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Forever 16 | Chapter 9

Apr 05, 202431 minSeason 1Ep. 9
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Summary

The episode delves into the emotional parole hearing of Rachel Schoff, one of Skylar Neese's killers, where Dave Neese delivers a raw and powerful victim impact statement. It explores the immediate aftermath of the parole denial, the community's ongoing struggle with the brutal crime, and how the Neese family and others have coped by moving away and maintaining an unbreakable bond. The episode also touches on the potential role of social media in the tragedy and the family's efforts to keep Skylar's memory alive.

Episode description

Morgantown attempts to heal. What, if anything, can be learned from the senseless murder of Skylar Neese?


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Intro / Opening

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Hi everyone, I'm Delia D'Ambra, and on my podcast Counterclock, I don't just revisit cold cases, I reinvestigate them. Each season, I turn back the clock on cases that have gone quiet over time and work to uncover what may have been missed. That means re-examining evidence, tracking down new leads, and speaking directly with the people closest to the case.

This season, I'm investigating the Lane Bryant murders. Over the past year, I've spoken with law enforcement, victims, loved ones, and individuals who have never shared their perspectives. I've followed leads from Chicago to Texas, re-examined timelines, and taken a closer look at what was happening in Tinley Park at the time than what may have been overlooked. But even after all of that, I keep coming back to the same question. How has this case not been solved?

This season of Counterclock is not just about what happened inside that store. It's about what happened after and what it might take to finally get answers. Counterclock Season 8 is available now, wherever you get your podcast.

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This podcast is intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

Rachel's Parole Hearing and Dave's Plea

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Ten years after Sheila Eddie and Rachel Schoff took Skylar Niece's life, Rachel appeared before the parole board, facing an audience of three. Normally the victim's family is physically present at such an event. But due to the pandemic, Lakin patched the niece family and friends into the hearing room over the phone. They couldn't see their daughter's killer in person.

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Thank you.

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But they heard what she had to say for herself. After Rachel was finished, her father, Rusty Schof, spoke briefly. First, acknowledging the niece's sorrow and their loss, he then went on to cite Rachel's prison education and religious faith. And said if released, she would be loved and supported by her family. He closed saying she'd been rehabilitated and she was not a threat to any member of society. Then the parole board offered Dave Nece a turn to speak. This time he accepted the opportunity.

Through the phone you could feel his raw pain and anger.

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And uh you may go ahead and address the board at what you'd like for us to take consideration, please.

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Ladies and gentlemen of the West Virginia Parole Board, thank you for the opportunity to tell you why this inmate should not be granted parole. Because of the malicious monster my child would never get a limo ride to her prom instead she got a ride in a corner's vehicle. Also there was no sparkling gaunt gown for Skylar, just a body bag. She will never have a certificate of graduation, only a death certificate, because of this inmates' action.

This cold-blooded killer is not sorry for the brutal murder of my only child. It's my belief she's proud she murdered my daughter in cold blood. The day after she plunged kitchen knives into my child, this devil was seen on a boat. With a friend posing for photographs. The date of July sixth, twenty twelve was chosen for a specific reason, you see. Wanted the killing out of the way before she left for church camp. Okay. Just another task to mark off her list.

Like standing over my child, and I do quote this saying, Die, bitch, as she took her last breath. Thank you for listening to me. I've got a little bit more. I wasn't there to defend my baby girl from this diabolical killer on July 6, 2012, but I'm here today to do everything within my power to make sure she stays behind bars. This inmate has proven that she is evil and mentally unstable.

No one can fix that kind of madness. I believe if she's paroled, she will kill again. Murder is a game to this inmate. Ladies and gentlemen, this is insanity. This person had proved to be a narcissist and a dangerous person to society with no remorse in her soul. This inmate has destroyed so many lives when she murdered Skylar. This inmate is a rat who got a deal. That's the only thing that saves her from first-degree murder charges.

She has she showed us where Skyler's body was. She's also the one that put her there. This bitch is murder sits here today asking for a second chance. Well I wanna ask you guys something. We're Skylar's second chance. She doesn't get a second chance because of the inmate soaps actions on July sixth, two thousand twelve. An accident is when you bump into someone. An accident is when you step on someone's shoe. This was not an accident. Thank you.

