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Rethinking Math Education Part 3: S2 E26

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Episode description

Part 3 of 4

In this episode, Cheri and Jonily discuss breaking down the essential concepts in mathematics that every student should master, the power of reference tasks, and strategies to individualize learning with less prep and stress for teachers. They also explore how functional skills intersect with math learning and how to make math accessible to all students without lowering rigor.

We’ve separated this workshop into four parts. Look for all four episodes.

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RESOURCES/COURSES MENTIONED

  1. Tier 1 Interventions Workshops https://disabilitylabs.com/courses/tier-1-interventions-workshops

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BOOKS

Making Mathineers on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Making-Mathineers-Transformational-Experiences-Conceptual-ebook/dp/B08NFCZ64K

Handwriting Brain Body DISconnect Digital Version: https://disabilitylabs.com/courses/hwbbd

 On Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Handwriting-Brain-Body-DisConnect-techniques-ebook/dp/B07N1XB1G7

Both books are also available in paperback and hardcover versions. All versions are available wherever books are sold.

Math DYSconnected - To be released in 2024.

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TIME CODES

01:00 Why Tier 1 matters for all students

01:28 OTs and the importance of teaching symbols

02:24 The role of explicit teaching in symbol recognition

03:47 Science of Reading vs. Science of Math

04:41 Number sense must be experienced

05:04 Functional, non-academic supports in the classroom

06:09 Teaching rate through movement

07:09 Experiencing numbers physically

08:10 More non-academic ways to support math

08:23 Sarah shares the bike wheel activity

09:40 Understanding rate through rotation

10:33 Paper folding and inverse reasoning

11:17 Conceptual fraction learning through activity

11:53 Recipe scaling: Fractions in real life

12:19 Skip counting as a way to build number sense

12:43 Cyber school math events

13:17 Introducing multiple symbols in early grades

14:00 Using 'by' and dot for dimensional notation

14:31 Cheri on functional supports and interoception

16:44 Emotions, feelings, and moods in learning

18:19 Motivation is key to student engagement

19:02 What is a Focus Trigger?

20:04 Kindergarten focus trigger example

21:10 Introducing names with associations

22:00 Teaching thinking through math

23:07 Discovering students’ needs through interaction

24:18 Managing energy and engagement with movement

25:22 Student reengagement through trust and movement

26:34 Tune in next week: Why Focus Triggers Work

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MISSION

Minds on Math, LLC: To provide engaging, high-quality professional development and instructional coaching for teachers to improve student achievement and understanding of mathematics.


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QUESTION

What is your biggest struggle in your classroom right now? Include grade level and your role. Share in the comments or email us at:

Cheri@cheridotterer.com

Jonily@mindsonmath.com

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#math #education #teaching #mathintervention #strugglingstudents

Transcript

Intro / Opening

Speaker 4

Hey everybody! Welcome to Tier 1 Interventions, where we work on helping you gain the core in your classroom. I am Cheri Dotterer, your classroom coach. That's Cheri with a C and Dot with a stutter. I'm here today with Jonily Zupancic, your instructional coach on mathematics. And we are here to help learn, help you learn how to deliver your math instruction in a very unique way. Today we are going to talk about the pain problem. Jonily

Speaker 6

get us started! Hey everybody. I'm Jay-Z. Jay-Z in the house, Jonily Zupancic and Tier one Interventions is, as Sherry said, strengthening your core regular classroom. So this is for specifically the classroom teacher, partnering with the intervention specialist, instructional coach, curriculum leader, principal.

Why Tier 1 matters for all students

Special Service Provider, Occupational Therapist, Speech Therapist. How can kids get exactly what they need in the Tier 1 Core Regular General Classroom? Too often we have kids leaving the room to be pulled out for small group Tier 2 or Tier 3 intervention. This week we're going to talk about part three of the background to the paint problem.

OTs and the importance of teaching symbols

Speaker 4

I was doing a webinar for OTs earlier this month. And one of the OTs that was on that call said to me, I never even considered that parentheses. Square root sign. The division sign would be something that my kids needed me to address with them. So I say this for your awareness as well.

