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Ep 161 Allergies Part 1: Pollens, nuts, & bugs

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Sometimes it seems like the world is out to get us: bees in our garden, pollen in the air, nuts in our brownies, any number of other things that could trigger an allergic reaction ranging from itchy eyes and a runny nose all the way to anaphylaxis. Why must our bodies react in such over-the-top ways to these seemingly innocuous substances? In the first episode of our two-parter on allergies, we explore that very question. From the biological basis of an allergic reaction to the potential evolutionary significance of allergies, from the history of their discovery to the global status of allergies today, we cover it all. Tune in today!

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Speaker 1

My name is Caitlin.

Speaker 2

I'm thirty two years old, and for most of my life I hadn't experienced severe allergies or allergic reactions to anything, except for cats sometimes. I went to school in Nebraska, and after college I got a job in Denver and moved. The first year living in Denver was awesome. I got really into all the outdoorsy things that Colorado has to offer,

like camping and hiking and skiing. But about a year into my time in Denver, in the spring of twenty seventeen, seasonal allergies and hay fever hit me on like anything I had ever experienced before. Every day that spring, I remember, I would wake up with a sore throat, hives, and swollen eyes. My eyes would have allergic conjunctivitis and chemosis, which is when tiny bubbles form on the surface of your eye from all the allergens and pollen in the air.

I had a constant runny nose and couldn't breathe. I had a lot of sinus infections. I also couldn't hear very well because of all of the post nasal drip that would happen and settle in over I was beyond exhausted all the time and unable to go outside much at all. Every time I would leave my house, I would get hot, painful hives on any part of my

skin that was exposed. I remember taking cold showers all the time to try to keep my hives from spreading all over my body, and at the time I was only using over the counter allergy medications, which only helped a little bit. I worked downtown in an office, and so riding the train into the office, interacting with coworkers and clients, and wearing business casual clothing was incredibly uncomfortable

and embarrassing sometimes. And this is all before COVID times, and I was still really new at my job, so asking to work from home was a challenge. I was also really bummed because I couldn't eat a lot of fruits that grew on trees where you typically eat the skin, because the pollen grows with the fruit instead of on the hard outer layer. So fruits like peaches and apples were off limits because I would break out in hives on my neck and face and sometimes experience breathing issues.

And sadly, Colorado is famous for their palasaid peaches, and I could never have them, even though it was my favorite fruit growing up. Unfortunately, things got exponentially worse the following fall due to a mold issue in the rental house that I was living in. I was exposed to penicillium mold spores, which had a compounding effect on my already maxed out immune system, and I ended up developing

severe asthma. I was playing roller Derby at the time, and I remember showing up to practices and scrimmages feeling like I was breathing through a wet cloth draped over my nose and mouth and felt like I would pass out after one warm up lap.

Speaker 3

I was devastated.

Speaker 2

I didn't know what was wrong with me, and I was trying so hard to get into the sport and develop a community in my new place, but I was not able to keep up at all. I ended up taking a leave of absence to avoid further damage and started seeking professional help. I had skin testing done in January twenty eighteen, and it was pretty awful. Almost every single allergen that they had tested me for came back with a flaming positive. After this, I was introduced to

my allergist and met my immunotherapy team. I got started with allergy shots by doing a procedure called a rush treatment to try to get my body as close to my maintenance DOWS for allergy shots as soon as possible. I was not able to finish the entire rush treatment because my body started to go into shock, which is actually typical for the procedure. After that, I began regular allergy shots every three weeks for the next five years.

I was also put on a prescription strength antihistamine, two, over the counter antihistamines two Inhaler's, and an EpiPen in the event I went into anaphylaxis. I was not allowed to eat or touch anything that would cause any sort of reaction, and I had to avoid being outside on high pollen days. Springtime was always the worst for me due to the presence of tree pollen, and I would always see more intense reactions during that time of year

to my allergy shots. Fortunately, I completed my immunotherapy in July twenty twenty three and have been pretty good ever since. I'm still on the prescription strength antihistamine and one of the over the counter antihistamines for any allergies that might pop up, as well as both Inhaler's for the now permanent asthma, but overall things are pretty manageable for me. I remember asking my allergist, why now, why did allergies hit me now and here and like this and never

before in my life? And she explained to me that I'd probably experienced what they call a honeymoon period when I first moved to Colorado. My body is non reactive to the new allergens because it had never seen them before, but almost always a second time around or the following season that your body encounters the allergen, it overreacts and produces an excessive histamine response. This whole experience has been a very long and painful journey, and it took a

huge toll on my mental health at the time. I'm not entirely sure how long I'll be without allergic reactions, hopefully forever, but I still get hives from time to time. Everyone's body reacts differently, and sometimes you become allergic to new things that you weren't before. Every reaction I do have now is manageable. My asthma is still very much there, but I've learned to live with it, and I'm also really excited to report that I can have feaches and

apples again. My life has been completely changed because of this experience. I'm so fortunate to have the support that I do, and I cannot think my Meta Coole team and my family and my friends enough for taking such good care of me Throughout those five years. I've learned so much about something I never even thought twice about for two thirds of my life that ended up having

a major life altering impact on me. The human body is so intensely weird in particular sometimes, but I'm so grateful that I was able to get through this experience and to be where I am now, even with the lasting effects it has left me with.

Speaker 3

Ooh, that gosh sounds truly miserable. Yeah, truly miserable.

Speaker 1

Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3

I always think like, oh, yeah, I have seasonal allergies. Sometimes I barely do. Yeah, I have the hint of.

Speaker 4

A seasonal allergy. And to deal with we have seasonal allergies, the I know, and to deal with it just like, oh my goodness.

Speaker 3

Yeah, all yeah, And when it's everywhere, it is ever escapable, you cannot ever escape it.

Speaker 1

Yeah yeah, you just breathe it in.

Speaker 3

That's brutal. But I'm glad that you're finding some more relief. Now, thank you so much, Kaylin for sharing your story with us.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Hi.

Speaker 1

I'm Aaron Welsh and I'm Aaron Allman Updyke.

Speaker 3

And this is this podcast will Kill You.

Speaker 1

And today we're talking about allergies today and next week today or next week?

Speaker 3

You know, what do we get ourselves into here?

Speaker 1

Eron the same thing that we always do aeron, which is a very very large topic. Yeah, yeah, here's the deal, everyone listening. Here's what it's going to go like. This week we are going to talk about allergies. I'm going to call it capital A allergies. That is all of them, food allergies, seasonal allergies, all of the allergies. What does that mean? What is an allergy? Even we'll talk about it, and we'll talk about how we figured out what our allergies,

why do we have them, those kinds of things. Next week we'll focus on what do you do if you have allergies? And how did we figure that out? How do we treat them? And what are some of the options.

Speaker 3

In that respect.

Speaker 1

That's the way that we're trying to split it up.

Speaker 3

We'll see how it goes, I think it will go great.

Speaker 2

Aaron.

Speaker 3

You have nothing to be worried about.

Speaker 1

You.

Speaker 3

You always do an amazing job.

Speaker 1

I'm so she gets nervous every time.

Speaker 3

She's so nervous all the time, and I'm like, you're you do a great job.

