Thank you . Medicines and the impact they've made among the countless psychonauts exploring the last true frontier . Buy a ticket and take the ride with me as we get true firsthand accounts of the experiences , benefits , risks and transformations taking place within the ever-expanding world of psychedelic medicines .
On this One Time on Psychedelics , as you guys may have heard on my episode 200 solo cast last week , my favorite part of this podcast is meeting individuals that once I meet , I truly have no idea how I've gone my whole life not knowing .
The truth is that the relationships in our life are designed to act as mirrors , allowing us to see the beauty in individuality and also to see ourselves in ways we otherwise couldn't .
Today's guest on the show is a man who fits all the aforementioned details to a T he is a certified psychedelic medicine practitioner , is a microdose and psilocifer great pun , by the way and is the founder of Entheosolistics , which is a company dedicated to reconnecting its customers and clients to their grateful nature through fungi-based nutraceutical microdoses .
In this episode , we let the divine take the lead , and our intention is that this episode opens you up to some new perspectives and leaves you feeling more connected to your higher self than ever before . So please give me a big hand in welcoming my man , austin West , onto the show . Austin West , my man , dude , am I excited to be here with you today .
You know , as I mentioned in the intro , austin and I have a lot of common shared interests . You know we were just talking off record about crypto and you know the taxes are voluntary movement , the sovereignty movement , all these kind of things , man .
So I know we're going to get into a lot of juicy stuff in this episode , but first , man , how you doing today ? So grateful to be here with you , man .
I'm doing so . Great brother , Appreciate you having me on Heck yeah , dude , me too .
So , bro , you know I'm curious for you , right . How does someone like yourself first get interested in the psychedelic world Because you were sharing with me , you're in finance , or you were sharing with me , you're in finance , or you were in finance for a long time .
And typically what I find is that people that resonate with finance , math , etc , like typically they're not the people that are like oh , I love psychedelics when they're like 16 , right , it's usually the painters and musicians , etc . So like , was that the case for you ? Did that come later on in life ? Was it something you were open to ?
I love hearing this part of everyone's journey , man , it's so fun yeah , I , when you mentioned being 16 , I was definitely one of the finance bros doing a bunch of coke at 16 . I wasn't in the psychedelic field at that time . Yeah , psychedelics kind of found me on an accidental , was not expecting it .
I was even deterrent of it when it was first offered to me , which is hilarious , thinking about all the times I would snort anything out of anybody's hand , from any bag , from any stranger . I remember memories of being in Vegas just looking around a room for somebody that looked like they're rolling just to go buy a pill off them . Right , it's like it's wild .
And then I remember the first time I was offered mushrooms . I was heading to the beach . I was living in San Diego at the time . We're going to the beach with a bunch of my friends , and these are the same friends that I would get blacked out drunk with three days a week , you know , just living that numb life .
And one of my buddies offered me a mushroom chocolate and I remember being really resistant . I'm like , ah , dude , no , I heard . Those things kind of make you lose your mind . I'm good man , I'll stick to the alcohol . And after some pushing , I mean I'd lived with this kid for four years . So he was a good buddy .
After some pushing he ended up giving me the chocolate . I think it was 250 milligrams . And at that point in my life I was really depressed , really anxious . I was purposeless in my career . I mean , I was making a half a million dollars a year and I was miserable . I had the women right Not the relationships , the women and I was empty there .
Like my life wasn't great . I was fraught with like a sleepless panic all the time and then all of a sudden I ate this mushroom chocolate and my entire shit got flipped upside down . I remember being at the beach and feeling it's like poetic in a way .
It's like I felt the sun on my skin for the first time and all of that mental chatter and rumination , right Like the depressive thoughts of the past , the inability to accept the fearful thoughts of the future , all of my anxiety , they were just gone .
And all of a sudden I'm like , oh , I'm just here with my friends and nature and it's like I went out in the ocean and I remember feeling the water around me like , oh , my God , it's like the best thing ever , and I was just really immersed into the , the present experience . And then everything opened up for me from there .
Right , you know , within a couple of weeks of that date , started microdosing regularly and then , all of a sudden , I found my teacher I worked with for three years , which led to all the experiences and I and the bufo , and on and on . But I did not find these , these medicines , psychedelics , they .
They definitely found me in the most surprising way , for for where I was , in that period of my life , dude .
So amazing man . You know , my buddy had a saying about cannabis anyway and he was like you know how ? You know , if you're a real stoner , cannabis finds you in places that you shouldn't have , it right . Like I actually went to El Salvador earlier last year and , of course , like El Salvador doesn't fuck around when it comes to drugs , right .
So I was like I'm just gonna go cold turkey , it's all good Used to doing this , to do it every week . So I just went there , brought tobacco , you know , and that was it . And we get there . Actually , the same student I was telling you about from the Mighty Morphin Sovereign Rangers , my telegram group , she ends up hitting me up .
She's like , hey , I don't know if I've told you , but I'm from El Salvador . Like I'm so grateful it's legal . But there was kind of this like ooh , taboo feeling when you'd smoke it somewhere you weren't supposed to .
So of course I had to check out the you know the nation's quality and so I got some and it was pretty much like Mexican brick cannabis , you know but it felt really cool . We're all familiar . Yeah , yeah , it was a really , you know , meaningful joint to smoke out there .
Because , you know , I really feel like and I can understand or empathize to why El Salvador kind of made it so ridiculous with drugs right now , because when you're the murder capital of the world , you got to let your polarity shift completely the other way before you can find the middle ground .
I don't discount them , for you know , or judge them for making it illegal , but I do enjoy connecting with natural plants , no matter what imaginary line I'm on . So it's pretty funny how that works and you know , very similar to you . Like you know , psychedelics were something that found me over and over again .
So I totally understand that and it's interesting that they find you , at least in my experience as well as yours that you just shared .
They find you at exactly the right moment to you know , almost the moment where , like , if you just keep going down the path they're going to go down , there's nothing that's going to come from it , and they kind of check you before you wreck yourself for sure .
Yeah , man , the arbiters of truth I mean , that's my entire message around , whether it's microdosing or a macrodose journey like psychedelics are arbiters of truth , and most people it's like that . I was thinking that scene from A Few Good Men where he's screaming you can't handle the truth .
It's like that's what a lot of people are screaming themselves , and so all of a sudden you're confronted with this truth and so , oh , that's a little too much for me . If you're accepting of that truth , man , it can open up a whole lot for you .
Yeah , it's like psychedelics take away the . You can't handle the part , so it's just you know , like you better be able to handle it , cause it's coming . You know so , funny man .
You know one thing I'm curious on , cause I know you work a lot with men and whatnot , and this is definitely how it applied to my life , and I've asked some other you know people that work with men about this and it seems to be a going a going theory .
It's gaining a lot of correlation anyway in my world , which is the fact that we are missing rites of passage right as human beings alone , let alone men . But since we're men , we'll talk to the man side .
But you know , I think a lot of men are finding psychedelics kind of almost maybe not take the place of , because in a lot of cultures they were part of the rites of passage , but they kind of are really powerful . Stand in in a world that is not prioritized . The importance of what that , what those types of rituals mean .