Anybody who's out there listening to the podcast that Not only do we need to help kids with letters and numbers, we also need to help them understand the symbols that go with mathematics, the symbols that go with social studies, the symbols that go with music and science, because they don't make the connections.

The role of explicit teaching in symbol recognition

Speaker 6

When we talk about improving number sense, we always say this is an inborn, innate, intuitive understanding of number. That cannot be explicitly taught. It must be experienced. And that's what all of this module is all about. But Sherry makes a point. What does need to be explicitly taught are the connections between those conceptual contextual experiences and the symbols and notation that must be explicit. We must tell kids exactly what it means.

over and over again and make those connections to the conceptual. But kids aren't just gonna figure out a parenthesis. They're not just gonna figure out a square root. That must be explicitly and deliberately taught. I say it, they hear it, and then they tell me what I just said and they learn it. So very important to understand this as we're moving through the science of math. That is up and coming.

The differences between what needs to be explicitly taught in mathematics and what cannot be explicitly taught in mathematics. With the science of reading, the collection of research on how students learn to read.

Science of Reading vs. Science of Math

Reading must be explicitly taught. That's what the collection of science says for reading. My fear when we move into science of math is we're going to try to parallel that for everything. But what we're missing in schools is a high level of number sense. And that can never be explicitly taught. It must only be experienced through these things.

That experience is what is going to provide The functional aspects for students to be able to individualize where they are and be able to work independently on mathematics. We seem to not be able to ever get to a point in any classroom at any grade level where students can independently work on mathematics.

Number sense must be experienced

Because we're not focused on iterated and repeated reasoning. Using reference tasks and bringing them back again with a different number, kids already have been explicitly taught the process. Now they can independently repeat the process with other numbers. This is also how we individualize and build independence in mathematics.

Functional, non-academic supports in the classroom

What are some of these other non academic functional pieces? That's the question that we're going to answer here in this, in Part 2. Part 2, what are some of the non academic functional pieces that need to be included in Tier 1 general? Core instruction so the kids don't have to be pulled out of the room to go to a separate small group, a separate teacher to learn how to function, behave, regulate and manage their learning.

And I say this has to do with rate because one of the examples of rate is. Speed. How fast? That's innate and intuitive right there, because as Teresa mentioned, when we go to the gym and we get physical and we do movement, we could have short distance running races and use a stopwatch, because what we're measuring is distance.

Teaching rate through movement

Per time, and that is the pure definition of rate. I don't have to teach it as rate in second grade. We can just do these short distance runnings, and we can document the distance to the finish line, and then the time it took for each student to get there. And we're collecting data, we're experiencing it, we have physical movement, and then we're going to use those numbers for mathematics. Now, not only can I improve my number sense by seeing number as shape, like with a quick dot.

to start to give meaning to number. Now I can physically feel number. Because I can see who is faster, and whatever number that is, is going to be a smaller number as far as time. Because if I have the same distance, finish line is at the start and finish line.

Experiencing numbers physically

I have the same distance for every race. But the smaller the number, Why does that mean? The faster they got there because the definition of rate, one of the definitions for rate is distance per time. So I can take my younger kids and do these things and collect data and now they can physically feel rate. This is what we're missing in mathematics. So that's a, that's an example of a functionality. A non academic way to put movement into mathematics.

But also be able to improve number sense experientially. So let's talk about some other functional non academic features of interventions that can be done in the regular Tier 1 classroom.

More non-academic ways to support math

Speaker 4

Before you get started, Sarah has a question.

Speaker 6

Sarah, question. And I'm not going to get started. I was going to turn it over to you, Sherry. Be ready with some other functional interventions.

Sarah shares the bike wheel activity

Speaker 9

Sarah, go ahead. Okay. I want to do two things. And I don't want to sidetrack too much. I did want to say yesterday at our like pie event when you said rate, I was thinking one of the moments I love. Yesterday, the most I was doing this we called it our bike race activity. We basically had two hula hoops that were, like, different bike wheel sizes. And the so I tried to keep the station flexible. I changed the questions depending on the students that were there and what I felt like.

