I honestly didn't feel like it was absolutely necessary to create a solar farm. So to give you an idea of our actual utilities for the entire year of living in our tiny house, it only cost us about $300.
Welcome to the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast, the show where you learn how to plan, build and live the tiny lifestyle. I'm your host, Ethan Waldman, and this is episode 98. With Malissa Tack, Chris and Malissa were one of the first tiny house builders to be fully documented in photographs every single day. And luckily for me, they were about six months ahead of me so I had some reference material while I was building
way back in 2012. Malissa and Chris lived tiny for four years before deciding to purchase a property of their own for the little house to sit on. And then they ended up moving into a slightly larger house. Melissa is here to tell us her story and to catch up. It's been several years and she is still involved in the tiny house movement. So I hope you stick around for this great conversation with Melissa attack.
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All right, I am here with Malissa tak Malissa lives in the greater Seattle area where she designed and built her tiny house in 2011 with her husband, Christopher Tack.
Hello, hello.
The Tiny Tack House as it comes has come to be known was a loving home for the tax for four years before they decided to purchase property of their own for the little house to sit on. Currently, The Tiny Tack House is helping inspire others and give Tiny House enthusiast the chance to try tiny before embarking on their own tiny house endeavors. Malissa Tack, welcome to the show.
Hi, I'm happy to be here
happy to have you. I've been kind of reaching out to my my inspirations while I was building your, your blog, your website was was hugely helpful to me. Because you just did such a great job of documenting your whole process. I'm curious, why did you decide to document so well, like what motivated you to do that?
Well, at the time, as you know, it was back in 2011, when we were building, there really wasn't any resources available to help us along the way except for one that I did find online. And it became such an asset to us during our build that honestly, I figured if this was a good enough source of information for us to start on, then maybe what we can contribute might help somebody else along the way as well. And so yeah, and we meticulously started documenting everything that we were doing.
So that way, you know, somebody else has a little bit of information as well. Yeah,
well, as I mentioned, it was I remember just poring over your blog, like, kind of zooming in on the high resolution photos for details of like plumbing systems and everything and, and you've left those those photos are just still still up there kind of in perpetuity. They
are Yeah, I I go back to the blog every once in a while and realize that I haven't updated anything but that's kind of how it is I used to be when you were in the tiny house team for so long, but you're out, but you're not really out. You know, I'm still in it. But it's up there because so many people still find it. And, again, the resources there are still completely valid. Yeah,
it's a wonderful resource. So maybe we should rewind a little bit. I consider anybody who started building a tiny house before maybe 2012, or 2013, to be kind of a pioneer of sorts. So could you tell the story of how you and Chris, you know, even decided to go for a tiny house? Yeah,
definitely. So back in 2000, early, early 2011, Christopher and I were both working at Apple retail. And one of Christopher's customers had come in and needed some help with her website. And she was in the process of building something. And I remember one day, Christopher came home. And he mentioned something about tiny, something movements, not quite sure, he didn't really spill all the information, he just gave me a little snippet of it. And the next day, it was
rattling in my brain. And I couldn't help but try to do some research. And so I, I literally hopped on the computer, typed in tiny house movement. And lo and behold, there was the tiny houses on wheels, the only ones that were known at the time were je Schaefers from Tumbleweed.
And so prior to that Christopher and I had been living out in Washington state for about a year, we moved out here from New York City, where we also decided to move around every few years just to explore since we're young, we wanted to go different states and see what other states had to offer. But we didn't like renting either. And we didn't want to buy a house and get stuck in a place for a certain
amount of time. So when I saw this idea of a tiny house, on wheels, I thought that was absolutely perfect, because we can take our house with us wherever we go. But of course, after we had decided to build our tiny house, we come to realization that we absolutely love the state that we're in. So we never actually had to move in anywhere. But it became such a part of our life.
Yeah, so and that's funny because that my experience echoes yours a little bit, just with never moving it like it just became such a part of of my life. And just the way the way I had it parked was like the perfect spot. And so I just never wanted to move it.