Have you found something similar in your own life ? But also the men you've worked with too .
Yeah , for a lot of the men I've held space for during their thirties , late twenties , thirties and forties , and our first mushroom experience ends up being the rites of passage .
Right , they feel that boy become a man and even if it's not the full transition , you recognize that you've been living in the boy until you confront these parts of yourselves in a , in a three , four or five gram hero's dose journey . Right , and that was true for me as well .
It's like we look at our current culture and what do we have built in as rites of passage ? Driver's license .
I mean .
For females it's a little different right , like they get their moon and and that's a a biology based rites of passage . But even the way that society looks at that , it's like shaming and guilting it and hide it and don't come out and it's even that's gross .
And so how women have the rites of passage , it's been completely manipulated , based on the view of the patriarchy . Not that I love you using that word , but we have a very masculine society , right . And then the masculine side of things , because we have nothing built in , what does it end up being ?
Who can fuck the most chicks , who can party the hardest , who can do the most drugs , who can drink the longest and the latest , who can be the biggest bully ?
And so because we don't have these rites of passage experiences built in into our youth 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 years old when these things should happen , it ends up manifesting in very shadowy and dark ways because we're not being led into that experience . And it's not that I'm saying psychedelics should be used at those ages .
I believe that I might with my own kids and I know that's controversial . Yeah , and when you look at communities or indigenous cultures like the Shipibo or the Bwiti , they start serving their children medicine around 12 , 13 years old .
Right , they do rites of passage experiences , especially in different indigenous communities throughout Africa where they have to go live in the bush on their own for three nights . If you're 12 , 13 years old and if you come back and survive , you're now a man and if you don't , they've accepted that as part of the culture .
And this is something around rites of passage I think that we've gotten away from is obviously fear-based . Culture bleeds into so many things , but including this and Charles Eisenstein talks about this a lot Until we stop putting safety as the top priority in our society , we're always going to crumble , because safety should not be the top priority .
It's about our evolution , it's about our growth , it's about helping us self-realize that our boy is going through this transition into manhood . So we take on that radical and personal and self-responsibility which kind of ties into the sovereignty and stuff .
It's like when you have that rites of passage , when you break through that barrier , you are pillared in who you are in a way that makes you take on a sense of responsibility where I can no longer be victim to anything outside of myself .
Those experiences are powerful man and , going back to the relation of psychedelics , it's like , yeah , my first time I did five grams of mushrooms .
I came out of that experience like , okay , I can no longer run from the confrontation that I've been living in an adolescence , even though I'm 31 years old , and it opened up a whole journey of self-actualization which allowed me to step more into what it means to be a safe , sovereign , free , powerful , grounded , strong man in this world .
Dude , and you know it's so funny . You mentioned potentially having psychedelics be an aspect of the rite of passage you bring your children through .
And then , when you mentioned it may be controversial , right like , think about the world we live in , that it's completely normal to inject your baby with a bunch of fucking vaccines made by the biggest cartel in the entire world killed more people than anything you know ever . That's completely normal .
But giving your kid mushrooms that grow from the natural earth is somehow controversial , right like . That's why I don't mind being controversial , because controversial in my opinion , in my opinion , in today's world , is actually common sense , you know .
Know , because we're so ass backwards , because the way that I like to look at life , because I just like easy ways to navigate things , is simplicity is the language of God , complexity is the language of the ego .
So when you think about right , the idea of the sacred medicines that have always been here and us connecting with them the same way we have for over 10,000 years , right , probably a lot longer than that they're mentioned in the Bible , they're mentioned all throughout these texts , before they got essentially institutionalized by man and started getting all the stories
wrapped around his story and things like that . But again , like you know , if you can give a child or not a child , but like an adolescent can give a child or not a child , but like an adolescent these types of things and they have a positive experience with them , the same way we've been having for over 10,000 years . How is that not simplicity , right ?
Like the way I look at it is like if you think that the human body is innately flawed to the point where you have to put a bunch of random chemicals inside yourself just to exist in today's world and you think that's normal , well , you are in the ego . That is the ego's world . Complexity , confusion , fear , that's all the ego's doing .
And so , when it comes to these mushrooms and these different types of medicines , they actually free you from those things . Now the challenge is that a lot of times you got to go through whatever's the block in there , right ? I was given this analogy the other day . It's almost like you have a clogged drain , right ?
So for a week your drain has been clogged . Well , if you unclog it , what's going to happen ? All the shit's going to come out right , like shit that you didn't even know was in there , because it's been a week that it's been clogged . Now let's think about 30 , 40 , 50 years , right . So , again , like , we know that we must feel things to heal them .
And also , in today's world , we've been convinced through mainstream society that somehow certain emotions are positive happiness , excitement , productivity is at the top of that list . But depression , sadness , anxiety , all these things are just pesky things to get away .
You know , they're not real or they're not important , they're just random signals and just numb those things out , you know , not even worth it , right , when , in reality , these medicines , they help you actually feel them fully , so you can heal them .
And so you know , again , I have no problem being a controversial person in the very sick world , you know , and I imagine you totally identify with that too , and I think we're seeing a shift right now . You know , I'm not a political person whatsoever , but in terms of entertainment , oh , the show is great .
And what I will say , though , is I have very much enjoyed the energetics of what I felt throughout . The collective is like kind of a , you know , kind of lumped together of Trump getting in , you know , because it's more of like no , there are two genders .
Like , you can play whatever game you want , but there are two genders because we have to have some semblance of structure here in society for this thing to operate .
If we start breaking down the foundation of what it even means to be a woman , what it means to be a man , we start to get further and further into what complexity which is the world of the ego , which is not God's world , you know .
So , again , it's just one of those things where I don't mind anymore being controversial , because I understand that there's your people and not your people . And why would I ever spend time trying to convince not my people to be my people when I could just spend that time with my people , you know , and there's no harm , no foul right , no judgment .
You know everyone's going to find their person and if either of us are , that for someone great , if we aren't great , you know , no big deal yeah , and you mentioned a good thing .
it's like one of the guiding principles that have really changed my life and allowed me to ground my consciousness in reality and understand how to relate to this miracle we're living has been the hermetic principles . Ah , hermetic philosophy , right ? One of the seven hermetic principles is the principle of philosophy ? Right ?
One of the seven hermetic principles is the principle of gender . Yes , and it's understanding how that plays out on a micro , macro level across individuals and all space and time , throughout all universes . There's a masculine , feminine dynamic within me and within you and within this desk and within everything around us . Right , and it's .
We're confusing identity with universal principles . Yes , I want you to be able to identify in whatever way makes you feel free and sovereign within your own belief systems , but not disrupting the very fabric of what reality is built on .
And that this matrix we all live in it's a collective matrix of all 8 billion of us , including all the sentient species , and this desk and walls are sentient as well . We can get into that topic , but you know what I mean . Oh , yeah , and that collective matrix has a set of principles and rules that govern the entire existence of it .
