Breonna Taylor Episode 1

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he says. It's blackety black, andy black. So that's the new thing that folks need to know about Street Politicians. And we're working on making sure that our podcast is enjoyable for all of you. We won't just be talking about politics. I know a lot of people think that, Um, you know, we're just all we do all day long is get up, go to sleep doing politics politics, right, So that's why we called it Street Politicians, so that we could talk about things that's going on just on

the streets in the world. This week, we got a lot of stuff going on. Our organization Until Freedom is very very busy, and my son has been running around. You've been out in the street with Traded Truth, acting like y'all the artists or something, doing some type of album. First and foremost, I wrapped my ass. Yeah, so that's first form. You do that sometimes, but you've been running around all day at night acting like y'all putting something and again, but shout out to my boy trade too.

We literally just got the phone. We're putting together this album called If You're Scared Stay Inside. It's gonna be one of the best albums of this ship because it's it's our perspective, like being on the front lines of this movement and also being from the hood and having merged in that perspective. So we put together a soundtrack to the movement, like the soundtrack to the front line of the movie. Yeah, why does it so? Why does

it have to be so hard? Like, first of all, you know, I talk big stuff sometimes, so I'm always in trouble because my mouth, you know, so I get it. I'm not saying that I don't agree. I'm just saying that there are some people who may say, why does it have to be like if you're scared, stay at home instead of it being more inviting and friendly for people. But it's usually more than likely it's gonna be a

scared person to ask you that question. Because if you're not scared, then you get why I have to say that because a lot of people are scared. So it's few of us that orange scared scared of what this period to be outside, to be on the front line, to utilize your voice, to sacrifice, you know. So this is what it is, and this is who we are. We are alpha males who staying on the front line besides our black sisters, you know, protecting our black sisters,

will in the sacrifice for our black sisters. So this is the perspective that we come from. So just like in the movement, it's not like if you're scared of not because we've evolved past that. We have. If we bolt past it, now we we with it. If we're not gonna be oppressed, we're not gonna let you beat us up. We ain't gonna let you harm us, you know what I'm saying. But we we don't advocate for that type of life style. Now we just will wonder.

We're willing to meet you where you are. Understand that the evolution stay inside the evolution of a street hood. Dude, you know, we're willing to meet you where you are. We don't advocate for anybody, right, but we definitely running

for me. Well, we talked about you guys being out here day and night acting y'all put until until I hear it, y'all are acting like y'all doing something and just using it as a reason for you in Trade to be in Kentucky moving around meeting people, and y'all going, I don't know where you're actually reported this count in two days you did, you did, but now you're doing video. So this is the new thing. So when we're working at the table, you in trade somewhere right in and

talking and everybody got a job to do. That's what you've said. So we're still in Kentucky, Still in Kentucky. It's been two months, two whole months. It's rough. It's a lot. You left your children, missed my kids. My son's had a sacking game, and today they both score goals, so I owe them gifts. You know, kissing was only to him. I need to buy him a puppy. Puppy, Lord, I'm not buying him because the puppy turns into a whole another life that I got to Yeah, he ain't

gonna do that. He's gonna pick it up and then want to start crapping all over the place. He's gonna come and get me to do it when his home, we're gonna come. I'm not coming. I told he could get. He wants something else for his rodblots game, but I

ain't doing nothing for them. But it's it's difficult because it's like, on one hand, we obviously UM made a decision that I think was best for not just our organization, but also just like the stress of taking planes back and forth trying to get to Kentucky to stand with Brianna's family would have been very taxing UM. And so it's like you always give up something like you went on one side and you give up on the other.

Because we gave up the comfort of our homes, our families and and all of those things and the things that were used to, you know, our cars and all of that, to move in together with other folks and trying to like figure out every day how not to kill each other in one space, which we haven't done bad. We've been all right, because I think it's because our house is segmented and you can go to your little go to your space. I go to mind, which we often have to do. Especially when he was having our

big debate last night about loving relationships. You just walked out on us and said you wasn't gonna be involved in that conversation because I don't. I don't really agree nothing we said at all. Right, okay, so it is what it is. You know, Tippy Pop doesn't agree with you. I thought that out yesterday. Okay, shout out to Tip that's always agrees she does not. So she just was

telling the truth. Semika tells the truth. My son makes up theory and to be like, so we went, that's exactly what you don't even finish you like, well, if she said it the reason why I happened, and you'll be starting like the reason why I listen, that's right, and then you may finished what she said before you agree. Anyway, she would have to finish what you're saying for somebody to agree with you. Tippic was like, that's right, what she's saying right now, Ye, right there. Don't even finish

the words you left. And so that's one of the ways that we've been able to get through it. But it has been difficult to be away from our loved ones, to and to and to be here in Kentucky. But then being in Kentucky gave us the ability to be able to get up and at the drop of the dime, be in with the local community, be here for important moments,

planning organized. So many people have flown in to be a part of our efforts, whether it be her Roland who works with the NBA and some NFL players, whether it be Kenny Stills, Tory Russell, who else, everybody don't want to Tiffany Lofton from the n double A CP, Leslie Redman from the n Double A c p uh Dwana Tom, I mean, we just everybody, Stephen Green, who is our main man, and it's just been and it's so or traded truth. They've been able to fly in and stay here to be like implants if you will.

In Louisville, to help with this fight to keep things going, to stand with the local community. And so, um, I guess you know, you give up some, you win some, you lose some, or I don't want to say lose, because we never lose our loved ones. But we definitely have made that sacrifice. And so now, um, while we're here,

what we decided. I think the first month, we thought we would definitely be here from August and September and we would probably go home, and then we continue to stay because we realized that Brianna Taylor is not just a woman who was killed. I say that all the time. She wasn't just killed. She was a person who had a very full life. And the things that she cared about in her life are things that matter to the

community that she left behind. So now we find ourselves in a situation where we're actually building with the community, working on our capacity building campaign, helping some of the local organizations to grow into train and to figure out ways to move forward. In light of the fact that this major tragedy has happened in the community and things have changed. It's not the same here. Um. So so I hurried from so many and we're gonna be talking

to activists and others. Um you know, as time goes on as a part of this series that we're doing on Brianna Taylor, we'll be talking to a bunch of folks that have been involved in the case, but now we're on the ground in a different way. And then we hooked up with us a state representative, Attica Scott, who we also will be talking to on Brianna's law,

which will ban no knock warrants. It was done in Louisville, which we know Katura Herron from a c l U and Hannah Drake and others were able to get no knock warrants banned in Louisville, but not in the state of Kentucky and then their states all over the country that still have the policy where police officers can use a no knock warrant, and so we want to make sure that that is banned, and therefore we support Brianna's law.

That's the goal, you know, Like you said, we realized when we came here that although Brihanna was a major issue and a major problem that we needed to focus on, that it was so much more and that Brihanna, you know, life meant so much more, and it created not only just a conversation, but it created a movement that was that was going to spark the world, you know, And

that's what we realized. And we realized that we had to utilize our voice, we had to utilize our platforms, we had to utilize all our resources to put them here in Louisville, because right now this is ground zero for the movement. What's happening here is going to shape the next twenty to thirty years about of our lives. So, you know, we realized that we had an important part to playing that. You know, we had to be here

for the family of Brianna Taylor. We had to be here for just the city of Louisville, because when we got here, it wasn't just us working. It became family. It became like we actually we actually live in Koku for a minute, took up residency temporary residency, um and and I think you know, now as it's sort of it's sort of winding down because we've got to hit the road, which you know, obviously our GOOTV efforts will

take us around the country. And as we begin the process of moving out of Kentucky, it's sort of like a bit of sweet feeling because now we've become one with people who, um, these are some passionate and very courageous individuals to see people hold down Brianna's name in the way that she did. That they have and the whole down an actual place in the middle of the city apart, whether it's Injustice Square apart. It's over a hundred years, I mean hundred over a hundred days. That's powerful.