Yep, exactly. So you
you lived in it in the same spot for four years. Yeah,
we were out in Snohomish, Washington for four years that we we found property. It was really hard to find property. Actually, this is one of the most common questions that I get in in regards to I want to build a house I want to buy a house. But where am I going to put it. And for us because we were renters, we didn't even have a place to build. And so that was kind of
our our go to find first. And what I did is I wrote a bunch of handwritten letters and put it in random people's mailboxes in areas that had very large pole barn garages because it would be perfect place to build a tiny house and have 15 letters that I had dropped off. To got back to me, both were a no go for the actual space. But the one did say that he could offer me kind of like a tent camp in the back. And he had five acres of property, so plenty of space to build, but I would be doing it
outside. It was our only option. It was a good option. It was anything. So we decided to go for it. And we built our house. But then after the time had had slowly faded, we realized that we still needed a place to put it. We had a building spot but not a living spot. And so we we actually talked to the homeowner and he was happy enough to have a stay there. And so we stayed there for an additional four years.
Wow. So you ended up just leaving it right where you built it and that's where you lived? Yeah. Now was like legality, parking regulations any Was that ever a problem for you in that spot?
Um, that's always a tricky question, because at the time, you know, it was back in 2011. And I was kind of in an unincorporated part of the city. So this is a place where, you know, you can park 20 cars in your front yard, and nobody's going to have any fuss over it. And so I wasn't particularly worried about it. Not to say that the thoughts didn't go through my head. Somebody's coming by and shutting me down
as I'm building my house. But yeah, I, the only other person that I knew, at the time that was living in our tiny house was Dee Williams. And then shortly after I had discovered D, I discovered Brittany younger, who is also in the same state as I am. And she was living in her tiny house, and she was fine. And di D is probably the best asset for the tiny house movement. By far. She's been through it all. And in regards to legality, she's totally on.
On level with her city, they come over, she even has, I think, her own mailing address now.
Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So I'm curious what the timeline looked like, in terms of deciding to look for your own property, was it a desire to get into a larger space was a desire to just to own your own land? What walk me through that.
Um, so the whole plan to begin with was to find a little piece of property of our own to put our tiny house on. But you know how, over time, you're kind of living in your space, you become comfortable, it just becomes part of life. And that's how we ended up on the property we did for four years is because it just became part of life, we didn't have to look for a spot because we technically had a spot. The only problem is the homeowners, were going to sell the property
eventually. So we knew we had to find another option. And our option was to find property to put our house on. But we just didn't have the cash flow to do so. So it was going to be cheaper to find an existent existing property with a house and all the systems in place and finding cheap land that still costs money out of pocket that I didn't have to then have to put in the electrical, the plumbing and every other system necessary for keeping me I did build the house to be on grid and off
grid. But during the winter months, I still need power. So the solar power is not going to be adequate for what I need. So yeah, we eventually did decide to buy the property we're on currently with the house with the intent of living in our tiny house and then renting out the main space to friends, family, whoever's in the area that needs, you know, accommodations with the with also the idea that we would have more than just one tiny house on the property. I
didn't buy a huge chunk. But what I do have was space, offer up to others. And so I really tried to push the envelope. And at one point, I've had three tiny houses in my backyard. That's
awesome. Like, people come in tiny houses and rent a spot from you for a period of time.
Pretty much. Yeah. Nice. Yeah.
And so I'm curious, at what point did you move out of the tiny house and live in the quote unquote, big house.
So when we bought the property, the type of mortgage that we entered into was one that limited who was going to occupy the main house. And we signed a contract saying that we were going to have to be the main occupants of the house for at least two years, before possibly having the opportunity to rent it out and then move back in our tiny house. during that timeframe. I we planned on a family and we welcomed our daughter Solarz and to the world, not too long after buying
the property. So at the time, we were just renting out our house on Airbnb and letting other people stay in it and experience tiny but we also did want to continue our life in the tiny house. But then it slowly became clear that that wasn't going to be the option we're going to go
with. So as of right now, we're still just renting out our tiny house and we're still in the main house with future plans of still buying a little chunk of property to put our house on and then possibly even build a small 400 square foot house that we're going to design and build ourselves. Very cool. Well,
I love the story because it highlights how a tiny house on wheels can be adapted, you know, like, when it was just you and Chris, you live there and then, you know, it probably makes sense to have a little bit more space when you when you have some children around, not that it's not possible. But you know, I'm very familiar with the design of your tiny house because it's similar to mine. And it. It looks like it's really designed for two people, not more.
