#642 - James Li

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I want to let you guys know I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida, um preparing for my uh comedy special taping. That's March 13th and 14th. Uh with two shows on the fourteenth. Get your tickets only at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R. Um it's Return of the Rat. It's still I know that you like this rat has returned so many times. But I've just got to uh I gotta make sure everything is um running smooth for the special that has been so far. So um excited to get down there.

Reminder guys that you can get video versions of our episodes now on Spotify as well. Today's guest is an independent journalist. Uh he's a content creator. He has his own show, 5149, that's on YouTube. Um, we got into a lot. I'm grateful to sit down today with Mr. James Lee.

Good, good. Good as I'm gonna look today, dude. I'm yeah. I thought about wearing the bucket hat, but I'm like, I gotta switch up the hats. You know what I'm saying? I always usually I'm wearing the bucket hat. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh yeah. Dude, I almost wore this beekeeper's hat that I got. Yeah. Yeah. Whitney Cummings one night at the comedy store, I think she was going through something, and she gave me a full beekeepers outfit. Really? Yeah, for no reason. It was like

She's like, I got something for you. And then she went and got a beekeeper's full. Yeah. Like beekeepers outfit out out of her trunk or whatever. The last beekeeper scene that I saw was like. From that movie Bogonia. Did you see that movie? I haven't seen it yet. Is it good? It's dark. Really? Like really dark. Like I'm like, this I was not ready for this. I was

I was not it. Like you mean perversion or sensuality or like what are you talking about, dark? It's just like uh I mean the plot line just like humanity just like the the What are they called? Alice or whatever? Well, they're trying to do like cultural commentary. Okay. And so I'm like, wow, this is not a m it's like I'cause I deal in it all day long. So I'm like, I don't need a movie. I g I like my movies to be like chill. Right. Like rom coms and and

Comedy. Madagascar. Yeah. Yeah. Those kinds of things. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Sierra Leone or whatever, some of that. I don't know what that is. Well, I was just thinking of other African countries. It's crazy because there's like Madagascar and then there's Hotel Rwanda. So that's the only thing like Africa it gives you like some polar opposites if you pick the wrong

African area off of your uh you know to Netflix. I've never been to Africa. Um oh there actually, can I tell you this story before we get going? Yeah, for sure. Just a real quick story. Okay, so no worries. James Lee. Good to see you today. And is it Lee? Yes. Okay, good.

James Lee. Tell me your story and then I'm gonna ask you a question. Okay, okay. So just quick story before we start. I just have to tell you the story. Okay, so this is like a few years ago. Me and my buddies were in Europe. We're on this Euro trip and this is like

Two of my best friends and this is like the type of people you meet at your first job, like it's a really, really shitty job where you're like we're literally like call center with a headset, everybody's yelling at us all day. So we're like, hey, one day when we get out of here, we're gonna go to Europe. Yeah.

Yeah. Um we're gonna do this Euro trip type of thing, like the movie. Mm-hmm. And we did do that. So finally a few you know, years and years later we had a chance to do that. And we were just going out and partying every single night. In what country? This is in like Spain and Portugal. But after like seven to ten days of this. Um, we're like, dude, I think my liver's shutting down. Like we have to stay in for for a night. Like we're gonna die here.

So then we stayed in and that night, so we were just scrolling around um whatever. It was like Netflix or some uh some streaming thing that I don't I don't remember. And that night we ended up binge watching the show called Deal With It. Do you remember that show? Oh yeah. I was a host. Yeah, I know that's what I was that's how I had to tell you the story. Oh, that's a good idea. We literally watched like ten episodes of Deal With It. How stoned were you guys?

Uh I'm like a scared person in that picture, which is crazy. And so so then we made a pact right there. We're like, hey, if anybody starts doing weird shit, like you just gotta go with it for a little while. Like just just see what happens, you know, don't shut it down right away. But I but that was so it's a full circle moment from like many years ago. I was like watching the show. That was my first

Introduction to Theo Vaughn was this show. I don't know if how proud of you are on uh the work on this show, but but it was very inter it saved my life. Oh really? That's beautiful. Some beautiful streets they have there too though. They do. Lisbon's so nice. But um

Dude, no, the show is fun. I didn't have uh much input. That was kind of the tough part. Like you were just kinda like screwing around. And then I also just realized I look like that lesbian lady from uh what's that band they sing like um Life is a high. Oh wait, the fl Rascal Flats. Yes, I looked like that lesbian lady from Rascal Flats actually. Pull me back up. I was not aware there was a lesbian lady in Rascal Flats. And I don't maybe that's rude to say that. Yeah, pull her up.

Pretty close, huh? I mean they oh there is not a lady and rascal f I don't see the lady and rascal flash. I was like, is that the lesbian? Is that like my bad. I have no I'm thinking I think I'm thinking of somebody else, dude. Whatever. All right. Okay, anyways. That was yeah, so then that was when I that was like the first time I ever saw who you were. Oh interesting. I don't know how far along in your career at that point that was, but that was probably thirteen years into my career probably.

And um Yeah. Howie Mandel gave me a job there and thank you so much, Howie. That was fun. Yeah, for people don't didn't watch the show, it was like It was like a hidden camera show where there's like contestants and then one of'em has like an earpiece and you're telling them what to do and the other person has to like go along with it. Right. They're doing weird shit. Just like, hey

floss at the at the at the restaurant, you know, table. Yes. And then like or like go eat somebody else's food. And there's these challenges that you would have to pass. And if you make it, if the other person is like, Dealing with it, then they would earn money. Yeah. And so that's when me and my buddies were like, All right, hey man, just just in case we're in that situation, you you just go with it for a little while.

I can't believe you guys say you didn't watch that, but yeah. Yeah, you'd find just two strangers walking on the street you'd have already pre set up at a at a restaurant. Was that real though? Or is it were the contestants really like, Hey, I wanted those two people or were they like pre screened and then We would pick people that were just kinda going in or coming by. Wow A lot of times do try to get people and they wouldn't come they just wouldn't

understand or want'em yeah, you'd always want'em to go to the bathroom and then you'd go ask the other person who's at the table, like, Hey, will you be on this game show? We're doing a game show in here today. Yeah. And so it was a lot of craziness. The the craziest thing that ever happened on that show was one time There was a couple walking on the street and we invited a man

Cause you you'd you'd be like, hey, well we're giving away free appetizers or something. So they come and sit down and then one of them would go to the restroom and that's when we'd ask the other one, hey, we're gonna put an earpiece in your ear. We're gonna start telling you things to do. If your friend that you're here with, when they come back from the bathroom,

you know, if they don't notice that you're doing weird shit, like the more you can get them to deal with, the more money you make. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But one time it was uh we so we put the earpiece in this lady's ear. The guy had gone to the restroom, he comes back and sits down, and the guy was a pimp and she was a

working girl. Really? So she starts doing this crazy shit and the pimp starts getting Like threatening this lady, like I'm gonna whoop your ass like and we're like Like this is like this isn't going well really.

That that episode didn't air, right? No, at a certain and that's when we should have aired. Oh. You know. Um it's in the vault somewhere. Maybe how he can pull that back up or what? I mean it would be it would be wild if he did. Oh, I think if we aired the ones that didn't air, that would be that would be pretty wild.

But yeah, there was definitely some cr there was like some ridiculous moments on there that were pretty great. Uh, but that was one of the wildest ones and we just had to shut it down because it was like an endangerment to the lady or something. Yeah. But anyway, um James Lee, good to see you. Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show. Thanks for coming, man. I appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. You live in um

Do you say where you live? California? Yes. I mean I I I tell people I live in San Diego. Okay. That's as bout as specific as I'll get, you know. Yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. I first learned about you like just in some clips online. I was like, Yeah, look at this like investigator, you know. I I feel like a lot of investigators now and a lot of people are getting kind of their news. Um from guys like you, uh, Nick Shirley, um, Hasan Piker, Candace Owens clip.

Um, I I just feel like it's becoming a lot more from social clips that people even get their news. For sure. And I wouldn't I wouldn't even say that I'm not like an investigator, I think is like really generous. Of what I do. Like I like to expose rich and powerful people, but it's like an there's like a network of investigators. Like we're all leaning on each other to

Like somebody's find something. I'm like, oh, that's great. I'm gonna put that in my video. So there's a look, there's like a lot of information sharing that goes on. So I don't want to take credit for being You know, a guy that's like a little bit of a little bit of a little

In you know, there's like real, real investigators that are literally like pouring through like document after document. And sometimes I'll do that, but it's just like it's just me. So I don't have the resources to be able to do that a lot of time. So it's like there's like a collective network of like

decentralized journalists or creators that's a good term in that space. Yeah. Decentralized journalists. Yeah. Yeah. Like we don't work for one particular news organization. Of course. So like we all have our own editorial freedom. But there's like alignment in terms of We want to just expose rich and powerful people. Yeah. Or like So that feels like your th like sort of your theme is the expos exposure of the elite.

Elites or businesses, right? I talk a lot about private equity and how they're basically buying up all the houses or they're taking over, you know, certain industries like the hospital industry or I did one recently that was on they're buying there's a private equity company buying all the sports rinks in in the Northeast.

And because they want to make more money, they were making rules in their contract when you sign your kids. It's like it's like youth hockey. It's not like elite ho, you know, hockey. It's it's like kids playing hockey and they're signing, making the parents sign this contract saying you can't film your kids. while they play hockey'cause they want you to sign up for this fifty dollar a month subscription service.

that they own that they want to like it's like if you want footage of your kids playing hockey you gotta sign up for this. Oh like it's a max preps thing or something like a It's like it's just it's like it's it's a company called um Black Bear Sports. Black Bear Sports Group, and they own a ton of ice ranks in the Northeast. Yeah, this one right here.

Wow, they banned parents from recording kids' hockey. We changed that. Okay. So so yeah, this is so then I I saw this article. I'm like, I gotta blow this up, right?'Cause a lot of people aren't gonna read this article. Right. So then Yeah, I feel like it's my responsibility to say, hey, this is a big deal because it this is just them price gouging parents. Like you're taking a moment of joy from these.

Parents like they just want to, you know, they're not going to be able to do that. You can watch the kid practice. You're watching him. Exactly. And then now you want to paywall that and make them sign up for fifty dollars a month, which is like more expensive than you know, Netflix and all these other companies. So you so you're basically like Taking advantage of their parents' love to like, yes, of course we want our kids, you know, record of our kids scoring a goal. So I'm gonna pay for that.

But it's like, is that good? Is that you know, is that the right thing to do? Yeah, like at what point is there do we decide, hey, we don't need to make a dollar off of this, right? There's an actual human value here that's worth more than some um ownership or that's worth more than like the rights to something. And then how weird does it get once you start giving away the rights to film your own kids?

And then it's all you know, like how long before a drone is in the sky and if you want footage of your kid playing in your yard, you have to, you know, email the drone and pay a fee to get a certain clip of your child on a swing. Because if you pull your own phone out in your backyard, it won't work anymore because you didn't pay a subscription fee. You know what I'm saying? You just It sounds dystopian. It sounds dystopian, but where we're getting now sounds dystopian. Um

You know, in some places anyway, and in some ways for sure. Uh how did you get into kind of Let's say investigative journalism, like what spurned you to become someone who kind of wanted to expose? Hmm. So you want like I can give you like a short version or like a slightly longer version?'Cause okay, so I'll

I'll I'll try to make it as succinct as possible. So like many so this is like when I was a kid growing up, I was I think I was in elementary school. My mom asked me like, hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? And I said, teacher. She's like, what? And I said, yeah. And he's like, why? And I said, well, summer breaks. Duh. And no. But that wasn't so so like for me, that was the joke reason. But really, I love just like

I have this natural curiosity for things. I love learning about stuff and I love telling other people about stuff. So like that's to me, that's a teacher. Like what I do right now is like teaching in a sense. of like I'm reading, you know, basically like one chapter ahead. And then I'm I'm learning about stuff like, wow, this is really cool. I want to share that with the world. And hopefully you can use that information to better your life. That's that's my hope.

I never obviously did that. I I worked a bunch of different things. Um, and like I was saying, I was working in a call center, just just random startups. I didn't go anywhere. So then maybe about ten years ago, I was talked into applying to business school. So then I went to um NYU. I went to the full time MBA program at NYU. You live in New York?