Like really, it's now two hundred days I think since Brianna was killed. Um, and and then on top of that, people have been out there protesting since then, and a lot of young people. And so it's a bit of sweet feeling. But we'll be back. We're not going anywhere, and we are going to start this GOOTV tour, which also includes Kentucky because there is a major Senate race happening in Kentucky, major Senate Senate. Everybody down exactly. Everybody likes to talk with me, not Trump and Biden. I

don't like either one of them. But then when it comes to showing up at the polls, you're not just going there to vote for the top of the ticket. Like you said, it's a down ballot issue, and if you want to know who's actually in charge of the policies, it's not so much the president that we need to be focused on, although we do need to vote in this election like we've never voted before. However, we need

to be focusing on down ballot elections, vocal elections. And one of the people that is running is the person who, in my judgment, is one of the puppet masters behind the scenes for everything that we see happening, all the craziness and outrageousness of this administration, and that is Senator Mitch McConnell mconnell. Mitch McConnell, and Mitch mcconchell is no, and Mitch McConnell is up against uh Is. He's actually

up for reelection. So in this particular election cycle, the people of Kentucky have the right to decide whether he goes back or not to Washington. And there's a woman her named Amy McGrath who is running against him. We are not telling people who would vote for, but what we are saying is that if you want to see a change, you have to actually do something about it. So you gotta show up at the polls and for Our tour will be everywhere from Alabama to Georgia to Florida,

to Michigan to Pennsylvania. We're gonna be all across the state. But on the thirteenth of this month, we're gonna be going along with Brianna Taylor Foundation, the Brianna Taylor Foundation. I'm so excited about the family getting this foundation off the ground, um and we're going to be with them and the UH the Louisville Urban League, which is led

by our crazy dear friend Sadiqa Reynolds. We gotta have SAD and we're going to be out taking people to the polls to make sure that they get there, that they're able to vote and do what they need to do. So that's those things are good. Like you know, you gotta actually be not just a protester, but you gotta be a policymaker. Listen, we gotta turn protests into policy. That's how I go. A lot of people say, what are you protesting? Why are you a margin, Because that's

how you identify the allies. That's how you see who's on the same page you are. That's how you create unity. That's how you say we want this, and then you can take that protest and then you turn it into policy. There is a strategy. Don't question our strategy from your couch. Don't arm cheer question I was strategy. Don't sit in your house in question I was strategy because we know what they'll say. They want to be able to question it, but but don't. But you can't said, stop being critics

without credentials. We don't really want to hear you. If you're not doing nothing. Don't tell me how to do something. You can't do nothing and tell me how to do something. If you're doing something, then you can critique by something. But you can't critique by something if you are doing nothing. I guess that was a bar. I mean, somebody says off, So I guess that's one of those opportunities for you to show that you actually are working on an album.

So as we talk about me wrapping my ass off, you know what I'm saying, that brings me into another topic. Make the stallion. You know what I'm saying? Who I actually love. I think she is just so dope I was spoken. She is confident, She represents the black women to the fullest to me. You know, in this week she gave you a little shot out she did. And you know, it's funny because it's funny because I remember

when Meg the Stallion first came out. You were kind of like and then you studied her as you do with artists all the time, and he was like, Okay, she's a fish's gonna be so because you know what I'm saying, when you first come out, they always bring out girls. And she got a fat on this and that, and I'd be like, O, can I hear you want you? What else? You know? I'm care You've got a nice body,

but what else? You know what I'm saying. As I started to listen to her, she had more when she does interviews this content did there's a girl who was in college that actually you know that actually told so I understand this artistry. And then there's an individual. You know, when I make the connection to both of them, I like who she who she is and who she represents. Yeah,

I mean I'm super excited, super excited. And I've actually had dinner with Meg, and so it's not you know some people think and folks just yeah, people think that people just like jump up, and I mean I never went to dinner with Beyonce, but she still put me on a song, so I thought that was quite incredible.

But that's Beyonce. It's just a different thing. But with Meg. Yeah, so but with Meg, you know, um, we had dinner together, and I learned a lot about her interests, right, and how much she cares about the movement and young girls and the things that she wants to do. And what I found, quite honestly, is that it's like it's almost like a lot of artists don't know if they should or should not when they should and should not because they get criticized for doing it and not doing how

they do what they do it. But that goes into like we did the double excel right exactly, the double left freshman's class, which y'all told me it was so cool because I didn't know what the freshman's class was and now I know it was. Actually they're so amazing, They amazing and they want to be was dope, you know, five year old. Who lord, it was so many now you're gonna have to come up with the whole list. But anyway, um, it was yeah, and that was a

great opportunity, and that's exactly what we're talking about. And it's like, you don't know if you should or shouldn't. If I don't say anything and just mind my business to stay under the radar, at what point they're gonna attack me for it if I do say something? How what went and where? And so we were having that conversation and then all of a sudden, I got a call from Kevin Lows, who actually is on our board

UM and it's a great friend of mine. His company is the management team for Meg, and they said they, you know, wanted to put a clip of my speech in something that Meg was doing. I didn't even know what it was, and I don't do this at home. They sent me a release form and that because because of the fact that I know Meg well, not even just knowing Meg, I know Kevin very well. I have lawyer. Looked at it real quick, never listened to it, didn't

look at anything, don't know what's going on. And I was like, if it's good and I'm not to be in trouble, sign it. Don't ever do that, read it, pay attention, focus and make sure you're doing the right thing. But I was like, sign it because it's Kevin. I trust him with my life. And the next thing. I know, people start texting me talking about SNL, Meg the Stallion, and I'm like, oh my god, this is so dang

on incredible. And in fact, one of our guests, attorney Linita Baker, was the first person to hit me up and tell me that I was on SNL. I just was like, I was sitting there, like I told her, WHOA, that's big. That was my response because I was so shocked about it. It's a good thing, but you know, it's really over there over there clapping. But that brings me to my question of the day, my thought of

the day. You know, I watched the comments sometimes too much, too much, and I see all of these people writing that because Meg and her hit song. But you know, I was in big trouble about why I was. They was They went crazy when I said that I supported on. Let me tell you, they was so mad. And I was over there telling them that why is the number one selling thing in the world. So I don't know how all of a sudden, when it's been selling from artists to artists, been selling from Uji Wally Bang Bang

to Erica. Kids sold it too. I mean we've been selling it. In fact, not only people selling it. Some people are using it, but that's a whole different thing, um and and the people buying it. That's what I'm saying. So like now, all of a sudden, when Meg and Cardi do it, because of the fact that it's it's so I don't know it's it. It is explicit, we know that, but it's also lights Cameron's action. But there are young people watching them. But they are young people.

But you know what I mean, my thought of the day, and then you could argue with me, and then we got to move one. So the thing about it, though, is that what I struggle with is this judgment that people have of celebrities. It's just if these folks are just perfect individuals who just do everything one way all the time. That is not the reality of human beings.

Human beings are very multidimensional. Some days we want to twork, some days we want to dance, Some days we want to sing, some days we want to pray, some days we don't want to get up out the bed. We go through different things, right, And the thing that I think, or my my thought is that I'm trying to help

other people to come with me on this journey. Is why is it that just because Meg is talking about why she's talking about savages, She's talking all of this good stuff for bad stuff, however you want to categorize it. She's extremely sexy, she's you know, and and and it is very explicit at times a lot of times. Why does that mean that she can't care about her community or can't care about like you think that they care whether you are a dancer or a ball player or

a lawyer. When they pull you over in the car and they kill you, they don't check your credentials of what you do. So why is it that she is not able to be an explicit, uh, sexy, confident artist who has number one hits right and at the same time say Brianna Taylor, like because she could have been

in her house and been Brianna Taylor. So I'm just and and mind you, some of the very people talking about this, they out here selling what themselves to understand that's once again critics with our credentials, sh critics who's just sitting at home and talk And you know, for me, it's like we always want to call celebrities and influences to the table and say why aren't you saying this why aren't you using your platform to talk about these things?