Yeah, yeah, no, we, we put a lot of thought into the building of our tiny house because it was going to be a two person occupant, and all the tiny houses that we have seen in the past have all been just a single person. And honestly, while designing the house, I designed it with dormers up in the loft space to accommodate two people. But I have no no building experience whatsoever when it comes to construction and constructing a home from scratch was a completely new
idea to me. So doing dormers was math that I did not want to have to play with and I almost was going to scratch it and say we're not going to do it. But Chris helped me to it. And he said we have to. And I'm so glad that we did in the end it was hard but we we powered through it. And now it's it's a space that's very, very comfortable to be in.
Yeah, the dormers really make the loft. Much more comfortable. less like a tent and more like a little bedroom. Yeah. I remember bringing photos of your house to the designer who helped me design my tiny house as your you are on my like mood board? For sure. Yeah. I want to follow up on something you mentioned before about about the solar. You were one of the first examples of a house where I got to see everything and you and Chris did the solar work yourself,
yourselves. Oh, yeah.
And you mentioned before that it's not adequate currently, for the winter. How much more do you think you'd have to add to make it a year round off grid tiny house?
Well, Christopher is definitely the expert in that area. He's the one who was able to figure out all the appliances that we have, and how much power we were going to consume for our house during certain timeframe. It is it was a whole calculator that he worked with a group out here to determine our system. But we did have the idea that we were going to expand our system at one point, knowing that we were going to build another little house somewhere. So we could eventually move our system
to that larger, larger house. So we got a pretty beefy system, something that we can add on. We currently only have four solar panels. But we can add on I think another 10 to in our system wouldn't have to change at all. But to give you an idea, I live in Washington State. And so it's pretty cloudy here during the winter months, in the winter months can range from October till usually around February is when it's the
darkest, the rainy. But I can run my entire system on solar alone from April till mid October. And that's just running on pure solar. So the off months is when I'm just not picking up enough because there's just not enough. And I honestly didn't feel like it was absolutely necessary to create a solar farm in my backyard, just the power
my tiny house. So to give you an idea of our actual utilities for the entire year of living in our tiny house, it only cost us about $300 a year for everything to live in our tiny.
Wow, that's heat hot water. Everything. So is the way your system is set up. Like it just it's plugged into your main house and it just draws power as it needs to compensate for the what the solar can't do.
Yeah, so the batteries are set up in a way that once they get down past a certain percentage, then it switches to be on grid and then the on grid will first it'll first power up the batteries and then some and once it's reached 100 Then it shuts off. So it's only supplying what it absolutely needs. needs at that time.
Cool. And that's just such a great thing because you did it. However many years ago was 2012. So like eight years ago, and now it just, it just keeps going, has it? Oh, yeah, as the system needed any kind of maintenance or
work, there's been some maintenance to it mostly electrical. I think we had one cable go out on us that we're in the middle of fixing. But that's about it is easy fix.
And how do you you know, parked kind of near your, your other house? How do you deal with the the gray water that comes out of the tiny house.
So just the way that we had done back when we were living on the other property is it's just it's literally just a hose going out to the ground. I dug a pit and I put some rocks in. And we have it's it's pretty tough dirt where I currently am where I have a level of clay that I have to interrupt. But honestly, the amount of water that I'm producing is so low compared to how much water is dropped out of the sky that you honestly don't even notice my footprints at
all. And I use all biodegradable soaps and everything in my tiny house. And I have special notes for my guests on what they need to do and what not to do as well.
Nice. And I'm guessing that's not something that you've officially tried to like ask for permission for.
Like from? Yeah, no, no, I haven't I honestly haven't. Um, I haven't gone to the city at all, mostly because of fear, honestly. But because I'm not doing any, any damage to anything. My house isn't really lived in it's, it's, it's recreated and more than anything. So I'm not really terribly concerned about it.
Right. And that's, you know, depends where you live. But it truly is better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. And in the case of clay houses, especially in more rural places, or in places where they're not uptight about these, these types of things. Yeah, I
can understand different systems. If you're in a different area, I'm, I'm in the city limits. So there are different guidelines that I have to follow in regards to my tiny house and I do have a composting toilet, but I don't use it in the form of say, Brittany Yunker, who also has a composting toilet, but she's able to compost on her property. And she can even get her guests involved with that. But because I'm in the city limits, it's kind of a no, no. So we we essentially have to do the the
backdrop here. I can't I can't actually compost it like I want to. But if I'm out in the countryside, I'm able to do so.