A couple of years. Yeah. Cool. It was cool. I mean, it was cool for a little while. I actually didn't like living in New York. It was like just too too much for me. Like the the stimulus was it's a lot. Yeah. It was better back then. Now I go back. I go back probably a couple of times a year'cause I still have friends out there and I visit them. And when I go there now I'm like, Whoa, this is uh Sensory overload for me at this point.

Um, but anyway, so I went to business school and I actually wrote my essay because that was when I was applying to business school was when Bernie first started running. His twenty sixteen campaign for president and I was a big Bernie guy and that's when I first learned of like, Oh wow, the Democratic Party is not so democratic. Like I'm sure you know some of the stories about him getting

screwed over by the DNC and he won some primaries and then they pulled him out they pulled him out. Well they well they they gave like for example they they gave Hairlery like access to the the debate questions ahead of time. They were rigging all the rules against Bernie, just like and then they were creating smear campaigns that originated from the DNC, like the Bernie Bros. That was like a DNC manufactured smear campaign to say, oh, Bernie Sanders is a racist and a sexist.

That came from the DNC themselves. That wasn't like an outside group saying that. It could be. But it's like it was never an official DNC contract. Well, nobody said it was an official DNC contract. It was a leak. that came out later on that said I would not be surprised. I mean, either way his his home party railroaded him. His own party did not give him people wanted him and they did not give the people what they want, which is really the most undemocratic thing.

Trump, populist left Bernie. That was supposed to be the election. Yeah. And that was gonna be like that would have imagine that fight right there. That would have been that's what the soul of America is all about. Instead, the Democrats got like the most establishment candidate, Hillary Clinton. Nobody wanted her.

Um, but anyway, so around that time, um I was going I was applying to business school. So I'd seen all that happen. So I wrote my essay going to business school. I was like, Hey, I wanna work in the news business because I wanna improve, you know, the um the way we report the news. Um and so I went to business school. So immediately I got in there, they were like, I don't think you're gonna be able to get a job at a news agency because you don't have any experience.

So why don't you do consulting instead? Apparently anybody can be a consultant. Mm-hmm. That's true. And so um so they're yeah, no, seriously, I was like I have no none of this background. So like credit to consulting firms, like if you go to the right school, they will hire you as long as you know you do well in the The interviews and things like that. So I became a consultant, management consultant for four and a half, five years at a big four consulting firm.

And it just so happens coincidentally, so then COVID hit, like a maybe a year after I started working in consulting. And it just so happened that I was working for a big pharma client at the time. Um, and so COVID, big awakening for I think a lot of us. I mean, for me, for many other people. Cause at first I was like one of the people who

Was okay. I was like, all right, we gotta stay inside. We gotta lock down. We gotta stop the spread, right? Who doesn't wanna stop? I was like, I'll stop. Yeah, let's stop the spread. Let's do that. And then it was then the mass and then eventually the vaccines. But then over the next course, like maybe a year, year and a half, things started coming out that was like weird. It was like, what the heck is this? Like they seem to be contradicting themselves. Then you had that whole

Joe Rogan debacle of the Ivermectin when they said it was horse pace, when there's like a human version of it, that obviously he's not taking the veterinary medicine. For sure. So then I saw that, but then I was on the inside. I was literally like, okay. Something weird's going on.

And then I got to do so this is the year, I think it was like twenty twenty two, right at the beginning of twenty twenty two. So And you're working for a big pharma company at that time as a consultant. As a consultant. Yeah. My specialization was supply chain. So I was

Doing projects like optimizing inventory. So it's like how much product you have based on how much you're gonna sell and how much you're making. Cause you wanna have the right amount, right? If you have too much, it's gonna be there's gonna be um leftover, it's gonna expire, you're gonna have to throw it away. Yeah.

If it's not enough, then you know, you run out of stock and you can't make money, right? So you have to have the perfect amount. So that was that was my job. And and and a lot of it was like making PowerPoints, you know, spreadsheet, PowerPoint work. Yeah. And so then we did this project at the beginning of 2022 for this big pharma clan. I can't say which one for legal reasons, but it was one of the manufacturers of the COVID-19 vaccine. And one of the projects that we did was looking at.

the totality of the inventory they had within this product. And we c went to them with this with the with a report saying that by the end of this year, and this is so this is once again twenty twenty two. So then Everybody who wanted to get the vaccine had t taken it by this point. It was'cause twenty twenty one is where it came out. It was about a year after that. People had already gotten their first couple doses.

And so we we let him know it's like, hey, you it looks like you're gonna have a few hundred dollars or sorry, a few hundred million dollars worth of inventory at the very least, depending on how you calculate, it could be more worth more than that. That's gonna be left over at the end of the year that has no demand against it, meaning you're not gonna be able to sell it. Nobody's buying it.

And then a few weeks later you're gonna have product left on the shelves. You could have well, yeah, exactly. Nobody's buying this. And then a few weeks later, I see the CEO of this company go on to CNBC or one of these news, you know, uh companies, news shows, and he says, Well, I think it's time to do like another booster show. And so then to me I was like, holy fuck, this is this whole thing is

I can't do this anymore. I was like, I'm out. So they created the booster because oh, we have extra left over, of course. I mean people say that, but then they'll call you a conspiracy theorist for saying that'cause it was like, no, no, there's scientific backing to this and that, but I'm on the inside, I'm like, this doesn't look

This is this seems like a pure financial decision. Dude, Magellan was a conspiracy theorist, wasn't he? What for going around the world? Well no, who's the guy that prothesized that there was another place to go to sail to? Well, Columbus was the guy that said the world is round. And I'm gonna go the other way.

Right? People w w going one direction. He's like, I think I can get around to the other side. That was Columbus. Oh yeah, Columbus. That's the original reach around right there. Yeah. First of all, let's just say that, dude. Um but at that point I I thought, man, I think I'm contributing to evil and I don't want to do this anymore. Wow. And Eventually I I I got out. There's a there's a whole story of like me getting let go because I was staying

I started getting more rogue at work. You know, just like saying stuff you're not supposed to say. Oh yeah. Just milling around the water cooler. Yeah. Well, it's like powerful, you know, the the the the the elites of the company, you know, the h people who are really high up. And I started saying stuff that was like, I think it was correct, but it

was uncomfortable from them to hear. Yeah. And then then and then I get brought into like a meeting. It's like, Hey, do you you know, what's your future look like here at this company? Where do you see yourself? That kind of thing. And then I was put on a um performance improvement plan shortly thereafter. That people who know yeah, people who who work in corporate America will know what that is, right? It's basically their way of firing somebody without legal

Right. They build it. They try to show that there's steps. Yeah, they they say like, Oh, the we're not firing this person for any other reason other than poor performance. Except um, you know, they they said I was doing like typos and it was like really first of all What Asian is doing typos? Not even to make it racial or there are type I'm not gonna say there aren't typos. There's sometimes there were typos. Yeah.

But but that's more of a uh that's certainly more of a general Caucasian problem. You talking about Epstein with the typos on the emails or Oh that's a good point, huh? Like the whole thing is typos. He didn't even want to commit to what you know. of complete completing a word, you know. Yeah, it was very b bizarre. I mean this is getting off track, but very bizarre how he typed was like there's commas, but then there's three spaces after that.

Yeah. Well it's like it's almost like you wanted to show that if the kiss ever tried to show this, it wouldn't match up with anything else, you know? And that's when you're in such a state of like. uh protecting yourself or like outsmarting the world. Um So then a at what point do you start? Because you started making clips first and then you started fifty one forty nine, that's your podcast. So I well so I started um the first

So when COVID hit, I actually just started doing videos on YouTube just because I had more time on my hands and I was just like, I'm gonna look into some of this stuff. So I started doing like one video a week on the weekends. I was just like, you know, they're shitty videos. They're still up. People can go look for them. They're not very good.

But it's just me looking into stuff. Um, so then um after that I started doing more and more of that, um putting stuff on yeah, making content. So I was on YouTube and then then I started posting on TikTok. And then Instagram. And Rogan shared something here mentioned it one time. He yeah, he he shared something. It was actually a really funny clip because I was wearing my bucket hat. And and like I think it was like Shane Gillis or somebody. He was just like, yo.

Oh that's the clip right there, yeah. Let's see it. That guy with a fishing hat is not a reliable resource. Yeah. Let's get mad. Let's get mad. The LA Fire Fund, you know, they they had this big Show big fundraiser. They raised a hundred million dollars. James Lee did a thing about it on uh Instagram. Uh uh. This the way they distribute the money is so crazy.

You you're gonna you're gonna read this and you're never gonna wanna donate to charity again. Listen to this. I watched this I will looked into it a little bit. We'll watch it but I w what they say though is that within the first month they distributed half of that money. Hold on, before you press play on this That guy with a fishing hat is not a reliable resource. That's awesome though.

But that uh I remember this thing. I remember like, oh, so this guy's catching on. People are curious about this guy. People are Adapting to I think what they feel like is genuine, even if it's just genuine curiosity, I think people are attacked that you can. you know, there's something inside of you that will attract to it, right? And people also are that I think they're truth seekers. It's like, you know, water seeks like the a comfortable level.

So it's like um that's how people work's kind of finding you and being like, Oh, well, there's something here that's real, you know? Well, for me, I I'm literally like the definition of a person who is just a regular guy. I don't think I'm too like smarter than regular people. I I was like a decent student, but never the top student. Like I I'm not a I d I I'm not a good reader.

But what I'd had was this kind of like curiosity. And one thing that I do think I'm good at is like just recognizing patterns of like. This, this, this, this. And I'm like, oh, these kind of all fit together. It's like there's there's like a logical pattern that's happening here.

And so I'm I'm just a little definition of a guy who imagine just like, hey, we're gonna make you like an anchor in the news. Like, and then you're gonna be able to say whatever you want. And that's just me. So like I have no editorial um sort of control from other people. It's just like whatever I'm interested in.

I'll do a video on that. And there's nobody really to tell me you can't do this or you can't do that. Other than of course, like getting deplatformed. Right. Which happened. Yeah, which which did happen. But which happened recently. Yeah. Happened recently on TikTok. Yeah. We'll come back to why that happened. If I could go back in time and do one thing, I I think I would invest. That's what I would have done.

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And there was like a smoldering. So the firefighters had come and technically put it out. But the residents there, and I've talked to a couple residents there, they're saying no, there was still like smoke emanating from the brushes.

And and then seven or eight days later that's when the big fire came in with the wind and it like whipped everything back up. That's the same thing that happened in Maui. A fire was put out. The police stayed there all night with it, thought it was out. They were they waited there all night until like I think until like two, four four AM or something. And then they went home. They said there's nothing left.

In the morning the winds kicked up and that's when it got to another level. Anyway, go ahead and get well and Gavin Newsome it was saying stuff like, Oh, we can't couldn't have done that because of like vegetation. It's like some environmental reason why they couldn't go back in. It was like kinda bullshit. So now the state's getting sued because they're culpable for it. And they even said this is like a couple weeks after the fire had started. The deputy fire chief said. There's no way this

Big fire was started from the other fire because we put that fire, that fire was dead out. And now it's not dead out. Spencer Pratt has been really big on this in in terms he's running for mayor of LA and he's all over this. Yeah, I'm seeing that. Um so who says the small fire caused the big fire and who says it didn't? So what do we know what really happened? Yeah, we know there's now There's now evidence that definitely came from from the first fire. So now the state is getting sued.

by I can't remember who the I don't know who they're doing. Because what did they do? Well what they did was they it was negligent because they didn't follow the procedures to put out the fire. Got it. Because they knew that there was still smoldering. I think there's records of this. But they couldn't go in for vegetative reasons or whatever it is. And so now they're in trouble because now the damage that's been caused to the entire Palisades community.

Yeah, see, there it is. One year ago, just after midnight on New Year's Eve, a small brush fire broke out in Topanga State Park above the Pacific Palisades outside Los Angeles. Within hours of Los Angeles fire department arrived on scene and began digging handlines to stop its spread.