And then we criticize, and when they actually do so, it gives makes a lot of artists say I'm not gonna say anything because I want to deal with the criticism, because you know, I haven't actually lived my life in a perfect way. So when I talk about things that are subsequent to our lives, you know that really matter to our culture. That's you know, how we are in danger right now. So when I talk about those things, you know, I don't want to hear the backlash of

people saying that I'm a hypocrite. I'm not a hypocrite. I want. I like to talk about why I'm coming to the street. I talk about is do we have to create a list of like the perfect artists. There's the bottom line. Let me tell yourself, there's no perfect anything. Every we want. This is what until freedom, and you see these things. Until freedom is about anyone who wants to betterment of our people, wants to see us evolve. Anybody,

there is an intersection for you in this movement. You can we expandex you can work in the strip club, you can come home from jail. You want to change your life around. You could be on the corner, You could have been in a gang if you just side that you want to see better for your people and you want to do better, and you want to utilize your voice in your platform. This is what we were actually and see that's what I think, and we we

need to do a whole new show. And also we got to talk to Meg because there's so much I think. I think she needs to be a part of it. I think we need to talk to Cardi Um so we can haves, so we can have these Concardi loves you. She always my brother, my brother, my son UM, and she's been extremely supportive of us, and I think we

need to have this conversation. But I also think that we need to do a show with our co founders just to talk about who we're after, because there's this perception that I can't believe to Mika would and I have to explain because I got calls from preachers and others saying, well, you shouldn't allow them to use you

in this way. And when I finished explain it to them, the audience that I'm after, I'm not after you, Reverend, like I want you to be an ally with me and I hope that we can work together, that I could bring you in to help support what the growth of some of these young folks and to be a part of the family that we're creating. But you are not the audience that I am trying to go after. I'm looking for the ones who are following Meg the Stallion. That's who I want to talk to, want to want,

we want the right I wanted to. Don't say they don't say listen to what I'm saying to people who have been edged out. But that's not true. Because because no, because don't want because no, because because because there are there are people who are at the top of the game. I understand that, but don't be associate in the least of these. No, you said that because I was just

speaking to it doesn't matter. I was speaking about the audience that we're after, and then you inserted your word and said, we want the least of these and what I'm saying, don't do so I say that in your time when that is an other part of it. But it's not even whether it's the least of these, it is a mentality that people have that they are free, that they free falling and they're sexy that they don't they're not bound by some of the things that we have learned that you got to be a certain type

of thing. Your skirt gotta be under your knees and this in order for you to be respected in the movement. And I'm not saying that that's we want that too, right, we want those people to be with us, to be allies with us. But if we are going to actually make a change in society, we've got to go to and meet our people where they are. And they are not always in the church in the in the right places and the right spaces. Sometimes you actually got to go get them out of the joke joint. Like, that's

just what it is. So what I mean by the least of these is not to deter anybody or talk down but the people whose society says that, the people with society deemed not able to speak on these things, the people who a lot of organizations would have been like, these people are not politically correct, so we can't be you cleaned it up. Well, that's what I meant, But that is what you mean because you definitely because I'm the least of these, well people say that about you

you say that all the time. This is this joke, running joke that we have. And we got to move on. Where when I told you, like my son, don't lean on the garbage can, or my son you shouldn't eat that, did you see that the shrump still has the little piece of poop in it? And this and that, And then you'll say to me, I was in jail for seven years, and if I thought the way that you said, if I thought the way that you're speaking, you wouldn't to survive. But you're not in jail anymore. I get you. Know.

What I'm trying to is that I know how to adapt to anything. I don't need to sleep on the bed. I can see on the couch, I can see on the rug. I'm gonna survive. But we're not doing that anymore. We're gonna take a quick break and we come back. We're going to be joined by the family and be on the two. So we're back and we are here with folks that I consider to be family. We considered to be family family to until freedom, but family to us personally, and that is the family of Brianna Taylor.

But not just family Brianna's mom. To make a Palmer and her sister, Jenia Palmer, who actually lived in the house with Brianna all the way until this tragic incident occurred. And so thank you all, first of all for being with us on street politicians today. Thank you for having us. Yeah, we're excited. You know. They don't like to they don't like to do anything, like to do anything. So we

we special. We called we FaceTime, like we need you to come to Like, all right, I'll be there, she says, know that ever all the time, every time I try to get it to speaks. So when she like I put the micy, she just looks at me, and I can understand. It's not anything to talk about. It's not like somebody's asking me to about your favorite album or you know, a hairstyle or something like. You know, we're asking you to talk about a real, real, real, deep, tragic,

dark situation that you're living with every single day. And to not be in the spotlight all the time and then be thrust into the spotlight um and again, not because you had a hit song or the best clothing or whatever, but because of the death, the murder of your loved one. Is got to be a hard place absolutely, there's nothing else to say. It's just a hard place,

I know, I know. So let's see. I think for me and and and my son and I were talking a lot about how to how to really approach this interview because um we we also we love y'all so much that we don't want to put you through having to talk about things that we know. I've seen you cringe when people ask you to make my main faith

by the way we spell it the same and everything. Um, when people ask you to try to go back to everything that has happened, especially that night I see it on your face, is like the worst thing to have to relive that. And oftentimes people who are in media, we don't like to think of ourselves as being in media,

but we are. Um people they don't they don't understand like the nature of like how real it is and how how what's the word this is not like for TV, like it's you know, it's a real thing that you're dealing with, And so they just ask the same questions and just constantly probing, looking for the thing that just kind of breaks you down so they could get the shot, you know. And I and we were like, we're just

not doing that, that's not what we wanted to do. Um, And so we decided that people can just go do the research on that night. I think the FX documentary that The New York Times did is actually a good documentary. I don't think it's perfect, and I don't even know because we never discussed it, but I saw some things that I know weren't exactly accurate. But it is a good way to help people understand the basics around what happened.

Your voice is in it, Kenny's voices in the documentary, um, and so if people want to know and Jenia right, and I think I have interview, but okay, so we gotta fix that because you're a powerful voice. But we'll get to that in a minute. But um, you know, we decided that people should go watch things like that to get the beginning. You know, at first, we were like, are we gonna ask about that night now? Because it's everywhere you talked about it over and over again, and

so with ware, I think we should start. And what we decided was that the thing that has us the most piste off and I keep talking about this over and over and over again, is that leading up to the last days before we heard from Daniel Cameron, the Kentucky Attorney General. Sam Agar your attorney told me, and I checked with him to make sure I wasn't in trouble for telling this, but he said it was okay.

