Beating the Ban on Black Studies

that this is my next life. I need to be with them because the first of all, they're hilarious and they're you know, they like still in their terrible twos, but they're so sweet. They said such nice things to me. The girls were like, you're pretty. And then the boys were like, well tell me what you do, and they were very in quick positive and it was just a great space. And I was actually with our family at gb n Y, which is an athletics store in Queens.

They sell sneakers and they always get the like top whatever, the freshest flyers whoever sneakers come out. You know, I don't know much about that, but they get them. And a lot of celebrities, including Jim Jones, who was there today with me at this event. They they are like a real exclusive place that a lot of celebrities go to and therefore they know they have a big responsibility. And today g the owner was talking about how much no matter where he goes or what he does, he

wants to give things away. So they teamed up with Adidas and gave away one hundred thousand dollars worth of sneakers to families and kids today in a school in Harlem PS one seventy nine. Super cool our guy, big brother, mister Footwork brought me into and had me to be there, and I was just like, these kids, this is I have to be with the kids because the adults, the adults is dropping. Adult team is different. But you know, we gotta protect the kids too, man, because it's crazy.

Oh yeah, speaking of crazy things going on with kids, um in Florida. In Miami, your Florida is literally off the chain. It's like, you know, they got the senses out there, man, crazy, but it's always been crazy, and

it's just crazier. Um. They had a daycare center and a bunch of white kids in the daycare center there with other children as well, black kids, you know, diverse group of people, the two year olds for Black History Month, the teachers decided to paint their faces black face, and then they took the photos from they didn't follow shot of the little two your old white kids with the black face, and put it on their social media accounts,

and of course the black folks lost it. I'm telling you, I was on the internet scrolling yesterday and I saw a story about daycare and black people pulling their kids out, and you know what I did, scrolled on past it as fast as I could, because I just didn't even know. I was thinking it was gonna be something, you know, something else, and I just couldn't deal with it. It's just too much. I don't even understand. I'm thinking maybe they didn't know they were doing something wrong. I don't

know how. You don't know in this era, in this day and age, that black face, that black people don't want it. We don't want it. It ain't no sign of you know, celebrate, We don't it ain't It's not okay. No black person wants you in black face. We don't want to say that. Some black people might. No, No, I don't know. Nobody wants it. We don't want it, don't want it. It ain't gonna work for you. Man.

Y'all don't want to give y'all don't want to teach, you know, black history, but you want to play paint black faces. It's so crazy. But that's why I said, I have to start changing my mindset, because if I sit with everything that's going on, that's just one boom boom boomom this that over everything, I lose my mind.

And I'm not trying to lose my mind. And people really do lose their minds, like this is a thing, like you know, as we start to get older, Alzheimers and all these things start to become a problem, as they call it, the all timers in our community, the all timers, and the and the dementia and all that stuff. You cannot be out here stressing yourself out every day

with what's going on in this world. And I'm convinced that they just have stuff bang bang bang bang bang all day long, so that you're so all over the place that you can't even focus on one particular thing. So therefore I have to believe that maybe they just I don't know, maybe they didn't know. Maybe they thought they were honoring or teaching the white kids what it feels like to be black. And I don't think it's right.

Of course, I'm being sort of sarcastic and even facetious, if you will, But I'm still just trying to see where the ribbon and the sky is that perhaps because if you don't want it, but we don't want it, but if you took pictures of it and you post it, you couldn't have thought it was wrong. Right, you don't want it, but we don't want it, Like that's the black mind. And and it's been proven because every time

somebody does it, they get the same reaction. So if you're doing this as a teacher, you know, and you you and you're a grown person in twenty twenty three, then you're not paying it. You're not reading the room, you're not paying attention to anything that's going on. You don't get it, you know what I'm saying. And and and in ignorance is not an excuse for for what it is. At this point, you're supposed to know, you know.

And that's just pretty much that it's weird though, vibes like totally weird though, And it's like, like you said, they don't want us to learn our history. And it seems that there's such a fascination still though with us, like they want to cast it out of society. Basically, they don't want you to learn about yourself. They want to kill you. They don't want anybody to fight or stand up for you. They don't want you to stand up for yourself. They don't want to treat your kids right.

They want to lock you up. They want to do all this, and yet and still they won't leave us alone. It like, you want, why are you painting these shows? You should never do that because you don't want them to be black. You don't even really want them to have an experience or understanding of what it is that we as black people are beyond enslavement and oppression, like we have so many other great things, and for some reason,

y'all just won't leave us alone. It's very weird to me, very very speaking of Bida, Florida and education, though, I'm really proud of something that we started working on recently. We've talked on the show a few times about the band on the African American Studies Class the AP course in Florida, where they put out a curriculum that I found to be strong, show it has holes. We talked about some of the things that I wish it had more titles addressing black men. You know, we talked about

some of the things. But what they teach now is damn there nothing. So the curriculum that has been built that teaches about prior to enslavement all the way through the Transatlantic slave trade and talks about the reparations movement, the movement for justice and the black lives not a movement, I mean it is extensive in terms of all the things that the new curriculum was proposing. Then it was banned, of course by the I think it was the board,

the curriculum board, or the education. There wasn't the or the education though, but there's a department that looks at curriculum. They were the first ones to strike it and say that the information was it went too far, and you know, they didn't feel that it was necessary curriculum and that you know, much of the information was not appropriate for these high school students. And of course Governor Desantest used that he was he was like, yep, they're with me.

You know, I want to thank them for seeing the issues. He talked about the stay woke movement. There's actually actual legislation in Florida to ban stay Woke and that whole concept of teachers and workplaces and others focusing on the woke movement, if you will. In fact, Governor Desantest said that woke Florida is the place that woke comes to die.