The eight acre fire ignited by a twenty nine year old former Palisades resident who has since been charged with arson was quickly brought under control. By four forty six AM, the department declared it fully contained with no further updates anticipated. But the fire was never fully extinguished. A week later, on January 7th, it reignited and burned more than 23,000 acres. destroyed sixty eight hundred structures and killed twelve people in what became LA's worst urban

wildfire catastrophe. And I'm guessing that was the Palisades fire or that's the Palisade. That's the Palisades. There's another big fire, the Eaton Fire, which is in Altadena. Mm-hmm. And that one was caused by P G and E.'Cause one of the power lines uh fell down. Yeah. Hm. And so they're getting sued right now for that. Wow. But can a fire smolder for that long? I've been told yes, it could smolder for a number of days.

even weeks. It's because it it's really dry there. There hadn't been rain for a long time. I even looked there was like literally n uh NASA satellite imagery of like you could see like the hot spot. Like in and and it doesn't necessarily have to be like smoking from my understanding. It could be Like under the the earth, it could be like hot. Right. And then any kind of wind condition, you could like

I don't know how it really works from a scientific perspective, but it's like starting a fire. It's like starting a a fire in in in a campsite. Like you can w under the right conditions, the fire will start.

So I think the issue here in terms of the liability is that the fire department is supposed to go back in and check it to make sure that it has been put out. Got it. And because they didn't do that, the liability is now on them in terms of the damage. I mean there's billions of dollars of damage now. Which opposes I mean, which is contradictory to what they said, which is like the fire's dead out. We we did our job. What were they saying it was the original cause of the fire?

Well they say it was just like An act of God. It was like, you know, there's no way to stop this because it was so crazy. The wind and the Poseidon or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Zeus did it.

Yeah, exactly. And this is what Spencer Pratt's been going on about. So he's like, this is not an like just some crazy thing. It it's e it could have been easily preventable if you guys had done your job. Well what was the issue with the uh with the fundraising? Were they giving the fund? Oh, the fundraising. So there's actually I think they're getting

suit as well now because that was like from like six or eight months ago when I was doing that video. But what happened there was like they they collected a bunch of money from this like concert, right? This like uh benefit concert. And they're supposed to go to the fire victims.

But then when you do like when you partner with the nonprofits, a lot of that money first just gets absorbed by the nonprofit for like administrative things. Yeah, holiday parties, shit like that or whatever. Exactly. And then

From what I understand, like I've talked to a few residents, like we didn't see any of the money. Like, how do we get this? And and then the the there's people or organizations that can sign up to get that money distributed to them. And there would be other companies like diaper companies.

or whatever it is, like services. Diaper companies? So like for example, they they the these companies come in and say, Well, we can help distribute diapers to residents that have lost their homes. But then now that creates another bureaucratic step for if you've lost your home Like you just want... a check, like just give me some money so I can like survive. I don't want to go to this organization to like collect a diaper.

Because I have a child. It just makes things like way more complicated that way. Understand. So it's a lot of or they'll they'll donate it to these other places, maybe a friend's charity, whatever this is. And the next thing you know, it's been distributed to all these different spots and there's not any action. And then the residents they don't know like where the spots are.

And so it's a lot easier for them to say, Hey, this is the deed in my house. It burned down. Can I collect my five thousand dollars or whatever the distribution was? It's right. It would be a lot easier to do it that way. But the the people who organize this is the Balmer Group, which owns the the Clippers and the the stadium in LA. But you think they would want to then do the most uh pr human thing then. If it's a they're they're owning a

the Clippers, you know what I'm saying? They want the fans to come into their games. Well they I think they thought they were doing the humane thing, but it's like I think it's just like the the corruption of the system. It's like, well we have all these charities that we already work with. So let's like bring them into the fold of this. But it's not like the best solution. The best solution is just to give people the money that need the help.

Yeah. But then now they're just enriching, you know, the people who are their friends, like all their, you know, partners that are doing all these nonprofits, they get a little bit of a cut as well, you know, through this process. You say you just want a little cut. Yeah. In its report, the House Judiciary Committee stated money went to left-leaning pet projects, illegal aliens, and the administrative costs related to running nonprofit organizations.

This is from CBS News. You had examples of funds used for voter outreach efforts towards political advocacy groups, towards podcasters, fungus planning. Those examples are pretty troubling. Um I do want to be clear, there were many organizations that got funds, nonprofits that are certainly very worthy nonprofits. Right I think there was one I was talking to um Allo Black, he was cause he's involved, his house burned down. Mm-hmm. And he was like, I don't understand why the

The um what was it? The community college of like Pasadena is getting money for this. Like they didn't like why do they need money? Right. So it's a s I think it's more of like, hey, if you wanted to maximally benefit the people, you would do the right thing and you just give the money to the people. Like show that show a record that you own this house and then come and collect your check versus all this bureaucratic shit.

Where people can take it they're just trying to the the problem with the California is like They want to they have there ever there's problems that they need to solve, but they need to create the solution always involves like people being able to like stick their hand in the cookie jar and taking a cut here, taking a cut there. And then by the time the money goes to the people who need it, it's like a lot less of it actually is there.

There's no dessert left really. Yeah. For the people that need it most Oh wait, Robertson is an attorney representing Palisades fire victims in a civil case against the city. He says public records obtained by the LA Times add credibility to his claim that the Lochman fire was not properly extinguished. Okay. Um a new report from LA Times claims the Los Angeles Fire Department tried to protect Mayor Carambash from reputational harm.

Uh it was smoldering right on the top of the ground and we have numerous hikers that took video that called nine one one that still took photographs. So they they're definitely there's so much evidence that the the fire wasn't properly put out. So they're under I mean, uh the state of California is getting sued because technically I think it's a state land and I think now

It's funny, I th I heard Spencer talking about this. Karen Bass is like trying to join that lawsuit against Gavin Newsom. She's like trying to, you know, she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I I'm I'm also been wronged in this situation as well. It was Gavin Newsom. So they're all pointing fingers at this point.

I mean that's Malibu uh But then okay, so but then the out I wanna do the the outcome of this is like many homes being burned down and then corporations coming in to buy these homes. Yeah. You know, if you I think you could probably look up a stat, like more than fifty percent of houses that have been purchased in LA after the fires were purchased by corporations.

In fire districts or just anywhere? No, no, no. In the the fire areas that burned down. I I saw the there was a headline for of this for sure. Got it. Like m i the houses that have burned, I think, not of just regular homes, I think. Let me see if we gotta fact check that. Investors are buying close to half the empty lots in LA burn zones, report says.

Uh that's conclusion researchers with the online real estate listings platform Redfin reached in a new report published Tuesday. Analyzing transactions in LA County burn zones during July, August, and September, they found that about forty percent of Pacific Palisades vacant lots went to corporate buyers. In both Altadena and Malibu, about forty-four percent of such vacant lot sales went to investors. Huh. I wonder though, is there some benefit maybe they're putting it into

Just a business or an LC. I wonder if there's some other benefit of doing it that way. Um You know what I'm saying? Like maybe there's a different in sh maybe it's insurable that way. And maybe regular home. You know what I'm saying? Like I wonder if there's something else that adjusts that.

I don't I mean if I don't think so. I mean it it seems like at the very least you can argue the size of the investor. Are they BlackRock or is it like some person who owns like five homes? Got it. Right. That that that could be something

to discuss, but it's certainly not people who live there. Like if you want your home and you live there, it's not like that. It's not like for your family. It's like this guy's buying the home to like rent it out or to flip it or something like that. Yeah. Which isn't ideal for You know, home ownership and you know, you you want people to live in the home. And you can get a homestead exemption that way. I mean I just you know, or there's different things like if it's your primary residence.

Um oh before I forget, what yeah, what what got you deplatformed? Let's talk about that and then let's get into the Epstein stuff'cause that's kinda current and we'll yeah uh go down some rabbit holes here with the uh with one of the lead hairs here. For sure. Um Well, so TikTok they never tell you why you're

Yeah, none of these places kind of do. No, you don't know. They just one day you're banned. Some people have warnings and strikes before they're banned. I wasn't in that situation. I had a good standing account with no issues, and all of a sudden I was banned. I was banned twice, actually. So the first time I was banned. You can only now context clues. The the first time was when I did a video about how our FBI director, Cash Patel, might be.

Getting honey potted, you know. Yeah, people have been talking about that. I don't know. I I never say I was just reading, you know, other people's sort of reporting and who she was and it's like, Hey, this seems like kind of a weird relationship. Like, does she work?

Um, you know, she's working closely with Prager U, which is basically like an Israeli run outlet. There's um an intelligence officer that runs Prager U. So is she involved in that? And then it got banned after that. But then I I was able to get that restored actually through A friend who knew somebody at TikTok. They're like, Okay, I think we can help get you back on. So then I was back.

And then the next time happened very shortly after I was named anti Semite of the Week by that group. Stop anti Semitism. Oh yeah, of the week. They're doing the weekly. They I don't even know that they're doing it weekly now. Um yeah, there you go. I remember Tucker Carlson was on this too. Yeah.

Um, who won? What did you get into Tucker won. Tucker won. Yeah. He I mean he was just in Israel. I don't know if you saw some of that inter interview with him and Huckabee. Oh yeah, I did, dude. It's definitely pretty baffling. Yeah. What was one of the takeaways from the Huckabee interview that you found interesting?

Well I I thought it was really interesting how Huckabee was just being so open about what the project is there. He's like, Yeah, I want Israel to take the whole thing. Like'cause Tucker was saying, hey, basically. About not Gaza, the Middle the whole Middle East basically. He was cause he was talking about how based on scripture This this whole land is like the Greater Israel project.

Yeah. And he's like, Oh yeah, you have a biblical right to do this and and and are you okay with Israel taking the whole thing, which includes other countries like Jordan and Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, Iran, all these countries. And Huckabee's like, Yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty baffling. I mean, Huckabee just really it feels like he's more of a politician for Israel than America.

Well, that's certainly the case. He's the ambassador, right? He is the ambassador, but he also met with Jonathan Pollard, who's the spy, convicted spy, um, you know, traitor to America, and he met him on the at the American Embassy in Jerusalem, which is

You know, I mean it's pretty fucked up. I mean, yeah, unless he was yeah. There was actually a clip and he was like, I didn't meet with there was not a a meeting or he was like it wasn't a meeting, but I meet with people all the time. It was more of like I was there with him. Okay. CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL

So but here but I have a theory around this'cause I was like, why was why would he even want to do this? Why would they want to telegraph it so nakedly to people and basically say that, yeah, Israel controls American foreign policy? That's kind of crazy thing to do. And my and then why was Tucker even allowed to do the do this interview? And I have this theory of like basically both.

parties, the Democrat and the Republicans, they need to create these release valves for the base in order to keep it intact. Like they have that on the the left with like Bernie Sanders, AOC. I see them as kind of like a release valve to to to get people back in the the Democratic Party fold. Right. Instead of going to a third party something else. You know, like the last election they in Michigan, they had this um non committed vote in Michigan.

Where people really because they didn't want to vote for a Democrat because they're supporting the genocide in Gaza and they voted for this non committed party line. They're like, just not I'm not gonna vote for anybody. And that was actually a Democratic Party um move to insert that in because if they didn't vote the uncommitted, they would have voted Green Party and they didn't want vote people uh people to vote Green Party.

I see. So they created this other thing that made them feel some type of way, but really it was owned by the it was owned by the Democratic Party. So it was Right. And they both do that. I think you're right. On both sides there's like And Tucker's the release valve, I think, on the right. Where it's like people are kind of fed up with the whole like prioritizing Israel before everything else. So Tucker is.

creates this like, okay, at least somebody's saying this stuff. So like we feel a little bit better. But do you think he's an instrument of the Republican Party to do that? That's the I mean, I wouldn't know. You would have to ask him about that. I think he's from my understanding, like I only know people who know him. I don't I've never spoken to Tucker, so I don't know what, you know, I don't really know anything about him. But I think in general, he seems to me from the outside looking in

Sort of a guy who wants to do the right thing, report on the right stuff. I think I think he really feels really bad about the Iraq war. I mean, you've spoken to him, so you can tell me more. Like it seems like he's remorseful for the fact that he was such a big champion of a war that got like

A million Iraqis killed thousands of Americans created you know geopolitical chaos. He mentioned that in the Huckabee interview, some of that. He mentions that he mentions that kind of stuff a lot. Yeah. To me, he seems genuine. I mean But he could it doesn't mean but he could still be used by the party apparatus. Right. It's like, yo, you want to do this interview? We'll allow you to do this interview. Right.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Right. Like even that might even be a way of being used that you don't even realize it. Exactly. Because you give somebody a like Okay, you can interview this guy of ours. We know he'll say some things. Yeah. It'll it'll it'll let people have s uh some the people, some will be like, oh, I was right. And it lets a little bit of steam out of the kettle. Exactly. Exactly. That that's one thing I realized about when I was sitting with Bernie recently is um

Yeah, he just kind of yells these things and I've I've I've been a Bernie guy. I wanted Trump and Bernie to be on the same ticket years ago. That would have been wild, huh? It would have been great because I feel like you need to have two people that have different views on the same ticket. Yeah. Like a president and a vice president then.