We can call that God right . I believe that I'm a very big fan of the law of one and just the simplistic , non-dogmatic way those teachings come across , of listen , everything is rooted in infinity . Infinity has these sets of principles that make itself exist from there . Be what you want , you have free will , but we need to acknowledge the set of principles .
And to me , I'm a big fan of Robert Everett Grant and a lot of his teachings and the way he he props up hermetic philosophy .
It's like I believe in the same notion he does , that these seven principles are the underlining governing rules of existence and once I started to embody those and I saw them in everything , it opened up my entire way of relating and seeing the world . It's fascinating , man . So it's .
Yeah , it shouldn't be controversial that this is a thing , and I want you to identify whatever makes you feel free . Both of those can exist , and we've gotten so far away what you call complexity , so far away of the simplicity of it , that we're fighting over the fact that we're allowed to have different , differing perspectives . It's not right or wrong .
We're making meaning of things that don't need meaning made of them .
Yeah , dude , you know I'm so glad , dude , I've the hermetic . Principles are my guiding light in life , they're the main system out of anything I've learned . I love Laura one . I love A Course in Miracles too .
It's like these three things are my guiding principle and that's what I meant when I said like this idea that there's two genders , right , not that you can't identify as what you want to identify as right , that's your free will as a human being .
But exactly like you said , like whether you want to call it black and white , whether you want to call it positive and negative , whether you want to call it male and female , whether you want to call it positive , whatever , you know , it's like there are these two forces , that everything is an amalgamation of . You know , and so like .
Like where I get frustrated is when people that don't understand the game try overstepping the rules and then convincing other people that , because their version of the rules gets them angry , that another person can't say anything about it . Right , it's like . No , like , hey , we can all play whatever game we want here .
But at the same time , right , like to the degree you really believe something , you don't need to argue with anyone . Right , like I have many , many transgender friends who are amazing , and they they're the ones that told me this .
They're like , listen , man , like you know , for us personally , you know , this experience is not something we feel we need to go scream from the rooftops . It's a traumatic experience being brought into a body that you don't identify with and having to figure that out in the world .
And so you know again , like what gets me very upset is the fact that these movements are getting almost , like you know , thwarted by people that just want the attention and things like that .
And so , like you know again , it's like when you understand the hermetic principles or any system that helps you just understand the natural laws of the universe , it just you can't help but see silliness everywhere , and you also can't help but laugh at it and not take it too seriously , because that's also part of the ego's trap , you know it's .
It's part of its trap is to make you think all of this stuff is so real that you get triggered . No-transcript , the law of correspondence as within , so without how many people are like he or she makes me upset when they do this .
I feel this way , right , not realizing , like dude , you just are terrified of admitting that you need to take ownership over the fact that your emotions are your emotions alone . If you called me an asshole right now but I don't believe I'm an asshole I'll just laugh right . I'll be like that's hilarious .
But if I do get upset , the egoist trap is hey , they just wronged me . But the real gift they just gave you is , oh shit . Where in myself do I resonate with me being an asshole ? Because that's the only reason I got upset . So I I can't even imagine what the world would look like if everyone woke up tomorrow perfectly embodied in that .
I think about that often it's .
It's one of those sayings where you know people have heard it but they don't get it . It's like the world is your mirror , literally , and so anytime I'm getting triggered , it has nothing to do with the person triggering me . All they are doing is presenting the mirror showing myself where I'm not free and anything that I desire to see more of in the world .
If I'm not able to do that and give that myself first , I'm never going to see the thing I want in the world . And so we project on others what triggers actually ours to take full ownership of , and then we also get victimized by the things we're not seeing in the world when we're not the one becoming of it .
So , as within , so without , as above , so below , whatever I am , I'm going to attract and see in the world . If there's something I desire and I am not seeing in the world , it's my job and responsibility to become that thing . And this is most powerful in relationship .
A lot of the work I end up doing with men end up always naturally going to relationships , because relationships are always showing us we're not free .
And that principle number's the that , that principle number two correspondence always comes in the loudest because it's the projection of like well , when she does this , I'm like what's coming up in you , I get , I get triggered because of this . I'm like great , it has nothing to do with her . Take her off the table completely .
If you're getting triggered by something , you're showing yourself that you're not free , you're not sovereign , you're not able and capable to handle something because you're being victimized by your own unconscious mind and systems of protectors that you've not built those relationships with yet .
How powerful would you feel if she did the exact same thing you're blaming her for and you were able to hold the space like a safe masculine , be in the chaos and be pillared and centered to not be reactive to it at all .
If you're in traffic getting frustrated over somebody cutting you off or what that , imagine how that little circumstance is being mirrored in the rest of your life . Right , and that principle of mirror . It's like everything in this experience is mine , even something I might be feeling in relationship .
It's like when I open that space and container for my partner and I to have that discussion , I open it with hey , I want to know this is all coming from love . Everything I'm saying and experiencing right now I'm owning is my experience . I'm not putting this on you and I want to make sure that you know this means nothing about you or our relationship .
That gives us the ability to then step into truth . My truth is this is what I'm experiencing , and because I can own that , I'm experiencing it . Of course it's being mirrored into the relationship , but because I can take ownership of that , I'm giving her an opportunity to give me a reflection I'm not conscious of because I'm not free of it yet .
That's all hermeticism , dog , and you can do that about every single principle . It's like one of my favorite ones . I got it tattooed right here the all is mind .
Yes , dude , Number one bro .
Yeah , and it's that realization that everything is mind manifest and everything that is mind manifest is rooted in belief systems . And if I can just know that's the truth , then go to principle two . Okay , if I know that everything I'm seeing is based on my own belief systems and creation , right , the mind creates the heart manifest .
The heart's going to manifest what your mind believes about itself . If my mirror isn't clean and I don't like the way it looks , right , coming back to one . That's why I like how they build on each other . Yeah , I do , right , like they're sequential and they teach them in order .
For a reason I've read the Kabbalion probably two dozen times at this point because it unlocks more and more for me and it's sequential for a reason . It's like , okay , understanding that everything is mind manifest from my belief systems , how I see the world , what my programs , distortions , beliefs , triggers , traumas , protectors all of that is creating this for me .
Then you go to step two just acknowledge that exists . Step two of the smears clean . I don't like this part about myself . Back to step one which one of these belief systems is the thing triggering this ? And then you can go to step . It's fucking fascinating , man , dude , and that's why the ancient wisdom ?
It's fucking fascinating , man Dude , and that's why the ancient wisdom , the things that have carried themselves for 5 , 6 , 7 , 10 , 12,000 years . They're alive because they're rooted in truth . And so I don't need to listen to the professor at the university that graduated some Freudian shit .
That isn't even his teaching and he's not embodying his own symbolism of what his truth is in life . He's rehearsing a book . It doesn't resonate as truth because it's not your truth . This does because it's fundamental to how truth operates .
Yeah , dude , perfectly stated man , and you know , it's just so awesome , dude . Like you know , I mentioned hermetics to a lot of people and most people just haven't heard of it .
You know , and I read the Kabbalion for the first time probably about four years ago and was just like this Again , there's so many different systems out there and a lot of them are great .