Like he said that, So those are his words. So there's a real attack, and you know, he was very excited and making sure that as governor, he doubled down

on banning the curriculum. So it went back to the committee that helped to design it, and they watered it down and now it's like, you know, it's cool, still better than it was, but it doesn't have the elements in it, especially when you're trying to teach black kids, African kids, and teach other communities about our struggles about you know, who we are and how we come into

relationship with this country. So we decided because when I was posting about it and talking about it, people were like, well, I would love to learn that stuff. I would love to take those classes. Do you know where we can get the information? Is this curriculum somewhere that we can download it? And a lot of people were asking. So

people asked and we listened. We heard that we understand the necessity to make sure this information gets out there, and that one of the ways we combat in addition to protests and all of that, but one of the ways that we have to fight back against the the the UH, the intention to whitewash history is by providing

it and teaching it ourselves. And so Until Freedom has announced in this week tomorrow actually will be the first day that folks will get an opportunity to participate in a six weeks, six week course where we're going to actually be having instructors and professors to come in and teach much of the material that was in the ap course and also just material that even goes beyond that. So nope, dope, dope. What is it called. It's called You're gonna learn today, not today. Yeah, you're gonna learn

today from Until Freedom's Academy and throughout Academy. Just for folks who may not know, it is an area within Until Freedom Out organization where we teach people about a lot of things. We teach them about protests and you know, help train folksman. We were in Louisville, Kentucky, living, we trained hundreds of people to get ready for a protest

and civil disobedience. Um, you know, we really try to focus on helping people to educating them on protest movements and the strategies and also the safety measures that have to be taken into account and then what happens after a protest. And so our academy is fully functional. We do a lot of work with it. But this is a new area where we're going to be specifically focusing

on African and African American history. Six classes. You can sign up where you would pay two hundred and forty nine dollars for all six classes, or you can get individual classes for sixty five dollars and instructors are amazing. So yes, that's what I'm looking for. I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna learn that, ain't you know? On a much more painful and just a sad, sad, sad, sad terrible. Every time it happens is more terrible than the last time.

And we just are living in a place, in a society, in a time where anything can happen at any moment, and you know, you say why me when the bad things happened, But the question then becomes why not you, because if it can happen to somebody else, it can certainly happen to you. And the tragic shooting that happened at Michigan State, and we're talking about education, people in a classroom trying to get their education. Students were killed

by a man, a black man by the way. I think he was forty three years old, went into to the school. They still have not been able to find any connection between him and Michigan State. He went into this school shot at least eight people, or at least they say that eight people were injured in the shooting, so that could be that somebody fell down the stairs or broke their leg or whatever. So we haven't heard

all the details of the injuries to each individual person. However, to see that, you know, when the doctors were on the news speaking about the incident, the doctor started crying, so God only knows what they saw and just the emotion. It's just too much. It's too much for everybody first responded, first of all, the people in the shooting, then the people watching it on the news, the students in the windows watching and running, the first responders, the doctors. It's

too much trauma all around. But there were three fatalities so far, hopefully no more. A young brother by the name of Brian Frasier, young lady Alexandria Werner, and then Ariel Anderson. Ariel Anderson is the niece of a friend to us and until freedom and that is reality star Delicious. And you know again, fifty thousand plus students on a campus. Ariel gets killed and all these three, these three individuals get killed by this man. And your family has to

be saying, why my child? You know, why my child? But then the answer is why not your child? Because it could be anybody. It's just so crazy, man, that you're sending your kid to college as a as a black person. You know what I'm saying, You work hard, whatever you have to do. You want to provide your children with an opportunity to have a better life than you did, right, so you know, just just knowing how

that just trying just identifying with that in itself. You know that you you think I didn't send my kid to college. She's good, she's in good hands, she's a good person. And you get a call there's some psycho person then took this little baby's life. Man, these kids life and it's just it's it's it pains my heart to even think about that. You know, our kids are just not safe anywhere. Nowhere can we go that these babies are safe, man, And you know, it's it's my

heart goes out to the family. You know, it really pains me to even just just fathom that. Man, I don't I don't even know what that looks like. And you know, when we've seen um delicious trying to find a young girl that was even worse the whole world got, you know, like trying to find like did anybody here from anybody? It didn't to find out that she lost a life. Man. You know, my my candoless goes out

to the family. It's tough. It's really tough. And you know, I know, obviously we would not take away from any one of these people who have been harmed, injured, and those who are deceased at all of the matter, they equally matter. It's terrible no matter who it is. And we want to make sure that people know that Ariel hurts because we know her family, you know, obviously we know her aunt, and of course it is for that, but it also hurts. We can't ignore it. We can't

not talk about it. It hurts because it was a black man who went into that school and shot this young black girl studying to be a pediatrician in her classroom, trying to do the right thing, and we can't act like that does not have a particular sting it is. He shouldn't have, because every time there is a mass shooting, no matter who is the perpetrator of it, I'm hurt, bleeding,

can't believe it. It takes me into trauma and depression because it's terrible, and it just so happens that this week we went from the shooting in Michigan State grieving with our sister Delicious and her family and of course these other families, and then watching in the same week the Buffalo shooter be sentenced after he shot our elderly people and other family, other black folks, and by the way, didn't shoot the white man that he pointed his gun towards,

right He did that, and we had to watch those families stand in and address him and try to pour out their hearts about how much it hurt. And he had the audacity to say, I wish I could take it back, but I can't. I wish I didn't do it. It was a terrible thing. And the and the families just like, are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? And they should have let the man that was trying to charge at him whoop his ass. They should have just got out the way and let that happen.

Didn't get a little whoop whoop ass man, Listen, I would have paid put some money on his books. Man, whoop his ass. And I'd to put some money on the man's books. Man. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. There's people like, well, that's not the answer. That's the answer. Man should be a to whoop somebody's ass that takes a life of love, innocent person that he at least could get an ass. So that's not the answer. What are you talking about? It's too much,

it's too much. And I it just was. It was a rough week watching all of that happen in one week and knowing that, you know, it used to be an area that we weren't as much of, we weren't victims of, even though you know, we think about like the Sandy Hook, the young lady from Sandy Hoo, it's a young white girl. She was a Sandy Hook as a kid and survived that. And now she's a student

at Michigan State and has now survived this. So even if, even if, even though she maybe a lot breathing physically well mentally, she never even got over the first trauma. But she was so little and now here we took about twenty whatever years later, and now you're in college and it happens again. She's never going to be right. And so we greed as a society, all of us greed about Sandy Hook, and you know Columbine, and the list goes on in so many lists I can't even

bring them up. But now our own people are participating in and becoming victims of this, and that goes to show you, which is why we've always said the gun violence fight is not a fight for one community or one group of people, because it happens to us. We see the LGBTQI a community suffering. Just recently the Asian community. There was a shooting that happened there where people died.