Whoever loses becomes the vice president in the election. That's how they used to do it. The first three elections were done. That's how it should be done because then you have somebody that you have differing opinions who has differing opinions than you. And you guys are in the same office and you guys have to figure things out, right? Like to me that makes sense, right? It seems like the most democratic way to go about it. Um what I realize it's like

Yeah, he's coming here and yelling the things. He's been yelling the same things for 30 years. Yeah. And nothing is really getting done. And then when you look at everything, it's like, oh wait, they've all been we've all been yelling the same things for 30 years. Nothing is getting it's all like you start to realize that. The politicians and the people

Like politicians are coming on a regular podcast now and just yelling at the people like we've gotta do this. Like motherfucker, we we we voted you to go do it. Don't don't vote us to send you up the mountain and then you just come back down and be like, We gotta do it. Like bitch. We just sent you to say we gotta do it. So that's when I realized, oh, it's just this. And I think everybody realized it that it's a little bit like theaters. It's a shell game. Yeah. And it's yes, it's theater.

And I think everybody's starting to see that. And so I think it's um to me, I think it's getting very interesting right now. Uh which in some ways also is kind of exciting. Well, I think I mean that's one of the things that I do appreciate about Trump is that they are saying some of these things just very nakedly. So then we could just have the conversation about the real thing, right? It's like when we go take Maduro and Venezuela, it's not like

some bullshit about democracy or this and that. It's like, oh yeah, no, we do want the oil. That is a primary reason why we're going over there. So then we don't have to do this whole rigor moral this dance around why we're actually there. It's like, oh, we want the oil. So then we could decide, is this really good? Do you really want to be the country that everybody hates? That just, you know, I want to take Greenland, so I'm gonna have it, I'm gonna take

Venezuela, I'm gonna take Cuba. Is that really good or d or is it better for US diplom or US um standing in the world to like do more diplomacy to get what we want versus just like straight up just sending aircraft carriers or like you know, the SEAL team to go in there and do the thing. I agree. I mean, and I think there's a part of us now that like you're even looking back at historical like I'll watch old movies like war movies now.

And it's like it, I remember as a child, I'd be like, oh yeah, a miracle, we did it, right? And then you watch now and you're like, Oh what are we doing there? Well that's the top gun was like basically the Iran strike. It was literally the plot is the same. The new top gun. Oh, I blame Miles Teller for that. Um and he knows it uh on his joke of miles.

Oh oh the you mean then the original when you mean the original oh the new top gun. The new top gun with Miles Teller, yeah. Oh so you're saying that'cause that was a strike on a urani uh uranium facility in Iran. That was the plot of the movie. Oh wow. And do you think that they knew like, okay, hold on, there's a couple rabbit holes here that we're kind of uh burying eggs in here. Um, but first let me let me s you mentioned uh

Venezuela, right? What do you think happened in Venezuela? Because here are things that I that just a regular person I heard. There was minerals that we wanted over there. Um they were one of the few programs that had like uh their own um financial system. So they weren't on the world financial system. And then um

that they had done something with voting machines. That was something I kept seeing online. That they had some part to do with the voting machines. What in I in hindsight, what are what did you see about Venezuela or what were some of the uh kind of the conspiracy, the Ivermectin holes you were in.

Well, I think Venezuela is really interesting in the sense that yeah, you c like you said, they weren't a part of this system, but they were kind of forced into that position. But they weren't a part of what system? The financial system? Western financial system, because they they've been sanctioned by the United States for like twenty years.

Roughly. And I I only learned about this when I was digging into this because I I don't know much about Venezuela, but I wanted to learn about the history. So I was like, okay, let me let me Do some some searches on the internet and see what they're telling us.

in the news versus like what the history books are saying. And so it was like well, I I can't remember what year, but like Hugo Chavez came to power as like the socialist party in Venezuela and he started nationalizing the oil and then he started doing programs to like improve

You know, uh life expectancy and uh other important metrics in the country like making people like earn more money, all this stuff. So like people's uh life what do you call what do they call this? Um they call them uh quality of life. Qual sorry, yes. people's quality of life was improving in Venezuela, but the US didn't like the fact that they were, you know, socialists, so we don't want socialism. So then the Obama administration actually deemed Venezuela like an enemy to America.

So then we start sanctioning them. So once we start sanctioning them They had to start doing deals with other countries. that weren't a part of the US system. So they started doing deals with like Russia and China.

And now fast forward twenty years later, we're like, these guys are selling oil to China, they're selling oil to Russia. We don't like this. But then you look back, like, well, you force them to sell'em to those countries. Those are the only countries that aren't a plot part of your block. So then those are the only countries they could sell it to. So then they're like oh the Venezuelan economy's so bad they've

you know, everybody lives in poverty. Was like part of the reason for that is like you don't allow them to trade with any of Our allies. Right. We cut them off at a time when they were growing. Yeah, exactly. So how would we want to stop them from growing stronger, do you feel like? Well, because their government was socialist. So now all of a sudden you have a socialist regime That's doing well. Doing well right in sort of your backyard area. Um which is not ideal for sort of our

capitalist kind of style. Like you don't want an example of that here. That's just my opinion. So so then they start sanctioning it. So i w so it's a bipartisan thing. It's not just Trump government. Obama government started this, right? With the with the sanctioning, Trump added on, got it. Made it more you know, robust the sanctions and then all of a sudden, wow, we gotta get this guy out of power because, you know, he's smuggling drugs or something like that.

But also he was very open about the oil. Like he's like, We we gotta get the oil. But then part of it also too, I think is There the the Israel part is like a side piece, but it does play an important piece. What do you mean the Israel part? So like basically whatever country that opposes Israel, they basically tell us like we gotta take that country out.

We gotta do a regime change. So like a lot of that is in the Middle East, but there's some other countries, for example, in in Venezuela, they're very opposed to the Israeli government. The Maduro was very open about calling what's happening in Gaza a genocide and So they're like, we gotta get rid of this. And this is this is something I learned twenty years ago. There was an opposition guy, I can't remember his name, but he was running for for uh president and the

the media kind of slandered him or or they smeared him as a homosexual and a Zionist. So then So to me, that's like okay, that means within the Venezuelan culture, Zionism is a bad thing. They're ascribing to this guy. So I think Israel coming and say this is a country that doesn't really apply. support our existence we should we should do a regime change get rid of it. I see.

So i so you're thinking that part of this was that Israel wanted to come in and have some effect on a country that doesn't support them. Exactly. And you see that happening with other countries that are not I mean Iran is probably the main one right now. That's like the last of their list.

I saw you talking to Dave Smith about this, right? There's like a list of seven countries in the middle of the year. From like the neocons and stuff like that. Like wanting to take over. Yeah, exactly. So then Iran is on that list. So it's like that's why we got to take it out. Even though we have no nuclear weapons at this point, supposedly. They told us.

They did. Well, I mean one of the p things is Henri Capr Capriles. Mm, thank you. Yes. This is the guy I was talking about. Uh Enrique Capriles Radonsky is a Venezuelan politician lawyer who served as a thir thirty sixth governor of Miranda. Um he ran against Nicholas Maduro in Venezuela's twenty thirteen presidential election. Maduro and his supporters spread rumors about Caprila's homosexuality as a smear tactic, including public slurs.

Enrique Caprilos Rodonsky was labeled a Zionist by Venezuelan State Media and Chavez Maduro allies. These accusations framed him as tied to international Zionism, often alongside his Jewish heritage. Oh, so he was a Jewish guy? Um despite his Catholic faith. Huh. Well, it seems like they shouldn't have done that to him, but I guess that's how the media works, right? If the state controlled media, which we have a lot of nowadays with like

CBS News is sort of I would say state controlled media since it was sold off to Larry Ellison. Yeah, Barry Weiss started controlling over there. How do you feel about that that that's been since she took over kind of well it hasn't really Worked out I think once she took it over, it was very overtly clear what they were trying to do, right? They were doing pieces that were saying good stuff about Marco Rubio. They were hailing him as a some kind of genius guy. They were also doing pro Israel

um propaganda. So it was very I think it's very clear to people who consume the news what was going on. And it's actually I think That's a playbook that's maybe a little bit outdated because not that many people get their news directly from CBS news anymore. There's right. There's like that crowd is decreasing. It's like I don't want to say Yeah, no.

Well a lot of people don't even have a cable anymore. I don't even know where you would find it some of it is I don't even know where you'd find it. It's like it used to be you knew where the news channels. Like the Walter Cronkites or the the And now it's crazy. Now you have like John Lyman like tickling some kind of church or whatever, you know?

Just trying to like tickle the holy water out of some honky or whatever, and you're like, What is even happening anymore? So I think just an outdated strategy. They think, Oh, I wanna buy the news so I can control the news. It turns out people don't really like that. People know that. And that's the same thing that happened to the Washington Post, too, right? Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post. He thought they were gonna be able to do kind of pro

Bezos propaganda for him. Turns out all his viewers or readers hated that. They canceled. And now, you know, they're doing I think they just laid off like a third of their And a lot of that media, it's just older media. Yeah. So it's just kind of like leave, you know, some of that realm is changing. It's just like not a change in the guard, but it's like, you know, people want to come and just listen to something in a place where they uh

feel like it's not being controlled anyway. Yeah. And I think there so there's that way is old. So then there's other ways they're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that. While you're still practicing new year, new routines, have you ever stopped to think about what your shower water is doing to your skin and hair? Most people spend thousands every year on skin care and hair care, trying to fix dryness, breakouts, and dull hair. Dull hair

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Anti-Semite of the Week. Okay. And I think they have like tight connections because TikTok's moderation team is run by an IDF soldier. X IDF. Yeah. Um, she was hired recently to run moderation at TikTok. She's an American who moved to Israel, then got Israeli citizenship. There it is. Erica Mindel. That's a pretty name. Um IDF Soldier, Public Policy Manager of Hate Speech at TikTok. Well, did you say something that was hate speech? Well, according to them, yes, because I've been really

Critical of the Israeli government, the genocide, all these subversive tactics. They've, you know, they lied to us about all kinds of stuff. So I do report on that, and that is now considered hate speech.

At TikTok. Even if you're con if you're it's So I'm criticizing the Netanyahu government, right, for what they've done. That is now considered because of the definition. Now they're basically saying anti Zionism is anti-Semitism. That is the definition that they're all adopting, including like the ADL. So if I criticize the government, that's that's sort of a proxy for criticism of Jewish.

Well that seems d to me, that seems bizarre. I mean I'm at the comedy store last night and people are having jokes that are anti-Israel and the crowd is going nuts, right? The entire crowd is cheering in those moments. You know, it seems to be a very popular sentiment that people aren't gonna support a government that's doing um what I believe is largely believed by most people these days to be a genocide or to be uh um

You know, some people call it a new Holocaust or whatever. People call it different things, right? Right. Uh, but that most people believe that it's wrong, right? People saw it, you can't sh you can't trick my heart. You know what I'm saying? It's just like if you've been if the media's been telling me for years with a Holocaust definition that this is wrong, then you can't show me the same thing.

and say it's now it's not wrong for some reason. Um, but also to not attach that to my Jewish friends. Like I had Jewish friends who are in the audience yeah uh this weekend and I make anti Israel jokes and they don't have a none of my friends have a problem with it, you know. Um So I think I don't know how one really connects to the other, you know, and I don't know if that's a

Is that a problem of someone who's just trying to have a voice? Or is that an Israel's problem that they need to figure out? Uh with their own behaviors. That kind of does that make any sense to you? Yeah, yeah. I know exactly what you're saying. I think part of it is too, it's kind of a little bit dark, I think what I'm about to say, but I think part of them wants to create more anti-Semitism.