Parole Denied: Deliberation and Aftermath

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At this time the war's going to a different site and we're going to deliberate and we'll come back with our decision momentarily. Off the record.

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From Waveland, I'm Holly Malay.

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And I'm Justine Harmon. This is Three, Episode 9. Forever 16.

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Once you've made the decision to commit a murder, the very next question you ask yourself or your co-conspirator is how? And while it's true to say Rachel and Sheila didn't have easy access to a gun, it's hard to believe they couldn't get their hands on one. Especially in West Virginia, which ranks third in household gun ownership and where gun laws are especially lacked. Of all the different ways to kill someone, stabbing is the most intimate, even in the act itself.

If you can, imagine using a knife and attacking someone 10 times or 50.

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It's not our first inclination to stab someone. malicious intent, it's rage, it's Just determination. And to me, you know, it's It's definitely very personal to stab someone. You know, the the sounds that you'll hear. Everything about a stabbing, you can shoot someone from any distance and it doesn't really affect you. But being that close, they had to be covered in blood and everything else. That's that's not an easy thing to be around and I think they enjoyed it. I think they reveled in it.

whenever they were doing it. Uh, they were very, very close, which they had been close, but I think this brought them even closer. Uh, you know, blood bond and all, uh, would be how I would describe it. They've killed together, you know, they're They're together forever. In that sense, they were the only two there. They planned it. And, you know, that that bond I think scared Rachel more than it did Sheila. I think Sheila enjoyed it. That connection that they had.

And I think that's the ultimate thing that made Rachel freak out was I'm with this forever and it's never going away.

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As the parole board deliberated over what they'd just heard, back on our side of the call, tensions were high.

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She was an actress.

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School and she's gonna be an actress always as to this card. And that garbage about being so young and she didn't know better. Where did she pull that one out?

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That's they're gonna make a decision real soon.

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At this point, Tom addressed me directly.

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I don't know if you heard but we're waiting for the

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Sorry.

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Right now uh several people didn't get to speak, but I think it was clear that the board members were excellent and got her to admit things she didn't admit during the hearing, which was that she did premeditate it, she knew it was gonna happen, she knew where the knives were, and that is completely different than from before.

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Yeah.

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Can you hear me if I talk to you?

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah. Okay. I know you're with Mary and Dave. How long will you be with them? Can I call you alone afterwards so that I can recap with you because I didn't get a lot of the audience.

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Okay. Yeah, that'll be fine. We're just waiting. Let's wait for the

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After just a few minutes, the three members of the parole board had reached a decision.

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We're back on the records.

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Mm-hmm.

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Alright, Mr. the board has deliberated and at this time the board is not ready to grant you parole at this time. Uh we will see you again in May of twenty twenty-four. At that time uh hopefully no more write-ups or no write-ups at all, just like you uh Keep doing what you're doing and uh maybe you have a better uh decision at that time. You will get a decision of this hearing uh sent to you uh as soon as it's completed, ma'am. Any any questions?

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Just thank you for your talk.

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Yes ma'am, thank you. Good luck. Off the record.

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Okay, as you heard it was denied.

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Right after, Tom called me back and we spoke about what had just happened.

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The headline should be a life sentence for the lease.

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Family.

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Yeah. And that's how I looked at it. and she was trying to get off, but they were stuck with this life sentence. And that is why, you know, when they asked me, Well, why are you still here? And I said, you know, I wanna be very supportive of Dave. I knew what I knew the three girls. I knew Dave, but as as the closer we got and as things developed, we we formed the bondship that as a parent who had a

daughter, I could only imagine, you know, uh no, I can't even imagine. But you know, that that is how I approached it, as if it was my daughter. And we've become very, very close, Dave Mary and I.

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Dave's younger brother Michael, who spoke so lovingly about his niece Skylar at Rachel's sentencing, committed suicide in 2021. There's no doubt her murder played a part in his decision to end his own life and I asked Tom why this wasn't mentioned in Dave's statement to the parole board.

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They talk to me about it.

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it and they a they Mary decided she did not want to add that to it. I said the day they're married that I don't want her to think that because of her actions she still has control. You can't let her see or know anything about that because that is the final straw of what they want. Right. Because then they still are controlling the situation and controlling you.