This thing is spreading and moving into every community. When black folks, who may who we may not have as many people dying at one time in a school in a building in one place, right, At one point, you didn't have that. But we were saying that mass shootings was twelve people getting shot in Chicago and one night in Harlem, a shooting that took the lives of three people on one summer night. For us, that was mass shootings.

And we were saying the world needed to rally together and stand up and fight against it, and provide resources and deal with mental health and deal with these issues. Nobody listened to us when we said that. People didn't see it as being a big wire, just thugs and just you know. And now every community is dealing with its own form of mass shootings and violence that's out of control, and I just I don't want to live

in that world. It's it's crazy, right because we see how how guns are just rampidly affecting every like you said, every community. And the fact that there are still people who don't even want background checks on guns, right, the fact that they're not even afraid that the gun can get into the hands of the wrong person who would take kids lives. They don't even want no level of accountability.

It's crazy to me. I've seen now that they're they're proposing to enter a bill where guns will have trackers on, you know what I'm saying, and things like that makes sense to me, Like, it's no way because I mean because if if the gun is not tracked, if you're giving people's licenses and all that shit, anyway, you're tracking everybody else doing everything else. You can't walk outside without your eyes is being take face to recognition and everything.

So why not putting on guns that's taking more lives than anything in this world? That's a face where you should be the most responsible as you've ever been in your life, as exactly. And people should be held accountable, and people should be able to be monitored they have guns.

People should have mental health checks. Type of shit need to go into when you're when you're putting a weapon, allowing to want to have a weapon, there should be a level of accountability, a level of um research, you know, a level of mental all these things. We need to be sure that the person that you've given this gun to it's not going to go out the engine shoot people. Man. So I don't know, I don't know why anybody would

keep pushing back on that. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't even want to talk about the legislative piece, because they we always get the prayers and well wishes and everybody is so sad, but they don't move on it. And I, you know, I believe that they're there. I believe in the conspiracy theory that I don't think is

a conspiracy. I think it's a theory that there are people in this country that are afraid to put their guns down and to have true gun control because they want to be able to have access to weapons in the event that they are part of insurrection type of behavior. Right, they have a war plan, and a part of their war plan is their weapons. Every army needs its weapons to be able to fight, right, and they have an army that the NRA, the gun companies and others are

part of. And if there's too many regulations, those regulations also will affect them because you can't have black people having to do get background checks Latino people, and then you don't have to do it for rifles, so they need to leave it open. The other part of it is they know, as long as they can get access to guns in our hands, will do most of the killing against ourselves unfortunately, So there's a whole war plan. Nothing that is happening that is happening in society is

just because just you know what, you call it random. No, it's all very strategic, and we just better know that. We better know that. I was going to talk about something else today, and we're gonna be having our guests come on soon. Then I'm gonna do a whole lot on an experience that I recently had with and I kind of you know, it's been a month now, a little less than a month, but I haven't really talked about it one because we've been busy and so much was going on, and it was vacation and a lot

of things going on. But I want to talk about these apps. Airbnb was the one that I had a particular issue with, but I want to talk about the ass the ubers and all these apps and how now that these acts have been created to provide quicker ways to make reservations, to eat, you know, to get deliveries and all of that, the customer service aspect of it is going away completely right, there's no customer service being upheld or or or or actually being um If there's

no customers, yea mandated, but I'm looking forward that. In other words, there there is there's no attempt, no intention at true customer service because the app is taking the place of human interaction. And the problem with that is that on one side, right, many of these apps, they're

making incredible money, incredible money. Over is making incredible money, right, all who eats, they got all these things, you have, all these different delivery services, Airbnb is making money, and the people who are spending money are not getting the service that they need in terms of the customer service

that's necessary so that they have a good experience. And that is something I was on the phone doing something with my remote control and my cable company, and by the time I went through a few prompts and what they're asking me to do, I already did. I changed the batteries, I did this, I did all of that. I need somebody to get on the phone to hear one of this. And I'm going through and by the time I wasn't able to select any of the things that they only specifically want to talk about. It cut

me off. It just that was it. And that type of behavior is happening in multiple areas, you know, with scum today and they was doing the same thing to me. They tell you what you want to talk about you try to talk to them, and then they said, all right, well call back later and just disconnect you. And then you're on the phone for four and five hours. Last week, I got a fucking boot on my car for registration, and they telling me all of these steps to go through.

I finally get the steps, I go through all of them, and it's like there's a setup because they tell me somewhere on my registrations. So by the time I get the registration field, they won't give me the copy of the registration to send. Then they wait twenty four hours and then they know by the time they send you the copy of to send to them that they can tow your car. So five minutes before they sent me the copy of the registration, the people don't told my car.

So that's another one hundred and fifty dollars that you got to go to get you to your car from the total. Like this ship is all a game they wanted. They have a strategic plan to figure out how to inconvence you and how to keep getting your money. Absolutely, so you know, I want to tell my story about what happened at Airbnb or with Airbnb and a particular company that I rented from and stayed in this particular property,

this property management's space or whatever. But I think that more needs to be Like I actually want to dedicate ten minutes of my life because that's about all I have every week to focusing on customer service and how much of it we are losing and the problems that's happening with different companies. And I'm going to solicit friends and other people so that they can tell their stories as well, because I think we're being taking advantage of and you know, I don't like to be taking advantage

of it. I don't mind spending money on a product that I love or a service that I love, because you know, I believe in luxury. I want I want everybody to live a luxurious of luxurious life, and I know I try to do everything. It may not be, you know, I don't know whoever's life. It ain't Michelle Obama luxury, but it's Tamke Mallory's luxury the way I can create it for myself. And I want services. I want things to be clean, I want people to be kind,