That's like sort of the goal is like you are not anti-Semitic at all. You don't have any hatred towards Jewish people. You think everybody should be treated the same depending uh regardless of their, you know, creed or color or race, immutable traits, or whatever. And they want to make it

so that you actually don't like them. Because part of the Israel project is getting Jewish people to move to Israel. This is what I've been told. This is what I've um been researching for the last couple of years. Like that's part of their strategy. There was a very famous

um Israeli podcaster who is like, Oh, I love Mamdani. And they're like, Why do you love Mamdani? He's he's like an anti Semite. That's w I don't believe that's true, but they're saying, Hey, but Mamdani's really anti Israel. He's like, This is great because this is gonna get people To move to Israel. That's what I want. And so that I think that's part of the strategy. There's also another thing too with like a group like the Anti Defamation League, that their whole job is like

to reduce anti Semitism, right? That the job is combating anti Semitism. Well that makes sense. Like I mean you think you want to be able to protect like people. So so the the the the crux of that is then you get a Has the ADL spoken out against the Israeli government? No. They're pretty much run by the Israeli guys. So that's the problem with the Israelites.

Speak out against the leader. No, the ADL has long been I did a whole mini documentary. Does it make sense what I'm saying? Like, why wouldn't you speak out against the bad guy? Because the ADL is a acting on behalf of the Israeli government as sort of a spy organization in America. I mean, you could look at that as an ADL. So they're not a free thinking group, they're a group that j that is a Yeah, they're they're a civil they they call themselves a civil rights group.

But what they're actually doing is trying to like create more anti-Semitic. Behavior in the United States. Because if you think about it this way, like you have an organization, your whole thing is like combating anti-Semitism. So let's say one day there's no more anti-Semitism. What happens to this organization?

You're out of work. You're out of work. So then they gotta create more anti So every year the ADL crazy dude. Every year the ADL has published the anti Semitism report. It's gone up every single year. The same guy is still there. I'm like

If you were the CEO of a company and your job, you're doing a shittier and shittier job, wouldn't you get fired? Wouldn't somebody else go in there? You would need that number to come down. But every year the number's going up, the no da donations are going up. They're in the very nice building in New York City.

So like there's a whole like industrial complex. Same thing with the homeless. I I make the the analogy of the homeless industrial complex in California where So much money is pouring into homelessness, but what happens if we actually solve this problem for all these organizations?

Like you need this to continue. So then nothing gets done. But it's the same thing, you need all these things to continue, right? You need the racism to continue. You need uh crime because then you have people living in fear, right? Like you need all these things, right? 'Cause it does start to feel like we're living in a theater that's sort of controlled. Yes.

Well let's get into some stuff that's kinda current. Okay. And um and do you feel like an anti Semite? Did you feel like that that was fair that they said that? Abs well no absolutely not. You can go to that article. There's nothing in there that I said I don't well f first of all speaking personally, like I don't have any problem. I have a lot of Jewish friends. I went to school in New York. I've you know, so I'm I'm very sort of connected in that community.

And the bagel belt. I mean, I wouldn't never I w I would never sort of I I try to be like I'm like so scared of even saying anything like that, you know what I'm saying? What the bagel belt? Yeah, I don't That's funny, dude. Who doesn't love good bagels anyway?

My friend Max is opening a bagel shop in Florida right now. Oh I know I love it. I mean every time I'm in New York, yeah, I'm eating bagels like every other meal. Dude, what I don't like is when you go there and they don't have cinnamon raisin bags.

Is that your thing? I well I just like to have it as an option. If you d if you're not giving that as an option, it makes me question you. It's like what if a kid comes in here, what if somebody who wants to have a little bit of a sweeter day comes in? Well they got the blueberry for that. Yeah.

I don't believe in that one. Um, anyway, what did he say? James Lee is a conspiracist who brands himself as a champion of the independent thought. He uses persona to spread longstanding anti-Semitic tropes and conspiracy theories. Uh his commentary distorts the nature of anti Semitism and vilifies Jewish communities. Damn, James. But I I well, I challenge them to find an example of me vilifying a Jewish community, you know?

Yeah. Well it says right here, they aren't even hiding it anymore. Israel owns America. Well, I mean, that's they do. Well, let's talk about that for a second, man. Um You know, I cause so so so so much now there's like, why are we giving money to these well, you hear that all the time, right? It's not even

you know, something that people are scared to even talk about anymore. It's like, what are we sending all this money to these report? And really just why is there the connection, right? Like it's and And there's not like a clear answer sometimes. It's never like, hey, this is our ally, this because, you know, this is um

But yeah, you're like we can't pay our nurses. We can't you know, I'm saying we don't have like we have issues in our public schools. More people are choosing to home school than ever, which is just another burden on the family, really. Right. Um You know, our food supply has been deemed uh toxic. Toxic, right? That's something that we're battling right now. Seventy percent of young men can't serve in the military because of uh the physical shape that they're in, right? Like

Um, so you start to wonder uh why do we have this extra money to just send to a place, right? So that that I think is a very fair question. And I've been thinking about it a lot, and I do think I don't think we're just sending money to a place. I do believe that our country is owned by Israel and that so you just give the money to the boss. So it's not us get they're just getting the money that's that that's

That's theirs. That's theirs. Yeah. That's what I started to realize. Cause I'm like, yeah, because if you do this for so long and it doesn't make any you know what I'm saying? Like there's no answer. It's like, oh well, that's just that's the boss coming in just getting his money. You know, and so Um yeah, I just think that that's kind of where we're at. And I don't mean that in an un-American way. I think there's still like a lot of like strength and heart in the idea of America.

But I've thought for a long time that we're just like an LLC, like we're a shell company that's owned by Israel. And that's honestly just what it feels like. um more and more. Yeah. Well part of'cause it's like it's you're suppos we're supposed to be like allies. So then there's we're supposed to have like cooperation. You get something out of it. We get something out of it. But then I recently was listening to a podcast with that CIA guy. I don't know if you've talked to him

uh John Kariaku. The long guy with the curly hair? No. John Kariaku looks like that. Yep. And is he a good guy? He's a good so he was the one that Um, he was the one that whistle blew the torture program after Iraq in in Guantanamo in those places. Like, and he went to jail for two years because he He he violated some some statute or whatever for for telling us about that that we were torturing, you know, people he's he told it? Yeah.

CIA whistleblower John Kiraku, who exposed the treatment of Al-Qaeda suspects held in secret prisons, told the Bureau today it was now down to journalists to tell the full story about the Intelligence Agency torture program because politicians did not have the will. Um okay, got it. So I just wanted to get some clarity on who he is. So anyways, he so he was asked, is there like one particular intelligence agency that you just did not trust? He was like, Yeah, it was Mosaic.

And he was telling the story about how every time Mossad comes into the CIA headquarters, they try to drop off some gift that has like a bug in it. So the listening device. And every single time they would catch them, be like, guys, you have to stop bringing these. these bugging devices into our headquarters. And eventually I think the Mossad is was is no longer allowed at at CIA headquarters because they keep trying to bug our conference rooms.

But they have to have they have access to our conference rooms. Like you know what I'm saying? Like do you think that that's Oh, this was in the past? You mean or recently? Okay.

Yeah. So he was the one who was kind of he was just saying that those were some stories from the other. Yeah. So I'm like, this is not how an ally should act, right? Because if we're supposed to be partners, like why are you trying to bug or you know, spy on us? Right. Right. That's one of the things. I think Tucker was talking to Ted Cruz, like

Should Israel spy on us? Like is that something that they should do as an ally? So that's what I'm saying. It's like this relationship's like a little bit like they're just monitoring their employees. Yeah, yeah, like a little bit of an abusive relationship is what is going on, right? That's that's kind of how I would

s view it in in like a more like you know, just like a layman setting uh uh way of putting it is like I think this is an abusive relationship. They keep kicking us and then we keep going back to them and like saying, Please, well, we'll do better next time and we'll help you and this and that. Well what spurned this, I mean the thing that spurned this is the the stuff in Gaza. That's what spurned so much of this people looking at Israel and being like what is going on here?

Right. That's what it broke for the regular American public. I probably was I was definitely not looking at Israel before. The only weird thing that I saw that kind of got my sort of red flags raise was about a year before that, Israel had killed a journalist, an Al Jazeera journalist who was I believe an American Palestinian. And they said, No, it was they were caught in the line of fire or something like that. But then it later came out that yeah, they just executed her.

And I'm like, What what's going on here? This is very bizarre. Like why are they able to just kill journalists without any kind of you know, international condemnation or anything like that without any accountability. So there's something weird going on here. And then October seventh happened and that's when I think everybody started looking in and you do one search and like, oh, this is this is You know.

This is what and Charlie Kirk was one of the first one, like I think two days after he was like, This is one of the you know, why was Why did this even happen? Like was there a stand down order kind of situation? Like how are they even able to come across the border? This is one of the most secure borders in the world.

How did it take them six hours? He's like, it takes 45 minutes to fly from Jerusalem to um the border. Why, why are you, you know, what's going on here? Was there something to then create this? Excuse to then now launch like a counteroffensive, quote unquote counteroffensive, and basically turn Gaza into rebel.

And do you think that that's what happened? What do you feel like about it? Well, I mean, this is based on my conjecture, is that yeah, I do think that What does conjecture mean? Conje conjecture is like just me Um, sort of coming up with a claim without knowing all the information.'Cause of course I'm not in the security briefing room. I'm guessing or whatever. I'm guessing a little bit.

But Asian guessing has got to be better than just regular white guessing, yeah? Some would say that. Like when you guys guess, dude, I bet it's, you know, look, I got pretty I got a pretty good track record of my conjectures. I'll just put it that way. Got it. Um so look, there's no other explanation like why you know it would at most take one hour for them to respond. It took them six hours to respond, doesn't make any sense. So then it's kind of like 9 11. It's like

Some we kinda knew some shit. Like somebody knew something, right? There was like the shorting of the airline stocks. There were people taking insurance out on the building. Somebody knew something. In this situation, it seemed like There were people in the Israeli government who knew that this was about to come and they just kind of let it happen, therefore creating the pretense to then destroy.

Well th there was interesting that there was allegedly plans to d like build buildings and that sort of thing in Gaza years earlier. I don't know if that's true or not, but I h I've heard that somewhere. Allegedly that's the right thing.

Well yeah, it was like let's do the mall over there. We're gonna build a five guys, you know. But who's gonna go eat on top of the big haunted burial site of hundreds of thousands of people? That's what I'm saying. And it's like, do you really want a vacation there with your family? Would you take Your kids it's like oh we're gonna go to you know I mean

I guess good real estate, but what if you're playing on the beach and there's just a bunch of bones in the scene, you know what I'm saying? Like as you know I mean, I wouldn't want to go there. Oh, God. Let's put it that way. Um let's go down some of the rabbit holes, like'cause um the you know, these are things you like to investigate or uh get curious about.

Um let's start with Epstein and the files release. Uh what do you think's happening with the document release?'Cause it seems very odd as a regular guy that we're getting documents, right? They're coming this years later. Both parties have been in pr in uh Democratic and Republican have been in office since then, right? More than ever, it seems like both parties are just the same party with a different name. That's that's that's literally my

Oh yeah, different brands, same ingredients. Oh, that's hilarious. So true. Oh, it's almost like that co colo pepsy war a little bit. That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's great. Um And so it's just an interesting time. And the names that are redacted aren't the names of the victims. It's just like there's so much going on there. What yeah, what do you think about it?

Well, I mean they tried I mean they I don't think they thought these files would ever come out. Neither party. Really? Yeah. I don't think they thought I think they were gonna bury this forever. So you don't think it's a strategic release right now? No, I think right now is like this is what we're gonna offer because they were forced through that vote that Thomas Massey and Roe Connock, big credit to them to have the political courage to keep going. Shout out, bro. I will say that shit. Pull up.

Um but anyway, go on. So take us into some that yeah, what are some of the things that you feel like Yeah, so so you don't think it's strategic? I don't think it's I think this is this is a so you release So so you didn't think it's an effect that they didn't want to do. You didn't want to do this. They didn't want to do this. And so that's why you have all the names of the perpetrators being redacted. Right. They're only supposed to redact the victims' names.

A lot of the perpetrators' names are redacted and now they're forcing them to unredact them. There's a whole process here. But I think this is like here, we'll put something out because we're legally compelled to do it by the vote. Right. It was like passed unanimously. I think there's one person who voted present. And because they were forced. You don't wanna be On the record voting against disclosure, you know, putting pedophiles in jail. Like you don't wanna be that guy.

Or Gal. Right. So then they were all forced to vote for it because they got cause they didn't they did not want that to to get to the House floor or the Senate, but they had to vote for it. Because once it was there, you don't want to be voting against it. Like what you're trying to cover up for billionaire pedophiles? You don't want to be on the record doing that.

