On this episode of This vs. That, we talk with with Mark Vroegop about the concepts of frustration and anger. We explore how these emotions are often intertwined, and how they can be both righteous and unrighteous. Mark shares his experiences at College Park Church in Indianapolis and also provides a glimpse into his personal life. We examine the complexities of these emotions in the context of our faith and our responses to a world marked by sin and brokenness. We also discuss the balance of as...
Mar 20, 2024•52 min•Season 4Ep. 7
On this episode of This vs. That, we have an enriching conversation with John Starke about the importance of balancing talking and listening in prayer. John shares valuable insights from his book, The Possibility of Prayer, and highlights the transformative power of stillness. As we explore the challenges many Christians face with prayer, John explains the significance of allowing our anxieties and guilt to rise to the surface and how these 'intolerable things' can be healed through prayer. We a...
Mar 13, 2024•55 min•Season 4Ep. 5
On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome back Jonathan Holmes, executive director at Fieldstone Counseling. Together, we explore the complex topic of humility versus self-loathing. We examine how these two concepts can often be confused and how this issue frequently arises in counseling. Jonathan offers insightful responses to challenging questions about self-esteem, self-care, and humility, allowing us to comprehend the nuanced differences between self-loathing and true humility. We also di...
Mar 06, 2024•53 min•Season 4Ep. 5
On this episode of This vs. That, we have a fascinating conversation with Dave Harvey, the president of Great Commission Collective and the author of several books on marriage. We discuss the differences between normal and critical conflicts in marriage and how to navigate them. During our chat, Dave shares his insights on the importance of humility and clarity in resolving conflicts. We also explore how our understanding of conflict within the context of marriage can be transformed by God's red...
Feb 28, 2024•59 min•Season 4Ep. 4
On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the topic of Authoritarian vs. Authoritative Parenting. Join us in this conversation with Julie Lowe, a counselor and faculty member at CCEF, as she shares her insights on the distinction between these two parenting styles. We explore the importance of understanding the root motivations behind our parenting choices and how they impact our children. Discover how embracing a gospel-centered approach can lead to a healthier and more loving relationship...
Feb 21, 2024•55 min•Season 4Ep. 3
On this episode of This vs. That, we dive into a deep discussion with Elyse Fitzpatrick about the topic of Self-Confidence vs. Confidence in Christ. Join us as we explore the subtle ways the gospel of self-confidence infiltrates our lives and how we can root our confidence in Christ. Elyse shares her personal journey and insights on understanding our strengths, the freedom found in failure, and the importance of continually turning to Jesus. Discover how confidence in Christ frees us from the pr...
Feb 14, 2024•54 min•Season 4Ep. 2
On this episode of This vs. That, we have a fascinating discussion with Dr. Mac Brunson about the topic of wisdom versus knowledge. Dr. Brunson shares his personal journey and experiences in ministry, highlighting the importance of understanding the distinction between wisdom and knowledge. Throughout the conversation, we explore the definitions of wisdom and knowledge, and how they intersect in our lives. Dr. Brunson emphasizes the significance of grounding our wisdom in the Word of God and see...
Feb 07, 2024•50 min•Season 4Ep. 1
On this episode of This vs. That, we engage in a thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Join us as discuss the topic of cultural engagement versus avoiding culture, exploring how Christians can maintain their integrity while actively engaging with the world around them. Dr. Mohler shares his insights on the value of respectful conversations, even with those who hold different beliefs, and how these interactions can invite ot...
Dec 06, 2023•48 min•Season 3Ep. 9
On this episode of This vs. That, we’ll be talking with Paul Tautges. Join us as we dive into a meaningful conversation on panic versus fear. Paul's personal experiences and insights shed light on the importance of addressing these emotions and finding God's peace in the midst of them. We explore the physical and emotional aspects of panic and anxiety, and discuss the distinction between healthy and harmful fear. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of these topics and discover practical ways ...
Nov 29, 2023•54 min•Season 3Ep. 8
On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Darby Strickland, a counselor who works with the Christian Counseling and Educational Foundation (CCEF). We explore the important topic of harshness versus abuse in relationships. Together, we discuss the dynamics of abusive relationships and the challenges in recognizing and addressing abuse. Join us as we explore the crucial issue of understanding and supporting victims of abuse. Resources from Darby Strickland: What is Abuse?: A Biblical Guid...