That's kind of a bummer. Yeah, so remind me did you do the humidor style toilet? Just the the five gallon I did? Yep. So now those buckets are just lined with a trash can liner?
Basically. Yeah. Yeah, they go out like a dirty diaper.
Yeah. That's so unfortunate. I mean, it's there are a lot of cities that have a rule against composting toilets. And I suppose it makes sense because it could be, you know, if you do it wrong, and you could create a bit of a biohazard. But it's also kind of a bummer to just have to throw that into the landfill.
It is agreed?
And how have things been going with Airbnb are guests, you know, enjoying the process? And are you finding that people will rent the house who are looking to potentially live tiny themselves?
Yeah, I actually get a lot of people coming in that are very interested in buying tiny, very few actually want to build themselves but they're all very interested in buying but they kind of use my house as a guideline for what they liked or what they didn't like. And I get a lot of people who are saying it's very inspirational and I joke all the time with people because I get some some comments about my
craftsmanship. And I just have to laugh because again, this is like the first thing I'd ever built and there is no such thing as craftsmanship in here. But it works. It's homey, it's cozy and it's perfect for what we have. I do. I do in the offseason, get a lot of people who are coming to celebrate. So birthdays, anniversaries, different things like that people come in surprise as people always talking about how they have loved tiny and wanted to see.
And eventually some people do mention how it's it's taught them a few things and how they actually might consider doing tiny themselves.
If you you mentioned, you know, a 400 square foot cabin, which I would say is still quite tiny, what would be what would be different about the cabin from from the tiny tech house.
More sleeping space, more sleeping space because in, in our original plan for our tiny house, we actually had thought about putting in an secondary loft over the front door. And that wouldn't be a room for a little one. But as I've grown to understand children more, I know that it works for older little ones, but not not the little littlest. And it is challenging, being in a tiny house with like a ladder system and everything because I myself, hurt myself pretty bad.
While I was living in the tiny house and getting up and down my ladder was quite challenging. I was able to do it, but it was quite challenging. So there are different things that I would take and not the stairs would probably be a better option next time than a ladder.
Yeah, I've I've also really tired of the ladder. I would say that that was probably my number one. You know, what would I do differently? If I were to do it another tiny house on wheels? It would be no ladder. Yeah.
And people are going bigger, too. I've noticed. Yeah, most of the people that I talk to who are interested in finding a spot and notice that I do have an available spot open on my property for an additional tiny house. But when they mentioned the size, I just I don't understand how people are going so big. I love tiny. I am so encouraged by like, I want to go smaller, honestly like for if I was to build another tiny house, I would go smaller than a 20 foot that I'm in right now.
But yeah, people are talking 30 footers, 32 footers. And it's incredible. But you know, if you're in a space like that, you can basically have it all. Right,
I think I have mixed feelings about it. Because I'm also I'm on a 22 foot trailer, and the house itself is about 18 or 19. The bigger tiny houses do have other amenities that would be hard to fit into ours, like such as laundry, or you know, full size kitchen appliances. Some of them also have like a full on second, second loft, like a second bedroom where you know, you really could have, you know, a kid could have a room of their own in that house. So I can understand it from from that
perspective. But I agree. I also, I think that the utility of it being on wheels. When you get up that long, it starts being just, you know, if you think it's hard to tow a 10,000 pound house, like a 15,000 townhouse, it's gonna be twice as hard or you know, just Oh, yeah, a whole new ballgame.
Oh, yeah. And our our tiny house is actually the longest at the time because when we went to go CDs, of course, these was much smaller. And then Britney's was a little bit bigger. I think hers was about 1818 footer. And Christopher and I looked at each other. We're like, Okay, this, this could work. But again, there's going to be two of us in the house. And I would work from home, so I would need my own space. And so we decided 20 footer would be the ultimate.
Yeah, yours was really the first non Tumbleweed design that I saw that I really liked. You know, because I think Britney's is a pencil, and which is classic Tumbleweed design. Yeah.
That actually was one of the ones I was looking at. Option. Yeah.
When I saw you know, when I saw your dormers and just the, the way that that the they opened up the space. That became a new inspiration for me. Yeah.