So I think this release was a result of that. And in terms of the Epstein stuff, like what we're gonna get into, I I I just wanna say like There are a lot of people that have looked in the Epstein for decades. Like if you wanna bring do a whole episode on Epstein, like you gotta bring in somebody like Whitney Webb or

Julie Brown. You know, she's from the Miami Herald. She's been coming to Epstein since like two thousand five. Yeah, yeah. We're trying to get her in actually. So I'm just preferencing like, hey, we're gonna look into some EC Epstein stuff, but I wanna give credit to like those are the people that are like the Epstein experts. I'm just the regular dude that Looking at the files. Yeah, they've been digging. You just came to kind of till the soil a little. Exactly, exactly. So then

One big thing that I wanted to start out looking at was to answer the big question. Do you remember when Cash Patel went in front of Congress and he said, we have zero evidence that Epstein trafficked any young girls to anybody? A hundred percent. Right. And everybody was like, what?

How is that possible? You were railing about the Epstein files for years, and now you go in and say you found nothing. And so that was one of the first things like, hey, do we have do you want to play that first? And this is my buy to Louisiana right here. Shout out. You've seen most of the files. Uh who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young young women to besides himself? Himself. There is no credible

None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the in information we have again is limited. So the answer is no one. For the information that we have. Yeah. All right. Dude, I believe I'm not joking. I there's people that s that say that they created like a fake office and everything.

For Patel and we're dis and we're only giving him certain information. Oh, so he didn't see the stuff that was So well he even what he said, if you listen there from this limited he said did he say limited stuff I've seen or from what I've seen, which has been limited? So who knows if he even saw everything?

Right. So he's well, you're saying that somebody's even hiding something from him. That means that another person above shadow figure that's right. Like he goes into an office and has this perception that everything is a certain way. And it's he doesn't it's not He doesn't know. So then of course he's gonna show up and he what he's saying is the truth to him. Right? Because he even said from a limited, what did he say, Nick?

For the information that we have Well, but he's denoting that's you know what I'm saying from the information that we have. I bet he didn't even see all this stuff. Well, I I bet he saw some of the'cause the the stuff that has been released, some say it's half, some say the Channel Four news in the UK say it's two percent of what the the total is. We don't know what the real number is.

But so I so one of the things I wanna look at is is there anything in the in the files that suggests that Epstein traffic young girls to other people, other than himself, right? That's a big question that we should all have answered. And I'm not even look so there's there's within the files there's the emails, right? Between Epstein and a bunch of other people. But there's also like FBI tip stuff where people are saying crazy that this is where you see a lot of the Trump stuff is like people

Calling the tip line saying, I saw Trump do this, I saw Trump do that. So I'm I'm like removing that stuff. I'm just going off the emails to say, look, does it look like? And there's one email chain between Epstein and Steve Tish. And Steve Tish is the owner of the New York Giants. Is he really? Yeah. Shout out Jackson Dart. And so go go so let's start at the bottom because this is the let's do it in chronological order, right? Okay.

I don't know if you want to read or you want me to read it. Um you be I'll be uh I don't know who to be. I'll be I guess I'll be Tish. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Okay. Uh and you be epsing. Yeah. Uh hi Jeffrey. I just had lunch with your assistant's friend, Blank, who I met at your house Wednesday morning. Very sweet girl. Do you know anything about her? Thanks, Steve.

And then Epstein says, no, but I will ask Blank, all confidential. I will get all info. Did you contact the great fake ass tit blank? She's a character short term, has an older boyfriend going to acting school, a 10 ass. I am happy to have you as a new but obviously shared interest friend. Hmm. Thanks, Jeffrey. Curious to know about Redacted. I will contact Redacted, pro or civilian.

So that probably means sex worker or just a regular non sex worker. Right. And s and then the next thing is send me a number to call. I don't like records of these conversations, obviously. Oh, 310-779-8969. I wonder if I already have it in my phone. Dude, if I already have it in my phone, bro, somebody's gonna win a winter coat. That's what we're giving away this year, dude. If they allow us to have it. Is this stupid that I'm looking?

709-8969. If you call, tell them we're live to tape. Okay. Nope. Nothing. Okay. Close call. Okay, sorry. Um so then Tish writes three one oh seven seven nine eight nine six nine. I've reached out to Blank, she's not on this trip. Okay. Um. And this is Epstein. Report Justin. You did very well. She wants to go to the play. She's a little freaked out by the age difference, but go slow and wait. I will try to convince her not to return to Ukraine, having her crying work.

Okay. Nice report. Funny comment on crying. So trying to seem like he's not involved totally. Well, I don't know. It seems like okay, so I mean it's a little bit disturbing with the crying. It's like what what why were you having her cry? Like was it some pressure involved?

Right, but it could have just been that she was upset about something as well. Could have been, yes. There are I guess innocent explanations for this. But at the very least, this looks like he's trafficking somebody to somebody else. Is this the subject line is Ukrainian girl? Oh that's a good point. That's a good point. So it doesn't say that she's an adult in this, it says that she's younger.

It doesn't say the age. Got it. But it says she's young. Got it. But she says she has a boyfriend at some point too, but that could still be anything. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not defending. I'm just trying to look at things openly. Um okay, so you're saying that this justifies some form of Well I think it justifies some form of investigation.

At the very least. Like you should look into what the hell this was. Got it. And is it being investigated? I don't know for sure. I think the NFL hasn't done anything yet. There are people who are journalists writing articles who said this should be looked at. Like I think Steve Tish.

you know, should be investigated.'Cause there's probably'cause you imagine this is just an email and then in that email it says, I don't like talking about this over email. So there's probably more conversations that are not documented. Yeah.

Yeah, and also I mean, watch'em just end up making'em s kick off from the five yard line or something like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like things are so merged and weird these days. Who knows? So so I think there's some other some other emails that I sent to Zach that was like evidence of this kind of thing. Um there were can we look at some of those? Here we go. Some other ones here. Yeah, let's look at some other ones here. Organize blank place for you blank each girl.

Nice, we'll do. So this seems like he's organizing Some meetup with some women with this redacted person. We don't know who that is. Got it. Right. So this isn't I feel like this isn't to me, from the outside looking in,'cause you're obviously not gonna write in there, yes, I am trafficking young girls to you, ages five to you know, you're not gonna say that. You're gonna probably be a little bit more for sure subtle about it.

Do you know any girls that are into girls who might be into me? And that's from someone to Epstein. Going to dancing again starting Tuesday. Let me know if you are in town next week and I'll try to see if some of the girls are interested. And what does dancing mean? Any news? Oh, I see what you're saying. Going to be dancing again starting Thursday. So to me these are just, you know, cursory searches from a a nobody. I'm just like, hey

Is there something here? It seems like at the very least there should be some investigation happening. I mean, you're seeing in other countries people are getting arrested. Like Prince Andrew's getting arrested, Lord Mendelssohn just got arrested. Lord Mendelssohn did? Yeah. Oh my God. In Canada. Who is it? Who is Lord Mendelssohn? He's like some British, you know Peter Mendelssohn. Peter sorry, yeah. Peter Lord Mendelssohn. The British are popping off on'em, huh?

Watch him get Paddington Bear for something, dude. He always looked a little Suspicious, you know Um, w what are some of the other most suspicious things that you've seen from the Epstein files? Well so the other thing that I wanted to look into too was the the m the big conspiracy is like, oh Epstein was running a blackmail operation, he's a spy.

Running a blackmail operation on behalf of Israel, right? You probably heard that. Yes. Do you think he was a spy, or do you think he was just a guy that was like, you know, obviously perverted pedophile type of dude who was just like you know, oh just a bad dude into some dark shit. Well for well who had a lot of money. He was definitely a spy. I mean if you could pull up he was issued in the eighties an Austrian passport.

So I don't know how you can get an Austrian passport. Well, this is a f okay, so fake Austrian passport, right? So you have his name, go uh go up there to the top, right? Maurius Roberts, look at him. Right. So then how do you get one of these things? Marius Robert was his name? First of all, that's cultural appropriation. I'm gonna go ahead and say that right now, bro. Shout out all the real Mariuses out there. Um

And he said he was Saudi Arabian. Yeah. This is a real passport that was used. So it's it's fake in the sense that Epstein obviously was not Austrian. Right. So he got a passport from somebody. He got a passport from somebody in the 1980s. And this is before he even met Les Wex.

Okay. And um so to me, this is some indication that okay, so he maybe was tied up with the State Department or intelligence, right? He was an asset of some sort that they wanted to issue this to so you could travel around Europe.

using an alias. Right. There couldn't have been a thousand, uh a hundred different versions of him. Right. And he's one that over time just worked well enough, you know, that or that had enough success. I think that's, you know,'cause with anything you do like a C kind of program, you would like

Let's see, you know, yeah. Let's see what's going on here. Well, so f based on my historical, cursory historical knowledge, this is done by the CIA. So the nineteen seventies there was a thing called the church committee. Have you looked into the church committee at all? But that's when all the crazy shit came out with like Cointel Pro and MK Ultra where they basically uh expose the CIA for all these covert operations, regime change in in the in the Middle East and Iran. All this stuff came out.

Cause prior to the 1970s, the CIA would be just doing this stuff. They would just on CIA records, they're doing this stuff. And then after the church committee, they basically had to go through. various channels of like mobsters or like CD characters in order to still continue to do what they do. I see, but have it off the books. Have it off the books. So then they they need guys like Epstein to carry out some of the stuff who's not officially

A CIA agent. Before they just had agents going out. Was that just cov was that coming out of Vietnam that that energy just started to change things kind of? I'm trying I'm I'm not sure. I think it was like the JFK assassination was a big thing, right? Everybody was like, This is really bizarre. Like, how did this happen? There was the bullets that went in these three directions, and then there was

You know, the RFK assassination was also very bizarre. MLK, if you looked into every single one of those, they're all very weird. I think people started losing trust in the American government. And then on top of that, you had this massive war in a r uh in in Vietnam, like you were saying. So then Then there was that political will to like

Hey, we need to expose sim similar right now. I think with Epstein's like, hey, we need to expose some of these billionaires that are running the country. Right? It's gone too far, right? It's not like

You know, we're supporting Israel, but like we're still building nice bridges and we're fixing the roads and the hospitals. It's like if they did some I mean, th this is a little bit cynical, but if they did some of that stuff, I think people would probably pay less attention to Israel. Like they'd be like, Okay, sure, whatever, do that over there. Why don't they do that stuff in addition to it, then I wonder.

That's the big question. It's like why I think it's because everything is so this is my take. We go into business school, just my background, is everything is so. Like siloed in the sense that you're only thinking about your own company. So it's like, I just want to maximize everything for myself. So they're not really thinking about the collective. Like, hey, if we do this.

in conjunction with everybody else, like we could, you know, take over the world. There's just like everybody's kind of getting their own piece of the pie. They're trying to just get their cut. And there's not there's like I think there's like less collaboration. than people think in terms of the conspiracy world. But there's a lot of various conspiracies out there that are very real. That's my take. Um as a normie. Yeah.

Do you you mentioned Le Lex Wexner is the guy's name? So Les Wexner, so he was the Who is he? He is the billionaire owner of L brand. So he owned a bunch of retail um Stores like Victoria Secret, Abercombian Fitch, Bath and Body Works. And he uh signed over. So this is his

Because everybody so that's when Epstein like went to another level. But then he was actually just deposed because he didn't speak about Epstein for a very, very long time. He all he said was, I regret my association with with Epstein. And he didn't say nothing much. Like he just recently got deposed. Bye.

um by the US Congress. And he gave this long, I think it was like six hours, but there's some cr really interesting clips that came out of it. Cause they people asked him, like, why did you trust Jeffrey Epstein with all your money?'Cause he literally signed over power of attorney of his entire financial Is that true? Over to him. Yeah.

And people were asking, why, you know, what gave you the confidence that you could trust? It's like, did you cause you like, did you how did you meet him? He's like, Oh, I was introduced by a friend of mine. And then so like what what did he tell you that he did to like have you give over basically control of all of your money? And he and he said that Epstein was working as the for the Rothschilds as their money manager.

So I'm like, this is even before Wesner uh Wexner, which is where we think he got all his money. So even before that, somehow Jeffrey Epstein, like a high school math teacher, was was uh working For the Rothschilds? Like how did that happen? Yeah. Which is then to me it's like back to the spy thing. It's like, was he some sort of intelligence asset that was positioned within these, you know, people who are pulling the strings, like powerful families, institutions around the world.