Nov 22, 2023•58 min•Season 3Ep. 7
On this episode of This vs. That, we have Jamie Ivey as our special guest. Jamie is the creator and host of the popular podcast The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey, where we gather all kinds of people to talk about life and Jesus. Jamie is not only an accomplished podcaster but also an author of several books and a worship pastor's wife. In our conversation, we dive deep into the topic of self kingdom versus God's kingdom. We explore the struggles of wanting to be known and building our own self iden...
Nov 15, 2023•52 min•Season 3Ep. 6
On this episode of This vs. That, we are joined by Walter Shaw, a prolific reader and book reviewer who runs the WTS Reads account on Instagram. In our conversation with Walter, we explore the topic of readers versus non-readers and delve into the value of reading good books in our hyper-stimulated, fast-paced online culture. We discuss how reading shapes our minds and hearts, its role in our growth as Christians, and how to incorporate more reading into our lives. Walter shares the story of how...
Nov 08, 2023•50 min•Season 3Ep. 5
On this episode of This vs. That, we are joined by Dr. Curtis Solomon, the executive director of the Biblical Counseling Coalition and author of I Have PTSD: Reorienting After Trauma . We delve into a thought-provoking discussion about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) versus everyday stress. We explore the importance of understanding these concepts, especially in today's fast-paced and information-heavy world. Dr. Curtis shares his personal experiences and insights on PTSD, the reasons behi...
Nov 01, 2023•1 hr•Season 3Ep. 4
On this episode of This vs. That, we are joined by our friend Christine Chappell. We have a heartfelt conversation with Christine about the important topic of sadness versus depression. Together, we explore how to discern the difference between ordinary experiences of sadness and the overwhelming darkness of depression. Christine shares her personal journey of being treated for bipolar disorder, depression, panic attacks, and suicidal ideations, and how these experiences have fueled her ministry...
Oct 25, 2023•54 min•Season 3Ep. 3
On this episode of This vs. That, we dive into a fascinating conversation with Ryan Ross, the pastor at City Church in Melissa, Texas. In this episode, we explore the dynamic between a pastor as a friend versus a pastor as an authority. Ryan shares his insights and experiences in navigating these roles within his congregation. We discuss the importance of friendship in the church, the challenges of balancing authority and friendship, and the significance of maintaining healthy cross-gendered fri...
Oct 18, 2023•52 min•Season 3Ep. 2
On this episode of This vs. That, we dive into a thought-provoking conversation about authenticity versus oversharing with special guest Jen Wilkin. Join us as we explore the delicate balance between being open and honest and crossing the line into oversharing. Jen, an author and Bible teacher, shares her insights on why truth matters to believers and how our motives can affect our sharing habits. We also discuss the importance of wisdom and knowing ourselves in navigating when and what to share...
Oct 11, 2023•46 min•Season 3Ep. 1
On this episode of This vs. That, we talk with Joe Keller about confronting versus covering in love. Joe has been in ministry and leadership development for over 20 years and currently serves as the executive pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita, California. We define what it means to confront in love, and how it involves living in a way that promotes and communicates the truth of God's word. We also discuss the importance of motivation and heart when it comes to confronting others. J...
Sep 06, 2023•42 min•Season 2Ep. 10
On this episode of This vs. That, we have a conversation with Ellen Dykas about the topic of adultery. We discuss the balance between knowing too much versus knowing just enough when it comes to adultery or pornography within a marriage. Ellen navigates this heavy topic with ease and provides insights on how to evaluate user feedback effectively. We also discuss the importance of understanding user needs and compiling user research methods into a document. Join us for this important and necessar...
Aug 30, 2023•57 min•Season 2Ep. 9
On this episode of This vs. That, we dive into a discussion about Healthy Emotional Expression versus Being Controlled by Our Emotions with special guest Alasdair Groves. As the executive director of CCEF and a faculty member and counselor, Alasdair is well-versed in the topic at hand. We explore the pitfalls that Christians often fall into when discussing emotions, including the extremes of being defined by our emotions and completely shutting them down. We also discuss the importance of emotio...
Aug 23, 2023•1 hr 5 min•Season 2Ep. 8
On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Jared Kennedy to discuss Punishing vs Godly Discipline in parenting. We delve into the distinction between law and gospel, the purpose of correction, and the importance of starting with the gospel in our own hearts before disciplining our children. Jared shares practical advice on how to discipline our children in a way that is restorative, corrective, and ultimately points them towards the grace of the gospel. Join us for this insightful and th...