I want things to be done on time. I want there to be a phone number to call, or at least a quick response to things when you're having aallenges. I just and I don't think what I'm asking for is something that first of all, most people are not asking for as well or desiring. And I also don't think that it's something difficult. I think the problem is that we as a as a society are allowing this to happen because we want convenience and we're just frustrated

by ourselves. But we actually could organize, you know, we could actually come together and organize so that people start knowing that they can't just do us any kind of way. So I plan to do a full thing. My experience with air being you do want it right, you want to discover right, absolutely, so it's time for us and and oh oh wait, well I gotta give my thought of the day on that. My thought of the day is, don't never underestimate a woman that has been frustrated it

by something and then has a plan. Because I promise you that this intention that I plan to put into this particular part of my advocacy is going to move from point A to point B because I'm not going to stop, because I just am not going to allow people to rob me, people to you know, just step on on me and not just me. Let me say something, my son to me. Yeah, I can fight for myself. But I know there are people out here that are intimidated about writing the email or in the chat to

try to get somebody to respond to them right. They don't feel like they're able to articulate the problem right the way that you and I may be able to do. There are people out here that are working and don't even have the time. They just need to get somebody on the phone to give them information about whatever they're

looking for. There are people out here, elderly people, elderly people that are being abused and taken advantage of because they don't have the skills necessary to go and get online and fill out a thing and click a thing and wait for a thing and set up an appointment for a time to speak to so and so, and then you know have the type of situation like the

one that I have with Airbnb. So you know, my thought of the day is how long will we allow this to happen and how far are we going to allow it to go before we say nah, these companies, If we're going to continue to invest in you. You have to make sure you have the necessary things in place to take care of the people that's keeping you in business. So that's my thought in the day. Well that's the thought and that's the word. So in some positive news, you know, I was I went to do

a panel, a Black History panel in your church. Back to church Mount Vernon, didn't. I did a Black History Day panel with my brother used to salam And and William Wagstaff, excellent civil rights attorney out there and we did a beautiful, beautiful um conversation and uh it was. It was hosted or moderated by Priscilla Etchi, who's always doing a lot of positive things in the community. If you don't know who she is, you definitely need to tune in with her. The wonderful Mayor Sean Patterson was

there and I love her to death. And I was honored. You know, they gave me, they gave me some citations, they gave me some proclamations, and I also got a national day February thirteen. Well it's my own day. It west Chester County February thirteenth. It's my song Lanning Day. Man. So I was really honored. Yes, I love it. Man. Thanks everybody you know who was there. You know, it's

my first one, first day. I'm moving on up. Let me just say it has to be something prophetic about you getting an award, you being you, receiving a day, the National Day. I love it. I don't care. We're going with it. It's a national day Mount National Mount vernon Um, New York. That you receive. You got that at my church, and my church is a place that the spirit of the Lord is in that church. The work that has been done on me and so many lives across the Tristate area, and the work they do.

It's a social justice ministry. So this church is not a church that is you know, just on Sundays. It's open seven days a week. They feed the community, they're marching in protests, they have panels, they have young people active, they have college scholarships. Our church is a five star church. My past doctor W. Franklin Richardson is my best friend in my heart. And for you to receive that type of honor there and I didn't even know you were going to be there. You told us afterwards like, oh

I was at your church. That to me is it just means so much because I know that they wouldn't have given that award to you in that building and and and doctor Howard um the mayor, They wouldn't have gave it to you if they didn't feel like and see the work you do and how hard you really really go at it every day for our people. So congratulations, Well thank you, thank you man, little old me man shout out to use off and and um and um William Wagstaff as well. Man. It was. It was a

dope day. Ah, I same. All right, we got a good guest coming up. We're gonna go back and talk about some Florida issues and what's the struggle for our education supposed to look like. So friends again, we bring our friends always always right, you know they I bet you people Hey they talk about that like, oh they always have their friends on their Yeah. But that's what we're supposed to. But that's why we gotta show so we can interview and talk to the people that's our

friends that we like. I don't want to interview talking people I don't like. You can do that in a difference. You don't mind that you get on your Instagram page and go live and get the fighting and carrying on and talking to people you don't like. I don't have a lot of time in my life available for people I don't like. I need to build with people. That's doing something in folks that you know, we can continue

to express ideas. Don't have to be the same idea, but we certainly can can can can you know, spar with one another and positivity. I ain't. I ain't trying to argue with people all day on the internet. That's not my thing unless it's in a comment section. But that's a whole other thing. But this friend is not just a friend or any friend or the kinds of friends we talk about that you know, it's a wide group of or a large group of people who we

consider to be our friends on street politicians. This is actually my friend, my brother, my friend, my dear friend, one of my best friends in the whole wide world.

We've been on the battlefield and you know, spiritually connected for a long time, and you know, and I think, what is really really what makes me feel sort of like emotional about our friendship, our brotherhood and my relationship with him and his wife and his family is that they have watched me grow from where I started in the movement a while back when I started coming into my leadership to now, and I have also watched the growth of this family stepping into leadership in Florida, and

so today I am so so, so, so so excited to have with us Bishop Rudolph McKissick. And Bishop McKissick is on the board of National Action Network, which is where I met him as a board member, and he also is the senior pastor of Bethel Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, which I just learned in the last few days happens to be the oldest Black church in Florida. Like, this is history, historical stuff here, my good friend and brother. So Bishop mckissa I am stumbling over that because I'm

just so used to calling him Rudy. Thank you so much for joining us on street politicians. Welcome, Welcome and welcome. What's up? Queen, what's up? King? Call me Rudy. Please don't be all this bishop stuff. Don't be doing that on here. You do yeah, you know, man, you know, she you know, you know, you know a real well why do y'all? You know, when your friends talk about you, they say things that is not actually being stated, But basically what they're trying to say is that I'm a

little off. That's what they're saying, just a little so, Rudy Bishop, my brother. We always are in the middle of a fighter. It's always a battle happening, and it, you know, it hits us in different places. I mean, we've got our other brothers and sisters out here. You got Freddy Haynes, our brother out in Texas. You got Jamal Bryant, our brother who's in Atlanta now, was in Maryland. You know, We've got family in so many different places around the country. We were get in trouble for naming

them all. But in all of these different spaces, we find ourselves having to come together to fight against the powers that be that are trying to oppress our communities, trying to in some way disrupt our peace and put us in the midst of struggle. And now we find ourselves in Florida having to deal with this attack on

our education, a whitewashing of our history. They started out around critical race theory around this country and bought it all the way to the real thing they wanted to do was to make sure that in the high schools and some of the younger students would not learn about the history of our people. And you have been one that I saw you immediately Nope, can't have it, got

to shut it down. You have been telling me for the last year or so that Governor the Santist is a major problem and that people needed to focus and now we are seeing just how bad it is. So tell us what exactly is going on in Florida and then what you all have done something last week? You guys had a big rally and what is the purpose of that, what's the goals? And you know, just give us an update as to what's happening. Yeah. Well, first of all, man, I'm glad y'all's podcast is dope, like

for real to me. I don't even know if I told you that before, but I check it out and it's really really dope. So I'm just glad to be on here, you know, chopping it up with y'all. So, you know, run the Santist is doing everything he can to run for president. So everything that he's doing has a bigger, bigger agenda to it, right, and what he's doing is real interesting, it's very strategic, and it's slick.

