swept up in

this new reco thing. Not really knew, but they're definitely targeting hip hop and targeting our communities and targeting social media and how you use the social media to encomplish you and and and trap you in these reco charges. So once again, shout out to him and shout out to you to make up, you know, for the work that you out here doing. You know what I'm saying. You was in Buffalo this week giving people, not me, but we Buffalo Black people is just we just something else. Pain.

We take a looking and keep and we just keep going. Man, I'll tell you, but you know, I'm glad that a Bien Trade, the Truth until Freedom and so many others were able to get together to do the work we did in Buffalo, and it has to continue. In fact, the trade just text me what's the plan? He needs to know people moving around. You gonna know where folks is going and what they're doing and whether he should

or should not be there and be involved. So we've got a brilliant, amazing team of very passionate, caring individuals and I wouldn't want to be in this work with anyone else but y'all. Y'all a little crazy sometimes, but y'are the best at what y'all do. Man. With that said, we want to say we appreciate you for continuing to support us, keep tuning in, making us get better, pushing us to the next level. The next year, we're definitely gonna be the number one show. You've got my word

on that. I'm not gonna always be right to make and Mary is not gonna always be wrong, but we will both always and I mean always be authentic. Hey issolutely listen to Street Politicians on the Black Effect Network on I Heart Radio and catch us every single Wednesday for the video version of Street Politicians or I Women dot TV. That's how we own it.