I've trained in Kabbalah and different mystery schools and whatnot and they all have some cool stuff to them , but hermetics was just , once again , it was like dude , that is the simplest way . And also , just because it's simple doesn't mean that it's easy . You know , like , like , it is the most challenging seven fucking things you'll ever go through in your life .
But , like you said , I love things that I can learn and be like , oh , I get that . And then a month later , be like I guess I didn't get that . Then six months later , be like , oh , I definitely didn't get it six months ago . And it just never stops right .
Like you know , sometimes I'll just mess around and ask chat GBT for a synopsis of Kabbalion and I'll be like say it differently and I'll just see different ways that it puts it together in different ways that it can amalgamate different responses in me .
And you know I've loved the idea Because , if you think about it right like to me , you know , being friends with Aaron , hearing a lot about the Jesus Way , I'm a huge fan of it . One of my favorite books of all time which God I literally , I think , mention this in every podcast now Sorry listeners , but is Disappearance of the Universe .
Have you ever heard of that before ? Or ?
read it . No oh dude .
Awesome , I think you're going to love it , dude , because when you actually hear what Jesus was teaching , it's very hermetic , dude , like , it's very , like , very similar because , basically , like what they over , what they uh undo in that book is they're like you know how , like you know , jesus is always depicted as this guy suffering on the cross .
Like dude , he wasn't suffering at all . He chose to be crucified as his last forgiveness lesson because he realized that in order for people to believe that we're infinite beings , I'm going to have to pull off something really crazy .
So I'm going to get killed in front of a bunch of people and then just hop into a new body and go knock on the door and be like , what's up , you miss me . And that's essentially what happened . You know the two ascended masters that come to the author of the book and start telling them stuff .
They were St Thaddeus and someone else in Jesus's original disciples and St Thaddeus and someone else in Jesus's original disciples and they talk about how , like we all love Jay , they call him Jay in the book , which is so funny . I don't know why , but this makes it so impersonal and like funny , like , is it , bro , yours ? You know ? But , dude .
He was like the coolest man you know . He was just going around being like hey guys , like you don't need to do any of this kind of stuff was also saying hey , this is all a dream here , so don't make it too real . Right , have the best dream you can , but make sure like the way you have the best dream is not by diving deeper into the dream .
It's by waking up in the dream to the reality of what , that which is not reality , which is this dream , the fact that we're dreaming , we are the dreamer and that our lives intersect at the corner of free will and destiny . Right ? So we have infinite paths that we can go on , but only one is the greatest and grandest , and it's okay .
If you don't get it right , you got infinity to figure it out , and this is just really God experiencing itself , god experiencing what if there was something else than infinity , right , aka finiteness . And when that dream happened , the ego .
Ego got created , and so this is the ego's world , and so the goal is how can you utilize the ego to have a fun dream while not allowing it to take you over and let you forget who you really are , you know and so like , when you think about the all is mine , when you think about taking accountability for your own emotions and things like that , it's really
to me , all speaking to the same idea . They're like what I'm seeing and I'm thinking is not reality , like when someone makes me mad out there that's not what really happened . So can I just forgive myself for the belief systems that I created in myself ? Even if I wasn't consciously aware when I created them , I still did it .
Can I take accountability and ownership over that and realize that I can just redo those belief systems and laugh at the whole thing , laugh at the fact that I ever believed that , laugh at the fact that I allowed it to allow me to think the dream was real , and then laugh at the fact that I can see a lot of other people that were just where I was and
I'll probably be there again , right , and just laugh at the entire thing and realize that through laughter , through forgiveness , through connection , we return to source and we return to God , you know . And so that book really did a lot for me . Man , that and Kabbalah , you know , like my two books , you know and he's got four actually that are all amazing .
So if you like the first one dive into the other three .
Yeah , I'm shocked . I haven't heard about it . Man , I'm by that right when we finish this up .
Bro , it's all about A Course in Miracles , so it's iambic pentameter . It's kind of weird to read . It makes sense , but it's a little strange to read . But according to the Ascended Masters that helped Gary the author write this book , the course is the only unadulterated teachings of Jesus available . It's just straight Jesus .
There's no Paul doing his Paulinian stupid shit in there . There's no other scribes that decided to write their own things in there . It's really just Jesus . And so what they do is they kind of like state it in modern day language .
And so when I was reading this book dude , I have never had this happen , I've never gone through four books in a two week period I could not put them down . Like there was a feeling inside of me of like there's nothing more important than understanding what's in these books right now . And it was just like that feeling of like , oh god , I knew it .
Oh my god , I knew it . Oh my god , I knew it the whole time , dude . so I'm really course in miracles disappearance because it's based on the course .
I haven't read the course yet but but , like you know , again when I was telling aaron , because he's a course master , uh , he had never read disappearance so I was telling him about it because the author's a little interesting .
You know he's not everyone's cup of tea but his books are really good and when I was telling him about he's like dude , that's literally the course he's like everyone that's told me about that book said that it's just like the best summary of the course , said in the way that anyone can understand . You know .
It doesn't take like a really focused , you know person to go through the course for years to get it . You can get this in six hours after you read the book .
It's pretty wild , yeah the course is it's dense . Yeah , it's my second audible , audible . Listen to it and it's just . It's . Yeah , it's not uh easily grasped , but you know there's so much beauty and wisdom in it that you keep going through it anyway ah , dude , you're a braver man than I .
I have the real book . It's actually right there . You can see the red I got .
Oh , yeah , I don't know why .
But but , uh , I got the real book because I was like aaron was like do not read out an audiobook , and I was like book because I was like Aaron was like do not read out an audio book and I was like , okay , he's like , dude , it's so confusing Like you really want to like follow it . So I took his wisdom from it .
I also work with his business partner , mark Anthony Lord , who's also a really big course teacher , and with those two , plus Disappearance and his series of books , I feel like I have a really good jumping off point to fully dedicate myself to the course now . Because , again , like it just makes sense , dude , it's just easy , you know .
And when I read that book I realized , oh , jesus , buddha , plato , lao Tzu , like all these guys were actually non-dualists , so they would have never said don't ever connect with an intoxicant , because if you think it's bad , that implies duality and it makes the dream real . They would have been like , meh , is it good or bad ?
Probably in the middle , you know , cause that's very hermetic , right , the middle way is the way , right , you know , thinking about rhythm and everything , like the goal is to find the center points . You don't get too high . You don't get too low , right , cause everything , every reaction , has a counteraction , right ?
So if you go to the side of the polarity , like smoking cannabis all the time , let's say and you're doing that for a long time you got to switch it totally back the other way , to complete abstinence before you can finally find that middle ground . So after a little bit of swinging , you know , you just start to realize .
You know what if I just stay centered , you know ?
simple , not easy , though yeah , actually gotta give you a shout out , man . We've never talked about this in our conversations , but you changed my relationship with cannabis . Oh dude .
Thank you , bro , I started smoking when I was 16 .
Very , I mean at that age , everyone is pretty unconscious .
You're fucking around behind that .