But I, had these two students and we one of the questions I would ask is like how estimate how many rolls of their wheel they thought it would take to get to like our finish line, which was marked off. But this one. This one brother and sister we got to talking about the number of rotations for the the wheels and I think this this would relate to paint problem, right? Because it's the inverse relationship, right?

And I asked Or they came up with a statement like the bigger wheel has less rotations because of the length of it. And the smaller wheel would have more rotations. Because of its length. And so it's just really exciting to have that rate conversation without using any math We were just talking about what we see, what we know, that kind of thing.

Understanding rate through rotation

So that's more an observation comment. My question though, was hold off on that question

Speaker 6

point on that too. And that is, that's just like fraction, my younger kids, my younger students, and even my older students, when we do experiential contextual with paper folding with fraction, they will come to discover that, wait a minute, the bigger the whole number.

When that number is the denominator of a fraction, the more pieces, but the smaller the piece, and that's really difficult for kids to overcome unless they experience it contextually and conceptually, and one of our, I'm going to put this up here, another reference task is paper folding that we need kids to experience, which is really connected to what Sarah's talking about with the rotation of the wheel, because it's that sort of counterintuitive inverse understanding

when I ask kids, which is bigger?

Paper folding and inverse reasoning

1 8th or 1 4th? 1 8th is always the answer. It's wrong, but it's very popular. Okay, so kids need to understand that the larger the number of the denominator, the smaller the pieces, and they only can do that. I can tell them 500. 86 times. And we do this in schools. We tell them and tell them and tell Guys, we've told you this! We've told Yeah, you know what? That's the problem! Ding! Insanity! Doing the same thing over and expecting a different result!

That's why we need to unlearn, relearn, rethink. These contextual, conceptual, experiential ways of delivering math instruction so that kids can figure it out on their own.

Conceptual fraction learning through activity

Then we can explicitly teach the association and the connection to the symbol and language. Sarah, question though.

Speaker 9

Now you make me think of our math night. I did a recipe scaling with kids and your fraction thing, right? So we were talking about, I told them, I said, when I bake, I like to use as few tools. A few measuring tools as possible. So I don't have to clean as many things. So when we were looking at the recipe, like if it said, whatever the measures were, and I said, what if we only used the quarter teaspoon? Like, how is that going to change? You know what we do?

And one of the students did get to that point.

Recipe scaling: Fractions in real life

We're using a smaller Teaspoon. So we need more of them to and which is what you're saying about that fraction, right? The like smaller, the denominator, the more we're going to need to like get to that. So think about it

Speaker 6

when we skip count by eight. And we skip count by 12s, which one is going to get to 120 faster?

Skip counting as a way to build number sense

See, that's right. But Sarah, let's talk about this for a minute. You teach in a cyber school. So were you guys all together on site

Speaker 9

yesterday? What's up? Yeah. Sorry. So yesterday was a we host in person events for like special, like once a month or special occasions. Like our pie day is one of those regional activities and we were in person.

Cyber school math events

Love it so much. Okay. What's your question? Sorry. My question is back to the symbols. Okay. Because this comes up consistently with the sixth grade teachers the, Multiplication can transition to dot and parentheses from the like little X. And my question is, like, how early on is it okay to start introducing the different symbols to elementary students like Okay, so like from the get go, just interchange them and know it means the same thing.

Introducing multiple symbols in early grades

Okay, all right.

Speaker 6

So what I'll sometimes do, this is a good question, what I'll sometimes do is remember when we had the 3x5 on the dimension and blah, blah, blah? Sometimes I'll just do three by five, but I tell kids this is not a dot number. That's our by three by five, because if I put the.here, and I do this in kinder one, two, if I put the.here, I have to be very specific where the dot goes. 'cause this means three by five rectangle, but this is a dot number. It's a decimal number.

3. 50. So I'm introducing and exposing that way early, starting in kindergarten. By second grade, kids should be able to see that My bi number, my

Using 'by' and dot for dimensional notation

rectangle notation, and this is what's important about calling that blank multiplication chart the dimension chart. I can use the word bi, I can use a dot, I can use parentheses, and it really has nothing to do with multiplication, it's a notation of dimensions. Follow up question on that.