And the only reason I changed this design mostly is because I knew that we were going to be inside our space most of the time. Being two people we needed a little extra room. So that's why I bumped off the porch. I figured I could build a big porch outside of my house. I don't need it to be attached to it permanently. Right. Although I do love, love big porches on tiny houses. Yeah,
they are great. But you could also do that as a separate structure or a permanent structure. You know, build it around your tiny house once you've kind of settled in.
Yeah, like Jenna from you. Danger, like tiny house in Germany. She's out in Washington as well. And she has her her tiny house park where she's renting it currently, but also living in at the same time. And she built a beautiful, large, large deck on hers, which is exactly what I dream of. Yeah, I've
seen some photos of that. And I kind of went with the middle ground. I put a little porch on my tiny house.
But I love your little porch, though. Oh, thanks. It's
quite rainy and snowy here in Vermont as well. So it's important to have a covered space to take your shoes off or just shake the water off before you get inside. So you also sell your plans for your tiny house, correct?
I do. Yeah, there's still a I do get occasional sales here and there. But my gosh, the tiny house market for plans is just so enormous. Now. It's crazy. Yeah.
It seems like everybody wants everybody either goes custom. Or they go to a builder and they buy like, some kind of stock model. Oh,
yeah. The builders are definitely doing their work right now. Yeah, I don't think too many people are I think the plans are more for like ideas. People kind of get them as Yeah. And it's like a starting point of what they what they like, and then go from there. There
are still there are plenty of people doing DIY build that I know. But it's just and I think it's it's not a bad thing. I think as the appeal of tiny houses, spreads wider and wider. Just the reality is that not everybody is going to build their own house. And I think that's okay.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Have you seen or heard anything from anybody who built one of your houses that you've you've seen one?
It's interesting, because I'm looking at different inspirational photos of like tiny houses that kind of piqued my interest. And occasionally, I will discover one that looks very similar. It's interesting to see how the exact build is the same as my house. But the materials and everything are completely different and how it makes it feel and look like a completely different apps. Like it doesn't look like my house at all. Yeah,
what you do with the finishes really changes things. Yeah. I've actually never, I also sell the plans for mine. And I don't think I've ever seen one of my houses built. So anybody who's listening and built, built one, either one of our houses, I'm sure we'd both love to see them.
Yeah, definitely. Now, you also,
you have another tiny house that you designed after, after the one that you're in.
Yeah, that was, oh, my gosh, as soon as we were done doing our tiny house, I just had an itch to do more. Like I had already designed and built the one that we were in, and I wanted to build more. But of course, you know, I'm not going to actually physically build. But what I do have resource too, is my 3d program where I built my tiny house originally. And so yeah, I kind of use that platform to kind of move forward and give other
examples. So I included a couple of different things that I thought would work, be a nice flow for a tiny house as well without it actually being built. And because of doing that I had gotten a lot of work, 3d work based on it. So I will get a lot of tiny house builders, contacting me to create their tiny house I see into a 3d render so that they can post it. It's something that they themselves are going to build,
but they haven't built yet. So they need to give clients an idea of what it would look like. And so I was able to pick up a lot of work, just based on that
experience. And are you still doing that kind of work?
Currently, I'm not I am mom. I am running the mom life and doing my Airbnb business currently.
Awesome. And, and your husband Chris is a photographer. Yeah,
he's an editor, editorial photographer in Seattle. Yeah, which he is actually in the midst of a job change into web development.
Ah, so is he on the road a lot for his photography work?
Um, no, he's he stays. He works for a zoom really. So he's, he's in one location currently. Cool.
So I'm curious, you know, having Having built the house for mobility, but then having stayed in one place? Do you? You know, do you wish you had maybe gone wider? Or did you? Maybe you could talk about that just like, reflect on on that? Because I'm the same I have my own thoughts about it. Yeah,
no, um, it's an interesting thing. So of course, at the, at the time that we built, there wasn't resources, right. And we built ours based on the idea of someone else's build, because that was the only thing we could go off of. And so we built inside the wheel wells of our trailer. And now I see other people who build on the outside of their wheel wells.