I remember when I was a freshman at ASU , my roommate at the time , his parents , bought this big ass four-bedroom house right next to the campus in Tempe . So we were like a quarter mile from Mill Avenue where all the parties were happening and everything next to the campus in Tempe .
So we were like a quarter mile from Mill Avenue where all the parties were happening and everything . And we decided to share the master bedroom and because it was this massive L-shaped room and we'd throw parties every weekend , so we had blow up mattresses and all the other rooms for our friends to sleep over .
And yeah , when I think I was 19 at the time , every morning he'd come sit on my bed because I was by the window and start smoking a blunt before I went to school . So all of a sudden I'm waking up at seven o'clock in the morning and just smoke a blunt with this kid if he's going to do it anyway .
And that led to just like smoking every day , really unconsciously , absolutely using it for numbing throughout my twenties and the major injuries .
I smoked my ass off instead of taking pain pills and then I listened to your podcast with Aubrey one day and I'm already doing medicine work at this time but like so ignorant to my relationship with cannabis and it like woke me up . I'm like , holy shit , I'm not treating this like I do any of the other medicines . What am I doing ?
And so I took a week off and then I went into that next time , smoking like journal , like what is my intention ? What I want to come up ? How do I want to explore ? Okay , what would happen if I put an eye mask on and actually laid still instead of smoking to watch tv or go stuff my face in the kitchen or distract myself , whatever it is .
And it changed everything for me , dude , so want to give you that shout out while we're here , since that's your entire teaching anyway . You changed a lot for me when I heard that podcast .
Bro , that means the world dude Seriously , and you know it makes a lot of sense . Now why that probably resonated with you , because how I talk about cannabis I sometimes mention this on podcasts , but it's very influenced from hermetic law .
You know , like a lot of the things I talk about , like , hey , don't blame cannabis for your issues , take ownership over the fact that you put that pipe or joint to your mouth . And until you take accountability for that , you're going to keep blaming everything external to you .
And I say often too that you know it's like why does your relationship with cannabis matter ? On its own , it's not really that important , but what it represents , which is how we do anything , is how we do everything .
That's a very hermetic way to look at life too , and that's what really matters is that you can take any relationship in your life and utilize it as a mirror , like you mentioned earlier , and for a lot of people , if they're not in a sacred partnership or they don't have a romantic partner and maybe they don't have any close friends whatever , like that
relationship is cannabis for them . And even for a lot of other people that do have a lot of those things . They maybe get too triggered when it's a partner or someone else that can , you know , talk back at them .
So I always tell people like a really safe way to explore relational patterns is with a plant like cannabis , because you know if you get mad at it it's not going to say anything to you , it's going to let you just stew on this thought and eventually , if you have the awareness , you're going to come to the point of like , oh man , I'm blaming this plant .
Plant didn't do anything , it's just growing on the ground , just wanting sunlight and water and nutrients . And here I am picking it and deciding to put it in a bowl and smoke it , and that's not bad . But if I'm not getting good results , I have to look at my own actions with it to really figure out where are these things coming from ?
Right , like you said , with the all is mine . What belief systems are at work when it comes to this dysfunctional pattern I have in any aspect of my life , let alone cannabis ? Really glad that you said that , man . I'm super grateful , dude .
Thank you . Yeah , cannabis shows you . Rogan talks about this all the time . He's like I'll have friends that smoke and they get anxiety . He's like right , yeah , it's working . It's trying to show you that you're already anxious . You've gotten so good at gaslighting yourself .
You walk through the day as if you're not that same anxious person that it's just highlighted when you smoke a joint . All of a sudden . I've had to come to this realization .
It's like and this is a little bit esoteric so maybe when people overeat a lot of people that are suffering from obesity that's a mother wound , right , they weren't receiving the nurturing they did when they're young . So they overeat , so they can feel anything because they're expressing a lack of actually being able to tune in and nurture themselves .
So they eat to the point that they're sick , which ends up leading to obesity . And this is a lot of my girlfriend's teachings . But I noticed that when I smoke and I get the munchies , there is something I'm not wanting to feel . So I'm numbing that capacity to be stuffing myself toward .
The only thing I feel is the over distension of my belly because I couldn't stop eating . And when , in reality , when I feel the munchies , if I get really still and I go into it . I typically end up having a big release . My channel opens , I have a creative flow that comes through . I tap into an emotion . I have a realization .
I realize there's a truth in a hard conversation I'm running from , and so the symptomology and I think this is true of everything in life , the symptomology , what our bodies are expressing are so pointed at what it's wanting us to look at . Anxiety is begging you to look at the emotions trapped in your body .
Depression is begging you to look at the looping thought systems that are trapped in your mind . Right , these things are actually really alluring signals that the universe has created that manifest into the physical form , telling us the exact part of ourselves that we need to be with .
Look at heal from speak to whatever it might be Right , and cannabis , more than anything else , does that . So when I smoke , sometimes I get anxious . I'm like shit , what am I ? What am I ignoring right now ? You know it's like , instead of running from it , go right into it , yeah , and you can transmit it .
Doing that right through alchemy , you know , turn lead into gold and you know that's the thing is . Like you know , I don't judge anyone , because it took me a while to to first of all even just understand this . I mean , let's think of it , right . Like I always say jokingly that if white bread is on the food pyramid , just imagine how fucked we are .
Right , because it doesn't stop there , because how we do anything is how we do everything . So if we're as ass backwards as white bread being on the food pyramid , fluoride being in our water and vaccines being safe to inject kids with , but don't give them mushrooms before they're 21 . If we're in that world , then all bets are off right .
So at the end of the day , like I don't discredit or judge anyone from you know , falling into any pattern , right , because I've had all of these , you know . So that would just be silly and completely ego . But you know , the other thing too is that there will be a certain point where the pain of staying the same outweighs the fear of change .
And you know , I think when that happens it puts people at a surrender point where maybe they utilize the psychedelic medicine , maybe they go to therapy , whatever it is where they start realizing that whatever problem of thinking they've created , they can't solve it with the same level of thinking , and that gaslighting themselves and all these things are not working
right , like the only way out is through . You know , and like Joseph Campbell states , and again , like I heard this quote for years and understood the of it , but until I experienced it firsthand I didn't really understand how beautiful of a quote this is , which is bliss . Is any emotion felt all the way through ?
Because , just the same way that I mentioned , you know , we think vaccines are safe but mushrooms aren't and all these kind of things .
One of the other main things is that you know it just doesn't stop there , right , like it just keeps going and it keeps going and it keeps going and at the end of the day , like the quicker that we can wake up to these things , you know , the quicker that we can eventually heal from them . And I just you know that's my hope for the world .
And I think that , in that same type of line , one of the biggest ways in which we've been kind of I don't know blue pill , in a way , I guess is the right way to say it is .
That is , with emotion , right , like into believing that , like , oh yeah , it's not just white bread's healthy in these things , but also like happiness , good , sadness , bad , right , like you know , these kind of things , you know , I mean , it even goes as deep , bro , I went . I went down a rabbit hole one day and I found the CIA experiment they had done .