That's that's my hypothesis around it. Got it. So that's who th so that's who he is. And we don't know any crimes that he did. He's just associated with them, right? There's no accusations against this mister Wexner, is there? I don't think there's any specific accusation. I do know y there's a famous documentary that came out where the CEO of Abercrombie. was using Abercrombie to recruit young men into prostitution.

Oh really? Yeah. The CEO was of Abercrombie, pull that up. Yeah, Mike Jeffries. Yeah, let's get again at him. Mike Jeffries, sex trafficking. Yeah. Yeah, right here. Former Abercrombie and Fitch CEO charged with operating sex trafficking ring. Mike Jeffries, former CEO of US clothing company Abercrombie, and Fitch has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking and interstate prostitution following weeks of speculation or validation of professional misconduct.

Um Jeffrey's romantic partner Matthew Smith, who is also a man, and Association James Jacobson were arrested for alleged role in the Enterprise. Huh? Did they ever convict him or was it just alleged? I think he's in jail. I don't let me see. Uh US attorney Breon Pierce said powerful individuals for too long have trafficked and abused for their own sexual pleasure young people with few resources. Is he in jail? I'm very curious if he's in jail. But where is it? This is a perplexity question.

It is, huh? Leave this open and scroll down for a little bit and go look at perplexity separately so I can keep reading. Just wanna see what they're it describes sexual botanales spanning from New York to Morocco, in which a recruited men were given drugs, lubricants, condoms, costumes, and sometimes erection inducing penile injections.

That cause painful hours long reactions. Boners probably. Oh. I looked it up. He's not in jail. He's uh set to go on trial. They just found that he's fit to stand trial. This was in December. Oh. They're trying to go with the insanity plea. Well, I mean that's It's not ideal. I mean, yeah, so he's set to go on trial. So the thing about Wesner, uh W Wexner, I keep it Les Wexner, hard to say his name. Les Wexner is that he's also involved in that whole Israeli Zionist, you know, money.

moving operation from Israel to the United States back and forth to support various Zionist causes. Like he's one of the big funders of the birthright trips to Israel, right? I don't know how much you know about that, but I've talked to a few people the purpose of that they they're they're describing like that's another crazy sex party type of thing where they get

I never heard that. I have heard that. Um Yeah. And there's this one as well. Epcene, yeah, it's Israel and the CIA, how the Iran contraplanes landed at Les Wexner's base. So they're running some kind of CIA operation using Wexner's airport in Ohio and Jeffrey Epstein was facilitating something within there. Very complicated, but it's like, okay, so these guys are not just

Normal people. Got it. So we're saying that that guy is an example of somebody that worked under Lex Wexner at one of his companies. Well, that Les Wexner hired him to run Abercrombie. Got it. Um who is Howard Lutnick? That's a name that you that you hear a lot. Well Howard Lutnick is the commerce

um secretary right now. Okay. The commerce secretary. You're not US Commerce? Yes. Okay. And he was on record. He gave this whole melodramatic interview where he said he lived right next door to Jeffrey Epstein, by the way, literally next door neighbors. Nine and eleven. That'll come back later. Uh uh East East 72nd Street. 911. Yeah. So he was right next door to Jeffrey Epstein and he was asked.

You know, what was your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? And he said, Well, I went over to his house once with my wife. I saw a massage table on the counter. I turned, I was like, Oh, what is this disgusting man? And we left immediately. We never spoke to him. I was never in another room with him ever again because this is a disgusting human being. And then the emails come out and there's like all kinds of correspondences with um with Jeffrey Epstein.

About like visiting the island. There's emails about them investing in a company together. So they were very much closer than. He let on. Then Lutnik let on Yeah. So he just basically straight up bold faced lie to the American people. So is he being held on charges or anything? No, but he should be held on charges for another thing, which he just did the other day, which is you know the Trump tariff.

Right. They just voted against him. SCOTUS just voted against him, right? So then he was out there publicly telling the American people prior to the SCOTUS voting, saying, Oh yeah, I think SCOTUS will side with President Trump on this one. But his firm that's run by his sons now

was like shorting these tariffs. Basically they're buying insurance against the tariffs. Where were they doing that? Like on some of these like uh polymarket sites and stuff like that? No, it's through some kind of financial instrument that's way more complex than I could probably explain.

So Howard Lutnick's family firm bought up the rights to tariff refunds for twenty to thirty cents on the dollar after Liberation Day last year. Today the Supreme Court struck the tariffs down for every hundred dollars invested. Lutnik's sons just made three to 5X, welcome to Crony Corruption America. So that's like inside I mean that's just classic insider trading. He's basically take he probably knew that they weren't gonna

Right. But he says that he says on on T V saying, Oh no, I think they're gonna side with the ML. Allegedly. Allegedly, yes. Well well yes. I don't feel like I use that word enough today. So if yeah.

Um but he there's another connection with him and nine eleven. So he was profiting off of Trump's tariffs. Yes. Right. So then allegedly he would have known then the that the Supreme Court was gonna do that. And then so he's trade so then he basically he's creating buzz in one direction, but then he's trading in the opposite direction. Right,'cause if he felt that they were going to

um vote in favor of President Trump, why would he be executing the trades on the opposite side? Right. Doesn't make sense. Unless you're not. It doesn't make sense. Right. So th that's classic insider trading. Yeah. But i that's the thing about the like so many people like look at the leaky faucet and they're like, who's causing this leaky faucet? But what they don't realize is The true players

Is the or the people that bought the stream up Yeah. F up from the city, up from the water department, and they're doing things there that eventually years later will cause the leaky faucet. And they've set up all these businesses and things along the way. Some people don't realize the strategy sometimes that goes into things, right? Absolutely. Well he is the so there's there's some crazy we gotta get into that because he is the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald. Which is

They were the tenant of a you know, I think floor one oh five to one hundred seven in the World Trade Center building. Okay. And he Did not go to work that day because his wife, this is Trump said this last week. There's a clip of him trying to like, hey, your wife begged you not to go to work that day. You never missed a day of work in 20 years. Aren't you glad that you didn't go to work that so he like most of his employees died?

And then he did this whole thing where I don't know if you wanna play this clip or I could just talk through some of the stuff where he basically took all the insurance so they the company was paid insurance money. from the airlines and then he pocketed most of that money instead of giving it to the employees. Yes. Really? Then you get past okay, so it's like, did he know something? Like what was going on? So play play this clip though, the the clip that I sent um Zach.

There's a lady, like how he got his home right next to Epstein, it's it's insane. Tell me what are the odds that the notary to the deed of what was both Epstein and Howard Lutnick's property at 11 East 71st Street? Because yes, Epstein owned that property before Lettnick's. that property. It was transferred to Epstein for just ten dollars in nineteen ninety two. Epstein passed the deed to a comet trust in nineteen ninety six again for just ten dollars, of which a Guido Goldman was

A trustee, the son of one of the founders of the World Jewish Congress, and then it was passed to Lutnik in nineteen ninety-six for again just ten dollars. Who notarized The deed transferring this property from Jeffrey Epstein to the Comet Trust in 1996, a Gary Pollard. At Gary Pollard just so happened to be in the perfect spot at the perfect time to record the perfect shot of the South Tower collapsing. On september eleventh, two thousand and one.

Is it just a weird coincidence that Jeffrey Epstein and Howard Lutnick owned nine eleven East Seventy First Street? I mean, kudos to her. She's like digging up like fucking documents. Yeah, she's petting a cat too at the same time. Yeah. Which heavily reminds you of the person from Inspector Gadget. Remember that guy? Well, I I've never seen Inspector Gadget. Was it Inspector Gadget the bad guy or the person who was like the dark guy who'd always be petting the cat?

get this property in the first place, right next to Jeffrey Epstein. There's some kind of collusive action taking place here. There's something shady happening behind the scenes. Obviously all coincidences, as she's saying. Yeah. But it should be examined a little bit further, especially with the context that if you look somebody somebody like

did timestamps and all the emails that were in the Epstein files. And there's like a huge chunk that's like missing between nineteen ninety nine and two thousand one. That's like all Not there. So it's like, was something and Ghlaine Maxwell's also asked to be on the 9-11 Shadow Commission. Like why was she asked to be on the 9-11 Shadow Commission? Like, did she snow some stuff? Like they she was reached out to. She said no. So like it seemed like they knew. It's like, yeah, here it is.

Uh this is from at Chris Martinson. Um it's just a complete coincidence that the DOJ has completely withheld all the Epstein documents immediately before, during, and after 9-11. Is that right? Wow, the gap. 25,000 missing serial numbers. I mean, how much do you believe we we talked about this a little bit earlier? Like that some things feel like theater, right? It almost feels like like you hear all these things that like,

The uh the the Simpsons and they predicted this and every week now it's like it was written here and it look at this. Yeah. Do you believe? And then it starts to like, what do you believe about that? Like how much of the like stuff like this? Like they lived at nine and eleven and this one next door. Do you think any of that's real? Or we're all just reading into this stuff? Have you seen enough things where you're like,

There could be something here. I think so okay, so I think some of it is coincidence. But some of it is like predictive programming in that they want so for example, the top gun example I would say is they want the American comf uh public comfortable with this kind of attack, this style of attack. It's gonna be awesome. Look how great the firefighters w are sorry, not the the fighter jet pilots are going in, bombing the uranium site, pulling out great stunt.

So that top gun was in Iran. That's where that happened. It was a uranium site in Iran. That was yeah. So you're saying let's put it in a movie before we do it so that it'll feel more comfortable to people. Exactly. So some of that stuff I think is predictive programming where they do that. Some of the stuff is coincidence and then some of the stuff I think is like full

psyop stuff where they try to get you distracted with another issue so they can maybe brush this real stuff. Cause I do believe the FCN stuff is real stuff. Like this is like there's real crimes taking place behind the scenes. Like people should be investigated. All that stuff. So if you I'll give you an example which which

Maybe controversial, maybe not. But like I for example, I think the ice riots are a little bit of a psyop. Yeah. Like that stuff is I don't know how many, you know, how much you've talked about that, but like I think it's purposely created.

to be a divisive issue. It reminds me of the stuff of the Portland, like in the park, those Antifa in the park riots and stuff. And you had Renaissance fair people battling Bernie Sanders activists and some of that shit. And it was like, what the hell is even you know, is Star Wars versus Game of Thrones characters, someone we can like, what is even happening here?

Um, I could see some of that because there was there's videos of them like finding a guy who like started up like un put like a Moltoff cocktail on the street or something. And they follow him and like who are you know, interviewing and the guys like. obviously was just stopping by to do this, not really involved. I could s I think there's more of that that happens than we even know, right? I think a lot of the videos you see, like, oh look at this. This seems real.

But you don't realize somebody could stage that, put the video out, or it could be AI, and you don't even know. Right. And they particularly pick this issue where there's like no it's not gonna be any

agreement because immigration is one of those issues like abortion. There's really not a right answer. It's like based on your morality. Like some, you know, like some countries are great. Like Japan's great'cause they're all Japanese. They have their own customs and cultures really cool or Scotland or whatever.

America just happens to be like kind of a melting pot. That's kind of what we're known for. But there's no like right answer to like the amount of immigration you should have. So they pick this issue that nobody can really come together on. Right. And then they send people on the streets. Cause I'm like thinking, why aren't you sending people on the streets for like Epstein? Why aren't you sending people on the streets for like Spraying pesticides in all our food.

Why is that? Because that's a unifying issue. People will will actually demand something out of it. This is like, there's no answer. Cause you could look at the same video. This happened with the Renee Good and the other guy, Alex Pretti, right? People look in the same video and they're seeing different things. And they're like, oh, perfect.

Let's amplify this more. Let's send more people out there. And now also they create because I think this there's something weird happening here where I don't think Trump is that serious about deporting people because There's like a business interest to like keeping them here because you have like depressed wages. A lot of them work in hospitality, a lot of them work in farm.

And Trump said, oh, those are exempt. I'm like, well, those are where all their well, those are where all a lot of illegal immigrants are at. So why aren't you doing that? Well, because your donors don't want you to do that. So then you create this nice show for people, a show of force on the streets.