That he spoke with the Attorney General's office and he told them, please do not have Tamika and her family go all the way to Frankfort, which is an hour away from home. I guess, y'all people that speed really fast here. This is the only place, by the way where we go. Anywhere else people don't drive right, But in Kentucky we have been complaining about how y'all drive. Y'all drive a little fast here. Um, but this ride for forty minutes or hour or whatever to get to

Frankfort to hear a bullshit decision. We didn't want that, right, He said, don't have them come for something that you know is going to upset her one. And I think if he said, um, because the ride back, it's not fair. Don't do that to her. And still you were asked to come quickly. It gave you a quick turn around to show up in Frankfurt, which you did. You went there, And so I think the first question that I have. And again I'm sorry for having to ask something that

I know is painful to talk about. But what was the drive going and the drive coming back? Like, in light of the fact that you had already been told, or at least your lawyer said, don't have us come for nothing, so going, how are you feeling? Um hopeful? You know? So like you said, they've we've already said, don't make us drive down here for anything. And the fact that you call and you need us here in this short amount of time, so something has to come,

something good has to come from that. So I'm not really sure of what it would have been. Uh. I never trusted Cameron to begin with, but I was a little hopeful because here I am driving this drive to hear whatever it is you had to say. He could have caused me on the phone. He could have called me on the phone. Coming home was terrible. I threw up a lot coming home, so we we had to keep pulling over and it just was it was long. It was like I was never getting home. And so yeah,

I finally did get home. I just I don't know. I was in bed just the rest of the day. I never I didn't get up. Now mhm. And you were waiting to hear what was what happened? How did you feel did you you believe like, Okay, well she's going there's gotta be something good exactly what I called h And then I said it at home and watched it on TV on my best friend. It's like, boll, that was kind of blameless. She could stayed at home and we could have watched it as a family. Mm hmm.

I think for me, you know, that's what that's what bothered me. You know, we were here with you guys, and you know, and we had been privy to a little bit of that information also, and we sat in the square with everybody else, you know, and when I heard when I heard it, for me, it was just like I would just imagine to me, you drive at home like after that, I just wanted to understand, like like how why would he meet this woman drive out there? You know? And and that I was stucked for like

probably for about thirty minutes straight. So I know that that so basically you saying before I remember when you originally met with Cameron, which was months afterwards, because he never even reached out to you until how many months

was it? Oh? God by then it probably was four months, but four months was the first time he even called you guys, and and he what did he do when he called you just the offered condos is um just that he would do everything he could to make sure the truth came out and UM, and that he would definitely reach out and talk to me before any um he released the information to the public, because that was part of the thing that we were tired of finding out.

UM when the public found out and you know that, I thought it was disrespectful for one UM, but he assured me that wouldn't happen again. But but once again he pretty much failed. And it's like and I think

that's what it was for me, just understanding that. I remember after you had came back, because you came over here and we sat and we talked for a while, and y'all would not like you had much in the system on him, but you said that he seemed like he was authentic, like he seemed like he wanted to do that he had a heart. That was a specific word.

That's what it was. He definitely acted as if he did and it definitely wasn't act because even in the even the moment of him telling me, whatever the decision was he put on the show is what it was. Mm hmm. So finding out that the only indictment because your your sister, Bianca describes a moment where she feels like, oh, well,

I do hear something. You know, there's some indictment that's happening, and so it's like, not not that it was the full justice or whatever, but it just sounded like something. And then she says there was a moment which I also heard a lot about them, We're gonna talk to attorney and Leada Baca, where she had to explain that the actual charge wasn't for someone killing Brianna, it was for the wall, the bullets that went in the wall. So he actually had you drive to Frankfort to tell

you that they were indicting the wall. Absolutely, the bullets in the wall, you know that was that was what I don't know. I don't know. And you always said you never have faith why because of the city. Well, a part of it being the way the system has always been set up and the way it's always treated us. It's black people, um be just because to know learning anything about the history of Cameron, I just I never felt that this particular um decision should have been left

up to him. He wasn't equipped to do the right thing. And he also made a commitment when he took the Fraternal Order of Police that the police union, this is the people the FOP there, they are the the big boys for the police. That's where the folks the officers run to for problems, for issues, right, so he he

took an endorsement from them, a national organization. Every time a black person is killed in this country and it is a high profile situation where police are involved, they come out and try to defend the police officers action. I think in George Floyd they were a little like, well, you know, this was wrong. But that's because they know

people could see right on tape exactly what happened. And so for them to try to go in the opposite direction when folks were burning down Minneapolis, it probably wasn't the right way to go, right like, it would have just incited more. But and so that's a political move because they haven't shown that they actually care about black bodies. And so when when you're when Daniel Cameron is standing there and he's accepting their nomination into I mean their

endorsement in two thousand and nineteen. I think he says, I understand exactly what this endorsement means. I will be the voice and advocate for law enforcement. So why would we ever think even though I was hopeful, I was hopeful, But why would we ever think that he was going to be Brianna's advocate? Which is so painful, absolutely so, which is why I say he was never equipped to do that job. He stood he had already accepted to be on the police side. Yeah, he already made that decision.

And we see it now. It's clear people thought we were a little crazy, like you're just saying it now, we're like the little emoji and hand when you sit there and you actually looked back. He knew this week so right, because he never actually even presented anything that looked like justice for Brianna till so he called you when he could have. I mean, he made you drive up and he could have called you a week ago when he presented it to because he knew he never

presented anything that was gonna get justice for reality. He knew that the moment they were putting boards up on windows down, he chose to drag that out he chose to torture me and my family even more. He chose that you said something about how it feels that your daughter has died over and over again, four hundred and ninety four days at that time, at the time, how many days has it been? Now, goodness, it's just time to stop. Day like the past, that day, that day

killed me out. Mm hmm. Yeah. So you know, it's a lot goes on and everybody has an opinion, everybody has a story, and you know, me knowing you guys and y'all like my family. You know, I'm literally like your family. So I take a lot of stuff first. So I just want to know, like, this is something that's been going on constantly hearing it over does it bother you? How does it make you feel when people constantly say that Brianna was a drug deal, disrespected, angry,

ps um. I could go on forever. She's always texting me. I know you said I shouldn't be disrespectful to grown people, but they they're pissing me off, you know, So it's you know, yeah, it's But at the same time, there's people who in the beginning we're saying those things, who are writing me now on social media. I'm so sorry

that I ever thought that. I'm so sorry because the more of this story comes out each day, there's a new piece of information that shows that these officers were wrong, that Daniel Camera was wrong, and there's people who wish that they were never on that side. That's that's right, that's right. And I know we can't talk about the legal case because there are other legal avenues that your attorneys who will be coming up after you, will talk about.

But this idea that suspicious packages was going where you live, does it make you feel like I'm didn't they I'm telling you all that we didn't have I mean, talk about how that makes you feel knowing that people are making up a storyline and the police made it up. To be clear, they made it up, because it's very obvious at this point that the postal service told them more than one time, no packages, no packages, no packages.

Even a month after Brianna was killed. The officer went back trying to ask again while they're building a case, and the post office said no. Yeah. It's annoying because if they really know, all those packages was for me on her because we both are going on vacation and we can part from each other. So it's like getting your stuff whatever, you get everything we needed for our regulations. But everybody uses Amazon this and that, like this is

what we do well. Not only that, it's everybody, all of us who ordered things send it to that house because somebody is always there to get the packages there because you know the neighbors and everybody will look out for packages. So I order, everything goes to this house. My sister, everything goes to this house. So and they assume that just because we're black and that somebody in this situation has a sketchy background, that it just makes Brianna Taylor and her home your home the trap house.