Cheri on functional supports and interoception

Okay, other functional non academic aspects. Sherry, talk to us a little bit about what that looks like in your setting and how it can be done in the regular classroom. Sure,

Speaker 4

what I mentioned this a little earlier, I lost my page. Where did it go? I always have to have pictures for everybody, right?

Speaker 2

All right.

Speaker 4

So I was talking a little bit earlier about. Interoception. Interoception is the response of our nervous system where it's going to turn on and turn off. parts of the body based on what our needs are. Our brain, our body, and our blood system, and our nervous system, it wants to keep our heart and our brain functioning. So there are times in our system where we don't send as much blood. To our digestive system or different parts of our body there, so there's an actual nervous system.

It's called the autonomic nervous system that turns on and turns off. It'll increase or decrease blood heart rate, depending on how much activity we are needing. I think I am sharing. Oh no, I'm not sharing any screen yet. The other part of it is feelings. And that's what I want to share the screen for. And that is That we have eight senses or eight emotions, joy, trust, fear, surprise, sadness, disgust, anger, and anticipation.

We have about 4, 000 feelings, but the difference is that emotion is that first seven seconds before we even think about it.

Emotions, feelings, and moods in learning

It's that gut response that our body. It does without us even thinking about it. It is part of the subconscious. It is part of our innate nature. We talk about numeracy cycle being innate. We've got eight core emotions that are innate. So kids that are refusing mathematics or handwriting or whatever task you're asking them to do, one of those eight, most likely fear, is the Is overcoming their ability to engage in the task.

So the emotion I said, there's eight is a neurobiological response to that initial gut reaction before we can even think about it. Once we can think about it. Once it brings up into our conscious, then we can evaluate it, and that's when it becomes a feeling. But there's also something else that I haven't really ever talked about before, and that is called mood. And that is our disposition. That is the kind of that thing that lasts forever.

That's why people can get be in a depressed mood or a sad mood. That's different than emotion. When it becomes this long drawn out Disposition. It's the way we're feeling over time. That is our mood and we can change those moods and that is going to change that emotional response.

Motivation is key to student engagement

That in itself is the best way to reengage kids in their education is changing their mood. It's the most difficult part of. education. But that is the key. The key to making that change is motivation. So we need to change how they're motivated to engage in the mathematics. And what Jonily is teaching. About engaging kids in mathematics is a way of circumventing those moods and remotivating kids into their education

What is a Focus Trigger?

Speaker 6

and what Sherry and I together teach on. And what she's talking about is umbrella underneath this phrase, focus triggers, a focus trigger is the exact action that I, as the facilitator and instruction can take. With a student to reengage and to motivate I'm going to go back to my kindergarten audio yesterday in this kindergarten class, and this was all non academic, and this might be very criticized by.

Educators and administrators, but I'm telling you, if you want kids to be motivated intrinsically, if you want kids to be able to function at a very high level, if regardless of disability or ability, if you want kids to be able to engage in the task at hand.

Kindergarten focus trigger example

and work independently. You'll hear many focus triggers on this kindergarten audio. I'm going to tell you about a few of them right now. So whenever I teach a class of kids, no matter the age level, in the first three minutes, I can find out how, who our special students are. Okay, it's not rocket science. Ended up finding out yesterday, and you'll hear how I do this on the audio, because what I will do is, I will give some prompts to gather student perspective to get a feel for the classroom.

And I might say, so yesterday I introduced myself, I say I'm Mrs. Zoo Panzick, Zoo, like where animals are, Pan, like frying pan sick, like you're not feeling well, say that. Zupancic. Boom, there's a focus trigger right there. I give an association for my name, then I make them say it. That's actually two focus triggers. Creating an association, my last name, Zupancic, it's a little difficult. Make an association. Zoo, where animals are. Pan, frying pan. Sick, like you're not feeling well.

Introducing names with associations

Okay, so that's one focus trigger is to make that association. And another focus trigger is make them say it. Make them repeat it. Wrote. Okay, so you guys say it. Zoo, pan, sick. Okay, so focus triggers. There's two right there just very subtle and you'll hear that in the audio and now that I pointed it out to you, it'll be very intentional. You'll see that. And so as I'm having them do this, I watch for the kids that are laying on their desks or being like, THE PIZZA! Okay?