I think the MAGA people really love the ICE agents going out there and and and having that presence. It it gets them fired up. And then on the other side, then the Democrats are sending their people on the streets and all of a sudden both sides have created sort of a a pretense to like now oh we gotta surveil people. We gotta do a police state. And so you get the best of everything. You get you still get the indentured slavery for the for the corporations. Now you have

Chaos in the streets, so then you could bring about like the Palantir mass surveillance stuff. Yeah. So that's the big thing I see. Yeah. For me, I believe that even even like well, it's also funny that one political party lets a ton of people in, the next and they're the bad guys. And then the next political party is uh um they're the ones who are trying to get everybody out and they're the they're the bad guys, right? It's like

Don't you see that though we're just watching the show? Like don't you realize that at a certain point you're just watching That's what I've been trying to get people to wake up. I've been shit on for the ice thing'cause I I have cause my audience is like pretty split'cause I a lot of times I focus just on corruption and just

You know, this guy's doing something bad. I don't really do like party politics and stuff like that. So I have people on both sides, depending on the issue, because I went hard. At the COVID issue, which is like a right-leaning issue, right? W against the vaccines. I'm like these pharmaceutical companies very corrupt, and that's a right-leaning issue. But then there's other issues that like,

people side with more on the left, which is like the pro-Palestine stuff, anti-Israel, that's like more of a left issue. So then in the and so then whenever I comment on something that's like really I think um divisive. Like I get hate on both sides. I've been called like a communist and uh, you know,

Uh uh also like a Lib Tard to like right wing Nazi, like every But if you're getting called both things, you're probably doing a good job, I think. So a I've been called everything, like a C C P spy, which obviously, you know, uh you know, I'm gonna f it a couple times and wiggle. Well You know. Well, I think once you're in the game long enough, you you it's not it's not possible to not be hated by somebody. Yeah. I think it's like

Yeah, then you're probably doing something right, I feel like, you know. And you just have to do your best. It's like you don't know what the fuck you're doing. But neither do those guys that have wearing the suits and everything. That's my thing. It's like those guys don't know what the fuck they're doing either. They just look like they know what they're doing. And I'm very open. It's like, hey

I'm just giving you as I see. Like I'm I'm reading one chapter ahead. My job is to like inform you of what I found and then you could take that for what it's well. I mean, that's like I think that's the tied back to what we talked about in the beginning. It's like that's the role of a teacher. It's like I'm trying to just give you information.

And then I hopefully that inspires you to do something that you want to do, right? A teacher's not supposed to say, hey, you need to become X, Y, and Z in your life. It's to give you information to then

sort of let you then go out there and explore the world that can inspire you to do something else. That's what I get from your content. It's just like um, you know, when I see stuff it's like, that's interesting, you know, or that, hmm, that's curious, you know. I think I just get a curiosity about it.

And uh and this is kind of one of the first times where media has been open to be able to kind of say what they want. Like media has been vastly kind of controlled by a couple of corporations over the past Fifty years, a hundred years maybe?

Yeah. And you're gonna see it co-opting. They're gonna try to co-opt people like myself. I'm already seeing it happen, right? Because they now they can get people to say exactly what they've said in mainstream media, but then through the lens of like a TikToker who's just wearing regular clothes. So you're gonna see that battle, like an information warfare will continue.

And it's that's why for me I've always stayed very, very, you know, diligent about making sure that I'm not taking money for anybody that I don't wanna you know, like I'm basically fully independent. I wanna say that's why I got in the game. Like I could have made a lot more money doing consulting work. That was easy, you know, straightforward. But here, you know, I'm I'm just hopefully here on like more of like a spiritual mission, you know.

Yeah. Well, I think I mean you want to live like if if if Earth exists and we're all gonna live here and America was this thing that you believe in or that you knew your grandparents believe in, a lot of people are like, You know, I'm trying to uh believe in what America stands for, the best parts of it, the most moral parts of it.

or that being a human stands for because like, you know, I had a family member that died for these goals, or I had a family member that, you know, who sacrificed their life to work here in this country under these rules so that I could go to school in a place that was You know, free democratic I think people just want to have a life, they want to have a chance to live.

and their children to do so. And if you start to think that there's all these dark controlling forces out there, um, which mostly are probably elites and people that are like extreme capitalists or power hungry, uh, that's very scary. And you start to realize, oh, there is a there is a battle of good and evil at a certain point. Absolutely. You know. And that we're in that maybe.

You know, sometimes you don't wanna think like, hey, maybe I'm a character in something, you know? But maybe you are, you know. Maybe this is a battle of good and evil and you are You were supposed to have a role in it. Not you know, you and everybody. You know what's like

Um sometimes we sit at home, we're like, man, I wish I'd have been picked to be like a hero or something. And it's like, maybe you gotta fucking tap yourself on the shoulder. You know what I'm saying? Because I do feel like life is a bad, I I do feel like there's there's good and evil in the world right now. And um I don't know how it plays out.

Uh, but it's feels scary and it feels alarming and I just feel like a lot of people feel that. Yeah. I mean I the the I completely agree with you and I would I would just, you know, to

kind of spin it on a positive note. There's a lot of times through history. I I don't think we're living through like the worst of times by any stretch of the imagination. I think I think it could feel that way sometimes with maybe social media and things like that. Right. But but I think there even in dark times, like people really struggling at there. I think there could Definitely can be happiness found in dark times. Oh yeah.

There you go. So Well, I notice for sure it's like if I need to like if I want to get my head out of like some of the rabbit holes, because your algorithm will take you down some crazy it'll take you down some spots where it just repeats information.

And you can feel little bits of indoctrination coming in. You know, you feel the fucking, you can smell a little s indoctrination smoke sometimes. You're like, I gotta quit doing this. Um, but if you separate yourself from your phone sometimes and any and any of the things that are kind of edgier in the world or d or darker in the world, then things get light again pretty quick, I feel like.

I think so. I mean, yeah, you have to like step away from this kind of stuff from time to time. It's like you know your own body better than everybody else. If you think you need to turn it off, you gotta turn it off. And that's why I try to do that with some of my content is like The the natural path, if you start looking down these like conspiracies, is it get darker and darker. Right. And some people are okay with that. For me, it's like I still want to provide

videos for people where they could still take action. Right. Cause some of those things like, okay, some some there's some like dark lizard family that's running, you know, running the world. Like there's nothing you could really do about that. But if I give you information on like, hey, Amazon ring cameras.

are like spying on your family through this old dog thing that at the Super Bowl, like you should probably get rid of your ring camera. That's something that you can actually do. It's like I don't want to be a part of that ring camera thing. So I'm Do you feel like they're doing that? Yeah. They are. They well they they were connected w to the um to that company flop.

We're just giving the the footage. Exactly to the police. And they thought the dog video would work. They honestly did because I looked into it and they thought the dog video was a good video. There was this whole PR campaign pre-Super Bowl, but then people saw that. weird thing in the Super Bowl with all the lights going out. And it's like, whoa, hold on a second. And they said 10 million dogs are lost a year. This is going to find 300 dogs. A year of like three hundred out of ten million dogs.

That I don't think that's a worthy trade off for Right. It seems like a scam. It seems like a scam. So then that is a video like that that video went decently viral. And I think that's something that people can can gravitate to because they could actually do something about that. Right.

And that's why like I'm trying to play sort of a align with my editorialization, which yeah, some videos are gonna be about more of the conspiracy digs, but some of it's gonna be things that you can do something about, right? It's like what bank.

are good, one banks are bad. Like you can choose your bank. Right. You're right. You can't choose like, you know, whether we're gonna bomb Iran tomorrow or not. That's something that's totally out of your control. Right. Yeah, I agree. And it like keeping stuff that's in your control. What is a good bank, man?

What is a good bank? I mean, I'm not I mean, I d I don't I mean local bank. Honestly, like credit unions that are in your local community, like small regional banks are probably the best banks because they still

They're tied to the community and they're not some kind of giant conglomerate like JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, that kind of thing. So that's what I would look for in terms of like who you should go with. There's some like new fintech stuff. I'm making a video about this company named Chime, which has been sponsoring a lot of um

content creators that are like, you know, the the the the ones that are all about like giving money. That they find some homeless person, they're like, oh, let me, you know, help you out for the day, that kind of thing. Like really like heartwarming content, but it's like sponsored by Chime, which is like

a pretty nefarious. I I I don't have all the information quite yet'cause I'm still starting to dig, but it's like, oh, this is seems like kind of a semi scam that you're running here. But then you're you're advertising through all these good content creators that are making heartwarming content. So it seems like That's kind of a little bit more.

You know, there's a little bit of susness to that. Well maybe sort of trying to rebrand themselves too, you know. It could be fintech. It's it's a new company. Interesting. So that's something I still digging into. Allegedly, you know, I'm not Not insinuating that they've committed crimes or anything like that, but I just think that people, those are things that people should know. It's like, oh, because they could see that video and like, oh, I should sign up for Chime.

To do my banking. Right. But then they could be can take taken advantage of because they're not under the regular, you know, FDIC protection, all the regular banking authorities, because they're outside of that. Got it.

So that's that's the kind of stuff that it's a it's like a bit a bit of a balance for me of of digging into conspiracies, digging so I'm I'm like a very much like a generalist in that sense of like maybe it's just like my brain, like ADD, ADHD kind of thing. I'm not diagnosed or anything like that, but I

I see something I was like, Oh yeah, I'm gonna do that for a little bit and then I'm like, Oh, I gotta stay on this. But then something else has caught my eye. So that's a little bit of a weakness of mine, but also could be a strength in that I do videos about a lot of different things. Yeah.

Well I think we gotta have a gopher. You gotta have something that goes in there and digs over here and like, you know, eat chews on this vegetable and then goes over there for a radish and then goes underground and looks at the roots, you know. I think that the That's something we need more than ever. And it's um and it's interesting and uh and it's just freelance. It's like, you know, you're trying your best to work in freelance.

Fifty one forty nine, that's your podcast. How often is it out? And do you still have you have a co host on it? So yeah, so I do a show called fifty one forty nine. That's when I do more of like the investigative digs on my YouTube channel. Okay. And I also host a show called the Today Itch Podcast with my co host Danny Love. And we

That's sort of like more of like a fun podcast where we're just having conversations about like what went on during the week. She's like much more of like a tin head than I am. So she's you know, I'm having a conversation. I'm like talking about Peter Thiel, Palantir. You know, they're taking over. Um you know, surveillance and then she'd be like, I think Peter Thiel's a lizard.

Right. And I'm like, okay, all right, cool. So then so she we we she gets a little bit more weird than I do. But it's like a fun dynamic with like you're trying we're trying to give you like important stuff, but like packaged in more of like a fun and lighthearted way.

Um, so I also do that show called It Today. So it's more of like a two-hour live podcast that we do every single week. And then if you want the digs, that's on my channel 5149 James Lee. You could also find me on Instagram still as well as Facebook. R IP to the TikTok. Then we'll get you back on there, huh? No, not uh not as not as of right now. I think they're they're fully

under the the Israeli regime at the moment. Do you think so, huh? Yeah. I know, yeah. A lot of our stuff got shadow ban on there. It seems like we've had stuff go down. But you you can't they can't ban you because you're so big, right?'Cause me, I was You know, I think I was around 300,000 followers. So I was like, my some of my videos would be popping up into the millions, but I'm not so big, it's like, oh

James Lee is is deleted, like there's gonna be a huge outroar. Like if you got deleted off of TikTok, there'd probably be a huge huge backlash. So I'm in that per like perfect place, like, let's get rid of this guy'cause he has enough influence it's pissing us off, but he's not so big that we have they they find other ways to deal with I think bigger people. Like from my heart, this guy, um

Guy Christensen, he goes by your favorite guy on TikTok. So they basically say they just demonetize him or they'll do like weird shadow banning stuff where he still has his account, but they limit the reach in other ways. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that happens, man. I think it happens a lot. Um

James Lee, thanks for coming in, man. I'm sorry we got caught up on time. You know, I gotta get to the airport. Uh so that's reason why we're kind of caught up on time. Thank you for, you know, giving me a a chance to like speak. Yeah, dude. Well it's the truth, things like that. Or my truth at the very least. I'm just trying to help I ultimately I'm just trying to to hopefully provide like a voice out there that people can

you know, can maybe turn to maybe they don't like me, then you can go watch something else. But like at least provide that media alternative. to what's going on with the world, you know? Yeah. Well, we've always been able to be curious. I mean, it would be wild if we couldn't be. Um, and I think more than ever it's like, yeah, there's uh yeah, people are trying to figure things out and just want to feel okay, you know? Um, James Lee, thank you so much, man. How we doing, brother?