Speaker 1

As soon as we start, thank you. As soon as we start to record the biology section, my stomach every time goes like you. So, it's already there, but I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 3

I think they're going to be a great couple of episodes. There's a lot of stuff that we're getting to explore from sort of this big picture perspective on the energies that we haven't really although we have covered allergies or allergy related conditions like asthma in the past. I think this is a fun opportunity for us to kind of go, Okay, let's take a step back. What are the patterns that we see. How does this work across the board?

Speaker 2

Right?

Speaker 1

Really big picture here? Yeah, so yeah, yeah, but before we can start on that, it's quarantin any time.

Speaker 3

It is, Aaron, what are we drinking this week?

Speaker 1

We're drinking the allergy shot. Yeah, pretty straightforward, pretty straightforward.

Speaker 3

But we won't talk.

Speaker 1

About allergy shots other than this today. We'll talk about them next week.

Speaker 3

It's true.

Speaker 1

What's in the allergy shot erin?

Speaker 3

You know, it's just a little tropical delight. You know, it's got some it's got some rum in it. It's got some tropical fruit juices like some pineapple, some orange. It's it's delicious and it's a small contained thing, so you know, it's great. We'll post the full recipe for the allergy shot quarantine and the non alcoholic placey Berita

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 1

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Speaker 3

To talk about, like allergies.

Speaker 1

Like allergies, speaking of things to talk about.

Speaker 3

Should we get started, let's.

Speaker 1

Right after this break. This is either going to be very shocking to people listening or entirely unsurprising, probably for longtime listeners. But it's actually a little hard to put a very strict definition on the word allergy.

Speaker 3

Aaron, there is a paper that I found that was the evolution of the term allergy. I think I read that paper over time.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think I read that paper. I tried not to read history and evolution papers, but I think I did read that one. But we will do it because in part because we have to, because we're doing an episode on allergies, so we have to tell you what we're talking about. But I think that by the end of this and next episode, everyone will appreciate that, like the deeper you get into the weeds, the more messy

this idea of allergy really becomes. But we'll try and keep it a little less messy and just cover the general basics. So the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, and the UK's National Health Service and most other major medical and public health organizations agree on the basics of what an allergy is. An allergy is an abnormal, over the top immune response to substances that typically do not

and really kind of should not cause any substantial immune response. Aaron, you'r smiling, which I know means that this should not maybe doesn't apply, but that's the way that I think about it.

Speaker 3

There's some discussion, we'll get there.

Speaker 1

I can't wait. But so these substances, the stuff that our immune system is recognizing and reacting to in this over the top way. These things are called allergens, and we've talked a lot on this podcast about the idea of antigens. Antigens are just the stuffs that our immune system sees and recognizes and then responds to allergens are just antigens. They really are just antigens. The only differences and the reason that they classify them differently is that

they are stuff. And first of all, they're usually almost always proteins, except as we talked about in Alpha gal when they're not. But they are almost always some type of protein. And for most people these things that we call allergens, our immune system sees them but usually goes ah, forget about it, like just ignore that one. But in people with allergies, these specific kinds of antigens that we

call allergens trigger a severe hypersensitive response. So let's talk about how that ends up happening.

Speaker 3

Okay, real quick, So all allergens are antigens, but not all antigens are allergens exactly.

Speaker 1

It's like all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Got it, So let's see how that ends up happening. We went over the basics of this actually very recently in our alphagal episode, but we're going to go over it again because the basics of this are applicable to essentially all types of allergies with an asterisk, because there are a lot of things that people might

call allergies that don't fit this mold. But when we're talking about allergies for this episode, this is the type of process that we're going to be talking about. Is the pathway I'm about to explain, and here it goes. The pathway starts with an exposure, and then there's a process called sensitization which is making these specific type of antibodies called IgE antibodies, and we'll get there. Then there's re exposure, and then there's an allergic response. So we

can go into detail on each of those parts. First, of course, we have to be exposed to analergen and we can be exposed to analergen in so many different ways. It can be in the air so we can breathe it in, and they often call those arrow allergens because if we don't have confusing terminology for every single thing, then what are we even doing in medicine. Or it

can be in our food. We can scratch these allergens into our skin, a tick could split them into us, as we recently learned, we could rub them into our eyes any way that they get in. Eventually, these allergens make it into our bloodstream. And as soon as they make it into our bloodstream, our immune system is all over it. So let's say, as an example, it's cat dander. There's a specific protein called feld one or fell d one that's in cat skin, saliva, and urine, and that's

the thing that's the allergen in cat dander. So once cat dander makes it into our bloodstream, a whole bunch of cells like our macrophasias, our dendritic cells, blah blah blah, all these immune cells they find this stuff, all of these allergens and antigens and the cat dander protein, and they bring it to our T cells. And our T cells are the ones I Aaron went back to my Vaccines episode notes to be like, how did I explain

this once upon a time? Our T cells are the ones who are The way that I think about it is they're kind of responsible, and this is an oversimplification for either doing something or like not doing much of anything. They're going to be the ones who like open a door or don't open a door to make the rest of our immune system react or not react.

Speaker 3

They're like the major part of the decision tree exact. Is there going to be a cascade of events after this, or do we shut it down right now?

Speaker 1

Exactly exactly. And it turns out that we have a lot of different kinds of T cells in our bodies, and depending on what they're reacting to what they find, they can open one of many doors in our immune system, and which door they open fundamentally changes all of the

downstream immune response that we see. So when T cells open, say door number one, they're going to release a whole bunch of cytokines, right, these inflammatory things that will help our immune system to let's say, find bacteria or viruses and target them and eliminate them. If T cells instead open a different door, call it door number two, then they release different cytokines, different inflammatory stuff, and then they're maybe going to look for worms or parasites or something

like that. Now, of course, in reality, our immune system is doing all of these things and opening all the doors at the same time, and there's more than just two. But it turns out that what happens in the process of allergic sensitization, this is our second step in the pathway, is that the proportion of doors that our T cells are opening is skewed, and it's skewed towards door number two.

So it just so happens that when our T cells decide when they see an allergen, to open a whole bunch of doors number two, it ends up telling our B cells, which are the ones that make antibodies, to produce a specific kind of antibody, and that is IgE, And that's the sensitization step of an allergy formation. And we talked about these IgE antibodies in our alphagal episode, But antibodies in general are like flags that our immune system uses to recognize and respond to harmful stuff more quickly.

We have to see a pathogen or an antigen or an allergen make an antibody, and then the next time we see it is when that antibody does its job. And we talked about this particular IgE antibody that it's different from the ones we think of that we use for something like vaccine responses because they're bound to cells like our mass cells and our base of fills. So sensitization,

we're making these weird, kind of weird IgE antibodies. Once we've been sensitized, then we have to see that allergen again. We have to be re exposed to that same allergen. So you made IgE against cat dander, and then you go back to your friend's house who has a cat.

And because this IgE is all over our mass cells, it's going to find and bind to that cat dander protein, and that binding of the mass cells to the allergen triggers a reaction that causes those mass cells to burst open and spew forth a whole bunch of highly reactive inflammatory stuff. It's things like histamine, leukotrienes, a bunch of things called inter luken's, all of this stuff that tells our immune system something really serious and horrible is happening

and everyone needs to get on board. It activates our immune system in a really extreme way. And it can do this on both these short time scales like immediately, these immediate responses, but then it also triggers these longer term like delayed responses, as well as the rest of those inflammatory stuffs are floating around our body. That's the actual allergic reaction.