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Rachel Schoaf came up for her first parole hearing. The parole board deciding no parole for her. Schoaf said at the hearing today, she and the other defendant in the case. had a romantic relationship. There was some fighting among the three friends that Skylar had threatened to expose their relationship.

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Rachel was despondent after the decision. Stormy heard from her friend still in Lakin.

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She was so distraught that she didn't make parole that she didn't come out of her room all that day. She didn't call her mom. She didn't call her dad. She didn't call her brother. She didn't call nobody. She stayed in her room that whole day. Didn't nobody talk to her. She didn't eat that whole day. You know, whatever. She said that it it shocked her hearing David Mary's voice after so long.

We're allowed to watch Snaps, Dateline, anything we want to watch. Anytime they're on it, we're allowed to watch it. You've heard Dave and Mary's voice on that. You've heard them say how you've messed their life up. But for you to hear it in real life is a different story?

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Rachel Schoff will be eligible again every year up until her release date of twenty twenty eight, the same date Sheila Eddie will be up for her first parole hearing.

Morgantown's Struggle to Heal

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Ten years after finding out that Skylar Nice was murdered by her two best friends, Morgantown is still trying to heal from the violence, the betrayal that destroyed the trust in a small town. The crime looms large here. At one point during our reporting, we wandered into the historic old Stonehouse gift shop on Chestnut Street. When we mentioned why we were in town, the volunteer shopkeeps' face changed. The store went cold. It was time to leave.

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I don't say we never got over it. We're slowly w it's ten years later and we're still getting up because when it comes up, for example, the ten year anniversary came up. Uh Rachel was up for um parole. And it brought back all the feelings. I mean thousands of people signed this petition. It's like they still don't want to be, they don't want it to come back in our community. The community was so

That happens in Philadelphia. That happens in California. No, that happens in New York City. Not here. Not in, you know, lovely university high school or Morgantown High School. How could something like this? happen and turn on each other and no one see it and this I'll call it the cancer that's in the other big cities is now here. So now the realism hits.

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Hey.

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We're not immune to what really is going on.

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Star City Chief of Police Jessica Kolbank agrees, and adds another chilling observation locals have been forced to accept.

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I think society in around here in the community, they were shocked that this could happen here for one and that these girls could do that, uh, because they're such pretty girls is what we kept hearing. Um you could be facially beautiful person with the most destructive demonic soul. And to me, that's how these girls were. It's it's not Everything isn't always as it seems. So I think that was the biggest shock for the community.

Escaping Haunted Memories

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While Morgantown carries on, there are those who moved away. Kelly Kearns, who'd been like a second mother to Rachel, relocated with her husband to Laramie, Wyoming. And Kim Keener, the chauffe's next door neighbor, eventually settled in Florida, far away from the cul de sac with the haunted memories.

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That Morgantown man, I'll tell ya, I was born and raised there, but now that I've been out of it about three years looking back, I'm gonna tell you that it's just really after this stuff with Rachel and And just was not comfortable in the neighborhood anymore. You know, that kind of thing. I mean my life was just wiped out from under me. I mean just complete.

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Patricia Schof and Tara Eddie are both gone now too. Before leaving town, Tara had Mike Beninger send a package to Dave and Mary niece.

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And it was the uh it was a necklace and I picked it up and right away I knew I saw it before and the note said Mrs. Clindon was cleaning out her daughter's room and found this necklace and knew it didn't belong to her and thought it might be Skyler's. Five years later, it was five years ago, I get the necklace and I look at it

And I asked Mary, I said, Mary, I've seen this somewhere where it wasn't. And then it dawned on me when last time she hugged me goodbye, the necklace flew out and hit me in the chin. And I said, You watch that necklace, you lean in.

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It's been bleeding.

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She just giggled and walked in, you know. And to find that the Yattti girl took it off her neck after she murdered her.

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Uh that's

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I'm telling you, that's serial killer stuff right there. And it's scary as hell, it really is. For somebody that young to be that evil. Are you born with it or do you grow into it?

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Dave Nice still sees his daughter everywhere. He talks to her all day long. One of the ways they keep her memory alive is through Skyler's promise. A series of talks they give around the country to high schools and prisons to share their story and prevent what happened to Skylar from happening to anyone else.