For instance, you know, he came out with this whole thing against the AP course, and he tried to claim it was because it had things in there about gays that you know, that's his word. And watch how he got us all focus. So now he's got these black folks who are ultra conservative religious over here saying, well, you agree with him because you got the gays in there,

and they're missing the forest for the trees. Because while we over here arguing that he's right on this issue, he's over here now telling public schools cover up all the books. I'm making a list of approved books. I'm sending a media specialist in to make sure the books follow my criteria. They took out while we over here focusing on, you know, what we don't like about gays, using his word. Again, we're missing what he's really doing over here, right, They took out a book on Rosa Parks.

They took out a book on Hank Aaron. It took out a book on Roberto Clemente. So he's not you know, while we're focusing on this AP course and all of that, he's over here trying to change our history, trying to rewrite it. And he claims he doesn't want children to feel uncomfortable. And my thought is maybe they need to be uncomfortable, so you know, if they're uncomfortable, maybe it'll lead them to join us in the struggle. And maybe they need to be uncomfortable because their comfort is because

of how our ancestors were uncomfortable for years. So you know, he's slicked with what he's doing and he's getting He's got us, believe it or not, divided because we're fighting over something that we shouldn't even be fighting over. First of all, you know, and as I said in the march on that Wednesday, look, ain't nobody elect you to be pastor, you're elected to be the governor. This ain't church, This is a state. So he's trying to use our state as his test lab to see how we respond.

And I said it, you know the Don Limmon on CNN. We want the country to see that what they got on a micro level in Florida is what they'll get on a bigger level if he's allowed to run for president and become the president. He is, he's vengeful. The latest thing he did me tell y'all what he did when he got the pushback about the ap course of black history. He came out that Monday and said, well, I tell you what, We'll just cancel all the AP classes.

We won't do anything with the college board. He always responds like a child, you know. And so he's trying to redact our history. And as I said that the mic that day that the talking point they're using is they're lying, they're dishonest because they say that we don't want black history, and I'm saying no, ain't nobody ever say that. What we said is we're just not gonna let you tell our story your way. Right, that's not what we're gonna do. You don't get to tell our

story your way. And even if we go with what he said, I looked it up, only eleven of the sixty seven counties in Florida are even enforcing black history, and ninety five percent of those eleven that teach it only it in February. So it's it's a you know, it's a lot that he's doing. But he's doing it all to throw red meat to his base so that

he can run for president. And I know that, and I say this every day, but there are so many of us who don't get it right, and they're grabbing to you know, the gas light and the talking those one things. What do you think that was going to be effective strategy? Because I have black men every day that come to me, Oh yeah, that's what they're trying to do this and that, And when you're having these conversations with them, they don't, like you said, they're not

looking at the forest from the trees. So what do you think it's going to take for our strategies to properly inform and strategize and move our people in the right direction? Man? I think we've just got to keep talking it. We've got to keep reinforcing it until people here, and we've got to peep their strategy, I think, and dissect it, like, for instance, the whole piece about you know,

the lbgd q i q i A community. So you got these conservative Christians Black who are so distracted by their theology over that that they're missing what this is really all about, and that is the disenfranchisement of black minorities lbgt q i A and the rewriting of our history. We've got to just keep dissecting what he's doing, see his game, and call it out to our people. I had I had a conservative black preacher come at me, you know, trying to say to me, well, man, how

are you agreeing with that? You know, when he's trying to say that it had homosexuality. And I said to him, I said, my brother, let me listen to you everything he's done. And by the time I got done, he was like, oh, I didn't look at it that way. Yeah, you're right. I think that's what we've got to keep doing. And then we got to hit them where it hurts. Man. I made a comment at the rally, if you don't

want our story, you don't want our students. And I threw a hypothetical, and it's kind of catching with some people. What if every d one athlete win in the transfer a portal and decided they were going to go to a school that wants their story. You know, we gotta throw some things out there that will get their attention because at the end of and I know y'all know this, they don't care about us marching. They could care less because they know, at the end of the day, what

we do is march. What we don't do is strategize. So even if a march had them say, all right, come to the table, what you want. Hell, we don't. We don't know what to tell them because we get hyped. But we don't sit down and strategize with each other. And I think that's what we got to start doing. And some do some people, you know, because we make sure that when we are in the midst of protest movements that we do strategize on what is the larger goal? Right?

But I get your point that it is not enough of it and it's not collective because what happens is that you'll have clergy doing what it is doing, which is important bringing out folks, trying to have inter faith, because that's one of the things great things about the rally was diverse. You had a lot of different types of people there, So you'll have clergy doing that. You'll have the activist community doing its own thing, which is

also necessary. Then of course you have the education community and other elected officials, and we will be sort of splintered. And what strategy looks like it's having all of us working together and having a collective focus on like what are the ship points, how do we support one another, and then what is the ultimate end goal? And I think that this is because as you to your point, one let me say it is not just our history

that they don't want us to learn. They don't want their history to be taught, right, because the history does not belong to just one side. In fact, you don't get from being kings and queens and having our own land and having our own religion, our own culture in on another continent to building America unless you tell their story too. You have to right that. He says he

doesn't want kids to be uncomfortable. Well, I'm very uncomfortable knowing that my niece who's in high school is learning that Christopher Columbus was some type of you know, genius and then he was some type of hero. I'm uncomfort people with that. And we know that Christopher Columbus was actively engaged in enslaving Yes Africans, right, So it's uncomfortable all around. If you want to make some changes, let's

look at the whole history. How can you teach about your queen, Queen Elizabeth and her and not tell the story of her lineage, But then you don't want to teach about our queen Rosa parks like, come on, let's let's be serious here, And that's to your point. We got to talk straight and make sure we break it down for our people. But to circle back to the lgbt QIA position, First of all, I support I know

you do. We support the lgbt lgbt qi A community, and I don't believe that we as black folks can participate in trying to hold anybody back or block any other community with all that we've been through. I say that all the time. However, when you look at the curriculum, the curriculum was this wide, and there's this particular piece that is specifically in the area about the current state of the movement because you gotta read look at the how the history builds up. They don't have the part

about the lgbt qi A community. Even in the earlier civil rights movement, where if you want to talk about James Bollwing and and all those then at that time who were actually a part of that community, you could start the story there. They didn't. It is in this particular time, this context of what's happened in the movement today.