Speaker 3

Okay, okay, question, what's your question? So IgE is involved in this allergic pathway and also parasites, But you know, you'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah, But there are so many different types of antibodies. So is IgE generally associated with this speedy, almost immediate response and the other antibodies like, why what do they do? Not to turn listen to an immunology episode, but what do they do?

Speaker 1

Yeah? So all antibodies are serving as ways to quickly identify and respond to very specific antigens. Right, So each different antibody we have like bajillions of antibodies in our body, all of them are responding to one specific protein or one specific carbohydrate or whatever. It is, one specific thing.

But things like IgG antibodies the way that I think of them, and immunologists might tell me this is not a great way to conceptualize it, but the way that I think of them is they're more like a flag.

So they attach on they find like a bacteria or something, and they attach themselves to it, and then our other immune cells as they're floating around, they see that flag, that IgG flag before they see the bacteria, and they're like, oh, hey, guys, that's an antibody flag, so we should find that thing, right, and then they can go and find all the bacteria that have all these flags on them. The difference with IgE is that it's not just a flag. It's attached.

It's not free floating. It sometimes can be, but it's not free floating in our bloodstream. It's attached to these cells. And something about the process of when that antibody that's attached to a cell attaches to its antigen that we call allergens. In the case of allergies, it triggers this response in the mass cell itself that causes an explosion of the inflammatory stuff that's inside of that mass cell. And we don't see that with other types of antibodies

because they're not bound to cells. So it's like a longer process, even though it's all much quicker than like making the antibodies the first time that you're ever exposed to something.

Speaker 3

And compared to IgE, is the response to other types of antibodies generally speaking, more directed, more precise, or is it also the systemic sort of like just again scorched earth? I think is the phrase that I used in Alpha gal.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's a really it's a really good question. I think it's tough because the antibody response itself, even in the case of IgE, it is very highly specific, right, like your IgE is only attaching to cat dander protein. Yeah, but yes, because you have this then immediate release of all these general inflammatory stuff, you see a quicker onset of a more widespread reaction than you would potentially with

other antibodies because you just don't have that. It doesn't mean that you don't have like a widespread immune response in other scenarios, because we definitely can. That's how you could end up with like sepsis from a bacterial infection and blah blah blah. But yeah, that's it is not that same antibodies kind of causing the problem here, I guess is the way that you can think of it, right, Right,

it's just bizarre, it is. It's a really weird and interesting especially like I know you're going to talk erin about the kind of evolution of this, and like it is really really interesting and weird to think about why we evolved this type of response. It's really interesting.

Speaker 3

Especially when it seems like it can come at a great cost. It can when it kind of runs away. So what right, there's such a huge range of allergic responses, right, it can just be like it she knows, it can be coughing, it can be whatever, Like, yeah, what determines whether the response to an allergen is mild versus extreme all the way to anaphylaxis.

Speaker 1

So let's talk about what the different responses can be, because we are talking really generally about this big picture allergic response and the symptoms that you're going to get will in large part depend on the type of allergen that you're exposed to and how you are exposed. So if it's a cat dander protein, for example, or even like a ragweed pollen or a dust mite or cockroach leg fuzz or whatever, then you are being exposed to these arrow allergens, right, so you are breathing them in

for the most part. So then where you're going to get this inflammation from this immune activation might largely be in say your nose, So you might have an itchy nose, you might have sneezing, you might get a runny nose. Maybe your eyes will start to itch or water because the cat dander is getting into your mucous membranes in

your eyes and triggering inflammation in your eyes. If, on the other hand, we're not talking about an arrow allergen, maybe we're talking about something like a peanut protein or a soybean protein, or a wheat protein, you're eating that, So then you're being exposed through your gut mucus membranes or maybe through your mouth because they're there's a whole thing called oral allergy syndrome where you have this type of itching, watering, numbness, tingling just in your mouth, but

if it makes it down into your guts before you're having allergy response, then maybe you're having nausea, you're having vomiting. So it depends in part in the way that you're exposed. Is it through your respiratory system, is it through your gi tract? Is it limited to one mucous membrane like your mouth or your eyes. But then there's more than that, right because while this is in some ways a localized exposure, unless it's through your skin, then it is still a

systemic response. So in any of these cases, in any way that you're exposed through your skin, through your eyes, through your guts, you can also see skin manifestations, and most classically in allergies will see these as like wheels

or hives. And hives are those red raised, usually irregular shaped, kind of puffy splotches, and you can see those sometimes where you're exposed like if you are eating something that you're allergic to, you might start with hives around the face or the mouth, but very often and very quickly, they can become generalized. It might start with say, puffiness around a beasting, but then spread to be hives across your whole body. And those kind of skin reactions can

happen from any allergies. They can happen from cat dander allergies and from peanut allergies. And then you mentioned already aaron. The most severe thing that can happen with an allergic reaction is anaphylaxis. And just like the idea of allergies, the definition of anaphylaxis, it's not one perfect universal definition, but mostly we think of anaphylaxis as when in the case of allergies at least, because you can get anaphylaxis

without allergies. But it's when an allergic response is affecting multiple systems and becomes very extreme. So it's when these mast cells and our baso fills are sending out so much inflammatory material that our whole body's immune system starts to react. What this causes is massive vasodilation, so your blood vessels are getting really wide, and that makes sense because these immune markers are telling your body, hey, there's

something big going on. Send us all your blood, Send all of the white blood cells, send all of the blood to us. So vasodilation sends all of your blood different places. But that also causes swelling in part because when our vessels expand, they get more leaky, so fluid is going to leak out. And if you get that swelling in a place like your throat or your mouth or your lungs, it can make it really difficult to breathe. That's why anaphylaxis, when it causes that throat constriction, is

a severe, life threatening emergency. It can also be life threatening because when our blood vessels expand, that causes a drop in blood pressure because your blood vessels are now wide open, and because of physics, when you have a pipe that's wider, the pressure inside it is going to be lower, and that again is a life threatening emergency

if your blood pressure drops really quickly. So that is like the ways that allergies can manifest right, And it's such a huge range and so many different ways that you can be exposed, which can cause like any in all of these But why I have so many questions because first, why do some allergens trigger, say, anaphylaxis more commonly than other allergens? Yeah?

Speaker 3

What are those bees?

Speaker 1

I mean utter is the most classic, right, and a lot of times it is the food allergies that like tree nuts, peanuts, things like that, that are even more likely. But people can absolutely beastings or another one. Venoms in general really commonly cause anaphylaxis. It doesn't mean that you can't have an anaphylactic reaction to something like cat dander. There are absolutely people who have severe reactions to something like cat dander. But I don't know. I do not

know the answer to that question. And that was something that I have so many papers, and none of them really even tried to answer that question. What is it about particular allergens that are more likely to cause a severe reaction versus a less severe reaction?

Speaker 3

I don't know, right, But then it also is individual differences. That's like the genetic component of allergies.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 1

So that's the other big question, right, It's why some allergens and why some people? Why do some people develop allergies and other people don't? And we still don't know, but we have a lot more information at least about that part of the question. All allergies are really both environmental and genetic diseases, so you have to have a certain genetic susceptibility in order to develop allergies to begin with. But that doesn't mean there's a single gene or a

couple of genes, or even like a few genes. There's like bajillions. That's an exaggeration, but there's a really wide range of genes that are associated with an increased risk of allergies, and for the most part, we don't know what they are or how they work, Like why do these genes that we might see in association with allergies do they cause allergies? Or why is there that association.