I don't know if you ever heard about this , but I started to ask what do I currently believe that I think is just objective ? That is actually completely false . And when you start asking those questions , when you're on psychedelics , it starts going pretty deep , right .
And so I was connecting with cannabis and some mushrooms and decided to go on a CIA quest on Chat GBT and I found this , this experiment they did in the 90s , I think , early 90s , where they took the senior citizens that were all different age ranges , like you know , 80s , 90s all in varying conditions of failing health .
Some were walking with walkers , some had Alzheimer's , like just different you know diseases and conditions , and so they replicated a town , like they made a fake town , basically , and they Orchestrated it so that when it was done , it looked exactly like these people just walked into , like the 1930s or something like that , their mindset wise , like when they were in
that you know era . They were like in their like 20s , 30s , right , maybe even a little bit younger , like early 20s , you know things like that .
So when they put these senior citizens into this community and I'm talking the houses , the cars , the TV programs , the furniture , the food everything was exactly like it would have been back in like the late 20s , early 30s . And all of a sudden they started watching these people regress in age . They started watching them not walk with walkers .
They started watching people that had knee problems , that haven't been able to sit in years , just sit down , crisscross applesauce in front of the tv , like they did when they were kids . It made me question like , is the belief that we even get older and we have to die ? Is that just a belief ? Like , are we just picking up unconsciously the fact that ?
Like , oh , like , like you know this gentleman's around 33 , like I am . So this is , I guess , what you look like when you're 33 . Like , is that even a foundational level ? I mean , it gets really trippy when you start diving into that stuff .
But it's pretty fascinating , dude , because , again , if the all is mind , aka , if we're the creator of our reality , then there's no bounds to what that means , right ? And that's like a hard thing for the human mind to comprehend . It's like trying to comprehend infinity .
I can understand something that goes on forever and never was born and never ends , but I can't actually hold that in my little human self , you know .
So it's fucking fascinating , dude and again you're like you look at so many leave the bible , the hermetic philosophy , the law of one . So many of these texts talk about . 100 years is not the human life ? Yeah , exactly , in that like 700 to 900 year range . Right , it's like what ? What is that about ?
What has convinced us that 100 , one , one , 100 years is the apex of what it , this human experience , is ? Because , look at I can't remember who posted this , but I know ro Rogan talked about it on his podcast Look at actors from the 80s and their 50s . They look like they're dying .
And then look at , like Rogan and Cam Haines and Hugh Raman , these dudes in their 50s that are like apex species . It's literally a different era . What has actually changed ? We eat relatively the same food and we that's a whole different conversation , but reality hasn't changed .
It's the way that we're relating to our own reality , that we can recreate our belief systems , that I can be healthy at any age , and then naturally , you draw yourself to the things that prove yourself correct , because your belief system is going to manifest outwardly what I believe to be true about myself in the world .
So it's not an accident that you have people in there . Mark Sisson he's another one . The dude's like 70 something and he's jacked and shredded . It's like what Paul Cech we can go on and on right , paul Cech's going to be 260 years old by the time he dies .
Like he's , he's rewriting all of this I mean , bro , you even look like vince mcmahon , right , the guy from the wwe , right . So we're talking about like health conscious people . Vince mcmahon's done steroids , whatever , but dude is like 70 something and still yoked , like , yeah , still , I mean up until recently running the wwe . I think there's some controversy .
I don't pay attention to it , but you know , I think what it is , man is that I think Hunter S Thompson kind of got it . You know a little bit . Obviously there's definitely a . I don't know , this may be a belief too , but I feel like there's a cutoff point to this . What I'm about to say , no-transcript haven't had like a perfectly pristine body .
They've gone through injuries . Paul had a guy fall on his neck and snap three of his vertebrae . He's had a concussion that knocked him out for two weeks at a time off of you know dirt bike accident and dude just didn't let that stop him .
But on the other hand , I have very close family members that had a lot of trauma that manifested his back problems or whatever else . They went to a doctor . The doctor said ah , you have this disorder called degenerative disc disease . That's all you can do . So they went home and tried to be careful and they just fucking annihilated themselves .
So I really think , dude and it's been my experience to have your break a bone , that's one thing , but like when I pull muscles or whatever I've just learned just work out through now . Again , I'm not gonna PR if I have like a fucked up shoulder , but I'm not going to stop working out .
Every time I've tried to stop working out for that it shot me in the foot and I never want to stop working out like I love it , it's like one of my favorite things to do . So when I look at Rogan and all these people , they just keep moving , dude , and they do things that matter to them .
They have family and things like that , of course , all that matters .
But I think , specifically , maybe this is the same for women I'm not going to try to speak to women because I think it gets us in a lot of trouble , but for men anyway , doing something you love and having a passion and a mission , I think is the most important thing you can possibly have , because it's connection to self .
So that's my best guess , you know .
Yeah , I think that's to to the design of the masculine energy is freedom and purpose . If we can have those two things we are living in alignment of , of how to show up within ourselves . Just like women , they want connection and safety , and when they feel connected and safe , then their channel explodes .
When we feel free and on purpose , our channel explodes and then from that place we can create whatever we want . We're in the creator archetype . I think you mentioned something really important to note that is wrong with all of current allopathic Western medicine .
I'm talking therapy , I'm talking pharmaceuticals , I'm talking with the whole wanting to cut before any other medicines is they make individuals identify as the thing they're experiencing , which then that roots in a new belief system , which means , by definition , this , this and this , and so that individual thinks , okay , my life's fucked now .
And it's like how about the guy that it was a few years , the story was going around . He ended up breaking his neck and was paralyzed from the neck down and over a two-year period , took a shit ton of psilocybin mushrooms with the intention on going into each journey teaching his body how to operate again , like rewiring the belief systems .
That said , he was going to be paralyzed and now he's a professional bmx rider like an off-road , like trail bike I don't know the technical term , but he's like a professional off-trail bike rider , god damn . And he retrained his belief systems that it is not correct . He's going to be paralyzed forever .
Fuck everything the western medical system is telling him and now he's living out what he loves and wants to do because he changed the root of belief systems and so this is why I get so frustrated when people identify with like I have adhd . No , you don't .
You're experiencing symptoms that we have named ADHD because between the ages of three and seven years old , your young self experienced something traumatic when your medulla oblongata was developing , which is your attention center , and so you trained yourself how to be addicted to distraction at that age , because it was the only way to keep you safe Coping strategy and
if anybody's wanting more information on that book , read Scattered Minds by Gabor Mate . Right ? If we don't identify with these things , I'm not depressed . I'm experiencing states of depression . I don't have anxiety . I'm having an anxious moment . Then everything becomes a teaching because it's momentary , and anything that's momentary is an experience .
Anything experienced is a finite , and anything that's finite you can learn from it . You can learn from it you're evolving .
If you're evolving , you're doing exactly what you were put on earth to do , and so stop identifying with these things because they're changing our belief systems , which is why I don't believe I'm gonna die at 100 and I don't care how wild it sounds , I'm gonna live to 200 .
And if I truly align with that belief system , but it's like , do that everything , I'm abundant , I'm . This is why I am statements are so powerful .