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Mary told me the other day, she goes, Why do we keep doing this? And I said I don't know, I was hoping you could tell me. She said, Dave, every time I feel like I want to stop, ten minutes later something kicks me. I said that Skylar she's not bashful. When she wants something done, she makes sure it gets done. And people may not believe in spirits or stuff, but I do, and I I believe

n things don't always happen for a reason, but every cloud has a silver lining and Skylar's death as horrible as it was took away from the world so much. I mean she would have been It's hard to tell with she might have been president of the United States. It's hard to tell with her. But one thing, Skyler was full of love, and that's what she wants on earth. She wants love. And she doesn't ever want this to happen to anyone again. And I don't either.

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Later, Dave texted me something written by his friend, Jackie Morgan. I keep it on my phone. I am often told how strong of a man I am. That is not a true statement. I do what is necessary to survive each day. Unless you have lost a loved one to a senseless and vicious murder, you will never be able to comprehend the pain faced every day as I waken only to remember once again that my daughter is no longer with us. It is as if I lose her again, each and every morning.

On a back road in Brave Pennsylvania, my heart was ripped from my body, and I will never be the same again. While others my age share photographs of their grandchildren, my child is frozen in time in a school photo in my wallet forever sixteen. I will never have the opportunity to walk her down the aisle as the wedding march plays, and lift her veil to kiss her as I give her hand to another man.

Her mother will never have the occasion to hold her daughter's hand as she labors to bring forth new life. However, as insurmountable as our loss has been, it does not compare to what was taken from Schuyler. She had her life stolen from her before she could graduate from university high school with honors. She was never able to attend college and become the lawyer that she intended to be.

Her kindness to those that were a bit different and to every living thing could have made a major impact on the world that she knew. The life of a spirited and loving young woman such as Skylarnice, that is something that you cannot begin to grasp exactly what could have been.

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Thank you.

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Absolution is not a possibility at this point in time. It is my honest assessment that it will never be a likelihood. Forgiveness is a process, a choice you have to make over and over until you are free of all hurt and pain. My precious daughter was not only viciously murdered by two individuals that she believed to be her most trusted friends. They also betrayed her on levels that a rational person could never comprehend. due to sickness and evil, Skylar will be forever sixteen.

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Scholar will forever be sixty. i it's the worst thing I've ever heard, but it's so true. You know, everybody else is showing pictures of their grandchildren and no Connor's frozen in time. It's so unfair. She didn't do anything to deserve that. Nobody does anything to deserve something like that.

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Unbreakable Love Amidst Grief

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Mary and Dave eventually moved away from Morgantown too. Never allowed a moment's rest after the case was closed, they left Star City and now live just over the West Virginia Pennsylvania state line.

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Well actually it was a few things. Mainly it was, you know, people knew where we lived because we had had we'd celebrated Skylar's birthday, had a candlelight vigil there, so they knew where we lived. Well then we We would come home from work and there would be people there waiting for us. And they would want to visit and you know bring us little gifts or just say hello or how are you doing? And at first, you know, it was okay. Well then it Has it continued it it gets on your nerves.

You know, it's like just leave us alone. And we would find stuff on our doorknob.

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Uh

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Yeah, they would leave things with our neighbors that we didn't even know. Only you know, that was pretty embarrassing. And it that and the fact that every time we turned around, you know, you saw Scott. She loved to sit out on the deck and sunbathe and she'd prop her feet up on the banister and her and Lelou would be there in the sun and you know, Lelou'd hide under the chair away from the sun sometimes. But

even just walking past her bedroom door, it just got to be too much. And it it was just time to go. You know, both of us knew it and we just decided We wanted someplace out of the way and quiet. So that's what we did. We moved.

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Mary had a heart attack two years ago. She's since retired with other health issues. But she and Dave are strong, and having survived the worst of tragedies, they're still together.

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And you know, we have heard that so much about how couples end up splitting up. I don't know how. It's like who would they lean on or depend on uh if they had split up? I I just I don't understand. Yeah, I would think it would be more the other way, but Dave says a lot that We helped each other. When he was down, I would help him through it. And when I was down, he would help me through it. And that is so true.

I can remember so many times just losing it for no reason, you know. And he was there and the same thing, you know, he would come home and and be Crazy and I'd have to calm him down. You know, it's just yeah, we we truly were there for each other. I couldn't have done it without him. That's just work.