Speaker 3

Right and allergies? Or is it the degree of your reaction or is it which allergies or is it yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1

And in all of the literature, a thing that I want to get into, even though I already regret it, is that one of the biggest known risk factors for allergies is this idea of something called a topy.

Speaker 3

I had such a hard time wrapping my head around this.

Speaker 1

I know and you and we can't not talk about it. So I'm going to try so a topic diseases, this idea of an atopic disease. It includes asthma, egzema or atopic dermatitis, and allergies, which includes all of our allergies, so food allergies, allergic rhinitis or like hay fever, those seasonal allergies, all of that, and the word a topy or atopic, it's like, it's not specific. It doesn't like that word in and of itself anymore doesn't really mean much, and some people mean it to mean this type of

IgE response, but it's not that simple. But the point of it is is that these big four diseases, and there might be a couple others that probably are under this umbrella, but like eggzema, asthma, allergic rhinitis, and food allergy, if you think of these big ones, there is something about them that links them all together. And we think that part of it might be an underlying genetic susceptibility that makes someone more susceptible to all of these at once.

But really, in a lot of the literature it's described as this a topic march. You probably saw that in papers, and that's because when we see these four diseases develop through life. There's often a progression from one to the next to the next, and there's a lot of different theories as to why that is and what is this relationship between these four big diseases. So I'm going to go over what like the thoughts are about what the

relationship is here. So one suggestion is that it's allergens that cause all of this, and it starts by allergens causing atopic dermatitis or exema, which is usually the first thing that we see, like even in tiny babies who don't have asthma and they don't have any food allergies

yet or anything, they have exema first thing. And so one hypothesis is that you start by getting exposed and sensitized to certain allergens and first develop atopic dermatitis or exzema, and then down the line, because you have been exposed and sensitized, you then might develop asthma or other allergies as a result of this allergen exposure. That's one hypothesis. Another one that people seem to really really like is

that exema is the start of this. An exema causes breakdown in the skin barrier, and this breakdown allows for allergen exposure through the skin and that and I like this too, in part because of we've already talked about on our Alpha gal episode, the idea that when you are exposed to something in an abnormal way i e. Through breaks in your skin, that that exposure is what predisposes you to this abnormal immune response i e. The

development of allergies. So that's one hypothesis. And then there's a third hypothesis, which is that there's not necessarily a causal relationship between exema and allergies and asthma, but rather there's an underlying genetic or immunologic pathway that kind of pins them all together, and EXAMA just happens to be

the first one that we see. Right, none of these three hypotheses are mutually exclusive, and none of them like fully explain the story, right, because there are plenty of people with egzma who don't have any other allergies, plenty of people with allergies who never had egzma. Asthma oof really doesn't fit well into this story, even though there are really strong relationships between allergic rhinitis and allergic asthma.

Speaker 3

It's really interesting and I kind of like the idea of just the threshold being lowered for that pathway to be exaccuated where it's right, oh, you know on once it's down, once you travel down that road once, it's so easy to go back down that road over and over.

Speaker 1

Again, exactly exactly. And these are not the only hypotheses. There's a lot of other ideas as to like what ends up causing or what are the risks that are contributing to the development of allergies. A lot of it might be like environmental exposures starting as early as in utero, causing things like DNA methylation or these like epigenetic changes that change our susceptibility to asthma, allergies, et cetera. Then we also can think of the microbiomes, how does that

affect our risk of allergies asthma et cetera. We don't know, right, but we know that all of these things and I know erin you're going to talk more about this, I swear I'm almost done. We know that all of these things contribute. We just don't understand how, which means that we don't yet know how do we prevent all of this? And that is like next episode we'll talk a lot more about that idea, because that's like where a lot of the future research is going.

Speaker 3

And there may not be I think, one unifying cause right, like, because one of the questions that I had when when reading about these allergies and just like in general life, is some people develop allergies at a very young age and those allergies stay with them for the rest of their lives. People develop allergies at a very young age and then over time they no longer have those allergies.

Speaker 1

And that's most true for food allergies. Yes, So it's also really interesting to think about, like when are you more likely to develop what type of allergy? Because food allergies you're more likely to start developing when you're younger. Allergic rhinitis usually not till you're older.

Speaker 3

But then yeah, some people can develop food allergies later in life. I have several friends who developed food allergies in their thirties.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and like what yah, Well, and food allergies also, I think gets so much more confusing because there's also a lot of other food intolerances or sensitivities that some people might classify as allergies and other people would not classify as allergies. So a really good example of this is something called f PIES, which stands for food protein induced enterocolitis syndrome. And this is on a lot of like allergy websites, classified as an allergy, but it is

not an IgE mediated response. But it causes severe like vomiting diarrhea sometimes bloody diarrhea in babies that are exposed to certain foods, and most kids outgrow this, and then in adults there's a lot of different ways that you could become intolerant of different foods, some of which might be igmediated and some of which are definitely not IgE mediated. And so that's where what I said, Like, the deeper you get into the weeds, like what's an allergy? What's

not an allergy, it can get confusing. So, yeah, allergies are very interesting. Erin tell me, Yeah, why can I ask you?

Speaker 3

Why you can ask? Okay, let's see if I can answer right after this break. Allergies are so ubiquitous these days that we don't often stop to think about just how weird they are. Like, here's this extreme thing our body does in reaction to a seemingly innocuous substance like pollen, like a peanut and that reaction can at times kill us. Yep, it's not the peanut or the shrimp itself doing the harm.

It's how our body responds that inflicts the damage friendly fire, whether it's seasonal allergies to ragweed, environmental allergies like to cat dander, food allergies like to tree nuts, or some other type of allergy. We all know someone who has allergies or we have them ourselves, and we wished we didn't, at least speaking for myself, at the least, allergies are annoying, disruptive, and at the extreme they can be deadly. Why do our bodies react in this way? What have almonds ever

done to us? And on top of that, has it always been like this? In this first episode of this two parter on allergies, I want to explore those questions, the significance of allergies in an evolutionary context, and a little bit of how our knowledge of allergy has changed

over time. Ultimately, I want to try to get at whether allergies are increasing infrequency and why that might be sort of unifying all of this, and then next week I'll pick it back up at how we devised ways to deal with the self attack using medications, allergy shots, the EpiPen, and so on. Almost universally, allergy or an allergic response is described as an overreaction, an exaggerated response to an innocuous environmental trigger like pollen, like dustmites, like peanuts.

Since scientists first characterized allergies in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, they referred to the phenomenon as an idiosyncrasy, a biological contradiction where our bodies harm us in an attempt to protect us. But more recently some researchers have called into question two assumptions that underlie this premise of allergy. Number one, that this reaction is always an overreaction, and number two, that the substances triggering an allergic response are truly innocuous.

Speaker 1

Oh, I can't tell you how excited I am about this. I read I'm a full disclosure. I read one paper that talked about some of the evolutionary hypothesis of the worms and things that I was like, this is my favorite thing I have ever. Yeah, because you're right, like, that is the that is an underlie I said it at the very top, this is how we define an allergy. And those assumptions no one that I have read or spoken with has ever questioned, and I love questioning it.