It's not. It's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable because to know Brianna is she is. She's the person, in a heartbeat, was that if you get caught with something my car, I'm telling I got stuff to deal with my life. I'm telling yeah, that's just the type of person she was. So it just to hear those things pis as you are. You know, I think it pisses me off more than you. I don't know if it's more than you, but I

know I'm very pissed. Up. I go to Jenia's page sometimes and I see like little video clips that she posted on Brihanna, and it's just like like, how did this happen? You know? How do you how do you like when you post when you're posting those videos, like do you just be in the house and just thinking about things? Or like a lot of times when I posted this because they're coming up in my memories. Um,

but it's just like it's my friend. Yeah, that's a big deal because you can have Yeah, but you know, do you think you're suffering a little bit or do you think that Jenias stuff her in a little bit from survivor's remorse, a feeling of like I should have been there. I don't necessarily think she thinks it should have been hurt, but I definitely think she thinks, oh I should have been there, as if something could have been well, something could have been different. They both could

have been gone had she been there. Um, there's a number of things that could have been different had she been there, you know. So I think God put her exactly where she needed to be, and she needs to understand that you're struggling with that not being mere. Yeah, I wish I didn't go to Califora. Yeah, but God can do things. Do things because you told me when we first met, you were like, oh, this is my room and this is where a lot of bullets were, and I would have been in me Yeah, I would

have m wow. So I think we you know, we're winding down and I want to ask you, is about Kenny? I love me something I've seen him as, like, Kenny is our guys. You know, we asked as my son and I were talking about this, he was like, y'all, you know you want us to protect you. You want us to protect you want us to stand in the gap, you want us to do these things. He want to

tell about this issue, but in other things. And we both were saying today as we were preparing that Kenny did the thing that we asked our men to do, and yet they're using it to try to frame him as being the reason why, like Kenny shoot, he didn't fire a warning shot and did a one in shot and then they went and got to botch Warren. That happened first. But that seems like that's just not a part of the conversation. So how is that relationship? Um? So I love Kenny I think Kenny did exactly what

he should have done. Um. And I know that there's a lot of people who say they wouldn't agree, but they're also the people who've never been put in that situation. So um, But I think that also Kenny is having a hard time dealing with how that. You know, he thinks it's what if I wasn't there that night, Maybe I shouldn't have been there and this could have played out different. But for me, I think it's if he wasn't there, who knows what they would have done to her?

And he's the only person who can tell us any type of anything from that night because the police still hasn't done that, right, So he's the one. He's where you're getting the details about Brianna's last moment. Absolutely, that's just you know, and he's such a good guy, you know, he ain't love Brianna so much and now takes care of Jnia. I think they take care of each other real brother says Yeah. I mean, I wonder one day we will get to ask Kenny, you know, does he

feel is there any guilt in his heart? You know that maybe, like you said, maybe I just shouldn't have been home. You know, we're there with her that night. But I know we're proud. We're proud of the fact that he tried. He tried to protect his home, he tried to protect his woman, and what he did was not the reason why this happened. It was a part. They caused all of it, and he was a pleader. He had a role in what what took place. So

I don't know. You know, the last thing we want to talk about, which we already kind of touched on, is the online trolls, because I've had to call you and say to me, good, you cannot actually say the things you're thinking on the incidet are you gonna tell Denia? And you're doing it well because I'm her mother, don't do what I do. So that's but number two. And I still have a job as a mother to to to protect my kids. And I thought, she's not hearing.

I'm still going to protect her. I'm going to protect you. She was are naming and what she could have been. So yeah, sometimes I get caught up in those moments, but I don't think there'll be There'll be plenty of days I'll still get caught up because I'll never stop, especially the week of the settlement announcement. That was a tough week because people were just saying the most ignorant

stuff ever. We're gonna talk with your attorneys about that, um, But you know, one of the things that you did, and I think this is a note that we can end on, is that you were very adamant that the settlement agreement would not just be a settlement for money, but that they will also be reforms included in that settlement process. And I want to say that I'm really

proud that that's something that you focused on. And it also taught your family, your entire family, and the community in Louisville and across the country what it looks like to stand up not just for your own child, but for other people's children. And certainly it also means a lot for me in my own family. And I just I want to I want to know what was the mindset going into it, and how do you feel about

it now? You feel like you did exactly the right thing? Uh? Yeah, I definitely still felt like I did the right thing. And first the mindset, Hey, I felt I had a lot of those things been in place that wouldn't have happened to Brihanna, but I have to make sure that Jennia doesn't become a Brianna. So that's that was it for me. Yeah, so for me, right because because people just saw it right, and I just hate having me just saying this. The civil settlement had nothing to do

with the criminal case. Absolutely, there was no. You did not settle and say you have a gag order two where you cannot talk about this case and justice. The only people who think that are Facebook lawyers, lawyers. I mean, it's the worst thing. I go on Facebook and the like. She took the money, so she knew what she was gonna do this. They paid her all from like what are you? Where did you get where did you get this? Inbody? Pay you for your child's life? I mean, what's the

price tag for that? Yeah? Yeah, no, you know and and and we do get caught up in the comments, which I suggest if you don't talk to trolls, especially as Teslin for Good our Girls says, don't talk to people who have they not even give you their first and last name, even know who they are. You said, up, they're arguing back and forth with nobody in the air, making yourself Russians going out. I know, I know, because you want to give him your address. That's right about.

But you know, the issue you around the settlement piece for me was I've seen people get charges for the cops and zero dollars or one million dollars or you know, a very small settlement. I've seen people get settlements no justice. I've seen so many different scenarios, a little charges that are very light and a little bit of money. And so this idea that there's one model or one thing

we're trying to create that as we go along. We're trying to as you guys did, push the envelope receiving the largest settlement that anyone has received a black woman. Now we know that Corin Gains, which is another black woman who was killed by police in Maryland, that she her family has a settlement that is larger, but that settlement has been stopped in his tracks by the courts.

So we're talking about received in terms of I ain't in your pocket and in your business, but the paperwork is signed and the people are gonna get it done. And her situation, we don't know what's gonna happen. So today this settlement that you lall hack is the most historic for a black woman killed by police across this country. And you included reforms, policy changes that are specific to what happened here in the Brianna Taylor Cats and some

other things that community members wanted you to include. That's powerful. It's the it's the reform from me, and that's why you are going to be the leader up until freedom. We need organized as we need people who want to take on that role. One right now. Listen, you've been pushed into leadership. You've been pushed into this role, and I just want to tell you that you wear it with grace. You were with honor, with class. Since I've

met you, you have been a classy woman. You have wanted to say the worst things and you're taking it. You know when you speak, and you always speak powerful and you always and I know that Brianna is looking at both of you, and she's a legend and you

made her a legend. You you've made your daughter a legend because the way that you continue this work, the way that you stand in this gap, the way that you stand up and you stand with your show this straight, your head high, and you represent her, don't matter what they throw at you. It's just phenomenal. So I just want to say thank you, leg Sure, thank you all so much for doing this with us today. Thank you, thank you, thank you for having us and we love y'all. Right,

that's welcome back to street Politicians. This is part two of our series on Brianna Taylor. So we've been joined today by two people who I just love to talk to and hear from. Until freedom has been guided in how we operate around the true details of the Brianna Taylor matter, because Brianna Taylor doesn't have a case. To be clear, she never had a case in her life, so she does not have a case. She is not

on trial. But in the Brianna Taylor matter, the matter of her being killed, we've had to turn to these incredible attorneys and there's one missing, which is Attorney Benjamin crump Uh to get real true facts because this Kentucky. First of all, Limita, your hometown, UM and Lorsville specifically, things travel fast around here. People get messaging and things and whatever mixed up telephone game down here, and so there's all kinds of information that's out there that is

not accurate. So we've been guided by truth and facts by turning to Attorney Sam Agyar and Attorney Nita Baker, and of course our brother who is not with us, Attorney Benjamin Crump. So that well, we're out here speaking, that we're telling the truth. And even in two instances where people want to be um, you know, sometimes folks want to they want to they want pity, so they say, oh, she was sleeping in her bed when she was shot, and y'all have said, no, that is not true. She

wasn't sleeping. She was sleeping before the police knocked, and she heard a knock and she got up. So you guys have not tried to put out details that would just lend itself to your position, but just the facts. Don't need to embellish your story that's already so tragic, like we didn't need to embellish it right now, right, So first of all, how are you guys doing post

