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here again with Tyler. You want to say hate everyone? Hey everyone, I am back against you. Guys can quote me on the Titans and group pages where we all talk crap yep. And speaking of all of us talking craft, we already gotta go Texans in here tonight. You want to start off with some NFL news, let's do it. Of course. I think the big news right now is they're banning another defensive tackle technique. So they want to ban the hip drop tackle, and it sounds like it's probably going
to be going this off season. Yeah. I ever since I ever since the rumors have gone out about potentially being banned, I've looked at the stats and apparently it's a hip tackle only happens on average of once a game.
And so again the last time we had a conversation about different roles, I talked about how we were only a few short years away from flag football and my family's Thanksgiving this year, we uh, we were talking about that about the potential hip hip tackle being banned, and one of my uncles proceeded to say that we were only about five years away from tackle football. At what point in time do we do we just ban every kind of tackle? You
know? That's That's where I'm getting at. Is this it just first, it's the you know, I don't, I don't know. It just blows my mind. Yeah, because to me, because I played cornerback, so like I've chased guys down from behind and had to tackle them. And so you can't go high because you're going to hit the head, the face mask or get a horse collar mm hmm. Then you have to come down below
the numbers basically when you catch someone from behind. So if you can't grab him and go dead weight, then how do you tackle him because otherwise all you're going to be your only other optimists to push him forward like they're making it so that once a guy gets past you, it's a touchdown, Like,
how do you get back upon it? Yeah? I I foresee the NFLPA really pushing back on this, I hope so, yeah, because they it all comes from from Andrew's injury in that Bengals and Ravens game, because he got injured on this, but he just got injured because as the hip tackle was happening, then his ankle got rolled up on. So I mean, how many offensive linemen per year get their ankles rolled up on and we've
never addressed anything to protect only in that instance? Cool. I think it's because in the NFL they don't really get the crap about offensive lineman injuries. They care about big name weapons and cornerbacks. That's all they care about. I agree, you can't score points, then you don't get attention basically.
I mean, they had talked about banning it mildly after the Tony Pollard injury in the playoffs last year, but it just seems it just seems like more and more recently is that it's becoming harder to be a defensive player and easier to become an offensive player. Yeah. I think that's the you know, points sell advertising so it's just a way to get points higher up make it harder to tackle someone. To me, this is akin to the you're landing
with too much weight on the quarterback rule. Like, to me, both of those are just terrible rules. That you're a three hundred pounds defensive tackle and you're falling forward tackling the quarterback, Like, where else are you going to land besides on top of them? Yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's a dumb role. I mean, it's a dumb it's a dumb thing that they are going to potentially ban it. Yeah, I agree, it's but I think the hammer is going to come down on it one
way or another. Hopefully the nfl PA can can hold them off on it. But moving on to the big injury news, Joe Burrow to season ending IR. Two ending irs in four years for him, that's I mean, it's really sad. I mean, I definitely don't want to see anybody go on a season ending IR for any team. You know, that definitely sucks. However, it begs the question is he's truly worth fifty million dollars if he's been on season ending IR twice in four years? Yeah? Yeah,
And in his first two years, he had terrible offensive lines. Last year they was rated as one of the best offensive line units in the league. This year, they haven't been elite, but they ain't been terrible. I think they're like middle with a pack, maybe like the fourteenth fifteenth as far as giving up sacks and hits on the quarterback. So it ain't like he's out there getting destroyed every game. Yeah, I mean, this one had to do with a hand, the hand ligament injury against the Ravens. I
mean, it happens. I mean, it's really sad, and you know, obviously I hope that he, you know, recovers, Okay, but again, I just blows my mind that we work, but the Bengals are going to pay someone fifty million dollars who's not even going to finish the season. I also seen though, that a lot of people over the past couple of years have been saying that Lamar Jackson is injury prone, when Joe Burrow will have missed more games than Lamar Jackson has since they've been in the NFL.
So who do you think is more injury from then? Yeah, I think it's Lamar. He goes out and misses a game, maybe two games, but Burrow, once he goes out, it's the rest of the season he's missing. Yeah, And so it's like, do you want a guy with a nag an injury that's going to miss a game or two, or a guy that's going to be there for the whole season, him for three years, but then he's going to get one injury and miss ten games.
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's uh. I mean, I mean I was there at the Titans and Colts game when when Ar went down, so and and he's done for the remainder. He's been done since for the remainder of the season since that game. So hopefully hopefully he does better and hopefully he's his hand heels so that he can go back to playing football. Yeah, I hope so, because that's a that's a massive hit, not just for the Bengals, that's a start, like one of the main stars of the
league. Yeah this side. Speaking of the Colts, they surprised I think a lot of people releasing on Shaq Leonard, and then I was most surprised no one picked him up, especially like one of these playoff contending teams that need some backer help right now, I really thought somebody would claim him off
waivers. So what I can say is is that the rumors here in Indianapolis, because I live about thirty minutes outside of Indie, was that Shack Leonard was being very toxic in the locker room and some of his press conferences where he called out coaching and management led to him being released. Obviously, I doubt that we'll ever get the you know, true meaning behind it, but that was rumored. As it relates to why he hasn't been picked up,
I'm not shocked. And here's why. Leonard just guaranteed twenty million dollars from the Colts up until the twenty twenty seventh season, so he's going to be bringing in a big amount of change, and if a team claimed him off waivers, he would count to about six and a half million against their cap. Where he's if we wait, if anybody, any team waits to let
him clear the waivers, they could get him for much less. So from a financial standpoint, I think it is extraordinarily a smart idea to let him do that, because not many teams have six million dollars that they can pick up a big name at this moment. Last time I had read though the Broncos, Eagles, and Cowboys were the front runners to land him. It's all the Eagles need more store power. True, but Shack has been so
injury prone these past you know, two three seasons. So if we're talking about prime Shaq Leonard before he hit all these massive injuries, I'm sure. But he's missed quite a few games. So I'm not intirely shocked. Yeah, because i know, like what two seasons ago, they was talking about him for Defensive Player of the Year and now we are a year and a half later and he's sitting on the streets without a team to play for. Yeah, and he's only twenty eight, so he's still got some prime years
left in him. Well, I think he needs to go to a team where he's not gonna have to make be the one to make big plays like he was for the Colts for multiple years. Now the Colts this year is a ta bit different. But I think that if he were to go to the Eagles or Cowboys, I think that that would be better for him. I don't I'm not quite sure how much playing time he would get. Now if he went to the Broncos, that would be scary. That is a
team that is in desperate need of defense. Getting someone to the caliber of Shaq leintern that could be a team. I mean, we've already seen the Broncos beat the Chiefs once. I mean they're they're coming from the Chiefs. They if they add him, they could be they could potentially win that division. Yeah, and they beat the Chiefs by having like five or six turnovers. And that's Shaq Leonard's game is getting those interceptions and fumbles. So anything
can happen. I would love to see him to come to the Titans, obviously, because we need some help. You know, we need anything right now, and which was evident in Jacksonville. So might as well go ahead and talk about what happened down there. What do you think went wrong from the start? We just what they was up twenty seven to zero before we
got into the game, or twenty nine to zero something like that. So I I think the main thing that went wrong gems from very poor offensive line play, poor protection for for Levis, but also some very very poor offensive calls. Yeah, as soon as we put in Jalen Duncan, which I know he's on our list to talk about, miraculously we put up fourteen fourteen points when he put him in as left tackle and he did not allow a single pressure. So the offensive line has to be better and and so does
our secondary. Calvin Ridley tore us up. I have Calvin Redley on my Fantasy A team, and I want very had a massive lead, massive went over my previous team last week, so I know how how bad Calvin Ridley was to the Titans. I mean, I think he had two touchdowns on
US, one receiving, one one rushing. Oh. I've seen a lot of people say that we have a lot of needs, which we do, but if we want to win games in our current division where we have the younger quarterbacks, we've got to work on the secondary because I mean we've seen we've seen Will Levis make plays this season, but he has to have people around him to help support him. I'm not saying he needs weapons, which everyone does, but he just needs a half decent supporting cast. And right
now that offensive line is not supporting him. Brewery, you know, we had the bad snap that was fumbled, and there was three or four more that could have been fumbled in that game, and Levis was just able to get him in his hands and I marked it down as a complete team loss. We always talk about team wins, but you got the O line with the bad snap turning it over. Special teams had it turned over. We had shape punts. We couldn't get off the field on defense to save our
lives. It's like, the only bright spot really that I had in the game was Levis, and he didn't. He had his most efficient game,