Speaker 3

It's important, right, Like, yeah, maybe it is an overreaction, and it is in some certain situations, like definitely an overreaction, as in, it is out of proportion to the threat that whatever that thing causes. Right, but maybe not all of the time.

Speaker 1

Right, right, There is a there has to be a reason that that response exists, exactly, So just calling it a straight overreaction makes our immune system seem dumb.

Speaker 3

Right, a little overprotective, like stop helicopter. Yeah, allergies are incredibly widespread, and they have grown in prevalence over the past century. More on that later. They're so widespread that it's difficult to just discard them as a quirk of the immune system, as our immune system being dumb, as just an overreaction with no benefit to that overreaction. As we all know, an extreme allergic reaction can be deadly.

And while maybe that reaction is just a peculiar aspect of our immune system, might it also be that there's a very good reason that we still possess it. And importantly, are those two scenarios mutually exclusive? Or is it both

a quirk and an advantage. Since the early days of allergy research in the first decades of the twentieth century, allergies were labeled a modern disease, a quote unquote pathology of progress, the natural consequence of us living what was perceived to be increasingly unnatural lives, sedentary lifestyles, spending large amounts of time indoors, the growth of cities, consuming processed foods, using chemicals in the home and the environment, and so on.

Allergies are not the only disease said to result from industrialization and develop If you remember back to our gout episode, that was another one. Yeah, And in the case of allergies, there might be something to it. So Aarin you talked about how when someone is exposed to an allergen like a DustMite, their body begins producing IgE antibodies, which is

part of what triggers this rapid cascade of symptoms. As it turns out, our body ramps up production of IgE in response to another external threat helminth parasites, so dust, MTE,

hookworm very similar initial responses. One major difference, though, is in the long term in people who are chronically infected with helminth parasites that IgE production eventually scales down and the entire inflammatory response is suppressed in part by the parasite itself, which allows these parasites to kind of fly under the radar. That suppression doesn't happen in an allergic response. Instead, it can just ramp up and up and up until anaphylaxis.

And so, when researchers described IgE antibodies in nineteen sixty seven and began linking them to different exposures to things like allergies like parasites, a hypothesis emerged that we have this exaggerated allergic response and increasing rates of allergies in regions where parasitic infections are low because those parasites are not suppressing the immune system. So fewer parasites, more allergies,

and more parasites, fewer allergies. Essentially, the hypothesis goes improved sanitation and treatments for parasites reduced exposure to those parasites, which makes our board immune system go into overdrive overreacting to any stimulus, aka the hygiene hypothesis or the old

friends hypothesis. Now, this might be part of what's going on, because some studies show that regions with higher rates of chronic parasite infestation tend to have lower rates of allergy, and in experiments using mice, those chronically infected with helmets

are protected from developing allergies. Pretty compelling evidence. Also, some of the genes associated with asthma are also associated with increasing susceptibility to some parasite infections, so these genes might make you both more likely to develop asthma and more susceptible to parasite infections. The hygiene hypothesis does have some compelling support when it comes to allergies or allergy like diseases, but in recent decades some researchers are starting to question

whether it's the only thing going on. If you look at the vast array of substances that trigger an IgE response, only a tiny portion of them are helmets. The rest are various nuts, animal products, venoms, chemicals, so very many different things that we encounter regularly that are not helmints, that are not parasites.

Speaker 1

Not just worms.

Speaker 3

Yeah, if the IgE response evolved in response to helminth infections alone, why can it be so deadly? Wouldn't that have been selected against at some point and it's hundreds of millions years old evolutionary history, because the IgE response is very old, not if the benefits outweigh the costs, not if there's a reason to maintain it. As to what that reason could be. How do toxins sound?

Speaker 1

Love toxins?

Speaker 3

There?

Speaker 1

And you know that?

Speaker 3

I know you do? I know you love? You love a toxicologist. You love toxins?

Speaker 2

I do.

Speaker 3

In nineteen ninety one, Marjorie Profit introduced the toxin hypothesis of allergy, and this hypothesis suggests that the IG mediated allergic response evolved to protect us from immediate danger posed

by toxins. So a strong IgE allergic response like you described AARON is usually very rapid onset, generally speaking within seconds or minutes of exposure, and it's often accompanied by things like a sudden drop in blood pressure, vomiting, tearing, diarrhea, coughing, all things that would help to expel a toxic substance or blow it down from reaching vital organs.

Speaker 1

Oh that is such an interesting Oh how did I never think about that?

Speaker 3

I how did? Like it's amazing, It's just like, oh yeah, this.

Speaker 1

Is sort of like in your eye. Your body's like get it out. Of your eyes, watering the heck out of it.

Speaker 3

Right, and allergies do the same things.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Oh, I hope there's support for this hypothesis because I like it.

Speaker 3

It's fascinating. Yeah, And you know I was asking in the biology section. Okay, Well, the IgE response versus other types of antibody responses and the allergic response, This IgE mediated response is very different than that caused by exposure to a pathogen like a virus or bacterium, and this allergic response wouldn't really be effective against those infections, which our immune system deals with by killing rather than expelling, which is what it does to allergens and multicellular parasites.

Huh uh huh. Profit suggests that some of the allergens that we think of as innocuous, like pollens like hay dust or shellfish, may not be as harmless as they seem. Pollens contain phenolic acids or alkaloids, both of which can cause organ or nerve damage. Hay Dust can be contaminated by pathogenic fungal spores, and shellfish can have toxins from algae or plankton.

Speaker 1

Fung i. Think fungi are are are not well respected in this regard in their they trigger a similar especially some like asprogillis and things like that that commonly can infect like grains and blah blah blah. Yeah, sorry, but I love this. I'm really excited.

Speaker 3

Yeah. No, And there's also a lot of like I am not getting into asthma here because we did an asthma right episode, and so there's there's a that's a whole separate literature in many ways, but there are links between. Like a lot of these papers that talk about the evolution of allergies also group asthma into that, which is entirely reasonable.

Speaker 1

Like we talked about a topic disease.

Speaker 3

And there have been a lot of links with asthma and fungus as well a fungal exposure. So yeah, super interesting. But being able to rapidly recognize and deal with these toxic threat that's like these alkaloids, like these toxins from algae that could be vital to our survival both from an immunological standpoint as well as just us experiencing that deeply allergic response and wanting to avoid exposure in the future.

Are allergies a signal to us? Do they teach us which plants or foods to stay away from.

Speaker 1

Arin I I can't tell you how much I love this idea because you know what it feels like to me. It feels like the difference between like what is a weed and what is a desirable plant? Mm hmm, like our allergies responses to things that they shouldn't be, or actually are they responding to something that we should be because we shouldn't be having so much grap like you know.

Speaker 2

What I mean?

Speaker 3

I just yeah, oh.

Speaker 1

I wow, this is mind blowing to me.

Speaker 3

I think if me too, because I had never really considered I always was just like innocuous substance overreaction.

Speaker 1

Yeah are cases. Yeah, but peanuts can be contaminated with funk a lot.

Speaker 3

Ants, and they also might be like these different foods or these different allergens might be the compound structure itself could be similar to similar to something else, something that is much more toxic.

Speaker 1

Right what you're saying too?