You're not telling the true story in the movement if you don't include that, because that's a real thing, right, we can't do the race, you know what, I'm saying to the story of how this whole thing is progressed. So we gotta be smarter than to be in our emotion about how we feel personally about people and issues and whatever. And we have to look at in fact, the people who created the curriculum would have been doing a disservice not to include pieces of it that exists

within the struggle of today. That's like talking about the family, and because you don't like somebody, you don't say they live in the house. You tell the story of the family, and now you just leave the one person out. That's just not it's not real just because you don't like it to agree with it, but none of us might like it, but we can't say that the person don't lived it. That's just the reality of the situation. That's that's what history is, is telling the true story of

what's going on. Yeah, and for me, you know, we gotta stop trying to wrap our activism in our theology. Here's what I mean by that. You know, so you've got a theological position over here that is anti inclusion, right, but this ain't about that. And if this is going to be about activism, and if this is going to be about personhood and being. That can't be your starting point. And that's my argument even to some preachers, that can't be your star point. We're not arguing about them about

people coming to your church. We're arguing about people having their right as citizen. And you know, we gotta learn how to separate that. And until we do, we're going to forever allow something that shouldn't even be on the table to be on the menu. That's right devisive, But you know, to make the other reasons. Okay, here's the real elephant in the room, mysa, And here's the real deal why we can't come together because negroes always want

to get the credit. So the preachers don't get together with the activists because we're worrying about credit, or were worrying about who church they don't go to, or are they with the nation? Are they even a believer at all? We you know, we're putting stuff in the mix that's keeping us from getting together, and we worrying about whose name gonna be on it, you know, especially pre whose name's gonna be on it. You know, who's gonna get the crack. And we can't come together for our people

because we are more selfish than we are selfless. I mean, let's just keep it real. I mean, let's just keep it one hunted, Tamika, You and I know this. Yeah, period, It's really unfortunate that they keep using the same playbook and we keep falling for it every time. And the thing is, we're so powerful united. I watch so many different like I'm a fan of just leadership. I'm a

fan of power, you know what I'm saying. I see a bunch of men and women, powerful people that I just always be like, why they why we can't always be together? Why can't we all move as one? You know? And that's the thing that's that's keeping us separated. And they don't know that. And in every other culture seems to find a way to have their powerful leadership and the people who have the resources come together for one

they seem to figure out how to do it. And I just it blows my mind that as Blacks, we have not been able to do that. It just really blows my mind. Well. Yeah, so, while you know, because I agree with you, I agree one hundred percent, but

I need to push back for this purpose. We do know when to come together, right or we know how for things that matter to us, right, and even if you think about the way we use our voting power, right because without the black vote, both male and female, both women and man, because they can say what they want that black men don't show up. Black men are number two behind black women in most elections, particularly things

that impact us on a federal level. Right, we got a lot of work to do locally because locally, it's a disaster everywhere. And that's not just black men and women are just black men, is black women too, because we our turnout rate in local races is down to so low. People don't even have to campaign to be able to get elected. They just show up once or two times here it is, and the numbers are going to be so small they could really literally win by

two or three people. And so that is that's a disaster. We have to do way better there because on a local level, a lot of this stuff is where it begins. Right. Governor DeSantis is a local elected official, whether you want to believe it or not, because he's in Florida and he probably I don't know his history, but I'm sure he went through steps he was he must have been something before he became governor. He just run for governor

and become governor. So there's a history, and there are other people in the pipeline that will help him to lay out and carry out his mission because he's got council members and he's got other you know, elected offices and people in positions of power who are helping to push his agenda. So locally we gotta do much better. But we do show up and we know how to vote. What we have a problem with is what you are saying, my son, and also Rudy, is this idea of what

you do after you voted. That's where we gotta get We gotta come together on that point because depending on who the elected official favors, we will either check out or we start fighting with the person. Oh so and so went to the White House, or so and so got invited to this, and they was in the meeting, and my son's talking to the mayor and this and that. Then it ain't nothing. They in the system instead of us coming up with strategy for some of us are

getting invited to some places. So we got to go in there with the right talking points. If we don't, then you challenge us. Then there are people on the outside pushing as well. And I think that is what we have to focus on more. We know how to move,

but we don't know how to maintain and sustain. I think that's in Florida that's going to be critical, you know, and and a and a big What we've learned, and I have to tell you Rudy, because you've been doing this stuff for a long time, but what we've learned is that the relationship building, the community building, Yeah, it's almost more important than fighting the target right right, Because when you think about the Brianna Taylor movement, and my

son can attest to this. Yes, we had our you know, strategy for Daniel Cameron, and we had our struggle with the city and the police department and all of that, but if we did not invest the type of time that we put into building with that community, we could have done any of the Yeah. Yeah, that's where we where we lack is in relationships building community you know.

And you know, one of the things I said the rev after we finished the march and we went to chill and I sat next thing, I said, Okay, what's next, like because we we we gotta, we gotta, we gotta come up what our next thing is to move towards our goal. This can't just be the march and we in the media because the way the media works now, in twenty four hours, they on to the next episode. In the words of you know of it's gotta be

more than just a news cycle. Well, because because you gotta march and the shooting at Michigan State and another shooting that happened after that, you think so much. Even the media, you know why, we have to hold them accountable. Even they can't keep up. They an't gotta have hours in the day to talk about all the stuff that's happening across this country, not to mention our foreign uh,

the things that's happening from a foreign perspective. Right, it's great, like we people are not even focused on the fight that's happening all across the world that's impacting us here. Inflation is not just because we're trying to recover from COVID. We are also fighting wars and in battles and in situations that's causing goods to rise, causing travel to rise, oil to rise. This is some serious shit. So sorry, it's some serious stuff, you know. Anyway, I know I'm

running my mouth. But I just I just feel like we better have, we better be, we better be. And I'm not talking about we as in mister Johnny who lives in Jacksonville on a on a nice street somewhere, because that's too much for him to bear to have to think about all these things. We talk about leaders, people who have the wherewithal, that have engagement and access. We gotta think bigger than Oh, it is a part of the curriculum that has something about lgbt QIA. I mean,

that's that's little for us. The focus, Dame, right, and it's got to be multiple strategies, you know, like you said, there's some people who get to the table. Somebody asked me today, you know, we know the governor heard the comments yesterday. Would you meet with him? And I say, hell, yes, I will go sit right in his face and talk to him. We gotta be smart, you know, and we've got to We've got to realize it's gonna take multiple weapons.