Hey, come on, I'm not exaggerating at all. Okay, so then I go on and I start telling them that I used to have a classroom like this and I just like to go in different math classrooms and do math with them. And then I went on. Another focus trigger is to share the purpose.

Teaching thinking through math

Okay, another focus trigger is to share the purpose. I went on to say, How do you guys exercise your body? Oh, we work out. You lift weights. You can run. That's all exercise for the body. But what do we do to exercise the mind? And they were like, We work out. We lift weights. We run. I'm like, No. I said, No. No, that's, we exercise the body. And then another little lady, she raised her hand. I called on her cause she plays school really well. And she's math. I'm like, that is exactly right.

We do math to exercise the mind, the brain. So that is a perspective in and of itself. So when I'm teaching kids, I tell them, I don't teach math. I teach thinking. So when they ask gosh, when are we ever going to use this? Probably never. You're never going to have to think. Okay, the thing is, thinking is my content, like I teach thinking through the vehicle of mathematics. See that's an unlearn, re, relearn, rethink right there.

Discovering students' needs through interaction

So if you are an educator, intervention specialist, or instructional facilitator, of mathematics. You teach thinking. You just use mathematics to teach that thinking. Couple other, and then then I found out my good friend Jace. I thought it was Chase, and then I was like ch, and they were like, no juh, Jace. I'm like, ooh, because my first name is Jonaly juh, and then they were like, oh, but we have juh, James, and Jesse, and juh, and it was just a whole thing, and it was fun.

And But the kid beside Jace kept speaking for him, so I picked up on that, and I said, Oh, are you his secretary? He's yes, and I'm like, okay, I need to keep this kid near Jace. You pick up on these things, but what I'm doing is I'm using focus triggers. I'm getting kids to hone in and focus on one thing so that they can give me their perspective so that I can teach to their perspective. Okay, making a lot of associations and connections.

So once I find out who Jace is, we come to carpet, I make sure Jace is near me and his secretary on carpet.

Managing energy and engagement with movement

So that was beautiful, okay. We go back to our seats, but I make Jace stay with me. Because I knew this kid needed to wonk the willies out. Okay, I knew explaining what we were going to do with the 120 chart and starting that facilitation with the kids before I mini lessened to that small group. I knew Jace needed to just be up and moving and not at his table. He wasn't going to get anything out of that anyway.

So he was beside me and then he started spinning and I'm like, Jace, you keep spinning. He would spin and then he'd jump and then he'd spin and then he'd jump. And then. He was behind me and the whole class was attending to me and ignoring Jace because they know Jace is special. So I move strategically to another area of the room. Jace stayed over there doing his jumps and spins and whatever. And then I finished explaining and I said okay so now go ahead with your 120 chart.

I'm going to come to your group, so I'm going to help you. And I said, Jace, come on back. And I said, Jace, No, sorry.

Student reengagement through trust and movement

This was before they were making squares with blocks. Blah. Jonily, you got the whole story messed up. Anyway, doesn't matter. The point is, while I was explaining that we're going to make squares and what that means and equal sides and da, I totally screwed this up. We should re record this, but we're not going to because I'm out of time. Anyway. So then, he comes back, before I went and observed other groups, when he came back I said, Hey, do you know what we're going to do right now?

And he's we're going to make squares. I didn't expect him to say that, because he was off over in La Land. But do you see, he needed to do all that, and it didn't bother any of the other kids. They didn't ask why he was doing that. They probably intuitively know why he's doing that. He came back, and I wasn't expecting him to say, we're making squares, but he did. And I'm like, do you know what a square is?

And he was getting a little weird and I was like, you know what, here's your blocks, go ahead and make squares. And then he, for the next 10 minutes, was so focused and engaged and in tune and working independently. See, focus, a focus trigger for him, he's got to spin and jump. Then he can attune to the task. And he was listening to every word you said. Why?

Tune in next week: Why Focus Triggers Work

Tune in next week where I answer the question, why?

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