And it's incredible how just those few extra inches on each side can make a space look that much bigger, I don't think I would go as as wide is to need a special permit to bring it down the road. Because having it tiny does give me a lot more options for fitting it into smaller spaces as I as I have had to do, right. But honestly, there's like not a whole lot that I would have changed with my house because I love how how everything turned out and it
still is home to me. Honestly, when I when I first posted it on Airbnb, I had, I had such an idea of helping inspire others to go tiny themselves and use it as a tool as much as I could, because I couldn't use it myself. But I'm not gonna lie when I when I see gas, come into my house, I get so sad because it's my home, you know, I live in another house. But this is my home. So it's really hard to see other people being able to enjoy it in that form. Whereas I'm
currently not. But still gives me do gives me the drive to to continue because I see how many people it has inspired. That's
awesome. So like, I'm, I have the exact same feeling about about mine, I don't live in it currently. And I would absolutely suck second, your your statement that you know, just a couple extra inches makes them seem so much bigger, just that extra width. I would personally probably go a little wider, you know? Yeah, knowing that I've, I'm actually, you know, for the first time since moving it after being built, you know, immediately after I finished building, we moved it.
And now six years later, we actually are losing our parking is we have to find a new place. And it's it's kind of heart wrenching. But it's also knowing that I've only moved at once in six years. There's a couple of different widths. And you know, you can go over eight, six, at least in Vermont. I think it's up to 10 feet. And it's just a simple permit that you self, you know, you go online, you pay 25 bucks, and you move it. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't want to go as wide as like needing a chase
vehicle. But yeah, that's
I've seen I've seen many people do that as well with the building it out, even if you I mean, you have to accommodate your your roofing because it's kind of overhead anyway. And that's the funny thing, too, with my bill is my build is much smaller in regards to the regulations for what you need for width and height. I mean, I kept it within the wheel well, so I knew width wise, it was going to be fine. But for the height was always a question because I can design it to be a
certain height. But there's always those little things that you don't realize that may come into play and then all of a sudden you're over or even where I was parked was so unlevel that it was really hard to even calculate how high my roof really was when it was done being built because of course we added on and so it started shrinking so I I purposely designed it to be shorter than what was necessary.
Nice. I want to follow up about your your kind of backyard Tiny House parking. Would you consider what what you are you've created there to be like a mini tiny house community? Or are you more looking to just kind of provide a spot for tinies on a temporary basis.
I definitely had the intention of doing more of a community not so much of a stop and go. I wanted whoever was going to be here to feel like They were home, and felt like they could stay here not to say that I haven't had in the past people coming and going just perfectly fine. Because if it's something that is just a temporary spot for them, then I can still offer up. But ultimately, I had hoped to breed a small, tiny house community among friends.
Got it? Well, one thing that I like to ask all my guests is what are two or three resources that you would recommend to our listeners, you know, things that maybe helped you out? Or since there wasn't a lot around when you were building? You could also, you know, when people ask you for advice today, you know, where do you send them?
Definitely, resources are very, very important these days, even with as much as there is available. So one of the main resources that I had used when I first started, was obviously the internet. But there wasn't a whole lot regarding tiny houses. But now there is and Tiny House magazine is probably a really good ask that for getting your general information as well as inspirational stories, and
workshops, workshops. When we when we were I think just finishing up our build, we got invited to talk at different workshops, there's one that Dee Williams run down here called Pat. And we would come down every six months and speak about our experiences. And in those workshops are awesome tools to collaborate as well get everyone else who's interested in building tiny, talking to each other. And then the circle kind of just grows. And then even staying local and doing meetup
groups. I, I run a meetup group in the greater Seattle area, and we do different different tours, I try to give Open House tours for people to come in and check out our space as well as anyone else who was in here. So like right now, we currently only have one other tiny house or pet she lives in her tiny house. But at one point, we also had Sean Burke living on the property. And he was in the process of building a shipping container
tiny. And so there are three different tiny houses here, completely opposite of each other, but they all serve. And they all provide different views on what you could do. And so it was really great to be able to open up to people locally as well.
That's, that's great advice. Malissa Tack, thank you so much for being a guest on the show today. It was great to connect with you.
Thank you so much, Ethan.
Thank you so much to Malissa tack for being a guest on the show. You can find Show Notes including links to Malissa's website, plans that she has designed and lots of photos of her beautiful tiny house at the tiny house dotnet slash 098. Again, that's the tiny house dotnet slash 098. Don't forget to leave a review of the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast in Apple podcasts stitcher or wherever you listen. You can find all the links at rate this podcast.com/t H LP. Well, that's all for this week.
I'm your host Ethan Waldman, and I'll be back next week with another episode of the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast.