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as always by the fan Battlesports Network. And remember like, follow, share comments, subscribe, and join us over on fanbattlesports dot com for all the latest news, blog, post, articles, opinions on all your favorite teams. So I'm here again with my co host Tyler, and you want to say what's up to everyone? Hey? Everyone, I'm back and in high quality demand. Unfortunately the Titans aren't this week. But before we get started with all the bad news of the state of the team, we'll start
it off with something positive. Wanted to say thank you to everyone over on Twitter or it's whatever you call it. We surpass four hundred followers this week, so we appreciate that on the road to five hundred. If you're listening and you ain't following yet, go over there and click the follow button. Help this out. But without further ado, we'll get into the bad news of it all. So I think first and foremost, we've got to address
there's no longer any playoff hopes for the team. Which this is the first time ever that Rabel will be the head coach and we don't have playoff hopes. So it's over one hundred games that he's coached for us, and we've either been in the playoffs or had hopes of getting to the playoffs, and everyone until this Sunday, So you think you think anything changes as far as his game planning, if he tries anything different or if it's just business as
usual get us to the off season. Personally, I think it'll be business as usual. I don't think he'll admit to tanking. I would like to think that he has the ethics to not do that, but I don't. For I don't foresee him being the coach of this team after this season.
You don't think so. Well. When you and I has spoke a couple of weeks ago, you said that if the Titans got at least six wins that you thought that that would guarantee him that I don't think we get to six wins with how we played last Sunday, I don't think we get to six wins. Yeah, And I know a lot of fans are really started calling for his head now on Twitter and on social media and they have been
on an all all season. See. I don't think that his seats as cold like it has been in the past, but I don't think there's a fire under there yet. I think that they'll still let him and Ran try to rebuild this team with one hundred million dollars in cap space, and and I think next year is the the hot seat for him. I think we've got to win at least ten games and maybe win a playoff game or else
his seat's going to start getting warm. Well. I part of the reason that I kind of want him to be gone is he's a defensive coach. And there's a couple of reasons I should preface why I think that we need to move on from him. Number one, he's a defensive minded head coach. That secondary has struggled for how many years? Three years we've not been able to what what do you say? Every since DMPs lived as our defensive
coordinator, that secondary struggled. Yeah, so there's that we'll have a quarterback will be going into this into a second season the last year, who we are all presuming will be the quarterback for the next couple of years. Rabel has really struggled to develop any sort of offensive players since he's been on the team, and with with the young quarterbacks that are in this division, we're gonna need. We're gonna need that offensive firepower. Definitely need the the defensive
part, but that offensive firepower we need. So I I I don't. I don't think we get six wins, and I I think with with Amy firing j R. Last December, I think that she's ready for some playoff wins. And I think I think he'll be gone, And so that kind of foreshadows my next question. I was want to ask how much confidence do you have in the offensive and defensive coordinators and do you think that they make
it to twenty twenty four. But if Rabel's gone, his coaching staff's going with him, I would assume defensive the defensive coordinator I don't think is as bad. He can only do as much. You can only do so much with the players that he has. With Caleb Farley coming back and practicing, which he's been, he's contributed little to nothing offensively. I mean some of the play calls this past weekend, we're questionable. Obviously we have a Brookie
and he's gonna make mistakes. He did miss a wide open Traylon Burkes that could have gotten us a first down and some additional yardage. But we can't always rely on that defense, and we very much relied on that defense this past weekend. I was at the very least that offensive courtney means to go. Yeah, I agree, Shane Bowen. I feel like he's a good defensive coordinator. He's just never given us any production from the secondary. But
we've also never given him a secondary to produce with. We've like we've asked him to go with Farley and Fulton, and we've just never put anyone solid back there. For wearing the jack Rabbit last year, which was way past his prime mm hm. And even with the secondary we give him, he holds teams to nineteen points, twenty points week in and week out, like that's been his average hit the whole time he's been here. So if we if our offense could score twenty one points, we'd be almost unbeatable. And
we can past thirteen. Yeah, I agreed. I mean we how many we went two weeks in a row of going into overtime, and I mean that that the the game against the Texans, even the game against the Colts. Those are both those Both of those games should have been w's in my opinion, had we had an above average, an average, let's say average offensive line, those are two right there, and an average offensive line gives us a higher probability to beat the Colts and a much higher probability to beat
the Texans, and right there, that gives us two wins. So we would be what seven and seven and seven? Yes, would be a game out of the division right now? Yes, So if Rabel Whisco, who who do you want them to bring in for twenty twenty four? I funny, that's who asked. Thought. I've been doing some research. I would really, really really like the offensive coordinator from Miami. He's been he's been doing some wonders there. Yeah, you can't argue with you know someone that.
I mean, I know every time the off season's rolling around, the first name on Totten s vans Cones is Eric the enemy every year, so they've been wanting him for three or four years now. But someone else I would give a look to is the Eagles offensive coordinator. I mean, we've given them so many gifts in the trade game, they owe us one back here. Yeah, I mean the well, I would personally like uh Shane Siken, who's currently the head coach for the for the Colts, I don't
think the Eagles offensive coordinator gets a job. This is I think he's in his first year. I don't think he would get a job. Last question, Yeah, let's go on to the to the game that was Where do you think it all fell apart? Because it started all hot. We went right down the field eighty four yards, turned around with the pick six, and it is like just a slow, slow falling apart after that, just
slowly give them the game back to him. Well, I think what Demiko Rians did and I think I think dimik Orians should win Head Coach of the Year number one. Yeah, you have to give credit where credit is due. That man has turned around that franchise and he's taken a franchise that's had a top five pick the past couple of years and really made them a contender. So go him. I really really hope he gets the Head Coach of
the Year gig job, I mean award. I think what he did specifically was I think he just I think they played more aggressively on the defensive line and that is what won them the game. I mean you have Derrick Henry that had how many he had less than ten yards on the ground. I mean the amount of sacks that we gave up. I mean, they just
really relied heavily on being aggressive on that defensive line. And once they started playing more aggressively on the defensive line, that's when they started to become more competitive in that game. And that just all boils down to the fact that
our offensive line is not good. I would say, if it's not the worst ranked, it is in my opinion, it is the worst offensive line in the entire National Football League. In my opinion, all of the people that are currently on the offensive line, that are currently starters, they should all be fired, except for Peter Skeronski. They should all be let go and they should not come back. Yeah, if I was redoing the offensive line, I would keep Scronsky and I would keep on the right guard.
Run Skill. He's allowed I think one sack and has two penalties on the year, so he's had a solid year. But I mean Brewer at center, he's thirty five forty pounds undersize getting pushed backwards, and I don't think anyone's going to argue that none of the tackles we've started this year depart. I think you might be able to keep MPF next year, but not as
a starters, like he's a depth player at this Yeah. I agreed, and we talked about it at the into the first quarter that Burks had two catches for over fifty yards and that they need to keep going to him until the Texans take him away. He didn't get another look until the fourth quarter.
They he got one more target in the entire game. It was the middle of the fourth quarter, and in between that the end of the first quarter and his next target, Hopkins was targeted eight times for two receptions and one interception. Why they got stubborn and decided We're going to throw it into
double coverage to Hopkins and ignore Burks for the rest of the game. I feel like that really gave the game away, because you you have Henry running into a brick wall and Levis thrown into double coverage all game after that. So I fear your point. I think part of that is how many games has has has Traylon Burks played this season with Will Levis? Not many? How many games has Traylon Burke started with Will Levis and finished not many and
so the chemistry between Burkes and Levis is not there. But if Traylan Burks is playing, which he had a good first quarter, I don't think anyone can deny that. In my opinion, you keep throwing the ball to people who are playing well. If I agree with you. If Traylon Burks Is got two catches for over fifty yards in the first quarter, why would we not keep throwing the ball to him. I think part of it is is Will Levis has that chemistry with d Hop and that's his go to that's his
fallback plan. I think if he gets a little bit flustered, which he did against the Texans, you know, he wanted to throw the ball to d Hop because de Hop is a is a weapon and is really good about, you know, fighting for that extra yards things like that. But I think that that's just going to come with time. Number one building that chemistry.
Number two and number three get a new offensive coordinator. Yeah, yeah, Unfortunately, I don't if Brabel stays, I think Kelly stays as well, because that's his personal friend, and I don't think he's going to fire him after one season. It's going to take I think it's going to take Brabel getting fired, to get Tim Kelly fired really because they're too closer friends
personally. Yeah, you touched on Henry's production. He ended up with sixteen carries for nine yards and four catches for one yard, so twenty touches for ten yards, which set the NFL record for the least yards game on twenty plus touches in a game. So, do you think this is going to be the end of the Henri era or the Titans or do you think he comes back next year? As a fan, I want him to come back
undeniably. I mean, he's he's the franchise leader in touchdowns. If he's not the franchise leader in rusting guards, I think he's relatively close to it. Yeah, So as a fan, I definitely want him back. As a realist, I think he has at least one more year. I think that d Hop is going to try to get him to come back. I think I think the offensive players are there too, and some of the coaches are there. They're going to really try to get him to come back.
I think at the very least I think that we franchise tag him, but also in order to get Taija Spears to develop. I think he needs Derrick Henry there to kind of help him because Derrick Henry got two years of being under DeMarco Murray to develop to help him get to the level that he was at. I don't think it's the end of the era. We have so
much money in cap space. I think we would be dumb to let Derek Kinry walk in free agency and not try to give us the best chance that we have, because bringing Derek Henry back just gives Will Levi us, you know, another option of to give the ball to to spread the wealth. But if I were in Derrick Henry's shoes, I would tell Ran, I'm not coming back until I know for I'm not agreeing to come back until I know for a fact that I have an offensive line that's going to help me
run the ball. Yeah. From Henry's perspective, I agree, Like I wouldn't want to if he knows it's going to be his last year, maybe two years live if he wants to come back again, like you want to be protected in those years and have a chance to produce. And I thought that he would be back because he is second in franchise history and rushing behind Eddie George and so I thought he would come back and get that record. He's only going to need six hundred and fifty or so yards next year to
get the record. Until the postgame press conference on Sunday, when he was basically saying his goodbyes, he was talking about how bitter it is of an end that he didn't foresee it ending this way and basically hinting at goodbyes at the end of that game. So that made me feel like he may not be wanting to be a Titan ind twenty twenty four, or either he doesn't
feel like they would want him back. So I think it was just a bettersweet moment because this is the first time in his career where we were officially out of playoff contention. I mean, look at all the drama that was happening in the early offseason with Jonathan, with Jonathan Taylor and Donathan Taylor was not expecting to come back to Indy. All the tabloids said that he wasn't coming back, and then the Colts offered him a three year, forty plus
million dollar contract. I mean, anything can happen. I think that I think that Derek wants to go to a serious contender, and there's very slim pickens of people that I think next year he can go to that are going to say, you know, we are definitely fighting for a super Bowl. I think that that's ultimately what he wants, is that super Bowl ring. And I think we can maybe get there with Ran, but I think we're good too, three seasons away from really being in that super Bowl bubble of
a chance. Yeah, And I think one of the major things, even though we have a lot of cap space with Spears, I think he takes a much larger role next year. And Henry this year is making sixteen point four million against the cap, And so if we're giving Spears a larger role than he would be expected to take a pay cut. And this offseason he was the spearhead demanding higher pay for running backs. So is he going to be able to cut Like, will he feel all right cut his money in
half after that campaign? This offseason? Well, I mean he's gone. I mean he's top five and rushing guards, I believe still, and he's got ten to sis now he's number six, Okay, so he's still in top ten. He was in the top five for a majority of time he was number two for quite a bit of time, and he had and he has ten to ten rushing touchdowns on the season. So in this mind you this is all with a bad offensive line. So in my opinion, I do think he is worth it. I would continue to pay him the money.
I in my opinion, I would keep paying Derrick Henry the money until you know, you don't fix what's not broken. I mean, our offensive line is broken, but Derrick Henry has been one of the very few constants of this team. You know, Derrick Henry is the person that we used to be able to win games fully based upon his production, and I think we still can. But we have to understand that Derek Henry is getting up there in age. He's going to start slowing down, and he needs other
people on the team. He can't be the soul. He can't be the sole and only and that we win. Yeah, he used to be able to get two or three stiff arms and be his own blocker downfield. Now you might get one stiff arm. MAT love him, but you've got to help him out a little bit. Yeah, he really needs I mean, the addition of d Hop has been phenomenal for us, but we need some offensive lineman help, and I think we need another really good wide receiver or
two on the roster. And keeping with the Henry theme, moving on to Sunday, You think he can get a thousand yards this week? He's one sixteen away. No, not with Bobby Wagner on the field. Yeah, point taken there. Not with one of the greatest linebackers in the past twenty years playing on the field. Yeah. They are one of the worst rush defenses. They allow one twenty seven per game and four point five per tenth.
But I think that the Titans, I think I think we'll keep him around that twelve to fifteen carry range and that'll keep him around sixty to seventy yards even against the defense, because I mean, why put unnecessary tread on his tires whenever you don't have a chance at the playoffs, but wetting save
a little bit in the tank. Well, if Ryan Tannehill starts this weekend, he'll have more than twelve to fifteen garys, which is another topic I had on Key here, like who starts that quarterback the Levis is injured? Do you rather Ron Tannehill or do you think they should see what Malik Willis has developed into funny question. So I remember being at the Titans and Falcons game this fall, and I've seen the fan reception that Malik Willis Scott after
he fumbled the ball on her on the first play he had. So I I don't think it should be Malik Willis. I mean, I think I think we all know it's it's basically done Dale that Ryan Tannehill's gone. I think the best way that we can give Ryan tannehillo goodbye is let him go out there do what he needs to do to show other teams that either he is a franchise quarterback still or he's not. I mean, we're paying him
bookoo amounts of money. Go out there and prove to us that you can go win us some game, that you can win us some games with this roster. Yeah, I agree. I think I'm always of the opinion that you've got Levis. If he's capable of going, then should go, because
he's not going to develop sitting on the bench. But if he's not capable of going, I like, you know, Ryan Tannehill has done a lot for the team, took us to an AFC championship, and the way that over the last twelve months that you know, his narrative has been, with the interceptions, with everything that's gone wrong, the injuries, give him a chance to if Levis ain't going give him a chance to go out there and get a proper send off in front of the home fans. Yeah, I
agree. I agree with that. And one other thing that I was wanting to ask. Should the Titans prioritize getting that win or do you think they treat this as three preseason games and kind of see what the bottom of the roster looks like and who can make the team in twenty twenty four? I would I mean, you're not You're not getting anything else, You're not getting anything out of us. I mean, I definitely don't want Ryan to Anaheltical
out there and get absolutely murdered by the Seahawks. But we do need to see, we need to have a very serious moment with this roster, with this locker room, see what see what we need to do, What players we need to bring in, What players need to be cut If people don't want to be a part of this roster anymore and they want to get cut and then go talk craft like to your part and some of the other players, then we don't have a spot. We don't have a spot for you.
It's time for you to go. Yeah, I agree, And no matter who's on the field, I think the players are going to prioritize the win because guys like Philips and more an Asease and Audrey, these guys are on one year contracts basically, and so they're out there trying to earn their next deal, and whether or not they're going to stay with the Titans or not, they still want that next contract. And if you got Henry on the sidelines, then you know Spears is trying to show that in twenty twenty
four he should have that bigger role and kind of unsee Henry. So they're always going to try to win. But the coaches, I think that they should put some guys in that haven't played a lot, especially if we're losing the game in the second half. See what you got on some of these guys, because these are going to be bubble guys in the preseason next year, So get a head start on your homework. Fair. Fair, But all of that, he said, what do you what do you think happens
this game? Win, lose, any score predictions? Well, Levis plays, we have If Gino Smith plays, that also is a huge factor. But I watched Drew Locko out there and beat the Philadelphia Eagles this past Monday night. Either way, based upon how this team is playing, how the Seahawks are playing, I'm gonna say Seahawks thirty one seventeen. Yeah, I'm of that same mindset. I think that if Levis plays, then we got
a chance to win like a twenty four top game. But if Levis ain't playing, I think that Henry gives unlimited capacity, and I think that we probably lose this one around that same score, maybe like a thirty one to twenty one something like that. Okay, and just this just popped up on my feet over here on my other screen, it says that Eagles fans after Monday Night's loss are asking for Frank right to return return as offensive coordinator.
They're already wanting to fire their offensive coordinator. So if he gets fired, then I would one hundred percent be in favor of fire and Tim Kelly. Even if Rabel stays and get fire their defensive coordinator mid season, so well not even mid season, it's late season. Yeah, yeah, Rabel's not going to do it though he has too many friends on the roster he don't fire. I mean, we saw Todd downing as bad as he was and with the d u I midweek, then he still went firing until after the
season ended. So yeah, yeah that I think that'll. That'll wrap us up for this week. And thanks again for everyone joining us, and don't forget follow and subscribe, like us, share usfanbattlesports dot com and grab you some Mayo enjoy with the game on Sunday. Have a good one, guys,