Right , I am all of these things and I'm taking ownership that I am these things , and so I think it's a really important note , because this is what I think is wrong with the one of the I've gone on so many tangents on this One of the things that's entirely wrong with Western medicine yeah , dude .
Bro . I mean , you know , I think we just became best friends , bro Hermetics , all these things . You know , I think we just became best friends , bro Hermetics , all these things . Dude , I think we officially have bunk bed status now . Step brother's moment , dude .
You know , it's so true , man , like it's so interesting looking into the world because I'm humble enough to realize my own , you know distortions and things that I've experienced right when I see other people going through things , but at the same time I am so vehemently against those things now because of where they led me , like I'm grateful I went through , but I
wouldn't choose to go back there . Like I learned that lesson . I'm moving forward . So like I just found myself just kind of escaping the world , right , and what I mean by that is like just tuning out obviously the news is a long time ago , but even tuning out like podcast , trying to get off social media .
Like just leaving myself a clean slate because I don't want to unconsciously pick up on anyone else's myths that I don't like . You know , like it was funny , on that danny morel episode someone was commenting .
You know , it's very weird , dude , in the way , the resurgence of jesus and the people that are obsessed with jesus right now , because they're you know , I was talking to aaron yeah , sure , they believe in Jesus , but they don't follow anything he says .
And then they try to reprimand you for being like Jesus is the only way , and it's like Jesus would never say that he was a non-dualist . You literally don't get it , you know , and so like , on everything I talk about with cannabis on a spiritual podcast , there's gotta be at least three people like Jesus is the only way . You know .
It's interesting because there's a part of me that so wants to go in there and just be like well , who created cannabis ? If everything is God right , so why is this any different ? Right , but like , but again , not my place . And also , like you know , there's nothing wrong they're doing Like that could be exactly what they need for their evolution right now .
So I don't want to go messing with people's karma and whatnot , but it's just like . I see those things . I'm like man . I remember those days that I was so boxed in Like this is the only way you know . I remember literally being 18 years old and arguing with my friends about why metal music was better than rap .
Like , like , really like , just thinking I was so vindicated and just like no , I know it's better and thinking back and be like , oh , facepalm , like that was a yikes moment , you know , and so when I see it now it reminds me of my own . You know , limitations that I put on life .
You know , like I love rap now and metal , like you know , I was like why does it have to be one of the other ?
you know , that's a psychedelic tissue like yes and instead of you know , like you know like you can have both dude . You can have your cake , you can eat it too , and that cake can be gluten-free . You can get all three , you know so yes , I've been playing with this thing lately .
That keeps coming through and it's like the more I play with it , the more I'm starting to realize how true it is . And it's the like when you . What picked up . What pinged me is when you said that people make the comments like this is the only way right . And who also comes into my field when I think about this is the man himself , peter Crone .
I love that dude's teachings man . He is so pointed in how it's delivered and one of his quotes , like words don't describe reality , they're creating your reality and really being with that reality . They're creating your reality and really being with that .
And then I took that to the next level for my own journey and starting to understand that everything we are speaking is our unconscious mind wanting us to listen to ourselves Again . So that mirror thing , this entire experience , is just me . So everything I'm speaking is my own unconscious mind wanting me to listen and relate to myself with it .
And so , if somebody's speaking , this is the only way that is painting the framework of how they see their lives in reality . And by trying to get you to understand that this is the only way , they've just created their own box , which is why they're going to be trapped in it forever . And so when I talk , I'm listening to the words .
I speak much more intently , realizing that I'm just witnessing myself talk . I'm not the one actually speaking , so putting everything from the seat of the observer . And then same thing with thoughts . Thoughts are not real , they're ethereal .
This is why journaling is powerful is because when you've alchemized these thoughts into the universe and you make them real , you get to understand them at a new level . You can make sense of them , you can interact with them . So , people that are just dying in the swirling mind of your own thoughts , just write that shit out .
It's going to change everything for you . And I used to think I was the one thinking my thoughts . And so it's like when I learned to take a step back and realize I'm listening to my thoughts , take a step back and realize I'm listening to my thoughts .
I'm listening to my unconscious pushing these things out in a way that we assume our brain is creating these chemical signals that we can , and it always feels like it's happening here , but we don't really know , it's just our best guess . I'm just listening to this shit happen , right . And so when I notice myself say something that's so limiting .
Instead , this is the only way I'm like oof , how is that showing up in my life ? Yeah right , when I judge somebody , that's just me judging myself , my own unconscious projecting on somebody else something that I actually don't like about myself , that I haven't come to the realization of .
So , yeah , like , and it's funny too , because Danny is very anti-religion , but in his comments he'll have so many people like the pro-Jesus movement . It's like wait what's happening here ?
It's so funny , dude , it's so funny .
Yeah , and it's that's where that compassion comes in is when I see some comments or people judging something , I say I'm like man , I just realize and understand that that is their own conscious , hoping one day they can see themselves in that own reflection and in that as your freedom .
But it's fascinating , it's like the more I can take a seat back and just observe everything happening , the more I realize that it's all just me happening , and sometimes it sucks because I'm like I'm fucking , I'm sick of this shit , dude I don't want to take responsibility for this one , but dude , it's also inescapable when you can see it .
And it's the psychedelics help , you know , we'll just put it that way . They help me kind of ground everything , realize it and ground it back in 100 .
Dude , I totally agree , man . Like you know , one of the areas that I've really realized this in my own self and this is like something like a high D I had recently while connecting with cannabis is that you know , back when I was 20 , all the way up until when I was about 30 , you know like well , I should probably like 28 .
But a couple of the things left over until I was 30 , I like was really into the David Goggins mentality . I didn't know about him until I was probably like 24 , 25 , but that kind of mentality of like no pain , no gain , just work harder , discipline , discipline , discipline .
And what I realized is that actually , in a way , just saying you're going to do something every day is the easy way , and I'll tell you why . Right , because let's say exercise , for instance , right , I'm going to go to the gym every day , like I'm not saying that's easier than not going to the gym at all , like that's level one .
But level two , which I think people think is like or I'll make it personal I thought was the final destination he's like just do it every day , right , never skip a day . But what happens with the relationship you have with intuition ?
What happens if you have a certain plan for your workout and your shoulder kind of feels weird , are going to still do that exact same plan ? Are you going to modulate it ?
If you've been going to the sauna five days and you wake up and you feel really dehydrated , are you going to just thug it out and get in there , because I do this every day , like no , it's actually the third level to this is being completely intuitive , getting off all the isms right carnivore , vegan , I don't know .
Probably somewhere in the middle I'm going to feel how my body feels and go with that , whatever my body responds to . That's how I'm going to navigate life .
I'm not going to create these like disciplines that actually are not as good as I think they may have been in the past , because a lot of times they got me into hot water , because at a certain point you know there will be days where , if you don't flow with the flow of life and you try to paddle upstream , yeah , it's not sustainable because it requires
effort . Effort , by definition , is not sustainable because it requires energy . I don't care how strong-willed you are . Even look at David Goggins . He did it for a long time . Then by the end he was like fuck , I think I need to stretch . Then he realized stretching is what fixed what he thought was a brain tumor .