Daniel Cameron coming back? Which we we we we talked a lot in our segment with Jenia and Tomika Palmer about that phone call that you made, saying to the Attorney General's office to say, do not make this young this lady drive this mother drive a distance to hear something that we know it's not justice, true justice for

Brianna Taylor. And it happened anyway. Daniel Cameron's office allowed you all to be there in frankfort forty minutes to an hour away from UM from where you all live in Louisville, and I just want to know, like, you know, how do you feel. What's the human side of hearing that there was not only no charges related to Brianna Taylor, but that the only charges UM that have been that there was an indictment for was bullets that went into

a wall. No, we should hear from you first then, because you always want to tell Anita, you always us. We appreciate it, but we want to hear from so Lenita's got a great voice, and unfortun I've been through this before. So you know, last police shooting case that I had, UM vowed never to have to see a family go through that again, to have to go all the way down to meet with you know, a district attorney what you call down here. I think you mentioned

before we got weird names down here. But but to go meet with the d A and just have them, you know, looking in the eye and say, you know, there's no justice coming here. And do it nonchalantly. So we didn't want that to happen. Um for to mek

A Palmer, I mean, God bless that family. They're incredible, And to go all the way down to Frankfort to get that news, to find out that we actually got the news after the rest of the country got the news, because because by the time that we were actually in that conference room and you know, they were putting on their little show to try to show this foe sympathy for and everything, you know, it was after the rest

of the country already heard everything. And since then it's gotten so much worse because now you you know, you start to learn what was going on in that grand jury room. I mean, just imagine U twelve people today, the mayor says, hey, I'm gonna put you in a room. Um, we got James over here, we got Jessica over here, and we're gonna spend three days going with you. And then at the end you gotta tell us which one

needs to be our next police chief. And you go through and you learn all about James, you learn all about Jessica, and you're already starting to feel like the people the mayor's offices really wants you to pick James, but you keep asking all these questions and you keep learning things. Then on the last day, just imagine ten out of twelve of your are ready to make Jessica your next police chief, and the mayor walks in and says, hey, um,

time to vote. But you can only pick James. And if you don't want James, then you can just leave here right now, but you can't pick Jessica. So tim if you want to pick Jessica but you can't, and then you watch the mayor get on TV later and say, you know, the grand jury decided and we agree that

James should be our next police chief. Just imagine if you're that grand jury sitting at home, and then imagine if all of a sudden you see that that mayor had actually endorsed James previously, and that James had contributed to his campaign. That's what we're dealing with right now. It's a grand jury that just feels like they have been betrayed, in a country that feels like they've been betrayed, in a family that feels like they've been betrayed, and

it's been awful. I think for me just listening to that, the whole grand jeury process and the self is dangerous. You know when they make this statement about you can indict a ham sand which is based on that reality. You know, it's based on the reality if you show them something to say this is the only thing you can do, then what else do you have? The thing that that I do want to point out here though, is and listen to those grand jury tapes, this was

a damn good grand jury. They were asking to write questions, they were involved, engaged, but it's the prosecutors that were involved that tarnish the whole process. Explain that to us,

what does that sound like? Yeah, that sounds like the prosecutors involved, uh in presenting the case to the grand jury, they knew going in on Monday morning when that grand when they started presenting evidence that at the end of the day all they were gonna the only charges that they were going to present were they want endangement charges

against Brett Hankinson. So they put on the show of where you know, it's going to take us three days of presenting n evidence, grand jurors asking questions only for not the witnesses to answer the questions, but for those prosecutors to answer questions for the grand jury was to say, hey, we want to see all the body camera footage before the prosecutors say, oh, we don't have time for that. And in most states, in in Kentucky, the case is that the prosecutors are supposed to be advisors to the

grand jury. So if the grand jury wanted to see all of the video, prosecutors supposed to make even if it took the whole week, they're supposed to make time and let that grand jury see all of the video. Um. I have no doubt in my mind that if the grand jury had been presented with charges against all of the officers and homicide charges on behalf of Brianna, that there would have been indictment and indictment for all of them.

And you think so, I think so. Um. But not only that, I think that these grand jurors were deprived. If you know, we're here from us, Daniel Cameron, I want to turn over every rock and get to the truth. I think they were deprived of truths, you know. I mean, we've got good evidence capabilities these days, you know. Unfortunately for people if they don't realize that everything that you put on your cell phone, it's there. This grand jury

got no cell phone forensics. Brent Hankinson had a hundred and twenty phone calls and text messages within the six hours after this shooting. And this grand jury never even heard that this crime scene was tampered with so badly. And I think this grand jury picked up on that because you had evidence. I mean, what makes you think the grand jury picked up on it. It It was what

you heard. And then they were asking questions. You know, at one point you have a grand jury asked, Hey, that bullet that was in there, I didn't see that earlier. Where did that come from? You know? And ask him where's the blood that this was a femoral artery shot in the house, where's the blood at? So straight got

break a street levels. So if you shot in your artery, your femeral artery, which is in your thigh that area, there's gonna be a lot of blood, almost like when you watched scary movies and the blood's just squirting out. There's gonna be a lot of blood from one of those. There's no blood on the inside. The only blood inside of Brianna's apartment is from Brianna. There's none on the outside of the immediate outside of the door. You don't get blood until you get to the parking lot. Oh

you wanna yeah, you wanna go street politics. You know, let's let's let's put it this way. If Kenny Walker just, you know, without a doubt, shot John Mattingly, where the hell's the blood? Why does that bullet enter in the middle of his thigh and enterrupt you know, much higher? And how come it's a full metal jacket bullet that they're saying that shot John Mattingly When Kenny Walker's gun clear as day is shooting holoquints. And who puts a while what man puts a wallet in their front pocket?

So you know, there's so many things that this grand jury did not hear yet they were still ready to indict. And when you're Daniel Cameron and you're a prosecutor, just like Lenny has said, you were there to assist them. But if this grand jury at the end of the day says we want you to draft indictments, we want you to you know, educate us on what charges we

can pursue. A prosecutor can't just sit there and dodge it and say, well, you know, all you got is three counts of wanton endangement when you've got a body of twelve people, ten of whom I believe wanted to indict every single these offers, one of these officers four felonies and for more than just that. Um. So there's

a lot of explaining to do right now. But you know, mysign to make the biggest problem we have right now is that because Daniel camer decided to step in as the top prosecutor in the state, to get recourse here is difficult. It's not impossible. We don't have double jeopardy. So so again talking to everybody, always hear about double jeopardy, that doesn't apply here. There were no indictment, you know, there was not a no true bill and never went to a jury. So for me, so basically he just

circumvented the whole process. He made the jury that she they didn't even deserve that, you know, they they in court that the jury didn't even need to hear anything because in his mind, they weren't guilty of anything. Right, And the disappointing thing is that he put on this show as if he did as if he did, as if the grand jury made these decisions along with his offices, as they as if they were on board. Um from May until September, he made this whole show about, oh,

I'm doing my independent investigation. But when you listen to the grand jury recordings, a large percentage of it are the same interviews that the Global Metro Police Departments Public Integrative Unit conducted until you didn't do anything. It's worse

than that. I mean, you know, you got one officer interview that he gave the morning of the shooting, and he's talking about how Kenny Walker shot fifteen times, there's bullets going out everywhere, and how he saw Bret Hankinson walk up to the front door and shoot in there, and he says at three different times. Well, the Attorney General's Office doesn't want the grand jury to hear all

that because it doesn't fit their narrative. So they re interviewed this guy six months later, and they only play that interview for the grand jury. They do not play the interview, you know, from right after the facts. And it's just none of these officers turn in a full load out and so so you know, when they're counting their rounds, none of these officers I seen have the amount of bullets are supposed to have all these bullets

that are in this place. They only recovered half of the mill and p D did and they couldn't match some of them to any of these guns. And you've got so many other things going on, but it seems pretty damn obvious that Daniel Cameron made a political decision very early on that my allegiance and loyalty to this FOP to make it, just like you're talking about Trump's punning tended any justice that this woman in this family deserves.