but he just didn't have opportunities because the line couldn't protect for him. Yeah, I seen that he had a really good passer rating, which they say for which I've read that for losses as sizable as our West the Jacksonville, you typically don't see a quarterback have a passer rating that he did, which tells you, in my opinion, that I think Will Levis is going to be a good football player for this team, which is a bright spot. But we need to give him the players to go out there and win us
games and help us win games and bring a championship. I don't foresee us getting a good championship, getting a championship before this new stadium opens, unless we have a massive or really good draft this upcoming season or in the next
few seasons, like what the Texans just did this past offseason. Yeah, and they talk about, you know, for run teams, for especially a Rabel coach team, the way we play football, the two things that will kill you or turnovers and holding penalties on offense, because we want to run the ball, and you can't run the ball if you're turning it over or if it's first and twenty, first and thirty and that's all. We had
a couple of bad offensive holes. We also, it was thirteen zero at halftime, and all thirteen points was scored on drives where the Titans had defensive penalties on third down that kept the drive all up, so it could have easily been zero zero. Then they scored fourteen points off turnovers. I mean, if we protect the ball and just play discipline, don't get penalties, it's a totally different game. But this team just can't seem to get out
of its own way in those areas. Yeah, I mean, I think it's possible that, I mean, it's definitely still possible that we can still win this division. Obviously we would need some help, ye, No, a lot of help. However, we played Jacksonville the final week of the season. I think so we're gonna they have to come to us. You know, it's not going to be eighty degrees and perfect weather for them. You know, they're gonna have to come and play in some really cold weather.
So my hope is is that that will give us the edge the next time we play them. However, in order for us to really even compete or to prevent Levis from you know, sustaining massive injuries and then and then leaves and retires from the team like Andrew Luckton, we've got to give him some good players. Yeah, And we may be able to do that this week because for the fourth time in four weeks, we have a new left tackle start. So it's going to be the rookie Jalen Duncan this week.
So you think you have any hope for him considering that he's basically the fourth string the team, Well, I think all Titans fans can say anybody would be better than Dillard at left tackle. Got dealer, That is true. We we hate we you know, we've been there for some really bad left tackle plays players over the past couple past couple of seasons. We definitely, we definitely need to work on that. I mean, from what I've seen from Jalen Duncan in the in the Jags game, I was really impressed.
The Panthers are going to be without one of their star pass rushers, which will be good. But I'm not expecting him to go out there and play all pro this game. But going up against the worst team in the league and the Panthers, my hope is that he will that he'll be able to keep leve Us upright. If he can keep let Us upright, you're already better than any left tackle we've had in that position over the past couple of
seasons. Yeah, with we, he's going to be making his first start as a rookie and then he's going to be standing beside of a rookie left guard. If I'm the Panthers, I'm just going to line up a blitz to that side until they figure out how to stop it. I mean, a fair, fair assessment. However, who are you going to have try to pressure will leve Us from the Panthers because they don't really have any good
pass rushers besides one of their weaknesses for sure. Yeah, Now, if we were talking about the Steelers, that'd be a different that'd be a different conversation. Yeah. And they're also they're out the best secondary either. So if they do blitz and we do pick it up, then Levis is going to have plenty of time to make a decision and find the open guy, which is probably going to be Hopkins in this secondary. Yeah, yeah, that's my hope. I want Hopkins to have another three TD game. I
would love to see that happen. We won't have much competition in past kitchen with Burkes out again, So I mean it's him and n Wi out there again. I guess, wait, who's Burkes again? I haven't seen him really do anything on the fielding season. Yes, then quite a while A J. Brown according to John Robinson, I guess, yeah, Well AJ Brown's out there playing All Pro for the Eagles. We got trailing Burkes who
can't stop getting injured. Yeah, so I'm I mean, at this point, like you Sai said, if he even made it to game day at some point, that would be a pleasant surprise. I don't feel like we can count on him for anything, like not even catching it. Just to see him that a jersey on would be a surprise. Yeah, that's true, that is true. And some I was thinking about, like do the Titans. At what point do they decide enough is enough and he's not worth
a roster spot. Like the rookie contract is guaranteed, so it's going to cost him the money either way. But at some point do they think about just moving on and looking for another number two wide receiver. I would be shocked if they don't end the off season, especially with the wide variety of free agent wide receivers that are supposed to hit the market this free agency.