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting idea. We love it. But is their support for there? I hope so yes there is, And is it like the most compelling support in the world. I don't know. There are my studies, lab studies, et cetera. But still but still still so. There are a couple studies from twenty thirteen that found that mice that had previously been exposed to venom. One study used a beasting

and the other used snake venom. The mice that had been previously exposed were more likely to survive a big second dose of venom that should have been fatal compared to those who did not receive that initial dose, suggesting that that big IgE response in the second exposure might be helpful rather than detrimental. And of course this doesn't explain why a beasting in humans can lead to a

fatal anaphylaxis response, because clearly that is very helpful. Some researchers suggest it's too much of a good thing, kind of like sickle cellnemia and malaria. Right, having one copy of the gene protects you from malaria, but two copies leads to disease. While most experimental studies looking at this toxin hypothesis have focused on things like beastings, other epidemiological studies have taken a broader view of toxins and how

they can harm us, such as cancer. There's no clear pattern when it comes to allergies in cancer, but some studies have shown that higher rates of allergies is linked to lower rates of cancer. But I would imagine that that depends on the type of cancer and the other lifestyle and genetic factors.

Speaker 1

Right, And is it environmental? No, that's interesting and weird because there's so much environmental cancer exposure blah blah blah. And then environmental allergy. Oh, that's so weird and interesting.

Speaker 3

Yeah, isn't it interesting? And so while the hygiene hypothesis or the old friends hypothesis and the toxin hypothesis of allergy can help to fill in some of the gaps as to the why of allergies, the complete picture is not yet clear. Yeah, how can we take what we know about helmets and allergies and apply it to treatment? Right? Can we make an allergen tree of life to predict the groups of antigens that people are likely to be sensitive to? Does it have to do with evolutionary distance?

The farther away something is on that evolutionary tree of life? Does that mean that we're more likely to initiate an immune response to it? The future of allergy research is exciting, and to understand where we go from here, we also have to take a look at where we've come from. Yeah, are allergies changing and if so, what is driving that change.

Today allergies are one of the most common diseases across the world, affecting ten to thirty percent of the global population and up to fifty percent of people in some regions. For years, that number has been on the rise, which is why you'll hear people refer to this as an allergy epidemic, sometimes broken down into two waves, the first being respiratory allergies like hay fever and the second being food allergies. Of course, allergies themselves are not a new phenomenon.

IgE antibodies evolved around three hundred million years ago, allowing for this allergic response, and we have evidence of allergies from ancient times, descriptions of fatal beastings what could be allergic rhinitis, and of course asthma. But the heyday of allergy awareness pun intended, really only began in the eighteen hundreds, with the first description of hay fever in eighteen nineteen by John Bostock and the first case series published in

eighteen seventy three by Charles Blackley. These observations didn't seem to be a case of cool. There's finally a name associated with this condition that we've noticed for a long time, but a recognition of a truly emerging phenomenon.

Speaker 1

Huh.

Speaker 3

Like one summer day in eighteen seventy five, your nose starts running and your eyes start itching, and you're sneezing all over the place, and you find all of your friends and family are similarly affected, and you're just complaining about it. You form groups to talk about it. But just a few years ago, no doctor had ever heard

of such a thing. The sudden increase in hay fever in Europe and North America around the late eighteen hundreds resulted from changes in agricultural practices, changing which crops were planning, planting more pollinaceous. If that's a word, it's not. I don't think my word document is telling me there's a red underline. It's angry, but it's the only thing I could think of. Pollinaceous grass varieties to feed the growing cattle herds, and an increase in farmed land in the US,

leading to higher ragweed growth. This marks the beginning of the first wave of the allergy epidemic.

Speaker 1

Ladies, it's eighteen hundreds. Okay, yeah, that's way further back. I mean it feels like I should have expected, but like I don't know.

Speaker 3

And it's hard because like people generally associate asthma with the first wave, and that's like nineteen sixties is really when those cases started to super ramp up. But if we're talking about allergic rhinitis, it really is like eighteen eighties roughly.

Speaker 1

Interesting.

Speaker 3

There had been in decades previous descriptions here and there, but not like sudden recognition of this, whoa everyone is experiencing?

Speaker 1

Interesting.

Speaker 3

Yeah. In nineteen o six, Clemens von Pirquet coined the term allergy to describe the hypersensitivity reaction in serum sickness. So when someone was given anti serum, let's say, for like diphtheria, to treat their diptheria infection. But they had extracted that anti serum from an animal like a horse. Yeah, they had, Yeah, caused the infection, got the antibodies all that. Then you inject an episode. Interesting, we should but yeah,

then people got real sick from them. And by that time, so around the early nineteen hundreds, other work had shown how anaphylaxis can happen, how animals negatively react to the introduction of a foreign substance, and the concept of an allergic response mediated by your immune system began to gain traction because up to this time, germ theory had a pretty tight hold on many explanations of disease, and so the recognition that it was actually our immune systems causing

these allergic responses, like the call is coming from inside the house, took a bit of time to gain traction. Von Pirquet combined a bunch of observations from hyposensitivity, hypersensitivity, food allergy, hay fever, beasting reactions, serum sickness, and so on to create this organized concept of allergy as it relates to immunity, and it created momentum for more research in the area, even if it was initially papooed by like a lot of his peers.

Speaker 1

Classic Classic.

Speaker 3

The first decades of the nineteenth century saw the formation of allergy research groups and clinics across the globe, and as far back as nineteen thirty six, the phrase, quote unquote, the allergy epidemic was used. Wow, right, much earlier than I thought.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

In nineteen forty six, ragweed hay fever was such a huge problem in New York City. That City Council started

a ragweed elimination campaign. The tides were changing and fast. Asthma, which prior to nineteen sixty had been considered a rare disease, shot up in incidents, doubling in Swedish Army recruits from nineteen seventy one to nineteen eighty one huge rise, as did hospital admissions for the condition, which increased tenfold between nineteen sixty five and nineteen eighty In Australia, the UK,

New Zealand, Canada, and the US tend for afterasthma. In the nineteen seventies, after the discovery of IgE, researchers observed a sharp increase in allergen specific IgE antibodies against environmental allergens, growing to over fifty percent of the population in some regions like I mentioned, and the second wave of the allergy epidemic. Food borne allergies began much more recently. Around nineteen ninety is most most papers I read, and that's

the same time that asthma case is actually plateaued. One large study found that between nineteen ninety seven and two thousand and eight, allergies to peanuts and tree nuts tripled, tripled, huge. Yeah. Reports from Australia indicate a tenfold increase in referrals to food allergy specialists and a five fold increase in hospital admissions for food related anaphylaxis. This is not just a matter of doing a better job of recognizing these allergies, No.

Speaker 1

Especially not with food allergies because the reaction is usually so severe.

Speaker 3

Exactly. Yeah, what is driving this explosive rise? Yeah, that is the billion dollar question. We don't fully know, of course, here is what we do know. We know that while this is a global rise, the highest increases are seen in more industrialized countries. For instance, following the reunification of East and West Germany in nineteen eighty nine, prevalence of allergy shot up in East Germany, where it have been much lower in previous decades.

Speaker 1

I think that's one of the most interesting examples because it's so like discrete and like the regions are so close to each other, so it's like not like what is it because it's not just like natural environment exposure clearly like.