If I could use that term, you know, multiple methodologies. Let me use that word, multiple methodologies for us to affect change that we're trying to affect. And it's got to start. Let me tell you, it's got to start in Florida because there are other governors who are watching what's happening in Florida, ready to replicate in their state

what he passes here. So if we don't stop it, and if and if we don't develop a blueprint so that leaders in these other states we can say, yo, this is what we did try to affect this change. We gotta think bigger than Florida. You know, you got to think bigger um than just as you said, the black community, because he's he's after any and everybody that's a minority, any and everybody that's not on his side. And we got to come together, even beyond Florida. We

need all of y'all. You know, I may need until freedom to come down here and rock the mic, you know what I mean, until we get their attention. We've got to get their attention. And I I don't believe a march gets their attention absolutely because they know that it does. You think, so attention It just doesn't, like you said it, when you gather hundreds of thousands of people anywhere for one cause, people got to pay attention. Now, it's what you do with that attention, right, It's how

you sustain that attention. What you do after the attention is the people that you have and and the you know, the demands that you have with that attention that it brings. It's like watching you guys, the rally you have. It got our attention listening to you, so there's no way listening to our passion and how thoughtful and how how sharp you were what you were saying that like they said, the government sold what you said. You know what I'm saying.

Now they want you. They're asking you do you want to sit down with them? It's because you got his attention. You know what I'm saying. So when you sit down, you know what you you know exactly what it is that you want, you know what you don't want, you know how to go about it, and you're willing to move and continue to put the pressure on. So I think I understand what you're saying, but I definitely think

that it gone as attention. It just got to you just have to utilize that attention problem you do and listen. Five people, my son said, hundreds of thousands yesterday, you guys had over a thousand. Five people can make a difference by coming together because unity at any level causes people to notice, to pay attention, and to have to listen.

To the point is how you push that forward. It's going to be what makes them stay into So right now they're looking to see was it a march and it's over, this is what you say, or is it going to be other steps and other things happen, and that keeps this movement alive. And that's what we have to do. I mean, Until Freedom just announced our six week course on African American studies, and you know we're focusing on teaching with instructors. I'm not teaching, I'm actually learning.

We're focusing on learning from early before enslavement to the Transatlantic slave trade through the reparations movement and looking at when that actually started because it wasn't just recent history. Reparations is something that started the conversations about it while enslavement was actually happening, because as our brother, Attorney Angelo Pinto says, it's about repairing the harm. So there's always

been a conversation on that. And then we are into we're going to be into in late March talking about the US Constitution and how it into sex. You know, us as African Americans, where we see ourselves within the Constitution and then finally the movement that has happening today. So that's another part of our resistance struggle. It's educating ourselves and making sure that if they try to ban it, we still have it available somewhere to teach it and to learn it. But there still has to be boots

on the ground. So I appreciate what you all did yesterday. I do not want you because you're like me. We have this thing where even though we did one thing, it's not enough. We need to do ten fifteen. You want to do it strong, and that's just the way we are. But you have to sit back and realize prior to you all deciding to do something, nothing was happening. That's acts Yeah, that's the clergy community was talking about it. Knew something needed to happen, but you all were bold

enough to call it and people came. Yeah, no, they came in love. I mean it blew my mic Man. Clergy came from as far as Miami, South Carolina. You know, they really came together. And as you said earlier, it was so diverse. You know, Black white students UM the lbgt Q I a community. I mean you name it it was. It was a representation of the very thing the Santists is against inclusion and diversity. You know, it's

really weird because I said it at the rally. He ain't a Native American, which means the very fact he is the governor is because diversity worked, right, So how you gonna cut out the very thing that helped you become the governor? But but that's what But you know, that's what white folks do. They use the rules for themselves and then try to flip the script when we learned the game. Well, that's a whole lot of game right there. That's a whole lot of game. Bro. Yes, sir, well,

we appreciate you for joining us. We want to do this regularly as we are into this fight. To keep people abreast of what's going on. We need to be on one another's lives, be in communication, because that's what most people. It's not that they don't want change, it's not that they're not trying to fight. Instead, it takes a lot of work. It's hard, and it keeps you up every day every night. You gotta stay committed, You got to be invested, and once you start something, you

can't just drop it in the middle. You gotta see that thing all the way through. And that's that is what really becomes the biggest struggle that most people have is that they don't know which way to turn. But we always say, just keep moving. So that's what we have to do, is just keep moving. What's happening in Florida is happening across this country, y'all. We cannot sit by. We cannot sit by. If they are allowed to teach their history, then we need to be allowed to ensure

that ours is being taught as well. You cannot say, well, we don't need them to teach our They have access to our children all day long, right, and what they put into their minds and hearts, what they and to their own children all day long. It does matter. And yes we should teach our own, but we should also force them to have to tell the stories and confront the true history theirs and hours as well. So thank you, Bishop Nan kisses my shne. I gotta come so we can.