I would be shocked if they don't at least make an attempt, And with the Titans right now having the most cap space going into the off season, I mean it's very likely I would even suggest training him. But then again, who's gonna trade for him? Yeah, you're not gonna get nothing for him, and I mean nothing, Even a seventh rounder would be better than what we'd get by Cutney. I guess. I mean you could. We could trade him to the Panthers in the off season. They need they need
some wide receiver help. Yeah, they're kind of like us. They just have Adam Feeling and nobody behind him. So they just signed an aging wide receiver from another team in the off season. Yeah, Uh, what about everyone's talking about Rabel's job. You got one report saying he's gonna get traded to the Patriots, then a conflicting report that he's the long term solution in Nashville. He ain't gonna know where the fans are. They don't even want
to trade him. The fans are just saying firing. Right. You think that Rabel's actually on the hot seat right now or what do you think would have to happen for him to be on the hot seat. So I do think he is on the hot seat. I would be shocked if we finished the season three and fourteen and he's still the head coach of the Tennessee Titans, because I think we have the defensive line and a rookie quarterback and a top wide receiver, long standing wide receiver that can get us more than three
wins. I don't think he gets traded to the Patriots. I just think that that's a bunch of smoke. This is my view. So much about being a head coach is not just about game day and and the in the games that you go through. It's the decisions that you make, whether or not you should go for it on fourth down, who you draft, who you get up in free agency or in Rabel's case, the people that you hire for your team. The offensive coordinator has been spotty. Obviously, I
don't expect him to, you know, be phenomenal. It's his first season as the offensive coordinator for US, so there's some things that you know, you need to get used to. Defensive coordinator has been spotty, but the offensive line coach, who I read the other day has Like when we got him, I think from college and he had like eleven ones. What do you say he's from like Wagner University or something like that, He had like eleven wins in his collegiate career. That just blows my mind, Like why
would we hire him to be our offensive line coach? I just think that Rabel is really bad. Ever since, the some of our outside of the offensive coordinators, the two offensive coordinators that we that have been hired to go be head coaches elsewhere. Outside of those two offensive coordinator has been a huge problem for US. Dean P's was a phenomenal DC for US. Shane Bowen
will never amount to that. I think that Rabel, if Rabel is going to get fired, he should be fired alone on his poor hiring ability. For coordinators and coaches for this team because they are not helping us, they are hurting us. Yeah, I agree, Like in the last few years, and you know, content spans are always like, you know, we're
getting disrespected, we never get attention and all that. And the reason why is because our roster has never been that great the last few years, and no one expects much all of us and Rabel had like we got these winning seasons with subpar rosters because he was able to coach us to not get these penalties, not get these turnovers. And this year it just hasn't worked that
way. And so when you're given him all the accolades for you know, we're the least penalized team in the league and all that, well, now when we're one of the top penalized teams in the league and we are turning the ball over, like, that's got to fall back on his shoulders as
well. But I read somewhere that John Robinson, you know, we had a ten point lead in the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs, and from that ten point lead to his firing, John Robinson had drafted twenty four players and all of those twenty four players five of them had nine or more starts in their career, like everyone he drafted was just a bus And then the ones that have nine or more starts are trailing Burks who hasn't done anything,
Christian Fulton, who is only starting because we don't have another corner behind him, and I'm trying to think of the other names. But yeah, like everyone he drafted, no one's really had an impact, and some he's not had the roster also, like it's not just on him, I think like he's also not had the players. And so that's why I think, like you said, if we finished with three wins, I don't expect him back next year. But if we get I think if we get the six wins,
that guarantees him his twenty four job here. I could see that. And again I wasn't expecting us going into this season being super Bowl contenders. But with us having as much cap space as we do going into this offseason and having the quarterback of the future or so we believe, I mean, we we can definitely get there. But I think the first thing that needs
to happen is I think we need to re sign Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry is second in the league and rushing yards, and we have a horrible offensive line, and that should tell you how how good of a player he is. I really think in order to help will leve Us succeed, we need
Derek Henry on this team. What are your thoughts? Yeah? I agree, And I've been a supporter of extended Derek Henry, even if it's for one year, just because after this year, as long as he finishes anywhere close to one thousand, then he'll be less than a thousand yards away from the all time rushing record for the Titans. So I think that you bring him back next year, if only just to getting that record, so that it's then gonna be him and Eddie George up there, how nostalgic up?