Aug 16, 2023•55 min•Season 2Ep. 7
On this episode of This vs. That, we are joined by Dr. Kristen Kellen, associate professor of biblical counseling and associate Director of the Doctorate of Education Studies at the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. We discuss the important topic of gossip versus godly sharing and how to discern between the two. We explore the definition of gossip and its underlying motivation, as well as the importance of understanding the person being discussed. We also delve into the complexities of ...
Aug 09, 2023•50 min•Season 2Ep. 6
On this episode of This vs. That, we are joined by Curtis Solomon, Executive Director of the Biblical Counseling Coalition, to discuss virtual vs. in-person counseling. Curtis shares his insights on the primary concerns of those who may be skeptical of virtual counseling, such as the role of the local church and the motivation behind seeking counseling. We also explore the sensory and three-dimensional components of in-person counseling that may be lost in a virtual setting, and how to make the ...
Aug 02, 2023•50 min•Season 2Ep. 5
On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Jana Jenay Connor, a writer, Bible teacher, and host of the Living Single podcast, to discuss the topic of longing versus trusting God in singleness. Whether you are married or single, this conversation is important and relevant. Jana shares her personal experiences and insights on how to enjoy the season of singleness, the challenges of loneliness, and the importance of investing in friendships. We also delve into the current dating scene and h...
Jul 26, 2023•53 min•Season 2Ep. 4
On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the topic of self-care versus wise Sabbath with special guest Rusty Mckie. Rusty is a spiritual director, author, and founder of Steadfast Ministries , which exists to help others stay grounded in Christ. He also serves as a counselor with Anchored Hope. Throughout the episode, we explore the biblical principles behind Sabbath and self-care, and how they relate to our identity and work. Rusty reminds us that we work from rest, not for rest, and that s...
Jul 19, 2023•53 min•Season 2Ep. 3
On this episode of This vs. That, we sit down with Jonathan Holmes, the founder and executive director of Fieldstone Counseling and pastor of counseling for Parkside Church. We delve into the topic of releasing friendships in a godly way versus sinfully walking away from friends. Jonathan shares his insights on the value of friendship in the body of Christ and why there seems to be a crisis of friendship within the church. We discuss discernment, boundaries, and when it may be necessary to walk ...
Jul 12, 2023•41 min•Season 2Ep. 2
On this episode of This vs. That, we talk with Dr. Michael Keller, founding and senior pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church, Lincoln Square in New York City, about deconstructing versus discernment. We explore the broad lexical range of the word deconstruction and the importance of starting with assumptions based on scripture when questioning our faith. We also discuss healthy ways to question our faith and differentiate between cultural additives and true biblical teachings. Tune in to this e...
Jul 05, 2023•55 min•Season 2Ep. 1
In this episode of This vs. That we share a preview of what's to come in season 2. ----- This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life. To meet with a coun...
Jun 28, 2023•12 min
On this final episode of This vs. That season 1, we discuss the tension between godly striving and works-based sanctification with Dr. Joel Muddamalle , Director of Theology and Research for Proverbs 31 Ministries and Lysa TerKeurst . We explore the motivations behind our actions and the importance of a theology of remembrance. We also delve into the concept of new creation theology and how it relates to the direction we are moving in our Christian lives. ----- Women & Work - Are you a ...
Jun 07, 2023•41 min•Season 1Ep. 10
In this episode of This vs. That , we talk with Shane Barnard and Shane Everett, better known as Shane and Shane. They discuss the topic of Performance vs. Worship and how it's relevant to every believer. The conversation also touches on the concept of corporate worship and how it's a unique opportunity to lift our voices to God and experience the word of Christ dwelling richly in us. Shane and Shane believe that all of life is worship, and the pursuit of musical excellence can lead us to a path...
May 31, 2023•40 min•Season 1Ep. 9
On this episode of This vs. That , we dive into the topic of parenting with special guest Melissa Kruger. Join us as we discuss the difference between control and discipleship in parenting and how to navigate the transition as our children grow older. We explore the importance of understanding our own hearts as parents and how to shift from reactive control to proactive discipline. Melissa shares personal stories and insights from her own parenting journey and offers practical advice for raising...
May 24, 2023•49 min•Season 1Ep. 8