Speaker 3

Weather, right, pollen is not does not respect the Berlin exactly yeah. Yeah, And on average, allergies are twenty times more common in affluent quote unquote westernized countries compared to those with lower incomes. And we know that this rise is not limited to allergies or asthma, but it also

is seen in other autoimmune or immune mediated diseases. We know that these diseases are not rising all at the same time, or in the same place or at the same pace, which could suggest different mechanisms behind the rise

in each of them. And this has been you to challenge the old friends or the hygiene hypothesis, since countries that saw the biggest rise in allergies only did so beginning really in the nineteen sixties, which was around forty years after major sanitation changes would have reduced waterborne pathogens and anti helmath campaigns had reduced parasite burden to almost nothing.

So what could be going on? Most of the predominant ideas fall under the hygiene hypothesis or the old friends hypothesis or the biodiversity hypothesis, which are kind of like more recent offshoots, and both of these suggest that our allergies are a result of us not being exposed to as many or as diverse microbes and parasites that we used to throughout our evolutionary history. Why that would lead

to more allergies depends on who you ask. Maybe it's that with decreasing family size, kids are not coming into contact with as many germs at a young age, although some childhood pathogens like RSV are positively associated with developing allergies. So it's like the right germs, right, right, Which germs that's the Yeah, Yeah, it's layers, compilators.

Speaker 1

It's almost like our immune system is complicated. I don't know what.

Speaker 3

Maybe it's that our use of antibiotics at an early age disrupts our gut microbiome and primes us to develop allergies. Maybe it's that we spend more time inside and sedentary early childhood. Exposure to pets or farm animals seems to reduce the risk of allergies, and exercise reduces allergic inflammation. I found a study looking at babies born during COVID lockdown in twenty twenty, and this study found higher rates of allergies in that cohort. So it's like, again, the

limited exposure to the outside world. Maybe it's the chemicals and our soaps, food packaging, microplastics, pollution, ozone, cigarette smoke, that disrupts our protective epithelial barriers and sends our immune systems into overdrive. If you think about it, the allergic response is kind of like a hail marry last resort

option to protect us from toxins. After our skin or skin microbiota, after our guts or gut microbiota, our lungs and lung microbiota, lets it get through, right like, there are so many other layers of protection, and then maybe it's that once it makes it past all those layers, then we have this last ditch effort to protect us

from whatever perceived tosin there is. And if those layers are continually broken down by some of the things that we encounter in our everyday lives, like processed foods, you know, all of these different things that all combine together to increase permeability of those barriers, does that then lead to increase allergy?

Speaker 1

And I think that's one of the things that makes the there's a there's a lot of research being done on like is exzema and the breakdown of your skin barrier that happens with egzema. Does it also result in this abnormal presentation of these toxins or of these allergens right where it's like, typically you shouldn't be able to be exposed to, say, cat dander through your skin because your skin should be able to keep cat dander out.

But if it gets in that way, does that predispose you to And cat dander might be a crappy example, I don't know, but like, if you get peanut on your skin, peanut protein shouldn't be able to make it through your skin. If it does, does that trigger your immune response to think that it is something that is pathogenic? So that's one of those kind of ideas.

Speaker 3

Right, Yeah, novel exposure roots exactly these things because of a decreased barrier in permeability.

Speaker 1

Which is why I think, like the AlphaGo story is so interesting in that, like because it applies so much to that. So yeah, I don't know, Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2

Aaron.

Speaker 3

Uh, we don't have a single simple answer for why tree nut allergies suddenly exploded in the past few decades, although I do think that part of it is, at least from my reading, our response to them initially how it was like, don't expose anymore. If there's the slightest bit of reaction, then it sort of Yeah.

Speaker 1

I am really curious. This is jumping so far ahead. I'm sorry, but I'm so curious to see what is going to happen in the next decade. Like with like, because it was our generation that has really high rates of things like peanut and tree nut and all these food allergies. And it was our generation that very much was told by physicians, do not expose your children because we don't want them to develop allergies. And it turns out,

against spoilers, that that was exactly the wrong advice. And now we know that because of these phenomenal studies, and so early introduction is now the recommendation. So what are rates going to be like in kids in five ten years. I'm super curious about all this, like how the epidemiology is going Is it going to change, I don't know, is it.

Speaker 3

To help you? And you know, like we probably won't ever have one simple, unifying answer to this. I agree, and I will say also, like the hygiene hypothesis or the old friends hypothesis, or the toxin hypothesis or the epithelial barrier hypothesis, these things aren't attempting to explain away all cases of allergies or autoimmune diseases with one bottom line. Instead, what they're doing is highlighting patterns of allergy, pointing out

where we can look next. If it is certain detergent compounds causing a rise in asthma because of increased skin permeability, why and how. If it is a disrupted microbiome, what about it makes it disrupted? And how can we restore balance. If it is epigenetic effects, what are those prenatal exposures

that increase someone's chance of developing allergies? While the comp tx nature of allergies makes all of this seem so overwhelming, the truth is that people are doing incredible research to answer these questions, to get at the underlying triggers of different allergies, and it really seems like we're slowly going to be able to put the puzzle pieces together, at least for some pictures right, for some bits of the allergy, and come up with better ways to understand, prevent and

treat allergies. I love it so now, Aaron, I'll turn it over to you to tell us where we are with allergies around the world today.

Speaker 1

I'll give it my best shot right after this. So you told us already, Aarin, that all of these allergic disorders, from hay fever, from seasonal allergies, from food allergies. They're all on the rise, that is certainly true, and they have been for a while longer than I realized, apparently. When it comes to I'll break this down into like the allergic rhinitis, which is more you think of as the hay fever, the seasonal allergies, it's the runny nose

and the blah blah blah running eyes. And I don't say blah blah blah to discount it because it has pretty significant effects on people's lives, as we'll see. But a paper from the Lancet from twenty eleven, which is old now, estimated that four hundred million people worldwide are affected by allergic rhinitis, and this number is likely higher today as this, like all allergies, has continued to increase.

But this varies a lot across the globe. And while most of allergic rhinitis develop in like child or teen years, sometimes they don't. There's plenty of adults who don't develop seasonal or environmental allergies until much later in life. But overall, in some areas of the globe, prevalence is as high

as like seventeen to twenty percent. Those seem to be the highest percentage numbers that I saw and across the board, even though in the International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood, which is also now old because the Phase three study finished in like the early two thousands, but in this study, the rates of allergic rhinitis were actually

greatest in Latin America and African countries. But even there the prevalence was higher in urban areas compared to rural areas, and that pattern is true pretty much across the globe. Allergic rhinitis also has pretty significant burdens on our healthcare system. In the nineties, way back in the nineties, it was estimated to cost one point nine billion US dollars every year, and that increased to three point four billion in the

early two thousands. And that's not even counting indirect costs, of which there are enormous indirect costs, things like miss school, missed work. Allergic rhinitis especially can result in things like poor sleep or sleep apnea. It can contribute which can then lead to fatigue, memory problems, mood changes. It can make school harder for kids, like, it is not a minor like we might think of it as, oh, it's

just a runny nose. It is not just a running nose. Right, Food allergies we have much credier data for.

Speaker 3

Which is interesting to me for some reason. I don't know why.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think I think it's we have credit or like global data.

Speaker 3

Okay, but no doubt.