Hell? Yeah? Yeah, give the fans something to cheer for in all of this gloom that we have on this football team. You know I would be okay with that. Yeah. I've never been a fan of his coordinator, Hirings either, because he's never, like I was telling him on the Monday Night podcast, he's never went outside of the organization to interview for a
coordinator. It's always one of his coaching friends that get the position. And so I think even if we get six wins and he comes back next year, I think that that Rebel's on the hot seat next year, that it's expected that we make the playoffs, and with his job being on the line, it will be interesting to see does Shane Bowen keep his position or does Rebel go outside the organization and try to find somebody that's gonna, you know,
make because we got Simmons Landry Key disease like we got We've bought players in the front seven and Bowen can't get anything out of them. So here's my question to you. If Vrabel comes back next season with six wins, who do we fire in the coaching pool for the Titans. The first move I would make, I'm either can I shamee Bowen or the DV coach?
And I know it's going to be hard for Verrabel to fire that DV coach because he just now hired him, and he stole him away from Ohio State, which is where Rabel went to college and everything, and so it's one of those guys that he looks at as a personal friend and a Rabel guy and everything. So I think he's going to have trouble moving on from him.
But I mean, if your job's on the line and it's you know, either you or your friend's going to get fired, and you think your friend is the one that ain't coaching up the unit he's supposed to be coaching up, because it's hard to argue that our defensive back coach is doing a great job. So fair, very fair point. Yeah, who you think, like, who would you fire? If you're in Brabel's position on that. If it were me, I'd fire both of my coordinators if we if
we have another losing season, I would first fire Bowen. Bowen would be number one because he would have been on the staff for two years as a coordinator. He'd be the first one. But I would also fire the offensive coordinator. I would fire both of them. I would go through an I'd clean house. If you want me to be honest with you, Yeah, and see. And I was critical of Tim Kelly getting hiring. I thought
that was a terrible hiring as an offensive coordinator. The one reason ON would to fire him is because when you hired him, you knew that his position or his scheme is he likes to get guys deep and a mobile quarterback, and you gave him Tannehill and a terrible offensive line, so there's no chance for a mobile quarterback. There's no chance for anyone to get deep because it's just a sack every other play. Yeah, so he really hasn't had a
chance to truly install his yet. I think Wavis gives him that chance though. I think Weavis has plenty mobile enough to give him that opportunity. Yeah, I agree. I agree with us saying that, who do you think the key to the game is? Predictions? What do you think is gonna want to happen tomorrow? Well, if we lose to the worst team in the NFL, I would I would if if if I were Amy Adams and Amy i'ms drunk and my team that I own loses to the worst team in
the NFL. First thing I'm doing is I'm picking up the phone and saying, Hi, this is Amy Adams drunk. Hey, is is this Mike Rabel? Hey? Since you just made my team lose, don't plan on taking the team jet from Carolina back to Nashville. Oh yeah, you're getting fired? Thank you for everything. Bye bye. So my expectation is is that we do win. All of our wins this season have been at home, and I don't foresee Young having, you know, this phenomenal game against
us. They also have a pretty poor offensive line. They struggle with protection for Young, So I would imagine that either Simmons or Landry, if not both, have a phenomenal game this game. And I would also like to see Derek Henry go off this game. So my prediction is Titans win thirty
one to fourteens for two touchdowns. I've seen a lot of predictions for us to go out there and blow out the Panthers, but I just I've not been able to muster up enough faith in them to predict a blowout against anyone. I was talking to someone earlier and I told them that if the Titans were going to play the losers of the two to eight Football Championship for Tennessee, then I would still have my questions about this offensive line holding up.
So I think that Levis Is is going to be the savior of the game. I do think that we win the game, But on Monday night I predicted a fourteen thirteen Titans win, and I think I'm going to stand by that. It's going to be just to struggle all the way to the end, even though we're playing the worst team in football fourteen to thirteen. That's like a terrible game to watch. Uh. I mean I wouldn't be mad if we lost, because then Carolina would the Bears' number one pick would go
up, and likely are we would you know, slide back. I mean, I wouldn't be mad if we got Marvin Harrison Junior in the draft. I think that that would phenomenally help us team. But I doubt that he'll be on the draft board when we go to pick. Yeah. It's the thing. I think if we win six games, I think he's not on the draft board. I think if we win four games, I think he
may be on the draft board for us. Yeah, if he's there, I think I think we have to take you, even though you know we've got, like you said, the most money in three agent and see this year and I mean you can find you a tackle and free agency or find you a trade for a tackle. Yeah. So we already let one generational talent wide receiver go to the Eagles, like we can't let another one slip by. That is true, That is I think that'll do it for us
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