And all that grand jury got to hear was twenty hours worth of whatever they knew would be enough to basically tell all of us, Hey, they heard a full case. And he just thought because of the grand jury secrecy that he'd be able to get out of there and say, listen, you know we put on twenty hours worth of testimony and evidence and witnesses. I'm sorry, but this grand jury decided not to indict. Thank you. Not to indict to

me is a lie? A lie? Right? It can't. You can't say someone decided not to do something that they would never it was never an option to do in the first place. And but I want to ask you so, is then because everybody's like what can we do? Right, So we want to talk about that, but before there is the issue of the one person who is the witness that said he did hear an announcement of police being on the other side of the door. And this

is important because what we're talking about. Folks have this idea that no knock warrants means there's no not That's not what a no knock warrant is. It can be. It could mean that they just show up, they don't knock, and they just break the door down and do what they have to do. But no knock has other elements, meaning that they don't have to announce who's on the other side of the door. Right, They have the right to enter without you understanding who is actually at your door,

right right. Okay, So when we say that they did not that they use a no knock warrant, what we're saying, or what I understand to be clear, is that they did not, which is what woke uh excuse me Kenny and Brianna up out of their sleep and other people because other people are saying they heard some banging. But when Kenny and Brianna approached she I think I heard him say kept saying who is it? Who is it?

Who is because we clear this is Brianna's apartment, right, So Kenny is there with her as her boyfriend who's there with her? But she's basically hello, hello at my house? Who the heck is at the door and there's no response from the other side based upon what Kenny said. And however, how many other three witnesses? So I said twelve somewhere that they I gotta getting stuff there. I've

so twenty three other people. So they didn't hear anything, but they have produced for the grand jury one person who y'all tell us about this, this person, but one person whose story is is different. His story is different. And that was the only witness I'm just making sure that was presented to the grand jury. Asked to whether or not the police announced themselves. Kind of okay, So, so what was bad about this is when Daniel Cameron got up in Grand Standard and said these officers knocked

and announced. He made a very good point. Under a law United States Supreme Court law, a no knock warrant means that you can just beat the door down and go right in. A knock and announced situation means you have to knock and announce. You can't just knock and beat down the damn door. You have to announce. This warrant had been converted to a knock and announced warrant,

so they were required by law. It was done that day, and it was done that day because had it been a no knock they would have had to score it differently and the swap team would have had to have been present. They wanted to hit that house for who knows what reason, but they converted it to a knock and announce. So where it's really important to me is if they did not announce, they did not comply with the warrant as it had been converted. To slow it all the way down, because you know, I'm, i'm, I'm

to do with little things. I need to understand you. Basically what you're saying is the no knock warrant has a different criteria. The no knock warrant means that you could just not You don't have to say anything, You just bust the door down and run in. It's more dangerous, definitely, with the knock and announce means that you have to knock and say it's us, the police before you enter into them it's more than that. You have to give them at least a reasonable amount of time to comply.

So it's not like you can just start banging that door saying you know, with that ram saying police search warrant. No, you're not giving them time. So yeah, because I see, this is a new detail every day, just by the way this case, every day a new detail comes out. I was under the impression that they were only then I did here's something about a conversion. I was like, I just can't, I can't. My brain just can't take anymore. So you're telling me that at first they had a

no knock all. They applied for a no knock correct that was approved, that was approved, and then something happens internally they converted it from a no knock warrant to it not gonna announce because they were like, in order for us to do this no knock thing, we gotta be able to send all these other guys we got to do. We don't have to. We can't do that.

So that's why one of the worms that that we negotiated during the settlement was that if you're gonna ask for a no knock warrant or what no knock warrants are being in Louisville. So but when you send in that warrant after day or the warrn after davit and the SWAP matrix, so that's a SWAT matrix is a form that officers have to fill out when they're going

to execute a search warrant. You get a certain score, you have to use SWADE or how in a middle score you have to consult with SWAT to see us what's going to and then if it's a lower score, you don't have to consult SWAT at all. So that's all the matrix is. Because they changed then from a no knock to not going announce allegedly after getting the no knock warrant approved. A lot of people SWAT was under the impression that there was not going to be

a warrant executed at Brianna's house. But what we wanted to do is you can't change once you applied for if you're supposed to have SWAT. And the reason we say swats because they they're accustomed to execute these types of warrants. They're typically they do it in a in a safer manner than officers not trained them to SWAP and so that's why. So now you have to get to feel out that you have to get that SAT matrix approved by a commanding officer before you even go

to a judge. So you can't just go call the judge in the middle of the night or whatever. You know, that's how we say, you call the judge in the middle of the night and say hey, I got a warrant and bringing them back and you sign all of these Okay, you know, it's very administrative, uh, in terms

of what we think the process is right now. And we've had judges to say that if you're not careful, you find yourself signing warrants like you're pushing paper and not really doing the work to understand what I'm signing here and how people's lives could be put into danger you know because of it. So now I just going back because I want to make sure what we're saying

is that once this warrant was conversed. So first of all, even if it had just been a no knock warrant, the premise that they used to apply for it for the AFFI David application whatever was always false because they were using the fact that there were suspicious packages going to Brianna's home and um and and that that made her house the track house, right, So that was always false with the post office, that no, no, no, And I thought the post Office said no once exactly, they

said no four times and said it in a way that was the last time, as far as I can see, was like, don't ask us again, because we're not getting involved with whatever it is you're trying to do. No no suspicious packages. Right, So that even if it was no knock, that was already botched that whole piece. Now we turned around and find out what I'm learning right here is that it got converted because at some point internally they were like no, swat, no this, no that, okay,

let's just do a knock and annax. So they went there and still twenty three people say they heard no one ounce Smith, including Kenny, who says he's I don't hear anything, and he calls the police on the police the Native and Sam once that you're good, you said, like you got the case, and well calls the polly do you have it at? So hello and you don't even say the police are here, saying you don't even say the police are here. We don't know why we're here, Kenny,

He doesn't say, well, I think there's cops outside my door. Okay, so that's the bottom line. Okay, Well, you know some people you gotta get because they get. So now let's talk about the one guy. Tell me about so the one guy. So you got Daniel Cameron getting up here saying these cops nothing announced. We've got this magic witness you know, says you know he was close proximity whatever

he lived, he's twenty three, lived just as close. So you got this one guy who doesn't speak very good English, who is called March twenty and on this phone call, which is recorded, you know you got the LMPD internal affairs. I try to use the words that everybody will know. You know, we got these fancy terms like but internal affairs calls him, basically says you know, hey, did you you know what was going on? What's your story? First of all, poor guy stories, all messed up. He says it.

