Time To Say Goodbye

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A podcast about Asia, Asian America, and life during the Coronavirus pandemic, featuring Jay Caspian Kang.

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Seattle nostalgia and autonomous zones, the ESPN Bruce Lee documentary, and guest Nikil Saval

Hello! This is our freshest recording yet—part one made just hours ago. In this episode, we talk about the latest hotspot in the Black Lives Matter uprising: Seattle, near where Andy and Tammy grew up and where Jay has family; and Jay and Andy review the new ESPN documentary on Bruce Lee. We then welcome our special guest (and Andy’s friend and fellow Philadelphian) Nikil Saval, the presumptive winner(!) of a seat in the Pennsylvania State Senate. (There is no Republican in the race.) Follow the...

Jun 09, 2020•1 hr 25 min

A cop is still a cop; 'PoC' respectability politics, and how China sees the American Uprising

A special welcome to all new subscribers! Today’s episode is about the murder of George Floyd and the actions around the country. A few days ago, Jay wrote in our newsletter about Tou Thao, the Hmong cop who participated in Floyd’s killing, and “the myths of Asian American solidarity.” Jay describes what motivated this post, and we discuss when Asian American self-reflection is useful versus narcissistic Tammy and Jay describe the protests they attended in Brooklyn and Oakland, respectively, ove...

Jun 01, 2020•1 hr 11 min

Asian Americans and the SAT; Labor Struggles in Hong Kong and China, with guest Jenny Chan

Hello! In this episode, we chat about relocating during the pandemic, reading (or, in Jay’s case, not reading) physical books, and the University of California system’s recent decision to suspend use of the SAT in admissions. We then give a transnational welcome to Jenny Chan , professor of sociology and China studies at Hong Kong Polytechnic University and co-author of the forthcoming book, Dying for an iPhone . Jenny has devoted the last decade to researching labor conditions and activism in C...

May 26, 2020•57 min

Mike Davis, the Trucker and Meatcutter Turned Marxist Legend

Hello! We’re extremely excited about today’s episode, which includes a lengthy interview with Mike Davis, a friend of the international working class and the author of works such as Prisoners of the American Dream , City of Quartz , and Planet of Slums . We talk about “this moment,” and the need for dissent, street protest and the refusal of the false choice laid out in front of working people between risking their health and complete financial ruin. He also tells us about his rock collection. M...

May 18, 2020•1 hr 17 min

EPISODE 6: The Worst Representatives of AAPI Heritage Month and Who’s Using the Anti-China Playbook.

Hello from the US lockdown! It’s just the three of us this episode, chatting about soggy bread and soggier humans—and all things China, America’s best frenemy and the official scapegoat of the 2020 election. 1:00 - What's the deal with focaccia? Tammy loves it, but Jay and Andy associate it with terrible sandwiches on Manhattan’s Upper West Side. 3:17 - The Goopy cook and columnist Alison Roman got semi-canceled last week. We unwisely weigh in on this racialized controversy among wealthy celebri...

May 13, 2020•41 min

EPISODE 5: American contact tracing, Nimby scolding, and guest, Tre Kwon.

Happy belated May 1st, international workers’ day! This episode is about organizing and health care “heroes.” We talk about cheering for essential workers, Whitmanesque yawps and coyote mewls, and the politics of “shelter in place.” Why are liberals so angry at people who need to get some air? And what’s behind right-wing protests at state capitals? We consider the underlying grievances and explore the possibility of class-based organizing. Our guest, in the second half, is Tre Kwon, an ICU nurs...

May 05, 2020•57 min

EPISODE 4: Rejecting Upwardly Mobile Asian-American Politics, Taiwan and the WHO, and guest Wilfred Chan.

Hello! This episode is about the politics of the Asian diaspora. We explain why we named our podcast Time to Say Goodbye and update one another on quarantine pickling (to Maangchi or not to Maangchi?). We then tackle the more serious topic of Asian American politics: How might we move beyond “seat at the table,” professional-class concerns and embrace an “internationalist” perspective that looks to Asia? Andy tells us about his new book, published just last week, which leads to a brief discussio...

Apr 28, 2020•1 hr 20 min

EPISODE 3: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about Korean Test-and-Trace

Welcome to Time To Say Goodbye ! Today, we have a bonus episode for you about Korean coronavirus test-and-trace—with Max Kim, a journalist living in Seoul who recently wrote a lengthy article for the New Yorker as well as an informative and timely piece a few months back for the MIT Technology Review . We are still experimenting with the format of these emails, so today we thought we’d highlight some of the points we discussed with Max. 1:13 - How the Korean response to Covid-19 was a direct res...

Apr 24, 2020•47 min

EPISODE 2: African Guangzhou and Coronavoting in Korea

EPISODE 2: African Guangzhou and Coronavoting in Korea Hello! Time to Say Goodbye is a podcast—with your hosts, Jay Caspian Kang, Tammy Kim, and Andy Liu. We launched this thing because, like you, we’ve been sheltering in place and wanted an outlet for our thoughts on the coronavirus, Asia, geopolitics, and Asian Americans. A short introduction to your hosts: Jay Caspian Kang is a writer-at-large for the New York Times Magazine and the author of the upcoming book The Loneliest Americans. E. Tamm...

Apr 22, 2020•1 hr 10 min

EPISODE 1: Pangolin Panic and Why the West Said "No" to Masks

Hello! Time to Say Goodbye is a podcast—with your hosts, Jay Caspian Kang, Tammy Kim, and Andy Liu. We launched this thing because, like you, we’ve been sheltering in place and wanted an outlet for our thoughts on the coronavirus, Asia, geopolitics, and Asian Americans. A short introduction to your hosts: Jay Caspian Kang is a writer-at-large for the New York Times Magazine and the author of the upcoming book The Loneliest Americans. E. Tammy Kim is a magazine reporter, a contributing opinion wr...

Apr 13, 2020•1 hr 36 min

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