I see a lot of masochism in those type of you know rituals . I guess you could call them right like the no pain , no gain , just discipline yourself harder and harder , and I think it's like you know it did serve me up until a certain point .
Like if you're not fulfilling your responsibilities , if you're being lazy , or couch potato or whatever , like , yeah , like again polarity , right , right , if you're not doing anything , you got to do everything before you can come back to something you know like . So it's very interesting , man , but that's one I've noticed recently , last couple of years like .
What's coming through is it's just the antithesis of what most of us should do , which is nothing yeah , dude , do whatever you want to do what actually gives you joy .
That's what kids do , and they're the closest to god , right ?
well , not Well , not from that sense , not from like a following . You know your dharma and your intuition that leads you to purpose and your freedom in that sense . But this whole pain , no gain , drive , drive , drive , effort , motivation . Let's just go , go , go . It doesn't matter . Most of us actually need to just do nothing . A lot more .
Yeah , Subtract rather than add . I don't give a fuck if you're working out four hours a day and putting in 12 hour work days and you're doing , you're doing the grind . If you can't sit still for 45 minutes a day . And this is my own unconscious telling me I can't sit still for 45 minutes a day every day . I meditate every morning and night .
Sometimes those are 30 seconds because I'm in and out and I'm like , I'm so resistant to it . I commit to sitting down . I don't commit to how long I'm going to be there , right , and it's difficult and it's like that David Goggins mentality that's been so pushed out in the culture .
I think what happens is we need to get a little bit more Buddhist with it , like , can we just be ? Actually , the word I have really enjoyed playing with lately is contemplation and one of my favorite books it's always one of my top five recommended books to anybody I start working with is the Art of Contemplation by Richard Rudd and even .
Richard Rudd himself , for those who don't know , wrote the Gene Keys , which is the absolute fascinating map of understanding self and how to relate to self . I use the gene keys to make a lot of decisions in my life , especially in business .
You know two of my shadow gene keys on my life's work and my life's purpose , so naturally those kind of fit into the business realm are impatience and greed and so so many of my decisions in business , I tune in first . Am I being impatient with this decision ? Am I being greedful in this decision ? Right ?
So Gene Key's powerful book dictates so much of my life and relationship and relating and even Richard Wood was like that book doesn't mean shit for what it's going to do to change your life , compared to the art of contemplation . And it's like are we able to just be with what is in a waking , relative relation to it ? I call it attunement , right ?
I think awareness is really overused . Awareness is very observational , it's very passive . I think what we need to do better , I need to do better . What I'm constantly working at doing better is being more attuned , and attuned is taking awareness and making it relational instead of observational . Attunement is taking awareness and making it interactive instead of passive .
Right , and from that frame we can we start to build an understanding and relationship with everything happening in our experience , including the present moment . And so for a lot of people that struggle with , struggle with meditation I do been meditating for six years .
I'm still shitty at it , which I think is actually the point I find contemplation to be a lot more powerful because it's permission to be interactive with what's happening in my mind , in my awareness , in my field , in my emotions , in my discomfort , in my body , because that's the whole point of what meditation is trying to make you do as well is be so hyper
attuned with what is present that you notice these things . So I love Goggins . I think he's entertaining you talk about entertainers . Sometimes we're is be so hyper attuned with what , what , what is present , that you notice these things . So I love goggins . I think he's entertaining you talk about entertainers . Sometimes we're just watching this movie unfold .
Holy shit , is he a ?
character and a badass too , man . I mean like dude , like credit or give credit where credit's due . Like the dude is an absolute savage bro .
Like story of running 36 miles when he had an abscess in his knee . He was actively pussing every time he took it . I'm like I could never . Yeah , thank god there's people out . You're out there like that . But , david , when was the last time you were able to just sit for 45 minutes ?
yeah , dude , when's the last time you got a hug ?
dude rhythm man like you know like you're saying we need . We need both . We need to find a way to to include both aspects of those dynamics in our life .
Dude , awesome . This has been amazing man . I literally we got bunk bed status already . I got to get you back on for round two , three , et cetera . Where can people find you ? Where can they connect with you and tune into your epic world , dude ? Because you got so many amazing things on the horizon .
You got so many things you do and you're such an amazing beer as well . You know amazing beer as well . You know you have a lot of just amazing wisdom , man , and you know you have really good energy , man . So I know a lot of people are going to grab this podcast and want to connect with you .
So where can I send them to find everything that is austin west ?
yeah , my website and my instagram handle easiest ways and they're both the same . I am austin west , so that's the handle and the website dope , dude .
and I ask a final , final question to all guests I have on the show you up for it ? I'm up for it . All right , dude , let's send it . So let's say someone listens to this episode and they're really excited to check out psychedelic medicines and see if they apply to their own life .
What is the one piece of advice you would suggest to them to allow them to use the proper discernment in figuring out whether these medicines are right for them right now in their life ?
Discernment , discerning if it's right for them in their life . Now . I think that there's not a right or wrong time . I think that psychedelics , when using intention , are always right . I think the intentionality and the readiness of confronting your truth is what you need to be discerning of .
It's always the right time if your intention and readiness for truth is available for you , and that's where the discernment comes in . If I am in a depressive place where I feel like life is collapsing around me , this is not the time to go on a psychedelic journey around me . This is not the time to go on a psychedelic journey , right .
But if I feel like I'm capable of handling more and opening up to aspects of myself that I know exist but I have not attuned to build that relationship with self yet , that's a beautiful time to do it . So the discernment of where you are in life timing's always there , man . There's always the right time for these things .
So it's a readiness of intention and readiness of truth , and then , if you can come to that term and open yourself up , these things will find you .
Dude , that may be my favorite answer I've ever gotten , very hermetically said man , and I really appreciate that dude Game , recognized game , bro , because that totally is it for me , like that is .
I've never thought of it that way and that is exactly how I would state it If I had to think about how I've ever thought about the concept of whether or not psychedelics are right . It's exactly what you said they're always right . It just depends on where you're at and what you're looking to like really open up right now .
You know it depends on where you're at . That will determine if you know . We could put the duality term of right or wrong on it , you know , because they're always right , they're always there , they're just stationary and they're always going to do something similar .
They're going to alter your consciousness , but what is the degree to which you're okay with that happening and not being attached to anything you think is you ? You , you know , and opening up to truth and not trying to grip too hard , cause that's when shit gets weird , right , let's just be real right , like when you white knuckle on psychedelics .
Yeah , not fun , so good . Well , man , thank you so much for coming on . Guys , go give Austin West a follow . This guy is absolutely epic . I've had so many people come on the show and I don't think I've ever had anyone that has done at least as much research into hermetics as he has .
You know , it's very challenging finding people that know about it , and so if you haven't checked it out , definitely check out hermetic loss , see if it resonates as much as it does with Austin and I . But go give Austin a follow . If you love the show , go give us a five star review , if you haven't already .
I'm looking at you and until next time may the source be with all of you to infinity and beyond . In the wise words of Buzz Lightyear Peace for now .