Speaker 1

Food allergies are absolutely on the rise. In some countries, as much as ten percent of children have at least one food allergy. And food allergies are especially interesting because for some foods, up to like seventy or eighty percent of kids will outgrow their food allergy, and those foods tend to be things like egg and milk, but things like peanuts and tree nuts tends to be much less likely that kids will outgrow it. Usually it's twenty percent or less of kids with a peanut or tree nut

allergy will outgrow them. Then there's other food allergies like shellfish and fish, which not only do we have less data for the idea that early introduction can prevent sensitization for things like fish and shellfish, but it's also more likely that people don't develop those allergies until adulthood.

Speaker 3

Why why, Oh you know, I have a quick question. Actually, yeah, dose and relationship to response one. You know, one peanut, how much peanut or almondors shellfish, shrimp tail?

Speaker 1

You know. So yeah, maybe it's worth talking a little bit in more detail about this. So the study that showed that early exposure can reduce the risk of peanut allergy, the big one was called Leap Learning Early about Peanut Allergy, and then there was another one I think called EAT and I forget what that acronym stands for. But these were like really landmark studies that showed that early exposure and early exposure meant like four months of life, but

definitely earlier than eleven months of life. So before a baby turns one year old, you start with exposure to peanuts, and you have to have persistent exposure. So it's not like give them peanuts one time and then you're good. These studies were consistent exposure, like two to three times

a week every week for the first five years of life. Okay, wow, but in those kids and in these studies, they took kids who were high risk, kids who either had severe eggzema or had a known allergy to egg or In some of the studies it was kids who had a family history of peanut allergy, so these were high risk kids because we know that there's genetics in these associations. So in those kids, the reduction in risk of peanut allergy was like seventy to eighty percent. It was massive,

massive reduction in risk, and so across the board. Now the recommendation is early exposure, but it has to be that consistent exposure, so it's not like necessarily a one time dose, like give this much peanut. It's really like start small, but continued exposure, so like a little peanut on the finger when they're a tiny baby, continuing that until they're like eating peanut butter and their oatmeal like a couple times a week when they're kids, and that

significantly decreases the risk. And so that data has now been extrapolated to a lot of the foods that the earlier exposure to all of the main allergenic foods, and in the US, those foods are wheat, soy, tree nuts, peanuts, milk, egg, oh, crap, I should have written all of these town fish, shellfish, and now sesame. That's the early net. The newest edition. So early and consistent exposure to all of those is what's now recommended to try and prevent food allergies.

Speaker 3

And we don't know what happens when someone just develops an allergy, a food allergy at the age of thirty five?

Speaker 1

No, is it all alpha calerin? I don't know.

Speaker 3

It all comes down to alpha cal.

Speaker 1

Is it the ticks?

Speaker 3

No?

Speaker 1

Yeah, I don't know. Is it a threshold thing like we kind of talked about, Is it that maybe they had some level of it? Here's the other thing, arin, Oh my gosh, there is a proportion of the population who if you test them, they develop these IgE antibodies, aka, they are sensitized to various things, be they aero allergens

like cat dander. Cat dander is a good example because if you test kids who live in homes with cats, a higher percentage of them will have a degree of sensitization at a certain age, but a lower percentage of them will be allergic, will have that allergic response to kings. And so yeah, so like what is it about sensitization versus then who of those kids who are sensitized actually

then will have allergies. We don't exactly know, so is there is that what it is for adults who develop say a shellfish allergy later in life, that maybe they were a little bit sensitized, but it wasn't until that built up enough in their system that they had an allergic response.

Speaker 3

I don't know, okay, but the quantity of exposure, or the amount of allergen that they're exposed to, can lead to really different responses than some people. Where some people are like even the most minute amount can lead to these horrible reactions, whereas other people can have there's a threshold where that causes Yes, I guess, okay, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1

Yes, that is absolutely true, and we don't understand why. Okay, ah, so yeah, that's like what we know of. When it comes to the most severe outcomes, that is anaphylaxis. We again don't really have great data here because most of the data that we have is on hospital admissions for anaphylaxis, and not all people with anaphylaxis have to actually be admitted to the hospital. And also it's not always allergies

that cause anaphylaxis. But at least in some of the papers that I found, it's estimated that about zero point three percent of the population of Europe will experience anaphylaxis at some point in their lives. Wow, okay, yeah, higher than I expected. And the data across the board is that especially in most high income countries, which is where we have data, incidents of anaphylaxis is increasing, which makes sense because allergies across the board are increasing. Anaphylaxis, especially

due to food born triggers, is increasing. Anaphylaxis due to alpha gu specifically is increasing big time. But mortality does not seem to be increasing, except in Australia, which some of the data has had increases in mortality associate with anaphlexis.

Speaker 3

So does that mean that we have developed better tools or is that a tune in for next week to find it?

Speaker 1

That's a tune in for next week to find out how do we treat it? That was my segue erin you guessed it?

Speaker 3

I love it.

Speaker 1

So yeah, that's allergies for now, but I can't wait for next week to hear about how we figured out how to treat these things, and then we'll talk about how we treat them and what our thoughts are about preventing them in more detail next week.

Speaker 3

But until then, if you would like to learn more about things like the how allergies work, the IgE mediated response, the evolution of allergies, the rise and allergies. We've got sources.

Speaker 1

For you, so many.

Speaker 3

I have so many, and I highlighted too right here just because to list them all out would take another ten minutes. So there's one by Dasher and Fernandez from twenty nineteen titled Allergy in an Evolutionary Framework that's all about the evolution of allergies. And then by Actus from twenty twenty one, does the epithelial barrier hypothesis explain the increase in allergy, autoimmunity, and other chronic conditions?

Speaker 1

Fascinating stuff for the biology of allergies. Boy, do I have plenty of rabbit holes that you can go down, But I'm going to shout out like four or five main papers that are really high level overviews. One is from the New England Journal of Medicae in from two thousand and one, so it's old but still good, and

that is just called Allergy and Allergic Diseases. There was one on titled food Allergy from Nature Reviews Disease Primers from twenty eighteen, and another one titled food allergy from the Lancet two thousand and two, and then two on allergic rhinitis, one titled Allergic Rhinitis from the Lancet twenty eleven and one titled Allergic Rhinitis Definition, Epidemiology, path of Physiology, Detection and Diagnosis from the Journal of Allergy and Clinical

Imminology from two thousand and one. There's so many There's so many more. We're not going to read them all, but you can find them on our website, This Podcast will Kill You dot com under the episodes tab for this episode and everyone we've ever done, they're all there.

Speaker 3

Thank you again, Caitlin so much for sharing your story with us and really helping to illustrate that allergy to environmental allergens is not just a running nose.

Speaker 1

No, it means so much more. Thank you so much for being willing to take the time and to share your story with us and all the listeners. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 3

Thank you to Bloodmobile for providing the music for this episode and all of our episodes.

Speaker 1

Thank you to Leona Scuilatchi and Tom Bryvocal for the audio mixing.

Speaker 3

Thank you to everyone at Exactly Right.

Speaker 1

And thank you to you listeners. We hope you enjoyed this episode and that you're stoked for next week to learn even more about allergies. Yeah.

Speaker 3

Why do EpiPens work the way they do?

Speaker 1

I can't wait to find out.

Speaker 3

Yeah, me too, got some reading to do. Thank you also to our wonderful, generous, amazing patrons, We really truly appreciate your support so much. Thank you, Thank you well. Until next time, wash your hands.

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