SWAT's already out there by the time he gets outside. SWAT's not out there until fifteen twenty minutes after Brown is killed. But then they asked him point blank, did you hear any announcing? No, there was no announcing, you know, and then they reach out to him again, Hey, did you hear any announcing? No, there was no announcing. And then three months later they reach out to him again, and who knows what happened and who knows how they, you know, coordinated it. But at that point he says

he heard some announcing. We know from body cameras that afterwards, this guy, you know, he's there because he works late. His two year old daughters babysat there. He picks her up, puts her in his arms, and leaves, and we hear him on SWAT body camera, you know, basically saying I want to go home? Can I go home? And we're not even convinced that he went out into the hallway beforehand, because all of his story relates to after SWAT is

already unseen. He's saying, all the officers had uniforms, and we saw the big SWAT vehicle out there. So this magic witness, So basically, you're telling me that the magic witness on two prior occasions said that he didn't hear any of it here announce, and then the third time, monthsly, the magically he remembers that he did correct. And this is the witness that they had too to um corroborate

this story that they did not get announce. Now, just to throw something in though the grand jury did hear from all of the not all of them, but several other witnesses they out to hear interviews. All of them told the grand jury through interviews point blank, nah, there was no you know, there was no announcing. And this grand jury was a great grand jury. There is no way this grand jury was ever going to deduce that

there was These officers were announcing. But the problem is they didn't have any charges to and they weren't educated on self defense law or the concept of initial aggressor or the conversion to not you know, to knock and announce warrant. So Daniel Cameron's trying to make it sound like this isn't a big deal. This is a very

big deal. And yeah, and we know they weren't educated on self defense law because Daniel Cameron himself doesn't know the self defense because the things he said, because of things he said exactly, so could we we've heard, well, we heard that there were supposedly to other jurors. One juror has already got a lawyer that wants to speak up about you like you with the phone calls in Kentucky, because I don'tly know about once did there's another one.

I'm talking. Well, I'm just saying, I'm just doing my research. I'm checked. You know, you know that this another came forward so Wednesday, you know so, so I guess court here he's are going to decide, hopefully whether or not these Grand jurors are basically given immunity and protection to come out and speak their mind. And frankly, Daniel Cameron opened that door when he tried to put all this on them. They absolutely, in my opinion, have the rights

come out and basically set the records straight. As soon as that man decided to get up there and basically put it on them, they have the absolute right to say, how dare you? You never gave us the opportunity. It's gonna be interesting to see if Daniel Cameron takes back his word from last week, which wouldn't surprise me. Last week he basically said we're not going to stop these Grand jurors if they want to talk, basically gave them

immunity himself. But we'll find out about Wednesday if he's gonna hold true to his word, or if we're gonna get some sort of response that says, no, wait a minute, we don't want him needed more time to get the transcripts ready to put out, which you know, like you said, I saw on your Facebook post it was like, we want it done now. But you can understand why the judge would allow him to have additional time. And I think he asked for a week knowing that he would

only get a few days. But if he had asked for a day, then you know it wouldn't have necessarily worked out as it did. I called him a coward. I'm, you know, just gonna put it out there, and I'll tell you why. Wicked too. I called him, well, it was wicked to have to make upon major there. I called him a coward because he didn't tell her. He didn't have the gust of the charges. Weren't we're not

related to Brianna. He is a coward because he didn't have the nerve to get up there and tell the country we cleared these officers internally, and we didn't get the grand jury and opportunity to actually even deliberate on them, because you know what, as prosecutors we have the discretion to clear officers and know potential defendants internally, and we chose to do that. He tried to put it on the grand jury. That's no, we don't want to know. Let's take I want to know that this is politicians.

He's like to me, he's like to meet the PAM. But you got to call him all the time as they take that down, take that down, and we're getting a wrap. I can't. I'm gonna help you call him that. So can we talk about what's next because we're going to wrap it up. But people want to know, you said at the court here, we want to know this hope, right, We want to know this hope son. We want to

know that there's some hope. Okay. So we've been scouring through case law and speaking with former attorney generals and all of this, and there's some hope. But we need help, Okay.

So in Kentucky we got Kentucky Prosecutor's Advisory Council. There was a judge of wrote an opinion once who say a point blank and agreed victim like it to make a palmer in the situation if she feels like a prosecutor was unwilling or you know, incapable of presenting charges that you can actually go to this body and this body can rule on it, and if they agree, they have the discretion to a point an independent special prosecutor. It sounds like what we need, right, Daniel Cameron's ahead

of that Prosecutor's advisory Council. Oh, come on, all right. So so obviously we need to recusal. We need to really put pressure on these prosecutors to show that the courage to do the right thing definitely takes precedence and is more important than trying to appease the head prosecutor

in the state. It's about looking for potential prosecutors across the state that may be willing to actually say, hey, if this is a resource thing, I'd be willing to look into this, I'd be willing to take this on. So it's about identifying some people that maybe have the courage to say listen and you know, yeah, let me do it. I'll take it on um. And it's about putting pressure on Daniel Cameron to say, listen, you know you don't think I did my job, fine, I'll appointed

special prosecutor. That's a last resort if you ask me though, because then he gets to pick who he sends it to. And we've already seen how this political propaganda and system works. Do you really think he's going to send it to, you know, a Democratic prosecutor that really has the courage or Republican prosecutor. That wasn't fair for me to say that the prosecutor that's gonna have the courage to really

present to a grand jury. That's all we're asking for present and actually just giving the opportunity to die, and they do or they don't. And they do or they don't. And it would have to be a new brand jury. Yeah. Our grand juries are set each month, so it would definitely be a one a new grand jury. And we got the federal investigation. Let's not forget about that. I know, but but we want justice. Also want and that's a

Midnight at the Dark Street politicians conversation. They want to know, like, what do we do to make Daniel cam And pay for what he did in this situation? He didn't do his job, He wasn't professional. Um, you know, you guys have been saying that you feel like he was incompetent in many ways. I say that it was not incompetence to me, because I think there were other people there who knew what to do and that and that they

made a decision. That is just. I mean, he thinks he can talk to us like we're stupid, and that

to me makes me feel so disrespectful. So I guess elections have consequences, and the conversation that we've got to have as a community to bunker down and say, how do we ensure that if he ever runs for office, not just here, but anywhere that he would like to go, that we've put a stop on his tracks or in his tracks immediately, because he does not deserve to ever and to have this type of position, to have a position where this is a this is not uh that

he's you know, not just I don't want to say just. He's not the city council member, which is an important position as well. This is the attorney general prosecutor if you will, in the state. And we have no faith. This community has been broken and and broken by Brianna's murder, but beyond that, broken by an injust system that continuously perpetuates violence against our communities. And so we want to say thank you, thank you, thank you for what you

all are doing. This wasn't enough. Thank you for everything. Until freedom is do We have been such a blessing. We don't want we gotta go home at some point, but we this wasn't enough. We got to have these conversations because what we're gonna do is put this out and we're going to allow people to send us some questions of things that they want to know so we can come back and talk specifically to the audience about

things that they're trying to figure out. Hey, you never know, there may be some new prosecutors that are being groomed just because of Brianna Taylor. Yeah, we just want to We want to highlight because people don't know what to do. We don't know what the next stage is. So listening to you and you're telling us what it is. Whatever we can do with our platform to help that process, to educate people, to people in Louisville and let some of these prosecutors know we want them to step up,

you know, and hold these people accountable. That's what we want to do. So thank you, thank you so much. Thankank you both so much, and everybody until freedom, Thank you alute, Attorney Lanita Baser and attorney Sam Agyar have been with us today talking about Brianna Taylor. This is a series that we are doing on the Brianna Taylor matter. I'm not gonna call it Brianna Taylor case because she

does not have a case, never had a case. Uh. The cases actually should have been against four officers, Brett Hankinson, John Matten, Lee Miles Cosgrove, and Joshua James. Let's make sure we add the person who was responsible for the no knock warrant application process that did all the lion in the first place. That's the that's who have it.

That's the people who should have a case. Brianna Taylor is life, though matters, and so in the matter of Brianna Taylor, we're gonna be talking about this with a lot of people here in Louisville and across the country who have been a part of the efforts to get justice for her. You heard from her family, You've heard

from her attorney. Now we're going to be hearing from some of the state legislators who have picked up legislation in Brianna's name, some of the activists that have been on the ground, and we want to hear from you, Yes, we do listen. Once again, we might not always be right, we might not always be wrong, and we definitely don't always agree, but we're gonna always be a three politicians peace. That's how the