We're gonna lead to mek a home, and I gotta come to New York so we can hang out. Listen, man, look, you ain't said them, but the word we're gonna leave our home home for me needs my bed. So I'm all good. Wa love you man, love you peace. Rudy dropping them jewels. Man, he's really he really he takes seriously like when he's doing something. So he's like, we gotta be united, we gotta just one march. Ain't nothing. But we have to always remind ourselves to stop and

acknowledge what we're able to accomplish, you know. I mean that's the thing. That's the thing, especially in this work. You know, um, you you you feel like you're taking two steps forwards and five steps backwards. Man. You save a life and you lose two. You get some rights, they take three four from you. So it always feels like that. But you know, I guess those of us who've been called to do this work, man, that's that's

just the cross we got to bed man. So shout out to Rudy, Shout out to everybody who crazy enough coalition of people that got together, um in Florida last week, but more more to come. Yep, definitely man. So, Um that brings me a little off topic. It's always a little always a little topic. But um, so you know it's been on the news this fan lady whoever she was, she reached and grabbed Busta Rhyme's butt, and he responded

by throwing water on them. And you know, and there were people who was acting like he did something wrong. I've seen somebody saying, oh, he shouldn't have did this, and he should have did that, And he could have done anything right. He could have been, he could have could have been, he could have he could have been kind, He could have threw the water bottle at the lady right. He could have had a security or somebody grabbed her

physically done something, because that's assault. If if if a woman was walking by and a man reached in and grabbed her ass, he would get the beat down of all beat down. The security would be listen. I mean if if it was if a celebrity woman was walking by in a fan and she had her people's alongside her, her security and her friends, and and he grabbed her butt, the possibility of him not getting physically assaulted in harm

is very small. If I'm walking with a female, a woman that I don't even If I'm walking next to a woman and the nigga grabbed her butt, the possibility that he ain't getting his ass. Whoops, it's probably zero, right, So I don't understand why. I just I don't get why people were mad at him just throwing water, right. He could have pressed charges, he could have done anything,

you know what I'm saying. The response I saw from her was that she just wanted to take a picture, but you can't grab Nobody asked to take a pack, because the question is would you trying to take a picture with his ass like a picture would be like, hey, can I take a picture? Buster not reaching in, it's grabbing his button, smiling like you think you did something good. You know, and Buster, we know him. Buster is not trying to have a fight or nothing with nobody. He

ain't trying. He's focused and serious about what he's trying to do. He might not be chitty chatty and playful or whatever, but at the same time, this is not somebody that's out here trying to fight women. That's not a thing. So let's not even start that because you know they'll be like, oh and man, you know they don't pull up something to happen. Ten years are gonna be like seed, this is the kind of thing that is not in the situation here. You cannot be touching

people on their person. I don't even understand why we It's so much touching and people getting close to you and bumping you and talking in your face and this and that. People feel like they're supposed to be able to touch you. I deal with it all the time, Like people walk up to me and they'd be in my personal space. Dude walked up to me the other day and asked me, did Jada kiss insta his DMS. I'm like, you gotta ask Jada kiss. I don't like,

I'm not in Jada. He was in my face. He was He had a couple of drinks, you know what, so you could tell he was a little drunk and he was mad. You know what I'm saying, And you know, And I'm good at that because I understand. I come from, you know, the streets, so I know how to dis on those situations and not engageing and turn them into more.

But I think a lot of people feel like, you know, the thing, are inclines that you inclined to do something for them, or you inclined they inclined to be in in personal space, and you inclined to do certain things to them. I was out a few nights ago in a loud place, loud, and this beautiful woman came over to me and started showing me pictures of her loved ones. Two sons are two twins, that was shot and something happened. And to your point, I'm like the man that wants

to know about Jada kiss DMS. I didn't had a few drinks. I've been hanging out. I'm with my friends, everybody's having a good time. And this beautiful lady, because she was beautiful, she was a beautiful woman, and she was sweet, and she said she loved me and said such positive things to me. However, she wanted, at two o'clock in the morning on a night that I'm hanging out, to tell me a full story about what happened with the kids. The phone number can she called, the sister,

yelling over the music and trying to explain to me. Now, I've been in those situations several times, because people when they see you and they need to try to explain to you what's going on, they don't know if you they're gonna have a chance to talk to you again. So I get it. I'm used to it. I deal with it all the time. But the part that really that I was trying to understand and express to her without being rude, is that she's talking to me directly

in my face to where I can her air. It's coming, and I'm trying to turn my head and telling her talking my ear so we're not passing germs back and forth, and she's and then when I turn up, she's coming over here, and I'm like, people are not even conscious. I'm like, we don't even have a personal space way of like protecting ourselves and like not being in people's personal spaces. It ain't no more to people don't feel now those days it's gone. Your personal is no more

personal space. People think that, especially if you are known, you have some level of notoriety. People feel as if he's supposed to just be able to engage you, and you're supposed to be happy you. You're supposed to have full conversations with him, and you're supposed to touch you

and hug you and all types of stuff. And sometimes I'm about to die because I'm holding my breath the whole time, signing up so that I don't breathe any of it in, and that to try to hold my breath like I'm gonna die, you know, So you know it's funny about this. You actually do shit like that that you joke it and you just say that, boy Joe, what you know she hold up if you got to see her, if somebody you gotta see it. I actually have a pole this week. I have a cold, so

I don't want to even you. Yeah, when the air is moving across my face. Bro, bro, nah, we can't do it anyway to me. I don't want you in a space. She don't want to breathe your air. She gonna hold up breath. Please give people some personal space, man, busted man, we know, we know you're heart man. You got a couple of drops of water. Man, you know she she'll learned next she learned it a backup off. People don't be touching no man's buttocks, especially no Jamaican man.

You can't touch no Jamaican man's buttocks. So do you know for sure that she touched his button? That's what he said. They said, he tested what like you want you if you you had to see it, because when you look, you can see to there was nowhere else she could have touched. She reached down and butt and he turned around start because it's not like somebody touches back or anything. If he would have felt somebody touches back,

he felt, you can't do that. You can't do it, period, And the water was a reaction just like I bet you it was a reaction. Don't touch your man's buttocks. Boundaries, boundaries leave demand, Buttoclon, you don't touch demand buttocks. Yeah, shout out to my old shout out to Boom Boom. Saved the brand. You know what I'm saying, Man, Oh the young people that that's Bronx logo. Son, we has the Bronx logo. You know what I'm saying. We got

saved the brand and Bronx logo. Man. Finally, finally, hip Hop, save your truck over there in the Bronx man through the Bronx Man. Keep doing what you do man. So, with that said, thank you for another beautiful episode. Street Politicians. Thank y'all for supporting us, making us the number one podcast in the world. We truly appreciate that. You know, give us all of your feedback. Street Politicians Proud on Instagram.

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