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Even today, after so many years have gone by, no one, from the lawyers to the prosecutors, to the investigators, to the families involved, Can understand how three beautiful girls, best friends, could collide in such a violent event.

Social Media's Role, Skylar's Legacy

Sheila's attorney Mike Beninger, who stated in court he could not find a reasonable defense for his client. has a theory that doesn't explain the why of what happened, but does address how, in another era, things might have ended so differently.

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had social media, cell phones and the internet and cellular coverage not have been in existence. Skylar Nice would be alive today, it's my opinion. And here's why. These girls would not have said and transmitted tough talk, nastiness, their messages. Back and forth, they because they wouldn't have said those things to each other face to face across the table like we're sitting here today.

Or within inches of each other. They wouldn't have done that because that would be unacceptable conduct in a personal, interpersonal exchange in real time, in each other's presence. That's my view of this. And once he gets to the point where it's cumulative, anxiety is cumulative, hatred, it adds up. It's a pylon effect. And when you have two on one, as we did in that instance, it's accumulative. It's a it's a it's a force multiplier in the military terms.

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Many times during our reporting, I've returned to Skylar's Instagram page, which is still available online with the handle at high as the underscore sky. So many artifacts of her young life live forever on the page. A close up of Lelu with the caption When my dog cuddles with me, a dusty rose sunset, Avon Natural's body mist in pomegranate and mango scent, a Jolly Rancher brand candle, a handmade beaded necklace.

also on the grid. Rachel and Sheila. The last image of whom was posted less than two weeks before the murder, with the caption I love Summer. Like the items Skylar left behind, her Wendy's work shoes, her hair straightener, her diary, her goodie, and the bra recovered by the FBI. The things she immortalized on her Instagram feed seemed both ordinary and infused with meaning.

The intricate set dressing of a character whose life ended in the middle of the scene, forever waiting for someone to come back and claim them, to make them real again.

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Ten years later, Skyler's cell phone, the one they found in the woods at the murder site, remained sealed in a small Ziploc bag with the FBI tracking number still taped to the front. Open up the plastic bag and the reflection from the mirrored screen is partially covered with dried mud. Skyler's fingerprints and nails crossed the screen from her who knows how many unlocks of the pattern match. It's an LG phone, barely half the size of a teens phone, in twenty twenty four.

The FBI recovered the phone not far from Skyler's body. They most certainly were able to break into the phone, but now the nieces have it. The phone shouldn't work at all. After sitting in the wilderness for those six months, the SD card is missing, but the phone still turns on today and gets a signal. Dave has looked at the phone for hours and hours, haunted by the unknown memories of Skylar still locked inside.

I saw a butterfly was right under there and and I walked over to read the bench and it flew up out and into the sky.

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That's got her. You know, we They left her in her elements. She loved the outdoors. She loved the wilderness and, you know although something horrible happened here, she's happy she's happy it is what it is now. It's a place of love and And the people that did the bench put this grape thing up and Although I don't think they'll ever get anything to grow out here'cause the deer will eat it before it ever gets the chance to grow.

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Skyler would love that too.

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Yeah she would. She absolutely loved animals. I wouldn't even love to kill ants for God's sake. She she would definitely put her foot down. I remember one time I had a fly land on and flies are annoying and I went to slap at it like this and I missed it and she goes, You're lucky you missed it. Take it outside and let it go And I'm like, How do you catch a fly and take it outside and let it go? She goes, Well they don't deserve to die, Dad And I said she goes it's here on earth for a reason.

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I never really

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Really dawned on me what she meant until she was gone. And it was here on earth for

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Stay tuned for a bonus episode, coming to you next week. 3 is an original production of Waveland. The series is created and written by Holly Millet and me, Justine Harmon. The executive producer is Jason Hoke, who produced and edited the series. Associate producers are Lydia Horn and Leo Culp. Fact checking by Lydia Horne. Sound engineering by Shane Freeman.

Music by Robert Ellis. Studio recording at CDM Studios in New York and Wildwoods Picture and Sound in Los Angeles. Special thanks to Dave and Mary Nees. in the city of Morgantown, West Virginia. If you love the series, leave a review and please tell your friends. Follow Waveland on Instagram at Waveland Media for more on this series and upcoming news shows. Thanks for listening.

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